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[00:07] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #ukhas #arhab HelioSS 1 Launch Today 11:00BST from Chu Camb, RTTY on 434.650Mhz, select 'helioss' in dl-fldigi, info: http://bit.ly/bRLJZq [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/17369339020]
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[07:25] <jcoxon> morning
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[07:53] <rjharrison> morning
[07:54] <fsphil> morning all
[08:19] <rjharrison> morning fsphil
[08:19] <rjharrison> junderwood you about?
[08:20] <rjharrison> junderwood ascii-7 ?
[08:31] <jcoxon> ping jonsowman
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[08:51] <jcoxon> hmmm did natrium update the gfs data for the launch?
[09:01] <jcoxon> better do it anyway
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[09:09] <rjharrison> All set for 11 am launch
[09:10] Action: LazyLeopard must put antenna up...
[09:12] <jcoxon> okay i've add the gfs data
[09:18] <fsphil> that's for the live prediction?
[09:18] <jcoxon> yup
[09:22] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php
[09:22] <rjharrison> This is also working
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[09:27] <fsphil> just getting text atm? that expected?
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[09:31] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... dl-fldigi doesn't seem to register itself with the tracker unless it's in --hab mode.
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[09:32] <fsphil> are you sure it's online? default for non-hab is offline
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[09:49] <LazyLeopard> Yes, I put it online explicitly, but it still prints "would have..." diagnostic messages.
[09:50] <LazyLeopard> Ah. It's now reported itself to the listener page.
[09:50] <fsphil> see you now
[09:50] <fsphil> strange
[09:50] <LazyLeopard> Weird.
[09:54] <LazyLeopard> Ugh. Getting some strong digital signal on 434.650
[09:56] <fsphil> getting eerie silence, I think my radio has turned itself off
[09:57] <junderwood_> Launch may be a little late - say 11:30. Delayed getting to Cambridge
[09:57] <jcoxon> hey LazyLeopard and fsphil
[09:57] <LazyLeopard> Mine does that, too...
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[09:57] <rjharrison> Just a reminder if you are going to be tracking a weak signal it may help to turn the squelch off the receiver and dl-fldigi
[09:57] <junderwood_> morning eroomde, jcoxon
[09:58] <rjharrison> junderwood audio file tested and working
[09:58] <fsphil> speaking of that, jcoxon maybe we could turn squelch off by default?
[09:58] <eroomde> sqelch on radio = d'oh!
[09:58] <eroomde> hi junderwood_ 3g working then?
[09:59] <rjharrison> dl-fldigi shows as a problem by issing the first $ sign off the string or indeed occasionally both
[09:59] <junderwood_> eroomde, no. Had to use my phone by bluetooth. Dread to think what the bill is going to be
[10:00] <eroomde> the other one that gets people is that not all radios treat SSB the same way so you may have to 'Rv' (reverse) in fldigi if you think you're getting gobbledegook
[10:00] <eroomde> that's the equiv of swapping from usb to ssb (and retuning)
[10:01] <jcoxon> perhaps something to go at the end of how to track, "common problems"
[10:01] <eroomde> usb to lsb*
[10:01] <rjharrison> eroomde this is a good point there is also an option for usb lsb which does the same thing as Rv (reverse)
[10:02] <rjharrison> This is not avaiable on the --hab frontend
[10:02] <eroomde> i was about to say
[10:02] <eroomde> infact where is Rv on the hab front end?
[10:02] <rjharrison> Of course you can often set your radio to the other sideband
[10:02] <rjharrison> It's not there
[10:02] <eroomde> sure but that requires a retune as I just said
[10:03] <jcoxon> eroomde, its possibly been missed off...
[10:03] <eroomde> could do with being added next spin
[10:03] <LazyLeopard> I wonder what this stray interference is going to do... A series of lines about 80Hz apart, right beside 434.650
[10:03] <junderwood_> on the vanilla fldigi, it's configurable
[10:03] <rjharrison> eroomde Just changing the mode and a slight retune
[10:03] <eroomde> ?
[10:03] <rjharrison> LazyLeopard it's local
[10:04] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, I think so.
[10:04] <rjharrison> junderwood yep that has both USB/LSB options and Rv
[10:05] <junderwood_> but you can turn them on or off in the configuration settings
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[10:11] <jcoxon> hehe, i've converted the hourly predictor to do hourly float predictions
[10:11] <jcoxon> (on a local machine that is)
[10:11] <eroomde> fun
[10:12] <jcoxon> makes deciding when to launch a bit easier
[10:12] <eroomde> answer: soon
[10:12] <jcoxon> i'm not even sure what that answer is in relation to
[10:13] <eroomde> when to launch
[10:13] <rjharrison> This moring is 11:30 ish
[10:13] <rjharrison> Read 12
[10:13] <rjharrison> off to drs
[10:13] <eroomde> no i mean floating
[10:14] <eroomde> i know when today's launch is, i'm helping to launch it!
[10:14] <jcoxon> eroomde, have made good progress with BH5
[10:15] <eroomde> cool, it'll be exciting
[10:15] <eroomde> UK landing this time?
[10:15] <jcoxon> who knows
[10:15] <eroomde> although chasing to the back of beyond is a pita
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[10:16] <eroomde> may aswell get someone dutch to post it back
[10:16] <jcoxon> pah well call upon our network of friendly recovers
[10:16] <jcoxon> recoverers*
[10:18] <eroomde> am expecting HelioSS team imminently
[10:18] <eroomde> just me in the bar atm
[10:24] <eroomde> ok heading out to rig and launch
[10:24] <eroomde> should be up about 11 hopefully
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[10:25] <juxta|console> hey jcoxon
[10:25] <jcoxon> hey juxta
[10:25] <juxta|console> eroomde == edmoore? ;p
[10:25] <jcoxon> yup
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[10:27] <jcoxon> juxta|console, i borrowed your code to set the fsa03 to airbourne
[10:27] <jcoxon> is the receving confirmation really necessary?
[10:28] <juxta|console> jcoxon: as far as I can tell, no - I've never had a command fail
[10:28] <jcoxon> great :-)
[10:28] <juxta|console> but i figured I'd implement it just incase - I dont want to launch and lose lock above 10km
[10:28] <juxta|console> I'm planning on checking for an ACK and if I dont get one, send the message again
[10:29] <jcoxon> hmmm is there away to check what mode it is in?
