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[04:18] <juxta|console> anybody up? :)
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[07:09] <sbasuita> morning :
[07:09] <sbasuita> :)
[07:10] <juxta|console> it's way to early for you to be up on a sunday sbasuita
[07:10] <juxta|console> go back to bed ;p
[07:10] <sbasuita> juxta|console: lol its surprisingly easy to jump out of bed when you have a mission to do.... not so much when you have a day of school to look forward to
[07:11] <juxta|console> haha
[07:11] <juxta|console> so launch in a couple of hours?
[07:11] <sbasuita> 1300
[07:11] <sbasuita> damn
[07:11] <sbasuita> forecast has brought the rain upon us
[07:12] <juxta|console> oh right, I thought I read 09:00
[07:12] <juxta|console> I was going to ask why you guys were transmitting temp in hex
[07:12] <sbasuita> juxta|console: 0900 is when we leave for camb ;)
[07:13] <sbasuita> juxta|console: well the temp sensors give it to us in hex
[07:13] <sbasuita> but tbf i think its just nobody bothered to convert it
[07:13] <juxta|console> oh right - onewire sensors?
[07:13] <sbasuita> yep
[07:13] <juxta|console> ah okayt
[07:13] <sbasuita> time to wake up alex
[07:13] <juxta|console> I just cheat and use the easy library ;p
[07:14] Action: sbasuita gets the 817 whip
[07:14] <juxta|console> will you guys be going in Rob's car?
[07:14] <sbasuita> no, my dad is driving
[07:14] <juxta|console> or a seperate chase car?
[07:14] <juxta|console> oh righto
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[07:17] <sbasuita> juxta|console: i see you got up for the dawn launch ;P
[07:18] <juxta|console> haha
[07:18] <juxta|console> it's 3:45pm here
[07:18] <sbasuita> ah yeah ofc
[07:18] <sbasuita> you're in australia
[07:18] <sbasuita> ?
[07:18] <juxta|console> yup
[07:26] <fsphil> morning all
[07:39] <sbasuita> Latest amateur radio news:
[07:39] <sbasuita> ALIEN Project: Reading students to launch high-altitude balloon ALIEN-1 on Sunday
[07:40] <sbasuita> http://www.rsgb.org.uk/
[07:40] <sbasuita> ; )
[07:41] <fsphil> cool, and no typos .. the rsgb is improving :)
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[08:13] <earthshine> morning
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[08:15] <earthshine> someone needs to flush the data from spacenear.us
[08:19] <sbasuita> earthshine: if you see natrium please remind him to download the wind data for spacenear.us/tracker
[08:19] <earthshine> will do
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[08:26] <earthshine> juxta why the 'console' bit?
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[08:33] <earthshine> well if the weather at EARS is anything like the weather in Orpington i don't see how they will launch today
[08:35] <juxta|console> earthshine: i'm on a shell at the moment, I needed something to differentiate between my usual session :)
[08:44] <earthshine> i see
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[08:55] <sbasuita> jcoxon: hey could you pull dan's fixes into your git please?
[08:55] <jcoxon> oh course
[08:55] <jcoxon> am doing your gfs data for you right now
[08:56] <jcoxon> is the git pull urgent?
[08:56] <jcoxon> you planning on using it today?
[08:56] <sbasuita> jcoxon: it fixes the windows build
[08:56] <sbasuita> dan made this also
[08:56] <sbasuita> http://github.com/downloads/danielrichman/dl-fldigi-windows-build/dl-fldigi~2-3.20.0b9_setup.exe
[08:56] <jcoxon> i'm not sure we should be recommending that yet
[08:57] <jcoxon> people should still be using -r8x of dl-fldigi
[09:03] <sbasuita> jcoxon: http://alienproject.wordpress.com/2010/05/02/dl-fldigi/
[09:03] <sbasuita> we're off
[09:04] <jcoxon> good luck
[09:05] <fsphil> I tried the windows build on my xp laptop last night, it didn't seem to be downloading the xml file
[09:05] <fsphil> though I have very little free disk space on it, don't know if it was a bug or just no room
[09:06] <jcoxon> yeah i really think we should advise against v2
[09:06] <jcoxon> i appreciate the effort dan has gone to get it working before the launch but its a tough one to debug remotely
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[09:13] <fsphil> hehe "Beta, but better" ... I can't believe it's not beta!
[09:13] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!jcoxon@92.40.8.66.sub.mbb.three.co.uk: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, wiki.ukhas.org.uk, Icarus II and ALIEN-1 Launches 2/5/10 ~13:30 UTC, follow on http://spacenear.us/tracker
[09:13] <jcoxon> well lets promote r8x for a little bit longer
[09:13] <jcoxon> then we should slowly roll out version 2 to people
[09:14] <chembrow> has icarus launched? there was a mention of a 4am start on friday
[09:14] <fsphil> at the very least, the linux version worked like a champion for our launch
[09:14] <jcoxon> chembrow, doesn't appear to have
[09:15] <jcoxon> fsphil, yeah it works well on osx but considering the windows build only just materalised and thats are most common platform i'm going to get everyone to hold their horses
[09:15] <chembrow> jcoxon: thanks, thought as much but wasn't sure if I was just missing somthing
[09:15] <jcoxon> are-> our
[09:15] <fsphil> oh I agree
[09:15] <fsphil> hopefully one of the guys can test the windows version today
[09:16] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:16] <jcoxon> also need to sort the resizing issue
[09:16] <jcoxon> okay i'm just going to test something on the tracker
[09:16] <jcoxon> please ignore
[09:17] <jcoxon> good good - predictions are all working
[09:18] <fsphil> where about is EARS at?
[09:19] <jcoxon> its a few miles west of cambridge
[09:21] <jcoxon> okay will bbl, if i'm need get them to email me
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[09:49] Action: LazyLeopard spots the topic. Ah. Hope the weather's improved by then. It's horribly soggy here at present.
[09:50] <LazyLeopard> ...and there's something digital splattered all over Icarus' fequency...
[09:51] <fsphil> I've got a lovely 'woooshy' sound on 434.075
[09:54] <LazyLeopard> There's a steady quiet toe on that frequency her.
[09:55] <LazyLeopard> tone, even.
[09:55] <GW8RAK> Just white noise here and not too bad at that. What are the plans/timings for Icarus?
[09:56] <fsphil> whenever rjharrison wakes up I think :)
[09:57] <GW8RAK> Oh. Like that is it. (Can't work out how to do smileys)
[09:57] <fsphil> just a colon and a close bracket : )
[09:57] <GW8RAK> It creates them automatically.
[09:58] <GW8RAK> Got time for breakfast then a chance to get the big aerial up
[09:58] <fsphil> the beastie
[09:59] <fsphil> I'm using a vertical today, which at this range is wishful thinking :)
[09:59] <chembrow> fsphil: where are you based?
[09:59] <fsphil> but I got a great signal with the yagi last time, even when it was still sitting on the ground!
[09:59] <juxta|console> does anybody remember the article on hackaday about the guy who made a 3d render of his face using a rangerfinder on a servo?
[10:00] <fsphil> chembrow, I'm in the middle of N.Ireland
[10:00] <fsphil> lol juxta|console, nope but I gotta find that
[10:00] <chembrow> fsphil: that bodes well for me then :) I'm only in Stoke
[10:00] <chembrow> juxta|console not specifically, but I've seen similar projects
[10:01] <fsphil> chembrow, absolutely. the range is amazing as long as you've got line of site and a half decent receiver
[10:01] <juxta|console> hmm, trying to find one to point a friend in the right direction, any links? ;p
[10:01] <juxta|console> wait - I found it :)
[10:01] <juxta|console> he actually used a laser, a record turntable, and a scanner
[10:02] <chembrow> hopefully half decent. An AOR AR8000 and a yagi I frigged together last night
[10:02] <juxta|console> actually a camera, not a scanner
[10:03] <fsphil> found that one too
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[10:33] <futurity> morning
[10:42] <earthshine> can someone remember the name of that OSX software that lets you hear the audio from the input ?
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[10:42] <earthshine> linein
[10:43] <earthshine> got it
[10:43] <earthshine> Any ETA for launch?
[10:45] <fsphil> no word yet
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[10:50] <earthshine> Roberts Tracker needs to be flushed of data
[10:57] <LazyLeopard> Nothing more recent than the 13:30 in the topic...
[10:58] <futurity> earthshine: Rob said he may not launch due to weather and ground conditions at the site
[10:58] <futurity> Rob did say Aliens expected to arrive on aite around 11am
[10:59] <futurity> *site
[11:00] <futurity> are we bst yet?
[11:00] <futurity> is this time 12:30am UK time
[11:00] <futurity> 12:30pm i mean
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> yes
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> Note the bright shiny thing, and the temperatures over 5C
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[11:02] <futurity> lol, well the UK weather in summer is only slightly warmer than it is in winter
[11:02] <futurity> i do note leaves though so it must be summer ;)
[11:04] <SpeedEvil> It's 12.5C in here - positively warm.
[11:04] <futurity> Rosting ;)
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[11:04] <futurity> SpeedEvil: are you on site?
[11:04] <SpeedEvil> no
[11:05] <futurity> i just hope the ground isn't a mudbath
[11:05] <GW8RAK> Does anyone know the carrier shift for Alien?
[11:05] <futurity> there are a lot of people there for the whole weekend
[11:05] <futurity> nope
[11:06] <futurity> brb
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[11:32] <jcoxon> hmmm not much seems to be happening
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[11:32] <LazyLeopard> Eeek! Wind just blew my yagi's pole over.
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[11:33] <jcoxon> looks like not the perfect weather conditions
[11:33] <fsphil> oh no!
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[11:36] <jcoxon> looks like a number of people are using the new dl-fldigi
[11:37] <g7fal> Gusting up to 15mph here near peterborough, maybe a bit to strong?
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> Lovely clear pretty windless day up here in Fife. Y'all should launch from here :)
[11:37] <jcoxon> g7fal, yeah, depends on where they plan to fill
[11:37] <fsphil> or here, calm but really cold
[11:37] <jcoxon> its not too bad down here either
[11:38] <jcoxon> seems like east anglia isn't great today
[11:38] <jcoxon> if they can rapidly fill and release then shouldn't be an issue
[11:38] Action: jcoxon likes the way that on spacenear.us the stations appear - we've got a good spread these days
[11:39] <LazyLeopard> Getting it gusty here. I've tied the top of the pole to the window, so with a bit of luck it won't blow over again....
[11:39] <fsphil> was just looking at that .. just missing a few receivers in scotland
[11:39] <SpeedEvil> It even (with 5m/s or over) lands on the hard stuff.
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: well - none have line of sight - even at 30km
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: for much of scotland at least
[11:40] <jcoxon> we really need some on norfolk
[11:40] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, one day i'll get one to come up towards you...
[11:40] <fsphil> yea, they will have in the south -- Edinburgh should just be within range
[11:40] <jcoxon> on -> in
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[11:41] <SpeedEvil> But in range at 30km is almost pointless
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> well - other than as a 'cool - I recieved it'
[11:41] <fsphil> which is exactly why I'm trying today ;-)
[11:41] <jcoxon> fsphil, you going for the record then?
[11:42] <jcoxon> payload has been turned on
[11:42] <jcoxon> A1
[11:42] <fsphil> give it a shot -- I heard rjharrison's last launch very clearly, but didn't get the laptop hooked up quickly enough to decode it
[11:42] <jcoxon> no lock currently
[11:43] <jcoxon> i think i'm going to add a twitter script to zeusbot
[11:43] <jcoxon> so it can update the channel with who ever is launchings twitter stream
[11:43] <jcoxon> but thats a job for post exams
[11:43] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[11:46] <g4dpz> Cambridge aeronautical forecast is 0900 - 1800 040 13 kts with short term 15kt gusting 25kt
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[11:59] <futurity> leaving for the site shortly
[11:59] <futurity> been told a short while ago launch around 1pm BST
[11:59] <futurity> 2pm UTC
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[11:59] <futurity> is this still correct does anyone know?
[12:00] <russss> err. 1pm BST is 12:00 UTC ;)
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[12:00] <futurity> oops
[12:00] <fsphil> hehe
[12:01] <futurity> good job i'm working to BST then ;)
[12:01] <futurity> ttfn
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[12:06] <G3VZV_Graham> uum are we awaiting an icarus or alien flight?
[12:06] <AlienProject_> G3VZV_Graham, we're @ launch sitte; it's still on for ~1300
[12:07] <G3VZV_Graham> ok thanks - which configuration should we use in fldigi?
[12:07] <AlienProject_> a1
[12:08] <G3VZV_Graham> ok I dont see that option in my version ...am checking..
[12:08] <Snomi> AlienProject_: reading fc kick off is 1pm
[12:08] <AlienProject_> Snomi, k
[12:08] <Snomi> reading vs preston
[12:09] Nick change: AlienProject_ -> AlienProject
[12:09] <russss> fldigi doesn't like my sound card that much
[12:09] <AlienProject> :(
[12:09] <russss> it works
[12:09] <Snomi> gl AlienProject
[12:09] <russss> but it hangs periodically for a couple of seconds.
[12:09] <russss> I have a slightly estoteric sound card anyhow
[12:10] <Snomi> w00t hanging
[12:10] <Snomi> ima go now cya later
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[12:16] <jcoxon> russss, what OS?
[12:16] <russss> linux
[12:16] <jcoxon> portaudio or OSS?
[12:16] <AlienProject> jcoxon, a1 isn't in the list
[12:16] <AlienProject> jcoxon, should it be in payloads.php?
[12:17] <AlienProject> ((it's in the ~2 list becuase that searches *.xml))
[12:17] <russss> it actually seems to be working OK at the moment.
[12:17] <jcoxon> AlienProject, good point
[12:17] <jcoxon> will fix
[12:17] <AlienProject> G3VZV_Graham, ^
[12:17] <AlienProject> jcoxon, thanks
[12:18] <jcoxon> G3VZV_Graham, okay done, will need to restart dl-fldigi
[12:18] <AlienProject> jcoxon, shout when done
[12:18] <jcoxon> AlienProject, get M6DRX to put in his lat/lon for now
[12:19] <russss> I've got some interesting interference on 434.075
[12:19] <jcoxon> as you'll be providing a lot of the points it'll put the cool green lines between points and stations
[12:19] <jcoxon> ping earthshine
[12:19] <fsphil> nice and clear on 434.075 here atm
[12:20] <jcoxon> some people really need to upgrade their fldigi - still using ridiculously old version
[12:20] <jcoxon> s
[12:20] <russss> I've got a minicab firm next door which probably doesn't help
[12:20] <russss> I haven't managed to find their frequency yet though.
[12:21] <jcoxon> my local uses 431.20 i think
[12:21] <fsphil> on the amateur band?
[12:21] <jcoxon> yup
[12:21] <russss> I found the buses on friday :P
[12:21] <jcoxon> naughty naugty
[12:21] <russss> on 2m
[12:22] <fsphil> I got radio 5-live on 2m, but only parts of it -- one half of a conversation, long silences. weird stuff
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[12:23] <g4dpz> running fldigi ok on mac, ready and waiting in the midlands
[12:26] <russss> oh, ha
[12:26] <russss> I know what this interference is
[12:26] <russss> it's my CurrentCost
[12:26] <russss> http://www.currentcost.com/
[12:26] <russss> it sends a wideband burst every 5 seconds
[12:27] <fsphil> cheeky
[12:27] <russss> well, it is an unlicensed frequency ;)
[12:27] <russss> I might have to turn it off for the moment
[12:27] <russss> which requires finding a screwdriver to undo the battery compartment...
[12:28] <fsphil> wrap it in tinfoil
[12:28] <jcoxon> are people running the 'stable' dl-fldigi able to select A1 payload?
[12:30] <AlienProject> jcoxon, I've selected it succesfully
[12:31] <fsphil> seemed to work fine
[12:31] <fsphil> it's in the list anyway
[12:31] <AlienProject> we got lock
[12:31] <G8DSU> jcoxon: I confirm that I can see A1 payload in the list having restarted dl-fldigi85...
[12:31] <fsphil> there we are, see you on the map
[12:31] <russss> I need to go for a shower then get my antenna onto the roof.
[12:32] <earthshine> back
[12:32] <fsphil> near some trees
[12:32] <jcoxon> earthshine, you really need to upgrade your dl-fldigi!
[12:32] <jcoxon> still using r63!
[12:33] <earthshine> that's the most up to date .dmg on google code
[12:33] <jcoxon> no its not!
[12:33] Action: G3VZV_Graham has A1 now listed ok - thanks
[12:34] <earthshine> oh hang on there is an 83
[12:34] <jcoxon> there is an r83.dmg
[12:34] <earthshine> INSTALLING!!!
[12:34] <jcoxon> hehe
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[12:34] <jcoxon> that said
[12:34] <jcoxon> if you want i could make you a r102 dmg
[12:34] <jcoxon> won't take too long
[12:35] <fsphil> lol
[12:35] <earthshine> nothing's launched yet has it ?
[12:35] <jcoxon> nope
[12:35] <fsphil> current predicted landing site is a nice uneventful field
[12:35] <russss> oh great. My boiler's broken.
[12:36] <fsphil> eek, now it's in a town :)
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[12:37] <Randomskk> back
[12:37] <fsphil> wb
[12:37] <earthshine> i see a landing spot in the channel
[12:37] <earthshine> oh now it's changed
[12:37] <Randomskk> we still green to go?
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[12:44] <jcoxon> g4dpz, i'm ot sure you are up and running
[12:44] <AlienProject> gaffa tapage is in process
[12:44] <jcoxon> haven't appeared on the station list
[12:44] <AlienProject> jcoxon, can you confirm that a1 is on spacenear.us?
[12:44] <AlienProject> should be at the launch site
[12:45] <earthshine> i'm decoding white noise and it came up with the word QYACLIN
[12:45] <jcoxon> yes its tehere
[12:47] <fsphil> could be white noise, or a perl program?
[12:47] <earthshine> The DL Client is ICarus right?
[12:47] <jcoxon> A1
[12:47] <jcoxon> icarus isn't flying it seems
[12:47] <earthshine> roger
[12:47] <jcoxon> just the alien team
[12:47] <earthshine> why not ?
[12:47] <fsphil> just to confirm, freq. is 434.075?
