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[10:26] Action: rjharrison is being quiet studying for the Advanced Radio Exam on the 17th June
[10:26] Action: rjharrison wishes I had done some electronics at school. ESP signal processing.
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[10:35] <G8TMV> rjharrison: lol, when I did the RAE it still had triodes in it!
[10:36] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, you're doing the 17th June one? Nice
[10:36] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, did you do a course at your local club or just going for the exam?
[11:04] <rjharrison> DanielRichman just going for the exam
[11:04] <rjharrison> Studying at home, You're young brain is better at taking this stuff in :)
[11:04] <rjharrison> Your even :)
[11:06] <rjharrison> Randomskk have you done your M0 yet?
[11:07] <rjharrison> I guess if you have a background in the electronics it's going to be a little easier
[11:07] <jonsowman> rjharrison: yes he has
[11:07] <jonsowman> not entirely sure where he is at the moment
[11:07] <jonsowman> potentially still in bed
[11:07] <jonsowman> can't get hold of him
[11:08] <rjharrison> hehe the life of a student
[11:09] <jonsowman> we have an exam 9am tomorrow
[11:10] <jonsowman> revision should be what we're doing really
[11:11] <rjharrison> True, BTW what is the course
[11:11] <jonsowman> engineering
[11:12] <rjharrison> The electrical kind?
[11:12] <rjharrison> Or do you cover both
[11:12] <jonsowman> we cover all aspects for the first two years then specialise with modules in the 3rd and 4th
[11:12] <rjharrison> So you do shit like siganal processing etc ...
[11:13] <jonsowman> we do a certain amount of everything in the first two years, I don't know how much signal processing is in 2nd year
[11:13] <jonsowman> then we can pick whatever we like for third year
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[11:13] <jonsowman> I intend to pick electronics and information type modules
[11:14] <jonsowman> it'll probably involve a lot of signal processing...
[11:15] <rjharrison> Yep, that will make your Advanced Licence a wholt lot easier to get. Though that wont be high on you list at the time.
[11:16] <jonsowman> I'm going to try and do all 3 licenses in first term of next year
[11:16] <jonsowman> Time is the main issue really, so busy during term
[11:17] <DanielRichman> It's hard to find a centre that's doing the advanced exam
[11:17] <jonsowman> the CUWS CU Wireless Society do them reasonably often
[11:17] <DanielRichman> lucky
[11:18] <rjharrison> Oh I just jump in at the local HAM clubs there are 3 within 20 mins from here and at least one of them seems to have someone sitting the M0 perhaps you could contact a few local HAM clubs DanielRichman. For the August exam
[11:18] <rjharrison> DanielRichman you have the intermediate?
[11:19] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, yah
[11:19] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, RADARC (Reading) are doing a september course but seem to want people to do the course rather than just the exam
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[11:19] <Randomskk> rjharrison: yea, M0RND
[11:20] <rjharrison> Randomskk awakes
[11:20] <rjharrison> Or puts the books down :)
[11:20] <jonsowman> brunch \o/
[11:20] <Randomskk> :P gets out the shower in this case and will be off to brunch, but normally puts the books down is appropriate
[11:20] <rjharrison> M0RJH has gone :(
[11:21] <rjharrison> I'll have to go for some thing else
[11:21] <rjharrison> I was thinking M0SUN
[11:21] <rjharrison> But that might have gone too
[11:21] <Randomskk> can't work before brunch it turns out
[11:21] <Randomskk> I was up at 6:30 with the best of intentions
[11:21] <jonsowman> no me neither
[11:21] <jonsowman> 6:30?!
[11:21] <Randomskk> then again at 7:30 with less good intentions
[11:22] <Randomskk> by the time it was 10:30 I thought fuck it, shower and up
[11:22] <Randomskk> rjharrison: advanced has more theory than intermediate, but if you can just remember most of the book it's really fine, also the pass mark is really low
[11:22] <Randomskk> plus it's multiple choice right
[11:22] <Randomskk> you can practically pass on licensing conditions questions alone and forget all the technical stuff
[11:22] <Randomskk> (but not quite)
[11:23] <jonsowman> how about vice versa?
