highaltitude.log.20100503

[00:03] <earthshine> ping: jonsowman
[00:04] earthshine_iPod (~earthshin@cpc3-orpi1-0-0-cust867.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined #highaltitude.
[00:04] earthshine_iPod (~earthshin@cpc3-orpi1-0-0-cust867.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit
[00:04] Action: sbasuita laughs at multitasking
[00:09] jcoxon (~jcoxon@92.40.23.13.sub.mbb.three.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[00:10] daviddjc (~djcopeman@78-105-33-43.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc:
[00:14] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: yeah recommended by a source of great authority
[00:17] fsphil (~phil@2001:470:1f09:483:21f:c6ff:fe44:b25b) left irc: Quit: sleeeeeeep
[00:22] AlexBreton (~Alexander@client-80-5-40-26.cht-bng-014.adsl.virginmedia.net) left irc: Quit: AlexBreton
[00:27] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[00:32] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude.
[00:51] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds
[00:51] juxta_ (~blah@ppp118-210-51-250.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude.
[00:51] juxta_ (~blah@ppp118-210-51-250.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[00:54] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye
[00:55] juxta_ (~76d233fa@gateway/web/freenode/x-zojusccfitghsxsg) joined #highaltitude.
[00:56] <juxta_> hi all - how did recovery of ALIEN1 go?
[00:57] <earthshine> they got it back
[00:57] <earthshine> over 3000 pictures
[01:00] <juxta_> awesome :)
[01:01] <juxta_> did Rob launch too in the end?
[01:04] <earthshine> No he didn't
[01:05] <earthshine> http://alienproject.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/img_4038.jpg
[01:07] <juxta_> oh wow
[01:07] <juxta_> looks like some good photos :)
[01:07] <earthshine> yeah
[01:19] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude.
[01:20] juxta_ (~76d233fa@gateway/web/freenode/x-zojusccfitghsxsg) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[01:47] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[01:47] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude.
[01:50] DanielRichman (~DanielRic@unaffiliated/danielrichman) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[02:29] willrea (~1812694f@gateway/web/freenode/x-qddnfflxbarzbwza) joined #highaltitude.
[02:40] willrea (~1812694f@gateway/web/freenode/x-qddnfflxbarzbwza) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[03:01] N900evil (~Speedevil@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude.
[03:41] Jasperw (~jasperw@92.40.229.58.sub.mbb.three.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[03:42] darknesslord_ (~darknessl@189.182.42.31) joined #highaltitude.
[05:29] natrium42 (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude.
[05:50] edmoore (~ed@pluto.trinhall.cam.ac.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[05:52] edmoore (~ed@pluto.trinhall.cam.ac.uk) left irc: Client Quit
[07:02] edmoore (~ed@pluto.trinhall.cam.ac.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[07:03] darknesslord_ (~darknessl@189.182.42.31) left irc: Quit: can i haz interlolz?
[07:15] natrium42 (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[07:39] ContraSF (email@89.180.137.55) left #highaltitude.
[07:51] kc0wys (~adwiens@75-130-209-194.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined #highaltitude.
[07:52] adwiens (~adwiens@resnet-pat25.nts.wustl.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds
[07:54] Upu (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) joined #highaltitude.
[08:41] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[08:43] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[08:50] rjharrison (~rharrison@62.49.185.11) joined #highaltitude.
[08:54] \mct (~mct@entropia.netisland.net) joined #highaltitude.
[08:55] mct (~mct@unaffiliated/mct) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[09:32] Simon-MPFH (~simon@phantom.mpfh.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[09:39] G3VZV_Graham (~g3vzv@78.32.131.160) joined #highaltitude.
[09:57] Nick change: \mct -> mct
[09:59] G3VZV_Graham (~g3vzv@78.32.131.160) left irc:
[10:04] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude.
[10:25] <earthshine> morning all
[10:26] <SpeedEvil> Good moaning.
[10:29] g4dpz (~quassel@cpc2-dudl10-2-0-cust38.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[10:33] Action: sbasuita turns image folder into git repo
[10:37] <Snomi> sbasuita: how's it going
[10:38] <sbasuita> Snomi: going to geotag the images
[10:38] <Snomi> sbasuita: fair
[10:38] <Colin_> Are there any more than the teaser up yet?
[10:38] <Snomi> Colin_: just one more
[10:38] <Colin_> link?
[10:39] <Snomi> http://ssb.anapnea.net/stuff/artifact.jpg
[10:39] <Snomi> identify the thing in the top left
[10:39] <sbasuita> more of them if you zoom in the top also
[10:39] <sbasuita> i reckon bits of ice
[10:40] <sbasuita> ok git is completely failing to manage the binaries
[10:40] <sbasuita> old fashioned copy/paste to new tree is required ;)
[10:41] <Snomi> sbasuita: tbf uploading will take years from your internets
[10:41] <sbasuita> Snomi: nah we've picked 40 images
[10:42] <Snomi> sbasuita: ?
[10:42] <rjharrison> morning sbasuita
[10:42] <Snomi> oh
[10:42] <Snomi> allow dat
[10:42] <Snomi> fine
[10:42] <sbasuita> morning rjharrison
[10:42] <Colin_> Snomi: looks like the contrail from a big twin engined jet - what altitude was the photo taken from?
[10:42] <sbasuita> Snomi: lol will you buy me flickr pro then?
[10:43] AlexBreton (~Alexander@client-80-5-40-26.cht-bng-014.adsl.virginmedia.net) joined #highaltitude.
[10:43] <rjharrison> Snomi the camera is moving and exacipating the sreak there
[10:43] <rjharrison> streak
[10:44] <AlexBreton> sup sbasuita
[10:44] <sbasuita> yo AlexBreton
[10:44] <Colin_> rjharrison: all the other streaks are parallel to the horizon, so probably caused by rotation, but the big streak is at a different angle
[10:44] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: going to print off some postcard-size pics
[10:44] <rjharrison> sbasuita that not likely to be ice as it is moing idependently of the camera
[10:44] <rjharrison> moving
[10:45] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: which photo are we talking about?
[10:45] <earthshine> ice crystals along scratches in the lens or window
[10:45] <rjharrison> sbasuita have you guys managed to uload more than two pics yet?
[10:45] <Colin_> http://ssb.anapnea.net/stuff/artifact.jpg
[10:46] <sbasuita> rjharrison: hah, i'm geotagging now
[10:46] <sbasuita> rjharrison: then we've got 40 pics to upload
[10:46] <sbasuita> bbiab breakfast
[10:46] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: ah, still that one
[10:46] Action: Colin_ agrees with rjharrison - you need to upload stuff *before* you mess about with data etc - otherwise people will loose interest
[10:46] <Colin_> -o
[10:46] <rjharrison> hehe I think we need a few more pics to speculate on this
[10:47] <earthshine> agreed
[10:47] <Colin_> yes, they need to post ones in the sequence near that one
[10:47] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: you want another photo on the blog?
[10:48] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: Colin_ we also need your advice on another one - appears to have an airport on it
[10:48] <rjharrison> Air ports from a distance are fine
[10:48] <Colin_> ok, post it, and I'll see if I can work it out
[10:49] <rjharrison> AlexBreton go for it
[10:49] <rjharrison> I wouldn't post ones where you can see planes on the runway
[10:49] <Colin_> depends, it would be ok for civ
[10:50] Laurenceb (~laurence@host86-136-234-181.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[10:50] <Colin_> and anything mil and secret wouldn't be out in daylight
[10:50] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: not quite sure it's a runway, looks like one though
[10:50] <Colin_> AlexBreton: well post it so we can see it!