[12:47] <jcoxon> fsphil, yes
[12:47] <fsphil> tx
[12:51] <earthshine> why is my release showing as r78 and not r83 ?
[12:53] <jcoxon> oh we didn't update the internal revision variable
[12:53] <jcoxon> nothing to worry about
[12:53] <earthshine> k
[12:54] <jcoxon> we'll be rolling out dl-fldigi 2 soon anyway
[12:54] <AlienProject> jcoxon, I can confirm that icarus launch is looking unlikely
[12:55] <jcoxon> thanks
[12:55] <jcoxon> reasons?
[12:58] <earthshine> If Roberts' tracker page is being used then someone needs to clear the cache
[12:58] <jcoxon> earthshine, use http://spacenear.us/tracker
[12:58] <jcoxon> nice and clean
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[12:59] <earthshine> yeah i have that open too
[12:59] <jcoxon> i don't have access to the other tracker, only this one
[13:00] <earthshine> why are the time logs showing 2 hours in the future?
[13:00] <earthshine> oh hang on - that's last time data received
[13:01] <earthshine> can the spacertnear map be made larger?
[13:01] <earthshine> spacenear*
[13:01] <earthshine> on my screen res. it is tiny
[13:01] <jcoxon> you can resize the map
[13:02] <earthshine> how?
[13:03] <jcoxon> drag the bottom of the map (though, above teh "Track in Google Earth" link though not the overall box
[13:03] <earthshine> ahh yes - cool thanks
[13:04] <earthshine> shame that can't be done horizontally too
[13:07] <G3VZV_Graham> any estimate of launch time?
[13:08] <jcoxon> reckon they are just finishing rigging up the lines and will start filling
[13:08] <jcoxon> 30mins or so i guess
[13:08] <G3VZV_Graham> tnxs:)
[13:08] <AlienProject> finished duct tape
[13:08] <AlienProject> need to rig then fill
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[13:10] <russss> now my antenna is on the roof I have lots of new and interesting interference!
[13:10] <earthshine> i wonder why Rick isn't on
[13:11] <jcoxon> earthshine, he was earlier - then his antenna blew over
[13:12] Action: LazyLeopard is here...
[13:12] <earthshine> Hi Rick
[13:12] <russss> it would be nice if fldigi had the facility to just pipe input to output, so I can listen on my headphones.
[13:12] <earthshine> russss do you have a PC or Mac ?
[13:12] <russss> linux ;)
[13:12] <russss> I could probably rig something up
[13:12] <russss> but I'm lazy and hung over
[13:12] <earthshine> there is some software for OSX called LineIn that let's you do that
[13:13] <earthshine> there must be something for 'nix
[13:13] <Randomskk> russss: linux it should be easy
[13:13] <LazyLeopard> ...and now I've put dl-fldigi online and enabled extraction and uploading.
[13:13] <Randomskk> just run alsamixer and unmute/up volume on line in/mic input
[13:14] <fsphil> whoa, nasty buzzing on 434.075
[13:15] Action: russss listens to taxis while he waits
[13:16] <fsphil> what freq. do you hear them on?
[13:16] <fsphil> don't think I've ever heard them
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[13:16] <russss> lots on 70cm
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[13:16] <Randomskk> I wonder if I can get it on the whip the whole flight
[13:16] <fsphil> I get some airport chatter on 70cm, and the little 446 PMR radios
[13:16] <russss> wtf! I've got planes!
[13:17] <russss> I thought they were on a lower frequency
[13:17] <Randomskk> cba heading outside, laptop has old dl-fldigi and it is wet and cold
[13:17] <russss> this is ground chatter too
[13:17] <Randomskk> my window is north facing sadly but I can probably point a yagi out
[13:17] <fsphil> russss, probably planes on the runway
[13:17] <jcoxon> Randomskk, yeah short flight path easy on the whip
[13:17] <Randomskk> jcoxon: yea, I reckon it could probably do it
[13:17] <jcoxon> i did whip from london for a number of flights
[13:17] <Randomskk> should have los for a lot of it
[13:18] <russss> yeah, heathrow ground
[13:18] <Randomskk> I should make a mini yagi, just one or two elements, for situations like this
[13:18] <russss> I just heard Air Canada 851. It seems to be late.
[13:18] <jcoxon> thats why i like moxons
[13:18] <Randomskk> much less awkward to use and work still quite well for close signals
[13:18] <jcoxon> as they are tiny
[13:18] <jcoxon> i have my attached outside my window
[13:18] <Randomskk> much better than just a one or two ele yagi?
[13:18] <fsphil> I wish I had my yagi on the roof
[13:18] <jcoxon> well tehy are a 2 ele yagi
[13:19] <jcoxon> in theory/sort of
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[13:19] <jcoxon> yay 60!
[13:19] <juxta_> hehe
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[13:19] <jcoxon> grrr juxta is twice
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[13:20] <Randomskk> grr opening fldigi cuts off my sound
[13:20] <Randomskk> what
[13:20] <juxta_> Randomskk: using OSS?
[13:20] <AlienProject> balloon filling has commenced
[13:20] <Randomskk> pulseaudio
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[13:20] <juxta_> hmm
[13:20] <juxta_> awesome AlienProject :)
[13:20] <G8DSU> Jcoxon: Presume that your Moxon is vertically polarised? Coat hanger wire, or something better?
[13:20] <juxta_> is there a ustream feed today?
[13:20] <fsphil> pulseaudio -- evil and cool at the same time
[13:20] <earthshine> Why is there a need for different clients?
[13:21] <earthshine> Surely we should have one agreed standard?
[13:21] <jcoxon> G8DSU, yeah
[13:21] <russss> I should throw together a moxon
[13:21] <juxta_> earthshine: hmm?
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[13:21] <russss> although it's wet outside, and this omni seems to work quite well
[13:22] <jcoxon> just 2 bent coathangers with some tubing in between to keep the gaps then stuck on a small pipe with cable ties
[13:22] <fsphil> how much loss would I expect over 10m of RG58? would it be worth while using a shorter cable?
[13:23] <jcoxon> G8DSU, being in london is weird - get interesting reflections off the surrounding buildings
[13:23] <fsphil> (at 70cm)
[13:23] <juxta_> fsphil: shorter is better, but it should be just fine :)
[13:23] <russss> 0.35 dB/m apparently
[13:23] <jcoxon> fsphil, that can be calculated! there are some online loss calcs
[13:24] <fsphil> thanks guys
[13:25] <fsphil> calculator says 3db loss -- that about right?
[13:25] <Randomskk> <russss> 0.35 dB/m apparently
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[13:25] <fsphil> sheesh, I'm blind
[13:25] <Randomskk> <fsphil> how much loss would I expect over 10m of RG58?
[13:25] <Randomskk> 10 * 0.35 :P
[13:25] <Randomskk> so yea, about right
[13:25] <fsphil> sorry russss, missed that entirely
[13:25] <russss> ;)
[13:25] <russss> (plus connectors)
[13:26] <Randomskk> yea
[13:26] <Randomskk> so many silly losses
[13:26] <Randomskk> you can get superlossy cable actually
[13:26] <Randomskk> cable that is just really really lossy
[13:26] <Randomskk> consequentially acts as an antenna over its entire length
[13:26] <russss> leaky feeder
[13:26] <fsphil> yea, our TV installer used super lossy cable
[13:26] <fsphil> at least that was the effect, if not the intention
[13:26] <G8DSU> Sadly, no useful reflections here in TW1, so have a mobile colinear gaffer taped to a long bit of wood out of the south facing window to give me a better chance of receiving stuff from East Anglia. Must build a yagi and get it on the roof - though domestic opposition to that idea yet to be overcome...
[13:27] <russss> it seems like some of the old RG cables are a lot lossier than equivalent more modern cables.
[13:27] <Randomskk> loads of houses have massive yagis for broadcast FM
[13:27] <russss> but they still make them because everyone knows the name
[13:27] Action: earthshine is decoding white noise for fun
[13:27] <fsphil> nothing meaningful appearing here earthshine, what you getting?
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[13:28] <earthshine> i got the word 'IDEDIP'
[13:29] <juxta_> is Rob launching today too?
[13:29] <earthshine> RTTY 75 seems to give the best results
[13:29] <Randomskk> juxta_: apparently probably not
[13:29] <russss> heh
[13:29] <juxta_> oh right
[13:30] <fsphil> heh, got S=S+N
[13:30] <Randomskk> earthshine: wait long enough and you'll get something profound, statistically
[13:30] <juxta_> why not Randomskk?
[13:30] <Randomskk> juxta_: launch site conditions or something?
[13:30] <Laurenceb> whens the launch?
[13:30] <Laurenceb> or has it lifted off?
[13:30] <juxta_> fair enough - what's the weather like today?
[13:30] <earthshine> these could be coded messages from 'the other side'
[13:30] <Randomskk> wet, cold, miserable here in cambs
[13:30] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: any tim enow
[13:30] <fsphil> sun just came out here
[13:31] <Colin_> It's actually starting to brighten up in Cambridge itself
[13:31] <Randomskk> Colin_: I'm dubious
[13:31] <Randomskk> it's still totally overcast
[13:31] <Randomskk> not actually raining at least
[13:31] <earthshine> lol - switched to PSK and got 'meow'
[13:31] <russss> it was very wet when I went up to the roof.
[13:32] <fsphil> haha
[13:32] <Colin_> Randomskk: yes, but it's getting much brighter
[13:32] <fsphil> lol -- I just got ascii art spam
[13:32] <Randomskk> I guess so.
[13:32] <russss> when it's dryer I'd like to get a GPS altitude of my roof, looks like I have quite a good radio horizon
[13:32] <Colin_> so what rtty settings should I be using? (I'm a newbie at this balloon stuff
[13:33] Action: Randomskk still needs to build a nice wx station and deploy it around here somewhere
[13:33] <earthshine> Just go to DL CLient and choose A1
[13:33] <russss> my antenna is on top of a 3m bit of PVC pipe
[13:33] <Colin_> earthshine: I only have fldigi, not the dl version
[13:33] <Randomskk> you need the dl version
[13:33] <jcoxon> Colin_, check out http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[13:33] <Randomskk> well
[13:33] <Randomskk> else you can't really upload
[13:33] <Randomskk> just view on your own screen a load of text
[13:33] <Randomskk> not quite as fun
[13:33] <fsphil> I'm about 80m/120m up here (depending on which gps receiver you believe), and the antenna is 3 meters above the roof
[13:34] <Randomskk> what OS are you running Colin_?
[13:34] <Colin_> Randomskk: yes, I know, but fldigi was packaged for Debian and the dl- version doesn't seem to be and I haven't had time to dl/build/install it
[13:34] <Randomskk> what debian?
[13:34] <Colin_> Squeeze i386
[13:35] <Randomskk> hmm
[13:35] <fsphil> I'm sure I seen deb packages floating about
[13:35] <fsphil> thought it could be for an older version
[13:35] <Colin_> not in the Debian archive though
[13:35] <Randomskk> I may be able to compile a statically linked bin for you on my laptop, it's ubuntu i386
[13:35] <Randomskk> libs will be all wrong for a linked binary
[13:35] <fsphil> nope, unlikely dl-fldigi will appear in debian proper
[13:35] <Randomskk> also, guys, libjpeg is a build dep now but configure doesn't check for it
[13:36] <Randomskk> fsphil: your ssdv thing I think
[13:36] <Colin_> if anyone can point me at a debian package then I could install it
[13:36] <Randomskk> hmm
[13:36] <fsphil> Randomskk, it already was a dependency before I added that -- the fltk library uses it
[13:36] <Randomskk> fsphil: really, huh
[13:36] <Randomskk> my configure passed with all yeses
[13:36] <Colin_> Randomskk: sounds like someone needs to build a debian package and get it uploaded - which could be me since I'm a DD
[13:36] <Randomskk> but make failed on missing libjpeg
[13:36] <Randomskk> Colin_: I have deb5 around
[13:37] <Randomskk> could compile you a package on that, but it'l take a bit to get set up and deps installed
[13:37] <fsphil> configure script never looked for it
[13:37] <Randomskk> fsphil: okay
[13:37] <jcoxon> Colin_, if so you might as well skip straight to the new version of dl-fldigi
[13:37] <Randomskk> well it should at any rate
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[13:37] <fsphil> yep
[13:37] <Colin_> jcoxon: true, although picking up an earlier package often helps with getting the config correct more quickly
[13:38] <jcoxon> very true
[13:38] <fsphil> also one warning: if using new dl-fldigi with old fldigi, don't pick a custom rtty shift or old fldigi will crash on startup
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[13:38] <Randomskk> Colin_: want me to build you a statically linked binary for now?
[13:38] <jcoxon> fsphil, never thought of that - damn new features!
[13:39] <Randomskk> it doesn't take very long to compile though
[13:39] <fsphil> yep, pesky progress ;-)
[13:39] <jcoxon> fsphil, we should have a dl-fldigi meeting soon (of the developers - and that includes you!)
[13:39] <Colin_> Randomskk: if you can do it before the launch then ok, otherwise don't worry
[13:39] <Randomskk> git clone, autoreconf, configure, make, ensuring you have appropriate dev headers for your sound system, libjpeg, libpng dev headers
[13:39] <fsphil> absolutely!
[13:40] <jcoxon> do a proper multiplatform binary release
[13:40] <jcoxon> Randomskk, and libcurl
[13:40] <jcoxon> well multiple packages for each release
[13:40] <Colin_> jcoxon: well If I do an official Debian package then it will have to work on about 11 archs
[13:41] <Randomskk> Colin_: compiling it now
[13:41] <Colin_> Ta
[13:41] <jcoxon> Colin_, i mean OSX and windows
[13:41] <Randomskk> "should" work
[13:41] <jcoxon> :-p
[13:41] Action: earthshine is going to make a cup of coffee
[13:41] <jcoxon> we would certainly benefit from a debian package
[13:41] <Colin_> Ah, we appear to have a launch!
[13:42] <jcoxon> need to get our documentation and licencing sorted though
[13:42] <fsphil> I'm going to try and get dl-fldigi into the fedora repository
[13:42] <Randomskk> looks like it's aloft
[13:42] <Randomskk> and rising
[13:42] <Randomskk> at 6.5m/s, niiice
[13:42] <fsphil> woo-hoo!
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[13:42] <G3VZV_Graham> 434.0723
[13:43] <earthshine> they didn't announce it was about to go ?
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[13:43] <AlienProject> Balloon has launched!
[13:43] <LazyLeopard> They pinged out...
[13:43] <AlienProject> now at ~1500
[13:43] <AlienProject> m
[13:44] <earthshine> how do you know it launched?
[13:44] <LazyLeopard> Seeing radio signal wil increasing altitude values?
[13:44] <Randomskk> earthshine: it's on the tracker
[13:44] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[13:44] <Randomskk> starting to hear some rtty now
[13:44] <Randomskk> not decoding yet
[13:44] Action: Colin_ has data in Cambridge
[13:45] <Randomskk> should have used my yagi after all
[13:45] <Randomskk> sigh
[13:45] <AlienProject> We are uploading off a whip currently
[13:45] <AlienProject> we'll get yagi out later
[13:45] <Randomskk> I mean me :P
[13:45] <Colin_> $$A1,04950,1]4Y.224563,-000.q18195,01807,00G|086[,4uFpR$A1,04965,12:44:586V-000.118700,01901,0000,07,334C3306,45*30
[13:45] <Randomskk> my whip isn't getting much yet
[13:45] <jcoxon> AlienProject, you've got a lot of people uploading
[13:45] <Colin_> if that looks sensible
[13:45] <jcoxon> Colin_, yeah
[13:46] <LazyLeopard> Spinning!
[13:46] <Colin_> I'm only using a helicall on my 817
[13:46] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[13:46] <Randomskk> frequencies?
[13:47] <jcoxon> no doug this time, he is a key tracker - has gone to the states for his new job
[13:47] <fsphil> oh wow, look how many receivers there are!
[13:47] <Randomskk> aah there they are
[13:47] <Randomskk> was too high a freq
[13:48] <Randomskk> here we go
[13:48] <russss> I can hear it but I can't decode it for some reason
[13:48] <Randomskk> right fldigi crashed on first extraction
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering why the tracker diddn't show recieved lines for some of the track.
[13:49] <fsphil> jcoxon, hal interface is missing the receive frequency
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> Then realised that was the predicted bit. :)
[13:49] <fsphil> the real time prediction is fantastic
[13:49] <LazyLeopard> Randomskk: Which version? I had that with V 2.0 untill I started it in HAB mode (using --hab in linux)
[13:50] <jcoxon> fsphil, not sure i understand you?
[13:50] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: indeed it is
[13:50] <Randomskk> LazyLeopard: ah, restarting in hab mode then
[13:50] <fsphil> jcoxon, the dial frequency + the offset
[13:50] <Randomskk> here we go
[13:50] <jcoxon> Randomskk, you are now in super cool mode
[13:50] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, the break between tropospheric and stratospheric wind directions is interesting. ;)
[13:50] <Randomskk> there we go, uploaded
[13:51] <fsphil> I know what the radio is tuned to, but I can't tell the actual frequency of the signal
[13:51] <Randomskk> fsphil: connect radio to fldigi via hamlib
[13:51] <Randomskk> then the waterfall starts showing real frequencies
[13:51] <fsphil> I have
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> LazyLeopard: The initial track is going to be totally broken for direction below what - 10km?
[13:51] <jcoxon> oh hamlib/rigcat are nightmares
[13:51] <Randomskk> hamlib works great here
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> (wind direction)
[13:52] <fsphil> I'll hack it on later :)
[13:52] <jcoxon> yeah
[13:52] <Randomskk> a lot of fading and weird interference here
[13:52] <Randomskk> signal is shifting frequencies like crazy
[13:52] <jcoxon> Randomskk, do you like the new --hab interface?
