[00:05] <LazyLeopard> It certainly showed how windy it was at the site.
[00:07] <LazyLeopard> A slight tilt in elevation to show a bit more sky and a bit less grass might have made the release easier to see, or maybe not. With the wind the way it was I expect it fair flew out of the launcher's hands...
[00:09] <LazyLeopard> ...but it's fun to see the streams from the launch. :)
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[00:15] <ContraSF> hey...today 4 guys here in Portugal finally launched an high altitude ballon on the south of the country.
[00:16] <ContraSF> http://a.yfrog.com/img412/156/urey.jpg
[00:16] <ContraSF> A view from Sagres, the most southwestern point of continental Europe.
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[00:21] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:23] <SpeedEvil> That is an unusually clear sky
[00:25] <SpeedEvil> how far from the sea did it land?
[00:38] <SpeedEvil> Hmm
[00:39] <SpeedEvil> if google-earth is right - that is a quite cropped/zoomed in shot
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[00:45] <ContraSF> I'm not sure, really. They have a website up: http://spacebits.eu
[00:46] <SpeedEvil> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=35.348728,-11.883174&z=11&t=h&hl=en
[00:46] <SpeedEvil> err
[00:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/view2.jpeg i mean
[00:47] <SpeedEvil> Is pretty close
[00:48] <ContraSF> Exactly
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[00:48] <ContraSF> It's Sagres, Portugal :)
[00:48] <ContraSF> Not Spain.
[01:16] <ContraSF> They found it 10 hours ago it seems: http://a.yfrog.com/img693/8710/vapx.jpg
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[07:59] <rjharrison> any one have any experiance with IR
[08:00] <rjharrison> I'm hoping to RC my Zi8 using an IR triggered by atmel
[08:00] <rjharrison> LED
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[09:53] <earthshine> morning
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[10:33] Nick change: G8KHW -> RocketBoy
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> you know about TV remote recievrers?
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[10:38] <SpeedEvil> rjharrison: they are nice and sensitive and make this easy
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[11:18] <SpeedEvil> rjharrison: Also quite light - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961876
[11:21] <Jasperw> has anyone tried the alpha FSK radio modules from maplin: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=267236 ?
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[11:34] <earthshine> for what purpose ?
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> Jasperw: integrated recievers - especially those costing 3.99 - tend to be quite noist
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> y
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> Which will reduce range - as will the 256K datarate
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> get teh datasheet
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> look at the minimum signal
[11:41] <Jasperw> i was helping someone set some up last night, the datasheet is a bit ambiguous on how to get data out of the receiver, i know you guys worked with similar modules and wondered if you'd tried them, thats all. (It's only for short range indoor stuff).
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[13:43] <edmoore> good afternoon all
[13:43] <Randomskk> hi edmoore
[13:44] <edmoore> how's it going? started yet?
[13:44] <jonsowman> not till day after tomorrow
[13:44] <Randomskk> paper 1 tomorrow, 2 on thurs, 3 on mon, 4 on tue
[13:44] <jonsowman> Randomskk: tomorrow is tuesday
[13:44] <jonsowman> happily
[13:44] <Randomskk> uh
[13:45] <Randomskk> by tomorrow I do mean wednesday
[13:45] <Randomskk> excellent
[13:45] <edmoore> right
[13:45] <edmoore> well gluck
[13:45] <Randomskk> cheers :P
[13:45] <jonsowman> thanks
[13:45] <Randomskk> how's the thesis going/gone?
[13:53] <edmoore> gone
[13:53] <Randomskk> so you are now a free man?
[13:54] <edmoore> well, I have to give a ten minute talk on the project on Wednesday
[13:54] <edmoore> but that shouldnt present too many challenges
[13:54] <Randomskk> sounds good
[13:54] <Randomskk> planning on launching it?
