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[08:48] <earthshine> morning
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[13:47] <earthshine> juxta: Thanks for the info.
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[16:18] <jiffe> j rsync
[16:26] <juxta> no worries earthshine
[16:26] <juxta> how's it coming along?
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[17:39] <stilldavid> anyone know who runs Project Horus?
[17:39] <stilldavid> or if they might be idling in here :)
[17:40] <russss> stilldavid: it's juxta, who usually does idle here
[17:41] <stilldavid> thanks, I'll keep an eye out
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[18:32] <futurity> Hi, does anyone know of a page that lists the altitude records of zero pressure balloons
[18:32] <futurity> i take it that all the records on the UK and US pages have used latex balloons?
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[20:26] <stilldavid> I'm now in possession of two 110 cubic foot tanks of helium :-D
[20:27] <fsphil> woo-hoo!
[20:27] <stilldavid> no turning back, I guess
[20:28] <fsphil> yep, or you could have a high pitch voice for /ages/
[20:28] <fsphil> how's the payload going?
[20:28] <stilldavid> well, according to the bright pink warning labels, if I inhale the slightest bit of helium sudden death WILL result
[20:28] <Hiena> stilldavid, and now you coul do the chipmunk sounds, isn't it?
[20:29] <stilldavid> payload is good... trying to debug some weirdness while using multiple serial lines on the arduino
[20:29] <stilldavid> tentative launch on the 16th, so I have a week to figure it out then do the freezer test
[20:30] <DanielRichman> multiple arduino serial lines? software serial?
[20:30] <stilldavid> yeah, using NewSoftSerial which works swimmingly to read GPS and weather data... until I try to transmit on the NTX2 it gets riddled with gibberish
[20:31] <DanielRichman> blocking the cpu with your transmission timings while the gps transmits a character
[20:31] <DanielRichman> what are you using the normal Serial/USART for?
[20:31] <stilldavid> a sparkfun openlog
[20:31] <stilldavid> if all else fails, I have a serial multiplexer, but I'd really rather not.
[20:32] <DanielRichman> ok I think I know what the problem is but let me look at the source for newsoftserial before committing to an explanation
[20:33] <stilldavid> argh, I swear if you debug it without even looking at the source...
[20:33] <fsphil> lol
[20:33] <fsphil> I had problems with interrupts screwing with the rtty timing
[20:34] <stilldavid> how did you solve them? I tried waiting before and after xmitting, changing pins
[20:34] <stilldavid> (it's not in front of me at the moment, unfortunately)
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[20:35] <fsphil> I had the interrupt doing too much -- moved most of the code out of it
[20:35] <fsphil> brb
[20:37] <DanielRichman> stilldavid, by what means are you transmitting on the ntx2? something that involves interrupts and/or disabling them?
[20:39] <stilldavid> using a near-direct port of: http://pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/ideas:notes?s=rtty
[20:40] <stilldavid> ack, I see now
[20:40] <stilldavid> I think I grabbed it from: http://projecthorus.org/?page_id=153
[20:41] <stilldavid> which has a note about a dummy software serial to disable interrupts
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[20:43] <stilldavid> I really should learn to read.
[20:43] <DanielRichman> stilldavid, and you're calling the rtty transmit function from loop() (I think it's called) or by some other means/
[20:43] <DanielRichman> stilldavid, ah yes projecthorus left a note :P
[20:43] <stilldavid> I'll add those lines tonight and report back
[20:43] <DanielRichman> stilldavid, I thought there that you were referring to the GPS being riddled with garbage but it's the rtty that's garbaged?
[20:44] <DanielRichman> ie. GPS reaches the RAM successfully but doesn't come out?
[20:44] <stilldavid> no, it's the GPS and weather data that's garbled as it's read from the software serial
[20:44] <stilldavid> the rtty still transmits alright
[20:44] <DanielRichman> that doesn't make sense: I think horus' note is referring to the rtty timings being messed up
[20:46] <stilldavid> Hmm. I'll have to dive into the softserial library I guess then.
[20:47] <DanielRichman> stilldavid, well if your rtty transmit code were blocking (by being called from an ISR itself, or running cli()) the software serial's interrupts then would not get run at the correct time and you'd get garbled characters
[20:48] <DanielRichman> stilldavid, if your software serial interrupts (which then go on to hog the cpu for the remainder of the character) fire during your rtty then your rtty timings will be off
[20:48] <DanielRichman> stilldavid, what does the problem manifest itself as? is the data correct on the sparkfun openlog?
[20:48] <stilldavid> that makes sense, and I see where setting a dummy serial would solve that problem
[20:49] <stilldavid> I read one sentence from the weather board (sparkfun USB thing) and store it in a char array, and that's what is garbled
[20:49] <stilldavid> I assume it's happening as it's reading from the software serial, not on Serial.print
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> try printing a known string
[20:50] <DanielRichman> yes
[20:50] <DanielRichman> try printing a known string/test string over rtty while doing the other two
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> say print 0-9 over and over
[20:50] <DanielRichman> or continuous letter 'U'
[20:50] <DanielRichman> stilldavid, so I presume that you have three serial devices attached?
[20:50] <stilldavid> ah, will do. I wish it was in front of me now.