[13:52] <Randomskk> it's all squiggly
[13:52] <Randomskk> yea, it's really nice
[13:52] <jcoxon> with the decoding into the boxes etc
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[13:52] <Randomskk> I hadn't seen the new top bit
[13:53] <jcoxon> and the time since last rx
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[13:53] <Randomskk> though I still want a bearing and distance output
[13:53] <Randomskk> :P
[13:53] <jcoxon> yeah yeah
[13:53] <fsphil> haha
[13:53] <jcoxon> will get that done soon
[13:53] <Randomskk> woah loads of fading
[13:53] <fsphil> payload must be spinning like mad
[13:54] <Randomskk> snr about 10db
[13:54] <Randomskk> now down to about 3
[13:54] <Randomskk> should really yagi
[13:54] <Randomskk> meh
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[13:54] <Randomskk> thing is it goes south of me for most of the trip
[13:54] <GW8RAK> What is the carrier shift please? My version of dl-fldigi doesn't have a1 as an option
[13:54] <Randomskk> and I am looking north
[13:54] <Randomskk> 450hz
[13:54] <GW8RAK> Thanks
[13:54] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, which version?
[13:55] <GW8RAK> 3.11.4
[13:55] <jcoxon> revision?
[13:55] <Randomskk> so my yagi'd have to pick shit up through the building
[13:55] <fsphil> you're receiving indoors? that's pretty neat in itself
[13:55] <Randomskk> whip is on windowsill
[13:55] <jcoxon> if you haven't reset it since this morning you'll need to restart dl-fldigi
[13:55] <Randomskk> however payload is now almsot directly west
[13:55] <LazyLeopard> 425 shift, 50 baud, 7 bits, no parity 1.5 stop bits
[13:55] <Randomskk> so about to get blocked by a lot of building
[13:55] <jcoxon> i fixed it since then
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[13:55] <Randomskk> 434.071.95 for me atm
[13:56] <Randomskk> sadly I'm not even on the top floor either
[13:56] <Randomskk> basically very not ideal
[13:56] <GW8RAK> r63 version. But am listening on 425Hz shift, 7n1
[13:56] <Randomskk> could head outdoors
[13:56] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, yeah restart and a1 should be there
[13:56] <russss> the shift looks closer to 350Hz for be for some reason...
[13:56] <Randomskk> Colin_: see if https://randomskk.net/u/fldigi will run
[13:56] <russss> I still can't decode anything, which is weird.
[13:56] <AlienProject> guys we really need some landing co-ordinates
[13:56] <AlienProject> could somebody check spacenear.us please?
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[13:56] <Randomskk> it should be totally statically linked and compiled for x86
[13:56] <GW8RAK> jcoxon - okay will try.
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[13:57] <Randomskk> 52.1806, 0.570629 at 15:00 UTC
[13:57] <Randomskk> oh they left
[13:57] <Randomskk> lol
[13:57] <fsphil> hmm, getting voice on 434.07
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[13:57] <fsphil> +4
[13:57] <Randomskk> 52.1806, 0.570629 at 15:00 UTC
[13:57] <Randomskk> AlienProject: ^
[13:57] <jcoxon> russss, usb or lsb?
[13:57] <AlienProject> Randomskk, thank you
[13:57] <fsphil> not sure, it was too distorted
[13:57] <russss> LSB
[13:57] <jcoxon> try usb and retune
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[13:57] <fsphil> ah, n/m
[13:57] <GW8RAK> jcoxon - it works. Thanks.
[13:58] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, no problem
[13:58] <chembrow> what freq are we looking for? 434.075 lsb or usb?
[13:58] <Randomskk> AlienProject: on the A143 towards bury st edmunds
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[13:58] <SpeedEvil> Why is the altitude graph so wierd?
[13:58] <Randomskk> it's moving about a bit though
[13:58] <jcoxon> chembrow 434.072 on usb
[13:58] <Randomskk> Colin_: any luck?
[13:58] <chembrow> jcoxon thanks
[13:59] <russss> if anything that's worse
[14:00] <jcoxon> russss, setup rtty?
[14:00] <russss> yeah, it's set up
[14:00] <Randomskk> hmm still getting it strong ish though the building
[14:00] <fsphil> what kind of aerial is flying on the balloon?
[14:00] <Randomskk> well S3 ish
[14:00] <Colin_> Randomskk: fldigi is working ok
[14:00] <Randomskk> massive fading too though, annoying
[14:00] <Randomskk> Colin_: I mean the binary I just posted
[14:00] <Colin_> yes, lots of deep fade
[14:00] <Randomskk> if you run it with fldigi --hab, it should start up in hab mode, you can tell it a1 and it'l set itself up then start uploading the data
[14:00] <jcoxon> the fading should calm down once it gets higher
[14:00] <Colin_> Ah, sorry, where did you post it - I must have missed your comment
[14:01] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/fldigi
[14:01] <Randomskk> 11mb due to static linking
[14:02] <GW8RAK> now getting it on 434.072 USB
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[14:02] <Randomskk> I have it dead midband with radio tuned to 434.07191
[14:02] <Randomskk> have the tightest filter my radio can do on atm
[14:02] <russss> wait - am I meant to be using the 1200bps or the 9600bps output on the radio (and does it matter?)
[14:02] <Randomskk> russss: neither, the audio output
[14:03] <russss> those *are* audio outputs on the FT-817.
[14:03] <Randomskk> unless your radio can decode rtty at 50 baud 425 shift
[14:03] <Randomskk> ah
[14:03] <russss> which is bizarre
[14:03] <Randomskk> 1200 should be okay?
[14:03] <Randomskk> I imagine it's a case of what filters it applies
[14:03] <russss> yeah, that's what I'm using
[14:03] <earthshine> the payload appears to be spinning once every 8 seconds
[14:03] <Colin_> Randomskk: ok, it runs and receives stuff
[14:03] <jcoxon> russss, is your sql on in dl-fldigi
[14:03] <GW8RAK> Use the 1200 bps output
[14:04] <russss> jcoxon: no difference on or off
[14:04] <jcoxon> turn it off though
[14:04] <Randomskk> Colin_: sweet
[14:04] <jcoxon> for when it does start working
[14:05] <Colin_> Randomskk: Thanks - do I have to do anything to make it upload stuff?
[14:05] <Colin_> I'ce set operator info
[14:05] <Randomskk> dl client menu -> configure
[14:05] <Randomskk> then enable tab, and make sure the first two are ticked
[14:05] <Randomskk> online, detection and extraction
[14:06] <Randomskk> then under payload, select A1 and click autoconfigure
[14:06] <Randomskk> after that it should be working
[14:06] <Randomskk> you should appear on http://spacenear.us/tracker/ and also status message at the bottom says things like "sentence uploaded!"
[14:06] <chembrow> sorry for the n00b question, but do I just wave my antenna around trying to find something?
[14:07] <fsphil> point it roughly towards Cambridge
[14:07] <fsphil> it shouldn't have to be too accurate
[14:07] <russss> I'm still seeing a shift much closer to 350Hz
[14:08] <chembrow> fsphil getting an awful lot of silence, not sure if that is the receiver, my cr4ppy yagi, or operator error
[14:08] <AlienProject> Dan: "We're about to break 10k" Alex: "What, we're already over nine thousand? I missed it"
[14:08] <fsphil> lol
[14:08] <jcoxon> chembrow, i recommend starting from the beginning
[14:08] <LazyLeopard> 10351 ;)
[14:08] <LazyLeopard> 10454
[14:08] <jcoxon> ignore the computer part, just tune your radio to the right freq and find the sounds
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[14:09] <fsphil> yep, it should make a very distinctive chirping noise
[14:09] <chembrow> jcoxon I'm not connected to the PC yet, just not finding anything. will keep waving.
[14:09] Action: LazyLeopard is tuned to 434,072,400
[14:09] <jcoxon> make sure you are on 434.072Mhz and USB
[14:09] <jcoxon> turn down the squelch and turn the volume up
[14:09] <chembrow> jcoxon: I think I am (if I'm reading this right)
[14:10] <jcoxon> do you hear any white noise?
[14:10] <chembrow> lots
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[14:10] <jcoxon> which changes as you wave your yagi?
[14:10] <chembrow> yes
[14:11] <AlienProject_> We're on the road. No chase car gps I'm afraid; forced to use windows for the 3g dongle :(
[14:11] <jcoxon> okay pointing in the right direction?
[14:11] <AlienProject_> jcoxon, nice number of people in the room :)
[14:11] <jcoxon> yes indeed, a few doubles but i'm impressed
[14:11] <chembrow> think so, there's a quieter spot i=
[14:11] <GW8RAK> Carrier shift seems to have decreased. Will reducing it to 350 make decoding more likely?
[14:11] <chembrow> in the white noise
[14:11] <jcoxon> GW8RAK, yes
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[14:13] <GW8RAK> Signal strength increasing and partial decode
[14:14] <chembrow> yay, I heard something!
[14:14] <russss> still not decoding :/
[14:14] <russss> it sounds plenty strong enough
[14:15] <jcoxon> russss, see it on the waterfall?
[14:15] <russss> yep
[14:15] <russss> the waterfall looks good.
[14:15] Action: LazyLeopard is seeing another digital signal on the waterfall too.
[14:15] <jcoxon> red decode lines in the right place?
[14:15] <russss> yep
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[14:15] <russss> although as I said my carrier shift is 350
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[14:15] <jcoxon> right parity and ascii settings?
[14:15] <earthshine> i can see refelctions off something on mine
[14:16] <earthshine> probably the dartboard my Yagi is pointing at
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[14:16] <junderwood_> carrier shift 350 works nicely. Mark is at 434071800+2100, space at +1700
[14:17] <russss> yeah
[14:17] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. There are two higher frequency bits at about 1200 and 2400 hz above the lower main signal, too
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[14:18] <chembrow> there isn't a windows build for dl-fldigi yet is there?
[14:18] <jcoxon> yeah there is
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[14:18] <jcoxon> but the old version
[14:18] <jcoxon> http://dl-fldigi.googlecode.com/files/dlfldigi-3.11.4r85-vista.zip
[14:18] <jcoxon> works on XP as well
[14:19] <chembrow> jcoxon thanks. will try it on win7. not got round to putting *nix back on my desktop since putting win7 on it (which says an awful lot about how good win7 is)
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[14:19] <chembrow> worst case I can fire up a laptop with fedora on
[14:19] <junderwood_> rtty decoder in 3.20.0 is much better :-)
[14:20] <Colin_> Ah, I'm on the tracker map
[14:20] <jcoxon> okay i'm off now - 1% battery left
[14:20] <jcoxon> good luck with the flight, will bbl
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[14:21] <earthshine> Look at all the receivers we have today
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[14:23] <earthshine> half wy now
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[14:26] <DanielRichman_P> Is the prediction still looking good? What are co-ordinates now?
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[14:26] <earthshine> looks great
[14:26] <earthshine> N. of Stowmarket
[14:26] <russss> I think this is probably my fancy sound card cocking things up.
[14:26] <russss> somehow.,
[14:27] <GW8RAK> Strong signal into North Wales with good decode, but not showing on list of receivers on map :)
[14:27] <GW8RAK> Wrong smiley. :(
[14:27] <earthshine> if your not showing it is becasue you didn't fill out your operator info
[14:28] <earthshine> Configure > Operator
[14:28] <GW8RAK> I appear on the map, but sometimes, there is just one character which is wrong.
[14:28] <earthshine> yeah that's all it takes sometimes
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[14:29] <GW8RAK> But there's enough to read lat, long and altitude with ease.
[14:29] <Colin_> the checksum has to match - so it has to be 100%
[14:30] <Randomskk> lots mroe fading
[14:30] <Randomskk> hopefully will pick up as it moves round the other side of my building
[14:31] <fsphil_> ok, should hear something soon hopefully
[14:31] <chembrow> my waterfall is all yellow, and I've got a lot of background noise. Are they related?
[14:31] <GW8RAK> If waterfall is all yellow, reduce the input
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[14:31] <fsphil_> wait, I think I can see something in the waterfall
[14:31] <fsphil_> two wobbly lines
[14:31] <GW8RAK> I set mine to mostly blue with speckles of yellow
[14:32] <GW8RAK> fsphil, that could be it.
[14:32] <Randomskk> there is some weird qrm on 434
[14:32] <earthshine> it's gone a lot weaker for me now
[14:32] <fsphil_> yep GW8RAK it looks very like it
[14:32] <Randomskk> rapidly increasing frequency, three in succession
[14:32] <fsphil_> but I can't hear it
[14:32] <fsphil_> just on the waterfall
[14:32] <LazyLeopard> S 4 or 5 here.
[14:32] <russss> still loud and clear here, I just can't bloody decode it!
[14:33] <Randomskk> S0, only decoding a few now
[14:33] <Randomskk> thing is there's a building between me and it now
[14:33] <LazyLeopard> Just crossed the meridian
[14:33] <Randomskk> no los
[14:33] <Randomskk> yagi woudln't really help I don't imagine
[14:33] <fsphil_> confirmed!!
[14:33] <chembrow> GW8RAK reducing the volume I can get either all blue or all yellow
[14:33] <fsphil_> it's an alien!!
[14:33] <g4dpz> s4 to s5 here
[14:34] <earthshine> it's come back
[14:34] <fsphil_> line uploaded :D
[14:35] <junderwood_> chembrow, what do you have "Upper signal level" and "signal range" set to?
[14:35] <Randomskk> amusingly the yagi indoors and pointing through the wall can actually pick it up
[14:35] <fsphil_> getting stronger here
[14:36] <chembrow> junderwood_: where do I find that? Sorry, this is the first time I've used dl-fldigi or a receiver
[14:36] <earthshine> i'm using a Yagi indoors
[14:36] <g7fal> Strong signal in IO92WN
[14:36] <GW8RAK> YES! I appear on the receivers list.
[14:36] <junderwood_> bottom left hand corner of the screen. Below waterfallm above RTTY
[14:36] <GW8RAK> chembrow - the all yellow or all blue screen suggests too much audio or too little
[14:37] <fsphil_> nice one GW8RAK
[14:37] <Randomskk> meh, while indoors the fading makes it totally drop out
[14:37] <chembrow> upper signal -20, signal range 70
[14:37] <Randomskk> no chance of getting a whole packet like that
[14:37] <fsphil_> I think I've got too many errors to be added
[14:37] <Randomskk> back to whip and wait for it to get around I think
[14:37] <junderwood_> chembrow, try reducing the signal range. I'm using 47dB here
[14:38] <g4dpz> 20000 mtrs!
[14:38] <fsphil_> signal fading
[14:38] <GW8RAK> Girlfriend is very umimpressed with decoding a packet.
[14:38] <fsphil_> lol
[14:39] <GW8RAK> Yagis is not working at all. Just on white stick colinear.
[14:39] <fsphil_> very weak here now
[14:39] <DanielRichman_P> A while ago there was a mobile coordinate display page (mobile phone). Can't find it, can anyone give me the url?
[14:39] <fsphil_> barely audible
[14:40] <Colin_> what is the little diamond in the bottom right corner next to AFC?
[14:41] <Randomskk> seems to be a kinda tx/rx indicator iirc
[14:41] <Colin_> mine is changing colour a lot
[14:41] <earthshine> moving the coax between the reciever and the antenna makes a lot of difference for me
[14:41] <Randomskk> might be sql
[14:42] <Randomskk> make sure sql is off
[14:42] <fsphil_> 21,2km
[14:42] <fsphil_> nice
[14:42] <Randomskk> maan, I'm nearly getting data but keep losing one or two chars and that's enough to totally bugger it
[14:42] <fsphil_> same here Randomskk
[14:42] <LazyLeopard> ...or at least set really really low ;)
[14:42] <fsphil_> we need FEC
[14:42] <GW8RAK> More decodes, this is getting fun.
[14:43] <fsphil_> I decoded one!!!
[14:43] <fsphil_> yes
[14:43] <fsphil_> that's gotta be a record
[14:43] Action: SpeedEvil finds out that trumpington is a real place.
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> I thought that was made up
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[14:44] <Randomskk> fsphil_: where are you on the map?
[14:44] <earthshine> SQL in dl-fldigi he means - make sure it is set to OFF
[14:44] <fsphil_> Randomskk, MI6VIM
[14:44] <Randomskk> bloody heck
[14:44] <GW8RAK> No S meter reading, but strong signals, despite rapid frequency shifts
[14:44] <Randomskk> that's awesome
[14:44] <fsphil_> yea
[14:44] <fsphil_> yea!
[14:45] <Randomskk> you're only just inside the theoretical radio horizon
[14:45] <fsphil_> and this is on a vertical -- not a yagi
[14:45] <fsphil_> it helps that the town is quite high up -- about 100m
[14:45] <Randomskk> what distance to payload are you?
[14:45] <fsphil_> not sure
[14:45] <fsphil_> a fair bit
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> neat - earthshin is on a boat.
[14:46] <junderwood_> The current distance record is picking up jcoxon's last but one payload over Le Mans from Leicester. I don't think you've quite beaten it yet
[14:46] <DanielRichman_P> Is the prediction still looking correct?
[14:46] <Randomskk> yay I got another one
[14:46] <DanielRichman_P> A while ago there was a mobile coordinate display page (mobile phone). Can't find it, can anyone give me the url?
[14:47] <Randomskk> DanielRichman_P: it's still about right, off the A143, 52.1884, 0.545502 at 14:54 UTC
[14:47] <fsphil_> drat junderwood lol
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: awesome.
[14:47] <Randomskk> DanielRichman_P: you want to be on the A143 north into bury st edmonds
[14:47] <GW8RAK> 260km from here to current postion on ground
[14:47] <Randomskk> they've all been around there
[14:47] <Randomskk> moving around a bit from there but mostly consistent
[14:48] <Randomskk> about halfway between haverhill and bury st edmonds
[14:48] <DanielRichman_P> randomskk, thank you.
[14:48] <Randomskk> I don't know the mobile page, sorry
[14:48] <juxta_> hey guys, I guess the launch went without hitch? congrats :)
[14:48] <Randomskk> wait
[14:48] <Randomskk> http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php
[14:48] <DanielRichman_P> ok. Saving laptop battery and 3g
[14:49] <Randomskk> there you go
[14:49] <DanielRichman_P> ty
[14:50] <g4dpz> dl-fldigi working really well here, no packet loss
[14:50] <Randomskk> maan I am the closest receiver to the thing
[14:50] <Randomskk> and barely decoding any
[14:50] <Randomskk> talk about suck
[14:50] <earthshine> external temp. of 3533 Degrees C !!!!!!
