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[07:10] <juxta> morning all
[07:12] <jonsowman> morning juxta
[07:12] <jonsowman> how are things?
[07:12] <juxta> good good
[07:12] <juxta> playing with UBX protocol
[07:12] <jonsowman> :)
[07:12] <juxta> managed to do almost everything I want to do, just can't work out 1 damn byte in the ACK packets :)
[07:13] <jonsowman> ah
[07:13] <jonsowman> can't help you much there I'm afraid haha
[07:13] <juxta> haha - it works, I just don't know why it'd padded with a 0
[07:13] <juxta> the spec doesnt mention it
[07:13] <juxta> it's*
[07:14] <jonsowman> odd
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[07:30] <juxta> eh, seems to work just fine even with the extra 0 in there, will have to ask junderwood when he's back :)
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[07:49] <rjharrison> Launch today at 10:00 BSt
[07:49] <rjharrison> Boston Spa
[07:49] <rjharrison> Yorkshire
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[08:02] <juxta> hey junderwood - thanks for your help yesterday, I have UBX messages (with ACK) working now :)
[08:02] <junderwood> Well done. Glad to help
[08:03] <juxta> I did have one thing I was a bit unclear on though - the ACK message seems to have an extra byte of 0 padding in it which is not mentioned in the spec - at least that's what I'm getting back from the module =\
[08:04] <junderwood> What does the packet look like? (in hex)
[08:05] <juxta> ack looks like this:
[08:05] <juxta> 0xB5, 0x62, 0x05, 0x01, 0x02, 0x00, 0x06, 0x24, 0x32, 0x5B
[08:05] <juxta> it's the 0x00 after 0x02 that I'm unsure of
[08:05] <junderwood> It's correct
[08:05] <junderwood> 0xB5 0x62 - preamble
[08:06] <junderwood> 0x05 0x01 - Ack
[08:06] <junderwood> 0x02 0x00 - Packet length (0x0002) - little endian
[08:06] <juxta> ahh
[08:07] <juxta> thanks junderwood
[08:07] <junderwood> I think there are only about 2 packets which can be longer than 256 bytes so it's going to be 0x00 most of the time!
[08:07] <juxta> :)
[08:07] <junderwood> you're welcome
[08:13] <junderwood> Did I see there is a launch today?
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[08:17] <jcoxon> ping rjharrison
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[08:30] <junderwood> jcoxon, launch today?
[08:31] <jcoxon> not me, apparently rjharrison
[08:31] <junderwood> any details?
[08:31] <jcoxon> suggested he emailed round but haven't had a reply
[08:32] <jcoxon> junderwood, nope sorry
[08:32] <junderwood> a stealth flight
[08:32] <jcoxon> all i know is that its at 10am from yorkshire
[08:32] <jcoxon> i suspect it'll be an icarus payload
[08:33] <junderwood> That narrows it down a bit ;)
[08:33] <jcoxon> hehe
[08:33] <jcoxon> well just need to find the signal (.075 for sure) and then select the icarus xml :-p
[08:36] <junderwood> fair distance - should be a good test of the receiver
[08:36] <jcoxon> yeah i'm unfortunately busy from 10.30
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[10:08] <jcoxon> bbl
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[10:53] <junderwood_> Balloon in the air
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[11:24] <junderwood_> rjharrison: I think you have GPS trouble!
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[11:29] <DanielRichman> Should I use SOIC Dataflash on board or an SD Card holder? Dataflash is smaller and easier to solder, cheaper. Would require new code but I bet there's some out there, but SDCards can be read even if the entire board gets snapped in half.
[11:30] <SpeedEvil> dataflahs is cheaper?
[11:30] <SpeedEvil> How
[11:31] <DanielRichman> I hardly need 1mb
[11:32] <DanielRichman> so while sd cards are probably cheaper /MB
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[11:34] <SpeedEvil> You mean you don't have a spare 1GB card or 10?
[11:35] <DanielRichman> Actually now that you mention it I think I have one lying around
[11:35] <DanielRichman> the difference in £ between the sd card holder and the dataflash is ~20p
[11:36] <SpeedEvil> where from?
[11:36] <DanielRichman> farnell
[11:37] <DanielRichman> http://bit.ly/9mbO7v vs http://bit.ly/cWpg7p
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/hrs-hirose/dm3d-sf/connector-micro-sd-push-pull/dp/1764377
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> Speaking personally - I'd go witht he SD
[11:39] <DanielRichman> OK. I guess it is more sensible, and requires less coding effort
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> If you have libs to drive them oth that is
[11:39] <DanielRichman> yeah we flew a micro on alien#1
[11:39] <DanielRichman> worked nicely
[11:42] <DanielRichman> I don't have any spare micro SDs though ;(
[11:43] <DanielRichman> also what's the difference between Farnell categories Connectors -> PC Board -> Card Edge & Backplane and Connectors -> IC & Component Sockets; both have SD holders in
[11:44] <Randomskk> dataflash is less prone to sudden weird delas
[11:44] <Randomskk> delays
[11:44] <Randomskk> but sd is generally easier
[11:45] <Randomskk> well. dataflash may be easier or as easy to write, at a native level - sd cards are a pain in the arse - but libraries
[11:45] <Randomskk> plus recoverabiltiy
[11:45] <Randomskk> much easier to read back later
[11:45] Action: Randomskk would go for SD
[11:46] <DanielRichman> OK. http://uk.farnell.com/multicomp/sdbmf-00915b0t2/card-sd-push-push/dp/9186174 ?
