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[10:57] <fsphil> could someone have a quick look and tell me if these are fair prices? http://www.luceballoonsandcrafts.com/pdfs/Web_helium_chart.pdf
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[15:14] <juxta> fsphil: it's much cheaper to get helium from a gas supplier, here at least
[15:22] <russss> fsphil: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:balloon_data - scroll down
[15:23] <russss> BOC's largest cylinder holds 9000L of helium for £150
[15:24] <fsphil> oh thats massively cheaper
[15:24] <russss> so it seems like those prices are rather...[dons sunglasses]...inflated
[15:24] <jonsowman> :\
[15:24] <russss> sorry.
[15:24] <jonsowman> D
[15:24] <jonsowman> D:
[15:24] <fsphil> badum tish
[15:24] <fsphil> lol
[15:25] <fsphil> "Keep it simple beginners table" -- aah there we go
[15:25] <russss> reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948
[15:26] <fsphil> lets hope the delivery charges are fair
[15:26] <russss> BOC are quite cheap on delivery
[15:26] <russss> IIRC
[15:28] <fsphil> *puts on sunglasses* we shall see
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> How much is 9000L of H2 - forex?
[15:30] <juxta> H2 is much cheaper here
[15:30] <juxta> almost half the price
[15:31] <russss> yeah, helium itself is expensive, even ignoring the massive markup on smaller containers
[15:34] <fsphil> the cylinders have to be returned, yea?
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> for all but the cheap disposable balloon cylinders.
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> (cheap in absolute terms, not by volume of gas)
[15:37] <jshriver> is there a pro/con to using helium over hydrogen?
[15:37] <jshriver> guess besides price point, does one allow greater altitudes
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[15:39] <SpeedEvil> In principle, helium has a tiny bit more lift
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[15:40] <SpeedEvil> But H2 is so much cheaper, that you may sometimes be able to buy a larger balloon, and get a _much_ greater lift/altitude
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[15:41] <m0tek> jonsowman or Randomskk - are either of you around next week - say wednesday or thursday?
[15:42] <jonsowman> m0tek: i'll be around weds and potentially thurs - why?
[15:42] <m0tek> launch the ferret for a schools competition reflight
[15:42] <jonsowman> right
[15:43] <jonsowman> weds morning would be excellent
[15:43] <jonsowman> i will also have a car
[15:43] <m0tek> ok, will see what can be done
[15:43] <m0tek> i have ferret still
[15:43] <jonsowman> ok
[15:43] <jonsowman> we have fixed the bug it had iirc, but it needs to be flashed
[15:44] <m0tek> sure
[15:44] <m0tek> will make a new payload box for it too
[15:44] <jonsowman> yup
[15:44] <jonsowman> http://www.hexoc.com/hab/predict/predict/#!/uuid=727bf8d56510856d669d55205b3b8ecafbfe32d2
[15:44] <jonsowman> looks reasonable
[15:45] <m0tek> yeah ideal
[15:45] <jshriver> you're launching a ferret? hehe would think a hamster would be lighter
[15:45] <jonsowman> m0tek: will get this new predictor generating KMLs and they get it deployed on the SRCF
[15:45] <m0tek> please do!
[15:45] <m0tek> then beer for you
[15:45] <jonsowman> =D
[15:46] <m0tek> i have just got this new kenesis keyboard
[15:46] <jonsowman> how is it?
[15:46] <m0tek> hence am on computer. feels a lot better but my wrist is still dire
[15:47] <jonsowman> oh dear
[15:47] <jonsowman> no better?
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[15:47] <m0tek> so am still mot going to use a pc for a while
[15:47] <jonsowman> fair enough
[15:47] <m0tek> it's bad. spasms and numbness in my hand
[15:47] <jonsowman> ouch
[15:47] <jonsowman> sounds horrible
[15:47] <m0tek> it's very annoying
[15:48] <m0tek> at least its after degree
[15:48] <m0tek> right, on that note i will dash
[15:48] <jonsowman> true
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[17:24] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[17:24] <jonsowman> hi jcoxon
[17:25] <jcoxon> hey
[17:25] <jonsowman> how's things?
[17:25] <jcoxon> good thanks
[17:25] <jcoxon> just been to the eden project - very col
[17:25] <jcoxon> cool*
[17:25] <jonsowman> nice
[17:25] <jonsowman> sounds good
[17:25] <jcoxon> you?
[17:25] <jonsowman> yeh not bad - enjoying freedom
[17:26] <jcoxon> :-D
[17:27] <jcoxon> hehe
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[17:27] <jcoxon> bless zeusbot
[17:28] <jcoxon> any launches lined up?
[17:28] <jonsowman> potential CUSF launch on weds
[17:28] <jcoxon> oh cool
[17:28] <jonsowman> http://www.hexoc.com/hab/predict/predict/#!/uuid=727bf8d56510856d669d55205b3b8ecafbfe32d2
[17:28] <jonsowman> weather looking good for it
[17:28] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, seems the UK found today's maths paper easier. No trending this time :o
[17:29] <jcoxon> jonsowman, not bad at all
[17:29] Action: jcoxon wonders if he could catch a ride
[17:29] <jonsowman> talk to m0tek - this is an outreach launch and I don't know exactly what it's carrying
[17:29] <jonsowman> the tracker will be ferret
[17:30] <jcoxon> might be easier to do it another day
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[17:30] <jcoxon> more focused
[17:31] <jonsowman> yup fair enough
[17:31] <jcoxon> also need to finish it :-p
[17:32] <jonsowman> haha that helps
[17:32] <jonsowman> what's left to do
[17:32] <jcoxon> oh just the payload case and a switch for the gumstix's batteries
[17:33] <jcoxon> just need a day to do all that
[17:34] <jonsowman> right
[17:34] <jcoxon> which will be monday
[17:34] <jcoxon> so should be ready from tues onwards
[17:34] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: hehe maths
[17:34] <DanielRichman> iknow. We have proper maths on tuesday.