[14:51] <fsphil_> lol
[14:51] <Randomskk> earthshine: they are encoding temp in hex for some reason, needs some conversion factors
[14:51] <juxta_> it's roasting up there ;)
[14:51] <junderwood_> 25km
[14:51] <earthshine> it's heading towards the heart of the sun !!
[14:51] <Randomskk> who's m6fty?
[14:51] <Randomskk> earthshine: shame it's not icarus really
[14:51] <earthshine> lol
[14:51] <Randomskk> that'd be much more appropriate
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[14:52] <Randomskk> more crazy qrm
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[14:52] <fsphil_> grr, too much local noise
[14:53] <fsphil_> big flaw with the vertical
[14:53] <Randomskk> yea
[14:53] <Randomskk> I want a nice trackotron
[14:53] <Randomskk> tbh I just want a decent antenna that's not surrounded by building
[14:53] <Randomskk> if only I was on the roof
[14:53] <Randomskk> or even facing the other side
[14:53] <DanielRichman_P> Any one can give me 8hex chars of temperature data?
[14:53] <Randomskk> if I was a room on the other side of the building....
[14:53] <fsphil_> i'm pretty certain with the yagi I'd be decoding most of this
[14:54] <junderwood_> 3835B8FE?
[14:54] <MikeVSS> Im decoding ok in warrington need to know how to send daata to server?
[14:54] <Randomskk> MikeVSS: ideally use dl-fldigi
[14:54] <GW8RAK> I wonder if there are layers in the atmosphere which attenuate the signal strength?
[14:54] <Randomskk> which sends data automatically
[14:54] <earthshine> MikeVSS the software does it for you
[14:55] <Randomskk> GW8RAK: not at the height we go to at the frequency we use, afaik
[14:55] <GW8RAK> At 24 km, signals dropped right down, but at 26 they've come back.
[14:55] <Randomskk> ionosphere is much higher
[14:55] <Randomskk> you do get vhf ducting and stuff though
[14:55] <earthshine> yeah I had a lot stronger signal at 15km
[14:55] <GW8RAK> That was what I was thinking off.
[14:55] <chembrow> ahah, decoding works much better when set to 7n2 not 7n1.1 :p
[14:55] <MikeVSS> using dl fldigi will check for tab on connection
[14:55] <GW8RAK> Well done Chembrow on a decode.
[14:55] <chembrow> thanks GW8RAK
[14:55] <fsphil_> sweet
[14:56] <Randomskk> g8tmv is now closer to payload than me, at least :P
[14:56] <fsphil_> this may be the most tracked flight ever
[14:56] <Randomskk> man if only jonsowman was around this weekend, grr :P
[14:56] <Randomskk> his window helpfully faces south
[14:56] <fsphil_> very weak now in Cookstown
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[14:57] <russss> I'm getting a better decode by playing it into my laptop microphone!
[14:57] <fsphil_> also I've been sitting on my food and it's fallen asleep
[14:57] <fsphil_> foot
[14:57] <fsphil_> not food -- though that's asleep too *g*
[14:59] <russss> definitely something to do with the sound card in my computer
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[15:01] <fsphil_> frequency's really bouncing about
[15:01] <earthshine> the payload is in a spin
[15:01] <GW8RAK> Getting strong fading about every 30s.
[15:01] <fsphil_> 29km
[15:01] <juxta_> russss: i had issues with the sound card before
[15:02] <juxta_> seemed to work better in mic input than in line in
[15:02] <earthshine> close to pop point
[15:02] <juxta_> for us at least
[15:02] <fsphil_> what's the prediction?
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[15:02] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. Frequency's very wobbly and fading here.
[15:03] <GW8RAK> 30km
[15:04] <LazyLeopard> Add the interfering digital stuff I'm seeing, and it's making decoding a challenge.
[15:04] <fsphil_> stronger here now
[15:04] <earthshine> Harmonics from your PC ?
[15:05] <GW8RAK> Climbing even faster
[15:05] <earthshine> BANG !!!!!It's well over 100,000 feet now
[15:05] <fsphil_> 30.9
[15:05] <junderwood_> 31km
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> Did you fit afterburners?
[15:06] <fsphil_> going between very strong and very weak now
[15:06] <earthshine> great altitude
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> What length is the string?
[15:07] <g4dpz> s4 with deep qsb here but perfect decode
[15:07] <GW8RAK> decode at 31.5km!
[15:07] <fsphil_> decoded one!
[15:07] <chembrow> how do you know when dl-fldigi has transmitted a line? is there any indication
[15:07] <GW8RAK> Much stronger signals and no fading
[15:08] <fsphil_> same here GW8RAK
[15:08] <juxta_> chembrow: it should indicate in the status bar
[15:08] <earthshine> chembrow: http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[15:08] <fsphil_> not as much frequency drift either
[15:08] <GW8RAK> And the short term frequency shifts have gone
[15:08] <LazyLeopard> Yep, out of the wobbly patch...
[15:08] <chembrow> thanks
[15:08] <junderwood_> 32km
[15:08] <fsphil_> another decode -- more reliable now
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> 20m = ~10s swing
[15:09] <earthshine> yup
[15:09] <fsphil_> fading again
[15:09] <g4dpz> it's moved about 500hz down in 45 minutes
[15:09] <junderwood_> 10 receivers with good data!
[15:09] <DanielRichman_P> What's the prediction
[15:09] <DanielRichman_P> now?
[15:10] <GW8RAK> 12 rx's that time
[15:10] <fsphil_> another
[15:10] <fsphil_> 32.6km
[15:10] <junderwood_> hargrave at the moment
[15:10] <earthshine> is this going for an altitude record ?
[15:11] <juxta_> i dnt think so earthshine
[15:11] <chembrow> getting a nice solid signal, and a tired arm :) need to gerry rig something
[15:11] <juxta_> i heard them bandying around 33km before
[15:11] <fsphil_> 33km
[15:11] <junderwood_> 33km
[15:11] <earthshine> cehmrbow stop that there is decoding to be done
[15:11] <GW8RAK> Over that now
[15:11] <GW8RAK> earthshine lol
[15:11] <fsphil_> falling?
[15:11] <Randomskk> yup
[15:11] <Randomskk> on its way down now
[15:12] <junderwood_> burst
[15:12] <fsphil_> look out below!
[15:12] <earthshine> POP!!!
[15:12] <fsphil_> it's not spinning .. at least, the signal is quite stable
[15:12] <earthshine> dropping like a stone
[15:12] <earthshine> 57m/s
[15:13] <fsphil_> 28,6
[15:13] <LazyLeopard> Oops. fldigi crashed on me...
[15:13] <Randomskk> oh jesus
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[15:13] <Randomskk> are we sure the -51m/s isn't bad data
[15:13] <edmoore> 66
[15:13] <edmoore> blimey
[15:13] <Randomskk> hi edmoore
[15:13] <edmoore> hi
[15:13] <earthshine> its getting faster
[15:13] <Randomskk> it is losing altitude very, very, very fast
[15:13] <fsphil_> 26.4
[15:13] <earthshine> it's created ity's own gravity wave
[15:13] <Randomskk> looks like the parachute may have not deployed
[15:13] <edmoore> how high did it get?
[15:14] <junderwood_> Predicted landing spot is between Chedburgh and Chevington
[15:14] <fsphil_> 33km
[15:14] <Randomskk> almost dead on 33k iirc?
[15:14] <earthshine> The parachute won't be much use at those altitudes
[15:14] <junderwood_> I got 33116
[15:14] <edmoore> ok cool
[15:14] <earthshine> it's slowing down
[15:14] <juxta_> Randomskk: that's pretty much normal, no atmosphere up there
[15:14] <Randomskk> true
[15:14] <fsphil_> still receiving, though very weak now
[15:14] <Colin_> Yeah, they plummet to start with
[15:14] <edmoore> woo for plastic-bag filling
[15:14] <russss> got it!
[15:14] <edmoore> it was a pretty hair launch
[15:14] <Randomskk> 33116 seems to be highest
[15:14] <fsphil_> 24.1
[15:14] <earthshine> it's slowing down so the parachute is getting more effectvie as it gets to lower altitudes
[15:14] <GW8RAK> Starting to slow down now
[15:15] <g4dpz> 33116 here
[15:15] <edmoore> ordinarily i'd call off a launch in that kind of wind. but sbasuita is pretty fast so could do a decent running launch
[15:15] <Randomskk> ascent rate was pretty much spot on
[15:15] <Randomskk> as was burst alt
[15:15] <edmoore> i ended up doing the fill with cusf gear
[15:15] <Randomskk> ah, okay
[15:15] <juxta_> haha
[15:15] <edmoore> as someone forgor a hose or something
[15:15] <Randomskk> oops
[15:15] <Randomskk> good thing you were on site
[15:16] <fsphil_> signal is more or less gone in Cookstown!
[15:16] <edmoore> if i'd spent the time in the lib revising instead of launching, i'd have gone a bit mad
[15:16] <fsphil_> no wait it's back
[15:16] <Randomskk> how many exams left now?
[15:16] <edmoore> what an amazing number of listeners
[15:16] <russss> still strong here
[15:16] <edmoore> 3
[15:17] <fsphil_> gone again
[15:17] <fsphil_> I think that's it for me!
[15:17] <Randomskk> getting S4ish now
[15:17] <Randomskk> yay
[15:17] <fsphil_> aye
[15:17] <fsphil_> silence
[15:17] <Randomskk> picking up a lot since it's come round the other side of my building
[15:17] <fsphil_> brb
[15:17] <Randomskk> fsphil_: good job though! just get a yagi next time and you'll be sorted :P
[15:17] <Colin_> Ah, it's getting stronger again here
[15:18] <fsphil_> lol Randomskk -- I have a yagi, but no access to roof :)
[15:18] <Randomskk> ah
[15:18] <Randomskk> D:
[15:18] <junderwood_> 30 minutes to landing
[15:18] <fsphil_> I need an aerial rotator thingy
[15:18] <Randomskk> predictor has been fairly stable since burst
[15:18] <LazyLeopard> It's that altitude thing. Wonder whether I should have pointed my yagi up a bit more...
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[15:18] <ms7821> two months late, but the predictions are awesome, btw :)
[15:18] <Randomskk> I hacked up a quick php script on spacenear.us to give the current predicted burst for 3g connections
[15:19] <edmoore> cool
[15:19] <Randomskk> by quick I mean http://spacenear.us/tracker/mobile_predictions.php
[15:19] <juxta_> haha, nice Randomskk
[15:19] <edmoore> does it use the drag-calculation algorithm for the prediction, anyone?
[15:20] <edmoore> lol
[15:21] <g4dpz> frequency is coming up again as it's decinding.
[15:22] <earthshine> well it's heading towards a nice set of fields
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[15:22] <earthshine> Who are in the chase vehicles(s) ?
[15:22] <gb73d> hi - did Alien1 get off the ground ?
[15:22] <earthshine> it's in the air
[15:22] <earthshine> and already on it's way down
[15:22] <earthshine> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[15:22] <edmoore> earthshine: sbasuita, his dad (I think), DR and AB
[15:22] <gb73d> good oh,nevr mind
[15:23] <G3VZV_Graham> edmoore - can we chat FUNcube sometime after your exams finish?
[15:23] <juxta_> are the chase cars plotted somewhere?
[15:24] <g4dpz> and another talk at the colloquium!
[15:24] <earthshine> juxta_ No
[15:24] <Randomskk> the chase cars don't appear to be running the chase car tracker thing
[15:24] <Randomskk> shame :P
[15:24] <earthshine> they are usually on Roberts tracker but I don't think it was set up
[15:24] <edmoore> G3VZV_Graham: sure yes
[15:24] <edmoore> they finish on thursday
[15:24] <edmoore> after that it's just thesis write-up
[15:25] <Randomskk> nice solid S5 now
[15:25] <G3VZV_Graham> edmoore - great news:)
[15:25] <Randomskk> on the whip
[15:25] <Colin_> Hmm.. I'm sure I've seen some good data in dl-fldigi and I'm on the map - but with zero data Rx'd - is that likely to be a config problem?
[15:25] <gb73d> nice turn out tracking stations
[15:25] <Randomskk> make sure upload is enabled
[15:25] <Randomskk> DL Client -> Configure -> Enable tab
[15:25] <Randomskk> you want top two tickboxes on
[15:26] <Randomskk> then check status messages in dl-fldigi, should get like "sentence uploaded!" show up on bottom of window
[15:26] <Randomskk> make sure you are running with --hab
[15:26] <Randomskk> still coming down quite quickly
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[15:26] <Randomskk> hi AlienProject_
[15:27] <AlienProject_> Prediction please; phone browser too slow
[15:27] <Randomskk> 14:52
[15:27] <Randomskk> "lon":"0.578038"
[15:27] <Randomskk> "lat":"52.2131"
[15:27] <Colin_> Ah, it was the hab bit that I didn't know about
[15:27] <edmoore> AlienProject_: modulo being very busy currently, can you check with sbasuita that he got my text, i.e. that I got his nuymber correctly?
[15:27] <Randomskk> too slow for http://spacenear.us/tracker/mobile_predictions.php ? :P
[15:29] <chembrow> I couldn't get anything after burst :( managed a few before though
[15:29] <Randomskk> chembrow: where are you?
[15:29] <Randomskk> loads of trackers for this flight it seems
[15:30] <Randomskk> map's looking good
[15:30] <chembrow> stoke. think it's gone too low
[15:30] <GW8RAK> Still got some signal, but very weak.
[15:30] <russss> still here
[15:30] <Randomskk> balloon isn't doing the sudden change in direction that the predictor would have it do
[15:31] <russss> my bodged antenna is clearly quite good
[15:31] <earthshine> uhoh
[15:31] <Colin_> Yay, It's seeing my uploads
[15:31] <Randomskk> I hope it's got the latest gfs
[15:31] <earthshine> headingtowards Bury St. Edmonds
[15:31] <edmoore> yeah. it's definitely the jetstream boundary that causes the sharp direction change
[15:31] <edmoore> so that could fluctuate a bit
[15:31] <Randomskk> yea
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[15:31] <Randomskk> it's changed
[15:32] <edmoore> yep
[15:32] <chembrow> what does the green ring mean on the map?
[15:32] <russss> radio horizon
[15:32] <g4dpz> no reading on s meter but still decoding!
[15:32] <junderwood_> My money is on a landing within 2 miles of Chedburgh
[15:32] <earthshine> that's the blast radius
[15:32] <earthshine> when it detonates on hitting the ground
[15:32] <edmoore> :)
[15:33] <Randomskk> dropped to about s3 here
[15:33] <chembrow> thanks russss. lol earthshine
[15:33] <Randomskk> edmoore: does the ic7000 have fancy dsp I don't know about besides the FIL button
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[15:33] <g4dpz> first packet loss
[15:33] <russss> earthshine: you're in the north sea for some reason (on the map)
[15:33] <edmoore> no, it can just by nyquist-transparent
[15:34] <edmoore> unless you actively engage noice cancelling, or notches, or whatever
[15:34] <earthshine> yeah i'm in a boat
[15:34] <earthshine> it's a bastard to keep hold of this Yagi in this swell
[15:34] <gb73d> nice 1
[15:35] <Randomskk> I do have NR on
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[15:35] <junderwood_> Randomskk, not sure that's a good idea
[15:35] <edmoore> agreed
[15:35] <edmoore> maybe try loosing it
[15:35] <edmoore> got pre-amp on?
[15:36] <Randomskk> yea
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[15:36] <Randomskk> was decoding quite happily with nr on
[15:36] <jcoxon> hhey all
[15:36] <Randomskk> makes about 10dB difference to SNR as measured by fldigi
[15:36] <russss> jcoxon: got it working - for some reason the sound card on my desktop machine shows the waterfall fine but it can't decode for some reason
[15:36] <russss> works on my laptop though
[15:36] <Randomskk> it does seem to cut a lot of noise without affecting the signal
[15:37] <jcoxon> russss, how weird
[15:37] <jcoxon> looks like a good flight, max alt?
[15:37] <russss> it was decoding better through the microphone on my laptop than it was on my desktop machine
[15:37] <jcoxon> hey edmoore, nearly finished?
[15:37] Nick change: earthshine_ -> earthshine_iPod
[15:38] <edmoore> jcoxon: last on thursday afternoon. getting a bit sick of revising though, hence a bit of a break tyoday, even though I said I wouldn't.
[15:38] <russss> starting to fade now
[15:39] <edmoore> am going to throw about 5 hours at it today though, but I won't get too stressed as tomorrow's exam isn't so bad]
[15:39] <jcoxon> hehe know the feeling - at least you are nearly there - i start in 2 weeks
[15:39] <G3VZV_Graham> jcoxon 33i16m
[15:39] <G3VZV_Graham> *33116m
[15:39] <jcoxon> thats a good altitude
[15:39] <edmoore> 33000 was the target so spot on
[15:39] <Randomskk> also dead on target of 33000
[15:39] <earthshine> should have some fantastic images from that height (hopefully)
[15:39] <Randomskk> ascent rate was pretty much perfect too
[15:39] <Randomskk> and very constant
[15:39] <Randomskk> the altitude graph is nice
[15:40] <Randomskk> lots of fading now, losing it
[15:40] <Colin_> descent rate looks good too - not too big a thump
[15:40] <jcoxon> fsphil, you got some strings!
[15:40] <jcoxon> what sort of range is that?
[15:41] <earthshine> never mind that - MI6VIM in Ireand also picked it up
[15:41] <Randomskk> earthshine: guess who MI6VIM is
[15:42] <earthshine> :D
[15:42] <russss> jcoxon: my 1/4 wave ground-plane antenna seems to be working quite well :)
[15:42] <Randomskk> hint: starts with f :P
[15:42] <jcoxon> russss, great - so you are all setup then
[15:42] <jcoxon> tis fun tracking
[15:42] <jcoxon> i miss it
[15:43] <fsphil> back
[15:43] <jcoxon> nice and safe landing area as well
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[15:43] <Randomskk> not really getting anything out of the whip now
[15:43] <fsphil> I did jcoxon ! didn't expect that with the vertical aerial
[15:43] <Randomskk> could probably pick it up a bit with the yagi
[15:43] <jcoxon> fsphil, whats the range then?
[15:43] <g4dpz> only garbled packets now, been a great afternoon, well done everyone!