[11:52] <DanielRichman> hmm http://uk.farnell.com/yamaichi/fps009-3001-bl/card-sd-mmc-manual-detect-smt/dp/1143952 has an eagle part
[11:53] <DanielRichman> actually so does the previous one -.-'
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[12:26] <DanielRichman> Crystals + AVRs require 2 caps between each pin of the crystal and GND; in the past I've used 22pF. The datasheet for this crystal specifies "Load Capacitance" of 18pF. Should I change the two capacitors to 18pF?
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> In practice, unless you've carefully considered the parasitics, you probably can't tell
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> The exact value is generally only important for hen you care aout the exact freq.
[12:29] <DanielRichman> The deviation caused by being out by a few pFs is minimal?
[12:29] <DanielRichman> I'll leave them at 22pF then.
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> Well - it depends
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> Do you care about hitting the accuracy spec of the crystal
[12:32] <DanielRichman> The only thing I care about is the RTTY really
[12:32] <DanielRichman> and as long as it doesn't drift by 1 second an hour then it's fine
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> it won't oscillate if it gets that far out
[12:35] <DanielRichman> all right ;)
[12:36] <DanielRichman> now I need to find a vreg
[12:51] <DanielRichman> Is a dropout voltage of 1-1.3 normal for a .5-1A LDO? (3v3)
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> well - that's quite high
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> for a LDO
[12:55] <DanielRichman> ok. I'll keep searching
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[12:56] <jcoxon> Balloon in the air still?
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[14:05] <Laurenceb> hi
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[15:02] <juxta> DanielRichman: I usually use the lm3940, has quite a low dropout
[15:03] <DanielRichman> ok :) I'll look it up
[15:09] <DanielRichman> juxta, it says it's "for 5v to 3v3 conversion"; the absolute maximum input vtge is 7.5. Is it still meant to be used to regulate the power supply from a battery?
[15:09] <juxta> DanielRichman: it's designed for systems that have 5V primary power and need some aux 3v3 supply - I use it with 4xAA's just fine
[15:10] <juxta> but yeah - the maximum voltage is relatively low
[15:10] <DanielRichman> OK
[15:11] <juxta> it does a good job though - I've run my stuff on 4 totally flat NiMH's - 0.9v * 4 = 3.6v, and it maintained a steady voltage until the batteries couldnt supply the current anymore
[15:14] <DanielRichman> nice
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[15:36] <DanielRichman> for SMD resistors I guess their Power Rating is going to become more of an issue that it was using the through hole stuff. What Power Rating should I be looking for on simple pullups?
[15:37] <DanielRichman> the biggest I can find 0603 is 250mW
[15:38] <DanielRichman> that should be plenty, no?
[15:39] <DanielRichman> that should even be plenty to be in series with an LED
[15:39] Action: DanielRichman notes the order number down
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[15:49] <juxta> DanielRichman: 250mW should be plenty
[15:49] <juxta> small through hole resistors have the same rating - 1/4 watt
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[15:53] <DanielRichman> juxta, I'mma get some 100mW ones... the "minimum order" quantity is lower on these ones
[15:53] <juxta> sure, that should be plenty too
[15:53] <DanielRichman> I was going to end up buying ~100 resistors that I don't need ;P
[15:53] <juxta> don't forget you can calculate how much power you'll be dissipating :)
[15:53] <juxta> for pullup resistors it's going to be negligible
[15:53] <DanielRichman> yeah I did for the LEDS; I just didn't know typically how much current a pullup esistor would be seeing
[15:53] <juxta> for an LED it might be a few mW
[15:54] <DanielRichman> indeed
[15:55] <juxta> DanielRichman: you don't need to know the current, P = I^2*R = V^2/R
[15:55] <DanielRichman> yup
[15:58] <juxta> alrighty, bed time
[15:58] <juxta> night all
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[18:42] <Hiena> ' evening!
[18:43] <natrium42> Hi Hiena
[18:43] <jcoxon> evening natrium42
[18:43] <jcoxon> and Hiena
[18:44] <natrium42> hi jcoxon
[18:45] <jonsowman> evening jcoxon, natrium42
[18:45] <natrium42> g'day jonsowman
[18:46] <jonsowman> how are things?
[18:46] <Hiena> Got some very interesting idea for a hybrid rocket engine. Basically an aerospike engine, where the oxidiser tank centered inside the solid fuel and the spike.
[18:47] <Hiena> The center tank double walled, and the outer ara act as heat exchager for the cyrogen oxidiser.
[18:49] <Hiena> Also the double wall feed from the bottom, so the spike get the coolest oxidiser.
[18:51] <Hiena> Guess, i'll sketch it and gave some student at the university to simulate it. Double win situation.