[13:55] <edmoore> yep, though i think priority will be rocket test stand
[13:55] <Randomskk> cool
[13:55] <edmoore> I've really got the rocket bug in the last month
[13:55] <edmoore> we really need to get this thing flown
[13:55] <Randomskk> yup
[13:55] <Randomskk> it's amazing how much more excited you can get about things when there are exams in progress
[13:55] <Randomskk> exciting new predictor web interface
[13:56] <jonsowman> edmoore: Randomskk and I have been working on a new predictor GUI
[13:56] <jonsowman> http://www.hexoc.com/hab/predict/predict
[13:56] <edmoore> nice
[13:56] <Randomskk> try hitting run prediction
[13:56] <edmoore> though def would recommend cronning the wind data a priori
[13:56] <Randomskk> it actually has a progress bar now ;o
[13:57] <Randomskk> yea, playing with that
[13:57] <Randomskk> atm it's using the GFS data via pydap
[13:57] <Randomskk> which theoretically has a cache
[13:57] <Randomskk> but doesn't seem to work
[13:57] <edmoore> hrm, well good luck. I guess torturously wating it download will do for now
[13:57] <edmoore> it's crashed with 3 secs remeianing
[13:57] <Randomskk> will probably get it to use same gfs data as hourly-preds
[13:58] <Randomskk> since that'l have all the UK covered for the following week anyway
[13:58] <edmoore> can't hide the debug window when it shoots off the top of the page :)
[13:58] <jonsowman> yeh lots of things still to fix and debug
[13:58] <Randomskk> yea it does need some work for little screens :P
[13:58] <edmoore> but yep, it's crashed at 3s to go
[13:58] <Randomskk> curious
[13:59] <jonsowman> Randomskk: 304 not modified...
[13:59] <Randomskk> python die?
[13:59] <edmoore> just says 'currently running predictor' on the debug screen every sec
[14:00] <Randomskk> predictor itself takes something less than a second to run usually
[14:01] <jonsowman> fixed
[14:01] <jonsowman> sorry i broke ajax.php
[14:01] <Randomskk> ah :P
[14:01] <jonsowman> hard refresh and run again
[14:01] <jonsowman> should be fine now
[14:01] <Randomskk> should autofix if it's still hitting ajax.php
[14:02] <edmoore> cool, works
[14:04] <Randomskk> ideally get pydap's cache to work and it'd be really nice
[14:04] <Randomskk> it'd end up caching everything the hourly-pred gets, plus caching other things as people hit them but automatically expiring once new data is available
[14:04] <Randomskk> however it doesn't work, so...
[14:06] <edmoore> details
[14:06] <edmoore> a proj for after zams
[14:07] <Randomskk> quite
[14:07] <Randomskk> along with many others :P
[14:07] <edmoore> joy :)
[14:07] <Randomskk> most of my summer is consumed by industrial experience though, =(
[14:08] <edmoore> where are you working?
[14:09] <Randomskk> journey dynamics, software company in guildford
[14:09] <edmoore> what do they do?
[14:09] <Randomskk> c++ and ruby to analyse gps datasets of people driving to work out driver behaviour and do computations to work out things like traffic levels and stuff
[14:09] <edmoore> cool
[14:10] <Randomskk> basically they do maths on gps datasets
[14:10] <edmoore> you get to do ruby
[14:10] <Randomskk> yea it sounds fairly fun
[14:10] <edmoore> so then you can rewrite the cusf site in ruby on rails
[14:10] <Randomskk> they also use git and are going to try pair programming apparnetly
[14:10] <edmoore> and grow your hair long
[14:10] <Randomskk> and then rant about how perfect ruby is and how inferior everything else is?
[14:10] <Randomskk> secretly I prefer python
[14:10] <edmoore> and how agile methods should be apllied to everything
[14:10] <edmoore> the NHS
[14:10] <edmoore> government
[14:10] <edmoore> whatever
[14:10] <Randomskk> hehe
[14:11] <Randomskk> yea I want the law under version control
[14:11] <edmoore> and then use twitter to turn yourself into a cult
[14:11] <edmoore> basically, you'll become hashrocket or 37signals or 93bananas or whatever
[14:11] <Randomskk> and then nothing I did would scale and it'd be sad times all around
[14:11] <edmoore> it's because scaling is bad though
[14:11] <edmoore> not because RoR is wrong
[14:11] <Randomskk> of course
[14:12] <Randomskk> those people don't deserve to use my webapp
[14:12] <edmoore> although I do think pair programming is A Good Thing
[14:12] <edmoore> I remmber about the most fun I've had at CUSF was a coupe of years ago when fergus and I did pair everything
[14:12] <Randomskk> it will certainly be interesting to experience
[14:12] <edmoore> pcb design, programming, soldering
