highaltitude.log.20100430

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[07:20] <earthshine> morning
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[11:12] <rharrison> Apart from the weather this w/e is looking good for launch
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[11:41] <alexbreton> rharrison: Hello. Could you please confirm that you will help us launch on Sunday at Big EARS?
[11:41] <rharrison> I'm just working on the details with the wife
[11:41] <rharrison> But yess I should be hter
[11:41] <rharrison> there
[11:42] <alexbreton> rharrison: great, thx]
[11:42] <rharrison> What time do you plan to launch?
[11:42] <alexbreton> rharrison: what's the situation regarding helium?
[11:42] <alexbreton> rharrison: 10.00 morning
[11:42] <rharrison> I'm thinking of putting something up quite early on
[11:42] <alexbreton> rharrison: how early would that be?
[11:43] <rharrison> Cool are you going to be camping there?
[11:43] <alexbreton> rharrison: we'd have to stagger times so that we only have 1 balloon in the air at any 1 time
[11:43] <rharrison> there is a big rocketry event on this weekend
[11:43] <alexbreton> rharrison: definitely not camping
[11:43] <rharrison> Yep I'll flick the tx on mine to 650
[11:44] <alexbreton> rharrison: we plan to arrive at EARS before launch - how long before?
[11:44] <rharrison> For your first I'd give it two hours
[11:45] <alexbreton> rharrison: 2 hour drive from reading to cambridge
[11:45] <alexbreton> rharrison: so we'll have to leave the house VERY early
[11:45] <rharrison> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100429/wl_asia_afp/australiausspacenasa
[11:45] <rharrison> alexbreton, yep
[11:45] <alexbreton> rharrison: do you have helium for two balloons?
[11:47] <alexbreton> rharrison: also, when do you want to launch?
[11:47] <alexbreton> i guess if we went first you could help us with filling etc then we could go off and chase
[11:49] <rharrison> Sure
[11:49] <rharrison> I'm easy on launch
[11:50] <rharrison> It would just be fun to come down and see you guys off
[11:50] <alexbreton> rharrison: what's the hel;ium situation?
[11:50] <alexbreton> and NOTAM
[11:50] <rharrison> alexbreton, an I right in thinking your the older member of the team
[11:50] <alexbreton> rharrison: all more or less the same age (same year group) but sbasuita is the oldest by about 8 months
[11:51] <rharrison> Right you type a bit older :)
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[11:52] <alexbreton> rharrison: where do you get your helium from?
[11:52] Action: SpeedEvil guesses nuclear fusion.
[11:53] <rharrison> BOC local store
[11:53] <alexbreton> rharrison: we don't know where ours will come from yet...
[11:54] <rharrison> I think I said to daniel that you have have some from me but I would like 30 quid towards the cost
[11:54] <rharrison> This is a good deal
[11:55] <rharrison> I'm not getting it free yet
[11:55] <rharrison> If I was you could have it for free
[11:55] <alexbreton> rharrison: ok, I guess that's fine
[11:56] <rharrison> Unless you tap ed for some and I'll collect and return cylinder
[11:56] <alexbreton> rharrison: hopefully we can offset it by selling photos or the press
[11:56] <rharrison> Good luck with that
[11:57] <alexbreton> rharrison: pray everything goes well
[11:57] <rharrison> alex can you pm me some phone numbers accross
[11:58] <alexbreton> rharrison: your help is much appreciated, given that we are complete newbies
[11:58] <alexbreton> rharrison: sure
[11:58] <rharrison> Sure I'll point you in the right direction and make sure you're off to a good start
[11:58] <rharrison> who's the driver?
[11:58] <rharrison> Dad?
[12:00] <alexbreton> sbasuita: 's dad will be driving
[12:02] <alexbreton> rharrison: is there a checklist of stuff we need for a ballon launch?
[12:03] <alexbreton> rharrison: anyway, must dash - lessons and all that
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[12:17] <rharrison> Right http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a67_1272586377
[12:17] <rharrison> ping sbasuita
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[12:51] <futurity> Hi everyone,
[12:51] <futurity> are any launches still planned for the weekend? Ground level weather doesn't look too good for Saturday and Sunday. Monday seems better
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> (11:42:45 AM) alexbreton: rharrison: 10.00 morning
[13:17] <rharrison> Hi SpeedEvil
[13:17] <rharrison> futurity, yes two I think
[13:17] <rharrison> Sunday
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> (11:41:24 AM) alexbreton: rharrison: Hello. Could you please confirm that you will help us launch on Sunday at Big EARS?
[13:18] <rharrison> SpeedEvil, keep reading the logs all confirmed
[13:18] <futurity> Hi Back
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> yes - that was the only one with the time
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> I was pasting for futurity
[13:18] <futurity> rharrison: at the EARS site?