[15:43] <Randomskk> wish I had a better location :(
[15:43] <earthshine_iPod> What aerial is it?
[15:44] <fsphil> gonna work that out now
[15:44] <russss> yeah, I can't get a full decode any more
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[15:44] <fsphil> yea, great work aliens!!
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> Oooh!
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[15:44] Action: SpeedEvil sees a parachute symbol.
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[15:44] <russss> oh wait, just got one.
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[15:45] <Randomskk> lol the icon on the tracker keeps alternating between parachute and balloon
[15:45] <junderwood_> AlienProject, Still between Chevington & Chedburh
[15:45] <Randomskk> AlienProject: "lon":"0.553917"
[15:45] <Randomskk> "lat":"52.18"
[15:45] <earthshine> so it does
[15:45] <g7fal_> Still getting signal, well done all involved.
[15:45] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, that's weird. It started doing that about the time it turned the corner...
[15:46] Action: LazyLeopard expects to lose signal soon...
[15:46] <AlienProject> got it
[15:46] <russss> I've got some crazy interference
[15:46] <Randomskk> I imagine that's 52.18000
[15:46] <russss> sounds like a dying bird
[15:47] <juxta_> hmm, icon changed back to a balloon here, odd
[15:47] <jcoxon> i thought it was based on descent rate
[15:47] <jcoxon> obviously not
[15:47] <russss> there's a blip in the ascent rate
[15:47] <AlienProject> still rxing on the whip here
[15:47] <Randomskk> AlienProject: where are you?
[15:47] <Randomskk> near predicted landing?
[15:48] <Randomskk> I'm getting the odd packet on the whip but not in a great location
[15:48] <AlienProject> we're 3 mins away
[15:48] <Randomskk> nice
[15:48] <Randomskk> landing in ten
[15:48] <Randomskk> see if you can catch it :P
[15:48] <fsphil> jcoxon, last full decode the payload was 554.635 km away
[15:48] <jcoxon> you win!
[15:48] <jcoxon> wow
[15:48] <fsphil> lol
[15:48] <jcoxon> record was 420km
[15:48] <edmoore> AlienProject: can you confirm sbasuita got my text, therefore that I have his number correctly?
[15:48] <earthshine_iPod> Wow
[15:48] <Randomskk> and that's not even with a yagi
[15:48] <fsphil> sweet!
[15:48] <fsphil> nope, just a big vertical
[15:48] <juxta_> well done fsphil
[15:49] <edmoore> wow
[15:49] <juxta_> wow
[15:49] <fsphil> had to sit in the attic though, with the spiders ;-)
[15:49] <juxta_> impressive!
[15:49] <g4dpz> los on the waterfall now
[15:49] <edmoore> that's serious. maybe some kind of atmospheric ducting?
[15:49] <earthshine_iPod> What type of vertical?
[15:49] <russss> fading but still present
[15:49] <juxta_> yeah ducting would make sense edmoore
[15:49] <AlienProject> edmoore, sbasuita confirms
[15:50] <edmoore> AlienProject: ok great, thanks
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: what altitude was that at?
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: I guess you've got a pretty good horizon?
[15:51] <Colin_> Hmm.. it just pretty much vanished here
[15:51] <jcoxon> thats going to be a tough one to beat
[15:51] <jcoxon> MI6VIM : A1,10155,14:11:32,52.238321,000.522493,32962,0000,10,2A412A32,45*65
[15:51] <fsphil> earthshine_iPod, diamond X-50 2m/70cm dual band
[15:51] <jcoxon> that the last string that passed checksum i can see
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> Who's 2E0j? Actually outside the green circle
[15:51] <G3VZV_Graham> I am outside the green circle but can still hear it!
[15:51] <junderwood_> lost it
[15:51] <fsphil> yea just before 33km
[15:52] <LazyLeopard> under 1000m still receiving...
[15:52] <edmoore> should be a nice easy recovery too
[15:52] <edmoore> top stuff
[15:52] <russss> ok, I've lost it
[15:52] <Randomskk> textbook launch so far
[15:52] <russss> probably below my horizon now
[15:52] <G3VZV_Graham> still very clear on the waterfall here
[15:52] <fsphil> SpeedEvil, very clear to the south once you're over the big shop near me -- also the town is about 100m above sea level
[15:52] <Randomskk> all it needs to do now is not land dead on the A143
[15:52] <LazyLeopard> fading now
[15:52] <fsphil> lol
[15:52] <edmoore> lol
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:52] <edmoore> as it shifts directly onto it
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[15:52] <earthshine> That's what impresses me, the range people get when it is at LOW altitude
[15:53] <Randomskk> aww my radio's battery just ran out
[15:53] <Randomskk> that's not bad though, edmoore: one of those lipos, started before they launched, just died
[15:53] <fsphil> brb
[15:53] <G0MJW> Hello All - sorry a bit late. Hearing it OK here.
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> earthshine: indeed
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> G0MJW: Hello!
[15:54] <G3VZV_Graham> ok signal has gone now:(
[15:54] <Randomskk> edmoore: 3hr30 or so
[15:54] <G0MJW> Seem to have missed the fun. Still S4 at 320m
[15:54] <g7fal_> Still got it in IO92wn
[15:54] <earthshine> going to land next to that salt silo
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[15:54] <earthshine> nice access road around the back
[15:54] <g4dpz> looks like the next fied was an old aerodrome, that would be perfect :-)
[15:55] <Randomskk> totally lost it here
[15:55] <LazyLeopard> 742 was last height that looked good here. 680, 609 and 538 somewhat mangled. Then just noise.
[15:55] <edmoore> ha well spotted
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[15:55] <SpeedEvil> I guess it's on the ground
[15:55] <Randomskk> yea should be
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> 320m!
[15:55] <Colin_> Yup, no signal at all here
[15:55] <ms7821> lovely area
[15:56] <Randomskk> predicted landing was over a minute ago
[15:56] <earthshine> well it's landed in a great spot
[15:56] <earthshine> should be easy to spot from the road
[15:56] <Randomskk> certainly looks like it
[15:56] <Randomskk> just gotta wait for the good news now :P
[15:56] <Randomskk> AlienProject: come on :P
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> Well outside the green circle.
[15:57] <earthshine> oh yeah - the faint line of the old runway
[15:57] <edmoore> three of them
[15:57] <edmoore> in that WW2 triangle arrangement
[15:57] <g4dpz> raf debden I guess
[15:57] <Colin_> yep, it's a pretty traditional arrangement
[15:58] <edmoore> amazing how they're everywhere in east anglia
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[16:00] <g4dpz> should we forward dlfldigi logs to someone?
[16:00] <USHARP> any contact from Alienproject yet?
[16:00] <jcoxon> g4dpz, we have the data online
[16:00] <jcoxon> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[16:00] <AlienProject> we had data until 320m heading to predicted final resting place now
[16:00] <g4dpz> OK, I'll fine it, Ta.
[16:00] <jcoxon> but you could also forward your logs to the alien team
[16:00] <Colin_> Ah it looks like it was RAF Chedburgh
[16:00] <edmoore> USHARP: they were very near the landing site last we heard
[16:01] <AlienProject> whoa
[16:01] <AlienProject> we've got singal back!
[16:01] <edmoore> http://spacenear.us/tracker
[16:01] <AlienProject> it's alive!
[16:01] <edmoore> cool, you must be close
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:01] <Randomskk> AlienProject: excellent, now go get that thing :D
[16:01] <G0MJW> I am still hearing it!
[16:01] <Randomskk> G0MJW: !
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> G0MJW: :) !
[16:01] <G0MJW> But not sure data format....
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> IIRC n81, rtty-ascii at 50bp
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> s
[16:02] <junderwood> paste it here
[16:02] <earthshine> are you sure? It will be on the ground by now
[16:02] <AlienProject> $$A1,13170,15:21:49,52.18166V000.611823,00130,0000,06,3C3E3C16,45*10
[16:02] <AlienProject> $$A1,13185,15:02:04,52.181658,000.611871,00127,0000,07,3C3E3C16,45*1c
[16:02] <AlienProject> predict?
[16:02] <edmoore> it'll be on the ground now
[16:02] <AlienProject> back into the noise
[16:02] <edmoore> head to exactly the co-ordinates it gives
[16:02] <G0MJW> Well I am hearing something on the same frequency.... Could be other tests
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[16:03] <earthshine> The last predicted spot was 52.1785, 0.606927
[16:03] <russss> I am now picking up a motorcycle instructor
[16:04] Action: russss resists the temptation to fuck with them
[16:04] <earthshine> if you drive into that road that widens out at the back of the salt silo you should see it around there
[16:04] <Randomskk> hehe
[16:04] <Randomskk> "take the next left"
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=%4052.181658,000.611871&sll=56.215991,-3.11212&sspn=0.011693,0.027595&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=14
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> from above line
[16:04] <Colin_> Yeah, it's a fact of life that we are secondary users on 70cms
[16:05] <Randomskk> nice
[16:05] <Randomskk> just by the roadside :P
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> On the road just above the salt pit
[16:05] <AlienProject> can we have a goolge maps screenshot please?
[16:05] <AlienProject> &sat view
[16:05] <G0MJW> Must be something else! right bearing but far too strong.
[16:06] <Randomskk> AlienProject: https://randomskk.net/u/gmaps.png
[16:06] <Randomskk> the A marker is Depden
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/maps.gif
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> Or that
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> marker is exactly on reported position above
[16:07] <earthshine> http://www.earthshineelectronics.com/Images/ss2.png
[16:07] <edmoore> I'm spartacus!
[16:07] <fsphil> haha
[16:08] Action: fsphil decides not to post his screenshot :p
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> earthshine's position is the predicted one
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[16:08] <SpeedEvil> The other two are from the last telemetered line that you posted AlienProject
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[16:12] <USHARP> this is my first time following a launch, and the tension now is killing me!!!
[16:12] <edmoore> :)
[16:12] <USHARP> cant wait to do this myself!
[16:13] <fsphil> I know the feeling USHARP :D
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[16:13] <USHARP> btw i think i might get the prize for person atm greatest distance away from landing site
[16:15] <earthshine> where r u ?
[16:16] <earthshine> and what is your callsign? I don't see you on the list
[16:17] <G0MJW> Ah well. I seem to have missed all the fun. When is the next one?
[16:17] <earthshine> who knows. Depends on the weather.
[16:18] <earthshine> There are 2 or 3 people waiting to launch.
[16:18] <USHARP> im not actively tracking lol
[16:18] <USHARP> thats a bit hard form australia
[16:18] <earthshine> Ahh ok
[16:18] <earthshine> then it doesn't count ;)
[16:19] <USHARP> shush
[16:19] <earthshine> What was the highest altitude recorded?
[16:19] <Randomskk> 33116
[16:19] <USHARP> dont burst my bubble
[16:19] <Randomskk> USHARP: there are other australians in here :P
[16:19] <USHARP> *apoligises for bad pun
[16:19] <USHARP> ok
[16:19] <USHARP> seriously guys, im gonna go back to being quiet
[16:19] <USHARP> i seem to be making a fool of myself
[16:20] <edmoore> not to worry
[16:20] <edmoore> just get building!
[16:20] <earthshine> yeah
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[16:20] <SpeedEvil> USHARP: you just need a 12000km tall tower with a bend in the middle
[16:21] <DanielRichman_P> Payload retrieved- repeat, success!
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:21] <USHARP> well done!
[16:21] <Randomskk> hurrah!
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> congrats!
[16:21] <Randomskk> final location?
[16:21] <earthshine> YAY!! \o/
[16:21] <Randomskk> payload survive okay? damage report? :P
[16:22] <DanielRichman_P> Will upload full secon by second gps log later
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[16:23] <edmoore> DanielRichman_P: grand
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[16:23] <Randomskk> DanielRichman_P: what did it land on?
[16:23] <Randomskk> nice bit of field?
[16:24] <earthshine> Has someone adjusted the landing spot on the map ?
[16:25] <chembrow> DanielRichman_P didn't you have a GSM broadcast? Did that work?
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[16:32] <G8DSU> Great fun. My first successful reception of a balloon payload. Question: I had screenfuls of apparently error-free decodes but very very few of them appeared to reach the server and those few are listed as having an invalid checksum. Any clues?
[16:32] <Randomskk> G8DSU: were you runningi fldigi with --hab (or the hab version anyway, which has a smaller window and shows hab info at the top)
[16:33] <edmoore> although there have been checksum issues before
[16:33] <edmoore> and I don't recall what the fix was
[16:33] <edmoore> but this might well qualify as a bug
[16:33] <earthshine> Mine didn't show HAB info.
[16:34] <G8DSU> Running dl-fldigi85 under Windows7. Not sure that I see anything that refers to HAB
[16:35] <Randomskk> ah, 85 is before that
[16:35] <Randomskk> hmm
[16:35] <Randomskk> could just be a bug then
[16:35] <chembrow> G8DSU same as me, and I managed to send a few up OK. the only ones of mine which failed checksum did so obviously
[16:36] <earthshine> i got lots of strings that looked fine but that failed the checksum
[16:36] <edmoore> it's not altogether unlikely, the differenc ebetween a correct and incorrect longitude can be very small
[16:36] <Randomskk> hmm upgrading my laptop to lucid involves downloading a bit over 2gb of data
[16:37] <Randomskk> downloading the lucid CD is about 600mb
[16:37] <Randomskk> what
[16:37] <Randomskk> I must have a lot of packages installed
[16:37] <edmoore> it might reinstall all your packages
[16:37] <edmoore> yeah
[16:37] <Randomskk> 1.6gb worth I guess
[16:38] <Randomskk> oh well, all internal at least
[16:38] <G8DSU> Yes, the uploaded ones all have checksum errors and look wrong. None of my 'good ones' seem to have been uploaded.
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[16:38] <fsphil> also remember that it could be the checksum that was received wrong, the data itself would look ok
[16:39] <G8DSU> Good point, but this looks to a more consistent problem.
[16:39] <G8DSU> to be a
[16:39] <fsphil> yea
[16:41] <edmoore> we need to add FEC next
[16:41] <Randomskk> yea
[16:41] <edmoore> and maybe crank the rate up to 300 baud
[16:41] <Randomskk> you reckon?
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[16:42] <Randomskk> mostly you can probably get away with it but the edge cases will drop off
[16:42] <edmoore> we used to run 300 back in the day, got about 500km off Nova 2 and 300 baud. Not sure when 50 become fashionable :)
[16:42] <Randomskk> fair enough
[16:42] <gb73d> sitor b is good 100bd
[16:42] <LazyLeopard> I got a crash from the (I think) latest just as the balloon was almost at its highest.
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[16:43] <LazyLeopard> Looks like it ran out of memory...
[16:43] <fsphil> I used 300 baud on my module, worked fine throughout the flight but I was never more than about 40km away
[16:43] <LazyLeopard> dl_fldigi: (thread -1199076496) posting 'string=A1%2C10095%2C14%3A10%3A31%2C52%2E235051%2C000%2E508280%2C32807%2C0000%2C09%2C2940292D%2C45%2A13&identity=M6LEP'
[16:44] <LazyLeopard> dl_fldigi: UI status: 'dl_fldigi: sentence uploading...'
[16:44] <LazyLeopard> mmap() failed: Cannot allocate memory
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[16:44] <LazyLeopard> Assertion 'b' failed at pulsecore/memblock.c:451, function pa_memblock_acquire(). Aborting.
[16:45] <LazyLeopard> There's more, but that's the gist...
[16:45] <fsphil> pulsecore? pulseaudio?
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[16:46] <LazyLeopard> There's a stack trace if anyone wants it, but it doesn't say much...
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[16:48] <LazyLeopard> I think it actually has something to do with firing off the upload thread.
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[16:56] <Snomi> sup
[16:56] <Snomi> how has alien gone?
[16:56] <Randomskk> textbook
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> They got it back
[16:56] <Snomi> DanielRichman_P: you find it etc?
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> easily
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:56] <Randomskk> ascent at 6.5, burst at 116m over target, landed and recovered
[16:56] <Snomi> sweet
[16:56] <Snomi> where are they now?
[16:56] <Randomskk> on their way home I imagine
[16:57] <Snomi> and how many photos did it take?
[16:57] <Randomskk> not sure
[16:57] <Snomi> hm
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[16:58] <fsphil> probably getting something to eat/drink and looking over images :)
[16:58] <Randomskk> yea :P
[16:58] <Randomskk> though no celebratory pint, they are all too young :P
[16:59] <Snomi> nope
[16:59] <Snomi> all too puss
[16:59] <Snomi> lol
[16:59] <fsphil> lol
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[17:02] <Randomskk> awww man
[17:02] <Randomskk> I just discovered I can set a custom filter width on my radio
[17:02] <Randomskk> down to 50hz
[17:02] <earthshine> lol
[17:03] <Randomskk> set it to 500hz and get it dead centre and you'd get so little other noise
[17:03] <Randomskk> sigh
[17:03] <Randomskk> oh well, next time
[17:03] <Randomskk> also sharp/soft edges
[17:04] <G0MJW> Do you think it would make a difference? The filters in FL Digi will work as well. As long as you are not pumping the AGC with noise the wider filter is OK.
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> And also you'll have to retune _much_ more carefully
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> Other than in the event of really strong co-channel, I don't see it's likely to help much
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> and then doubtfully
[17:04] <Randomskk> true
[17:04] <Randomskk> will play with it next time at any rate
[17:05] <Randomskk> I guess as far as fldigi is concerned it's not really going to make much difference
[17:05] <G0MJW> And if you have an analogue filter you may suffer unexpected group delay and ringing.
[17:06] <Randomskk> I believe it's all dsp in my radio
[17:06] <G0MJW> What radio?
[17:06] <Randomskk> icom ic7000
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[17:07] <G0MJW> Not got one of those. I was using the TS2000. It is all DSP these days.
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[17:24] <LazyLeopard> A comprehensively monitored flight, that. There was at least one point with 12 listeners reported, with one of them being a bit over 554km from the balloon.
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> It looks like I could just see balloons at their apex.
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> I'm about the same distnce as fsphil
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[17:29] <fsphil> where abouts are you?
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> Near Glenrothes, Fife
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[17:41] <gb73d> the alien went up a good way then
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[18:18] <earthshine_iPod> Any pics yet?