[11:23] <Randomskk> totally
[11:23] <Randomskk> but the licensing conditions are pretty straightforward
[11:23] <rjharrison> Hehe cool I'm getting there I'm at page 59 of 100 pages and 10 days to go so should be able to squeze it in
[11:23] <Randomskk> sounds good
[11:23] <jonsowman> yes I'm not really suggesting not knowing them
[11:23] <Randomskk> you have the rsgb book thing?
[11:24] <rjharrison> They give you a copy of the licence in the exam any how IIRC
[11:24] <Randomskk> well mostly
[11:24] <Randomskk> that's what I did, just got the book (from CUWS for free :D) and went through it
[11:24] <Randomskk> I had what, two weeks? something like that? might have been a bit longer
[11:24] <Randomskk> the exams are designed to make sure you know the bare minimum to operate but they do want you to get involved so they don't make them too hard
[11:25] <rjharrison> My brain takes a few reading these days. Come to think of it it always has
[11:25] Action: Randomskk has not actually gotten all that involved since getting m0rnd, blames uni
[11:25] <Randomskk> jonsowman: plus after doing ppe, em and rlc circuits this year the exam will be a breeze
[11:26] <Randomskk> talking of which I need to revise the linear circuits filters section
[11:26] <jonsowman> true
[11:26] <jonsowman> mm yeh me too
[11:26] <jonsowman> after the timed paper today going to read over Durkan's notes
[11:26] <jonsowman> op amps need looking at
[11:26] <jonsowman> oh and transformers
[11:26] <jonsowman> referring powers/currents/voltages/impedances etc
[11:26] <rjharrison> eddie currents
[11:27] <jonsowman> Randomskk: shall we head over?
[11:27] <Randomskk> yup let's
[11:27] <jonsowman> is anyone else around?
[11:27] <Randomskk> lottie said she "may" turn up but looked a bit like revision panic was setting in
[11:27] <Randomskk> besides that I don't know, but phil, max &co are probably over
[11:28] <Randomskk> scratch that
[11:28] <Randomskk> she's here
[11:28] <jonsowman> omw...
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[12:07] <DanielRichman> ha.
[12:07] <DanielRichman> gotcha.
[12:07] <sbasuita> ?
[12:07] <DanielRichman> well the intention of the on_join and on_part events was to work out when the bot's request to join the channel has gone through
[12:08] <DanielRichman> but it's also trapping message when other people join and part.
[12:08] <DanielRichman> because it's the same message from an irc server with a different "target"
[12:08] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: ok so parse the target for the bot nick ;)
[12:09] <DanielRichman> yeah will have to split by @ and grab the nick bit
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[12:09] <DanielRichman> or maybe !
[12:09] <sbasuita> yeah everything infront of ! is nick
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[12:29] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, success
[12:29] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: safe
[12:29] <sbasuita> now do some greek revision
[12:29] <DanielRichman> ugh
[12:30] <DanielRichman> you're so kind, I almost forgot
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[12:47] <SpeedEvil> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/06/06/0518216/Google-Backed-Wind-Powered-Car-Goes-Faster-Than-the-Wind
[12:47] <SpeedEvil> neat!
[12:48] <jonsowman> "The car has a passing resemblance to a Formula 1 racing car, except for the five meter high propeller mounted on the back"
[12:48] <jonsowman> haha
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> It's beautiful - you can ignore the car speed by gearing the turbine so it rotates at the speed required to counteract that drag.
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> Basically a differential gearbox made of air.
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[14:00] <LebowskiAchiever> Hi everyone :)
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[14:32] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[14:33] <fsphil> hiya jcoxon, what you up to today?
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[14:41] <jcoxon> just chilling
[14:41] <jcoxon> might do some work on Peg VII in a bit
[14:41] <jcoxon> make quite a bit of progress
[14:41] <jcoxon> made*
[14:42] <jcoxon> hows things with you?
[14:44] <fsphil> more or less the same, thinking about working a bit but not getting too far with that yet
[14:44] <WillD_> James - Quick question: did you ever connect your gumstix serial ports direct to the radiometrix transmitter or did you use audio?
[14:50] <jcoxon> WillD_, I used audio
[14:50] <jcoxon> steve wrote some code that generates audio for packet, sstv and rtty
[14:53] <WillD_> cheers, looking at the 869, thinking audio or shifting with voltage at the moment
[14:56] <jcoxon> what micro?
