highaltitude.log.20100604

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[08:01] <jcoxon> morning all
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[08:22] <earthshine> morning
[08:23] <jcoxon> morning earthshine
[08:50] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: Woohoo, SSTV and RTTY now working in a loop, 6 RTTY strings followed by 1 image #peg7 #hab [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/15400612864]
[08:51] <jonsowman> jcoxon: nice one
[08:52] <jcoxon> it works rather well now, so you break the rtty telemetry stream for only ~ 1minute for hte image downlink
[08:52] <jcoxon> that should upset the tracking too much
[08:52] <jonsowman> sounds good
[08:52] <jcoxon> and if you run dl-fldigi and MMSSTV at the same time they'll decode each appropriately without any intervention
[08:52] <jonsowman> :D
[08:52] <jcoxon> shouldn't*
[08:53] <jonsowman> ETA launch?
[08:54] <jcoxon> in the week of the 14/6/10
[08:54] <jcoxon> i'm away next week so can't do then
[08:55] <jonsowman> fair enough, where from?
[08:55] <jcoxon> i'll come up to cambrdige
[08:55] <jcoxon> see if you cusf lot want to do some tracking :-p
[08:55] <jonsowman> Oh I'm sure we will
[08:56] <jonsowman> I'll already be home but it's a quick drive back up here if you want another chase car
[08:56] <jcoxon> oh gosh guess i'll have to chase this one :-)
[08:56] <jcoxon> hehe
[08:56] <jcoxon> will speak with Ed when he re-emerges
[08:57] <jcoxon> tempted to wait for a weekend as I reckon a number of hams would be interested in rx'ing the images
[08:57] <jonsowman> yes they probably would
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[09:36] <russss> argh, I'm a way on the week of the 14th
[09:36] <russss> :P
[09:36] <russss> away*
[09:38] <jcoxon> russss, that was only a rough estimate :-)
[09:38] <jcoxon> could also do monday
[09:39] <jcoxon> as in this monday :-p
[09:39] <russss> well I can't track on weekdays, I forgot to get a rig control cable :P
[09:40] <jcoxon> i think its best that i wait
[09:40] <jcoxon> also i'll want a nice weather day as clouds might intefere a little with the signal
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[11:05] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[12:16] <russss> Falcon 9 first launch, window opens 4pm BST: http://www.spacex.com/updates.php
[12:17] Action: SpeedEvil really, really hopes it works.
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[13:27] <SpeedEvil> Is there a stream of the above?
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> ah
[13:32] <russss> yeah you found the link I assume :)
[13:32] <russss> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php - it's on a test loop at the moment
[13:32] <russss> stream starts at 1500 BST
[13:32] <sbasuita> hmmm i just get 'ready to receive stream' - dunno if that's the bittorrent not working
[13:32] <russss> SpaceX are saying it'll be a success if it gets off the ground, and anything more is a bonus
[13:33] <sbasuita> although there is a speeded up video in the background
[13:33] <russss> sbasuita: that's what it should be saying I think
[13:33] <russss> the video/audio in the background is just their test signal
[13:33] <sbasuita> cool
[13:33] <russss> you can probably also see it on http://www.spacevidcast.com/
[13:34] <russss> they're just rebroadcasting NASA TV at the moment
[13:34] <sbasuita> okey will keep that in mind
[13:35] <russss> spacevidcast is cool
[13:37] <sbasuita> oh... bitgravity doesn't use bittorrent
[13:38] <sbasuita> i'm just making stuff up :\
[13:40] <DanielRichman> so what's special about this particular rocket?
[13:41] <SpeedEvil> It's from a new entrant into the field.
[13:41] <russss> first actually commercial medium-lift rocket
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> The field is basically dominated - and has een since 1960 - by 'the usual suspects'.
[13:42] <DanielRichman> ahh, i see
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> Basically - if you are a huge military contractor, you can build rockets too.
[13:43] <russss> well all the huge military contractors are just building the same rockets they were building in the 60s, which were just ICBMs
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> And if you're good at the politics side, you can avoid those pesky questions like 'Why the fuck do rockets still cost around $10000/lb to lift stuff to orbit, when the fuel costs about $100/lb'
[13:43] <russss> this is actually a new design
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> ICBM design in many ways poisoned the current crop of rockets.
