highaltitude.log.20100616

[00:00] <bfirsh> ah nice
[00:00] <SpeedEvil> The radio is pretty reliable now - standardised on a 433.? 50bps ASCII
[00:00] <SpeedEvil> Recieved by a distributed listning by lots of stations - we've had up to around 10 I think - pushing automatically to a tracker
[00:01] <bfirsh> that's awesome
[00:01] <ms7821> bfirsh: have you seen the tracker?
[00:01] <SpeedEvil> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[00:01] <SpeedEvil> It's even more awesome than that.
[00:01] <SpeedEvil> When in flight, it updates a live prediction path with the current position.
[00:01] <bfirsh> aah yes, I watched one of the flights recently on there :)
[00:02] <jcoxon> hey bfirsh, long time!
[00:03] <SpeedEvil> Also fun events like: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/4383328360/meta/
[00:04] <bfirsh> haha, goodness
[00:04] <jcoxon> bfirsh, launch on thursday
[00:04] <bfirsh> jcoxon: ooh, awesome
[00:04] <bfirsh> is that the pegasus-somethingorrather
[00:05] <jcoxon> nova 18 and pegasus VII
[00:05] <ms7821> jcoxon: I'm afraid nobody at hackspace was able to come up with a decent idea
[00:06] <ms7821> the best we got was sending cake up and then calling it spacecake :|
[00:06] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:06] <jcoxon> ms7821, no worries
[00:07] <SpeedEvil> http://metalab.at/wiki/Salami_Rocket
[00:07] <jcoxon> i might whip together an arduino/sdcard and some sensors
[00:07] <ms7821> yeah, that would be fun
[00:07] <ms7821> I'd have done that if I had time
[00:07] <jcoxon> the payload is pretty complicated already
[00:07] <jcoxon> downlinking images is a challenge
[00:09] <ms7821> SpeedEvil: now there's an idea...
[00:19] <jcoxon> right pegasus vii complete
[00:19] <jcoxon> just needs a fresh set of batteries
[00:19] <jcoxon> and to be rigged
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[00:29] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #peg7 #cusf Peg VII complete - images: http://bit.ly/aQcEaY , launch Thurs 17/6/10 ~11:00 GMT+1 from Churchill, Cambridge [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/16262813793]
[00:35] <jcoxon> night all
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[07:29] <juxta> jcoxon: are you about?
[07:30] <jcoxon> yup
[07:30] <jcoxon> just caught me
[07:30] <jcoxon> how can i help?
[07:30] <juxta> was just going to ask if you knew the resistor values used for a 425hz shift using an AVR running @3.3v
[07:31] <jcoxon> i've used 22k and 22k+2K2 + 2K2 + 2k2
[07:31] <jcoxon> but it really varies
[07:32] <juxta> hmm. i should have experimented with this before etching my board with spots for only 2 resistors :)
[07:32] <jcoxon> haha
[07:32] <juxta> do you know where's Rob's schematics have gone? I can't find them since his site changed
[07:32] <jcoxon> not sure
[07:32] <jcoxon> check the flickr group
[07:33] <juxta> which group?
[07:33] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/groups/highaltitude/
[07:34] <juxta> ah, thanks
[07:34] <jcoxon> bbl
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[07:39] <earthshine> morning
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[08:07] <juxta> morning earthshine
[08:17] <earthshine> morning juxta
[08:18] <juxta> how's things Mike?
[08:21] <juxta> 1.5/1.2
[08:21] <juxta> haha, whoops, where's my excel window gone
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[08:25] <jcoxon> back
[08:27] Action: jcoxon has just bought his lithiums for hte flight
[08:34] <juxta> hey jcoxon
[08:36] <juxta> had a play around with resistor values, works with 47k & 39k, not sure what voltage it'll be centered around though, may have to make a trip to the electronics store to get some uncommon sizes
[08:37] <jcoxon> if it works it works :-p
[08:37] <juxta> hm - datasheet says it should be centered around 1.2v, i was just concerned it might not work as well if it wasn't centered correctly
[08:38] <jcoxon> it doesn't need to be too perfect i've found
[08:38] <jcoxon> i think 1.2v is most efficient
[08:39] <juxta> that's what I figured
[08:39] <juxta> jcoxon: dyed some PCB's yesterday, as it turns out it worked really well
[08:39] <juxta> http://bogaurd.net/nut/IMG_3472.jpg
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[08:40] <juxta> one on the right spent a few hours in a weaker dye mix, other one went in overnight in a stronger mix
[08:40] <jcoxon> wow thats cool
[08:41] <juxta> yeah - the photo doesn't illustrate it too well, but the one on the left looks pretty cool, it's quite vibrant
[08:41] <jcoxon> juxta, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/4704810636/in/set-72157624065248931/
[08:42] <juxta> what's this?
