highaltitude.log.20100507

[00:00] <LazyLeopard> Kenya
[00:00] <jcoxon> I witnessed the last Mauritanian elections - had supper with some of the UN observers - slightly sureal
[00:01] <LazyLeopard> End of 2007, early 2008.
[00:01] <jcoxon> at the time it seemed to go well but since they've had a coup...
[00:02] <LazyLeopard> I came back from Kenya after that escapade considerably less impressed by BBC reporting...
[00:02] <jcoxon> right
[00:03] <jcoxon> its going to be a long night - might as well sleep through it
[00:03] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:03] <SpeedEvil> Kenya looked rather scary.
[00:03] <jcoxon> night all
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[00:03] <SpeedEvil> Mum and dad met there - mum used to teach there as an exchange teacher.
[00:04] <LazyLeopard> SpeedEvil: Small bits of it probably were, if you hunted them out. Most of it was fine.
[00:04] <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
[00:04] Action: LazyLeopard was born there.
[00:04] <SpeedEvil> News generally regretfully distorts shit.
[00:05] <SpeedEvil> As reporters - for obvious reasons don't go to the boring places
[00:06] <LazyLeopard> Yes. Inevitable, I guess, but the spin put on the story can be even-handed (and try to report what's happening) or not. The BBCs reporting from Kenya was decidedly off-balance.
[00:07] <SpeedEvil> It needs clueful editors, and unfortunately, times.
[00:07] <SpeedEvil> time
[00:08] <LazyLeopard> Yeah.
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[00:08] <SpeedEvil> 'rioting at polling station' - reporter on scene is easy. 'rioting at polling station' - reporter on scene, and many reports throughout the country say no problems.
[00:08] <LazyLeopard> Anyway, as jcoxon said, it's going to be a long night, so might as well get some sleep. ;)
[00:08] <SpeedEvil> qualifying that is hard.
[00:08] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:09] <SpeedEvil> Wae up tomorrow under a libdem government.
[00:09] <SpeedEvil> Or - more probably not.
[00:09] <LazyLeopard> Heh!
[00:09] <LazyLeopard> G'night.
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[15:37] <edmoore> afternoon peeps
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[15:43] <edmoore> good atmospheric conditions atm
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[15:50] <jonsowman> edmoore: hi
[15:50] <edmoore> hi
[15:50] <jonsowman> hows things? exams over?
[15:50] <edmoore> 1) great 2) yes
[15:50] <edmoore> (1) follows from (2)
[15:50] <jonsowman> hha good good
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[15:53] <jonsowman> what are you up to now then?
[15:53] <edmoore> other work
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[16:41] <stilldavid> good morning/afternoon all!
[16:42] <stilldavid> next question: balloon filler
[16:42] <stilldavid> I built one last night
[16:43] <stilldavid> I used 1 1/4" PVC for a 1" necked balloon, figuring the neck would need to stretch over the PVC. Is this the norm, or should I have used 1" pipe?
[16:52] <jonsowman> stilldavid: you should be alright, theyre not as stretchy as you'd think
[16:52] <jonsowman> quite thick latex at the neck and stretching it over and sliding the neck down the PVC isn't very easy
[16:52] <stilldavid> yeah, I noticed when I tried to do a test fit last night
[16:53] <stilldavid> I got it about 3-4 inches down the pipe before I stopped for fear of ripping it. It was pretty snug.
[16:53] <jonsowman> we normally tend to use pipe very slightly smaller and just cable tie the balloon onto it during filling
[16:54] <stilldavid> I might remake another one with 1" pipe to be safe.
[16:54] <jonsowman> i'd change to 1" pipe if it's not too much hassle
[16:54] <jonsowman> will make your life easier when it comes to launch
[16:54] <stilldavid> easy sure does sound good at this point.
