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[09:18] <pericynthion> morning Ed
[09:18] <pericynthion> good flight on Thursday?
[09:21] <edmoore> yeah lovely thanks
[09:21] <edmoore> Ed C has just put up some photos from the android test flight http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/sets/72157624303173456/
[09:24] <edmoore> also here's a quick video of the landing site from my iphone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdCQuBF8-Zo
[09:25] <edmoore> although they seem to have compressed the bejeesus out of it
[09:26] <edmoore> i flew the gorgeous aerocon orange chute jusgt because we never have and it is so very beautiful. And I love it! was really clear in the sky seeing it come down
[09:27] <pericynthion> oh nice
[09:27] <pericynthion> so you made it to the landing site well in time?
[09:27] <edmoore> yep, saw it come down
[09:28] <edmoore> well, not in time, we were driving towards the site as we saw it
[09:28] <pericynthion> hehe
[09:28] <edmoore> it burst prematurely so we had to double back on ourselves
[09:28] <pericynthion> who's doing the android thing?
[09:28] <edmoore> Ed Cunningham - a new member
[09:28] <edmoore> Churchill NatSci
[09:28] <edmoore> excellent guy, he also served as radio op for the chase
[09:29] <pericynthion> it's a nice idea
[09:29] <pericynthion> how does the phone talk to outside electronics?
[09:29] <edmoore> it doesn't - we did it as an entirely self contained experiment
[09:29] <edmoore> texting location, taking pictures, logging gyro/accel/magnetic/temps
[09:30] <pericynthion> neat
[09:30] <pericynthion> I hear they can be made to do USB host
[09:31] <juxta|console> wow - nice work re the andriod tracker edmoore :)
[09:31] <edmoore> it's entirely Ed C's work - I will pass your message on!
[09:31] <edmoore> I just made the payload case for it in about 2.5 minutes by abusing a dremel
[09:31] <pericynthion> hehe
[09:31] <juxta|console> also that video is in quite an odd aspect ratio - is that 16:9 rotated by 90 degrees or something? =\
[09:32] <juxta|console> what's the case made from edmoore?
[09:32] <pericynthion> that would be 9:16
[09:32] <edmoore> so i bought some 'radiator insulation' which is about 2mm thick foam lined on one side with foil, and used it both for nova18 and android payloads - it works really well
[09:32] <juxta|console> yeah - I was going to say 9:16, but that just sounded wrong :)
[09:33] <edmoore> and then the payload itself is high density polystyrene
[09:33] <edmoore> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/4711545681/in/set-72157624303173456/
[09:33] <edmoore> nova 18 behind is a polystyrene box for frozen fish with an internal and external jacket of thise foiled foam
[09:33] <juxta|console> that looks basically exactly like what the radar reflectors I scavenge are made from
[09:34] <edmoore> yeah the video is 16:9 in portrait I think
[09:34] <edmoore> not ideal
[09:34] <juxta|console> where do you buy it ed?
[09:34] <edmoore> B&Q
[09:34] <edmoore> just a generic home-improvement store
[09:34] <juxta|console> oh right
[09:35] <juxta|console> we have nothing like that as far as I know (the radiator insulation) - I have o go to a specialty store to buy even polystyrene
[09:35] <edmoore> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/4711545887/in/set-72157624303173456/ - check how frosted the android got
[09:35] <juxta|console> what sort of radiator is it designed for?
[09:35] <edmoore> i'm not sure, I thick any conventional hot-water one. I bought it as a roll about 50cm wide and 5m long
[09:36] <edmoore> designed to sit on the wall behind the radiator and reflect heat back into the room
[09:36] <juxta|console> oh right - for a water heater you mean?
[09:36] <juxta|console> or the kind of thing that heats the room?
[09:36] <edmoore> no, just water-based central heating. I've always known that to be a normal radator
[09:36] <pericynthion> http://www.elliottsheating.co.uk/users/www.elliottsheating.co.uk/upload/bathroom_radiator.jpg this kind of thing
[09:36] <edmoore> exactly
[09:37] <juxta|console> got it
[09:37] <juxta|console> (we dont have those here at all)
[09:38] <juxta|console> central heating here (though it's not overly common) is gas fired, ducted hot air
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[09:38] <edmoore> i guess you have less call for it!
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[09:38] <edmoore> right, i am off to have some breakfast etc
[09:38] <juxta|console> indeed
[09:38] <pericynthion> I think I'll go to bed
[09:39] <pericynthion> time zones eh
[09:40] <edmoore> :)
[09:40] <edmoore> juxta|console: you should know that pericynthion is a founding member of CUSF and a genius
[09:40] <edmoore> and now working in california
[09:41] <pericynthion> aw, hardly
[09:41] <pericynthion> well the last part is true :P
[09:41] <juxta|console> oh wow :)
[09:41] <juxta|console> are you still involved in HAB in California pericynthion?