[14:56] <jcoxon> for your flight 'puter?
[14:59] <WillD_> it's a verdex & console - having lots of fun building kernels and stuff!
[15:00] <fsphil> they looks like fun little gadgets
[15:03] <WillD_> they're good - bit of a faff to get configured and doing what you want to start with - but ok and v small :)
[15:04] <jcoxon> yeah careful not to short it on anything
[15:05] <jcoxon> voltage shifting is a challenge with a gumstix
[15:05] <jcoxon> unless its morse
[15:05] <jcoxon> or you add a dac
[15:05] <jcoxon> did you have fun setting up the build environment
[15:05] <jcoxon> last time i did it it took a week
[15:05] <jcoxon> (fixing bugs rather then slow processors!)
[15:07] <WillD_> yep - all really good fun ;] but lots of wiki stuff to get help from which is nice
[15:07] <jcoxon> i still find the wiki a mess
[15:07] <jcoxon> don't get me started on gumstix documentations
[15:08] <WillD_> it could be better....
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[15:31] <jcoxon> WillD_, where abouts are you based?
[15:32] <WillD_> I'm in Worcester
[15:32] <jcoxon> oh cool
[15:32] <jcoxon> i've got a spare audiostix if you wanted one
[15:32] <jcoxon> not in great condition with some rubbish soldering on it but audio would still work
[15:35] <WillD_> thanks - that would be cool
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[16:36] <rjharrison> Hey jcoxon you're free amn
[16:36] <rjharrison> man
[16:37] <jcoxon> hello rjharrison
[16:37] <rjharrison> I'm beeing v quiet ATM revising for M0
[16:37] <rjharrison> It's a bit harder than I thought it would be
[16:37] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:38] <rjharrison> Esp. The signal processing stuff, but I'm getting there
[16:38] <rjharrison> It's quite interesting in a round about way and I do feel inspired to have ago at making my own tx
[16:39] <Randomskk> it is inspiring for that
[16:39] <Randomskk> makes it seem very easy
[16:39] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[16:39] <Randomskk> it turns out irl it's much harder than theory would have you believe :P
[16:39] <Randomskk> worth playing with though
[16:39] <rjharrison> Great well that about knocks the nail in the coffin for that :)
[16:40] Action: Randomskk has not actually made a proper transmitter
[16:40] <rjharrison> Yep I think a simple morse TX would be worth having a go at
[16:40] <Randomskk> yea definitely
[16:40] <Randomskk> you might want to try rx first but it's more fun to transmit on homebrew I guess
[16:40] <Randomskk> morse is fairly easy to transmit and possible to spend some time making it very nice
[16:41] <DanielRichman> we were considering trying to build a powerful psk or fsk transmitter for when the payload landed, but not this year I don't think
[16:41] <rjharrison> Would probably cover some of the basics and perhaps I would understand it a bit better. I kind of like to make something as well as just theory
[16:41] <rjharrison> Sort of sticks better in the grey matter
[16:41] <Randomskk> definitely
[16:42] <Randomskk> I cheated, just had an ARM do PWM at my desired frequency and shoved it into a wire
[16:42] <Randomskk> noisiest thing ever but worked
[16:42] <Randomskk> hehe
[16:42] <rjharrison> Hehe I drive it even worse but just variying the voltage into the radiometrix module
[16:42] <Randomskk> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/06/06/032235/Mysterious-Radio-Station-UVB-76-Goes-Offline
[16:43] <rjharrison> Nice sharp edges on my FSK :)
[16:44] <rjharrison> I think a small inductor in series and a small cap and R in parallel would at least clean up the edges a bit
[16:44] <rjharrison> The next thing would to get the voltage input in phase
[16:45] <sbasuita> this is hilarious Randomskk ;)
[16:45] <sbasuita> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVB-76
[16:45] <Randomskk> yea
[16:45] <Randomskk> there are many such stations
[16:45] <Randomskk> wikipedia "numbers stations"
[16:45] <Randomskk> from the good old cold war days when radio was exciting and the internet couldn't be used instead
[16:46] <rjharrison> Randomskk The nuclear battery has probably run out
[16:47] <DanielRichman> why is there so much mystery surrounding the station? Hasn't anyone asked or are the relevant owners just not willing to speak about it
[16:47] <Randomskk> it is Government and cold war era
[16:47] <Randomskk> asking gets you shot
[16:48] <sbasuita> stalin never died
[16:48] <Randomskk> check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Woodpecker too
[16:48] <Randomskk> that is an incredible antenna array
[16:48] <sbasuita> this is all a test of loyalty
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[17:44] <Randomskk> UTC
[17:44] <jonsowman> maybe we should replace zeusbot with Randomskk
[17:45] <Randomskk> :P
[17:45] <m0tek> the answer was as useless
[17:45] <Randomskk> would you like me to subtract the two times as well?