[10:29] <juxta|console> yeah, you can poll the CFG-NAV5 option
[10:29] <juxta|console> it'll tell you (in UBX) then
[10:30] <jcoxon> i guess we could compare that
[10:30] <jcoxon> in raw ubx
[10:30] <juxta|console> yeah
[10:30] <jcoxon> if its not then send again
[10:30] <juxta|console> yeah
[10:31] <juxta|console> the ACK message is actually confirming the command was recieved and understood, not just a sucessful receipt, so I just used that
[10:33] <SDGlynn> JCU - am setup and waiting.
[10:33] <fsphil> what's the difference between the fsa03's airborne mode and normal? other than the 10km limit I mean, there must be another difference or it would just be airborne by default
[10:34] <jcoxon> i guess its to do with the maths
[10:34] <jcoxon> and little tricks to improve accuracy
[10:35] <fsphil> yea
[10:36] <fsphil> will have to play about with it when I finally get it wired up
[10:38] <juxta|console> what time is the launch today?
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[10:41] <fsphil> 11:30 / 12:00 last I heard
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[10:48] <jcoxon> ping LazyLeopard
[10:48] <jcoxon> for some reason you haven't appeared on the tracker
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[10:49] Action: russss needs more rig control
[10:49] <LazyLeopard> I'm M6LEP
[10:50] <juxta|console> fsphil: cheers
[10:50] <juxta|console> I'll still be awake then ;p
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[10:50] <jcoxon> bingo
[10:52] <jcoxon> found the issue
[10:59] <LazyLeopard> Uh huh?
[10:59] <jcoxon> we've shifted from localtime to UTC
[11:00] <jcoxon> should be there now
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[11:01] <fsphil> d'oh
[11:02] <jcoxon> okay refresh spacenear.us now
[11:03] <fsphil> would that have caused me to disappear from the tracker randomly during the last flight?
[11:05] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #ukhas #arhab HelioSS 1 Launch ~10.30UTC, Camb, RTTY - 434.650 helioss in dl-fldigi http://spacenear.us/tracker chat #highaltitude freenode [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/17403911362]
[11:05] <jcoxon> fsphil, quite possibly
[11:07] <fsphil> I was blaming my adsl
[11:08] <jcoxon> woohoo they've decided to strim the hedge outside
[11:09] <jcoxon> so kind of them
[11:11] <fsphil> noooo, rf sparkles!
[11:11] <jcoxon> anyone running the new dl-fldigi on windows?
[11:11] <LazyLeopard> Bet that's spewing some RF noise!
[11:11] <jcoxon> i've turned the radio off
[11:14] <rjharrison> anyone on the ground @ launch site
[11:14] <rjharrison> Just wondered if there had been an update
[11:17] <jcoxon> rjharrison, no update
[11:20] <juxta|console> jcoxon: I've run it under windows without issue
[11:21] <rjharrison> juxta cool
[11:21] <rjharrison> There was someone earlier in the week experiancing issues
[11:23] <juxta|console> rjharrison: seems to work well for me - only thing was I couldnt resize the window, not sure if it's intentional or not
[11:24] <rjharrison> There are some issues around that in windoze
[11:24] <rjharrison> jcoxon has fixed in apple version
[11:25] <jcoxon> yeah WB8ELK found that it crashed after a while
[11:26] <jcoxon> okay - thy
[11:26] <jcoxon> they are about to start inflating
[11:26] <jcoxon> so 20mins approx
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[11:28] <rjharrison> hehe Like I said read 12
[11:30] <fsphil> it's almost like you've done this before rjharrison :)
[11:31] <rjharrison> fsphil oh once or twice
[11:31] <rjharrison> I'm looking forward to getting a local launch site sorted
[11:33] <fsphil> yea it's quite a journey you do each time
[11:33] <SDGlynn> Update from launch site - are inflating, launch in 10-15min
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[11:34] <rjharrison> Humm no data coming in atm I guess they may have internet connetion issues
[11:38] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Helps to have radio running from mains power supply rather than battery...
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[11:41] <fsphil> hehe, I've got a feeling I didn't switch on the socket when I plugged the radio in this morning
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[11:43] <juxta|console> jcoxon: righto, I'll keep an eye out for it crashing
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[11:43] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: Trying to run things remotely?
[11:43] <jcoxon> juxta|console, yeah i fear it'll be a challenge to debug
[11:47] <SDGlynn> Launch in 2 min
[11:47] <rharrison_linux> cool
[11:47] <rharrison_linux> but not data is coming through
[11:48] <rharrison_linux> i guess no rx link to internet at launch site
[11:48] <LazyLeopard> Hope the transmitter's working!
[11:48] <fsphil> LazyLeopard, yep - at work
[11:49] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Not so easy to switch it back on, I guess?
[11:49] <rharrison_linux> Has the local ATC been contacted
[11:49] <rharrison_linux> Just a reminder for those at the launch site
[11:49] <fsphil> LazyLeopard, no so much :) I knew I should have build that robot
[11:50] <juxta|console> indeed, I suspect so too jcoxon - but I did find it crashed every now and again in the past too
[11:51] <fsphil> newbie question: what do we say to the ATC?
[11:51] <jcoxon> hi we are launching, is that okay?
[11:51] <jcoxon> yup, go ahead
[11:51] <jcoxon> or more often - huh? a balloon? what? oh well jsut go for it
[11:51] <fsphil> hehe
[11:51] <rharrison_linux> hehe
[11:52] <rharrison_linux> You need prior permisson too from the CAA in the form of a NOTAM
[11:52] <jcoxon> its up
[11:52] <jcoxon> ]200m
[11:52] <rharrison_linux> what
[11:52] <fsphil> I'm still waiting on the notam
[11:52] <rharrison_linux> not traking?
[11:52] <rharrison_linux> jcoxon: how did you know that
[11:52] <jcoxon> phone
[11:53] <rharrison_linux> lol
[11:53] <juxta|console> doesnt anybody run tracking at the launch site?
[11:53] <LazyLeopard> seeing but not yet decoding signals...
[11:53] <DanielRichman> normally yes
[11:53] <rharrison_linux> 650 or 075?
[11:53] <LazyLeopard> 434.650
[11:54] <rharrison_linux> tx
[11:54] <fsphil> the email mentioned they where trying to compensate for the frequency drift -- anyone know how?
[11:54] <rharrison_linux> insulation or v change is the only way
[11:54] <rharrison_linux> voltage
[11:56] <fsphil> anyone hear the signal yet?