[09:42] <edmoore> HAK/T probably more apt
[09:42] <pericynthion> not at the moment, though I might do a balloon-launched glider this summer
[09:43] <pericynthion> www.jobyenergy.com takes up most of my time
[09:44] <pericynthion> ed, I got carrier-phase GPS working the other day, it's fairly ridiculous
[09:44] <pericynthion> definitely good enough for attitude
[09:44] <edmoore> :)
[09:44] <juxta|console> oh wow - is that where you work pericynthion?
[09:44] <edmoore> awesome
[09:45] <pericynthion> yep
[09:45] <pericynthion> you're down under, juxta?
[09:46] <juxta|console> yeah, I am
[09:47] <pericynthion> neat, glad some HAB is happening over there
[09:48] <juxta|console> hehe
[09:48] <juxta|console> there are actually about 4 or 5 other groups planning launches here at the moment too
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[09:49] <pericynthion> morning jcoxon
[09:49] <pericynthion> congrats on the SSTV
[09:49] <jcoxon> good morning pericynthion
[09:49] <jcoxon> thanks
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[09:54] <jcoxon> pericynthion, it took me a second to work out who you were henry :-)
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[09:54] <pericynthion> hehehe
[09:54] <edmoore> jcoxon: thought re: media - on the list of launches page we should have a link to a wiki page where everyone can put a link to their media
[09:54] <edmoore> eg http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/sets/72157624303173456/ which Ed C just put up
[09:54] <jcoxon> edmoore, yeah thats a good idea
[09:55] <edmoore> (android photos)
[09:55] <jcoxon> i spent some time trying to work out another method
[09:55] <jcoxon> but you can't do sets within groups on flickr
[09:55] <edmoore> yeah
[09:55] <jcoxon> edmoore, perhaps we should chose a unique tag
[09:55] <jcoxon> and just link to a search for that
[09:55] <jcoxon> wow those pictures are spectacular - phone cameras are great
[09:56] <edmoore> that can certainly be done, although a central place would guarantee that you'd get the stuff posted by people onto random video-sharing sites
[09:56] <jcoxon> and shows you don't need fancy lens
[09:56] <jcoxon> yes very true
[09:56] <edmoore> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdCQuBF8-Zo
[09:56] <edmoore> landing site from iphone (crappy compression though)
[09:57] <jcoxon> hehe so pegasus caught in the hedge
[09:57] <jcoxon> and pulled everything over
[09:57] <edmoore> yep!
[09:57] <jcoxon> i removed a massive thorn from the bottom
[09:57] <edmoore> none of the workers in that wee estate saw it come down even though it would have been right over their heads
[09:57] <edmoore> lol
[09:58] <edmoore> yeah it was a vicious bush
[09:58] <edmoore> crawling through wasn't much fun
[09:58] <jcoxon> eek
[09:59] <jcoxon> http://ukhas.org.uk/launch:170610nova18pegvii
[09:59] <jcoxon> how about that
[10:00] <jcoxon> so the file is in a subsection of launch
[10:00] <edmoore> cool - so i have completely lost my login for the ukhas wiki - could you make me a new one?
[10:00] <jcoxon> and then date+payload name
[10:00] <edmoore> edmoore or ed or something
[10:00] <edmoore> it was 'ed' back in the day
[10:00] <jcoxon> and then this can be easily linked to
[10:02] <edmoore> right, going to head out into the day - catch you guys later!
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[10:03] <pericynthion> goodnight
[10:03] Nick change: pericynthion -> pericynthion|awa
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[10:33] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #peg7 #cusf #ukhas Thursdays launch page including links to SSTV and android phone images and recovery video http://bit.ly/aszltL [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/16534654348]
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[11:12] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #peg7 #cusf #ukhas Nova18/PegVII flight kml: http://ukhas.org.uk/launch:170610nova18pegvii:kmlfile [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/16536102225]
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[12:18] <griffonbot> @Daniel_Richman: AVR XMEGA programming (usb+avrdude; no jtag) (on the XPLAIN eval brd.) works! #arhab http://bit.ly/93RW7W [http://twitter.com/Daniel_Richman/status/16538649954]
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[13:01] <fsphil> heh, second result in google for 'ukhas': "BBC News - UK 'has higher early death rate than many rich nations'"
[13:02] <fsphil> lovely
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[13:07] <sbasuita> interesting work on the android payload
[13:07] Action: sbasuita has a cheap android
[13:10] <griffonbot> @sbasuita: RT @jamescoxon: #peg7 #cusf #ukhas Thursdays launch page including links to SSTV and android phone images and recovery video http://bit ... [http://twitter.com/sbasuita/status/16541075049]
[13:12] <fsphil> a little program to play the rtty sounds, and you've nearly got a total payload
[13:23] <jcoxon> well if the audio out is like the gumstix then you could just connect a ntx2 direct
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[13:47] <RocketBoy> [ANN] - just to say that balloons are back in stock on the randomengineering.co.uk website (shameless promotion)
[13:48] <RocketBoy> I am still waiting for some new parachutes - which I'm expecting in a few days.