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[13:18] <rharrison> futurity, yep
[13:19] <rharrison> I plan to cam over sat subject to wx and launch sunday
[13:19] <rharrison> Will have at least one kid with me
[13:19] <earthshine_> hello hello
[13:19] <rharrison> hi
[13:19] <futurity> cool, do you have permission to launch in amoungst the rocket launches? Do you have an estimated launch time yet or will that be tired down the evening before?
[13:19] <earthshine_> Is this EARS thing this weekend?
[13:20] <futurity> i think so let me check
[13:20] <futurity> yes it is
[13:20] <futurity> http://www.ears.org.uk/launches/bigears/index.shtml
[13:20] <futurity> if this weekend is the 1 May
[13:20] <earthshine_> sure is
[13:20] <futurity> yep
[13:20] <earthshine_> Cool - I might go for one day
[13:21] <earthshine_> Anyone else going?
[13:21] <rharrison> futurity, all permissons sought and granted
[13:21] <futurity> i was looking to go on Monday as the weather is better then at ground level at least
[13:21] <rharrison> there will be 5 HAB memeners there
[13:21] <futurity> rharrison: cool
[13:21] <rharrison> futurity, you may miss some of the action though
[13:21] <futurity> ok Sunday it is for me as well then ;)
[13:22] <rharrison> Will all be keeping a close eye on the wx
[13:22] <earthshine_> so what day is the best to meet up with you guys?
[13:22] <futurity> I guess Sunday?
[13:22] <rharrison> Sunday if you want to play balloons
[13:22] <earthshine_> Rockets too ?
[13:22] <rharrison> futurity, just treated myself to an eos5d mkII
[13:22] <futurity> rharrison: anyone else launching from EARS that day?
[13:22] <rharrison> earthshine, should be
[13:22] <futurity> Very nice camera
[13:22] <rharrison> yep sbasuita et al
[13:23] <futurity> it does HD 1080P video as well i think?
[13:23] <rharrison> Yep
[13:23] <futurity> well you know that 1080p can capture a balloon in space ;)
[13:23] <futurity> good tech
[13:23] <rharrison> Yep :)
[13:23] <earthshine_> The 5D MkII is an excellent camera
[13:24] <earthshine_> rjharrisos: Cool - i'd like to come up to watch and if I can meet up with a few of the HAB guys that would be nice
[13:24] <earthshine_> rjharrison i mean
[13:25] <futurity> i think rjharrisos is a greek clone
[13:25] <futurity> http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/324?&search=cambridge&itemsPerPage=10&region=uk
[13:25] <futurity> weather on Sunday looks the worst over the whole weekend
[13:26] <futurity> but i take it, it'll be fine once out of the clouds?
[13:29] <rharrison> The lens is a 24-105 L IS USM
[13:30] <rharrison> yep one of the clouds but may go for alt record
[13:30] <earthshine_> nice
[13:30] <rharrison> or even a dawn launch
[13:30] <rharrison> Will make some plans tonight
[13:30] <earthshine_> i'm up for doing some video
[13:31] <rharrison> Cool I'll bring some toys along and lets see what we end up with
[13:31] <earthshine_> I have a 1080P camera too - not as nice as a 5D but it's good quality
[13:31] <earthshine_> plus a Mac + Final Cut Pro
[13:31] <rharrison> I'm hoping to set up a tracking station at ears too
[13:32] <earthshine_> Is it just you launching Rob?
[13:33] <rharrison> No me and daniel richman et al
[13:38] <futurity> those L lenses (waterproof) i think?
[13:38] <futurity> Sound a bit like Yoda there
[13:39] <futurity> Cool
[13:39] <futurity> BTW I'll bring my 12 element Yagi with me
[13:39] <futurity> that will hopefully be up to the job of tracking it a long way from the EARS site
[13:39] <futurity> i don't have any internet connectivity though :(
[13:39] <earthshine_> i have an 11 element yagi - home made - wonky elements - works fine though
[13:39] <earthshine_> i think i was drunk at the time i constructed it
[13:40] <earthshine_> or in the dark
[13:40] <futurity> and this time i've bought a separate car battery jump start thing, which has 17AH
[13:40] <earthshine_> i'll raise you a 110Ah leisure battery :D
[13:40] <futurity> well my Yagi is made by a knowledgeable Radio HAM chap, but its tuned for 450MHz he says
[13:41] <futurity> not sure if that was planned, or it just turned out that way
[13:41] <earthshine_> Mines tuned to exactly 433MHz - I just hand drileld the holes so they weren't all parallel and the elemts are a bit wonky
[13:41] <futurity> lol 110Ah, you've sunk my battleship!