[11:56] <juxta|console> fsphil: they're using PWM to generate the tones, and monitoring the temp of the NTX2 module
[11:57] <juxta|console> so adjusting the voltage based on the temperature
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[11:58] <LazyLeopard> Signal's a bit spotty
[11:58] <fsphil> 68m?
[11:58] <LazyLeopard> Got one fix up, though
[11:59] <fsphil> uh-oh, looks like no gps lock?
[12:00] <rharrison_linux> not since 10:33
[12:00] <jcoxon> i'm really struggling with signal
[12:00] <LazyLeopard> Could be. I think it's spinning.
[12:04] <jcoxon> i'm getting bits of strings
[12:05] <LazyLeopard> I'm getting a half-way reasonable docode on about one in five...
[12:05] <jcoxon> oh dear
[12:07] <LazyLeopard> I'd guess from the signal that it may be spinning...
[12:08] <jcoxon> yeah
[12:08] <jcoxon> just spoke to ed - they know about hte issue and are going to have to DF it
[12:08] <jcoxon> so i think it'll be worth gathering as much data as possible
[12:08] <juxta|console> oh that's annoying
[12:09] <juxta|console> is there only the one telemtry system onboard?
[12:09] <jcoxon> i think so
[12:11] <LazyLeopard> Oh, bad luck. :(
[12:11] <rharrison_linux> DF? Fox Hunt
[12:12] <jcoxon> direction find
[12:12] <jcoxon> yeah
[12:12] <LazyLeopard> What's the cloud like over there?
[12:12] <rharrison_linux> Did they know b4 launch
[12:12] <jcoxon> don't think so
[12:13] <jcoxon> i'm thinking a telemetry issue rather then gps
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[12:13] <jcoxon> as apart from the count nothing else is changing
[12:15] <LazyLeopard> Frequency is drifting up slowly but still rather spotty
[12:16] <LazyLeopard> ...and fadingat times too.
[12:18] <griffonbot> @batteryforce: RT @apex_ii: Battery/power sponsorship confirmed from @batteryforce, many thanks to them! #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/batteryforce/status/17406996238]
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[12:20] <LazyLeopard> Anyone else receiving?
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[12:20] <jcoxon> i'm really struggling
[12:21] <DanielRichman> I have the radio out but won't bother trying until atleast jcoxon can get a signal :)
[12:21] <jcoxon> i think my antenna might be bust though
[12:21] <jcoxon> :-p
[12:22] <LazyLeopard> Getting about one green line in thirty!
[12:22] <SDGlynn> From launch site - they believe the GPS is a dud - thus will need some help with directions if anyone can get it
[12:24] <LazyLeopard> Signal fading here...
[12:25] <rjharrison> What type of GPS was being used?
[12:25] <rjharrison> Is there a link to the HelioSS ayload
[12:25] <rjharrison> s//p/
[12:25] <juxta|console> rjharrison: fsa03
[12:25] <rjharrison> cheers
[12:25] <LazyLeopard> There's some detail on http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:helioss
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[12:29] <jcoxon> yup my antenna is broken
[12:29] <rjharrison> Hey I'd like to see a picture of that payload. It sound very interesting. I hypothisise that the shrimps are frozen and dead on their return.
[12:29] <juxta|console> haha, sounds probable
[12:30] <juxta|console> rjharrison: those are tiny though
[12:30] <juxta|console> like 1-2mm - so probably the water they are in will boil off if it's kept warm
[12:31] <rjharrison> hehe
[12:31] <fsphil> urg, I'm using the same gps module
[12:31] <rjharrison> I don't think the shrimps are suitable for eating :) I hused to have some in one of the kids toys
[12:32] <rjharrison> fsphil most likely RFI
[12:32] <rjharrison> on the GPS freqs.
[12:32] <fsphil> at that altitude?
[12:32] <rjharrison> No possibly from the cameras
[12:32] <juxta|console> yeah, seak monkeys
[12:32] <juxta|console> sea*
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[12:32] <rjharrison> juxta yep
[12:33] <rjharrison> hehe do they have the turban's on :
[12:33] <juxta|console> we had some at the office but they all died due to neglect :(
[12:33] <rjharrison> )
[12:33] <fsphil> heh, I'm using the same camera :-p .. well, one of them
[12:34] <rjharrison> Just run some tests in the live payload. Looks to me that independent testing was fine and I'm going to guess that the payload was put together today
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[12:35] Action: Randomskk is up
[12:35] <rjharrison> This would suggest possible interferrence from payload contents
[12:35] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, have a go at seeing if you can pick it up
[12:35] <Randomskk> worth busting out the radio and yagi?
[12:35] <rjharrison> morning Randomskk
[12:35] <rjharrison> Randomskk no
[12:35] <Randomskk> inside m25, sw of london
[12:35] <jcoxon> rjharrison, oh i thnk it is worth it
[12:35] <jcoxon> they need all the help they can get
[12:35] <rjharrison> Well perhaps to help with direction
[12:35] <Randomskk> do we still have the df code on the tracker?
[12:36] <rjharrison> hehe Good question
[12:36] <rjharrison> anyone got a freq?
[12:36] <Randomskk> it looks like a really nice project
[12:36] <rjharrison> a decoding one?
[12:37] <rjharrison> Randomskk yep
[12:37] <Randomskk> some interesting payloads, the sexy new fsa03, a 12 bit a/d
[12:37] <Randomskk> all running off an arm
[12:37] <rjharrison> I would loved to have seen the payload
[12:37] <LazyLeopard> Signal's very variable so DF is not going to be that easy...
[12:37] <jcoxon> 434.650
[12:37] <jcoxon> but flight path is good
[12:37] <rjharrison> Oh smack on the nose
[12:37] <Randomskk> spin usually stabalises as it gains altitude
[12:38] <fsphil> I suppose there's a chance it could lock if it stops spinning
[12:38] <jcoxon> oh when it bursts
[12:38] <jcoxon> give it a kick
[12:38] <Randomskk> at the least, signal might improve
[12:38] <Randomskk> do they have any idea why it's doing this?
[12:39] Action: LazyLeopard wonders whether the payload's under-powered?
[12:40] <LazyLeopard> Signal's varying a lot, but without the slight frequency sweeps spinning usually produces...