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> ICBM design prioritises small - light - ultimately low mass - to make the infrastructure more concealable and transportable. - over everything else.
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> For a cheap rocket - you don't generally actually care that it's twice as large as it could be if you spent 10* the money.
[13:45] <russss> Falcon 9 is intended to have 2 reusable stages eventually, which I believe is a first.
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> Shuttle
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> sort-of
[13:46] <russss> the shuttle is funny, I'm not counting it ;)
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> fair enough.
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> The basic problem with national space programs is the first word.
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> They are national.
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> They are run for pride and prestige reasons.
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> Everything has to be shiny and pretty, and nobody has to get hurt.
[13:47] <russss> well, and military reasons (at least they were)
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> yes
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOOSE - for example.
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> This sort of technology is boring, it is not sexy, and it is cheap.
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> It might however - if you're stuck in orbit - get you on the ground - with a better than 75% chance of not dying with a mass of under a hundred kilos.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Personally, this is the sort of thing I'd really quite like if I was going up in the shuttle.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> But as failure is not an option - you can't engineer for failure politically.
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> And fielding a system with a 25% chance of killing the user is politically impossible in that sort of environment.
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> Because of course, astronauts are far more important than the laborer that got squished by a truck making your launch pad.
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[14:04] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> o
[14:06] <Lunar_Lander> I need help in a HAB question unrelated to the tech
[14:06] Action: SpeedEvil suggests a priest.
[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> I doubt a priest knows about insurance
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> Ask Reverend Adelir Antonio de Carli.
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> xD who's that?
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> He's the priest who ballooned to his (presumed) death.
[14:09] <Lunar_Lander> oh that one
[14:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I heard of him
[14:13] <Lunar_Lander> well people, one of my old teachers talked about my balloon today
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> he said that insurance is important in case it lands on a airport or motorway or so
[14:20] <Lunar_Lander> any help?
[14:20] <Lunar_Lander> please
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it - nobody here uses insurance
[14:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[14:22] <DanielRichman> Where would one even go to get UFO insurance?
[14:23] <Lunar_Lander> and what happens if a payload hits motorway/train line/airport/stadium ?
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> That's why you put someone elses contact details on it.
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Practically - the risk is very low.
[14:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that was my argument too
[14:24] <Lunar_Lander> but he was like: "If you delay 10 flights you get sued by the flight companies and it's millions"
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> When designing the payload - assume it's going to land on your head.
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> The NOTAM covers you in that case.
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it
[14:25] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[14:25] <Lunar_Lander> so when I have the NOTAM, everything's OK?
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> From a perspective of having authorisation to launch stuff into the air - yes
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> Not from the perspective of it landing on the queen.
[14:26] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[14:26] <Lunar_Lander> fortunately we do not have a queen here
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> She could visit!
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:26] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it the case is the same in hte US
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> if you're operating under the correct regulations to legally launch stuff into the air - you're - mostly fine.
[14:27] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[14:27] <Lunar_Lander> thank you for the info
[14:27] <Lunar_Lander> I think I'll ask the DFS man too what he says
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> In principle insurance would be wise.
[14:28] <Lunar_Lander> yes
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[14:28] <SpeedEvil> In practice - it's going to be quite expensive, for the small risk.
[14:28] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[14:42] <jcoxon> afternoon
[14:43] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil that guy also said that with this insurance topic, I won't make it to launch in July
[14:44] <jcoxon> hello Lunar_Lander
[14:45] <Lunar_Lander> how's life today jcoxon ?
[14:46] <jcoxon> good thank you
[14:46] <jcoxon> found out i passed my practical exam
[14:46] <jcoxon> so am very nearly there - just have to wait for the results to the written exams
[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> that sounds really good
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[15:05] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: Does he actually have any way to veto it?
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> no, he is just a teacher from my old high-school w
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> -w
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> I asked him if we could have a school experiment on the balloon
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> to get the educational element
[15:10] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, have you spoken to the guys who normally do balloons in germany?
[15:10] <jcoxon> asked them what they normally do
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander> E-Mail has been just sent
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander> *just been sent
[15:15] <jcoxon> :-)
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[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> brb
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> Looking like the above launch is scheduled for 16:20
[15:57] <jcoxon> link?