[10:51] Snomi_ (~50052850@gateway/web/freenode/x-fctjicechhwvqyct) joined #highaltitude.
[10:51] <sbasuita> one sec
[10:51] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: what number
[10:51] <Snomi_> sbasuita: does your anapnea lag?
[10:52] <Snomi_> sbasuita: i cant connect now :/
[10:53] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: 3928, posted on the blog
[10:54] fsphil (~phil@2001:470:1f09:483:21f:c6ff:fe44:b25b) joined #highaltitude.
[10:54] <Snomi_> sbasuita: imageshack has no upload limit....
[10:56] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/free-image-hosting-services/
[10:57] <Snomi_> AlexBreton: how big are your images (per img)
[10:57] <AlexBreton> 2MB
[10:57] <sbasuita> Snomi_: no its fine
[10:58] <Snomi_> sbasuita: gah mine keeps disconnecting
[10:58] <AlexBreton> Colin_: rjharrison pic posted
[10:58] <Colin_> ok, I'll take a look
[10:58] <earthshine> where?
[10:58] <Snomi_> AlexBreton: http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/6122/img4038l.jpg i swear it hasnt resized it
[10:59] <Colin_> yes, thats definitely an airport
[10:59] <Snomi_> AlexBreton: imageshack is bare slow though
[10:59] <Colin_> where in the flight was it taken?
[10:59] <AlexBreton> earthshine: the blog
[10:59] <AlexBreton> Colin_: we haven't geotagged them
[11:00] <AlexBreton> Colin_: isn't cambridge airport though
[11:01] <Colin_> No, that only has one runway, and it isn't waterbeach, patern is wrong, but there is a lot of building on one of the runways
[11:01] <Colin_> maybe Wyton
[11:02] DanielRichman (~DanielRic@unaffiliated/danielrichman) joined #highaltitude.
[11:02] <AlexBreton> Colin_: looks like the right shape
[11:02] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: we got an airport, see blog
[11:03] <earthshine> RAF Mildenhall
[11:03] <AlexBreton> earthshine: more plausible
[11:05] <Colin_> Yup it's Lakenheath just to the NE of Mildenhall
[11:06] <earthshine> Yep - Lakenheath
[11:06] <AlexBreton> looks like it's dead-on
[11:07] <AlexBreton> nice one guys
[11:07] <Snomi_> http://regmedia.co.uk/2005/09/13/lakenheath_grab.jpg
[11:07] <Colin_> We should be able to see Mildenhall too, but with a black runway it's difficult to pick out
[11:08] <AlexBreton> Colin_: yeah one of the lakenheath runways is only visible if you zoom in
[11:10] <Colin_> AlexBreton: can't spot it - looks like it ought to be under the cloud
[11:10] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, AlexBreton, is your list of chosen "good" photos finalised
[11:10] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: I guess so
[11:10] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yeah its on wave
[11:10] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: i just ran teh geotagger
[11:10] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: think it worked
[11:10] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: though still objection to the ridiculous lens flare
[11:11] <AlexBreton> Colin_: black runway
[11:11] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, it just prints the commands to run; not run them
[11:11] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, exiftool is very slow
[11:11] <sbasuita> ah right
[11:11] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, It's not worth it
[11:11] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: really?
[11:11] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: how slow are we takling
[11:12] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, copy an image and test it on that one
[11:12] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: lol wasn't to slow
[11:14] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-126.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[11:14] Snomi_ (~50052850@gateway/web/freenode/x-fctjicechhwvqyct) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[11:14] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, OK well personally I'm going to keep a copy of all the photos on an external hdd then take the "good ones" and put them on my hdd
[11:14] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: right, i'm now tagging all of them
[11:15] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: its not too slow tbf
[11:15] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: anyway, the photos are only about the size of a bdrip ;P
[11:15] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, sigh
[11:17] <Colin_> someone from the project should go to http://www.mildenhall.af.mil/main/contactus.asp and send them a link to the photo - you might get a mention in the station newspaper
[11:17] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, !
[11:17] <AlexBreton> Colin_: wasn't it lakenheath?
[11:17] <AlexBreton> ah wait
[11:18] <AlexBreton> Colin_: USAF station as well
[11:18] <Colin_> oops sorry, let me find the right contact info
[11:18] <Colin_> http://www.lakenheath.af.mil/main/contactus.asp
[11:19] <Colin_> The only recipient available seems to be Public Affairs which is probably what you want
[11:20] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: check what altitude it is before emailing them
[11:20] <Colin_> I hope you guys remembered to do a NOTAM
[11:20] <earthshine> lol
[11:21] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: http://ssb.anapnea.net/stuff/alien-1-launch-annotated-log.txt
[11:22] <Colin_> Hmm.. it stayed nice and warm inside the payload
[11:23] <sbasuita> Colin_: yeah, the camera was toasty
[11:23] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: where abouts did we put the internal temp sensor?
[11:24] <DanielRichman> just above the circuit board - farthest end from the camera
[11:24] <sbasuita> ;P
[11:24] <Colin_> sbasuita: btw, I sent you email yesterday about the Debian packaging for dl-fldigi
[11:24] <sbasuita> Colin_: oh that was you! saw it but haven't had time to reply
[11:25] <sbasuita> Colin_: basically, i'm totally up for getting dl-fldigi into debian
[11:25] <Colin_> no hurry
[11:25] <sbasuita> my ubuntu package is a bit of a mess atm though
[11:25] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, for i in *.JPG; do FILEN=`echo $i | egrep -o '[0-9]+'`.jpg; mv -iv $i $FILEN; done
[11:25] <sbasuita> Colin_: we should wait until the version '2' is released though (based off http://github.com/dl-fldigi/jamescoxon)
[11:26] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: i wants IMGGG
[11:26] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, sorry?
[11:26] <sbasuita> gah that reminds me
[11:27] <sbasuita> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/posterazor_1.5.1-1.html
[11:27] <sbasuita> been sitting in new for ages now ;(
[11:27] <sbasuita> $ git status | wc -l
[11:27] <sbasuita> 2628
[11:27] <sbasuita> almost done though :)
[11:28] <edmoore> morning
[11:28] <edmoore> another exam down
[11:28] <sbasuita> morning edmoore
[11:28] <sbasuita> how did it go?
[11:28] <edmoore> ok. it's not too hard a course compared to the others
[11:29] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, where `selections` is the text of your wave, for i in `cat selections | egrep -o '^[0-9]+'`; do mv $i.jpg good; done
[11:29] <DanielRichman> for i in `cat selections | egrep -o '^[0-9]+'`; do ls other/$i.jpg; done
[11:29] G8DSU (~chatzilla@cpc3-mort4-0-0-cust192.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[11:29] <DanielRichman> hmm... fail to grep my history
[11:29] <DanielRichman> for i in `cat selections | grep '!' | egrep -o '^[0-9]+'`; do mv $i.jpg epic; done
[11:30] Action: sbasuita mangles 'secret questions' on flickr signup
[11:31] <Colin_> sbasuita: Hmm... http://github.com/dl-fldigi/jamescoxon doesn't exist it seems
[11:32] <russss> err, wouldn't that be http://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi ?
[11:32] <sbasuita> oops
[11:32] <sbasuita> sorry
[11:32] <Colin_> Ah, yes that works
[11:33] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: what altitude was 3928 taken at?
[11:34] <sbasuita> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbasuita :)
[11:34] <sbasuita> will now upload
[11:34] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, $$A1,09666,14:03:22,52.226133,000.377006,29944,0000,09,223B2216,45*1C | 14:03:22: N52.226133 E000.377006 29944M (09 satellites), Internal: 29.5'C, External: 11.0'C
[11:35] <AlexBreton> 29944 metres?