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[13:49] <sbasuita> RocketBoy: what's with random solutions/engineering?
[13:49] <sbasuita> i'm guessing you switched from the former to the latter
[13:50] <RocketBoy> yep - the latter is a ltd company
[14:16] <fsphil> excellent, it's all falling into place :)
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[14:24] <griffonbot> @jonsowman: Predictor now with CSV and KML downloads http://bit.ly/bZ8RZV #cusf #ukhas #apexhab [http://twitter.com/jonsowman/status/16545528671]
[14:35] Nick change: ms7821_ -> ms7821
[14:43] <jcoxon> moon pic! http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/4714405198/
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[14:46] <RocketBoy> wot - that little line?
[14:46] <jcoxon> its a crescent
[14:47] <jcoxon> !
[14:47] <jcoxon> :-)
[14:47] <RocketBoy> dirt on the lense :-)
[14:47] <jcoxon> nah
[14:51] <RocketBoy> seagull then :-p
[14:53] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, so managed to get images down to 2km
[14:55] <jcoxon> ping DanielRichman
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[14:58] <RocketBoy> 2km - that was cool
[14:58] <DanielRichman> hello jcoxon
[14:59] <RocketBoy> what was the range?
[14:59] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, were was your latest copy of windows dl-fldigi?
[15:00] <DanielRichman> if by latest you mean 1 month old, it's on github. Your latest master doesn't build for windows iirc
[15:00] <DanielRichman> I think the fixes are somewhere in my unstable branch :P
[15:00] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, 42km
[15:00] <jcoxon> hmmm okay i'll have a play
[15:00] <jcoxon> i'll fire up my linux box and use your scripts
[15:00] <DanielRichman> I can run a build if you want. I think i needed to tidy up the scripts I used
[15:00] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, if you want I can run it; it might be quicker
[15:00] <DanielRichman> what's the CPU on your linux box?
[15:01] <jcoxon> single core athlon
[15:01] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: :-)
[15:01] <DanielRichman> ah yes jcoxon you might be there a while. I'll set a build going. Downloads included it takes ~20mins. I need to parallelizze the building of some of the dependencies but haven't got around to it yet
[15:02] <RocketBoy> BBL
[15:02] Nick change: RocketBoy -> RocketBoy|away
[15:02] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, what point are you at though
[15:02] <jcoxon> this is the issue - we've got a bit messy
[15:03] <DanielRichman> you mean, what point in the build process?
[15:03] <jcoxon> no your git
[15:03] <jcoxon> hehe github*
[15:03] <jcoxon> as in where is the latest 'stable' version?
[15:03] <DanielRichman> I need to check the network graph; I've forgotten
[15:03] <DanielRichman> give me a second
[15:04] <jcoxon> ideally i'd like to get mine to the latest stable to build on all 3 platforms
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[15:04] <DanielRichman> Yes that does sound like a good idea
[15:06] <DanielRichman> OK My master is at the same point as yours, however that ftbfs on windows. There's a commit in my testing branch that fixes this along with the other ftbfs issues on windows that were introduced by my messing with the ext gps code
[15:07] <DanielRichman> the ext gps code is not finished though it does compile. Ideally I could backport the fixes for master into my main branch so that it both works on all 3 platforms and doesn't include the unfinished bits
[15:07] <jcoxon> yeah i think thats best
[15:07] <jcoxon> backport the fixes so it builds in windows and we'll 'leave' it at that
[15:14] <jcoxon> another moon pic from the android phone
[15:14] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/4711544657/in/set-72157624303173456/
[15:14] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, perhaps I should also disable the DL_FLDIGI_DEBUG stderr spam?
[15:14] <DanielRichman> where does that stuff even go on windows?
[15:15] <jcoxon> no idea
[15:16] <DanielRichman> also jcoxon have a look at git tag
[15:17] <jcoxon> oh i see
[15:17] <jcoxon> so are you going to backport the changes?