[14:12] <Randomskk> yea
[14:12] <Randomskk> hehe
[14:12] <Randomskk> also quite productive
[14:13] <edmoore> we should do it more, it's such a good way of bringing everyone up to a roughly similar level in everyone's skillsets
[14:13] <Randomskk> plus gets lots of stuff done
[14:13] <edmoore> I'd love to paiur with someone who really knew python as mine is really rudimentary
[14:13] <edmoore> for sure yes
[14:13] <edmoore> and you don't get RSI cos regular breaks for your hands are built in
[14:13] <Randomskk> I want to look at doing the predictor in python rather than C, then having it fetch gfs data it needs as it predicts, but it's hard to say if that's any advantage
[14:14] <edmoore> as an asside, GNU screen really is one of the best things ever
[14:14] <Randomskk> tbh downloading the UK's worth of wind data every six hours and just running on that'd be quicker
[14:14] <Randomskk> yes, screen is fantastic
[14:14] <Randomskk> especially multiuser sessions
[14:14] <Randomskk> jonsowman and I did that for the cued C++ thing
[14:14] <edmoore> it's one of those things that isn't tought as a basic of unix, but really should be
[14:14] <Randomskk> it's such a useful tool
[14:14] <edmoore> split screens are great too
[14:14] <Randomskk> git: also fantastic
[14:14] <Randomskk> yup
[14:14] <edmoore> agreed
[14:14] <Randomskk> also vim
[14:15] <edmoore> vim + git = joy
[14:15] <jonsowman> :)
[14:15] <edmoore> although saying it makes you sound like a RoR disciple
[14:15] <Randomskk> that's the only unfortunate bit
[14:15] <Randomskk> however all the real RoRs use textmate on their macs
[14:15] <edmoore> vim + git + screen. W should get a CUSF didicated server
[14:15] <edmoore> could be everyone's dev machine
[14:16] <Randomskk> pretty easily done, linode.com/slicehost.com/a computer brought into cued and networked up
[14:16] <Randomskk> I have a spare computer at home that'd do nicely
[14:16] <edmoore> and run virtual servers for all our stuff, like predictor, file server and so on. think how hip that would make us
[14:16] <jonsowman> haha
[14:16] <Randomskk> 512 ram, amd operaton or something, few hundred gig disk
[14:16] <Randomskk> we would be super hip
[14:16] <edmoore> pah, you want like 12GB of ram to run virtualisation
[14:16] <edmoore> and we want to run virtualisation, right?
[14:16] <Randomskk> of course.
[14:16] <jonsowman> linode 14400
[14:16] <Randomskk> tbh though
[14:16] <edmoore> othrwise we'd be Doing It Wrong
[14:16] <Randomskk> CUSF cloud
[14:17] <jonsowman> haha
[14:17] <Randomskk> just buy loads of cloud servers
[14:17] <Randomskk> hosting your own hardware is so 1990
[14:17] <edmoore> cheap though when CUED has a 100MBIt free net connection
[14:17] <Randomskk> amazon ec2 instances to run the predictor I think
[14:17] <Randomskk> did you see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10187248.stm ?
[14:17] <edmoore> and there are just Gigabytes and Giabytes of CUSF media that need to be stored somewhere
[14:17] <Randomskk> I especially like the By OS tab
[14:18] <DanielRichman> :)
[14:18] <edmoore> haha
[14:18] <Randomskk> there are like, six windows ones
[14:18] <edmoore> brb
[14:18] <Randomskk> right jonsowman we should probably mark this paper
[14:19] <jonsowman> yup
[14:19] <jonsowman> come up now if you want
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[16:12] <SpeedEvil> What is ttff with the lassen-iq, and it cold?
[16:16] <DanielRichman> wait, what? http://www.churchillcambridge.co.uk/
[16:16] <Randomskk> oh lol
[16:17] <Randomskk> you want http://www.chu.cam.ac.uk
[16:17] <DanielRichman> nah I saw the url in ed's host
[16:17] <Randomskk> yea, I know
[16:17] <Randomskk> their rdns aiui
[16:17] <Randomskk> for external connections
[16:17] <DanielRichman> mmm interesting homepage
[16:17] <Randomskk> I doubt that's entirely intentional
[16:18] <DanielRichman> true
[16:18] <Randomskk> on the other hand
[16:18] <Randomskk> that is the best 'page blocked' page I've ever seen
[16:18] <DanielRichman> yeah it trumps our school's blocked page easily :D
[16:18] <Randomskk> on the other, other hand: I didn't know they blocked any pages, possibly just from the shared computer rooms or something
[16:18] <jonsowman> hey Randomskk you've gone pink
[16:18] <Randomskk> what no D:
[16:18] <DanielRichman> hmm have to ask ed but the last line could imply that you can choose to have your internet filtered if you're the easily distracted type
[16:19] <DanielRichman> speaking of which, why the reversed name?