[08:42] <jcoxon> Pegasus VII
[08:42] <juxta> oh nice - what's the gumstix doing?
[08:42] <jcoxon> sstv
[08:43] <jcoxon> so it grabs the image, encodes it and then transmits it
[08:43] <juxta> oh brilliant
[08:43] <juxta> is there a CMOS cam or something?
[08:43] <jcoxon> jpeg camera
[08:44] <juxta> oh right
[08:44] <juxta> how are you transmitting the SSTV?
[08:44] <jcoxon> using hte audio out on the gumstix
[08:44] <jcoxon> connected to a NTX2
[08:44] <jcoxon> steve wrote some code to make it work
[08:45] <juxta> very cool
[08:45] <juxta> what sort of range/frame rate do you expect?
[08:45] <jcoxon> well its a picture every 3 minutes, as my setup isn't very efficient
[08:45] <jcoxon> we encode to a wav file first and then play it
[08:46] <jcoxon> range 30-40 miles hopefully
[08:46] <juxta> excellent, will be good to see how it goes on the day
[08:46] <jcoxon> yeah
[08:47] <jcoxon> need to kick natrium to fix the picture upload setup to the tracker
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[08:48] <juxta> hehe
[08:49] <juxta> hrm, the more key jack and the CIV (CAT) socket on my ICOM are both 3.5mm sockets
[08:50] <juxta> they look the same - except if you plug the CIV cable into the morse key socket and turn the radio on, it's stuck on TX, how annoying
[08:52] <jcoxon> urgh
[08:57] <juxta> alright, 39k & 47k seems acceptable
[08:57] <juxta> measured at ~1.15/1.4v, good enough for me
[08:57] <jcoxon> hmm anyone know where the latest dl-fldigi binary for windows is?
[08:57] <juxta> I was actually wondering that too
[08:58] <juxta> can't find it on github
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[11:00] <griffonbot> @sbasuita: RT @jamescoxon: #peg7 #cusf Peg VII complete - images: http://bit.ly/aQcEaY , launch Thurs 17/6/10 ~11:00 GMT+1 from Churchill, Cambridge [http://twitter.com/sbasuita/status/16295442057]
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[11:38] <earthshine> cool
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[14:31] <griffonbot> @nearsys: Getting ready for this Saturday's mission. Loaded a third geiger counter into the module, need to update flight program tonight. #ARHAB [http://twitter.com/nearsys/status/16306215754]
[14:32] <russss> 3 geiger counters?! Madness
[14:32] <jcoxon> i tihnk they are testing them
[14:32] <jcoxon> they have been discussing them for weeks on the GPSL mailing list
[14:32] <jcoxon> oh yeah its GPSL this weekend
[14:33] <russss> sounds fun
[14:33] <jcoxon> would like to go one year
[14:33] <jcoxon> doubt i'll ever get time
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[15:14] <jcoxon> afternoon futurity
[15:15] <futurity> hi jcoxon
[15:15] <futurity> back in a bit
[15:15] <futurity> just popping out to get the kids
[15:15] <futurity> back in 30 minutes ;)
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[15:30] <russss> Iridium signs the largest ever commercial launch deal with SpaceX: http://www.spacex.com/press.php?page=20100616
[15:32] <russss> is it just me, or doesn't that actually mention how many launches that comprises?
[15:33] <GW8RAK> Can't see it, but it does say there are 24 scheduled launches for all purposes.
[15:34] <russss> the contract with Thales was for 81 satellites
[15:35] <russss> although I think there were 10 cold spares in that or something
[15:36] <GW8RAK> The $492 million contract would be about 10 launches at their published $50 million per launch price, but they've probably done a deal.
[15:37] <russss> yeah for 10 launches I'd expect at least a 10% discount!
[15:37] <russss> :P
[15:37] <GW8RAK> You drive a hard bargain!
[15:38] <GW8RAK> But I wonder if there would be a discount. After all, a launch is not guaranteed and it hardly achieves economies of scale if you are buying just 10 of something.
[15:38] <GW8RAK> Even if that something is about $50 million.
[15:38] <russss> they would definitely offer a discount. I think it says something to that effect on their page
[15:39] <russss> it means they get more economies of scale in actually building the launch vehicles.
[15:39] <GW8RAK> But for a first big contact, I bet they offered a good deal.
[15:40] <russss> it says Rebates to Standard Launch Services Pricing are considered on a case-by case basis to address (i) inaugural launches, (ii) short turn around opportunities and (iii) multiple launch service procurements.
[15:40] <russss> oh yeah, and "Modest discounts are available for contractually committed, multi-launch purchases."
[15:40] <russss> say 5% then ;)
[15:41] <russss> maybe they did get 10 launches, at an $800k discount each :P
[15:43] <GW8RAK> It would certainly be interesting to know what they got.