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[12:40] <jcoxon> strimmer is back
[12:40] <jcoxon> grrrrr
[12:40] <Futurity> hi
[12:40] <jcoxon> hey Futurity
[12:41] <Futurity> hi jcoxon
[12:41] <jcoxon> balloon in the air - they'd appreciate some signal reports if you are near your radio
[12:41] <Futurity> ballo on way up or on way down?
[12:41] <juxta|console> what are the fields in the telemetry jcoxon?
[12:41] <jcoxon> juxta|console, not sure
[12:41] <Futurity> do you have the tracker url handy
[12:41] <juxta|console> damn.
[12:42] <juxta|console> http://spacenear.us/tracker
[12:42] <rjharrison> 7. Satellites
[12:42] <rjharrison> > 8. GPS fix status
[12:42] <rjharrison> > 9. Radio temperature
[12:42] <rjharrison> > 10. Blue temperature
[12:42] <rjharrison> > 11. Sliver temperature
[12:42] <rjharrison> > 12. Red temperature
[12:42] <rjharrison> > 13. Black temperature
[12:42] <jcoxon> Futurity, of there is an issue to no data
[12:42] <juxta|console> cool, cheers Rob
[12:42] <Futurity> i see so you want signal and direction?
[12:43] <jcoxon> do you have a yagi?
[12:43] <Futurity> yep 12 element thing
[12:43] <Futurity> you know the rocket launch day
[12:44] <Futurity> i was able to track it down bellow 300m from the launch site
[12:44] <Futurity> when is expected burst time?
[12:44] <Futurity> just need to know it i can have a quick shower first as just got back from 20mile bike ride
[12:46] <Randomskk> 52.221, 0.446281, 32818 m at 12:22 UTC
[12:46] <Randomskk> (burst)
[12:46] <rjharrison> 1:22 BST
[12:46] <Randomskk> indeed
[12:46] <Futurity> ok so 30+ minutes to go
[12:46] <Futurity> i best get setup now then
[12:46] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, yeah I got a signal, have been trying to decode for 20mins now but not strong enough to get a full string
[12:46] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, same story here.
[12:47] <Futurity> ok my yagi may be good enough
[12:47] <Futurity> got a very strong signal from it last time
[12:47] <Futurity> which rough direction is it right now
[12:47] <Futurity> i.e. guestimate of rough location?
[12:47] <jcoxon> east
[12:47] <jcoxon> towards bury st edmunds
[12:48] <Futurity> ok i should be able to get that out of my bedroom window
[12:48] <Futurity> off into the loft to get the yagi
[12:49] <DanielRichman> so is there no news on what caused this? the whole string is frozen, not just the gps. I suppose if they find it they can examine it a bit closer
[12:50] <DanielRichman> bbl going to try receiving again
[12:52] <LazyLeopard> 434.652
[12:54] <juxta|console> DanielRichman: message ID is still incrementing
[12:54] <juxta|console> maybe a coding bug?
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[12:57] <Futurity> ok rig powered up
[12:58] <Futurity> usb?
[12:58] <LazyLeopard> 434.652 USB
[12:58] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #ukhas #arhab HelioSS in the air, GPS issues - signal/bearings would be very helpful (RTTY 434.650Mhz) currently nr Bury St Edmunds #hamr [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/17408854258]
[12:59] <DanielRichman> juxta|console, my thoughts exactly, though it would be too early to call it
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[13:01] <Futurity> got it
[13:01] <DanielRichman> also: i received a string (!)
[13:01] <Futurity> but its faint
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[13:02] <G3VZV_Graham> Hi All, I have just got back to my station - did the launch take palce as expected or??
[13:03] <juxta|console> G3VZV_Graham: telemetry issues, may have to be foxhunted
[13:03] <DanielRichman> however it is in the air and you can pick up a signal
[13:03] <Futurity> ok firly clear now
[13:03] <DanielRichman> though there are issues with the gps data
[13:03] <Futurity> need to find my other laptop
[13:07] <Futurity> booting up and then will decode
[13:07] <Futurity> will the software from the rocket day lauch still be ok?
[13:07] <jcoxon> yes
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[13:13] <Futurity> got data
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[13:14] <Futurity> hmm perhaps not
[13:16] <Futurity> ok i am getting data now
[13:17] <jcoxon> hey guys
[13:17] <jcoxon> i think the key now would be to listen for burst
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[13:19] <LazyLeopard> It's started to wobble...
[13:19] <Futurity> my reception seems to come and go
[13:19] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, signal is not steady.
[13:20] <Futurity> i don't think i'm getting full sets of data, but seeing, 052.21375,0000.10001
[13:20] <Futurity> i take it everyone else getting these co-ords?
[13:20] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, onlythe record number and checksum have been changing.
[13:21] <Randomskk> not having much luck picking anything up from here, position is pretty terrible
[13:22] <G3VZV_Graham> agreed re the data but my fdigi doesnt have the helios config included
[13:28] <Futurity> does it matter that the red lines aren't in the middle of the yellow data bands?
[13:28] <Futurity> either side
[13:28] <LazyLeopard> It's 434.650MHz RTTY 7n2, 50 baud, 425 shift
[13:29] <Futurity> how do i change the config? sorry only used this one
[13:29] <Futurity> once
[13:29] <juxta|console> Futurity: old version, or new version?
[13:29] <Futurity> windows 3.11.4
[13:30] <juxta|console> i read that as as windows 3.11 (the OS)
[13:30] <juxta|console> but either way actually you should be able to go op mode -> rtty -> custom
[13:31] <juxta|console> some pics here (for the old version):
[13:31] <juxta|console> http://projecthorus.org/?page_id=336
[13:31] <Futurity> can't see mode on the menus
[13:31] <Futurity> :(
[13:32] <juxta|console> 'op mode'
[13:34] <Futurity> ok was on only 1 stop bit
[13:36] <rjharrison> should be descending now I would have thought
[13:36] <rjharrison> I have lost the signal here in Yorkshire
[13:38] <juxta|console> any word from the chase team?
[13:39] <Futurity> still getting data here, but its flacky
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[13:41] <SDGlynn> chase team are near new market - tracking at 434.652
[13:42] <rjharrison> SDGlynn Any indication as to whether the balloon is on it's way down?
[13:42] <rjharrison> Fingers x'ed that the system wakes up on impact
[13:43] <rjharrison> I had that fortunate occurance last Friday
[13:43] <Futurity> getting better signal now
[13:43] <SDGlynn> predicted 35k burst point at 14:33, landing at 15:05
[13:43] <SDGlynn> If all goes to plan - and the start surely is not to plan
[13:44] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... so probably still going up...