[11:35] <earthshine> alien guys - do you have your schematics anywhere to view?
[11:35] <AlexBreton> earthshine: blog
[11:36] <DanielRichman> all 5.9GBs are safely on my external backup hdd
[11:36] <earthshine> I see no links. Is it one of those ones where I need to scroll through all the messages?
[11:36] <DanielRichman> earthshine, hold on, I wrote that post and know where it is :P
[11:36] <earthshine> found it
[11:36] <DanielRichman> earthshine, http://alienproject.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/a-motherload/
[11:36] <DanielRichman> ya good; last section second paragraph
[11:37] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, why have you selected 4078?
[11:37] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: 2944 metres?
[11:38] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, 3928 was at 29944M
[11:38] <AlexBreton> ksafe
[11:38] <earthshine> ty
[11:39] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: no idea
[11:39] <DanielRichman> earthshine, we didn't use t he optoisolated camera trigger section
[11:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, -.-
[11:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, and why 4061
[11:40] <earthshine> Did you use the CHDK ?
[11:40] <DanielRichman> yes
[11:40] <earthshine> much better solution
[11:40] <AlexBreton> tbf sbasuita I deleted noth of the ones dan mentioned
[11:41] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: also, can you upload the 'epic lens flare' to anapnea so #ha can judge
[11:41] <DanielRichman> I'll remove them from wave... leaves a total of ~210MB photos to upload
[11:41] <DanielRichman> s
[11:41] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, one lens flare pic is required
[11:41] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: why?
[11:42] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: looks like a five year old pointed a camera at the sun and decided to take a picture
[11:43] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, OK so you're going to upload all the selected photos to flickr then tag the ! ones, right or do some flicker thing so that we end up with two albums, "!" and "! + other good ones"
[11:43] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yeah it will be a set/album/collection or whatever flickr calls its groups
[11:43] <AlexBreton> I suggest we have an album with the 5 best ones
[11:44] <AlexBreton> or no more than 10
[11:44] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: yeah
[11:44] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, go for the double !
[11:44] Action: sbasuita looks for command line flickr client
[11:44] <DanielRichman> fspot probably does it
[11:44] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: double !! on wave coming right up
[11:44] Action: DanielRichman goes to get some food
[11:44] <sbasuita> lol git memory usage is dangerously high
[11:44] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, if you ping out we'll know what happened
[11:44] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: anapnea baby
[11:45] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, hmm w/e
[11:45] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, once we've finished selection I'll burn to a CD/find a usb and stuff them on to take into school
[11:45] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: I printed them off already
[11:45] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, wait, what
[11:45] <sbasuita> yeah i'm going to hit swap
[11:45] <sbasuita> which is encrypted
[11:45] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, enjoy that
[11:45] <sbasuita> bbiab guys ;P
[11:45] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: don't bother with cd - longstaff won't bother booting up / waiting
[11:45] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, hmmmm is flickr blocked
[11:45] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: small prints are far quicker and more convenient
[11:46] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: a photograph always boils down to a physical print
[11:46] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, OK but I will bring in a digital copy
[11:46] N900evil (~Speedevil@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[11:46] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: it's unnecessary
[11:46] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: paper is the most reliable and fastest storage medium
[11:46] <DanielRichman> sssh
[11:46] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, it's also analogue and digital kicks its ass
[11:46] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, have you made the !! choices?
[11:47] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: it's a digital print, so it isn't analogue, and digital just breaks anyway
[11:47] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: as proven by ecmwf who store their weather data on magnetic tapes
[11:47] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, I can see your infallible logic there
[11:48] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, have you made the !! choices?
[11:48] <earthshine> Guys: How about doing some 3D video from near space next? - http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/02/sony-ex3-prototype-3d-camcorder-spotted-destined-for-retail-cha/
[11:48] <DanielRichman> easier to send up two cameras, no?
[11:48] <DanielRichman> sync them up
[11:49] <DanielRichman> CHDK has a variant specifically written for that
[11:49] <DanielRichman> I'm not sure you'd see much though
[11:49] <earthshine> yeah everythings too far away
[11:49] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: notice the highlighted bit at the top of the wave
[11:49] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, no relevance to me
[11:49] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: then scroll down to sbasuita's reasons
[11:50] <AlexBreton> yaya
[11:50] <DanielRichman> ha
[11:50] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, finished yet>?
[11:51] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: we need to remove all non-! pics from the wave
[11:51] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: this is called selective portfolio making; only keep the very best, that way ppl think we're awesome as opposed to mediocre and getting lucky on a few shots
[11:51] <edmoore> wave seems unrobust for ham
[11:51] <edmoore> hab*
[11:51] <edmoore> we need some kind of packet radio link back to cambridge :)
[11:52] <edmoore> or maybe a dish + 3g dongle up rob's mast
[11:52] <edmoore> with a wifi repeater
[11:53] <sbasuita> getting close to killing git
[11:53] <sbasuita> what a joke
[11:54] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: done the !!
[11:54] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: now we kill everything with no ! at all
[11:54] <Snomi> =/
[11:54] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: nah don't do that
[11:55] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, no
[11:55] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: DanielRichman this is called selective portfolio making; only keep the very best, that way ppl think we're awesome as opposed to mediocre and getting lucky on a few shots
[11:55] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, that goes in an "okey" album
[11:55] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, well I'm keeping them; you can try to persuade sbasuita not to upload
[11:55] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: sbasuita there are pro photographers who have only 60 photos of their entire life's work
[11:56] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: we need to ensure a very high standard - quality not quantity
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> make a new one, with the best
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> or the worst
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: I've had good results with a 3g dongle up a 6m mast. :)
[11:57] <rjharrison> Personally I would show 40 pics max to flicker or such like
[11:57] <edmoore> agreed
[11:57] <rjharrison> shove
[11:57] <edmoore> it's *very* boring
[11:57] <earthshine> you guys going to make a cofee table book or something?
[11:57] <edmoore> searching through someones sd dump when you search on flickr for 'HAB'
[11:57] <sbasuita> heh fair play
[11:58] <rjharrison> Then I would put the 3000 some where access able to yourselves and anyone you happen to give a link too
[11:58] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: we have the pics on our HD
[11:58] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: imo they don't need to be on the internet
[11:58] <earthshine> Off topic: Someone mentioned an Android app yesterday for swiping data entry - can anyone remember what it was called?
[11:58] <rjharrison> No but you may want to refereence one or tow occasionally and it's a pain when you're not at home
[11:58] <rjharrison> Just speaking vrom exp
[11:58] <rjharrison> from
[11:59] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: sbasuita showed to dad yesterday and he got bored after 50 photos
[11:59] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: hehe
[11:59] <rjharrison> lol
[11:59] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, have you commenced uploading?
[11:59] <earthshine> so make a folder of nice pics and anotehr with all of them
[11:59] <DanielRichman> earthshine, have done
[12:00] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: about to
[12:00] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: just making sure killing git didn't mess up anything
[12:01] <sbasuita> seems ok
[12:03] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, AlexBreton, open your copy of 4038 and zoom in on where my mouse pointer is pointing: http://lh6.ggpht.com/__lkz-FOKbO8/S96tWUJqOnI/AAAAAAAAAIk/F7qEZVchoGU/s512/Screenshot.png
[12:03] <DanielRichman> (http://lh6.ggpht.com/__lkz-FOKbO8/S96tWUJqOnI/AAAAAAAAAIk/F7qEZVchoGU/Screenshot.png_
[12:04] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: what am i looking at
[12:04] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, a strange artefact
[12:05] <sbasuita> ???