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> none reported here
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[18:36] <rjharrison> Eveing all
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[18:36] <rjharrison> Looks like the tracker performed well
[18:37] <rjharrison> One of the cleanest data sets we've had
[18:37] <chembrow> evening. what's the best (read easiest) way to drive an NTX2 from an atmega? got a pair yesterday and want to play tomorrow.
[18:37] <rjharrison> I'm hoping that the move to crc16 will eliminate any errors at all in telemetry
[18:37] <chembrow> what are the input voltages that's used for a mark and space, and how do you get them? potential divider?
[18:38] <rjharrison> The boys should be home soon with the pics
[18:38] <rjharrison> chembrow yep
[18:38] <chembrow> rjharrison yep to the potential divider?
[18:38] <rjharrison> 11Kohm to 30kohm aprox
[18:39] <chembrow> you just drive directly from the micro through resistors of those values?
[18:39] <rjharrison> I use two pins but one pin with a voltage divider is also fine
[18:39] <rjharrison> yes
[18:39] <chembrow> 3.3v or 5v on the micro with those values?
[18:41] <rjharrison> 3.3
[18:43] <chembrow> great, thanks. just looking at your board layout for icarus 1 - the running voltage was the only bit missing
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[18:56] <chembrow> rjharrison how do you come by those values? V=IR? but what's used for I?
[18:58] <rjharrison> Trial and error
[18:59] <rjharrison> It works inthe real world
[18:59] <rjharrison> Assume I os constant
[18:59] <rjharrison> is
[18:59] <rjharrison> and you are just varying V directly
[18:59] <rjharrison> using r
[18:59] <chembrow> thanks. was wondering if there was a calculation you'd used so I could adap
[19:00] <chembrow> adapt to 5v not 3.3v
[19:00] <chembrow> (I'm a programmer, not an electronics guy)
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[19:03] <junderwood> chembrow, the alternative I'm trying is to run the input off a D/A
[19:03] <junderwood> with a SPI temperature sensor on the NTX2 I can compensate for the frequency drift with temperature
[19:03] <chembrow> junderwood D/A = digital to analog? PWM?
[19:04] <junderwood> D/A converter. SPI.
[19:04] <junderwood> I'm using 12 bit - about £5
[19:04] <junderwood> and £0.70 temperature sensors
[19:05] <chembrow> which converter are you using so I can have a look at the datasheet
[19:05] <junderwood> Microchip MCP4821
[19:05] <chembrow> thanks junderwood
[19:05] <junderwood> everything on one chip.
[19:06] <junderwood> then a Micochip TC77 for the temperature compensation
[19:06] <Colin_> what sort of temp does the payload get down to?
[19:06] <junderwood> Not flown it yet :-)
[19:07] <Colin_> no, I mean in general terms - what do people expect?
[19:07] <junderwood> I can keep the transmission frequency spot on for NTX-2 temperatures between -12 and +25C
[19:07] <rjharrison> -10 if you have a camera in there
[19:07] <rjharrison> -60 if not
[19:07] <junderwood> I would expect it not to get much below -20 with decent insulation
[19:08] <Colin_> What about using a heater - maybe one of those chemical stick things
[19:08] <earthshine_iPod> So how do you adjust for temp?
[19:08] <junderwood> adjust the voltage for mark and space into the NTX2 based on the measured temperature.
[19:09] <junderwood> calibrated using a domestic freezer!
[19:09] <chembrow> junderwood presumably you use something along (4096/in-v)*out-v
[19:09] <rjharrison> nice idea junderwood
[19:09] <earthshine_iPod> What are you using to adjust the voltage? Own?
[19:09] <earthshine_iPod> Pen I mean
[19:10] <junderwood> chembrow, I use a polynomial. It's decidedly non-linear
[19:10] <earthshine_iPod> Pwm
[19:10] <junderwood> no. driving the NTX2 input from a SPI D/A converter
[19:10] <junderwood> rjharrison, do have a metric for the number of photos / seconds of video you can get off a set of Lithiums in an A560?
[19:10] <earthshine_iPod> Ahh
[19:10] <chembrow> my head, very much over :)
[19:11] <earthshine_iPod> junderwood: In a test I did 7 hours at 1 every 10 seconds
[19:11] <edmoore> it's trivial. you write a couple of bytes to the DAC, it makes the voltage. Calibration is just like thermister experiments in GCSE physics. Give it a go!
[19:12] <edmoore> ... or O-level depending opn your vintage. did thermistors exist in the days of o-level?
[19:12] <chembrow> edmoore it was the reference to polynomials that threw me. I was OK till then. GCSE physics was many years (and 2 art-degrees) ago.
[19:12] <edmoore> I just read polynomial as 'wiggly' so probs easiest to use a lookup table instead of an equation
[19:12] <sbasuita> guess who's back
[19:12] Nick change: sbasuita -> alienteam
[19:13] <Snomi> dude
[19:13] <earthshine_iPod> But that was room temp
[19:13] <earthshine_iPod> Hey sbasuita
[19:13] <chembrow> that makes sense
[19:13] <Snomi> ohwait are there several of you at your house?
[19:13] <alienteam> all three
[19:13] <edmoore> alienteam: pics or it didn't happen
[19:14] <junderwood> chembrow, it only needs a second order polynominal (=quadratic: V=a*temp*temp+b*temp+c)
[19:17] <junderwood> earthshine_iPod, 7 hours / 1 per 10 secs. Was that at room temp?
[19:17] <chembrow> I draw the line at trigonometry
[19:17] <junderwood> lol
[19:18] <chembrow> I just read the opening paragraph on polynomials on wikipedia; I was OK with the words but not the sentences :)
[19:18] <earthshine_iPod> junderwood: Yes
[19:19] <junderwood> OK. Even with a 50% knock-down on battery life it's good enough
[19:19] <junderwood> chembrow, if in doubt, use a lookup table.
[19:19] <edmoore> seconded
[19:19] <edmoore> wikipedia + maths is not a good idea
[19:20] <junderwood> but you may need to use a polynomial to calculate the values in the lookup table ]>
[19:20] <edmoore> they present everything formally, it's not the way to learn maths unless you've already done quite a bit
[19:20] <edmoore> just make a clibration surface. frequency in z, voltage and temp in x and y
[19:20] <fsphil> ahh, I'm glad you said that because it always makes me feel stupid when I read those articles ;-)
[19:21] <futurity> Hi Ed, do you know the max altitude of today's launch? I'm just about to upload a short video clip of the launch
[19:21] <edmoore> you're not alone. I lonly userstood the wikipedia explanation of kalman filters (for ex) once I understood kalman filters
[19:21] <chembrow> I can handle complex maths much like I handle electronics. I can understand what I read, but can't write/design it
[19:22] <edmoore> it's like languages too. decoding is easier than encoding. the only way to learn is to throw yourself headlong
[19:22] <junderwood> max alt was 33114, I think
[19:22] <edmoore> futurity: alienteam will know
[19:22] <junderwood> +/- 1m
[19:22] <edmoore> although i think the make received on the ground was 33116
[19:22] <futurity> junderwood: thanks
[19:22] <fsphil> yea -- I learned a lot about fortran by fixing a bug in wspr -- primarily that I didn't like it, but the point still counts ;-)
[19:22] <chembrow> edmoore indeed, that's how I learn a new programming language. except LISP; that sh1t is just weird
[19:23] <edmoore> i meant actual languages, like french. but programming too :)
[19:23] <chembrow> I know, but I think the same rules still apply
[19:23] <fsphil> lol
[19:23] <chembrow> not that I do much programming anymore except for fun. I have people to do that for me :p
[19:24] <fsphil> yea I'm going to do a french immersion course one of these days
[19:24] <fsphil> I do programming for fun at work -- thankfully my boss doesn't know yet :)
[19:25] <junderwood> chembrow, VERY messy code for temp compensation at http://pastebin.com/3tiFCzDJ
[19:25] <chembrow> I could never get the hang of human languages, but programming languages always seemed to come easily to me. maybe because of the inherent language in a lot of them
[19:25] <fsphil> chembrow == TRUE
[19:26] <chembrow> I mean "inherent logic in them"
[19:27] <chembrow> junderwood isn't prototype code always like that? get it working then refine it
[19:27] <fsphil> only language I had problems with so far was Python
[19:27] <junderwood> chembrow, 1. Get it working. 2. If it ain't broke - don't fix it :-)
[19:27] <chembrow> I quite like python, the way it forces you to write neat code
[19:27] <chembrow> lol
[19:28] <fsphil> haha
[19:29] <chembrow> the problem with very high level languages (Java, C#, etc...) is that it is very easy for people to write bad code, but takes experience to write very good code. with low-level languages the barrier to entry prevents that sort of coder from even starting
[19:36] <SpeedEvil> Also - it's somewhat opaque to even a clueful n00b what a good program might be.
[19:36] <Randomskk> chembrow: re your earlier conversation, you can just drive them with a single pin straight to its input voltage pin through a single resistor
[19:36] <SpeedEvil> What is the implication of the four different available list types (say)
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> When might performance with one be a million times faster than an alternative
[19:37] <chembrow> Randomskk thanks. rjharrison gave me the resistor values for 3.3v drive, was hoping someone had the equivalent for 5v?
[19:37] <edmoore> alienteam: estimated time of info?
[19:38] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: Oh if only neatly formatted code implied sanity.
[19:38] <chembrow> speedevil that's why most of the better developers (in my experience) have had skilled mentors; the rest remain as programmers banging out code
[19:38] <chembrow> SpeedEvil true, but at least other people can point out mistakes easier if the code is legible
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Poke-a-Dot.aspx :)
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> true
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> Unless their head has exploded due to the legible insanity.
[19:40] <chembrow> I love tdwtf
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[19:40] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> Oh no. Someones leaked the next firmware of the n900. Which has some serious bugs - as it's only a prerelease candidate.
[19:41] <chembrow> the most recent I saw at work was: if ( a == true || a == false ) - they couldn't understand my issue with it
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> But it upgrades the modem firmware - so if you downgrade again, you get a nonworking phone.
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> fun
[19:41] <fsphil> chembrow, sadly I've seen cases in visual basic (ugh) where code like that is necessary
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: Clearly you need to check where they redefined true and false.
[19:41] <chembrow> have many people played with the n900? I loved my n800 to bits (still do)
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: I love it.
[19:42] <chembrow> but I had issue with the shrunk screen on the n900
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: My major complaint with it is still that they only include one stylus.
[19:42] <chembrow> all I wanted was a faster CPU and a modem in the n810
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> yeah - it would have made a rather larger phone device
[19:42] <jcoxon> just updating the ukhas record page
[19:43] <jcoxon> what was the altitude today?
[19:43] <chembrow> I have the HTC HD2 - 4.3" screen (although no keyboard) and not that big a device
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/xchat.png - personally - I use xchat like this - which works well
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> (image is half real pixels)
[19:43] <chembrow> yeah, that wouldn't work wihtout a hardware keyboard
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> I'm up to 30wpm on the hw keyboard
[19:43] <junderwood> jcoxon, 33116 transmitted. I think they may have been logging so it could be a bit higher
[19:44] <jcoxon> on android has anybody tried shapewriter
[19:44] <jcoxon> really like it
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> shapewriter = hw recognition?
[19:44] <fsphil> oh btw SpeedEvil, ended up going for the Thinkpad T60
[19:44] <jcoxon> its a clever touchscreen input concept
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: I had a palmpilot. Anything like grafitti?
[19:45] <jcoxon> instead of typing the individual letters you draw lines on the keyboard linking the letters in order to make your word
[19:45] <jcoxon> especially fast for longer words
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> ah - not really I guess
[19:45] <jcoxon> thanks junderwood
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> Did you get fsphil's record too?
[19:46] <jcoxon> just adding that
[19:46] <jcoxon> that was more the reason why i was updating the list
[19:46] <chembrow> speedevil if they release a device with a 4"+ device I'd go back to maemo in a heartbeat, otherwise it will probably be android for my next toy
[19:46] <jcoxon> Icarus II seems to still hold that alt record (that said i haven't been updating the list enough)
[19:47] <junderwood> did that beat Doug's record on BallastHalo?
[19:47] <jcoxon> yes
[19:47] <junderwood> Wow
[19:47] <jcoxon> dougs was 420km, fsphil 545km
[19:47] <jcoxon> 554km*
[19:47] <junderwood> Impressive
[19:47] <edmoore> guess it must be some pretty fine atmospherics
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: I thought the 3.5" screen would be a bit annoying - it hasn't really been. Maybe it would be if I used it in the sun more.
[19:48] <edmoore> maybe we should set up a system of beacons
[19:48] <junderwood> You need to send another payload on a one way trip so those of us who live close(ish) to the launch site can try for the record.
[19:48] <edmoore> expensive :(
[19:48] <jcoxon> junderwood, i'm on hte case...
[19:48] <junderwood> :-)
[19:48] <jcoxon> got ballasthalo 5 to launch
[19:49] <jcoxon> that said it might actually have working ballast this time
[19:49] <jcoxon> so might not go that far...
[19:49] <chembrow> speedevil I'd need them to release an audible app too
[19:49] <fsphil> I may be launching here in the summer, should be a pretty good range
[19:50] <jcoxon> indeed
[19:50] <junderwood> That will do nicely.
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: ?
[19:50] <jcoxon> rocketboy could probably get that or LazyLeopard
[19:50] <junderwood> Strong easterly would make it interesting
[19:50] <fsphil> could end up landing in england, might need one of you guys to pick it up ;-)
[19:51] <chembrow> www.audible.co.uk Audiobook seller. It makes my daily commute possible without me going crazy
[19:52] <jcoxon> gw8rak will be well placed for a wales collection
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: ah
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: cat book.txt|espeak
[19:53] <fsphil> yea, I'd prefer that too -- further north brings it to liverpool or manchester, and I'd rather avoid big cities
[19:53] <rjharrison> fsphil was it you logging data today from Ireland?
[19:53] <fsphil> aye rjharrison
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: Aren't they just mp3?
[19:53] <rjharrison> Nice one on a veritcal too
[19:53] <rjharrison> Did you try a yagi?
[19:54] <fsphil> I can't get a yagi high enough where I live, it would need to be on the roof to get over a big building to the south
[19:54] <chembrow> speedevil unfortunately no, drm'd aac. used to convert them to play on the n800 but it was _very_ tedious
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: ah - unsure if it will play drm'd AAC
[19:54] <fsphil> I picked up your last launch with the Yagi, but too late - it was already falling
[19:54] <fsphil> so I knew I'd hear something even with the vertical, didn't expect to decode anything
[19:55] <rjharrison> That's good going I think that's a record according to jcoxon
[19:55] <rjharrison> Hat off to you sir was that on an 817nd?
[19:55] <fsphil> indeed
[19:55] <fsphil> little radio worked like a champion :)
[19:55] <rjharrison> They are a nice rigs for this kind of work
[19:55] <rjharrison> They are nice rigs for this kind of work :)
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: apparantly not
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: really awesome :)
[19:56] <rjharrison> Sensitive and very portable.
[19:56] <rjharrison> Not great for massive TX (5w max)
[19:56] <chembrow> speedevil didn't think so, and AFAIK noones cracked the DRM yet
[19:56] <Colin_> yup, I like mine too, just a pity it can't output a bit more power when it's got external pwr avail
[19:56] <fsphil> I'm only allowed 10 watts, so it works for me :)
[19:57] <rjharrison> But the 2 features of portable and sensitive are what count in this game at the moment
[19:57] <rjharrison> Just use a linear amp
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: have you contacted them and said you're not buying books due to this?
[19:57] <rjharrison> If you need to tx
[19:58] <Colin_> rjharrison: yeah, need to get that organised - trouble is I'd need at least 2 (HF and VHF/UHF
[19:58] <fsphil> to be honest, I've little need for big power.
[19:58] <chembrow> speedevil, yes, as did many others on the internettablettalk.org (now talk.maemo.org) list. to no avail
[19:58] <fsphil> not yet anyway
[19:58] <jcoxon> fsphil, i agree - i'm not going to further my licence - quite like my callsign
[19:59] <rjharrison> m0jcx is not a big difference :)
[19:59] <rjharrison> It might interferr with other work though
[19:59] <fsphil> right, brb -- boxes to move
[20:00] <Randomskk> to be honest intermediate really isn't much harder at all and even full is only a few days cramming
[20:00] Action: LazyLeopard is waiting to hear whether Bromley's running an Intermediate course any time soon...
[20:01] Action: Colin_ got in when they were still giving out *real* callsigns ;)
[20:01] <jcoxon> rjharrison, i jsut don't have time for the course
[20:02] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, the bromley club are doing an intermediate
[20:02] <jcoxon> in august
[20:03] <chembrow> what's the difference between a negative and positive voltage regulator?
[20:03] <Colin_> they regulate neg or positive supplies
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: the relative polarity of the reference terminal
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> chembrow: err - rather - if the input voltage is higher or lower by design than the output voltage
[20:05] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: Ugh. August is almost certainly No Good (tm)
[20:05] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, same
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[20:05] <chembrow> speedevil that makes sense, thanks
[20:07] <LazyLeopard> Half August's weekends are already booked, so chances of fitting three days of course into weekends is zilch.
[20:07] <edmoore> three days for an intermediate exam!?
[20:08] <edmoore> an afternoon of practical and a few coffees in the company of the rsgb book, and you'll be sorted
[20:08] <Randomskk> there's really not much over the foundation except more intimate practicals
[20:08] <Randomskk> even then the practicals are like "wire a mains plug"
[20:08] <Randomskk> the actual radio theory is only very slightly more advanced
[20:09] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. I'd be happy with that.
[20:09] <LazyLeopard> I wonder where else nearby the exams are offered...
[20:10] <jcoxon> ukhas has now 49 flights listed
[20:10] Action: Colin_ just checked the Cambridge Club site, but they haven't updated the calander yet
[20:11] <edmoore> yeah, i had a quick mental review the other day and I think i've personally been involved in about 40 launches. amazing how quickly the mount up!
[20:12] <jcoxon> hehe - helps to be the launch side coordinator :-p
[20:12] <russss> speaking of which
[20:12] <edmoore> true dat
[20:12] <russss> I'm still kind of planning to run a course or two at the hackspace
[20:12] <jcoxon> thats certainly more then me
[20:12] <russss> but we're kind of stuck on an HF antenna
[20:13] <Randomskk> oh yea, you have to make an hf contact for foundation don't you?