[13:44] <SDGlynn> if running to plan....
[13:45] <LazyLeopard> Havn't seen the kind of change in signal usually associated with a burst, but this flight's signal hasn't been typical either...
[13:47] <SDGlynn> The chase have no internet - so looking for any feedback on anyone seeing the type of signal normally associated with a burst
[13:47] <LazyLeopard> Frequency seems to be drifting very slowly down though.
[13:50] <rjharrison> Frequency changes indicate return. It should really shift normally but there is some kind of buffer set up on this launch to reduce drift
[13:51] <Futurity> although the 52.??? isn't changes the value after it is
[13:51] <Futurity> ooops no its not datacorruption
[13:53] <G3VZV_Graham> is any of the data viable?
[13:54] <fsphil> is the source code available?
[13:56] <juxta|console> I dont think at this stage fsphil
[13:56] <LazyLeopard> Reception's gone to pot. Signal seems strong enough, but decoding's total fail all of a sudden...
[13:58] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Cured by restarting dl-fldigi
[13:59] <LazyLeopard> ...so some weird software bug.
[13:59] <Futurity> getting clear signal here, but is any of the data useful?
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[14:02] <fsphil> Futurity, doesn't look like it - not yet anyway
[14:02] <Futurity> ok
[14:02] <LazyLeopard> If dl-fldigi reported actual frequencies I guess that might help. At present the data's rather predictable, so I guess it's not much use. There's always the hope that it'll suddenly spring to life, though...
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[14:03] <fsphil> yea, it could do a BH4
[14:05] Action: LazyLeopard makes a mental note to find and disable that auto-power-off option, as I'm sure it didn't help...
[14:06] <Randomskk> LazyLeopard: fldigi will report actual frequencies if you have rig control enabled
[14:08] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, but the version I have isn't uploading to the tracker unless I run it in --hab mode.
[14:08] <jcoxon> in non --hab mode just tick the online button in the dl-client menu
[14:10] <LazyLeopard> The one in the drop-down or the one in the pop-up? (I activated the two appropriate ones in the pop-up but it didn't upload.)
[14:10] <jcoxon> in the main menu bar
[14:10] <russss> I need to get me a rig control cable
[14:10] <jcoxon> drop down i guess
[14:10] <russss> and also make my built-in sound card work
[14:11] <LazyLeopard> I'll try that next time.
[14:12] <Futurity> i'm getting a very reliable signal now
[14:12] <Futurity> is there anyway to tell if my data is being uploaded?
[14:12] <jcoxon> Futurity, it doesn't look like it is
[14:13] <Futurity> oh dear
[14:13] <jcoxon> did you follow the guide on how to setup dl-fldigi?
[14:13] <Futurity> i think Steve set it up for me, or perhaps even Rob did
[14:13] <Futurity> do i need to select a flight before it'll upload?
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[14:14] <juxta|console> woo, there's a cheap FT-90R going here
[14:15] <Futurity> perhaps i started fldigi before i had an internet connection
[14:15] <juxta|console> Futurity: that shoudlnt matter, generally it'll recover OK
[14:15] <juxta|console> when we use it in the chase cars it handles losing the net many times
[14:16] <jcoxon> Futurity, yeah
[14:16] <jcoxon> you do need to select a payload first
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[14:16] <Futurity> i don't see the pyload selection in the setup instructions
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[14:17] <Futurity> after skimming through them
[14:17] <Futurity> looks like my client is slightly different
[14:17] <jcoxon> follow this: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide#computer
[14:18] <LazyLeopard> Looks like you need to set it online via the button in the drop-down and then go to the appropriate configuration option and select the extract option as well???
[14:18] <Futurity> got the DL Client window
[14:18] <Futurity> but HelioSS not listed
[14:19] <Futurity> i take it that it should be listed in the Flight XML drop down?
[14:19] <jcoxon> haha
[14:19] <jcoxon> restart fldigi
[14:19] <jcoxon> not your fault
[14:19] <Futurity> ok restarting it
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[14:21] <Futurity> ok Helioss selected in DL client now :)
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[14:22] <Futurity> i don't seel any check box to send data though
[14:22] <jcoxon> its working
[14:22] <jcoxon> i can see your data
[14:22] <jcoxon> Futurity, is your callsign M6FTY?
[14:22] <Futurity> yep that my call sign?
[14:23] <Futurity> sorry ? not required ;)
[14:23] <jcoxon> didn't realise you had do your foundation licence
[14:23] <Futurity> cool it's working
[14:23] <Futurity> well foundation is barely a licence ;)
[14:23] <jcoxon> hehe
[14:24] <Futurity> more a case of tuen up and tick boxes
[14:24] <Futurity> but its good to have the licence to transmit
[14:24] <Futurity> i'm getting a very god signal now
[14:25] <Futurity> is it drifting sounth back down towards Melbourn / Royston?
[14:25] <jcoxon> could well be
[14:25] <jcoxon> well at least towards cambrdige
[14:25] <juxta|console> Melbourne hey
[14:25] <Futurity> not lost a single character in the last 10 rows
[14:25] <Futurity> Melbourn ;)
[14:25] <Futurity> no e
[14:25] <juxta|console> hehe
[14:25] <Futurity> ;)
[14:25] <juxta|console> that's a shame, there's on with an e close by to me
[14:26] <Futurity> perhaps the e fell off the end of this one
[14:26] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, signal's been steady for a short while now...
[14:26] <Futurity> same here
[14:26] <jcoxon> probably near the top
[14:27] <Futurity> no data change but a good strong signal
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[14:28] <G3VZV_Graham> yes less fluttering on the signal here
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[14:33] <jcoxon> burst?
[14:34] <Futurity> jcoxon: how would we tell?
[14:34] <jcoxon> the signal won't be stable
[14:34] <Futurity> the data seems to be the same apart from the id
[14:34] <jcoxon> wobbly
[14:34] <Futurity> signal still seems fine here
[14:34] <LazyLeopard> No, it's dead straight at the moment...
[14:34] <Futurity> well at least the data seems ok
[14:35] <Futurity> may i ask what the payload is this time? Photo, video, experiment?