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[16:56] <jonsowman> the last thing you want is to be struggling to get a 1.5m diameter balloon full of helium off its filling eqpt
[16:57] <jonsowman> much easier to just cut a couple of cable ties
[16:58] <fsphil> sorry for butting in .. why does the hosepipe need to go all the way though the pvc pipe?
[16:59] <jonsowman> fsphil: it doesn't
[16:59] <fsphil> so that's optional? the wiki page mentions "The hosepipe goes all the way through the right angled pipe to about 10cm from the top"
[17:00] <jonsowman> hmm i think that's probably a good idea
[17:01] <jonsowman> the helium being in its proper hose until as late as possible seems like a sensible approach
[17:01] <jonsowman> keeps it from touching the PVC mostly
[17:02] <fsphil> true
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[17:15] <stilldavid> I should have read the wiki page about this before I started in on it... :)
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[18:15] <rharrison> ping edmoore
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[18:15] <rharrison> lol
[18:15] <rharrison> hi DanielRichman
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[18:15] <DanielRichman> hi rharrison
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[18:37] <stilldavid> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stilldavid/4586585567/
[18:40] <fsphil> looks good
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[18:41] <stilldavid> thanks, fsphil. I have a wood dowel I might heat-shrink it to to keep it straight as per your advice
[18:42] <stilldavid> might impale a cow in Kansas on the way down though :P
[18:42] <fsphil> haha
[18:42] <fsphil> using a straw is a popular choice here
[18:42] <fsphil> if you can get one big enough
[18:42] <stilldavid> ah, sounds much more humane
[18:42] <natrium42> stilldavid, you're in kansas?
[18:42] <stilldavid> Colorado, but the jet stream blows that way
[18:43] <natrium42> ah, cool
[18:43] <stilldavid> I'm sort of counting on it landing in a field somewhere
[18:43] <stilldavid> and making friends with a farmer
[18:43] <natrium42> :)
[18:46] <stilldavid> while I'm here, I got everything working harmoniously last night after a few hours of hacking
[18:46] <stilldavid> _until_ I soldered the NTX2 onto a piece of proto board
[18:46] <natrium42> sweet, what do you use for comms?
[18:46] <natrium42> oh
[18:47] <stilldavid> I put my backup back in the breadboard with the same configuration and it works like a champ, though
[18:47] <stilldavid> http://imgur.com/a/2XMGJ/ntx2
[18:47] <natrium42> bad solder joint?
[18:47] <stilldavid> I have measured the resistance across all tx paths and everything looks in order, all solder joints look good
[18:48] <stilldavid> I hear the tones from the radio, but they're a different pitch it sounds. as if the voltage divider isn't quite right or somehting
[18:49] <natrium42> how did you select the resistors?
[18:49] <fsphil> the frequency might just have shifted -- did you try retuning the radio?
[18:49] <stilldavid> I did, and couldn't get it to sound right, or fldigi to interpret it
[18:49] <stilldavid> natrium42, the standard 425khz shift that everyone else seems to be using
[18:50] <stilldavid> as seen here: http://pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/ideas:notes?s=rtty
[18:50] <stilldavid> as well as on the ALIEN project
[18:52] <natrium42> ok, i have been thinking about precision of your resistors
[18:52] <natrium42> some can be off by 10%
[18:53] <stilldavid> these are 5% tolerance, and when I measured with an ohm meter everything seems in order :-/ that's what gets me
[18:53] <stilldavid> I was thinking it might be a shielding issue or something? I'm still a radio n00b
[18:57] <fsphil> you have a resistor between 0v and TX, I can't really make out in the first image if you have it there too
[18:58] <stilldavid> I think it's the one behind the blue wire. 10k IIRC
[18:59] <stilldavid> I'll double-check everything again tonight (late nights don't help with my hacking...) but I was just curious if there were known gotchas with soldering ntx2's or anything
[19:00] <jonsowman> stilldavid: got a pic of the stripboard
[19:00] <jonsowman> ?
[19:00] <stilldavid> on the bottom side? unfortunately no :( should have grabbed one before I left
[19:01] <fsphil> are both being driven by the same microcontroller?