[15:19] <DanielRichman> done
[15:19] <DanielRichman> there was only one that affected the main branch
[15:19] <DanielRichman> rest were for making the ext gps build on windows
[15:20] <jcoxon> okay so i should pull the master
[15:20] <jcoxon> then lets build some binaries
[15:20] Action: DanielRichman rebases his testing
[15:20] <DanielRichman> ahh my win32 dependencies have compiled
[15:20] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, shout when you've pulled my master and I'll compile your branch
[15:21] <DanielRichman> ahh perfect the backport & rebase worked nicely :)
[15:22] <DanielRichman> although github is a bit confused over where rjh's commits are in my graph, but that's not the end of the world
[15:22] <fsphil|t60> the graph does get confused quite a lot
[15:22] <jcoxon> yeah
[15:23] <jcoxon> just checking it compiles
[15:24] <DanielRichman> ahh git is confused too. Perhaps that rebase wasn't the best idea. Meh
[15:24] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, great - working
[15:24] <DanielRichman> so jcoxon you can confirm the Mac build works?
[15:24] <jcoxon> yes
[15:24] <jcoxon> just ran it
[15:25] <jcoxon> and all my resizing works
[15:25] <DanielRichman> awesome. So are you going to roll a mac package? I'm building on linux and windows right now
[15:26] <jcoxon> yes
[15:26] <jcoxon> now does the windows build have a shortcut to run --hab
[15:26] <fsphil|t60> didn't last time I tried
[15:27] <jcoxon> that something that should be added to the package
[15:27] <jcoxon> just a simple shortcut
[15:27] <DanielRichman> my windows and linux build have just finished
[15:27] <fsphil|t60> that was fast
[15:27] <DanielRichman> yeah cooked a few marshmallows on the cpu
[15:28] <jcoxon> build done
[15:28] <fsphil|t60> hehe
[15:28] <jcoxon> and packaged
[15:28] <fsphil|t60> I've a spec file for dl-fldigi, will churn out an rpm tonight when I get home
[15:28] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, okay lets stick them on my github
[15:28] <DanielRichman> ok I'm uploading my windows build. It doesn't have the shortcut so I'll leave the build tree lying around for a recompile when that gets added
[15:28] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, is it just a pure binary?
[15:29] <DanielRichman> the windows? you just get a setup.exe
[15:29] <jcoxon> oh yeah
[15:29] <jcoxon> perhaps a shortcut in the zip with setup.exe
[15:29] <DanielRichman> -rw-r--r-- 1 daniel daniel 3.2M 2010-06-19 15:27 /home/daniel/dl-fldigi-3.20.1_setup.exe
[15:29] <DanielRichman> nah we can do better than that.
[15:29] <jcoxon> i think not having the shortcut will drive us mad
[15:29] <jcoxon> as people will get tres confused
[15:31] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, have a look at data/win32/fldigi.nsi
[15:31] <DanielRichman> there's a section on shortcut creation
[15:31] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, if we are going to change that i'll also bump the revision number in trx.c
[15:31] <DanielRichman> cool, then we can git tag that commit as "the" version
[15:32] <jcoxon> yeah
[15:32] <DanielRichman> and commit it to a stable github branch, and poke those that make the packages
[15:32] <jcoxon> so i'll fix the windows build
[15:32] <DanielRichman> I'll upload the windows setup.exe I just made for testing
[15:32] <jcoxon> okay
[15:32] <jcoxon> will poke you in a bit for new builds
[15:32] <DanielRichman> I'll poke sbasuita too for the deb
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[15:38] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, this is going to be really hard for me to sort out as i don't have a windows box to test on :-p
[15:39] <DanielRichman> ok jcoxon have you made any changes to that nsi file?
[15:39] <gb73d> test
[15:40] <jcoxon> yeah
[15:41] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, OK do you wanna push or discard them? I think I can compile a windows binary and go reboot to test it
[15:41] <DanielRichman> does windows allow () in filenames? I forget
[15:42] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, pushed
[15:42] <jcoxon> have a go
[15:42] <jcoxon> see if i pulled it off
[15:44] <fsphil|t60> Windows does allow (), but it can be fussy about it
[15:46] <DanielRichman> OK
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[15:52] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, made a couple of modifications: have just pushed them. THat was testing using wine only. If you pull them I'll compile and reboot to test it for real on XP
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[16:04] <DanielRichman> http://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi-windows-build/downloads now I'm going to reboot and test this
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[16:10] <jonsowman> w
[16:10] <jonsowman> oops
[16:10] <jonsowman> ignore
[16:10] <jonsowman> too many terminal windows :D
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[16:15] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, sucess?
[16:16] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, the resizing issue persists: the first time you start it the hab interface is messed up. If you then close and reopen - even without saving the config - it is fine
[16:16] <jcoxon> yeah i'm still not sure about how to fix that
[16:16] <jcoxon> but the shortcut
[16:16] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, the shortcut creation works for HAB mode in wine but at first glance does not appear to function properly on windows. I might have tried to test the wrong binary :P
[16:16] <jcoxon> ?
