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[09:04] <jcoxon> morning all
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[12:28] <jcoxon> back
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[12:41] Action: jcoxon twiddles his thumbs as he waits for the gumstix build environment to build again
[12:41] <jcoxon> task 583 out of 1279
[12:41] <jcoxon> aarrgghh
[12:41] <GW8RAK> jcoxon - making the most of your freedom now?
[12:44] <jcoxon> indeed
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: Oh - another advantage of AVR/..., I forgot to mention.
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> 'Does not take weeks to build'
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:44] <jcoxon> hehe - that said once its compiled I can make a SSTV payload super fast
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> True
[12:46] <jcoxon> do people think it would be helpful to have zeusbot be able to access twitter stream
[12:46] <jcoxon> before a launch could get it to follow the person who is launching's account
[12:46] <jcoxon> to make an easy way for updates to get through to the channel
[12:46] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, was thinking of that myself a few days ago
[12:46] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, would be super easy
[12:47] <jcoxon> yeah they have a good api
[12:47] <DanielRichman> forex: curl http://stream.twitter.com/1/statuses/filter.json -uuser:pw -d "track=#hab"
[12:47] <DanielRichman> + json parse
[12:47] <jcoxon> oh wow
[12:47] <jcoxon> that easy
[12:48] <DanielRichman> yeah then you just grab one of the premade json parsers
[12:48] <DanielRichman> actually there are some twitter libraries out there too
[12:49] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, zeusbot is eggdrop & tcl right?
[12:49] <jcoxon> uhuh
[12:49] <GW8RAK> I wonder what this conversation is all about? You've lost me totally. :)
[12:49] <GW8RAK> But an SSTV payload would be nice
[12:49] <DanielRichman> 1 result found. Listing results 1 to 1.
[12:49] <DanielRichman> twitter.tcl
[12:49] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, ^^
[12:50] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, perfect
[12:50] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, hehe we are talking about zeusbot - the channel bot who does teh logging
[12:50] <jcoxon> adding twitter stream features
[12:51] <GW8RAK> I'll just accept your word for it. Otherwise I may go off down an interesting route which just takes me away from the payload project.
[12:51] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, it's not a perfect script, could do with some modding
[12:52] <GW8RAK> (doing a quick wiki search for "bot")
[12:52] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, that script seems to poll the api every x seconds rather than use the streaming api
[12:54] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, the bot just keeps the channel open (if we were all to quit) and logs everything we say to http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/zeusbot/
[12:54] <jcoxon> you can add more features as it just runs scripts
[12:55] <GW8RAK> Found that bot stands for robot, hence understand what it is and what it can do. I hope everyone had a good laugh at my ignorance. :)
[12:58] <GW8RAK> But the good news here is that the payload software seems to be coming on well so I can hopefully get the tx module out and start interfacing to that.
[12:58] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, great
[12:58] <jcoxon> its nice when it all comes together
[12:59] <GW8RAK> There's been a few problems with making it fit the UKHAS data format, but particularly in the variable length altittude
[12:59] <GW8RAK> ooops. altitude field.
[12:59] <jcoxon> oh UKHAS is not a fixed variable length format
[12:59] <jcoxon> it can cope with variations
[13:00] <GW8RAK> If I chose the easy way of conforming to the format, it made the altitude bit harder, while if I used the easiest altitude bit, it made other bits harder.
[13:00] <GW8RAK> Ooops. Perhaps I should have asked first.
[13:00] <jcoxon> :-D
[13:00] <GW8RAK> So does it just count commas and work out which field is which?
[13:00] <jcoxon> we should pehaps distinctly add that to the description
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[13:00] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, yes
[13:01] <GW8RAK> Right, well in that case, the software is almost finished!
[13:01] <jcoxon> it tests the variables, such as checking that latitude is a decimal
[13:01] <jcoxon> and can have minimum and maximum variable lengths defined
[13:02] <GW8RAK> With my gps module, all the other relevant fields are fixed length, while the altitude one just reports useable data and doesn't have leading zeroes.
[13:02] <jcoxon> as each payload has its own xml it can be varied appropriately
[13:04] <GW8RAK> I noticed in the description, that it can be varied, but since that involves work for someone else, I thought I'd better stick to the published format.
[13:04] <jcoxon> oh its vary easy work - don't worry about that
[13:05] <jcoxon> once you've got the payload working just send either myself or Rob Harrison an email with a sample telemetry string and if possible a wav file recording and we'll set everything up
[13:05] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, http://www.summercat.com/2010/05/oauth-for-eggdrop-twitter-script.html
[13:06] <GW8RAK> Thanks. I'll have a look at it tonight and see what effects this has on it. Not much I don't think.
[13:12] <GW8RAK> jcoxon, thinking about your gumstix. Since they run linux, could fldigi or other software be installed and automated to rx and tx information?
[13:13] <GW8RAK> I'm thinking of SSTV or for use as a flying repeater.
[13:13] <jcoxon> indeed you could
[13:13] <jcoxon> something like this http://www.ele.uva.es/~jesus/rtty/
[13:13] <jcoxon> rather than fldigi
[13:14] <GW8RAK> Initially, I was quite interested in the gumstix as a flight computer, but I'm not a software person, and it all seemed to get very complicated, very quickly.