[17:46] <m0tek> no
[17:46] <Randomskk> :P
[17:52] <m0tek> i am pleased there is a storm
[17:52] <DanielRichman> m0tek, rjh is revising for the advanced license exam :)
[17:52] <m0tek> yes i got an asnwerphone message saying 'heeeeeeeelp i don't get it' that's why I'm here
[17:53] <m0tek> cos apparently i smugly said i revised for it in 10 minutes
[17:53] <m0tek> this is not true, it was more like an hour
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[17:57] <m0tek> vimium is very good. helping with my rsi
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[17:57] <m0tek> Randomskk how have zams been thus farly?
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[18:11] <griffonbot> @stilldavid: Release! #hab http://gdzl.la/88aspS [http://twitter.com/stilldavid/status/15568404721]
[18:12] <sbasuita> wait what
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[18:12] <sbasuita> who's payload is that?
[18:13] <DanielRichman> stilldavid's I imagine
[18:13] <sbasuita> no apparently its nate's
[18:13] <sbasuita> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stilldavid/4674769987/in/photostream/
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[18:15] <fsphil> I was suppose to be working on my payload today, but it's tooooooo warm
[18:21] <SpeedEvil> I offer a development environment, where you can work free of distractions, at a constant 15C.
[18:21] Action: SpeedEvil doesn't use the garage much.
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[18:45] <Randomskk> m0tek: ew, basically
[18:45] <Randomskk> mechanics was a bit mean, they asked some annoying awkward questions, including odd things about pulleys and nothing about polar or intrinsic coords, plus a long one on velocity diagrams that was also a bit awkward
[18:45] <Randomskk> structures was pretty much as expected so not atrocious but I'm really not great at structures
[18:46] <Randomskk> still to come are maths and electronics which will hopefully both go better
[18:51] <griffonbot> @stilldavid: Lead chase car just got pulled over. Nice driving, Nate! #hab [http://twitter.com/stilldavid/status/15570523638]
[18:51] <Randomskk> hah nice
[18:51] <DanielRichman> ha
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[19:00] <fsphil> haha
[19:01] <fsphil> how does the twitter feed work?
[19:01] <fsphil> I'm a twitter virgin - been avoiding it so far
[19:02] <Randomskk> basically any tweets with "#hab" in will get posted to the IRC
[19:02] <DanielRichman> * griffonbot is following: #hab #ukhas #arhab #cusf
[19:02] <Randomskk> yea that
[19:04] <fsphil> mind if I test?
[19:05] <sbasuita> go for it fsphil
[19:06] <griffonbot> @fsphil: Hello, World! #hab [http://twitter.com/fsphil/status/15571309997]
[19:06] <fsphil> haha
[19:06] <fsphil> that's fast
[19:06] <sbasuita> *clap clap clap*
[19:06] <fsphil> I tweeted ... oooh I feel dirty ;-)
[19:07] <sbasuita> oh yeah, first follower position for me xD
[19:07] <fsphil> sweet lol
[19:07] <sbasuita> wow, its really tipping it down outside now
[19:07] <sbasuita> some nice relief
[19:07] <fsphil> there's a few thunderstorms over england atm
[19:09] <Randomskk> yea
[19:09] <Randomskk> raining quite hard here
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[19:31] <jcoxon> stilldavid, hehe another sparkfun launch!
[19:32] <jcoxon> hey m0tek, all done?
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[20:25] <Hiena> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk7LcugO3zg
[20:28] <sbasuita> awesome design
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[20:59] <Hiena> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdAmEEAiJWo
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[21:10] <rjharrison> Hey mot
[21:10] <rjharrison> Hey m0tek
[21:10] <rjharrison> You in London?