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[18:54] <jcoxon> who is F4ACD?
[18:54] <jcoxon> is that you cuddykid ?
[18:54] <jcoxon> (on dl-fldigi/spacenear.us)
[18:54] <cuddykid> jcoxon yes!
[18:54] <jonsowman> hows the payload going cuddykid?
[18:55] <jcoxon> cuddykid, hehe that looks like a french amateur radio callsign!
[18:55] <cuddykid> i was just coming on to ask some questions acutally! finished building the 1/4 wave antenna today :)
[18:55] <cuddykid> jcoxon, haha, made it up!
[18:56] <cuddykid> im stuck atm! I'm reading raw nmea data currently through the serial monitor on the arduino software but now I'm trying to use the tiny gps library but can't seem to be getting anything printed out in the serial monitor :S
[18:56] <jonsowman> Romain Hulot  F4ACD
[18:57] <cuddykid> is there any where i can post code for you guys to have a look? :S
[18:57] <jonsowman> http://pastebin.org
[18:57] <cuddykid> jonsowman, haha! shall I change it?
[18:57] <cuddykid> jonsowman, will post some code :)
[18:57] <jonsowman> only because it might confuse people
[18:57] <jonsowman> just use CUDDYKID in the fldigi callsign field
[18:57] <jonsowman> it need not be a real call
[18:57] <cuddykid> ok, will do
[18:59] <cuddykid> right, the code i'm using currently is http://pastebin.org/358725 i'm trying to use the tiny gps library to just print out if the data i'm receiving is current or not but nothing gets printed out :S !
[19:01] <jonsowman> have you tried just printing fix_age and see what it's value is?
[19:01] <jonsowman> if anything
[19:01] <jonsowman> must dash, bbl
[19:02] <cuddykid> jonsowman, will try that, ok, thanks
[19:03] <cuddykid> does anyone know of a gps emulator so I don't have to keep plugging it into the lassen and going out into the garden?!
[19:04] <Hiena> cuddykid, which operating system?
[19:05] <cuddykid> hiena, mac
[19:06] <Hiena> Ugh...No idea. For linux, i used some log file and played back through a fifo device.
[19:07] <cuddykid> ok, no worries!
[19:09] <Hiena> Ah, seems like the OSX has mkfifo.
[19:10] <jcoxon> cuddykid, on the wiki is a gps emulator
[19:10] <jcoxon> in the code section
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[19:13] <cuddykid> jcoxon, i'll have a look.. sorry if I drift in and out of here, wifi is rather patchy in the garden! need to get that sorted someday!
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[19:30] <cuddykid> i'm trying to just get my lat printed out, but all i'm getting is 9999999 :S!! the code i'm using is http://pastebin.org/358787 .. any suggestions?
[19:32] <jcoxon> do you have a lock?
[19:32] <jcoxon> 99999 usually means that you don't have one
[19:32] <cuddykid> yes, as i get proper nmea strings when i use the other code to just print out the serial :S
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[19:33] <jcoxon> cuddykid, instead try and get time
[19:33] <jcoxon> rather than lat
[19:34] <cuddykid> i tried the fix_age and got 0?
[19:34] <jcoxon> cuddykid, the best thing i'd do is have a look at the examples
[19:34] <cuddykid> for the time would i just put "Serial.println(time)" ?
[19:35] <jcoxon> in the arduino code environment
[19:35] <jcoxon> go to file -> examples -> tinygps
[19:36] <jcoxon> and use teh test with gps device
[19:36] <cuddykid> ok, I've had a look but say for instance the lines: http://pastebin.org/358794 how would I actually get that to print out through the serial?
[19:36] <cuddykid> i'll have a look :)
[19:38] <cuddykid> ok, is there a way to use it without using the newsoftserial? or would you recommend doing so?
[19:38] <jcoxon> swap everything to the normal serial if you want
[19:38] <jcoxon> i assume you have 1 line to the gps and 1 to your computer
[19:38] <jcoxon> tx to computer, rx to gps
[19:39] <cuddykid> yes
[19:41] <cuddykid> thanks jcoxon, i'll go and give it a try :)
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[21:44] <timbobel> hi all
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[21:51] <fsphil> hehe, connected with mobile - ping time 58 seconds
[21:52] <timbobel> bueno
[22:02] <natrium42> * Ping reply from fsphil: ? second(s)
[22:03] <fsphil> hmm
[22:04] <fsphil> I don't think there's much risk of me hitting the 500mb cap
[22:05] <timbobel> anyone know a <$30 barometric/absolute sensor (analog)
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[22:17] <timbobel> :(
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[22:25] <timbobel> absolute pressure sensor (analog)? Anyone?
[22:31] <jcoxon> timbobel, they are quite rare iirc
[22:31] <jcoxon> at least ones that'll work at hte preesures you want
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[22:34] <timbobel> what would you recommend?
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[23:20] <timbobel> ehm why does "Sequoia shop" sell Falcom FSA03's for 24 quid when you order 2+??!!?! thats just sick pricing!
[23:21] <timbobel> their shipping is astronomical though
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