[14:37] <juxta|console> Futurity: http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:helioss
[14:37] <Futurity> thanks
[14:39] <Futurity> cool payload
[14:40] <jcoxon> visual contact with the balloon
[14:40] <jcoxon> it still up though will burst very very soon
[14:40] <rjharrison> what can they see it?
[14:41] <LazyLeopard> Wow! What'd you spot it through?
[14:41] <jcoxon> yeah they apparently can see it
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[14:41] <jcoxon> but its about to go into cloud
[14:41] <rjharrison> Humm that seems amazing given they do not even know where it is to look for it
[14:41] <jcoxon> well we have the predictor
[14:42] <rjharrison> yeah!
[14:42] <LazyLeopard> ...and they're doing radio DF?
[14:42] <rjharrison> umm..
[14:44] <rjharrison> They need a medal for spotting that
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[14:47] <rjharrison> USB or LSB
[14:48] <SDGlynn> usb
[14:48] <rjharrison> Can here in yorkshire just can't decode
[14:48] <rjharrison> hear
[14:48] <rjharrison> There seems to be some drift now so on the way down me thinks
[14:49] <juxta|console> wow, that's a fair effort to spot from 30km below
[14:49] <rjharrison> Yep with out the tracker though Futurity has seen burst b4
[14:50] <fsphil> wasn't that tracked visually from launch though?
[14:50] <LazyLeopard> It's been drifting slowly down in frequency for a while, but it's still loud and steady here...
[14:51] <rjharrison> Lack of punctuation above. Futurity saw burst from launch.
[14:52] <fsphil> if they can spot the balloon, they should definitely be able to spot a parachute
[14:52] <rjharrison> Any one have a pic of the payload or know it's weight?
[14:53] <jcoxon> 800g
[14:53] <Futurity> yes its drifted here as well
[14:53] <jcoxon> apparently
[14:53] <Futurity> but still a vvery good signal with data
[14:53] <jcoxon> fsphil, well the balloon is pretty large at the top
[14:53] <Futurity> no errors
[14:53] <fsphil> it's big, but it's white - not the easiest colour to pick out at distance
[14:54] <jcoxon> parachute is proportionally a lot smaller
[14:54] <SDGlynn> just burst 14:54
[14:54] <fsphil> rjharrison, quicky - I see you're using an ft-897D. other than power output, is there any major differences from the ft-817nd?
[14:54] <Futurity> yes visually tracked from launch on a clear sky day
[14:55] <russss> would be fun to track with a telescope on an az/el mount
[14:55] <Futurity> ok just started to get errors in the data reception
[14:55] <Futurity> has been perfect for ages
[14:55] <jcoxon> ed wants to know if there is any wobble on the signal
[14:55] <Futurity> not a bit scrambled
[14:55] <griffonbot> @BASE_DePauw: Launch #GPSL #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/BASE_DePauw/status/17415690773]
[14:56] <Futurity> *now
[14:56] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, signal suddenly got jittery just before SDGlynn said "just burst"
[14:56] <Futurity> lol, signal back to perfect again, false alarm
[14:56] <SDGlynn> ballloon no longer visable
[14:57] <LazyLeopard> Frequency now rising quite noticably
[14:58] <Futurity> same here yellow lines moving to the right
[14:59] <G3VZV_Graham> solid signal now here no QSB and rising in freqeuncy as reported by everyone
[14:59] <Futurity> still rising
[14:59] <Futurity> perfect signal still through
[15:01] <Futurity> btw is it definitely 2 stop bits? 7n2? the software setup instructions say 7n1 but i guess its payload specific?
[15:03] <Futurity> data errors occuring this end
[15:03] <fsphil> it's payload specific, but it doesn't actually matter to fldigi
[15:06] <rjharrison> fsphil no difference really a lot larger but similar sensitivity on rx
[15:06] <LazyLeopard> Frequency now steady, or maybe falling very slowly
[15:06] <fsphil> thanks rjharrison - need a second radio, just deciding. looking like another 817 atm
[15:06] <rjharrison> natrium is conning in
[15:07] <rjharrison> The 897 is a great base rig
[15:07] <rjharrison> If you want another HAB rig then the 817 is the right choice
[15:07] <Futurity> data gone very bad here now
[15:08] <Futurity> frequency dropping as well
[15:08] <LazyLeopard> Shift has decreased slightly
[15:09] <rjharrison> Right everyone say a little prayer to the HAB god (! jcoxon) and lets hope the tracker recovers on the waydown
[15:14] <fsphil> our payload, who art in heaven .. and falling.hallowed by thy landing.
[15:14] <rjharrison> Perhaps the bump at the end will knock some sense into it
[15:15] <Futurity> right guys i nedd to disappear to collect kids from school
[15:15] <Futurity> lost the data feed here
[15:15] <Futurity> i hear the signal but get no data
[15:16] <Futurity> fingers cross they find the payload
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[15:19] <rjharrison> anyone getting a clear signal>
[15:19] <rjharrison> ?
[15:19] <LazyLeopard> Not too bad here
[15:19] <rjharrison> Cool
[15:20] <LazyLeopard> Getting fainter though.
[15:20] <rjharrison> This reminds me of the importance of full system tests. It's easy to get a bit blase after so many successfull launches
[15:20] <LazyLeopard> ...and pre-launch checks ;)
[15:20] <fsphil> yea, some kind of gsm module is now on my should-do list
[15:21] <rjharrison> fsphil the GPS's are very good and won't fail if suitably tested
[15:21] <rjharrison> GSM is a good backup
[15:21] <rjharrison> But it adds time and weight to the payload
[15:22] <LazyLeopard> Fading but still readable
[15:22] <rjharrison> jcoxon is strong supporter of GSM tech. and he's had a few flights saved using this
[15:24] <LazyLeopard> Fading, with errors now...
[15:25] <LazyLeopard> Almost gone
[15:25] <LazyLeopard> Silent
[15:25] <G3VZV_Graham> yes now gone in MK 1525
[15:26] <LazyLeopard> Should be on the ground fairly soon
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[15:37] <griffonbot> @BASE_DePauw: 32 KFT #GPSL #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/BASE_DePauw/status/17418508969]
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[15:58] <griffonbot> @BASE_DePauw: 49 KFT #GPSL #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/BASE_DePauw/status/17419961200]
[16:00] <fsphil> any problems powering ft-817nd with ye standard car socket cable? yaesu have the E-DC-5B but it costs £22
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[16:16] <fsphil> n/m, cheap on ebay :)
[16:17] <fsphil> any updates from the chase team?