[16:17] <DanielRichman> well if I install it under wine, linux, then I get 2 shortcuts
[16:17] <DanielRichman> one for hab mode, and that works
[16:17] <DanielRichman> but installing it on the real thing doesn't seem to make both shortcuts (!?) so I'm just checking I tried to install the correct version
[16:18] <DanielRichman> Binary files dl-fldigi-3.20.1_setup.exe and temp.exe differ arrrrgh
[16:18] <DanielRichman> OK I'm going to have to try that again :P
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[16:25] <DanielRichman> OK now github's acting strange: I deleted and reuploaded a file, downloaded it, diff: files differ?
[16:25] <DanielRichman> maybe it's caching it somewhere. What a pain
[16:27] <fsphil|t60> could be multiple servers, might just take time for the new file to propagate
[16:28] <DanielRichman> yet If I delete the file and try to wget it 404s instantly
[16:28] <DanielRichman> I'll just upload it under a new name
[16:28] <DanielRichman> OK testing round two
[16:28] <fsphil|t60> ah, now that is strange
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[16:32] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, it works :)
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[16:32] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, the final tweak to make it uninstall nicely has been pushed
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[16:33] <DanielRichman> the resizing bug persists, but it's not too bad; second time you start it it appears to be fine
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[16:38] <jcoxon> okay
[16:38] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, so mine is now stable
[16:38] <jcoxon> and i've just updated the revision number to 110 to mark it
[16:39] <DanielRichman> all right jcoxon I'll build the final windows binary
[16:45] <jcoxon> okay i've uploaded the osx binary
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[16:47] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, OK where do you want this binary?
[16:48] <jcoxon> how about i place it on my github download section
[16:48] <jcoxon> so that they are all in one place
[16:48] <DanielRichman> OK
[16:48] <jcoxon> if you put it on yours i'll download it and upload it to mine
[16:48] <jcoxon> then you'll have your own copy online as well
[16:50] <DanielRichman> ok. I think I will have a look at the resizing issues too, though not sure whether I expect to find anything
[16:50] <DanielRichman> s/resizing/crazy-ui-on-first-startup/
[16:50] <jcoxon> yeah please do
[16:51] <DanielRichman> http://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi-windows-build/downloads
[16:51] <jcoxon> must admit i got a bit lost when trying to search it out
[16:51] <DanielRichman> e90f5981f96a393f2647991bcc903acf dl-fldigi-3.20.1_stable_setup.exe
[16:51] <jcoxon> yup
[16:51] Action: DanielRichman pokes sbasuita
[16:53] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, it should work on vista/7/xp?
[16:53] <DanielRichman> I tried an old version on vista and it worked
[16:53] <jcoxon> cool well we'll find out soon enough
[16:53] <DanielRichman> dunno about win7; if the fldigi devs claim that the vanilla version works on win7 then this one should
[16:54] <jcoxon> i'm going to send an email around announcing the beta release
[16:54] <jcoxon> and encouraging people to test
[16:54] <DanielRichman> ok
[17:01] <sbasuita> DanielRichman <------- poke
[17:01] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, go make a deb. kthxbye
[17:01] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: sauce?
[17:01] <DanielRichman> good point
[17:02] <DanielRichman> no wait
[17:02] <DanielRichman> http://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/tarball/master
[17:02] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, there's your sauce
[17:02] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, perhaps download http://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/tarball/master and then reupload it in your downloads section as the source tarball for this version?
[17:02] <sbasuita> k will look later
[17:02] <sbasuita> best thign to do is tag it
[17:02] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, good idea
[17:02] <sbasuita> then git will auto add it to downloads
[17:02] <sbasuita> jcoxon:
[17:02] <DanielRichman> oh will it? that's neat
[17:04] <jcoxon> so i just do:
[17:04] <jcoxon> git tag -s
[17:04] <jcoxon> then a message?
[17:04] <sbasuita> http://learn.github.com/p/tagging.html
[17:04] <sbasuita> oh -s will sign it
[17:04] <sbasuita> i guess if you want
[17:05] <sbasuita> i would just do git tag v#.#
[17:05] <sbasuita> then git push --tags
[17:05] <jcoxon> okay
[17:06] <jcoxon> yay
[17:06] <jcoxon> it worked
[17:06] <sbasuita> :)
[17:09] <fsphil|t60> that is neat
[17:09] <sbasuita> jcoxon: where does r110 come from?