[15:44] <russss> this is cool http://www.spacex.com/Falcon9UsersGuide_2009.pdf
[15:44] <russss> didn't see that before
[15:44] <GW8RAK> Either way it is too rich for me.
[15:45] <russss> heh
[15:47] <GW8RAK> There's some interesting information in that doc.
[15:48] <GW8RAK> Certainly more interesting than work this afternoon.
[15:48] <russss> heh
[15:48] <GW8RAK> :)
[15:49] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: #peg7 #cusf All set for tomorrow, launch ~11:00BST from Churchill, Cambridge, follow http://spacenear.us/tracker chat #highaltitude freenode [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/16311571113]
[15:50] <GW8RAK> But I'd better get back to work before the girls start nagging me.
[15:53] <jcoxon> bbl
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[16:07] <fsphil> Hey all, another quicky: balloon gas (95% helium air mix) is fine?
[16:08] <russss> yes.
[16:09] <fsphil> thanks
[16:10] <fsphil> that extra 5% apparently adds quite a bit to the cost :)
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[17:01] <cuddykid> Hi all! Just got my first NMEA strings from lassen iQ (finally the antenna arrived!).. I can't seem to work out how to plot the lat long it gives out into google maps :S It keeps giving me a location in the North sea! I must be doing something wrong. Could anyone plot these in google maps and send me the link? Thanks. -> 5216.7050,N,00214.4852,W
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[17:02] <SpeedEvil> easy!
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> Enter into the search box:
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[17:07] <cuddykid> speedevil, haha! I thought it couldn't be that complicated, yet I searched everywhere and couldn't find anything! What do I type in?
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> oops - sorry
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> @56.13n,3.06w - works for decimal degrees
[17:08] <cuddykid> how did you get that from mine? :S
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> I don't - that was an example
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> to convert - you do:
[17:09] <cuddykid> ah, okay
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> 5216.7050,N,00214.4852
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> This is:
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> 52 degrees 16.7050 minutes north
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> You do "52." then add on 16.7050/60
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[17:10] <SpeedEvil> So @52.2784166N,whateverE
[17:10] <cuddykid> ok, I see, i'll give it a shot, what about the 00214.4852W ?
[17:10] <SpeedEvil> There are 60 minutes of arc in a degree
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> 002 = 002 degrees west .14485 degrees
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> err
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> 14.4852 minutes
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> So 14.4852/60
[17:11] <futurity> Hi Everyone
[17:11] <cuddykid> speedevil, thanks, i'll give it a try!
[17:11] <futurity> If jcoxon comes back online today can you tell him that i'm unlikely to be able to make it for tomorrow's launch
[17:12] <cuddykid> is there a program that will parse and send to google earth or the likes?
[17:12] <futurity> I'll unfortunately be working :'(
[17:13] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_coordinate_conversion may be of use
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[17:16] <cuddykid> speedevil, I've done the division, for the minutes part i've got 0.2414 for west, would I then write it 52.0.2412? Because google maps doesn't want to except that format, and If I do it without the decimal place between 0 and 2 its putting me in the north sea again!
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> no
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> 52.2412
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> err
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> no
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> For me - it's about @56.24N,3.1W
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[17:19] <cuddykid> 52.2784, 2.2412 -> is the conversion i've got :S
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> +56° 13' 24.00", -3° 6' 0.00" style also works
[17:21] <cuddykid> is that using my data?
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> no
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> +56° 13.25', -3°6.1' also
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> so your data is what
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> 5216.7050,N,00214.4852
[17:22] <cuddykid> yes
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> +52° 13.25', -2° 14.4852'
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> should work in the search box
[17:23] <cuddykid> speedevil, thanks! near where i live but about 7 miles out! At least not in north sea! Do you have an idea why it is so much out? :S
[17:24] <cuddykid> its on same long (vertical) but different lat
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> I probably screwed something out
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> up
[17:25] <cuddykid> ok, i'll have a look, what program do you guys use to read the nmea data and post it to servers?
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> a degree is 100km or about 60 miles.
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> So that's a tenth of a degree, or 10 minutes
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> 6 minutes
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> ah
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> the minutes are screwed up
[17:27] <cuddykid> ah, thats why!
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[17:33] <cuddykid> so, would 5216.7050,N be +52° 16.7050' ?
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> Indeed
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[21:28] <m0tek> just popping in to say that there haven't yet been any calamities and so we're still go for tomorrow
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> 2010-06-16.014046+0100BST.txt:(05:11:58 PM) futurity: If jcoxon comes back online today can you tell him that i'm unlikely to be able to make it for tomorrow's launch
[21:31] <m0tek> thanks for relaying that
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> np
[21:31] <m0tek> no HD launch videos for us then
[21:31] <m0tek> right, back to lab
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> (05:12:08 PM) futurity: I'll unfortunately be working :'(
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[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman are you there?
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> if yes please say
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[23:37] <jcoxon> Ping natrium42
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