[12:07] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: DanielRichman I'd argue that we should only show the world the nice pics
[12:07] <DanielRichman> http://imagebin.org/95384
[12:07] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: ufo
[12:07] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, exactly
[12:08] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: I don't see anything
[12:08] <DanielRichman> look harder.
[12:08] <AlexBreton> oh, you need a 419% crop
[12:09] <AlexBreton> srsly guys
[12:09] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: that's a piece of dust/minute water droplet on the lens
[12:09] <sbasuita> tbf how did he notice this
[12:09] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, was totally by chance
[12:09] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: sort yourself out
[12:09] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, you're so boring
[12:09] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: no, you are, if you find this interesting
[12:10] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, what's your flickr account called?
[12:12] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: sbasuita
[12:12] <earthshine> hot pixel
[12:12] <sbasuita> just selecting upload files now
[12:12] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, did you say you had some good photos from the launch? sbasuita ?
[12:12] <earthshine> or gamma ray
[12:14] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I'm going to update the two blogged photos with gps info in the text below
[12:20] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, also going to blog our max altitude
[12:21] <sbasuita> bam
[12:21] <sbasuita> images uploading
[12:22] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: also going on to my Pbucket for the forums
[12:23] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: k, make sure you get the license right on photobucket
[12:23] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: you don't need to license
[12:23] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: you might as well
[12:24] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, it needs the correct CC license
[12:25] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: I'm pretty sure you can't just steal stuff of someone's Pbucket - besides they won't be tagged so no-one can find them
[12:25] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, it needs the correct CC license
[12:25] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: it's unfindable
[12:26] <DanielRichman> irrelevant
[12:26] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, photobucket surely has a feature to specify the license of your photos?
[12:26] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: tbf if you link it its findable
[12:26] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, also if you go posting them on a forum then google will find it
[12:27] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: DanielRichman they're stupidly resized so it's pointless stealing them
[12:28] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, surely photobucket has the feature anyway? what's your opposition to using it?
[12:28] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: sbasuita The Photobucket Services contain Content of Users and other Photobucket licensors. Except as provided within this Agreement, you may not copy, modify, translate, publish, broadcast, transmit, distribute, perform, display, or sell any Content appearing on or through the Photobucket Services.
[12:28] <AlexBreton> there you go
[12:29] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: that's not what we want though
[12:29] <AlexBreton> it's built in
[12:29] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: we want to allow distribution
[12:29] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: that's allowed via flickr
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> They can't actually enforce that condition. As they do not hold the copyright on the images.
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> Unless they have a corresponding term in the 'authors' side
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> 'you may not allow others to copy your photos that you have uploaded to photobucket' or something
[12:32] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, don't upload to photobucket. It's a mess
[12:32] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, flicker has the whole licensing thing sorted
[12:32] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: what are you worried about?
[12:32] <DanielRichman> it's a mess.
[12:32] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: I bet flickr and Pbucket have the same terms
[12:32] <DanielRichman> go for it.
[12:33] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: 'it's a mess' - you're going to have to do better than that
[12:33] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, flickr lets you specify the copyright on your images
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> Simply place on the page - 'anyone can use these images for anything'.
[12:33] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, pbucket's terms as SpeedEvil has demonstrated are broken
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> The fact that it's a tickbox and neatly implemented means _nothing_ legally
[12:33] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: Photobucket does not claim any ownership rights in the text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, musical works, works of authorship, applications, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") that you post on or through the Photobucket Services. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content on or through the Photobucket Services, you hereby grant to Photobucket and other users a non-
[12:33] <AlexBreton> happy?
[12:34] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, we want the images under the CC license
[12:34] <DanielRichman> that sbasuita chose
[12:34] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: IT'S A PRIVATE ALBUM
[12:34] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: jesus - if people want to use the pics they can go to flickr
[12:34] <sbasuita> guys chillax
[12:34] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: and the Pbucket terms are the same anyway
[12:34] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: read them
[12:35] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, where are those logs?
[12:35] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: the online ones?
[12:35] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, ya
[12:35] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, the ones up uploaded?
[12:36] <DanielRichman> s/up /you /g
[12:36] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content on or through the Photobucket Services, you hereby grant to Photobucket and other users a non-exclusive, fully paid and royalty-free, worldwide, limited license to use, modify, delete from, add to, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce and translate such Content, including without limitation distributing part or all of the Site in any
[12:36] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: http://ssb.anapnea.net/stuff/alien-1-launch-annotated-log.txt
[12:36] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, that's exactly what we don't want
[12:36] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, ty
[12:37] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: that term sounds boad
[12:37] <sbasuita> bad*
[12:37] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: what is the problem? You haven't actually said what you're worried about, you just seem out to annoy me
[12:37] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, I'm busy. but since you asked, hold on while I assemble the full reasoning
[12:37] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: surely that means anybody could steal the images and profit right
[12:37] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: without crediting us etc
[12:38] <AlexBreton> no
[12:38] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, read this http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/uk/
[12:38] <DanielRichman> those are the conditions we want
[12:39] chembrow (~chris@188-221-15-153.zone12.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[12:39] <AlexBreton> what are you worried about? the pictures won't be googleable
[12:40] <DanielRichman> sort of... security through obscurity (?) is a bad idea
[12:40] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, no need to doubleupload anyway. just link your whatever to flickr
[12:40] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, how is the uploading coming?
[12:40] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: very well
[12:40] <sbasuita> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbasuita/4574613830/ <3
[12:41] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, ok I'll leave you to it to set up the correct taggage/albumage
[12:41] <AlexBreton> *pukes*
[12:41] Action: DanielRichman tries to figure out how to use gnuplot
[12:42] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: ask SpeedEvil
[12:42] <earthshine> Guys you have captured some truly incredible photographs
[12:43] <earthshine> shame they are not full res though
[12:43] DarkLord (~53698553@gateway/web/freenode/x-zzudxlkpvbantltc) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[12:43] <Colin_> Hmm.. img_2864 and img_2849 are upside down!
[12:43] <earthshine> On flickr i mean
[12:44] <sbasuita> there may be an option
[12:44] <sbasuita> i will see
[12:44] <sbasuita> after uploading is finished
[12:45] <Snomi> ...
[12:49] <Snomi> sbasuita: did the camera move around a lot
[12:50] <Snomi> is that why the photos are all at differentangles?
[12:51] <sbasuita> Snomi: ye
[12:51] <Snomi> sbasuita: did it take pictures on the way down?
[12:51] <sbasuita> Snomi: ye
[12:51] <Snomi> hm
[12:52] <Snomi> how many gigs of pictures?
[12:52] <sbasuita> Snomi: 12 i think
[12:52] <sbasuita> Snomi: no 6
[12:52] <Snomi> k
[12:53] <Snomi> sbasuita: you think 4038 is da best?
[12:53] <sbasuita> Snomi: yes
[12:53] <Snomi> ok
[12:53] <Snomi> sbasuita: sbasuita where ytou ordering prints from?
[12:54] <sbasuita> Snomi: not sure
[12:54] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: proamimaging
[12:55] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: where are they based?
[12:55] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: it really doesn't matter
[12:55] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: shipping servifce?
[12:55] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: bradford, shipping is the same for the entire UK
[12:56] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: and all you have to mail is a CD
[12:56] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: 5 pounds shipping
[12:56] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: proam was recommended to me by someone who knows what they're talking about, it's our best bet
[12:57] <DanielRichman> mail a CD?
[12:58] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: with the pictures on it...