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[16:18] <juxta> hi all
[16:18] <jcoxon> haven't heard anything fsphil
[16:21] <griffonbot> @BASE_DePauw: 65 KFT #GPSL #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/BASE_DePauw/status/17421519480]
[16:21] <rjharrison> fsphil ft817 is fin powered by car socket due to its limited 5W tx
[16:22] <fsphil> thanks jcoxon
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[16:25] <rjharrison> any news have they heard signal on the ground yet?
[16:26] <fsphil> rjharrison, I'll not be doing too much tx'ing anyway
[16:26] <fsphil> I still get nervous when transmitting :)
[16:26] <rjharrison> fsphil I have the cable and you could make one quite easily I'm not sure if there are any filteres in the line. I thought the 22 quid was well spent though.
[16:27] <rjharrison> fsphil, that goes after a while
[16:28] <fsphil> They mention filters, I assume to filter out engine noise. Aye, I'll probably get it. on back order atm though
[16:28] <rjharrison> I think it helps stop signals gettting into the car elecs too
[16:31] <fsphil> I hadn't thought of that, good point
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[16:37] <griffonbot> @BASE_DePauw: 78 KFT #GPSL #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/BASE_DePauw/status/17422615430]
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[16:42] <rjharrison> griffonbot seems to have an affection for @BASE
[16:43] <rjharrison> Now at 78 KFT
[16:46] <griffonbot> @BASE_DePauw: Burst #GPSL #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/BASE_DePauw/status/17423262433]
[16:46] <fsphil> there another flight going on?
[16:47] <russss> apparently so
[16:47] <russss> http://www.depauw.edu/acad/physics/base/
[16:47] <fsphil> BASE_DePauw
[16:47] <fsphil> oops
[16:48] <fsphil> forgot copy + paste doesn't work well in vnc
[16:48] <russss> http://aprs.fi/?call=kb9znz-6
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[16:51] <jcoxon> hey all
[16:51] <fsphil> wb
[16:51] <jcoxon> what are people thoughts on insulating gps antennas
[16:51] <jcoxon> i've got (now infamous) fsa03
[16:52] <jcoxon> i assume there is a gap between the plastic and the antenna so you don't need to worry about stuff touching the antenna casing and desensiting it
[16:53] <griffonbot> @BASE_DePauw: 49 kft down #GPSL #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/BASE_DePauw/status/17423693447]
[16:53] <fsphil> would a GPS receiver work inside the payload box?
[16:53] <jcoxon> should do
[16:54] <jcoxon> well make sure you don't spaceblanket it!
[16:54] <fsphil> haha
[16:54] <fsphil> I'm debating making some kind of resistor heater for the ntx2, could do the same with the fsa03
[16:54] <fsphil> but might eat up too much power
[16:55] <jcoxon> i'm just running a simple test to see how toasty a fsa03 gets when insulated with some foam
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[16:56] <fsphil> does the battery terminal need to be connected to anything for the fsa03 to work?
[16:58] <jcoxon> fsphil, mine isn't
[17:01] <fsphil> good good
[17:01] <fsphil> I can't believe how small it is
[17:02] <jcoxon> oh just spoke to edmoore - they are giving up the search
[17:02] <fsphil> aw man
[17:02] <jcoxon> haven't heard a signal for quite a while
[17:02] <Randomskk> D:
[17:02] <Randomskk> aww
[17:02] <Randomskk> it looked like such an awesome payload though
[17:02] <Randomskk> hopefully relaunch with better tracking some time
[17:02] <Randomskk> always a chance someone else will find it and phone it in I guess
[17:03] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:03] <jcoxon> suffolk is a good place to land
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[17:24] <griffonbot> @BASE_DePauw: Visual at 5 kft #GPSL #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/BASE_DePauw/status/17425809946]
[17:26] <LazyLeopard> Ho hum. Where were they searching?
[17:31] <rjharrison> Bit of a bugger about the payload
[17:34] <russss> needs more backup beacon
[17:35] <griffonbot> @BASE_DePauw: Landed in field #GPSL #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/BASE_DePauw/status/17426482861]
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[17:47] <fsphil> eeee .. just got home, package arrived with neighbour. their kid decided to take a knife to the box, open it up. guess what was inside? the balloons 8-|
[17:48] <Randomskk> :|
[17:48] <Randomskk> balloon status?
[17:48] <fsphil> they look ok
[17:48] <griffonbot> @BASE_DePauw: recovered #GPSL #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/BASE_DePauw/status/17427360880]
[17:48] <fsphil> they come in plastic bags, one has a few scratches on it
[17:49] <fsphil> but the balloon itself looks unharmed
[17:49] <fsphil> but I won't know until I inflate it
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[18:31] <Futurity> hi, Was the payload recovered in the end?
[18:31] <Randomskk> search abandoned last I heard
[18:32] <earthshine> Did the balloon not have a GSM backup?
[18:32] <Randomskk> nope
[18:32] <earthshine> Oh dear
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[18:48] <timbobel> guys what happened today
[18:48] <timbobel> i didnt have mIRC, but i checked the tracker every half an hour.. nothing! where the helioSS at?!
[18:50] <LazyLeopard> Downlink worked, but GPS didn't. Last I heard the payload was lost somewhere East of Cambridge...
[18:51] <timbobel> dahh sucky
[18:51] <LazyLeopard> Indeed.
[18:52] <LazyLeopard> What's the best guess on the failure? The GPSr failed to lock? Or what?
[18:53] <fsphil> even the temperatures where not being updated, so the gps may well have been fine
[18:53] <fsphil> could have just been a simple coding error
[18:55] <Futurity> sounds like a coding error
[18:55] <LazyLeopard> Yeah... If the same software had been driving a GSM back-up then that'd have given a dud final position too.
[18:55] <Futurity> big shame
[18:55] <Futurity> address details on the payload? If so hopefully it'll be found
[18:56] <LazyLeopard> Hopefully...
[18:56] <Futurity> unfortunately i couldn't get an exact bearing on the signal
[18:58] <fsphil> oh yea, I did forget to switch on the plug for the radio. when I left it this morning it was running on battery. d'oh!
[18:58] <timbobel> ..?