[16:19] <Randomskk> ooh, quite possibly
[16:22] <jonsowman> Randomskk: run the predictor :)
[16:22] <Randomskk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tacsV4PVmCw
[16:22] <jonsowman> make sure to leave the Debug window open as the pred finished
[16:22] <jonsowman> *finishes
[16:23] <Randomskk> hahaha very snazzy
[16:23] <Randomskk> awesome
[16:23] <jonsowman> :)
[16:27] <DanielRichman> is it meant to download the GFS every time or are you going to change that later on?
[16:28] <eroomde> I'm feeling backwards
[16:28] <jonsowman> yeh you look it
[16:28] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: it's meant to but we will be changing that
[16:28] <eroomde> also I may shift to eroomde as edmoore is already taken on twitter, flickr, github etc
[16:28] <Randomskk> it's just a bit tricky to work out the best way to cache the gfs
[16:28] <Randomskk> there are... options
[16:29] <DanielRichman> I see
[16:30] <Randomskk> but yea
[16:30] <Randomskk> the predictor itself is near instant
[16:30] <Randomskk> so once it's caching gfs it'l be super fast
[16:30] <DanielRichman> is the predictor itself still C?
[16:30] <Randomskk> yes
[16:30] <Randomskk> for the time being
[16:30] <Randomskk> if I can't get the pydap cache to work, I'll just have it download data to cover the UK and surrounds automatically, and then anything not in the UK would download every time
[16:30] <Randomskk> but since most predictions are going to be UK...
[16:31] <Randomskk> right now it downloads way more data than needed
[16:31] <Randomskk> which is my other thought: a pythonic predictor that downloads data in small chunks as the balloon enters that area
[16:31] <Randomskk> the efficiency of that depends on the download overheads though, may be quicker to just download loads of data
[16:32] <jonsowman> debug window prettier and stops at 400px height with scrollbars
[16:32] <jonsowman> also auto-scrolls to bottom on append
[16:32] <sbasuita> is the pred in php
[16:32] <sbasuita> ?
[16:32] <jonsowman> C
[16:32] <sbasuita> sorry i meant the web interface
[16:33] <sbasuita> (the new one)
[16:33] <Randomskk> php+js
[16:33] <Randomskk> also python
[16:33] <DanielRichman> :P
[16:33] <jonsowman> lots of jquery :)
[16:33] <Randomskk> there's a python script that handles gfs downloading and running the C predictor
[16:33] <Randomskk> a lot of JS
[16:33] <Randomskk> and some php to stick the JS together
[16:33] <Randomskk> haha it's so weird
[16:33] <Randomskk> the PHP calls unix `at` to schedule the python script to be run now
[16:33] <eroomde> quite a beast that rjw57 wrote
[16:33] <Randomskk> PHP can't run a job in the background
[16:33] <Randomskk> easily
[16:33] <Randomskk> but it can run at very easily
[16:34] <Randomskk> and then at runs the job. nice.
[16:34] <jonsowman> it's not *too* hacky
[16:34] <jonsowman> though it is a bit
[16:34] <Randomskk> yea
[16:34] <eroomde> anyone used a wanky split keyboard before?
[16:34] <Randomskk> though I still want it all python one of these days :3
[16:34] <jonsowman> but it works properly and neatly
[16:34] <Randomskk> eroomde: my friend had one, it was just awkward
[16:34] <eroomde> I gave myself rsi doing a 48-hour continuous typing binge for my thesis
[16:34] <Randomskk> I imagine after you use them a lot it gets better or something
[16:34] <Randomskk> ouch
[16:34] <eroomde> and the doctor says i'm too wide for noral keyboards
[16:34] <eroomde> normal*
[16:34] <Randomskk> sounds like you need a wanky split keyboard
[16:35] <eroomde> this is what he said, but they're not cheap
[16:35] <Randomskk> you have a dremel
[16:35] <eroomde> was thinking the kenesis freestyle with the vip accessory
[16:35] <sbasuita> wtf is the point in this? http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/solo-ascent-90_512x390.jpg
[16:36] <eroomde> if you want to be 1337
[16:36] <Randomskk> type sideways
[16:36] <russss> it's meant to be a more natural typing posture with your hands vertical
[16:36] <eroomde> or maybe want to sandwich your monitor with your keyboard
[16:36] <Randomskk> you could also sandwich your body with your keyboard
[16:36] <sbasuita> yeah but the you have nothing to rest your hands on
[16:36] <eroomde> i'm not sure mine are comfortable at completely vertical
[16:36] <Randomskk> and just type on the outside of your thighs
[16:36] <eroomde> but certainly not flight
[16:36] <russss> I wouldn't get on with these split keyboards. I don't touch-type in a normal manner.