[13:14] <jcoxon> its not a 'great' platform
[13:14] <jcoxon> and its not cheap
[13:15] <GW8RAK> I was just taken with the small size.
[13:15] <jcoxon> they are tiny!
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> bifferboard is as small, and much, much cheaper
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> Also lots less capable though
[13:15] <earthshine> morning
[13:16] <jcoxon> morning earthshine
[13:16] <GW8RAK> That is always the limitation. I really need something either very simple, such as the Picaxe chips, or something which has a user interface.
[13:16] <earthshine> not been on here for a while - busy as heck lately
[13:16] <earthshine> signed a contract with Apress to produce an Arduino book so have been busy with that
[13:16] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, ballooning is a step by step hobby
[13:17] <jcoxon> earthshine, that sounds great - perhaps a hab project in there :-p
[13:17] <GW8RAK> Absolutely. That is how I've been going about it, but I'm easily distracted by new toys.
[13:17] <GW8RAK> I've got 3 radio projects on the go at present plus the balloon.
[13:17] <GW8RAK> But I'm getting fed up with repeater building.
[13:18] <earthshine> I think HAB would be a book in itself
[13:18] <jcoxon> there is a hab book for parallax chips i think
[13:18] <GW8RAK> That is available as a download
[13:18] <jcoxon> http://www.parallax.com/html_pages/resources/custapps/app_nearspace.asp
[13:20] <earthshine> link doesnt work
[13:20] <jcoxon> http://www.parallax.com/tabid/567/Default.aspx
[13:21] <earthshine> cool thanks
[13:33] <jcoxon> 990/1279 - getting there...
[13:34] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, re: twitter bot, ideally you want something that uses the streaming api rather than the alternative
[13:38] <DanielRichman> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvRTALJp8DM
[13:41] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, those quadcopters are ridiculous
[13:41] <DanielRichman> I know :P
[13:41] <DanielRichman> I think they had tonnes of cameras on the surrounding walls to help the quadrotors with their navigation though
[13:41] <DanielRichman> but it's still impressive
[13:50] <GW8RAK> Stunning
[13:52] <GW8RAK> I wonder if it can break away from the velcro?
[13:58] <jcoxon> its complete!
[14:04] <DanielRichman> :o
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[15:05] <jcoxon> hooray - gumstix reflashed
[15:07] <DanielRichman> :o nice
[15:08] <DanielRichman> why do you have to build your own environment... why don't gumstix provide one?
[15:08] <jcoxon> they use open embedded
[15:08] <jcoxon> which is a source based environment
[15:09] <DanielRichman> hmm
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[16:16] <tonydron> ?
[16:16] <jcoxon> hello tonydron
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[17:07] <jshriver> no more beer? :)
[17:07] <brennen> i'm back to the coffee end of the cycle. :)
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[17:09] <jshriver> hehe
[17:09] <jshriver> same here
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[17:22] <jshriver> Im curious about dl-fldigi. I decodes the signal on 70cm, but what do you use to transmit? (besides the radio) what kind of packet it is? ax.25 or aprs?
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> It's a FM FSK signal
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> 50 baud rtty
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> well - ascii really
[17:23] <jshriver> ty, looking for good alternatives to aprs for telemetry.
[17:43] <DanielRichman> jcoxon,
[17:44] <jcoxon> wooohooo
[17:44] <jcoxon> gumstix just took a picture :-p
[17:44] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, that JPEG Camera
[17:44] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, this one: http://www.active-robots.com/products/sensors/sparkfun/jpeg-colour-camera-uart-interface.shtml
[17:44] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, can you get data from it in RAW, as well as JPEG?
[17:44] <jcoxon> yup
[17:44] <jcoxon> apparently
[17:45] <DanielRichman> ok coo
[17:45] <jcoxon> have a look at the manual though
[17:45] <jcoxon> and also: http://forum.sparkfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=17119
[17:46] <jcoxon> actually here is my list of links: http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:pegasus7#links
[17:46] <jcoxon> most are about the c328 though some are gumstix related
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[17:49] <DanielRichman> ok
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[21:28] <russss> oh, it must be nice flying balloons in a country with no clouds http://spacebits.eu/page/flight1photos.html
[21:28] <russss> downward-facing cameras ftw
[21:29] <sbasuita> whoa
[21:29] <sbasuita> that scenery is beautiful
[21:30] <sbasuita> http://spacebits.eu/uploads/spacephoto17.jpg <--- that plane is the icing on the cake :)
[21:31] <stilldavid> yeah, they seem to have gotten a few planes on camera
[21:31] <stilldavid> not sure if I'd be worried about that
[21:31] <russss> they don't seem to mention anything about aviation authority approval
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[21:45] <stilldavid> http://vimeo.com/8285711
[21:45] <stilldavid> I wonder if something like that would work on a balloon
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> random - anyone happen to know of a low power GPS with a PPS out?
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> yes, quite possible
[21:48] <russss> that's a neat looking piece of kit
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