highaltitude.log.20100626

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[00:22] <timbobel> Need help! What connector do i need for connecting Yaesu817ND to Diamond A-430 antenne.!>!>?!?
[00:22] <timbobel> !!
[00:23] <timbobel> Someone??
[00:28] <jonsowman> timbobel: what is the connector on the antenna?
[00:28] <jonsowman> PL-259?
[00:29] <jonsowman> I thought the 817 had a PL-259 female for the ant
[00:29] <jonsowman> should Just Work?
[00:30] <jonsowman> PL-259/SO-239 - stupid nomenclature :\
[00:30] <timbobel> yeah but i dont get what the antenna has
[00:30] <timbobel> it's like.. "UHF"
[00:30] <timbobel> or something
[00:31] <jonsowman> oh, a UHF connector is a PL-259
[00:31] <jonsowman> as far as I know
[00:31] <timbobel> so that is on the diamond?
[00:31] <jonsowman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHF_connector
[00:31] <timbobel> then what is on the yeasu 817? on the front its coax.. right?
[00:31] <jonsowman> the 817 has a SO-239 for the antenna
[00:32] <timbobel> "Despite the name it is rarely used for actual UHF frequencies as they don't work well above 300 MHz."
[00:32] <Randomskk> 817 has bnc somewhere
[00:32] <timbobel> !??!?!
[00:32] <Randomskk> it's got front and back
[00:32] <Randomskk> and one is bnc
[00:33] <jonsowman> http://www.g6lvb.com/images/ft817rear.JPG
[00:34] <timbobel> so which one is that?
[00:34] <jonsowman> bottom right socket is the SO-239
[00:34] <timbobel> so what do i need to hook it up to the Diamond A-430-10?
[00:35] <jonsowman> nothing
[00:35] <jonsowman> providing a "UHF" connector really does mean a PL-259
[00:35] <jonsowman> wiki indicates it does, and I thought so anyway
[00:36] <timbobel> so what is a S0-239.. is that 7/16, or tnc of N or?
[00:37] <timbobel> (and what do you call the front connector of the 817nd?
[00:39] <jonsowman> the one on the front is a BNC
[00:39] <timbobel> ah
[00:39] <timbobel> and is that a lot better..
[00:39] <timbobel> or?
[00:39] <jonsowman> it can't take as much power as UHF-connector
[00:40] <jonsowman> hence it's not often used for antennas on radios
[00:40] <timbobel> ah the SO-239 is also called M connector
[00:40] <jonsowman> OK
[00:40] <timbobel> yeah but im never using more than 5w
[00:40] <timbobel> so i might aswell use the bnc..
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[00:41] <jonsowman> but that would mean using an adaptor for connecting the antenna
[00:41] <timbobel> so.. i need a BNC-to-PL259 cable
[00:41] <jonsowman> there's no point
[00:41] <timbobel> why?
[00:41] <jonsowman> just use the SO-239
[00:41] <jonsowman> saves the lossiness and cost and annoyance of an adaptor
[00:41] <timbobel> eh, as you have probably noticed i know NOTHING about RF connections =)
[00:42] <timbobel> so i take your word
[00:42] <timbobel> so
[00:42] <timbobel> i want
[00:42] <timbobel> SO-249(or "M" mount) - to - PL259(or UHF)
[00:42] <timbobel> and which cable goes in between then?
[00:42] <jonsowman> SO-239 is the back of the 817
[00:42] <jonsowman> not 249
[00:43] <jonsowman> PL-259 (UHF) is the plug that fits into the SO-239
[00:43] <timbobel> oh indeed
[00:43] <timbobel> aaaaaaaaaah
[00:43] <jonsowman> the male/female parts of the connection have different names
[00:43] <timbobel> so i just need a PL259 to PL259 antenna
[00:43] <timbobel> oh
[00:43] <jonsowman> hence me whinging about nomenclature
[00:43] <timbobel> geeeeeeeeeeez
[00:43] <jonsowman> you don't need any adaptors :)
[00:43] <timbobel> riiight riiight
[00:43] <jonsowman> the antenna will fit straight into the 817
[00:43] <timbobel> ahh sounds sweet
[00:43] <jonsowman> :)
[00:43] <timbobel> so
[00:44] <timbobel> i need a male-2-female then right
[00:44] <timbobel> or do you expect the diamond to have the S0-240?