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[21:17] <rjharrison> OMG are you all watching TV :)
[21:17] <rjharrison> SpeedEvil, You must be here
[21:17] <rjharrison> The constant of UKHAS
[21:17] <rjharrison> Hey natrium42
[21:19] <griffonbot> @ShopTillDropUSA: At Alternatives To Amazon - Asus Eee PC 1005HAB... http://bit.ly/aMibh6 #compusa #laptops&notebooks #asus #eee #hab #netbook #refurbished [http://twitter.com/ShopTillDropUSA/status/15577982993]
[21:20] <jonsowman> :\
[21:20] <DanielRichman> errrrrrr
[21:20] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, come on we gotta lose #hab
[21:20] <rjharrison> Whos the griffonbot
[21:20] <jonsowman> it is amusing but is going to get irritating
[21:20] <DanielRichman> indeed jonsowman
[21:20] <griffonbot> @jonsowman: hello rjharrison #cusf [http://twitter.com/jonsowman/status/15578041280]
[21:21] <DanielRichman> rjharrison,
[21:21] <DanielRichman> * griffonbot is GriffonBot [http://github.com/ssb/griffonbot]
[21:21] <DanielRichman> * griffonbot is following: #hab #ukhas #arhab #cusf
[21:21] <sbasuita> meh i don't mind that much
[21:21] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I'm going to remove #hab :X
[21:22] <jonsowman> encourage people to use #arhab
[21:22] <jonsowman> i think a lot do anyway
[21:22] <DanielRichman> heh it isn't really #arhab in the UK
[21:22] <jonsowman> true
[21:22] <DanielRichman> since we're not allowed to use them :(
[21:22] <jonsowman> more's the pity
[21:22] <DanielRichman> hmm I'd encourage either #arhab or #ukhas
[21:23] <sbasuita> not arhab
[21:23] <sbasuita> iunno
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[21:23] Action: sbasuita likes #hab ;(
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[21:23] Action: griffonbot is GriffonBot [http://github.com/ssb/griffonbot]
[21:23] Action: griffonbot is following: #ukhas #arhab #cusf
[21:23] <jonsowman> i like #hab too but it's a bit too widely used for things not HAB related
[21:23] <griffonbot> @Daniel_Richman: Griffinbot is no longer following #hab (due to random spam): use #ukhas :) [http://twitter.com/Daniel_Richman/status/15578179913]
[21:24] <DanielRichman> it's roughly a 11us 7garbage split on http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23hab
[21:27] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: possible to maybe filter accounts from which griffonbot will display #hab hashtags?
[21:28] <jonsowman> eg. sbasuita's hab list on twitter
[21:28] <sbasuita> jonsowman: yeah but a blacklist wouldn't work
[21:28] <DanielRichman> interesting idea jonsowman
[21:28] <jonsowman> whitelist
[21:28] <DanielRichman> yeah
[21:28] <sbasuita> its a possibility
[21:28] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, new file TODO
[21:28] <DanielRichman> echo "Configure following different tags per each channel joined ">> TODO
[21:28] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: use github issues
[21:28] <jonsowman> :)
[21:29] <sbasuita> can we pull http://twitter.com/sbasuita/hab ?
[21:29] <DanielRichman> good idea
[21:29] <DanielRichman> hmmm
[21:29] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I don't think so
[21:30] <Randomskk> are you sure? I thought the API had lists?
[21:30] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Twitter-REST-API-Method%3A-GET-list-memberships
[21:30] <DanielRichman> streaming api
[21:30] <sbasuita> just poll the list
[21:31] <DanielRichman> dah that would break the pattern
[21:31] <sbasuita> doesn't have to be very often
[21:31] <DanielRichman> everything on griffonbot is push currently
[21:31] <sbasuita> doesn't matter hugely...
[21:31] <DanielRichman> but but.... :'(
[21:31] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, either way whatever we decide I'm not coding it for 2 weeks; are you?
[21:31] <Randomskk> pfft gcses :p
[21:31] <sbasuita> o wait that's the wrong api call i linked
[21:31] <DanielRichman> yawn gcses
[21:32] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: nah allow it
[21:32] <DanielRichman> eh?