[12:58] <sbasuita> ok
[12:58] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: so we'll get a bunch of orders from family/friends
[12:59] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: and ship it all together to save
[12:59] <DanielRichman> yeah we need to collect orders
[12:59] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: although I might get a canvas from digitalab
[13:00] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: they're the ppl who process my film and they do a good job
[13:00] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: also offer larger sizes than proam
[13:00] chembrow (chris@188-221-15-153.zone12.bethere.co.uk) left #highaltitude.
[13:00] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: how big can we go with the camera?
[13:01] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: let me check
[13:02] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: tbh colour is far more important than resolution
[13:05] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: tbh you can make a massive print
[13:15] <russss> good pics
[13:18] <Snomi> sbasuita: AlexBreton: how big will the prints be?
[13:21] <Snomi> AlexBreton: do they do canvases?
[13:21] <Snomi> AlexBreton: http://www.photocanvasprinting.com/prices.php
[13:22] <Snomi> AlexBreton: you could just do a mahoosive poster print http://www.flyers-printing.co.uk/poster_printing/in_door_posters.htm
[13:25] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, AlexBreton, various graphs from the logs
[13:25] <DanielRichman> http://alienproject.wordpress.com/
[13:40] <AlexBreton> Snomi: allow yerself, I know what the good labs are
[13:42] G0OXV (~56930a6d@gateway/web/freenode/x-nikqhjoumkbkhfsr) joined #highaltitude.
[13:44] G0OXV (~56930a6d@gateway/web/freenode/x-nikqhjoumkbkhfsr) left irc: Client Quit
[13:52] Laurenceb (~laurence@host86-136-234-181.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[14:40] <earthshine> Nice one guys - 3rd place in the altitude records
[14:45] <AlexBreton> earthshine: 40th in world ranking
[14:45] <sbasuita> earthshine: we originally aimed for 35km but we put it down to 33km to get it in the air asap
[14:45] <edmoore> I'm at risk of sounding like a pub bore, but I don't get the altitude record thing. If you actually want to go high, you put a light payload on a big balloon. It's not really a playing field for nowse or ingenuity, just money to buy a big balloon or just building a very minimal and light payload. The worthwhile challenges are elsewhere, I think.
[14:46] <sbasuita> agreed
[14:46] <DanielRichman> I wanted to do a srs alt attempt but sbasuita disagrees
[14:46] <earthshine> yeah but it's a nice bragging point ;)
[14:47] <edmoore> I guess.
[14:47] <earthshine> guve is a challange then edmoore
[14:47] <earthshine> *give
[14:47] <AlexBreton> loads of sensors
[14:47] <AlexBreton> HD video
[14:47] <earthshine> I have one I would like to try - get a long exposure astronomical image
[14:47] <AlexBreton> floater
[14:47] <AlexBreton> earthshine: would never work - waay too much swaying
[14:48] <AlexBreton> earthshine: do that on the ground
[14:48] <earthshine> which would probably involve 3 ballons in a trangular arrangement and a camera platform inbetween with a stablised platform
[14:48] <edmoore> stabilised payload, high speed telemetry (eg pics), automated flying back to a target, rockoons, floating
[14:48] <edmoore> etc etc
[14:48] <russss> it's certainly possible
[14:48] <russss> the question is how big a balloon do you need.
[14:48] <russss> or balloons.
[14:48] <earthshine> i was thinking of the flying back to target thing...
[14:48] <edmoore> I'm building a stabilised balloon payload for astronomical purposes
[14:48] <edmoore> as it happens
[14:48] <earthshine> use a controlled parafoil instead of a chute
[14:48] <edmoore> I have the design done
[14:49] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/images/alien1/
[14:49] <AlexBreton> russss: how do you make sure the payload is stable? I've done this on the ground and you need a tripod + pressing the shutter very gently
[14:49] <Colin_> How much processing power did a1 have?
[14:49] <rjharrison> Ed Moore there is one of you here revising very hard
[14:49] <edmoore> ta
[14:49] <earthshine> Alexbreton: a stabilised platform, like an Adaptive Optics setup but on a larger scale
[14:49] <edmoore> earthshine: parafoils are indeed a good start
[14:49] <edmoore> although they don't work at altitude
[14:49] <russss> AlexBreton: ask these guys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLAST_(telescope)
[14:50] <edmoore> russss: I'm building a mini blast :)
[14:50] <edmoore> over the next three weeks
[14:50] <edmoore> keep eyes peeled
[14:50] <sbasuita> rjharrison: great pics
[14:50] <AlexBreton> russss: no such article :/
[14:51] <edmoore> have been designing it (well, doi ng analysis so I can actually turn in the academic paper) as my thesis project, but am building it as soon as the exams stop on thurs
[14:51] <russss> your client is probably eating the parentheses
[14:51] <russss> see also http://www.blastexperiment.info/
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> It's not _too_ hard. Especially with the gyros that are now available.
[14:51] <edmoore> earthshine: a few years ago jcoxon and I had a go at parafoils
[14:51] <edmoore> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbVw8SMmkNM
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> I'd do something like a couple of stages - the first is a coarse stage
[14:51] <edmoore> (that's me controlling it via RC very badly)
[14:52] <edmoore> but I think we both got sidetracked, plus the issue of parafoils not working at alt
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> this stops the swinging to within a three or 4 degrees using commodity r/c servos, and a gyro.
[14:52] <Colin_> rjharrison: what is the cylinder below the payload in the pics you linked to ^
[14:52] <SpeedEvil> the second stage does the fine corrections.
[14:53] <edmoore> SpeedEvil: that's what I have. reaction wheels + inertial sensors for coarse pointing (to wihin a degree) then star camera and fine actuation for precision
[14:53] <rjharrison> Colin_ helium
[14:53] <sbasuita> ok so here are the pics
[14:53] <sbasuita> http://www.flickr.com/photos/alienhab
[14:53] <sbasuita> (set up a shared account in the end)
[14:53] <SpeedEvil> yeah - reaction wheels are the other choice. Possibly saner.
[14:53] <Colin_> rjharrison: no - the bit that is part of the payload, looks like a styrofoam cup?
[14:54] <earthshine> Doesn't the X38 use a foil?
[14:54] <rjharrison> Colin_ ask the Alien team or edmoore to explain the cup
[14:55] <sbasuita> it was a practical joke by ed
[14:55] <rjharrison> lo
[14:55] <sbasuita> >_>
[14:55] <Colin_> I guessed at a crushable landing foot
[14:55] <earthshine> have you changed the flickr account?
[14:56] MoALTz_ (~no@92.19.16.70) left irc: Read error: No route to host
[14:56] <AlexBreton> Colin_: to keep the tx traight
[14:56] <AlexBreton> straight*
[14:56] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, have you grouped the ones marked good & v good into one album/taggroup/something
[14:56] MoALTz_ (~no@92.19.16.70) joined #highaltitude.
[14:57] <sbasuita> earthshine: yep
[14:57] <earthshine> are there any pics of the payload itself?
[14:57] <sbasuita> earthshine: yeah on the blog
[14:57] <earthshine> I take it the lens was in open air?
[14:57] <sbasuita> earthshine: the camera lens was covered by a polarising filter
[14:57] <earthshine> i'm using A560's in mind - inside foam lined balso boxes (attached to servos)
[14:57] <earthshine> *mine
[14:58] <earthshine> *balsa
[14:58] <AlexBreton> earthshine: UV filter
[14:58] <AlexBreton> earthshine: not a polariser
[14:58] <sbasuita> oh
[14:58] <sbasuita> *shrug*
[14:58] <AlexBreton> earthshine: next time we'll use a polariser tho
[14:58] <earthshine> What filter did you use? i've been looking for one
[14:58] <AlexBreton> earthshine: cokin, with builtin hood
[14:58] <AlexBreton> earthshine: old one I had lying around
[14:59] <earthshine> was it screwed to the lens or was there an air gap?