[16:36] <Randomskk> you can get vertical mice too
[16:37] <eroomde> if i just hold my hands out infront of me in a completely relaxed way, they do naturally form this position: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2207/1531298948_824a709317.jpg?v=0
[16:37] <russss> these ones are meant to be very good, but they're also crazy expensive. http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/kb_adv-blk720x471.jpg
[16:38] <eroomde> yeah i've written those ones off on cost grounds
[16:38] <Randomskk> they look crazy
[16:38] <Randomskk> though
[16:38] <Randomskk> function keys
[16:38] <Randomskk> ew
[16:38] <Randomskk> http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/kb_adv-pro_met720x471.jpg
[16:39] <Randomskk> looks like pressing escape, Fn etc would be a bit of a pain in the arse
[16:39] <russss> I don't think it is, you don't have to move your fingers far at all
[16:39] <Randomskk> hmm
[16:39] <Randomskk> would have to try one I guess
[16:39] <Randomskk> still I am happy enough with this thing for now
[16:39] <eroomde> i am going to see if anyone in the depatment has one and wouldn't mind letting me have a play
[16:40] <eroomde> RSI isn't worth it
[16:40] <Randomskk> no
[16:40] <eroomde> if I had to give up paino i'd scream and scream and scream until I'm sthick
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> There are alternatives.
[16:41] <sbasuita> eroomde: like in little miss sunshine when the dude realises he's not colourblind?
[16:41] <sbasuita> i mean he is
[16:41] <sbasuita> >_>
[16:41] <eroomde> SpeedEvil: go on
[16:41] <jonsowman> heh that film is weird
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Busking_Accordionist.jpg
[16:42] <jonsowman> irssi link fail
[16:42] <Randomskk> not irssi
[16:42] <Randomskk> gnome-terminal
[16:42] <Randomskk> doesn't do : in URIs properly
[16:42] <jonsowman> ah
[16:42] <Randomskk> very, very annoying
[16:42] <jonsowman> shame
[16:42] <Randomskk> should be configurable but configuration is broken
[16:42] <DanielRichman> patch it!
[16:42] <Randomskk> apparently a : is technically not valid
[16:42] <Randomskk> there's a bug open and several patches
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> http%3A//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Busking_Accordionist.jpg
[16:43] <sbasuita> works fine from terminator (switched to it recently)
[16:43] <sbasuita> also terminator flashses the window list
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> (no, that won't work)
[16:43] <sbasuita> for irssi
[16:43] <sbasuita> :)
[16:43] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, now you've broken my xchat
[16:43] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: the : in the File:Busking
[16:43] <Randomskk> not the http:
[16:43] <Randomskk> otherwise no links would work :P
[16:43] <DanielRichman> :P
[16:43] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:44] <Randomskk> pretty much only an issue on wikis
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3ABusking_Accordionist.jpg
[16:44] <Randomskk> <3
[16:44] <jonsowman> yay
[16:44] <jonsowman> \o/
[16:44] <Randomskk> however that guy would probably also have issues if he had RSI?
[16:44] <Randomskk> sbasuita: terminator eh?
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> Randomskk: I was going on the 'split keyboard' idea - and expanding to musical instruments
[16:44] <sbasuita> Randomskk: yeah it does splits as well
[16:45] <eroomde> terminator looks like gnu screen split to me
[16:45] <sbasuita> i've never bothered to learn how to use screen properly
[16:45] <eroomde> it's SOOOOOOOOOOOO good
[16:45] <jonsowman> screen is great
[16:46] <Randomskk> screen is fantastic
[16:46] <Randomskk> terminator seems quite nice but I have an annoying red bar at the top
[16:46] <eroomde> it's just a joy
[16:46] <Randomskk> even if I turn that off, I get a 2px bar or so
[16:46] <sbasuita> Randomskk: yeha you can change the colour
[16:46] <sbasuita> i have it brown so it blends in with ubuntu ;P
[16:46] <eroomde> i can shell into any server and get vim + matlab + terminal all through one instance of putty on the windows clients in the lab
[16:46] <eroomde> it's a JOY
[16:46] <jonsowman> Randomskk: http:/www.linode.com ?