[15:58] <russss> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php
[15:58] <russss> page is a bit flaky
[15:58] <russss> T-21
[15:59] <sbasuita> so what's the mission?
[15:59] <sbasuita> are they going for oribt?
[15:59] <russss> it's fueled for orbit
[15:59] <russss> but they said they'd be happy if they get off the ground :P
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> I think they'd prefer orbit :)
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> Or at least some very concrete result - for example - first stage nominal + stage sep cleanly
[16:00] <russss> yeah
[16:00] <russss> well, Atlas/Centaur took 13 launches before they achieved orbit, so we'll see
[16:01] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> Even the big boys get it wrong.
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> Look at ariane 5.
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> What bitrate is the stream?
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> I've just realised my internets is going at 300k/s
[16:02] <russss> dunno
[16:03] <DanielRichman> the actual stream hasn't started yet has it?
[16:03] <russss> nope
[16:03] <russss> still playing the loop
[16:03] <DanielRichman> holy cow-! it begins.
[16:03] <russss> oh wait
[16:04] <DanielRichman> is it meant to be smoking that much ?
[16:04] <russss> yeah that's just the oxygen boiling off
[16:04] <russss> looks a bit cloudy
[16:04] <sbasuita> why is the feed black and white?
[16:04] <russss> colour for me
[16:05] <DanielRichman> well there are some graphics on top in colour
[16:05] <DanielRichman> but the stream behind is either dull or b&w
[16:05] <russss> I think it's just dull
[16:05] <russss> rocket is white, cloud is white, support structure is white
[16:05] <DanielRichman> :)
[16:06] <russss> ah they've thrown a hold in there just to shake things up
[16:06] <sbasuita> ok i'm confused
[16:06] <DanielRichman> it's actually just marketing; they're doing it for tension -.
[16:06] <russss> marketing hold
[16:06] <Randomskk> lol the downside of commerical spaceflight
[16:06] <sbasuita> they're doing a pretty poor job at marketing with this stream so far ;P
[16:07] <DanielRichman> hey Randomskk
[16:07] <Randomskk> yo
[16:07] <DanielRichman> :O something massive just flew infront of the rocket
[16:07] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yeah a bird
[16:07] <DanielRichman> :)
[16:07] <russss> that's what you get for launching these things in a nature reserve
[16:08] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, sbasuita and I were considering doing what we did to twitter, to the ukhas mailing list
[16:08] <sbasuita> what is the hold thing all about?
[16:08] <russss> there's usually a built-in hold at about T-15-ish
[16:08] <russss> on most vehicles
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> they stop it in order to make sure it's all OK.
[16:08] <russss> which is basically where they wait for final confirmation
[16:08] <jcoxon> sbasuita, its so that everything catch up
[16:08] <russss> on the Shuttle it's T-9
[16:08] <sbasuita> ah right
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> They're basically checking they plugged in all the batteries.
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> And charged the camera.
[16:08] <jcoxon> this stream is pushing my cpu
[16:09] <russss> the shuttle usually holds for 40mins at T-9
[16:09] <DanielRichman> yeah I could make toast on one of my cores jcoxon
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> What bitrate is it>
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> It keeps buffering on me
[16:09] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, I'm receiving at 143KB/s reported by some system manager... not sure if it's bits or bytes
[16:10] <sbasuita> i'm doing about 220KB/s
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> bits?
[16:10] <sbasuita> bytes
[16:10] <sbasuita> B = bytes; b = bits ;)
[16:11] <DanielRichman> you can never be sure sbasuita
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> Ah. No fucking way then.
[16:11] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: well you can when i say it
[16:11] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, 1024 or 1000?
[16:11] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: don't even go there
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> Ah - there is a low quality stream
[16:12] <sbasuita> SpeedEvil: try http://www.spacevidcast.com/ ?
[16:12] <DanielRichman> that's just ustream
[16:12] <sbasuita> yep
[16:13] <jcoxon> ustream doesn't hurt as much
[16:16] <DanielRichman> hmm looks like they're still waiting to get a gps lock
[16:17] <jcoxon> told them tehy should have gone for a ublox rather then a lassen
[16:17] <sbasuita> woo colour :D
[16:20] <russss> heh
[16:21] <russss> here's some marketing
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[16:21] <russss> enough with the marketing. I want technical details.
[16:23] <russss> gah, buffering!