[14:59] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: nah they're all good anyway
[14:59] <earthshine> IMG_3945: Airfield visible in that one too I think
[14:59] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: should i blog the pics then?
[14:59] <AlexBreton> earthshine: air gap
[15:00] <AlexBreton> earthshine: A560 doesn't have a proper filter thread
[15:00] <AlexBreton> earthshine: SLR lenses do
[15:00] <earthshine> well i meant clipped - you can get clip on ones
[15:00] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, blog the ones in the !! category
[15:00] <AlexBreton> earthshine: also lens hood is a very good idea
[15:00] <DanielRichman> as links to flikr
[15:00] <DanielRichman> and replace the two you already uploaded with links to flickr
[15:00] <earthshine> why lens hood?
[15:01] <edmoore> woah
[15:02] <edmoore> just got 100 messages through at once
[15:02] <edmoore> the cup was to keep the tx straight
[15:02] <earthshine> blockage in your pipes
[15:03] <edmoore> the wire used was single core, very plastically deformable
[15:03] <earthshine> what cup?
[15:03] <edmoore> so a quick bodge made it a bit more robust
[15:03] <sbasuita> yeah it was really good thinking on ed's part
[15:03] <sbasuita> when we got it the antenna was pretty bent up
[15:03] <Colin_> edmoore: I've seen people use drinking straws for the same reason
[15:03] <sbasuita> so it would have been ruined if not for the wire ties strapped to it at the last minute
[15:04] <edmoore> Colin_: we (CU Spaceflight) have been sporting straws for several years now
[15:04] <edmoore> but I couldn't find any at ears
[15:04] <edmoore> to be clear, I'm not part of the alien project
[15:04] <Colin_> edmoore: Yeah, I understand that
[15:05] <edmoore> just checking. those guys take all the credit. I was just using it as a break from revision :)
[15:05] <earthshine> DanielRichman: Why a lens hood?
[15:06] <earthshine> IMG_3919 you have an aircraft contrail below you
[15:06] <DanielRichman> earthshine, AlexBreton gave me the filter in that package
[15:07] <DanielRichman> We were discussing how to prevent fogging up/whatever it was on the lens
[15:07] <earthshine> dew heater element
[15:07] <DanielRichman> the lens would have been the coldest part of the inside of the payload
[15:08] <DanielRichman> so we were thinking of using silica gel to remove moisture from the inside
[15:08] <earthshine> i think the process is too fast for that
[15:08] <edmoore> this is an excellent action shot http://www.flickr.com/photos/alienhab/4574796248/
[15:09] <DanielRichman> :D
[15:09] <edmoore> sbasuita: charging towards the balloon with the payload before letting go
[15:12] G8DSU (~chatzilla@cpc3-mort4-0-0-cust192.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315083431]
[15:18] G8DSU (~chatzilla@cpc3-mort4-0-0-cust192.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[15:20] N900evil (~Speedevil@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude.
[15:37] jasonb (~jasonb@adsl-66-124-73-250.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[15:40] Lunar_Lander (~83ad11b6@gateway/web/freenode/x-xgvljjfjaeslialz) joined #highaltitude.
[15:40] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:43] rjharrison (rharrison@62.49.185.11) left #highaltitude.
[15:43] rjharrison (~rharrison@62.49.185.11) joined #highaltitude.
[15:46] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: are you the one launching a balloon in Friedrichshafen?
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> no, Osnabrück
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> that is some 600 km to the north of Friedrichshafen
[15:48] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: do you know who is launching at F'hafen?
[15:49] <Lunar_Lander> no, I was not even aware that somebody would make an ascent there
[15:49] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: ah ok
[15:49] <Lunar_Lander> where did you get this info?
[15:50] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: french radioamateurs
[15:50] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: they said they will be tracking a balloon launched in F'hafen
[15:50] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[15:51] <edmoore> les jambons
[15:51] <Lunar_Lander> that means that you can use amateur radio on balloons in Germany?
[15:51] <edmoore> please
[15:51] <Randomskk> edmoore: exam today?
[15:52] <edmoore> yes
[15:52] <Randomskk> how'd it go?
[15:52] <edmoore> adv wireless comms
[15:52] <edmoore> fine
[15:52] <russss> exam on a bank holiday, harsh
[15:52] <edmoore> it's not too bad a course
[15:52] <Randomskk> cambridge doesn't shut for bank holidays it seems :P
[15:52] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: They said they would be driving to Germany
[15:52] <edmoore> compared to all the non-linear control stuff which I'm still not quite recovered from
[15:52] <edmoore> yes, camb doesn't observe bank holidays, at all
[15:52] <Randomskk> hehe
[15:52] <Randomskk> nice
[15:52] <edmoore> business as usual
[15:52] <russss> mind you, I am working on the bank holiday.
[15:52] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok AlexBreton
[15:52] <Randomskk> cambridge was around and doing terms since before banks to be fair
[15:53] <russss> but that's only because of the election on Thursday
[15:53] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: long drive from calais
[15:53] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that is true
[15:53] <Lunar_Lander> it's the opposite side of the country after all
[15:54] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: the french radioamateurs are very dedicated
[15:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:54] <edmoore> les jambons
[15:54] <sbasuita> they should launch their own balloon
[15:54] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: proved by jcoxon's foray into France
[15:54] jasonb (~jasonb@m450536d0.tmodns.net) joined #highaltitude.
[15:54] <edmoore> i might see if zeusbot can auto-correct people who talk about "french radioamateurs"
[15:54] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: they do occasionally
[15:54] <Lunar_Lander> BallastHalo 3?
[15:54] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: yes
[15:55] <Randomskk> I imagine he can
[15:55] <edmoore> I don't have access to him anymore. He lived on my server for a while
[15:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:55] <Randomskk> :(
[15:55] <Randomskk> jcoxon though huh
[15:55] <edmoore> but now he lives with jcoxon
[15:56] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: are german hams die Wurste?
[15:56] <AlexBreton> (radioamateurs)
[15:57] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[15:57] <Lunar_Lander> they're just called "Radioamateure"
[15:57] <AlexBreton> Lunar_Lander: in english radioamateurs are called radio hams
[15:57] <Randomskk> in english, we have spaces
[15:57] <AlexBreton> or just hams
[15:57] <russss> Schinken
[15:57] <edmoore> hence french amateurs being 'les jambons'
[15:57] <AlexBreton> idd
[15:57] <edmoore> or 'les miserables' when they can't dx
[15:58] <Randomskk> hehe
[15:58] <Randomskk> man, I really really want to get my fpga programmer working
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:58] <Randomskk> is about the only thing that would make this digital & microprocessors course interesting, would be to synth the hardware before he's finished lecturing about it
[15:59] <Randomskk> our digital lecturer is terrible D:
[16:01] <edmoore> who?
[16:01] <edmoore> and you have a course on this now?
[16:01] <edmoore> we never had a course like that in my day
[16:01] <edmoore> oh actually yes we did
[16:01] <edmoore> god
[16:01] <edmoore> prof penty
[16:01] <Randomskk> richard penty
[16:01] <edmoore> that was *awful*
[16:01] <Randomskk> ...yea.
[16:02] <edmoore> death by karnaugh maps
[16:02] <Randomskk> he told us that ASCII stood for "American System for Information Exchange"
[16:02] <edmoore> well, more like irritation by karnaugh maps
[16:02] <Randomskk> then called the undergrad who corrected him sad for knowing what ASCII stood for
[16:02] <edmoore> and the exams that had little to do with the course, I remember]
[16:02] <edmoore> was that you?