[13:41] <earthshine_> but it doesn't seem to have affected the performance much as it works fine
[13:41] <futurity> Cool
[13:42] <futurity> i think i'll have to redrill holes into this one and then move the elements around slightly
[13:42] <futurity> seems to get me into the Cambridge repeater very nicely, so its better than the whip aerial at least
[13:43] <futurity> rharrison: I overheard you say that you were considering not using the same payload again (the one you last launched). May I ask what happens to payloads after they are retired?
[13:43] <futurity> are they stripped of parts?
[13:44] <futurity> or stored in the rharrrison museum of past launched payloads?
[13:45] <rharrison> stored in the museum
[13:45] <rharrison> I use them for school demos etc
[13:54] <earthshine_> make sure you turn off the pwer saving features on your camera this time ;)
[13:58] <rharrison> earthshine, hehe yep
[14:35] Action: juxta is almost done with moving and such, hurrah
[14:35] <juxta> I'll be able to launch again soon :)
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[14:48] <earthshine_> hurrah!
[14:48] <DanielRichman> rharrison: am at school currently so can't help you with code problems :'(
[14:48] <DanielRichman> no ssh here.
[14:48] <DanielRichman> I think the school's web proxy blockx non p80 traffic
[14:49] <DanielRichman> s/proxy/gateway
[14:49] <Randomskk> so just run ssh on port 80 or 443
[14:50] <DanielRichman> unless rjh wants to start opening ports and restarting his ssh from work...
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[14:50] <Randomskk> the best part is where you ssh to your own server and use that to proxy internet and other sshing
[14:51] <DanielRichman> indeed ;P
[14:51] <DanielRichman> the blocker has relented slightly over the past year
[14:51] <Randomskk> unusual
[14:51] <Randomskk> ime they get stricted
[14:51] <Randomskk> stricter
[14:51] <Randomskk> then again that was my school
[14:51] <DanielRichman> Youtube is back, though there's no fb still
[14:51] <Randomskk> I can't imagine fb will ever get back
[14:51] <Randomskk> youtube can be too useful in lessons to be blocked, at my school
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[16:08] <futurity> back ;)
[16:26] <rharrison> PIng coo
[16:26] <rharrison> opps
[16:26] <rharrison> Cool
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[16:42] <futurity> So Rob, when are you likely to be launching on Sunday? I'd like to help out if i can
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[17:38] <sbasuita> What's the status with dl-fldigi on windows?
[17:43] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I'm just fixing it
[17:44] <DanielRichman> but not before I get something to eat
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[18:14] <LazyLeopard> I must have a look see whether the dl-fldigi CAT/HAB conflict is easily spottable...
[18:14] <LazyLeopard> ...but not this evening.
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[18:43] <sbasuita> natrium42 :D
[18:48] <natrium42> hey sbasuita
[18:48] <natrium42> still on for launch?
[18:48] <sbasuita> natrium42: yep
[18:48] <natrium42> tomorrow or sunday?
[18:48] <sbasuita> natrium42: just proofreading our big fat launch announce mail
[18:48] <sbasuita> natrium42: sunday
[18:49] <natrium42> ah, cool
[18:49] <natrium42> i won't be able to make it :S
[18:49] <natrium42> but good luck!
[18:49] <sbasuita> cheers
[18:49] <natrium42> excited?
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> I also won't be able to make it.
[18:49] <sbasuita> natrium42: nervous
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> And wish you better luck than NASA.
[18:50] <sbasuita> hehe
[18:50] <sbasuita> will you be around to track SpeedEvil ?
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/nasa-space-balloon-goes-bonkers-crushes-car-and-scares-the-beejebers-out-of-scientists-2010-04-30/
[18:50] <natrium42> sbasuita, hehe, i don't think i slept the night before my first launch
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> I'm regrettably out of range - and have no reciever.
[18:50] <natrium42> SpeedEvil, yeah, that was ouch
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> Well - in principle I could do a yagi - but earth is in the way
[18:51] <sbasuita> damn that pesky ball of rock
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> Looks suspiciously like an accident that happened here. :)
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> (though larger)
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> (on the above) Did the chute pop - and that's what caused it?
[18:55] <futurity> sbasuita: Do you know when on Sunday you are launching? I'd like to come along and help if i can
[18:55] <sbasuita> futurity: that would be great! it will be sunday morning
[18:55] <sbasuita> futurity: before noon
[18:55] <futurity> cool
[18:55] <Randomskk> I can't offer any launch help as I can't get to EARS but will be around to track
[18:55] <sbasuita> futurity: once i make final arrangements i'll send out a time
[18:55] <sbasuita> Randomskk: cool
[18:56] <Randomskk> be sure to bring loads of cable ties, a ballast mass that weighs the neck lift from the calculator, etc
[18:56] <Randomskk> have you got helium filling and such down pat?