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[20:13] <Randomskk> long wire and a tuner?
[20:13] <Colin_> russss: where is the hackspace?
[20:13] <russss> near King's Cross, London
[20:13] <jcoxon> russss, we made an hf antenna last time i was there
[20:13] <russss> yeah
[20:13] <russss> it needs to be transmit-worthy though
[20:14] <Colin_> I have a squid pole HF vertical I've just finished building - works well and is portable
[20:14] <edmoore> either build a matching circuit or buy a matching box, I would say
[20:14] <jcoxon> that can be done
[20:14] <Randomskk> does it have to be dx?
[20:14] <russss> I'm not sure, the syllabus is both very verbose and utterly useless
[20:15] <Randomskk> it's up to the person running the course to tick the box, if the syllabus doesn't say it has to be dx...
[20:15] <russss> yeah
[20:15] <Randomskk> have someone in the room next door put on an accent? :P
[20:15] <russss> I'm getting surprisingly good HF performance out of this 70cm antenna :P
[20:15] <jcoxon> ping juxta
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[20:27] <russss> "Demonstrate correct operation of an HF transmitter/receiver in an SSB contact."
[20:27] <russss> it actually strikes me that we could probably string a dipole along the top of the fence
[20:27] <russss> or similar
[20:28] <jcoxon> russss, go for a long wire and match it
[20:28] <jcoxon> loads of people run their HF off a long wire
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[20:30] <Colin_> russss: what is involved in organising a course/exam? Can any full license holder do it?
[20:30] <LazyLeopard> It goes on to say "Controls used shall include frequency, RIT (clarifier), audio gain (volume) RF, microphone gain and antenna tuner (ATU)"
[20:30] <russss> the assessment has to be conducted by a registered person at a registered location
[20:31] <LazyLeopard> ...so you'd need to have an ATU on whatever antenna you used anyway.
[20:31] <russss> yeah true
[20:31] <Randomskk> ATU can be just a case of pressing the auto button
[20:31] <Randomskk> was for me anyway
[20:31] <Colin_> Well my squid pole needs one so I have a used mfj thing
[20:32] <Colin_> it works ok
[20:32] <LazyLeopard> We had to twiddle the appropriate knobs and watch the meter. ;)
[20:32] <Colin_> "tune for maximum smoke"
[20:32] <russss> what annoys me is that the closest amateur radio club is maybe 15 miles out from the center of london
[20:33] <Colin_> too much QRM?
[20:33] <russss> presumably.
[20:33] <russss> also not much space for antennas
[20:33] <russss> I guess
[20:33] <Randomskk> london is bristling with antennas
[20:34] <Randomskk> mostly not amateur though :P
[20:34] <Colin_> Randomskk: yes, but people get upset if you borrow them
[20:34] <russss> most people don't have roof access
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[20:34] <Randomskk> yo DanielRichman
[20:35] <jcoxon> yeah roof access is an issue for me
[20:35] <russss> I have a nice roof
[20:36] <alienteam> guys which photo sharing site should i sign up for?
[20:36] <Randomskk> flickr
[20:36] <russss> yeah, flickr is best
[20:36] <jcoxon> flickr!
[20:37] <futurity> flickr is the normal one used here i think
[20:37] <futurity> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaIcLBfR4OA
[20:37] <futurity> very short video clip of the launch
[20:37] <Randomskk> off it goes into stormy clouds
[20:37] <futurity> I didn't catch the balloon burtsting this time ;)
[20:37] <Randomskk> going at quite a clip
[20:38] <alienteam> alienteam: we were wondering, because Photobucket has a lot more storage on the free account
[20:39] <DanielRichman> alienteam, fill me in on what happened since I left sbasuitas
[20:39] <Randomskk> but is much worse
[20:39] <alienteam> Randomskk: interface is heavier, but I like the fact you can have over 1000 photos on it
[20:39] <alienteam> DanielRichman: we're burning the pics onto DVDs because you ran off with the sd card
[20:39] Action: Randomskk has flickr pro
[20:40] <DanielRichman> alienteam, yes I was going to suggest that
[20:40] <Randomskk> but 200 photos is still a lot, and it's much nicer to use
[20:40] <russss> flickr pro is pretty cheap
[20:40] <Randomskk> it is
[20:40] <alienteam> Randomskk: I have 1100 on my regular Pbucket, for free
[20:40] <DanielRichman> alienteam, 1100 is not enough
[20:40] <Randomskk> out of interest does photobucket do full size originals?
[20:40] <alienteam> (alexbreton speaking)
[20:40] <Randomskk> you don't want to put 3000 photos of the thing online
[20:40] <alienteam> Randomskk: no-one does that, you'd need a ridiculous server
[20:40] <DanielRichman> alienteam, to what extent have you picked the good ones
[20:40] <Randomskk> 200 is more than enough from alien1
[20:40] <Randomskk> alienteam: what?
[20:40] <Randomskk> flickr does
[20:41] <Randomskk> (not for free)
[20:41] <alienteam> Randomskk: exactly
[20:41] <Randomskk> flickr does quite decent sizes for free, 1024x
[20:41] <DanielRichman> alienteam, to what extent have you picked & filtered the good ones?
[20:41] <alienteam> Randomskk: OK looks like we'll use the borrowed money for flickr pro
[20:41] <Randomskk> and unlimited original size for pro
[20:41] <Randomskk> haha okay
[20:41] <DanielRichman> alienteam, also did you contact M3MPX
[20:41] <Randomskk> it's awesome
[20:41] <DanielRichman> alienteam, what's price of flickr pro?
[20:41] <Randomskk> anyway bbl
[20:41] <Randomskk> $24 pa
[20:41] <alienteam> DanielRichman: well, maybe if we had the SD CARD!!! it would be easier
[20:41] <DanielRichman> alienteam, you've got them on your HDD fool
[20:42] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, ok
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[20:42] <DanielRichman> alienteam, you're not going to pick >200 "good ones"
[20:42] <alienteam> DanielRichman: it's taking ages to burn the dvds
[20:42] <DanielRichman> alienteam, you have ages.
[20:42] Action: SpeedEvil hates flickr.
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> (for a number of reasons)
[20:42] <DanielRichman> alienteam, picasa has a 1gb limit rather than a photo count limit
[20:43] <alienteam> DanielRichman: picasa freaked sbasuita out
[20:43] <alienteam> DanielRichman: he signed in and it had a pic of him
[20:43] <DanielRichman> lmao
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[20:48] <DanielRichman> alienteam, I am going to start tagging jpegs with their position and temp
[20:48] <DanielRichman> furthermore; upload of full gps log is pending
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[20:48] <DanielRichman> alienteam, have you signed up for a full flickr account?
[20:48] <alienteam> DanielRichman: so... have you written a script?
[20:48] <alienteam> DanielRichman: no
[20:49] <DanielRichman> alienteam, don't sign up yet. We need to decide how we'll do this
[20:49] <DanielRichman> alienteam, get on skype, discussion will be had
[20:49] <alienteam> DanielRichman: skype is an insta-crash remember
[20:49] <DanielRichman> alienteam, well open it up now and we'll discuss in 5mins
[20:50] <alienteam> DanielRichman: post the log asap please
[20:50] <alienteam> DanielRichman: i will manually tag some of the best and get them up
[20:51] <DanielRichman> alienteam, negative. There's no rush since it's approaching 9pm soon and what you don't want is to upload something you later wish to re-upload; breaking any hyperlinks made
[20:51] <DanielRichman> alienteam, can you md5sum the photo folder and send me the text? once we've confirmed our folders are identical we can get to work filtering the good ones
[20:53] <alienteam> DanielRichman: cat */* | md5sum ?
[20:55] <DanielRichman> alienteam, no; find -type f | xargs md5sum
[20:55] <DanielRichman> then > that to a file
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> err - why?
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> If the files are not corrupt - there is a vanishingly small chance that they've magically changed into goatse.
[21:00] <DanielRichman> alienteam, what is the easiest way to choose the best ones? I have a quick hacky idea
[21:00] <alienteam> DanielRichman: no
[21:01] <alienteam> DanielRichman: we'll go through every single one manually
[21:01] <DanielRichman> alienteam, that's what my idea is
[21:01] <DanielRichman> alienteam, `cp -arl Your_photos Temporary_Folder`
[21:01] <DanielRichman> then bring up nautilus in Temporary Folder and use eog to delete the good ones
[21:01] <DanielRichman> since clicking next is quicker than deleting
[21:01] <alienteam> DanielRichman you're going to spend more time than you will save by going though
[21:01] <DanielRichman> and the majority are going to be nexted
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[21:02] <jcoxon> quick poll here - who has an android phone?
[21:02] <DanielRichman> alienteam, ok. whatever: I don't mind how you do it: choose your "good ones" and give me a list atleast
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: I have a phone which I could install an old version of android on.
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[21:03] <SpeedEvil> (and a n900 which someones put android on, but it is nto published)
[21:03] <jcoxon> just playing around with the SDK (yeah i should be revising) was thinking some HAB apps
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[21:04] <SpeedEvil> I've installed fldigi on mine.
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[21:04] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> However - tehre is no easy way to control an external reciever
[21:05] <Snomi> jcoxon: me and sbasuita have an android phone
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> are the usual recievers serial based?
[21:05] <russss> I have a nexus one
[21:05] <jcoxon> first app i was thinking was a periodic position updater - so that you could run it as the chasecar tracker
[21:05] <Snomi> nice?
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[21:08] <DanielRichman> I provide the following excerpt from the log, alienteam, showing the highest altitude
[21:08] <DanielRichman> $$A1,10146,14:11:23,52.237980,000.520791,33156,0000,10,2A412A32,45*64
[21:08] <DanielRichman> $$A1,10147,14:11:24,52.238000,000.520976,33158,0000,09,2A412A32,45*6D
[21:08] <DanielRichman> $$A1,10148,14:11:25,52.238026,000.521156,33155,0000,09,2A412A32,45*61
[21:08] <edmoore> are there any photos up yet?
[21:08] <DanielRichman> edmoore, we're choosing the ones to upload
[21:08] <edmoore> just one or two
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> just upload every hundredth
[21:08] <edmoore> i'd like to see something then I must sign off for the week to return to revisioin
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> *00.jpg
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> initially
[21:09] <DanielRichman> alienteam, edmoore ^^
[21:09] <edmoore> DanielRichman: eta?
[21:10] <edmoore> it's be good to just chuck a sneak peak on your blog
[21:10] <alienteam> DanielRichman: i'll do one
[21:10] <alienteam> DanielRichman: post the log
[21:10] <alienteam> need to make a flickr accont for myself
[21:10] <DanielRichman> alienteam, tell me the modified time of the photo and I'll give you the details
[21:10] <alienteam> DanielRichman: k
[21:10] <DanielRichman> log isn't postable yet
[21:10] <alienteam> DanielRichman: got your sums btw
[21:11] <DanielRichman> sums?
[21:11] <alienteam> DanielRichman: md5
[21:11] <alienteam> DanielRichman: will paste
[21:11] <DanielRichman> alienteam, paste!?
[21:11] <jcoxon> haha you guys take for ever!
[21:11] <DanielRichman> sssh
[21:11] <jcoxon> if natrium was here he would be screaming
[21:11] <alienteam> it's all about the suspense
[21:11] <edmoore> sledge hammer + nail
[21:11] <DanielRichman> alienteam, just pick your photo and tell me which one it is
[21:12] <edmoore> just imageshack something :p
[21:12] <alienteam> http://pastebin.com/htHzuy70 DanielRichman
[21:12] <jcoxon> edmoore, we should get angry
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[21:12] <alienteam> jcoxon: do the gandalf thing
[21:12] <alienteam> ;P
[21:12] Nick change: alienteam -> sbasuita
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[21:12] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, have you chosen yet!?
[21:12] <edmoore> POST SOMETHING NOW!
[21:13] <sbasuita> i'm choosing
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> http://boards.4chan.org/sci/
[21:13] <jcoxon> no wonder it took you guys 6 months to launch
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[21:13] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, not sure thats the link edmoore was looking for
[21:14] <edmoore> I'm not sure 4chan is safe for the under-18s present
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> I was meaning as an image sharing service.
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[21:14] <edmoore> not that it contains anyone other than under-18s as its members
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> oh - forgot about their fragile little minds.
[21:14] Action: sbasuita has seen it all before
[21:14] <edmoore> lucky her. now get choosing.
[21:15] <sbasuita> ;P
[21:15] <jcoxon> urgh eclipse is nasty
[21:15] <Snomi> edmoore: not all of 4chan is for 18+ only
[21:16] <Snomi> /sci/ is for everyone i believe
[21:16] <edmoore> it's mentally entirely <18s only
[21:16] Action: jcoxon thinks that whats on 4chan should stay on 4chan
[21:16] <sbasuita> uploading image....
[21:16] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, you were meant to tell me which one it was
[21:16] <sbasuita> 5
[21:16] <sbasuita> 4
[21:16] <sbasuita> 3
[21:16] <sbasuita> 2
[21:17] <sbasuita> 1
[21:17] <DanielRichman> anticlimax
[21:17] <sbasuita> http://ssb.anapnea.net/stuff/alien-1.jpg
[21:17] <edmoore> WIN
[21:17] <jcoxon> there was a good 4chan twilight XKCD comic
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> neat
[21:17] <jcoxon> tis a goody
[21:18] <edmoore> you've got your money's worth there
[21:18] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, has alex gone home?
[21:18] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yep
[21:18] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, did you manage contact with m6mpx?
[21:18] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yep
[21:18] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, good
[21:18] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: had to disconnect from mains to lower noise floor
[21:18] <Upu> awesome picture
[21:18] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: but then ran out of power
[21:19] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, what was preventing him from getting through to the repeater?
[21:19] <Snomi> sbasuita: DanielRichman: sick photo
[21:19] <DanielRichman> he said that he only got s1 from it
[21:19] <DanielRichman> (whereas we had s9)
[21:19] <DanielRichman> +
[21:19] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: dunno, he txed from a hill outside
[21:19] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, lmao
[21:19] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, he's CCF like that
[21:19] <sbasuita> ;P
[21:21] <rjharrison> Hey guys back then
[21:21] <DanielRichman> md5sum alien-1.jpg
[21:21] <DanielRichman> find -type f | xargs md5sum | grep 4f8fd9a41b074c9ec9b35d3097ee8f17
[21:21] <DanielRichman> stat pictures/101CANON/IMG_4038.JPG
[21:21] <DanielRichman> Modify: 2010-05-02 14:12:26.000000000 +0100
[21:21] <DanielRichman> THEREFORE: $$A1,10209,14:12:26,52.240673,000.539988,29750,0000,07,2B42ABFF,45*1B
[21:21] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, that's where that pic was taken
[21:22] <sbasuita> pretty high
[21:22] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I think you should upload IMG_2909
[21:22] <Snomi> DanielRichman: how many images were there?
[21:23] <sbasuita> Snomi: 3,000
[21:23] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, 2791-2809 got the balloon filling on camera
[21:23] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: yeah me and alex went through all of them afte ryou left
[21:23] <DanielRichman> though I bet rjharrison has some better pictures of ed trying to take the balloon outside :)
[21:25] <sbasuita> blogged that image btw
[21:25] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, all the gps data checks out; going to write a script to make it human readable then upload
[21:25] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: cool
[21:26] <DanielRichman> s/script/regular expressions in vim/
[21:26] <sbasuita> bbiab foods
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> DanielRichman: you've verified the clock offset of the camera?
[21:29] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, yeah it matches up
[21:29] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, I made sure to set the clock before hand
[21:29] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, then checked the gps vs the time sbasuita let go of the payload
[21:29] <DanielRichman> they're within 1s
[21:29] <Snomi> DanielRichman: is sbasuita uploading the pictures?
[21:29] <Snomi> or are you getting the info neat
[21:29] <DanielRichman> Snomi, we're going to select pictures then tag and upload
[21:30] <Snomi> DanielRichman: tag? *pukes)
[21:31] <DanielRichman> Snomi, tag with gps location and temperature; what did you think we meant? We're not going to watermark them or anything
[21:31] <Snomi> DanielRichman: make sure you get a wide variety from balloon at all points k?
[21:31] <DanielRichman> um.
[21:31] <Snomi> DanielRichman: i just meant bare effort
[21:31] <Snomi> DanielRichman: like at lift off etc...
[21:32] <DanielRichman> oh right no; will be automated
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> DanielRichman: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Photo_mapping
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> DanielRichman: some of the software there may be of use
[21:32] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, thank you :)
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> np
[21:32] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, btw, on this launch I looked into the possibility of putting camb+east maps from OSM onto the laptop but left it too late to do so properly
[21:33] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, I think in the past you mentioned you were an OSM guy
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> yeah - a bit
[21:33] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, how easy is it in reality? I got about half way (completed osm2pgsql)
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> umm
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> I've never done that - I've simply grabbed tiles when I need maps
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> and used - for example - osm2go as an editor
[21:34] <sbasuita> will it have all teh country lanes and stuff we need though?
[21:34] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, it looked pretty good
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> Also - OS has recently released some streetview imagery.
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> (which is a map with street names)
[21:34] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: so what's the plan
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> but I'm unsure where that is.
[21:34] <Snomi> osm= awesome in lolspeak
[21:35] <Snomi> or similar faggotry
[21:35] <sbasuita> ???
[21:35] <DanielRichman> Snomi, open street map
[21:35] <Snomi> a shortening
[21:35] <Snomi> i know
[21:35] <Snomi> i was just notifying you of other meanings
[21:36] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, we need to pick the good ones
[21:36] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I'm making the log nicer so you start picking
[21:36] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: ok i'll go through and make a list
[21:36] <sbasuita> just after i've embarrased edmoore
[21:36] <sbasuita> http://ssb.anapnea.net/stuff/ed.jpg
[21:36] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, OK I don't mind how you do it but make a list in the format of IMG_????.JPG
[21:36] <sbasuita> ;|
[21:37] <Snomi> /stuff -.-
[21:37] <DanielRichman> (the alien project would like to note that we are very grateful for edmoore's help at the launch)
[21:37] <Snomi> that's poor
[21:37] <Snomi> stuff as opposed to what?