[16:02] <Randomskk> not this time
[16:02] <Randomskk> later threatened to stop lecturing if we didn't be quiet, such that we would have to stay later and the lecture would finish late
[16:02] Action: Randomskk is yet to say anything in lectures
[16:03] Action: Randomskk has principles
[16:03] <edmoore> in our day, it was split between two lecture courses
[16:03] <edmoore> sorry, two lecture theatres
[16:03] <Randomskk> ah
[16:03] <Randomskk> no such luck
[16:03] <Randomskk> all of us in LT0
[16:03] <Randomskk> essentially every single lecture I have is in LT0
[16:03] <edmoore> there was an audio link to the next theatre that he wasn't in
[16:04] <edmoore> which was apparently carnage
[16:04] <Randomskk> ...blimey
[16:04] <Randomskk> haha I can imagine
[16:04] <edmoore> yeah he threatened to stop lecturing us a couple of times too. the only lecturer to do so, but then the only lecture that seemed to grate with his audience
[16:04] <edmoore> i think good teachers should be paramount for 1A
[16:05] <Randomskk> http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/teaching/res/y1/p3/ ours are all videoed
[16:05] <Randomskk> I can see why no one likes electronics
[16:05] <Randomskk> god
[16:05] <edmoore> haha
[16:05] <Randomskk> also he got things wrong
[16:06] <Randomskk> like having Q2 of an SR go high on R going high, then drop low again as R drops low
[16:06] <Randomskk> so now some 350 undergrads have that timing diagram in their notes
[16:07] <Randomskk> curiously Q1 behaves correctly, goes low as R goes high and then stays low even as R goes low again
[16:09] <Lunar_Lander> btw I got an E-Mail today
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Congratulations!
[16:09] <Lunar_Lander> DFS only needs launch position and launch time for issuing a NOTAM
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> yay :)
[16:16] earthshine_ (~earthshin@cpc3-orpi1-0-0-cust867.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined #highaltitude.
[16:21] <edmoore> Randomskk: send him your solution in Tikz http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/more-tikz-timing-examples/
[16:25] <Lunar_Lander> bbl
[16:25] Lunar_Lander (~83ad11b6@gateway/web/freenode/x-xgvljjfjaeslialz) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[16:32] N900evil (~Speedevil@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[16:36] juxta (fourtytwo@ppp118-210-231-183.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[16:36] juxta_ (~blah@ppp118-210-231-183.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net) joined #highaltitude.
[16:36] juxta_ (~blah@ppp118-210-231-183.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net) left irc: Client Quit
[16:38] jasonb (~jasonb@m450536d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[16:52] ContraSF (email@89.180.231.59) joined #highaltitude.
[17:06] jasonb (~jasonb@dsl027-180-244.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #highaltitude.
[17:19] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[17:19] <earthshine_> Hi Rick
[17:23] <LazyLeopard> Hiya
[17:41] <earthshine_> Trying to work out why the TinyGPS library is reading my altitude as 999999999
[17:47] <AlexBreton> earthshine: whoa
[17:47] <AlexBreton> earthshine: what's the weather like up there? :P
[17:47] <earthshine_> windy
[17:47] <AlexBreton> talk about high altitude
[17:47] <earthshine_> but not THAT windy
[17:47] <earthshine_> yeah - the NMEA strings are valid so TinyGPS is parsing it wrong somewhere
[17:53] natrium42 (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude.
[17:57] <russss> solar wind
[17:59] <natrium42> o/
[18:02] <DanielRichman> \o
[18:02] <earthshine_> \o/
[18:08] <earthshine_> strange
[18:08] <earthshine_> changed the baud rate to 4800 (instead of 9600) on the GPS module and now it reads correct altitude
[18:10] <earthshine_> Guys - What do you think of this idea........
[18:10] <Colin_> buffer overruns?
[18:10] <earthshine_> I plan on having 1 x Atmega328 to parse the NMEA and transmit it via the NTX2 and a seperate chip to do the datalogging
[18:11] <earthshine_> my thinking is by leaving the chip to concentrate on reading and sending the GPS data it is less likely to screw things up
[18:11] <earthshine_> the second chip will log data, read temp and pressure sensors, control servos, etc.
[18:11] <earthshine_> and the two IC's will communicate over SPI or something
[18:12] <earthshine_> am I overcomplicating things or does it sound sensible?
[18:12] <russss> I think in prectice you're going to be more likely to screw things up by having two
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> Well...
[18:12] <Colin_> kiss
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> you're adding complexity to remove complexity
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> why servos?
[18:12] <russss> that was the plan with BH4
[18:13] <earthshine_> mu thought process was.... less noise on the GPS circuit
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> It is very basic multitasking
[18:13] <earthshine_> servos to control the camera tilt mechanism
[18:14] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: did you figure out which airport was in the image?
[18:15] <Colin_> Yes, Lakenheath
[18:16] <earthshine_> Juxta: Ping
[18:16] <earthshine_> oh he's not here
[18:20] Jasperw (~jasperw@78-86-9-131.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[18:30] Hiena (~Hiena@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) joined #highaltitude.
[18:33] jcoxon (~jcoxon@92.40.163.42.sub.mbb.three.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[18:33] <jcoxon> ping earthshine
[18:34] Colin_ (Colin@207.125.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left #highaltitude.
[18:34] <earthshine> hi
[18:35] <jcoxon> just looking in the logs
[18:35] <jcoxon> one of the issues with a ublox gps and tinygps is that the gps gives out too many strings
[18:35] <earthshine> by slowing it down to 4800 it works
[18:35] <jcoxon> so you get funny serial overflows which mean that you lose the checksum at the end of the nmea
[18:35] <jcoxon> so it thinks its incorrect
[18:35] <earthshine> I think I need to disable everything except the GGA and RMC strings
[18:36] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:36] <jcoxon> thats what i do
[18:36] <jcoxon> do you want the cmds?
[18:36] <earthshine> cool i'll do that next
[18:36] <jcoxon> hold on
[18:36] <jcoxon> i spoke to hte tinygps author
[18:36] <earthshine> i can do it in the uCenter software
[18:36] <jcoxon> //Turning off all GPS NMEA strings apart from GPGGA on the uBlox modules
[18:36] <jcoxon> Serial.print("$PUBX,40,GLL,0,0,0,0*5C\r\n");
[18:36] <jcoxon> Serial.print("$PUBX,40,ZDA,0,0,0,0*44\r\n");
[18:36] <jcoxon> Serial.print("$PUBX,40,VTG,0,0,0,0*5E\r\n");
[18:36] <jcoxon> Serial.print("$PUBX,40,GSV,0,0,0,0*59\r\n");
[18:36] <jcoxon> Serial.print("$PUBX,40,GSA,0,0,0,0*4E\r\n");
[18:36] <jcoxon> hehe flood!
[18:37] <earthshine> cool thanks
[18:42] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-126.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[19:18] <earthshine_> Damn. I forgot pastebin was temporary.
[19:21] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-126.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[19:58] kc0wys (~adwiens@75-130-209-194.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[20:05] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-126.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]
[20:17] Luinar_Lander (~548877d3@gateway/web/freenode/x-sbcdjkrcsgflivwp) joined #highaltitude.
[20:17] <Luinar_Lander> hello
[20:17] Nick change: Luinar_Lander -> Lunar_Lander
[20:23] <earthshine_> hi
[20:27] Xenion (~robert@p579FC7E1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #highaltitude.