[16:46] <Randomskk> jonsowman: see #linode
[16:47] <Randomskk> problem in dallas dc
[16:47] <Randomskk> network
[16:47] <Randomskk> they're on it
[16:47] <jonsowman> ah ok
[16:47] <jonsowman> cool
[16:47] <Randomskk> also you missed a /
[16:47] <jonsowman> so i did
[16:47] <Randomskk> brb laundry
[16:47] <Randomskk> launwet more like given the state of our dryers
[16:47] Action: Randomskk gets his coat
[16:48] Action: jonsowman dies a bit
[16:49] Action: fsphil cries
[16:49] <eroomde> right bbl
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[16:54] <Randomskk> =D
[16:55] Action: fsphil is installing Fedora 13 on a pretty old thinkpad .. want see how well dl-fldigi works on it, or not
[16:55] <DanielRichman> fldigi has this slow-cpu mode
[16:56] <fsphil> I saw that but wasn't sure what it did -- I assume I'm loosing something in that mode
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> It worked OK on the n900.
[16:59] <SpeedEvil> Which is quite slow.
[17:00] <sbasuita> yeah you can fiddle with the algorithm
[17:00] <DanielRichman> fsphil, main.cxx:317
[17:00] <DanielRichman> it just swaps out SRC_{SINC_{{BEST,MEDIUM}_QUALITY,FASTEST},LINEAR}
[17:03] <fsphil> will give that a go .. it's nearly finished installing now
[17:03] <DanielRichman> its automatic
[17:03] <DanielRichman> at startup it checks out how fast your cpu is
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[17:21] <fsphil> bah, it installed it in text mode
[17:30] <fsphil> and now the laptop's locked up
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[17:45] <fsphil> SpeedEvil, any flaws with the N900 -- I'm very tempted
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[18:03] <m0tek> test
[18:03] <G8TMV> fail
[18:03] <m0tek> ta
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[18:58] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: It has only one pointer shipped with it
[19:05] <fsphil|t23> ah, that could be annoying. replacements easy to come by?
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> now, yes, ebay
[19:18] <SpeedEvil> pretty much everything can be done by fingers
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[20:01] <eroomde> hi RocketBoy. re: your email, yes any time
[20:08] <LazyLeopard> Any luck retrieving yesterday's payload?
[20:15] <natrium42> eroomde == dyslexic edmoore?
[20:17] <eroomde> backwards infact
[20:17] <eroomde> tcafni sdrawkcab
[20:18] <natrium42> sdrawkcab lol si lol, lol
[20:19] <DanielRichman> raj emordnilap eht nepo t'nod
[20:19] <eroomde> tad eurt
[20:20] <natrium42> too late etal oot
[20:20] <eroomde> madam I'm adam sdrawkcab si mada m'I madam
[20:21] <DanielRichman> dnah yb siht od naht )egakcap `xunil-litu` eht fo trap( `ver` dnammoc eht esu ot reisae s'ti tsenoh eb ot
[20:21] <eroomde> right so anyway yes it's edmoore backwards and now I'm going to carry on battling python.
[20:24] <fsphil|t23> erkk
[20:24] <fsphil|t23> oops, hit the keyboard - don't mind me
[20:25] <eroomde> fsphil, what's a t23?
[20:25] <eroomde> a ghetto thinkpad?
[20:25] <fsphil|t23> old ibm thinkpad
[20:25] <fsphil|t23> I thought I'd spiffy it up a bit with fedora 13
[20:26] <fsphil|t23> only got 256mb ram and it's sooo slow
[20:26] <eroomde> might make a good listening station/gloabl tuner or something
[20:26] <eroomde> gloabl*
[20:26] <eroomde> gah
[20:26] <eroomde> global*
[20:26] <eroomde> this RSI is a pig
[20:27] <eroomde> using funny finger combos
[20:27] <fsphil|t23> yea, I'm thinking of setting it up for the chase car
[20:27] <fsphil|t23> get an old radio and magmount
[20:27] <eroomde> eee pcs are the fashionable thing for chases, darling
[20:27] <fsphil|t23> haha, I have one but the battery is a joke
[20:28] <fsphil|t23> could get a car adapter I suppose
[20:28] <fsphil|t23> rjharrison has a cool bracket for his eeepc to mount it on the dash
[20:28] <eroomde> I have the same one
[20:29] <eroomde> although one of the sides snapped off without much provocation
[20:29] <eroomde> nothing some aradlite and carbon fibre didn't fix but still not very reassuring build quality
[20:29] <fsphil|t23> what model is it? My google-foo failed to find anything
[20:30] <eroomde> hrm, not god knows. I bought this like a year ago and all the original packaging is long since gone
[20:31] <fsphil|t23> ah I keep packaging. my attic is full of boxes I have absoultly no need for
[20:31] <eroomde> ok any pythonic people in?