[00:44] <jonsowman> the connector on the 817 is female
[00:44] <jonsowman> the one on the antenna is male
[00:44] <timbobel> o
[00:44] <jonsowman> female = SO-239 male = PL-259
[00:45] <jonsowman> so they'll just fit
[00:45] <jonsowman> no adaptor required :)
[00:45] <timbobel> can you please give it a try finding that cable in this list then haha
[00:45] <timbobel> http://www.handelsondernemingveenstra.nl/webwinkel/index.php?cPath=131
[00:46] <jonsowman> I wonder if the antenna comes with a cable
[00:46] <jonsowman> "connector: UHF" is not really enough detail
[00:46] <timbobel> :'(
[00:47] <jonsowman> wonder if anyone on here has that ant
[00:47] <timbobel> we were talking about it last week
[00:47] <timbobel> and they sell then im holland for e39 apparentally.. which is, very cheap.
[00:47] <jonsowman> indeed
[00:48] <jonsowman> it might be worth ringing a distributor and inquiring about cable
[00:48] <timbobel> though i thought, lets get a matching cable then from the same site.
[00:48] <jonsowman> it might come with a cable
[00:48] <timbobel> yeah well i sent this guy an email
[00:48] <jonsowman> ok cool
[00:48] <jonsowman> even if it doesn't come with a cable, you need detail of the connector at the antenna end to choose the right cable
[00:48] <timbobel> yeah
[00:49] <timbobel> oh well..
[00:49] <timbobel> otherwise i just order the thing
[00:49] <jonsowman> ask on here tomorrow when there are more people around
[00:49] <timbobel> and check it out first hand
[00:49] <jonsowman> yeh or that
[00:49] <timbobel> well im not sure they can tell me more than you can
[00:49] <timbobel> allright thanks for your help!
[00:49] <jonsowman> someone might have the antenna
[00:49] <timbobel> off to sleep!
[00:49] <jonsowman> okay, catch you later
[00:49] <timbobel> this is the proj btw
[00:49] <timbobel> http://www.handelsondernemingveenstra.nl/webwinkel/index.php?cPath=131
[00:49] <timbobel> ehh
[00:49] <timbobel> this>>>
[00:49] <timbobel> http://hollandshoogte.wordpress.com/
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[01:17] <juxta> morning all
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[02:10] <griffonbot> @nearsys: Instructions for the robot UnderLighting kit are complete. I need to update the new BalloonSat Easy webpage. #ARHAB #robotics [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/17056649830]
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[10:53] <jonsowman> morning all
[10:53] <timbobel> morning
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[11:44] <cuddykid> Hi all! I seem to have come across a real problem! (but its probably just me!) Am in need of help!.. Currently I'm reading NMEA strings from my lassen and have got ntx2 to succesfully transmit "hello world". However my problem is now getting that gps data to be fed into the ntx2. The output from the lassen is serial so how do I go about outputting that to the NTX2?! :S .. I've been trying to use tiny gps library but can't get it working, even with
[11:44] <cuddykid> example (jcoxon recommended trying the example) I could be because i'm listening in through the arduino serial monitor and I don't have anything connected to the NSS RXpin ?? Could someone run through the steps with me? Thanks :)
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[11:49] <Randomskk> cuddykid: you typically want the arduino to read nmea from your gps on its serial input, tinygps to parse that so you end up with the gps data in-memory on the arduino, then output that as part of a string to the ntx2
[11:50] <cuddykid> randomskk, thats what I'm aiming to do, but I just can't seem to get the tinygps to parse the data :S
[11:50] <cuddykid> i'll post some code..
[11:50] Action: Randomskk hasn't used tinygps, can't help in that direction
[11:51] <cuddykid> ok, no prob, how did you go about identifying the parts of the NMEA string (e.g. lat&long) that you needed?
[11:52] <Randomskk> in code, or generally speaking working out what you need?
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[11:53] <cuddykid> code would be great :) ! but if not if you could briefly outline what you did ! Thanks
[11:54] <Randomskk> I mean, are you asking what parts of the nmea data you want
[11:54] <Randomskk> or are you asking how to parse them on the arduino
[11:54] <cuddykid> oh right! sorry, how to parse them on the arduino
[11:54] <Randomskk> personally I would say try to get tinygps working rather than going down routes I've gone in the past
[11:54] <Randomskk> they work, but they are worse
[11:55] <Randomskk> in the future I'll be using tinygps
[11:55] <cuddykid> ok, just can't seem to get tinygps working! hmm
[11:56] <cuddykid> do you know where I would connect the TXpin (of the serial) up to? As I think its outputting it through there and not onto the serial monitor on the computer :S
[11:58] <Randomskk> what?