[18:58] <fsphil> timbobel, I was going to track todays launch remotely from work
[18:59] <fsphil> I can remote control the radio
[18:59] <Futurity> fingers crossed its found
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[19:00] <LazyLeopard> I couldn't do any DF at all, as to do so I'd need battery power, and I ran the battery flat while setting things up earlier... Maybe time to get a rotator to stick on my portable mount. That'd allow some level of DF even from base location.
[19:01] <fsphil> DF doesn't work so well when the balloon is close by, my yagi worked equally well over about 50 degrees when I was tracking my own payload
[19:03] <LazyLeopard> Trick with DF is to find the null direction.
[19:03] <fsphil> find the direction of weakest signal?
[19:05] <LazyLeopard> Yep. It's often rather narrower and easier to find than the peak direction.
[19:05] <LazyLeopard> Therefore more accurate.
[19:06] <LazyLeopard> ...unless you're at extreme range and have an excessively long yagi ;)
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[19:15] <timbobel> fsphil: i get it. not too smart =)
[19:16] <timbobel> Lazy: are you getting 'a' signal>
[19:22] <LazyLeopard> HelioSS's signal fell silent here at 15:25 BST
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[19:48] <timbobel> thats late though
[19:48] <timbobel> ping fsphil
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[20:13] <rjharrison> ping junderwood
[20:25] <junderwood> pong rjharrison
[20:26] <Upu> Evening
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[20:27] <Upu> anyone used the DS1821 thermostat ?
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[20:29] <rjharrison> Hey junderwood
[20:32] <rjharrison> Upu yes I do
[20:33] <Upu> Evening Robert
[20:33] <Upu> PB1 on the Mega8 you used, what port is that ? Analogue ?
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[20:37] <Upu> ignore me
[20:37] <fsphil> ok
[20:37] <fsphil> ack
[20:37] <fsphil> :-p
[20:37] <Upu> :)
[20:38] Action: fsphil is just back from a driving lesson
[20:38] <fsphil> figured if I was launching balloons, better learn to drive :)
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[20:48] <junderwood> hey rjharrison
[20:51] <fsphil> woo-hoo! found my weird avr bug I think -- buffer overflow
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[21:15] <rjharrison> http://infinity2010.weebly.com/2-infinity-2010-photos.html
[21:15] <rjharrison> Sorry in and out this evening
[21:16] <rjharrison> This is the boston spa school launch
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[21:39] <junderwood> LazyLeopard, fsphil, DF worked pretty well for us today during the flight. When it popped out from behind a cloud the yagi was pointing almost directly at it
[21:39] <Randomskk> shame you couldn't recover
[21:40] <Randomskk> going to go look again or just leaving it for now and hoping someone phones it in?
[21:40] <Randomskk> sounded like some really good experiemnts
[21:40] <junderwood> got a good bearing from one spot but needed a cross fix
[21:40] <junderwood> batteries will be flat by now and I don't fancy our chances of finding something that small in a place as bif as Stowmarket
[21:40] <LazyLeopard> What sized yagi?
[21:40] <junderwood> *big
[21:41] <Randomskk> you need a flyover with some high res cameras :P
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[21:42] <junderwood_> then El sweeps
[21:44] <LazyLeopard> junderwood: What sized yagi were you using? I guess there's a case for having two chase cars which could then take different routes to the landing zone?
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[21:50] <junderwood_> LazyLeopard, indeed. We had two cars but unfortuately they were both positioned a little too far to the west. (and the roads in that part of the country aren't up to much!)
[21:50] <junderwood_> 9 element Yagi
[21:55] <LazyLeopard> Any ideas yet why the downlink didn't send good fixes?
[22:05] <junderwood_> Not yet. Unconvinced the GPS was at fault.
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[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> good evening!
[22:08] <junderwood_> LazyLeopard, rjharrison and anyone else who tracked today. Did the frequency seem more stable than previous NTX-2 launches?
[22:08] <LazyLeopard> Yes. Also the shift.
[22:09] <LazyLeopard> It did drift a bit, but not fast. The fastest drift was during (presumed) descent.
[22:10] <junderwood_> No doubt about the descent times. Burst at 14:54 (saw it) and landed at 15:25 (both BST)
[22:10] <junderwood_> I'm struggling understanding this. I also thought that the freq stability was better.
[22:10] <LazyLeopard> There was, however, a problem with the power of the signal. Early in the flight it was varying quite a bit, which made decoding fail a lot.
[22:10] <junderwood_> But the code which does the stabilisation is the same code which outputs the temperature sensor readings
[22:11] <junderwood_> Interesting.
[22:11] <Randomskk> junderwood_: well /something/ was working, since it was incrementing packet number
[22:11] <junderwood_> I had a decodable signal throughout. But I was more or less under it.
[22:11] <junderwood_> Randomskk, indeed. That's the confusing bit.
[22:11] <LazyLeopard> I'd say the level was varying on an irregular five or six seond cycle at least some of the time.
[22:12] <junderwood_> The line of code which increments the packet number is the printf line which outputs the temperatures.
[22:12] <junderwood_> from an array
[22:12] <junderwood_> The code which updates the values in the array also re-tunes the radio
[22:12] <LazyLeopard> There may also have been a much longer cycle of level variability.
[22:13] <LazyLeopard> ...but that might have been down to gegraphy (and geometry).
[22:13] <junderwood_> I can't see how the radio can re-tune and the temperatures not update!
[22:14] <Randomskk> well
[22:14] <Randomskk> there are ways
[22:14] <LazyLeopard> The signal stabilised and got much stronger in the last half-hour or so before burst.
[22:14] <Randomskk> like compiler optimisation on variables not declared volatile
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[22:16] <junderwood> even the adsl connection is playing up today :(
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[22:37] <simhed> yay! my arduino, gps and yaesu arrived today..
[22:37] <fsphil> sweet!
[22:37] <simhed> too bad that the bench power supply for transceiver seems to be broken
[22:38] <simhed> but i'll still play with connecting gps to the board tonight
[22:40] <LazyLeopard> simhed: Bad luck on the power supply. The first one I got for my FT817 went west within a few weeks, too.
[22:42] <simhed> :/
[22:42] <simhed> where did you order it from?
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[23:21] <LazyLeopard> simhed: Mine was a relatively inexpensive switch-mode brick from W&S. They replaced it, but I decided to get something beefier anyway, so I don't use the replacement for the FT817 now.
[23:22] <LazyLeopard> The charger that comes with the 817 is just a charger...
[23:22] <LazyLeopard> ...which reminds me... there's a battery to charge tonight.
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