[17:34] <DanielRichman> Well... more proper
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[17:46] <jcoxon> jonsowman, what freq is ferret?
[17:46] <jonsowman> err good question
[17:46] <jonsowman> .075 iirc
[17:46] <jonsowman> not entirely sure though
[17:46] <Randomskk> think it was
[17:46] <jcoxon> hehe i think it was as well
[17:46] <jcoxon> just checking
[17:47] <Randomskk> a pilot phoned me today =D
[17:47] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:47] <Randomskk> anyway dinner bbl
[17:47] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, ping
[17:47] <DanielRichman> boo
[17:48] <jcoxon> is there anything i need to be doing on dl-fldigi?
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[17:48] <jcoxon> as i've now got time
[17:51] <DanielRichman> hmmmm I forget. Unless you fancy having a go at the chase car gps stuff (is largely a mess atm) then I guess... wasn't there a few UI bugs?
[17:51] <jcoxon> i haven't pulled the chase car bit into my git yet
[17:51] <jcoxon> ummm I need to get my hands on a linux box with graphical interface to see what the UI bugs are
[17:52] <sbasuita> or use a virtual machine
[17:52] <sbasuita> or a livecd ;)
[17:52] <jcoxon> oooo livecd would be good
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[17:52] <jcoxon> or i could bit the bullet and just apt-get X :-p
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[17:54] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, actually compiling the latest... it seems OK
[17:54] <DanielRichman> rjh was the one who had the problems iirc
[17:54] <DanielRichman> weird things happen if I try to maximise it but apart from that everything *looks* good
[17:55] <jcoxon> thats the odd thing, on OS X i find that it looks weird until you maxmimise it
[17:55] <DanielRichman> when it starts it's width-maximised here
[17:55] <DanielRichman> and is fine
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[17:55] <jcoxon> okay so shall we encourage people to start using it now
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[17:56] <DanielRichman> well the majority of people don't need the chasecar gps stuff so I guess we could do a beta release and encourage testing but not reliance on it
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> hello people
[17:56] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, agreed
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[17:57] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, I can build a windows binary tonight if needed
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[17:57] <DanielRichman> brb
[17:57] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, no hurry
[17:57] <jcoxon> evening Lunar_Lander
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[18:03] <jcoxon> good thank you, and you?
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> I'm fine too
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> you see, RSA managed to keep up against MEX
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[18:04] <jcoxon> football fan?
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> a bit
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> but more importantly I made contact to the ham radio guys and they want to help and ham radio in the air is allowed in germany
[18:05] <jcoxon> great
[18:06] <jcoxon> that'll help your project a lot
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[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> also I phoned a environmental sensors company
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> they'll interested in supplying hardware
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[21:11] <DanielRichman> ugh I can't get http://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/network to load.
[21:12] <jonsowman> nope me neither
[21:13] <jonsowman> its just firing off loads of ajax requests with current:true pair responses
[21:15] <jshriver> Anyone know of a writeup for building a good inexpensive first setup? Say less than $150 US 200 max
[21:16] <jshriver> I'm finding the most expensive thing really besides the hydrogen/helium is the tracking package.
[21:17] <DanielRichman> jonsowman, funny; my branch's network graph seems to work
[21:18] <jonsowman> yup that works fine
[21:21] <DanielRichman> ELEM_(std::string, ssdv_block_url, "SSDV_BLOCK_URL", "Remote URL", "http:\/\/www.sanslogic.co.uk/hadie/query.php") \
[21:21] Action: DanielRichman growls
[21:21] <DanielRichman> misc/configuration.cxx:252: error: unknown escape sequence '\/'
[21:21] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[21:21] <DanielRichman> I thought this was fixed a while ago...?
[21:24] <DanielRichman> My text editor is convinced that a // in the middle of a string starts a comment but it doesn't seem to at first glance ... ?
[21:25] <DanielRichman> the problem only shows itself in .h files; not .cxx
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[21:36] <DanielRichman> fsphil, do you remember the commit that fixed one of the "error: unknown escape sequence '\/'" ?
[21:36] <DanielRichman> I'm not even sure which url it was
[21:37] <fsphil> hi DanielRichman, not sure of the top of my head. I'm in the car atm, driving home from an attempt at camping
[21:37] <DanielRichman> ah ok ;)
[21:38] <fsphil> well, I'm not driving just incase you think I'm irc'ing at the same time
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[21:38] Action: DanielRichman asks zeusbot
[21:38] <DanielRichman> zeusbot doesn't know :(
[21:38] <fsphil> half way though putting up the tent and we got eaten alive by millions of midgies
[21:39] <jonsowman> silly zeusbot
[21:40] <DanielRichman> $ git log -p | grep '\\\/'
[21:40] <DanielRichman> nothing. I'm sure this came up before
[21:41] <DanielRichman> mebe Homer and his Odessy has driven me mad and I'm making it up
[21:41] <fsphil> I don't remember it
[21:41] <DanielRichman> `/tmp/dl-fldigi.FmQAnW/src/dl-fldigi/src/dl-fldigi-3.20.1_setup.exe' -> `/tmp/dl-fldigi.FmQAnW/bin/dl-fldigi-3.20.1_setup.exe'
[21:41] <DanielRichman> Oh yeah; it compiles .
[21:42] <fsphil> epic
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