[17:09] <jcoxon> i made it up
[17:09] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, I think I've fixed it
[17:09] <sbasuita> ah fair enough ;)
[17:09] <jcoxon> as in it follows on from before
[17:09] <sbasuita> cool
[17:09] <sbasuita> good idea
[17:09] <jcoxon> and its sent back to the server
[17:10] <jcoxon> so you can see on view.php what system people are using
[17:10] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, best we check it hasn't broken other systems
[17:11] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, OK the first time you open it, it has no idea how wide the window will be and they didn't code anything that will work out how wide the screen is. Therefore they have this:
[17:11] <DanielRichman> // WNOM must be large enough to contain ALL of the horizontal widgets
[17:11] <DanielRichman> // when the main dialog is initially created.
[17:11] <DanielRichman> -int WNOM = 650;//progStatus.mainW ? progStatus.mainW : WMIN;
[17:11] <DanielRichman> +int WNOM = 1000;//progStatus.mainW ? progStatus.mainW : WMIN;
[17:11] <DanielRichman> that's also the diff of my fix
[17:11] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, has some side effects: some of the resizable parts of the hab bar are wider on the first boot
[17:11] <DanielRichman> ideally we'd find the true width of the window
[17:11] <DanielRichman> but that works ^^
[17:12] <DanielRichman> and it's no more or less hacky than whatever the fldigi devs were doing before
[17:12] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:12] <jcoxon> push it and i'll check that it works
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[17:13] <DanielRichman> OK it's pushed. You have to remove your ~/.dl_fldigi folder to be in a situation that would cause the error (try doing this on the old version to make sure you suffer the bug properly)
[17:13] <jcoxon> i don't have the bug remember
[17:13] <jcoxon> :-p
[17:13] <DanielRichman> whaaaaat!
[17:14] <jcoxon> on os x its fine
[17:14] <DanielRichman> hmm OK so regression testing
[17:14] <DanielRichman> rjh suffers this bug iirc so can ask him to test it later. I'll build another windows binary to see if it works on there
[17:14] <jcoxon> the question is to we wait for this to be fixed or just release
[17:15] <DanielRichman> it is fixed
[17:15] <DanielRichman> it's not a bug in the upstream fldigi, if that's what you mean
[17:15] <DanielRichman> we simply design a UI that is too wide for the fallback settings they use
[17:15] <DanielRichman> so have to make it a bit bigger
[17:16] <jcoxon> yeah its fine
[17:16] <jcoxon> on os x
[17:16] <jcoxon> so shall we just roll some new binaries
[17:16] <DanielRichman> mmm and you wanna update that tag
[17:16] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:17] <DanielRichman> give me a shout when you've git pulled it
[17:18] <DanielRichman> Maybe the reason you didn't suffer the bug was that your fonts are smaller so that it isn't over the 650 limit
[17:21] <jcoxon> okay r111
[17:22] <DanielRichman> hmm a nicer fix would be to use Fl.screen_xywh (int &X, int &Y, int &W, int &H, int n). I guess they chose to make the 650 minimum fixed incase that doesn't work or the screen isn't that wide
[17:22] <DanielRichman> to avoid breaking everything in the worst case scenario
[17:24] <sbasuita> ok time to start the lucid upgrade
[17:24] <sbasuita> exciting ;P
[17:24] <DanielRichman> enjoy
[17:24] <DanielRichman> you're upgrading or wiping & starting over?
[17:24] <sbasuita> clean slate
[17:25] <DanielRichman> mmm got the alternate cd?
[17:25] <jcoxon> okay i'm uploading r111 binary
[17:25] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yeah and desktop... for both arches ;P
[17:25] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, as am I. Will reboot to test in a sec.
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[17:27] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, 49e4d1cb6cb79b8a295d5c972849e7a0 dl-fldigi-3.20.1.r111_setup.exe
[17:30] <jonsowman> it's looking really good guys :)
[17:30] <jonsowman> impressed
[17:30] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, can't see the download
[17:31] <DanielRichman> http://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi-windows-build/downloads
[17:32] <jcoxon> got it
[17:32] <jcoxon> was looking in the wrong bit
[17:39] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, whats your callsign these days?
[17:40] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, 2E0DRX
[17:44] <jcoxon> sbasuita, whats your call?
[17:44] <jcoxon> M6SBX?
[17:45] <sbasuita> yes
[17:45] <sbasuita> jcoxon:
[17:45] <jcoxon> great
[17:49] <sbasuita> yay, 2 hour backup :)
[17:51] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: dl-fldigi new release v3.20.1.r111 http://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads Info: http://bit.ly/acqaNY #ukhas #arhab [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/16558547004]
[17:51] <jonsowman> nice one chaps
[17:51] <jonsowman> :)
[17:53] <jcoxon> now we wait for the problems to arise...
[17:55] <DanielRichman> I give it 24hrs
[17:55] <jcoxon> i give it until the next launch
[17:56] <sbasuita> :S
[17:57] <sbasuita> ok we need a README.dl-fldigi
[17:57] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, you on lucid already?