[21:32] <sbasuita> http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Twitter-REST-API-Method%3A-GET-list-members
[21:32] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: do it after gcses
[21:32] <DanielRichman> xactly
[21:32] <sbasuita> unless somebody else wants to hack the codebase
[21:32] <sbasuita> perfectly welcome
[21:32] <DanielRichman> and then wade through the mess created by the fact that I forgot to branch off a stable branch
[21:32] <DanielRichman> so they'd have to git cherry-pick everything ;P
[21:33] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: can we not stabalise at least tonight?
[21:33] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, master of git, is there a way to create a new branch that's set at a certain commit?
[21:33] <Randomskk> git branch branchname committag
[21:33] <Randomskk> like that?
[21:33] <DanielRichman> probably :D
[21:33] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, um well if you go do that try block required in mail.py I'll do some testing w. tcpkill
[21:33] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: you can't move the commits from master to another branch
[21:33] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, you need to ID the error returned by its arguments... if its a login error, raise it, otherwise squash it and reconncet
[21:34] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, hmm I'd have to do that and then cherry pick the two relevant to stable
[21:34] <sbasuita> although we could branch at the latest commit
[21:34] <sbasuita> and delete the mail stuff from master
[21:34] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, not liking it
[21:34] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, if we stabilise the mail stuff then we can leave it there
[21:34] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, also need to add config options for disabling/enabling twitter & mail on their own
[21:35] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, the email stuff works
[21:35] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I fixed that a few days ago
[21:35] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: so which bits are unstable?
[21:35] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, it just needs proper testing
[21:36] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, and a while True: try: to have it reconnect if it gets dropped
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[21:51] <DanielRichman> In Python, how do you make it so that a try: except: pair catches all exceptions except for any from a certain command, without using two try blocks sandwiching the command in question?
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> ?
[21:52] <Randomskk> uh
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> I don't - generally - do TV
[21:53] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: generally you want to not have massive try blocks, but you can't have a try block ignore one particular line inside many
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> I keep up on my news with my weekly news program - 'Have I got news for you'.
[21:53] <Randomskk> you'd need two. you could try inspecting the raised exception or such
[21:53] <DanielRichman> hmm; ok. Massive try block is so that the bot can try and pick itself back up if the connection gets dropped
[21:53] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, :)
[21:54] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, I could use a goto :O
[21:54] <Randomskk> no
[21:54] <DanielRichman> :P
[21:54] <Randomskk> though, that said, on rare occasion they are valid
[21:54] <Randomskk> but basically no
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[21:54] <Randomskk> wrt massive try block
[21:55] <Randomskk> usually a smaller try block wrapping the function call or loop that might bugger up would be neater
[21:55] <DanielRichman> mmm
[21:55] <Randomskk> you should generally aim for as few indentation levels as possible for clarity (obviously without taking this to a silly extreme)
[21:56] <Randomskk> so you might have irc.loop() which is what checks the irc connection etc, and then somewhere else would be try: while true: irc.loop() except: bla bla bla
[21:56] <Randomskk> but that's just me and I'm hardly a python expert, read pep8 for more guidance :D
[22:01] <DanielRichman> yeah you're right; I could do with some reduction in the indentation levels
[22:02] <DanielRichman> but that can wait
[22:02] <DanielRichman> what I did Randomskk was nest the call for which i didn't want to catch any errors in its own try (inside the bigger try) and catch anything, print a trace and then raise a custom class SrsError(). The outer try would catch that and reraise it rather than squash it
[22:02] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, have pushed. It's not tested.
[22:03] <Randomskk> sounds somewhat sensible
[22:03] <Randomskk> except the naming strategy :P
[22:03] <DanielRichman> psssh
[22:03] <DanielRichman> it gets the message across
[22:03] <Randomskk> :P
[22:03] <Randomskk> true
[22:04] <Randomskk> what you've described is generally fine though
[22:05] <DanielRichman> good, good. Will cut down on the indentation later
[22:05] <DanielRichman> time to test this thing with... tcpkill!
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[22:11] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, ok tested it; seems to hold up fairly well
[22:11] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, suggest we defer deployment of mail.py until later... tomorrow
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