[11:58] <Randomskk> the GPS's serial TX should go to your Arduino's serial RX
[11:58] <Randomskk> the serial monitor won't display anything since the Arduino isn't writing anything on serial
[11:58] <Randomskk> if you also have the arduino output stuff on serial, that will show up on the serial monitor
[11:59] <cuddykid> No, the new soft serial TX pin
[11:59] <Randomskk> but the serial monitor does not show what the arduino receives
[11:59] <Randomskk> the serial monitor doesn't touch the software serial pins at all
[11:59] <cuddykid> ahh, that'll be why
[11:59] <cuddykid> do you know how I could read the what the software serial is receiving?
[12:02] <Randomskk> logic analyser, or have the arduino push it to the real serial so it shows up on serial monitor
[12:03] <cuddykid> oh right, ok, thanks
[12:10] <jonsowman> morning Randomskk
[12:10] <jonsowman> s/morning/afternoon :\
[12:10] <Randomskk> :/
[12:10] <Randomskk> hi
[12:10] <Randomskk> lol afternoon
[12:10] <Randomskk> this holiday is flying by
[12:11] <jonsowman> surprise surprise
[12:11] <jonsowman> it's still June :)
[12:11] <Randomskk> true that
[12:14] <jonsowman> up to much today?
[12:14] <Randomskk> need to tidy room a bit, lottie's coming round later, might go to wisley
[12:15] <jonsowman> =D
[12:15] <Randomskk> wanna get some work done on quadcopter's motor controller before I start work
[12:15] <jonsowman> sounds good :)
[12:15] <jonsowman> yeh
[12:15] <Randomskk> and placement of wx pcb
[12:15] <jonsowman> yeh wx stuff
[12:15] <jonsowman> need to find time
[12:15] <Randomskk> I got my mbed doing some basic ethernet and it's really quite fun to see that working
[12:15] <jonsowman> always the issue
[12:15] <jonsowman> nice :)
[12:15] <jonsowman> that's cool
[12:15] <jonsowman> http://balloon.hexoc.com/gallery/apex-ii
[12:17] <Randomskk> looking good
[12:17] <Randomskk> we need to sort out some night launch stuff
[12:17] <jonsowman> definitely
[12:17] <jonsowman> shall we get a couple of cubs fab'd?
[12:18] <jonsowman> was that a gold pheonix job? i can't remember
[12:18] <jonsowman> phoenix? pheonix?
[12:18] <jonsowman> not entirely sure how you spell that
[12:18] <Randomskk> pheonix
[12:18] <Randomskk> fee-oh-nix
[12:18] <jonsowman> right
[12:18] <Randomskk> hang on
[12:18] <Randomskk> what
[12:18] <Randomskk> yea, it's phoenix
[12:18] <jonsowman> :\
[12:19] <Randomskk> I knew that, no idea why I said pheonix, what
[12:19] <jonsowman> lol
[12:19] <Randomskk> http://goldphoenixpcb.biz/ anyway
[12:20] <jonsowman> price isn't really an issue, we can stick them on CUSF expenses
[12:20] <Randomskk> =D
[12:21] <jonsowman> are we going to use badgercub for the night launch?
[12:21] <jonsowman> i'm not entirely convinced by the Venus GPS
[12:22] <Randomskk> it does work fairly well though
[12:22] <Randomskk> just can be annoying to talk to
[12:22] <jonsowman> it does
[12:22] <jonsowman> shall we stick with badgercub then?
[12:22] <jonsowman> and if so, does it need any more modifications before being sent off to be manufactured?
[12:29] <Randomskk> hmm
[12:29] <Randomskk> I think there were a few things
[12:29] <Randomskk> that ideally want to be done
[12:29] <Randomskk> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/wiki/doku.php?id=badgercub
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[12:30] <jonsowman> did we ever find a new switch?
[12:31] <Randomskk> no
[12:31] <jonsowman> :(
[12:32] <Randomskk> I like:
[12:32] <Randomskk> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=597
[12:33] <jonsowman> looks good to me
[12:33] <jonsowman> $1.50 :o
[12:33] <jonsowman> for a switch
[12:33] <Randomskk> switches are expensive
[12:33] <jonsowman> obviously
[12:33] <jonsowman> anyway that one looks fine to me
[12:33] <Randomskk> $1.50 doesn't surprise me overly. on the other hand, worth trying to find this model on farnell or such
[12:33] <Randomskk> other places probably sell it or very similar
[12:33] <Randomskk> brb anyway
[12:34] <jonsowman> ok
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[12:57] <Randomskk> back
[12:58] <Randomskk> jonsowman: so you reckon get that fixed up, make a panel gerber, send it off?