[17:57] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: lol no
[17:58] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: now its telling me 2.5 hours for backup :|
[17:58] <jcoxon> urgh someone just copy and past that email then...
[17:58] <sbasuita> jcoxon: i'll sor tit
[17:58] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:58] <jcoxon> time for me to go
[17:58] <jcoxon> bbl
[17:58] <DanielRichman> bye
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[18:07] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: we need to remove the compiled in urls etc if this is going in debian
[18:08] <sbasuita> (is it going in debian?)
[18:08] <DanielRichman> doesn't fldigi have urls compiled in?
[18:08] <DanielRichman> like the QRZ one
[18:08] <DanielRichman> but I take your point sbasuita
[18:08] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, we can roll the .deb and provide it, then if we wanna get it past the MOTUs or debian dudes we can remove the urls?
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[18:09] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: mmm okey
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[18:24] <Hiena> http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/129195689297417521.jpg <=Muahahahaha...
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[18:42] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: maybe flesh this out a bit with osx/windows instructions? http://github.com/ssb/dl-fldigi/blob/readme.dl-fldigi/INSTALL.dl-fldigi
[18:43] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, osx: click, drag drop
[18:43] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, win: click
[18:44] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: it's build instructions...
[18:44] <DanielRichman> oh right
[18:44] <DanielRichman> for mac I think the instructions are just the same as linux
[18:44] <sbasuita> we need to mod the Makefile to install our binary also
[18:44] <sbasuita> and add some .desktop files
[18:44] <DanielRichman> for windows.... don't even joke.
[18:45] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I think the Makefile is already modded
[18:45] <DanielRichman> and the desktop files are in data
[18:46] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: no Makefile.am hasn't been commited by anyone
[18:46] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, however src/Makefile has
[18:46] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, fsphil I believe changed all the fldigis to dl_fldigis in that file
[18:46] <sbasuita> ok i'll test it later
[18:46] <sbasuita> bbiab
[18:50] <fsphil> I thought I did change it in Makefile.am?
[18:51] <fsphil> yea
[18:51] <fsphil> http://github.com/fsphil/dl-fldigi/commit/cf284729a97fb4be1144d3d508e6d09409f1d826
[18:51] <fsphil> brb, dr.who :)
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[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:15] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: hello
[19:15] <jonsowman> did you ping me the other day>
[19:15] <jonsowman> ?
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> I think so yeah
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> A friend of mine and I wanted to do a balloon simulation
[19:16] <jonsowman> right
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> and he had the question.
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> *question:
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> "Where can I get wind files from?"
[19:16] Action: SpeedEvil farts.
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[19:17] <jonsowman> thanks SpeedEvil
[19:17] <jonsowman> haha
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Isn't the sourcecode of the predictor available somewhere?
[19:17] <jonsowman> yep all on github
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I think so too and I showed it to him
[19:17] <jonsowman> the wind data is from the NOAA
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> and I got it this way
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> if you have the predictor, it knows where to get NOAA's files?
[19:18] <jonsowman> yes the predictor accesses the data with DAP
[19:18] <DanielRichman> the predictor knows where you live
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[19:18] <jonsowman> the url on the NOAA DODS server is hardcoded into the source
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> that is cool
[19:19] <jonsowman> http://nomads.ncep.noaa.gov/
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> we use GFS?
[19:20] <jonsowman> yes
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> so all we need to do is to use the predictor package
[19:21] <jonsowman> yes
[19:21] <jonsowman> why do you want the wind data files themselves?
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> he asked for it
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> and my response was: "There is a program for it already"
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> and so he wanted some more info on that
[19:21] <jonsowman> right
[19:22] <jonsowman> the predictor itself is in "pred_src" at http://github.com/jonsowman/cusf-standalone-predictor
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> ah, is that 2.0 already?
[19:23] <jonsowman> it's the predictor that runs the hourly predictor
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> ah I see
[19:23] <jonsowman> not the old CUSF GRIB predictor
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> the one that produces multiple trajectories for several launch times?
[19:24] <jonsowman> yes
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> http://www.motherboard.tv/2010/6/17/cost-of-nasa-s-new-launch-pad-equals-cost-of-entire-spacex-falcon-9-rocket--2
[19:31] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> the rocket did have some problems
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> like the rotation right at liftoff
[19:38] <SpeedEvil> I was meaning the sheer inertia of the governmental space pogram.
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> And the huge pricetag for what should be relatively simple things.
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> Everything is gold-plated - even the things that probably don't need to be.
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but Musk also said that Armstrong's word is worth nothing because he has no PhD like Buzz
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> I also think that there could be things made cheaper and still good
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> It's a point - astronauts know little about practical rocket construction.