[16:23] <russss> I'm on a 100meg network connection here, it's definitely not me
[16:24] <SpeedEvil> I'm on a 300K network connection here - it's pretty likely me.
[16:30] <russss> less holding, more launching
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[16:35] <SpeedEvil> http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=705
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> oh well
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> radio stream
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> but it works
[16:35] <russss> has that got anything more than the video stream on it?
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> Don't know - as I can't see that.
[16:36] <russss> well there's nothing on both of them at the moment
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[16:43] <russss> there is some chatter on that audio feed which isn't on the webcast
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[16:50] <jcoxon> is it still holding?
[16:50] <russss> yeah
[16:51] <russss> range control telemetry issues
[16:51] <jcoxon> pah they won't launch today
[16:51] <russss> they only got the flight termination system certified yesterday, so it's probably inevitable
[16:52] <russss> it's a 4-hour window, so it lasts till 2000 our time
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[17:00] <russss> FST signal? I think they mean FTS.
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> It's a polish device.
[17:01] <russss> this stream is great
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[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
[17:02] <russss> hi
[17:04] <Lunar_Lander> somebody who listens to the KSC radio link said that they talk about a plane crash
[17:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah, only exercising
[17:05] <russss> the reason they're in hold is because they're having problems with the FTS (Flight Termination System) link
[17:05] <russss> which is kind of required
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> and exactly this FTS had been the issue the past weeks right?
[17:06] <russss> well as I understand it KSC were just being slow in certifying it
[17:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:07] <russss> probably worth making sure it's working properly
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[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon?
[17:08] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, hello
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> I got a reply
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> wait
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[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> the man I wrote is the chairman of the German "Ham Radio at School" club
[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> and they got an insurance for balloon ascents
[17:10] <Lunar_Lander> and Ham in the air is allowed in Germany
[17:11] <jcoxon> great
[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:11] <jcoxon> yeah i've been talking with some of the balloon hams recently
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[17:11] <jcoxon> am recording some english to broadcast off their next balloon
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> oh I forgot that
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> if we can make a cooperation, I could do the flights with their insurance
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> if the flights are under their auspices so to speak
[17:23] <russss> "nothing has been resolved" according to the radio
[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:43] <russss> I think I heard they're going to pick the count up at 1300
[17:43] <russss> (1800)
[17:43] <russss> (BST)
[17:44] <DanielRichman> the Hold clock has frozen
[17:44] <russss> yeah I saw
[17:45] <russss> hold on hold? :P
[17:45] <DanielRichman> hmm mebe the hold clock runs vista
[17:45] <stilldavid> yo dawg, I heard you like...
[17:46] <DanielRichman> ah it's back
[17:49] <russss> sounds a bit like they might hit a weather constraint
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[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> someone told me that Range is Red
[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> from NSF
[17:53] <russss> it's quite difficult to tell from all this chatter
[17:54] <sbasuita> amateur band chatter?
[17:54] <russss> http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=705
[17:54] <sbasuita> ah cool
[17:54] <russss> that seems to be their range control radio channels
[17:55] <russss> I just heard them say range is red, and also the webcast just confirmed it
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> 62 *machine gun*
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:56] <russss> heh
[17:56] <sbasuita> there are police frequency feeds
[17:56] <sbasuita> interesting
[17:56] <russss> there are some pretty impressive accents on this channel
[17:57] <russss> come on, I've got a BBQ to go to!
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[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> Vessel 2 goes five knots!
[17:58] <russss> do they have a ship in the controlled zone?
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> That'll take a while to reach orbit.
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:59] <russss> yeah sounds like there are two ships on the range
[17:59] <russss> stupid shipping traffic
[17:59] <russss> I like the way they refer to them as targets
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> Charlie should forget about the first one and he'll see him on the other side
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> or something like that
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> lol a phone rang
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[18:02] <russss> GET ON WITH IT
[18:02] Action: russss is frustrated
[18:02] <russss> a sailboat?!
[18:03] <russss> get out of the range
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> Charlie 2 is over it
[18:03] <sbasuita> just launch the bloody thing
[18:03] <sbasuita> who cares about some idiotic sailor
[18:05] <DanielRichman> "incercept" it? how difficult can it be; surely all boats have VHF Radios on board
[18:05] <DanielRichman> point your 2m 14element yagi at him to make sure he hears
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> not sailboats perhaps.