[20:31] <eroomde> eg Randomskk
[20:31] <eroomde> or anyone
[20:32] <sbasuita> eroomde: there are 800 pythonic people in #python ;)
[20:33] <eroomde> yes but that's not so good for more in-depth questions
[20:33] <sbasuita> well, personally i'd go for it since its dead in there
[20:36] <eroomde> i think it's not a goer
[20:37] <sbasuita> eroomde: what's the question anyway?
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[20:41] <eroomde> ok so i want to generate the matrix G here: http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2014/lateximage1.jpg
[20:41] <sbasuita> @.@
[20:41] <eroomde> I have a function which is passed all the necessary paramaters, but I'm wondering if there's a more 'pythonic' way of generating it than just with for loops? eg list comprehensions?
[20:42] <eroomde> i did it with for-loops in matlab but I'm using this re-write as an excuse to *get* python
[20:42] <sbasuita> well if you're making a list in a for loop then you want to do list comprehension
[20:43] <eroomde> sure, but the default numpy type is an array and I'm not sure if list comps work with multi-dimensional arrays
[20:44] <eroomde> i'll do it with loops for the mo.
[20:44] <sbasuita> eroomde: you can nest list comprehensions
[20:45] <eroomde> numpy list comprehension
[20:45] <eroomde> ignore that
[20:48] <eroomde> ok so it's possible but dangerous
[20:49] <eroomde> numpy arrays are fixed length and list comps will work if you're sure the dimensions are consistant but there'll be a big fail if they're not.
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[21:46] <eroomde> greetings DarkCow
[21:47] <DarkCow> ah hi
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[23:08] <m0tek> sbasuita, ok so this is sexy
[23:08] <m0tek> I implemented it with for loops
[23:08] <Randomskk> for loops!
[23:08] <m0tek> for a representative matrix, it takes 8.54ms to generate
[23:08] <m0tek> then with numpy's r_ and c_, it's cut down to 0.74ms to generate
[23:08] <m0tek> cool huh?
[23:09] <Randomskk> numpy is great
[23:09] <Randomskk> I reckon a python predictor could work
[23:09] <m0tek> just use swig
[23:09] <Randomskk> was also thinking that, if native python didn't work
[23:09] <Randomskk> or at least some form of C extension
[23:10] <m0tek> there's no point porting the basic c algorithm to python, it'd just make it 1000 times slower
[23:10] <sbasuita> what about a functional approach?
[23:10] <Randomskk> the only sad part is losing cross platform compatibility
[23:10] <Randomskk> also things like GAE
[23:10] <m0tek> GAE?
[23:10] <sbasuita> m0tek: google app engine
[23:11] <Randomskk> runs python
[23:11] <Randomskk> doesn't run C
[23:11] <sbasuita> or java
[23:11] <Randomskk> yea, but I don't like java :P
[23:12] <sbasuita> are there any plans to unify the hourly-predictor and the one-off predictor?
[23:12] <Randomskk> yea
[23:12] <sbasuita> :)
[23:12] <Randomskk> http://www.hexoc.com/hab/predict/predict/
[23:12] <Randomskk> both are now using the same C predictor and the same weather data through the same python script
[23:13] <Randomskk> (^ is jonsowman)
[23:13] <Randomskk> further unification is planned
[23:13] Action: Randomskk also wants to see integration with the tracker
[23:14] Action: jonsowman agrees
[23:15] <Randomskk> jonsowman: can we get a scale on the map?
[23:15] <jonsowman> make a github issue for it
[23:15] <sbasuita> can we have terrain mode by defualt?
[23:15] <jonsowman> pretty sure it's easy with the GMaps API
[23:16] <jonsowman> sbasuita: we could. it's not as clear though
[23:16] <jonsowman> it's easy enough to switch
[23:16] <sbasuita> hmm i prefer it
[23:16] <sbasuita> yeah fair enough
[23:16] <sbasuita> whatever most people want
[23:16] <Randomskk> hmm
[23:16] <Randomskk> terrain mode is pretty nice
[23:16] <jonsowman> i dont mind either way really
[23:16] <jonsowman> make an issue for it if you like :)
[23:17] <Randomskk> it is easy to switch though
[23:17] <Randomskk> dunno
[23:20] <m0tek> how is kithub for issue/bug tracking?