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> true
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> If you take all of the money spent on ISS, and use it to just launch stuff, and screw around with it in orbit, to find out what actually works, it'd have ended up a lot better I expect.
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> Rather than taking the 'It absolutely has to work for 10 years, the first time we try it'
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> I once read about a cool concept
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> make an unmanned station about the size of the manned one
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> visit it occasionally by crews to exchange experiments
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> get loads of data
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> You can also do stupid amounts of stuff in a shuttle external tank.
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> Getting it to a basic pressure vessel state isn't hard.
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> true
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> That is - an environment where you can work in it, with little more than a t-shirt and possibly a breather mask.
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> Skylab was only little more than a SIV-B with empty tanks
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> basically
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[21:00] <Hiena> Well, i need more burning rod.
[21:10] <Hiena> Made a phone call and talked with some local aerospace researcher (he teaching astronomy and astro-physics at the ELTE university) and he was quite interested to the results. He want to see at least 5 different burn with different mixture ratio with a complete chamber pressure and thrust measurement.
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> Hiena what did you do?
[21:12] <Hiena> Hybrid rocket engine. Liquid/air oxidiser and charcoal fuel.
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> congrats on your first successful firing
[21:15] <Hiena> Well, it went as planned. And it wasn't a really engine just a tube with fittings. Basically a proof of concept for the use of a low grade peroxide.
[21:17] <Hiena> Now, i'm digging some info about the glue for the solid fuel rods.
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:22] <Hiena> For the previous ones, i used canvas stretch varnish, which has part of nitrocellulose. Now i'm thinking the use of some more environment friendly glue, which not affect the measurement.
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah good idea
[21:29] <Hiena> So, if anybody has a better idea, feel free to tell me. The best candidate 1:50 thinned white-glue (casein based), but using that have to build a dryer box.
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> This is a hybrid?
[21:32] <Hiena> Another idea is using laser printer toner. It's basically graphite mixed with a plastic based glue. With a heated nozzle easy to extrude to a rods. The only catch it's price.
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> laurenceb had some nice links from the NASA website about regression rate of hybrids
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> Actually - no - that was regression rates of nozzles
[21:34] <Hiena> SpeedEvil, more or less. It use liquid and gas oxidiser and solid fuel.
[21:35] <SpeedEvil> Some of the same concepts are shared.
[21:35] <SpeedEvil> I guess
[21:35] <SpeedEvil> I recall parrafin being used
[21:35] <SpeedEvil> wax that is
[21:36] <Hiena> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/f/fb/20070801030843!SpaceShipOne_schematic.png
[21:37] <Hiena> The only differenties the placement of the ignition and the oxidiser injection.
[21:38] <Hiena> And no laval nozzle, due it vas just a concept run.
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> So ambient pressure?
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[21:50] <Hiena> SpeedEvil, yup. Even i wasn't bothered to weld a decent frame for it just clamped to the concrete.
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> Well - thrust at ambient isn't likely to be high :)
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> hey natrium42
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> MythBusters once used Salami too xD
[21:58] <natrium42> moin Lunar_Lander
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[22:00] <natrium42> good, and you?
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[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> I'm fine too
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> I only have to find a way to get to Friedrichshafen
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[23:32] <Lunar_Lander> oh btw jonsowman
[23:32] <Lunar_Lander> the sim ran quite ok
[23:32] <Lunar_Lander> only that ascent rate was very low
[23:33] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: great
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> we figured out that the sim probably included chute drag on the way up
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> we need to get that away
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> but besides that it is ok
[23:33] <jonsowman> i think it just takes the ascent rate as given
[23:34] <jonsowman> it'll screw up if it goes outside the red box
[23:34] <jonsowman> just increase the deltas if that happens :)
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> oh no
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> that sim run was yesterday
[23:34] <jonsowman> oh right ok
[23:34] <jonsowman> :)
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> and we didn't have the predictor yet then
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> the balloon needed 12 hours to pop
[23:36] <jonsowman> long time
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> which indicates some error in the calculation
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeha
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> the spreadsheet gave for the same numbers something like 2 hrs
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[23:37] <jonsowman> is there anyone around from outside europe?
[23:37] <jonsowman> preferably aus or states?
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[23:40] <jonsowman> seems not. i'll wait for juxta
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> what do you need them for?
[23:41] <jonsowman> juxta was having issues with the predictor as the AJAX poller had a 500ms timeout
[23:41] <jonsowman> and from australia the ping is about 600ms
[23:41] <jonsowman> so i've just implemented code to automatically compensate for long pings and increase timeouts
[23:42] <jonsowman> i could massively de-QoS myself but I'd rather have someone test it who actually has the issue :)
[23:43] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
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