[18:05] <sbasuita> well if its a sailboat the dude might be messing around on deck
[18:06] <sbasuita> rather than at the wheel with his radio
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> And they may not have the radio on.
[18:06] <russss> I dunno about the US but in the UK it's not a requirement to have a VHF on a leisure boat
[18:06] <russss> it's recommended.
[18:06] <DanielRichman> mmm it's quite a good idea tbh :P
[18:06] Action: russss has a marine VHF license
[18:06] <DanielRichman> ahh, I see
[18:07] <DanielRichman> russss, do you have a foundation license aswell?
[18:07] <DanielRichman> s/foundation/ham/
[18:07] <russss> nope. I'd like to get one but haven't quite got round to it
[18:07] <russss> trying to organise a course at the london hackspace
[18:07] <sbasuita> if you're not on a boat/plane, what do you call on the radio in an emergency? still mayday?
[18:07] <russss> problem is there aren't any radio clubs in central london
[18:08] <DanielRichman> nah sbasuita you call CQ
[18:08] <russss> well, you're a bit on your own in that case, there's no statutory emergency service in that case
[18:08] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: i wouldn't do that; i'd find some other people talking and break their conversation
[18:08] <russss> too much "in that case"
[18:09] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, yeah that's what break is for
[18:09] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, you have to wait for an over to finish though despite breaking
[18:09] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: no i'd just go over the top ;)
[18:09] <russss> picking up the count at 1715
[18:09] <russss> I hear
[18:09] <sbasuita> :)
[18:10] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, with your 1Watt handheld :P
[18:10] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: might as well try
[18:10] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: this is why you need a widebanded radio
[18:10] <DanielRichman> eh?
[18:10] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: get straight on the police frequencies
[18:10] <DanielRichman> mmm and see if they find it funny
[18:10] <sbasuita> "MY FRIEND IS DYING"
[18:10] <DanielRichman> arn't they encrypted now?
[18:10] <sbasuita> "GO AWAY"
[18:11] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yeah most of them
[18:11] <russss> I was very disappointed that my FT-817 doesn't let me transmit outside the amateur bands (I was trying to transmit on PMR446...)
[18:11] <DanielRichman> russss, depends if you're in the mood for some solder jumpers
[18:11] <russss> (which I am well aware is illegal)
[18:11] <sbasuita> yeah its pretty simple to widebnad
[18:11] <DanielRichman> I think ML&S wideband it for you and then put a new warranty on the result
[18:11] <sbasuita> you can get a shop to do it for a tenner and they'll give you a warranty
[18:12] <DanielRichman> I'm yet to see the point
[18:12] <sbasuita> speaking of 817s.... are you still getting one DanielRichman
[18:12] <russss> I got mine second-hand so I don't have a warranty on it anyway
[18:12] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, yeah
[18:13] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, will order it when there's .75 of a week of exam season left so that it arrives just as we finish
[18:15] <russss> radio says T-15 and counting!
[18:15] <russss> webcast doesn't
[18:15] <russss> oh yes it does
[18:15] <DanielRichman> :o it begins
[18:16] <russss> "report filename
[18:16] <russss> "
[18:16] Action: sbasuita chuckles ($ whois -H microsoft.com | grep "Server\ Name")
[18:16] <G8TMV> count running!
[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> webcast lags behind
[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> the guy says "T-13" on the radio
[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> and it still was 13:10
[18:17] <russss> I don't know if the radio was completely accurate
[18:18] <russss> but yeah, webcasts do lag.
[18:19] <sbasuita> yeah the video is about 15 seconds behind the radio here
[18:19] Action: SpeedEvil wishes there was a lower bw stream.
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> Oh well.
[18:20] <SpeedEvil> radio works
[18:20] <russss> there's spacevidcast, should be a bit lower bitrate
[18:20] <SpeedEvil> yeah - too high
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[18:20] <russss> sucks
[18:24] <russss> internal power
[18:25] <sbasuita> so what are the odds of a massive mid-air explosion?
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[18:25] <russss> nobody really knows
[18:25] <russss> if this is a flawless flight it will be very impressive though
[18:25] <russss> like I said, it took 13 flights to get Atlas/Centaur working
[18:26] <russss> "rotating safe and arm to armed"
[18:27] <russss> T-3
[18:30] <russss> the radio is 15 seconds ahead
[18:30] <DanielRichman> same
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> Woo - I guess.