[23:20] <m0tek> git*
[23:20] <Randomskk> quick and very simple
[23:20] <m0tek> cool
[23:20] <Randomskk> it doesn't go in for lots of features and won't replace a full issue tracker if that's what you need
[23:21] <Randomskk> but otoh it is very easy, simple, and you can close issues with "closes #12" in the commit, which links the issue to that commit
[23:21] <Randomskk> you can make lists of things to do, comment on them, close them as needed, reopen if appropriate, that's about it
[23:21] <m0tek> I need the simple thing, only, that's fine
[23:21] <Randomskk> exactly, I like it for that reason
[23:22] <Randomskk> it does everything I want it to
[23:22] <Randomskk> I'd like to be able to make separate lists or at least tag issues, that'd be nice
[23:22] Action: Randomskk used ditz before github issues, also fun
[23:22] <sbasuita> i can see a 'label' box on the right of the interface, but dunno how to interact with it
[23:22] <Randomskk> http://ditz.rubyforge.org/
[23:22] <sbasuita> presumably an admin feature
[23:22] <Randomskk> oh yea.
[23:22] <Randomskk> you can label issues.
[23:22] <Randomskk> wow.
[23:23] <Randomskk> great :D
[23:26] <Randomskk> oops. they don't strip / from label names, but that breaks it
[23:32] <jonsowman> heh i can manually set the radius of the earth for gmaps
[23:32] <Randomskk> lol what
[23:32] <Randomskk> set it to jupiter
[23:32] <jonsowman> lol
[23:33] <m0tek> when ubuntu's keyboard 'typing break' comes up, can I make it bugger off or do i actually have to wait?
[23:33] <m0tek> what if it's a balloon chase?
[23:33] <m0tek> what if I'm being hacked?
[23:33] <Randomskk> I imagine there are ways to make it bugger off.
[23:33] <m0tek> i want to keep it on for the most part but occassionally I can see it could lead to disaster
[23:33] <Randomskk> I have enabled
[23:33] <Randomskk> it will apply any second now.
[23:33] <Randomskk> will report back, maybe
[23:34] <Randomskk> still okay
[23:34] <Randomskk> come on, lock already, I could have RSId by now
[23:34] <Randomskk> any second now by my count
[23:35] <DanielRichman> locked screen?
[23:35] <DanielRichman> ctrl alt f1; log in; send it a SIGKILL to tell it who's boss
[23:35] <Randomskk> so
[23:35] <Randomskk> yes
[23:35] <Randomskk> it is locked quite properly
[23:35] <Randomskk> no cancel button
[23:35] <Randomskk> but I can ctrl+alt+f1 as DanielRichman suggests and ssh, screen
[23:35] <Randomskk> could also sigkill the bugger
[23:35] <DanielRichman> :P
[23:35] <Randomskk> however, m0tek there is a postpone option
[23:35] <m0tek> nuclear option
[23:36] <m0tek> sure but it catches you by surprise
[23:36] <DanielRichman> nah the nuclear option is the plugpull
[23:36] <DanielRichman> and hope that whatever program you were using backs up nicely
[23:36] <Randomskk> postponing gives you a little button
[23:36] <Randomskk> press it to unbreak
[23:36] <Randomskk> you'd have to keep doing it every now and again
[23:36] <DanielRichman> hmm the article suggests dvorak
[23:37] <Randomskk> dvorak is apparently better but ultimately you're still moving your wrists and stuff lots
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[23:38] <m0tek> oh well
[23:38] <m0tek> calling it a nuit
[23:38] <Randomskk> jonsowman: check out github issues, also uses the #issue/32 kinda url thing to get around the javascript/ajax issue
[23:38] <Randomskk> seeya ed
[23:39] <m0tek> i love this 12 times speedup. i shall sleep well because of it
[23:39] <jonsowman> cya ed
[23:39] <jonsowman> Randomskk: scale added to map
[23:39] <Randomskk> yay
[23:40] <Randomskk> awesome, the scale adjusts with latitude
[23:40] <Randomskk> try moving north
[23:40] <jonsowman> nice
[23:40] <Randomskk> or zooming way out and moving around, especially around the equator
[23:44] <jonsowman> scale now in top left
[23:44] <jonsowman> better/worse?
[23:44] <Randomskk> worse as unusual
[23:44] <Randomskk> also it's quite top
[23:44] <jonsowman> ie. not covered when debug window appears
[23:44] <Randomskk> ah
[23:44] <Randomskk> there's that
[23:45] <Randomskk> maybe if it was down a bit so the centreline was in line with centre of the circle thing
[23:45] <jonsowman> okay, will play
[23:45] <jonsowman> the API is a bit weird for positioning stuff
[23:45] <jonsowman> i'll leave it bottom left for the moment
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[23:46] <jonsowman> bedtime
[23:46] <jonsowman> night all
[23:46] <Randomskk> seeya
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