[12:58] <Randomskk> then claim back on cusf expenses?
[13:07] <timbobel> cuddykid, you could check out part of my code
[13:07] <timbobel> http://hollandshoogte.wordpress.com/code/
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[13:09] <griffonbot> @TWGeary: Follow @BrendenGeary he is doing some great stuff, I am very proud of my son! Check out www.BrendenGeary.com He's 13 #ARHAB #robotics [http://twitter.com/TWGeary/status/17087165578]
[13:10] <timbobel> are ytou guys using the Venus GPS??
[13:10] <Randomskk> on some things
[13:10] <timbobel> wait a sec
[13:10] <timbobel> in that breakoutboard
[13:10] <timbobel> youve got the great helical antenna
[13:10] <timbobel> but i see a SMA conn too!?
[13:10] <Randomskk> it's not really a breakout board
[13:10] <Randomskk> the SMA is presumably for the radio transmitter, while the helical is for GPS
[13:11] <timbobel> ah yeah it says radiotx
[13:11] <timbobel> wow now i see it
[13:11] <timbobel> that's one tiny board!
[13:11] <Randomskk> yup
[13:11] <timbobel> looking professional though
[13:11] <timbobel> howd you get the logo on there?
[13:11] <Randomskk> silkscreen
[13:11] <timbobel> eagle?
[13:11] <Randomskk> yea, eagle
[13:11] <timbobel> PM
[13:14] <cuddykid> timbobel, thanks, looks very complicated! ahhhh!
[13:15] <cuddykid> do I use a buffer or something to store the NMEA then print it out into NTX2?
[13:15] <Randomskk> usually, you'd process the nmea to extract just the data you want
[13:15] <Randomskk> and then put it to the NTX2 in a suitable format, i.e. the UKHAS format
[13:16] <cuddykid> Randomskk, yeah, once I've processed the data do I just use the "rtty_txstring(BITS OF NMEA STRING)"? where bits of nmea string is the custom string?
[13:17] <Randomskk> probably. no idea what that function does or where it comes from
[13:17] <cuddykid> ok, no worries!
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[13:21] <cuddykid> the rtty_txstring() is where anything I put in the brackets gets sent out via NTX2.. so instead of using Serial.print(blah blah) could I use rtty_txstring(blah blah) to send the serial data over the NTX2? Sorry If I'm confusing everyone!
[13:21] <Randomskk> probably
[13:22] <cuddykid> I'll give it a try and report back :)!
[13:22] <timbobel> cuddykid, just check out my code
[13:22] <timbobel> i just buffer everything in "inBuffer" array
[13:23] <cuddykid> timbobel, i've had a look and it looks really complicated :S !! Not familiar with this arduino code!
[13:23] <cuddykid> timbobel, nice blog btw! Been following!
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[13:26] <timbobel> good :) leave a comment once in a while :)
[13:27] <timbobel> yeah well, the code just says, that when it starts with a "P" (beginning of a NMEA sentence), it should start buffering, until (while) there comes an "*"(= end of sentence). And then if should see if its actually a PGGA sentence, which is the one you want, which has an "A" in it.. and then it knows it has the good sentence
[13:27] <timbobel> then the "void" breaks it up into a lot of pieces
[13:27] <cuddykid> i'll take another look :)
[13:28] <timbobel> cambridge uni, what uni is that?
[13:28] <timbobel> technical?
[13:28] <cuddykid> would that be why i'm getting the error, "invalid conversion from 'char' to 'char*'" when compiling as not using a buffer? :S
[13:30] <Randomskk> timbobel: cambridge has a fairly good engineering department, but generally studies a really wide range of subjects, so it's not just a technical uni
[13:30] <Randomskk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Cambridge
[13:31] <timbobel> not using buffer?
[13:31] <timbobel> you have to use a buffer!
[13:32] <cuddykid> ok! right, lunch time, will have a look after
[14:30] <timbobel> - - - > updated with $6,- "spy"camera review : http://hollandshoogte.wordpress.com/
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[14:35] <cuddykid> timbobel, great work!! loving the blog :)
[14:35] <cuddykid> plus that camera, what a bargain!!
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[20:19] <timbobel> silent evening
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[20:21] Action: SpeedEvil has been shredding hedges again.
[20:24] Action: fsphil is just back from camping
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[22:25] <timbobel> where can i find how to properly attach the chute
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