[18:30] <russss> abort
[18:30] <SpeedEvil> oh
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> engine abort
[18:30] <russss> whoosh
[18:30] <russss> that was cool
[18:30] <DanielRichman> bit of an expensive smoke machine there
[18:31] <russss> heheh
[18:31] <sbasuita> nice
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[18:36] <russss> meh, I think they'll scrub it for today now
[18:36] <russss> they've got 1:40mins left in the window
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[18:36] <russss> 1:20mins even
[18:36] <russss> I'm off to the bbq :P
[18:38] <DanielRichman> they have 1:20mins & a broken rocket
[18:39] <russss> yeah if they can't fix what went wrong in that time there's no point recycling
[18:39] <russss> looks like tomorrow I guess
[18:43] <G8TMV> someone in another window suggested they left the hand-brake on, ala "Grand Day Out"
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:56] <SpeedEvil> woo
[18:56] Action: SpeedEvil looks up the dialing code.
[18:58] <ms7821> integer overflow... again?
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[19:30] <SpeedEvil> Count resumed - t-15:00
[19:31] <DanielRichman> indeed#
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> final attempt for today?
[19:32] <natrium42> spacex?
[19:36] <natrium42> almost forgot about it :)
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> the crap company xD
[19:40] <natrium42> O_O
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[19:45] <DanielRichman> :o it's off
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> there was quite some drift on liftoff
[19:46] <natrium42> grr, my stream is like 2 mins behind
[19:46] <natrium42> somebody narrate :P
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> liftoff actually
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> max-Q
[19:47] <DanielRichman> natrium42, it just exploded in a firey ball of failure
[19:47] <natrium42> O_O
[19:47] <DanielRichman> natrium42, nah not really. It's flying (!)
[19:47] <DanielRichman> live streams from onboard cameras to look forward too
[19:47] <natrium42> i am on crappy university wifi
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> F-U SpaceX!
[19:48] <DanielRichman> Lunar_Lander, what's wrong with them?
[19:48] <junderwood> staged
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> they can't provide a good stream
[19:48] <ms7821> \o/
[19:48] <DanielRichman> separation
[19:49] <DanielRichman> and now stage 2 is working; and apparently the guys @ mission control are happy about it
[19:49] <junderwood> that nozzle looks warm
[19:49] <DanielRichman> marshmallow time
[19:49] <natrium42> maybe it will even make orbit
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> their nozzles heat up so fucking fast
[19:49] <natrium42> that would be major win
[19:50] <junderwood> 4km/s. Getting there
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[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> it has a roll rate
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> but nobody screams
[19:54] <ms7821> nicely
[19:54] <junderwood> result
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> Orbit
[19:54] <DanielRichman> :o
[19:54] <natrium42> \o/
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> Awesome!
[19:54] <natrium42> yeah, incredible
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> The glowing yellow nozzle in spots is a bit scary
[19:55] <natrium42> spacex ftw
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> crap!
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> Promising for the global space program.
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil natrium42 so sorry
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> ?
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> I spoiled it for you :(
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> I saw sort-of, the webcase
[19:57] <DanielRichman> up goes spacex stock
[19:57] <natrium42> what happened?
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> Orbit achieved
[19:57] <natrium42> that's fine, i was reading the spaceflightnow updates anyway
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> Apparantly nominally.
[19:59] <sbasuita> missed it!
[19:59] <sbasuita> and the stream is broken now
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> somebody has probably given Musk "Rocket Design 101" for his birthday
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[21:23] <griffonbot> @vivirjuntos: En #CanalEncuetro: A las 19:00 #HabíaUnaVez y a las 21:30 #6milMillonesDeOtros, no te los pierdas!!! http://bit.ly/bwbIZw [http://twitter.com/vivirjuntos/status/15440402060]
[21:23] <jonsowman> pfft
[21:24] <DanielRichman> hmm you can blame twitter's api for that one
[21:24] <DanielRichman> we asked for #hab, not #hab(.*)
[21:25] <sbasuita> google translate is letting me down here...