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[21:40] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: DanielRichman importing the photos
[21:40] <AlexBreton> dragged and dropped =)
[21:40] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: cool i blogged one of them
[21:40] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: pick your favourites and put in a text file
[21:40] <sbasuita> one number per line
[21:41] <sbasuita> we'll merge after
[21:41] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: you'd better have blogged a good one
[21:41] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, you and sbasuita start assembling a list of "good" photos
[21:41] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: make sure they're in numerical order
[21:41] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: don't worry, we have all monday as well
[21:41] <sbasuita> actually
[21:41] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: unless you want it this evening
[21:41] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: wave?
[21:42] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: sounds good to me
[21:42] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: make a good pics wave
[21:42] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: maybe a ranking for good and epic
[21:42] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: separate categories
[21:43] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: um just get an initial list first
[21:43] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: i've added you
[21:43] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: there are quite a few that are technically correct, but we might want to set a few aside for blagging purposes/printing
[21:43] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: you start on the second folder
[21:43] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: well chosen on the blog btw
[21:43] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, AlexBreton no need to be in order; unix has a command for that
[21:44] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: makes it easier if in order for humans
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[21:44] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, AlexBreton don't worry about duplicates either; we've got another one for that. Just pick them and stuff names in the wave
[21:44] <AlexBreton> k
[21:44] <AlexBreton> 975 remaining
[21:44] <AlexBreton> out of first dvd
[21:47] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, going to do this to the ones we choose: http://owl.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/TagNames/GPS.html
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[21:57] <Laurenceb> hi
[21:57] <Laurenceb> recovery ok
[21:57] <Laurenceb> ?
[21:57] <AlexBreton> yep
[21:58] <AlexBreton> very ok
[21:58] <AlexBreton> great success
[21:58] <AlexBreton> found in a field, close to the track going through
[21:58] <AlexBreton> about 500m from an A-road
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[21:59] <Laurenceb> neat
[21:59] <Laurenceb> does the prediction update during the flight?
[22:00] <Laurenceb> it seemed crazy accurate
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> yes
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> every 60s?
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> It would be nice if it would show old positions in some way - but...
[22:00] <fsphil> any pics yet? :)
[22:01] <sbasuita> fsphil: one on the blog
[22:01] <sbasuita> fsphil: we're currently sifting through
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> http://ssb.anapnea.net/stuff/alien-1.jpg
[22:01] <fsphil> super
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> is the only one so far
[22:01] <sbasuita> i'm about 1/3 through
[22:01] <fsphil> oh that is brilliant
[22:02] <sbasuita> :)
[22:02] <sbasuita> fsphil: my new desktop background; stood out even in the thumbnails
[22:02] <Laurenceb> sweet, what altitude?
[22:02] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: what img code is that one?
[22:03] <AlexBreton> Laurenceb: haven't done altitudes yet
[22:03] <fsphil> great work guys, everything looks to have worked perfectly
[22:03] <fsphil> just saw the launch video, that's crazy weather
[22:03] <sbasuita> Laurenceb: just under 30km
[22:04] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: 4038
[22:04] <Laurenceb> nice work
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[22:04] <sbasuita> yeah there were some really varied clouds
[22:05] <Snomi> AlexBreton's dad will tell you all about clouds sbasuita
[22:05] <AlexBreton> Snomi: we already had cloudspotting banter
[22:05] <AlexBreton> mostly stratocumulus with a few cumulus here and there and obv cirrus higher up
[22:05] Action: sbasuita spots airplane
[22:06] <sbasuita> 3107
[22:06] <sbasuita> although we're below it
[22:06] <sbasuita> unless its just glare
[22:06] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: what do you think
[22:06] <sbasuita> i'm leaning on glare actually
[22:06] <sbasuita> though still an odd artifact
[22:07] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: that's the moon
[22:07] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: blurred
[22:07] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: would be my guess - hard to tell
[22:07] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: i'm not seeing that
[22:07] <sbasuita> mmm
[22:07] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: don't think it's a plane
[22:07] <sbasuita> maybe a scratch on the lens caught the light
[22:08] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: doubt it
[22:08] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: looks like something blurry
[22:08] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: actually no, if you look at teh top of the image
[22:08] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: zoom in, there are more of them
[22:08] <AlexBreton> pull the EXIF and get the shutter soeed
[22:08] <sbasuita> f/7.1 aperture
[22:08] <sbasuita> 1/320 sec exposure
[22:09] <AlexBreton> k it's not blur
[22:09] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: some crap on the filter then
[22:09] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: yep
[22:11] <sbasuita> (http://ssb.anapnea.net/stuff/artifact.jpg)
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> Ice falling from the balloon?
[22:12] <sbasuita> is that possible?
[22:12] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: telemetry?
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> dunno
[22:12] <sbasuita> (of that pic)
[22:13] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, give me its original filename
[22:13] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: 3107
[22:14] <DanielRichman> $$A1,05629,12:56:02,52.186043,-000.136931,05984,0000,07,3E45BEDC,45*3A
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[22:16] Action: sbasuita skips through frozen lens pics
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[22:21] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: narrowed down the pics on the first DVD to 230
[22:21] <AlexBreton> just by deleting the really trashy thumbnails
[22:21] <AlexBreton> also a lot of photos are basically the same
[22:26] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: you not waving?
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[22:35] <fsphil> how quickly where you taking images?
[22:36] <sbasuita> fsphil: every 5 secs
[22:36] <sbasuita> fsphil: the camera was hot when it landed ;P
[22:36] <fsphil> lol
[22:36] <sbasuita> (after sitting in freezing wind for 30 mins)
[22:36] <fsphil> that's a lot of pics
[22:36] <fsphil> but great for making panoramas
[22:36] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: still filtering
[22:36] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: same
[22:37] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: why aren't you doing it on wave?
[22:37] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: check out 3998
[22:37] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: that's godly
[22:37] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: gonna delete them on the HD - the bad one
[22:37] <AlexBreton> s
[22:37] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: then pull the list of remaining files onto wave
[22:38] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: rofl, I deleted it
[22:38] <sbasuita> ...
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[22:38] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: its a perfect sun flare
[22:38] <sbasuita> framing is spectacular
[22:38] <Snomi> add me to wave
[22:38] <sbasuita> no
[22:38] <sbasuita> there are no pics
[22:38] <Snomi> eh?
[22:38] <sbasuita> just alist of numbers
[22:38] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: there's no such thing as a perfect sun flare
[22:39] <Snomi> lol safe list of numbers
[22:39] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: people don't photograph the sun
[22:39] <AlexBreton> Snomi: get out
[22:39] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: it's terrible, all the aberrations show what a crappy lens it is
[22:39] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: low-fi baby
[22:39] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: srsly, it's a terrible photo
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[22:40] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: I love 4006
[22:40] Action: fsphil photographs the sun :p
[22:40] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: nah, its too flat for me
[22:41] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: it's a great curve
[22:41] <sbasuita> fair play
[22:41] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: perfectly framed and the clouds are good
[22:41] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: 1/4 of the frame is black and 3/4 is earth
[22:41] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: we need 4033
[22:41] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: pure black
[22:41] <sbasuita> space
[22:41] <SpeedEvil1> The final frontier!
[22:41] Nick change: SpeedEvil1 -> SpeedEvil
[22:42] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: you joker
[22:42] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: they'll just say that it's shopped
[22:42] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: then they're idiots
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[22:43] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: tbf
[22:43] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: it could easily be shopped
[22:43] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: no !s until we've finished first pass k
[22:43] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: why not?
[22:43] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: cause then you see them in context of the other good ones
[22:43] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: instead of surrounded by crap ;)
[22:44] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: fine w/e I can handle psychology
[22:44] <sbasuita> lul
[22:44] <sbasuita> #ha can't enough of the number excitement
[22:45] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: teasing
[22:45] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: did you see 4045? it's epic
[22:46] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: nice colours
[22:46] <fsphil> jcoxon, do you mind if I add Cirrus into the records page? the highest recorded alt. was 29.886km - though it did get over 30k
[22:47] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: can you tell me the ISO on 4045?
[22:48] <sbasuita> Exposure Time: 1/1000 sec.
[22:48] <sbasuita> Aperture Value: 5.66 EV (f/7.1)
[22:48] <sbasuita> ISO Speed Rating: 80
[22:48] <sbasuita> AlexBreton:
[22:48] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: hmmm
[22:48] <jcoxon> fsphil, no problem
[22:48] <AlexBreton> lowest one
[22:48] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: still a bit of grain
[22:48] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: guess it's coz of the small sensor
[22:48] <AlexBreton> replace grain by noise
[22:49] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: we need a bigger area sensor
[22:49] <jcoxon> its not a great list to tell the truth
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[22:49] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: looking forward to our HD camera for alien 2
[22:49] <fsphil> nice to have though
[22:50] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: HD video you mean?
[22:50] <fsphil> gives a good idea of what to expect
[22:50] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: yep
[22:50] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: ya should be good
[22:50] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: we need a stills camera too tho
[22:50] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: these pictures are so good i'm sure we can blag anything
[22:50] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: agreed
[22:50] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: I'm tempted to call Canon
[22:50] <fsphil> hehe
[22:50] <fsphil> go for it
[22:50] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: and ask them for a free camera :P
[22:50] <daviddjc> hello all
[22:51] <daviddjc> new here
[22:51] <sbasuita> 2,00 down AlexBreton
[22:51] <sbasuita> hey daviddjc
[22:51] <fsphil> hiya daviddjc
[22:51] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: lol let's figure out what the very best hd solid state camera is and blag it
[22:51] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: maybe a panasonic 3-CMOS
[22:52] <AlexBreton> the ones that have a separate cmos for red, green and blue
[22:52] <daviddjc> just starting my adventures in to high altitude balloons, so thought id stop by
[22:52] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, (records page): we made 33158m in the end
[22:53] <sbasuita> daviddjc: awesome; we had our first launch today
[22:53] <daviddjc> go well?
[22:53] <sbasuita> daviddjc: excellent
[22:53] <sbasuita> daviddjc: take a look at the picture on http://alienproject.wordpress.com
[22:53] <daviddjc> sure will
[22:53] <sbasuita> daviddjc: the guys here will give you all the help you need
[22:54] <daviddjc> nice :)
[22:54] <sbasuita> daviddjc: where are you based?
[22:54] <daviddjc> essex
[22:54] <daviddjc> UK
[22:55] <sbasuita> daviddjc: so the jet stream takes you straight out over the north sea ;D
[22:55] <daviddjc> nice :D
[22:57] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: the second folder is pretty poor
[22:57] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: haven't loaded it yet
[22:57] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: I thought so too
[22:57] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: mostly grass right?
[22:57] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: well no, the descent in general
[22:58] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: bare blurry?
[22:58] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: and boring
[22:59] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: ya thought so
[22:59] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: maybe you're jsut bored by the time you get to them
[22:59] <sbasuita> ;P
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[22:59] <sbasuita> been through over 2k photos so yeh
[22:59] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: narrowed the first one down to 145 yeah
[22:59] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: ok so we'll merge out lists then do some ratings
[23:00] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: i'm thinking a single ! for "this is interesting/above average" and a double !! for "this makes you go wow"
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[23:02] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: 4488 best of descent so far
[23:03] <sbasuita> where's dan gone?
[23:03] <sbasuita> oh he's still here
[23:03] <sbasuita> ;P
[23:03] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: wuu2?
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[23:04] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, annotating the log
[23:05] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: ratings now?
[23:05] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: tbh don't see the need for double !
[23:06] <sbasuita> finished shortlisting
[23:06] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: yeah we need double
[23:06] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: the pics there are all interesting/above average
[23:06] <AlexBreton> so the single ! will be for wow
[23:06] <sbasuita> =/
[23:06] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: you finished?
[23:06] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: if it doesn't qualify for single ! under your criteria it shouldn't be on the wave
[23:06] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: ya I'm done
[23:07] <sbasuita> so we've got 100 pics
[23:07] <sbasuita> nice
[23:07] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: aiming for about 10 with !
[23:07] <AlexBreton> 10-20
[23:07] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, where do I upload annotated log? (i'll start geotagging all the jpgs soon
[23:07] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: anywhere man
[23:07] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, hmm ukhas
[23:07] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: ?
[23:08] <sbasuita> don't aim for a certain number
[23:08] <sbasuita> just ! any you think are better than the others on the list
[23:08] <sbasuita> keep going over again adding more ! until you get the very best
[23:08] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: don't inflate the value of !
[23:09] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: DanielRichman be really strict about !
[23:09] <sbasuita> !!!!
[23:10] <daviddjc> For simplicity is it possible just to use sms for recovery, and no radio? Obviously there would be no inflight tracking although would still allow recovery.
[23:10] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, you can't have enough !!!
[23:10] <sbasuita> daviddjc: our sms didn't work today
[23:10] <sbasuita> daviddjc: we flew both systems
[23:10] <DanielRichman> daviddjc, we tried flying sms; did that today. It had no signal when it landed and we had to rely on radio
[23:10] <sbasuita> daviddjc: its a really bad idea imho
[23:11] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, step one: upload log to ukhas wiki
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> as a backup, it's good
[23:11] <DanielRichman> step two
[23:11] <DanielRichman> Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /var/www/ukhas.org.uk/inc/parser/lexer.php on line 539
[23:11] <daviddjc> ah okay
[23:11] <sbasuita> daviddjc: as in, bad idea relying solely on it
[23:11] <sbasuita> daviddjc: by all means include it as an auxiliary to radio
[23:12] <daviddjc> do you know why it failed to work?
[23:12] <sbasuita> daviddjc: no signal
[23:12] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: spotted an airport
[23:13] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: oh?
[23:13] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: 3928
[23:13] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: looks suspiciously like runways
[23:13] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: where?
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> (11:10:38 PM) DanielRichman: daviddjc, we tried flying sms; did that today. It had no signal when it landed and we had to rely on radio
[23:13] <sbasuita> oh yeah
[23:13] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: bottom middle-ish
[23:13] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: interesting
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> oops
[23:13] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: cambridge airport maybe
[23:13] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: add to list
[23:14] <DanielRichman> we are not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure it had no signals
[23:14] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: already on
[23:14] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, if you can bear the wordpress upload dialogue we have ~3gb freespace ther
[23:14] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, actually scrap that wordpress is so slow
[23:14] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: can you give us the co-ords for IMG_3928
[23:14] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: there's an airport on it - we need to know which one
[23:15] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, also note this is th e format of the annotated log I'm uploading; is it ok?
[23:15] <DanielRichman> $$A1,09666,14:03:22,52.226133,000.377006,29944,0000,09,223B2216,45*1C | 14:03:22: N52.226133 E000.377006 29944M (09 satellites), Internal: 29.5'C, External: 11.0'C
[23:15] <sbasuita> cool
[23:15] <AlexBreton> kthx
[23:16] <daviddjc> The radio tracking is my main lack of knowledge at the moment, even after reading into it. Does anyone have a good link for explaining what is require and how it works?
[23:17] <earthshine> hello
[23:17] <earthshine> have we got any pics from today yet ?
[23:17] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, can't find decent place to upload
[23:17] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: flickr will do
[23:17] <AlexBreton> earthshine: check the blog
[23:17] <AlexBreton> there's on there
[23:17] <DanielRichman> earthshine, http://alienproject.wordpress.com/2010/05/02/sneak-preview/
[23:17] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I mean, upload text (log)
[23:18] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: just put it on anapnea or something
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[23:19] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, can you put it on yours? I'll send you the files
[23:19] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: ok
[23:19] <earthshine> wow - nice image
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[23:19] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: email me
[23:19] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, they're in my anapnea /home; grab them and stick them somewhere they wont move around
[23:19] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, you might want to give the two files better names
[23:20] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: i can't do anything with them in there you know
[23:20] <jcoxon> daviddjc, have you seen the wiki?
[23:20] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk
[23:20] <jcoxon> check out the beginners guides at the top
[23:21] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, whatever. I'll email
[23:22] <sbasuita> allow
[23:22] <sbasuita> gtg
[23:22] <daviddjc> jcoxon, thanks ill have a read
[23:26] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: banter on the wave
[23:33] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: your love of lens flare is contestable - let's clear this up - it's an unwanted and unsightly artifact that reveals how cheap the lens is
[23:34] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: no, its really artistic
[23:34] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: it's horrible
[23:34] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: we don't have to agree, just pick your favourites and we'll roll with them
[23:34] <earthshine> i agree
[23:34] <Colin_> Actually - this is science not art - you should *not* edit the images
[23:34] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, using exiftool?
[23:35] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: ?
[23:35] <DanielRichman> Colin_, no editing just filtering the 2.5k pictures
[23:35] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, are you using any particular tool to read exif
[23:35] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: right click, properties
[23:35] <DanielRichman> -.-
[23:36] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, download my anapnea/stuff 2 files and rehost please
[23:37] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: done
[23:37] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, read, agree, then link from ukhas page or blog
[23:38] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: busy with rankings atm
[23:41] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, AlexBreton, http://pastebin.com/mEjzwr4U
[23:46] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: DanielRichman: done ranking
[23:46] <sbasuita> how about you guys?
[23:46] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: yeah been cleaning up and adding to the wave
[23:47] <sbasuita> ok we've got 41
[23:47] <sbasuita> that's a good number
[23:47] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: how to tag then?
[23:47] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: have you cooked up a script?
[23:47] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: i assume i'm uploading to flickr?
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[23:48] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: gah pro account goes out of the ALIEN-2 budget then
[23:48] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: its cheap
[23:48] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: besides 40/200 is nothing
[23:48] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: but not free
[23:48] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: that's four more launches still
[23:49] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: k so don't get a pro account
[23:49] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: yeah i won't straight away
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[23:49] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, no I will have to do the uploading
[23:49] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: have fun with yahoo's trash
[23:49] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, actually no I'll give you some commands to run
[23:50] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, give me a bit more time to cooking
[23:50] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: k
[23:54] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: DanielRichman overall I think there are some pretty damn good photos there, great law of averages success
[23:55] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: DanielRichman also I got recommended a lab by someone who knows what they're talking about, says it's one of the ebst around
[23:56] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: DanielRichman also not very expensive http://proamimaging.com/index.html
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[23:58] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, /me likes
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