[20:51] <stilldavid> yes, GPS, weather and then OpenLog on the main tx/rx
[20:51] <DanielRichman> stilldavid, what are you doing to prevent the gps transmitting at the same time as the weather chip/do you request data from the weather chip rather than it just providing it since software serial can only do one at a time?
[20:52] <stilldavid> I alternate between the two. The weather board sends one sentence per second, so I loop until it's available then read a sentence and just discard GPS readings while that's going on
[20:52] <stilldavid> and vice-versa
[20:53] <stilldavid> then once all the sensor/gps buffers are up-to-date I Serial.print to the openlog and then transmit select data over the radio
[20:53] <stilldavid> (in theory :P)
[20:53] <DanielRichman> what do you do to transfer the gps data you have in ram into a string to transmit over rtty?
[20:53] <DanielRichman> are the strings garbled on the openlog?
[20:54] <stilldavid> yes, exactly. I'll try to pin down exactly where the problem is tonight and ask better questions :P
[20:54] <DanielRichman> stilldavid, if the data is correct on the openlog then you've nailed your problem/if the rtty test string works
[20:55] <DanielRichman> and you just need to switch off swserial by that method :)
[20:55] <DanielRichman> otherwise, panic
[20:55] <stilldavid> there will be no panicking a week before launch!
[20:55] <stilldavid> there will be calm and structured problem solving! (a ha ha)
[20:55] <DanielRichman> it's more fun that way, honest
[20:56] <DanielRichman> stilldavid, you need someone to panic in the general direction of. Alex was quite good at this @ our launch
[20:56] <stilldavid> and who was it that got zapped again?
[20:56] <stilldavid> :P
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[20:57] <DanielRichman> noone from our launch unfortunately; that was further in the past
[20:57] <sbasuita> stilldavid: futurity got zapped
[20:57] <stilldavid> ah, that's right.
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:33] <fsphil> ello
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[21:35] <natrium42> llo
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> lo
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD who does the final step?
[21:37] <natrium42> ^ combo breaker
[21:38] <DanielRichman> natrium42, jason was the combo breaker, joining the channel
[21:41] <natrium42> :(
[21:42] <jonsowman> set irssi to ignore joins/quits tbh
[21:42] <sbasuita> nah you've got to have the join/parts
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[21:48] <jonsowman> any upcoming UK launches?
[21:48] <jonsowman> haven't been able to track any in ages
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about the election which is running now?
[22:03] <sbasuita> Lunar_Lander: exit poll suggest it is hung
[22:03] <sbasuita> which is a good thing imo
[22:04] <fsphil> agreed
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> and what happens next?
[22:04] <sbasuita> Lunar_Lander: all the parties complain about having to work together
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok xD
[22:04] <sbasuita> well, when i say all i mean tories and labour
[22:10] <SpeedEvil> Isn't it a sudden-death jelly-wrestling tie-break round?
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> what does "Con Targets" mean?
[22:12] <sbasuita> Lunar_Lander: conservative targets?
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> that was on BBC
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> and what parties are blue, red and orange?
[22:13] <jonsowman> blue = tories, red = labour, orange/yellow = lib dems
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> and now they say that Brown is PM until he resigns
[22:15] <sbasuita> mmm it's an interesting system
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: Or gets shot by the queen.
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> She has a ceremonial crossbow.
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> It fires black rods.
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> # 2216 "Exit polls in the past have sometimes given us rogue results so we need to treat it with caution," says shadow schools secretary Michael Gove. "But I think it's another piece of evidence that there's a comprehensive rejection of Gordon Brown and a vote for change."
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[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> Clive anderson mentioned the mile high club
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[22:49] <SpeedEvil> Oh no!
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> It's going to be a disaster!
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> Kate Adie's on the radio at an electoral count!
[22:49] Action: SpeedEvil awaits explosions.
[22:50] <LazyLeopard> Heh!
[22:50] <fsphil> muhaha
[22:51] <natrium42> !w Kate Adie
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[23:40] <natrium42> master jcoxon
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[23:41] <jcoxon> sir natrium42
[23:41] <natrium42> hey, i haven't been knighted... yet
[23:41] <jcoxon> but its inevitable
[23:42] <jcoxon> i'm not sure why i'm bothering watching the election results
[23:42] <natrium42> lol
[23:42] <natrium42> is anybody winning?
[23:42] <jcoxon> that said its going to be tight
[23:42] <jcoxon> from the sounds of it no one is going to win
[23:43] <natrium42> crazy, a1 had so many receivers
[23:43] Action: natrium42 turned on all receivers on the map
[23:43] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:44] <jcoxon> currently labour has 3 seats and no one else has any
[23:45] <natrium42> did you vote?
[23:45] <jcoxon> no
[23:45] <natrium42> bah
[23:45] <jcoxon> i'm no where near my constinency
[23:45] <natrium42> your only civil duty
[23:45] <natrium42> :P
[23:45] <jcoxon> and didn't have time for a postal vote
[23:46] <jcoxon> well its my right to vote, not sure its my duty
[23:46] <jcoxon> :-p
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[23:50] <jcoxon> oh dear its seems that this election is going to be a mess
[23:50] <jcoxon> people haven't been able to vote and they ran out of ballot papers at some polling stations
[23:57] <LazyLeopard> Last election I was anywhere near that had that sort of trouble on polling day ended in bloodshed...
[23:57] <jcoxon> oh?
[23:58] <jcoxon> where was that?!
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