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:27] <sbasuita> unicode via bot+screen+irssi+terminal doesn't help either ;P
[21:27] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, is working fine here... well, to a certain extent
[21:29] <Randomskk> getting character encoding working right though everthing is bloody tricky
[21:29] <Randomskk> doesn't help that some fools don't use utf-8
[21:29] <jonsowman> Randomskk: you're still pink
[21:29] <jonsowman> wonder why you changed
[21:29] <DanielRichman> well tbf it's sbasuita's fault since it's fine for me on xchat ;P
[21:30] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, anyway me and sbasuita were looking at possibly coding ukhas mailing list support into griffonbot
[21:30] <DanielRichman> Unfortunately though the google groups RSS feed supports neither ETags nor If-Modified-Since
[21:30] <Randomskk> jonsowman: no fair, you appear blue
[21:31] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: make a mail account
[21:31] <Randomskk> check it with python
[21:31] <DanielRichman> yeah that's option #2
[21:31] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, option #3 is the even cooler postfix pipe-to-command option but that's a bit more of a pain to set up
[21:32] <Randomskk> also debatble if it's even cooler
[21:32] <Randomskk> debatable
[21:33] <jonsowman> Randomskk: done any E/M?
[21:33] <Randomskk> no
[21:33] <jonsowman> same
[21:33] <jonsowman> we've done enough today :)
[21:33] <Randomskk> spent all evening trying to fix this damn thing, find nerf dart, etc
[21:34] <Randomskk> really need to go over the maths too
[21:34] <DanielRichman> actually. sbasuita see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP_IDLE
[21:34] <Randomskk> there are some incredibly retarded algebraic mistakes and I'm not sure why
[21:34] <jonsowman> it didn't go out in the corridor or something when you tried to kill me earlier did it?
[21:34] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, should be able to get messages by push like that
[21:34] <Randomskk> nah was a full clip then lottie fired all 25 against the wall, rebounds everywhere, I got 24 of them
[21:34] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: safe
[21:34] <jonsowman> ah right
[21:34] <Randomskk> it'l turn up
[21:34] <jonsowman> yup
[21:34] <Randomskk> plus if it doesn't 100 more will tomorrow or monday
[21:35] <jonsowman> =D
[21:35] <Randomskk> but it's still a bit annoying
[21:35] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: python imaplib ;P
[21:35] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, does it support IDLE ?
[21:36] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yep
[21:36] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: http://www.cs.usyd.edu.au/~piers/python/imaplib.html
[21:36] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, awesome. same format as stream.py then
[21:36] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, ok you do that I'll make griffonbot an email account :P
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/YOU%27RE_WINNER_trophy.jpg
[21:37] <sbasuita> :)
[21:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, hmm griffonbot... griffonbot + google buzz?
[21:39] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: ?
[21:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, well it was such a shiny offer I couldn't turn it down
[21:39] <sbasuita> i'm confused
[21:39] <sbasuita> oh right
[21:39] <sbasuita> yeah
[21:39] <sbasuita> we can socialise with the bot
[21:39] <sbasuita> party
[21:43] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, OK I think the easiest way to do this is to look for any and every email that has the header Reply-To: ukhas@googlegroups.com
[21:44] <DanielRichman> actually no. Go for Sender: ukhas@googlegroups.com
[21:44] <sbasuita> ok
[21:44] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, although the address should be a config. value :)
[21:44] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, have it delete mails that it deals with
[21:45] <DanielRichman> i'll set up a rule to forward anything that doesn't match that either to Spam or myself; not sure which yet
[21:49] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, It may not be possible to use gmail's filters to select by individual headers, so that's up to the bot :)
[21:49] <DanielRichman> I'm sure imaplib has a forward() function or smth.
[21:50] <sbasuita> DanielRichman:
[21:50] <sbasuita> http://blog.hokkertjes.nl/2009/03/11/python-imap-idle-with-imaplib2/
[21:51] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: can you pm the credentials?
[21:52] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, sure. Large part of that blog's example isn't necessary because we won't be needing the stop() function
[21:52] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yeah but apart from that it does exactly what we need ;)
[21:52] <sbasuita> just going through it in the interpreter now
[21:52] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, ok but the Event stuff is good. I used events somewhere else in griffonbot if you need additional reference
[21:54] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, actually for brevity I think you could even substitute his use of callback for simply self.M.idle(callback=self.event.set)
[21:54] <DanielRichman> & then event.wait()
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