[20:28] Xenion (~robert@p579FC7E1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit
[20:48] natrium (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude.
[20:51] natrium42 (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[21:02] adwiens (~adwiens@resnet-pat25.nts.wustl.edu) joined #highaltitude.
[21:15] earthshine_ (~earthshin@cpc3-orpi1-0-0-cust867.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: Bye! www.EarthshineDesign.co.uk
[21:17] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-126.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) joined #highaltitude.
[21:18] natrium (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: My other car is a cdr.
[21:26] Lunar_Lander (~548877d3@gateway/web/freenode/x-sbcdjkrcsgflivwp) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[21:33] natrium42 (~natrium@CPE000625d867e2-CM0014045885be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #highaltitude.
[21:38] GW8RAK (~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-126.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]
[21:39] g4dpz (~quassel@cpc2-dudl10-2-0-cust38.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[21:45] jcoxon (~jcoxon@92.40.163.42.sub.mbb.three.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[22:03] Laurenceb (~laurence@host86-136-234-181.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) joined #highaltitude.
[22:07] <sbasuita> rjharrison: what sort of techniques did you use to post-process the colour of that favourite photo you have?
[22:13] <natrium42> sbasuita, are you going to make a panorama?
[22:15] <sbasuita> natrium42: i would love to; would it work with every 5 second photos?
[22:15] <sbasuita> I was also thinking about making a film out of them
[22:15] <Randomskk> ffmpeg will film them right up
[22:15] <natrium42> sbasuita, yeah, it should
[22:15] <natrium42> use kolor autopano pro
[22:16] Jasperw (~jasperw@78-86-9-131.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[22:16] <sbasuita> natrium42: linux?
[22:16] <natrium42> nope, but might work under wine
[22:16] <Randomskk> hugin for linux does decent panos
[22:16] <Randomskk> free
[22:16] <sbasuita> that's the one
[22:16] <sbasuita> i've used hugin before
[22:16] <sbasuita> so what's the workflow?
[22:16] <Randomskk> esp with autosift and others
[22:17] <sbasuita> since i have no idea which ones will stitch
[22:17] <Randomskk> load all pictures, click go, it does it automatically really
[22:17] <natrium42> autopano is a spinoff of the guy who invented SIFT features
[22:17] <Randomskk> best find ones that will stitch first
[22:17] <natrium42> which are the best in town
[22:17] Action: sbasuita puts away unfinished english essay; installs hugin
[22:18] <natrium42> :D
[22:18] <natrium42> great launch, btw!
[22:18] <sbasuita> cheers
[22:18] <natrium42> great success /borat
[22:19] <sbasuita> great success /our physics teacher
[22:19] <edmoore> the guy who invented SIFT was about in the sig proc lab recently. deep in conversation with the guy who invented complex wavelets.
[22:19] <sbasuita> ;P
[22:19] <edmoore> there was a decent concentration of cleverness there
[22:19] <natrium42> edmoore, haha, cool
[22:20] <edmoore> right, night all
[22:20] <natrium42> nite
[22:20] edmoore (~ed@pluto.trinhall.cam.ac.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye
[22:22] Hiena (~Hiena@81.93.195.181.datatrans.hu) left irc: Quit: -=Got bored from the net. Gone blowing up things.=-
[22:30] <sbasuita> natrium42: how do i set hugin to do a 'ball' panorama or whatever
[22:30] <sbasuita> do you know what i mean?
[22:30] <natrium42> just do a cylindrical projection first
[22:31] <natrium42> then there's a photoshop (and probably gimp) filter to do it
[22:31] <sbasuita> right
[22:31] <natrium42> polar something
[22:33] SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[22:33] SpeedEvil1 (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) joined #highaltitude.
[22:35] <sbasuita> let's see what happens when we try and stitch 60 images :P
[22:36] Nick change: SpeedEvil1 -> SpeedEvil
[22:41] Action: SpeedEvil watches as sbasuita runs out of thread.
[22:41] <Upu> I get it :)
[22:47] <sbasuita> pfff... would make sense if hugin was actually multi-core
[22:48] <sbasuita> which shouldn't really be hard to implement
[22:49] <Upu> taking a while ?
[22:50] <earthshine> hugin crashes on my Mac
[22:51] <sbasuita> Upu: 80% matching
[22:51] <fsphil> hugin killed my last hdd :)
[22:51] <Upu> great pictures by the way
[22:54] <sbasuita> nice
[22:54] <sbasuita> only 1 image didn't match
[22:54] <sbasuita> aligning now
[22:56] <Snomi> sbasuita: align it better
[22:57] <sbasuita> this is going to take a while...
[22:57] <sbasuita> better be worth it
[22:57] <fsphil> did you add all the images?
[22:58] <sbasuita> fsphil: 60
[22:58] <sbasuita> which had the same cloud patter
[22:58] <sbasuita> which projection do i want?
[22:59] <Upu> Night all
[22:59] Upu (~Upu@ubn.upuaut.net) left irc:
[23:00] AlexBreton (~Alexander@client-80-5-40-26.cht-bng-014.adsl.virginmedia.net) left irc: Quit: AlexBreton
[23:05] <sbasuita> Too many arguments (images). Try using the %s parameter in preferences.
[23:05] <sbasuita> what
[23:05] <sbasuita> Could not execute command: autopano-complete
[23:05] <sbasuita> ...
[23:07] <sbasuita> (126 images)
[23:07] <sbasuita> now what
[23:07] <sbasuita> hmm wonder what s does
[23:07] <fsphil> try again with a couple, see of it's a memory issue
[23:08] <sbasuita> fsphil: it works with ~60
[23:08] <sbasuita> i wasn't close to running out
[23:08] <sbasuita> adding %s option does nothing
[23:08] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, have you got any results yet?
[23:08] <DanielRichman> any decent ones?
[23:08] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yeah
[23:09] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: needs tuning but it basically works
[23:09] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, send me something to gawp at
[23:10] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: need to figure out what's wrong with 120 pics
[23:10] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, yeah but what was the 60pic one like
[23:11] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: didn't save it
[23:12] <sbasuita> [100853.992239] hugin[22060]: segfault at fffffffffffffffc ip 00007f2c9348f6f9 sp 00007fffaaf04f00 error 4 in libc-2.10.1.so[7f2c93415000+166000]
[23:12] <sbasuita> [100853.992937] hugin[22486]: segfault at 4 ip 00007f2c9345da87 sp 00007fffaaf01f90 error 4 in libc-2.10.1.so[7f2c93415000+166000]
[23:12] <sbasuita> awesome
[23:12] <DanielRichman> goal
[23:12] <Snomi> seqfault
[23:12] <Snomi> oq
[23:12] <Snomi> og
[23:14] <fsphil> eep
[23:14] <Snomi> fsphil: sup
[23:14] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: figured out the problem
[23:14] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: its a limitation of the toolkit
[23:14] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: no more than 127 arguments
[23:15] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: cba workaround, just deleted 10 pics ;)
[23:15] <DanielRichman> that's poor
[23:15] <sbasuita> being shouted at
[23:15] <sbasuita> bbiab
[23:15] <DanielRichman> though to be fair... practically your panoramas arn't going to be >127 pics
[23:15] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, enjoy
[23:24] Jasperw (~jasperw@92.40.119.76.sub.mbb.three.co.uk) joined #highaltitude.
[23:26] fsphil (~phil@2001:470:1f09:483:21f:c6ff:fe44:b25b) left irc: Quit: Oi!
[23:37] LazyLeopard (~irc-clien@chocky.demon.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Bye
[23:54] SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[00:00] --- Tue May 4 2010