[19:01] <stilldavid> yes, same code same micro
[19:01] <stilldavid> same power supply
[19:02] <jonsowman> what does the shift look like wrt the two vertical yellow lines in fldigi?
[19:02] <jonsowman> are the obvious differences between the breadboard and stripboard versions?
[19:02] <jonsowman> *there
[19:03] <stilldavid> yeah, that's what I can't figure out. with the breadboard it's two nice lines at exactly 425, but the stripboard is just a fuzzy blip with no distinguishable lines.
[19:03] <stilldavid> I can hear two distinct tones, but they don't sound correct even after tuning the radio across the entire frequency
[19:04] <stilldavid> at any rate, I'll take another look with a fresh head and a cup of coffee this evening
[19:04] <jonsowman> are you using the same module? or two different ones?
[19:04] <jonsowman> yup ok, let us know how it goes
[19:04] <stilldavid> two different ones. The one on the protoboard worked well on the breadboard before I soldered it; same unit, same resistors even
[19:04] Action: stilldavid needs to build a real board for this next time
[19:05] <fsphil> yea -- stripboard may not survive a hard landing :)
[19:05] <stilldavid> oh, it's all cushioned quite nicely, I made sure of that
[19:06] <stilldavid> picked up one of these, too: http://www.goprocamera.com/
[19:06] <stilldavid> quite an amazing little camera (got the HD version)
[19:06] <fsphil> in my case I think it was the aerial -- it got pushed into the module on landing, snapped the board
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[19:06] <fsphil> oh that's cute
[19:07] <stilldavid> I left some extra line on the end of the coax so it can coil up into the box if need be
[19:07] <stilldavid> gonna get 720P vid of the entire trip :)
[19:09] <natrium42> stilldavid, can it do loop recording?
[19:09] <stilldavid> how do you mean?
[19:09] <stilldavid> AFAIK, it records a single file until the memory runs out or battery dies
[19:09] <natrium42> write over the oldest data
[19:09] <natrium42> i am looking for a dash cam for car
[19:09] <stilldavid> no, I don't think so
[19:11] <stilldavid> my only gripe is that while it can record while charging (internal batt only lasts ~2.5hrs) you can't connect the USB dongle while it's in the protective case/mount
[19:11] <stilldavid> might try to get some wire-wrap wires in there or something because the case is pretty amazing in itself
[19:12] <fsphil> just watching the demo vids -- pretty amazing stuff
[19:12] <stilldavid> I like that it does 720 at 60p
[19:12] <fsphil> between the buffering, anyway
[19:13] <fsphil> yes - I wish more cameras had high fps options
[19:13] <stilldavid> I think on my second launch I want to try to get slow-mo video of the balloon bursting
[19:13] <stilldavid> well, 60p anyway
[19:13] <fsphil> I watched 100fps once, soooo smooth
[19:13] <stilldavid> of a balloon? link?
[19:13] <fsphil> nah, it was a video of birds
[19:14] <fsphil> I'll have a lookie
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[19:25] <fsphil> and now I can't find it
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[19:35] <stilldavid> I'm thinking this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsQb-oWq6d4
[19:35] <stilldavid> at 60 frames a second
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[19:48] <natrium42> maybe you're thinking about the Casio EX-F1, fsphil?
[19:49] <natrium42> it can do 1200 fps
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[20:06] <chembrow> any launches planned for the weekend?
[20:07] <jonsowman> chembrow: nothing as far as I know
[20:07] <jonsowman> nothing on the current launch page on ukhas either
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[20:08] <chembrow> jonsowman: thanks. didn't think so, but wasn't sure if the site hadn't been updated
[20:08] <jonsowman> haven't heard any talk of upcoming launches on here recently
[20:08] <jonsowman> i could well have missed something though
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[20:48] <earthshine> evening
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[21:24] <fsphil> evening earthshine
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