[18:56] <futurity> looks like Sunday will be very wet under the cloud layer. I take it that Sunday is better above for the ballon itself?
[18:56] <sbasuita> Randomskk: rjh will be assisting us so we should be alright
[18:56] <Randomskk> cool
[18:56] <sbasuita> futurity: yeah sunday is the best day for winds
[18:56] <sbasuita> we'll have to brave the rain
[18:56] <futurity> yep
[18:57] <futurity> James' launch was a horrible day
[18:57] <sbasuita> will the water on the lens freeze then sublime or evaporate before it gets that cold?
[18:57] <futurity> lots of wind and rain. The first lauch when it didn't launch (more of a drag along the ground launch).
[18:57] <futurity> we couldn't hold the balloon still while it was being filled it was so bad
[18:58] <sbasuita> :S
[18:58] <futurity> but rain and no wind should be fine
[18:58] <sbasuita> http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/324
[18:58] <sbasuita> 15mph wind
[18:58] <futurity> hmmmm
[18:59] <futurity> lets hope its not a repeat performance then. Would the wind cause the balloon not to lift? I guess the lift wasn't enough on the day, but could the wind have affected it?
[19:00] <Randomskk> wind is almost entirely perpendicular to lift
[19:00] <Randomskk> so won't affect vertical rate
[19:00] <Randomskk> but will give it significant horizontal, possibly enough to move it so far sideways it gets caught on stuff before it gets high enough
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> 15mph is only 7.5m/s
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> if you're going up at 3m/s - that's 30 degrees climb
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> that's bloody high
[19:02] <Randomskk> not as high as 90 degrees without winds
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> well - no
[19:03] <sbasuita> we're going up at 6.5m/s
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> that's fast
[19:03] <Randomskk> you could go up slower and higher
[19:03] <Randomskk> but I think the issue was getting it to come down over land
[19:03] <sbasuita> yep
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[19:04] <sbasuita> still gives us 85 mins till burst though
[19:04] <sbasuita> plenty of time for pictures
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> Lowish burst?
[19:06] <sbasuita> SpeedEvil: 33km according to the calc
[19:06] <futurity> sbasuita: Are you looking to launch from EARS now or still from CUSF
[19:06] <sbasuita> futurity: EARS
[19:08] <futurity> cool, everyone at the same place :)
[19:10] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, rjh said he'd switch to 434.650
[19:10] <DanielRichman> i t hink
[19:10] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, so no need to stagger.
[19:10] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: you just read the logs? i think he said he'd sorted helium and notam from steve?
[19:11] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, need to make explicitly sure or ask steve directly
[19:12] <sbasuita> ;O it's tipping it down
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[19:18] <chembrow> what times the launch planned for tomorow?
[19:19] <sbasuita> chembrow: launch is on sunday before noon
[19:19] <sbasuita> chembrow: will be sending out full details on the lists shortly
[19:19] <chembrow> sbasuita thanks. gives me time to bash together a yagi, see if I can pick anything up from up north
[19:20] <sbasuita> awesome
[19:20] <chembrow> my ar8000 arrived yesterday, perfect timing :)
[19:21] <chembrow> have to see if I made a mistake not holding you for a yaesu ...
[19:31] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: ok i'm done with the email
[19:31] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: i'll get alex to add his recipients
[19:32] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, do not send it yet
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[20:21] <rjharrison> AlexBreton, sbasuita, DanielRichman http://www.robertharrison.org/icarus/wordpress/28/launch-check-list/
[20:21] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: thx
[20:22] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: have you tested the payload yet?
[20:22] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, a certain radio has no charge
[20:22] <sbasuita> oh lol
[20:22] <Randomskk> better charge that
[20:22] <Randomskk> ft817 will run off mains too though?
[20:23] <DanielRichman> we have a 12V pwersupply and about 4 different cables
[20:23] <Randomskk> rjharrison: no "cameras not in power saving mode" on your final checks?
[20:23] <DanielRichman> I don't want to trial and error with someone elses radio; al so ft817 has USE 13.8V written on the back
[20:23] <Randomskk> it is fine with 12V
[20:23] <Randomskk> promise
[20:23] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: charge that sucker up :P
[20:23] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, call Mike and confirm
[20:24] <DanielRichman> since he also offered a 817 charger that he forgot to pack
[20:24] <Randomskk> you'll get less tx power at 12v than 13.8v
[20:24] <Randomskk> 13.8 is lead acid nominal
[20:25] <DanielRichman> also manual says USE ONLY A 13.8V power supply in a nasty LOOK AT ME box
[20:25] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: mike is on voicemail
[20:25] <Randomskk> it means as opposed to higher or AC voltages
[20:25] <DanielRichman> promise?
[20:25] <Randomskk> consider that a lead acid battery will run down to 12V during use
[20:25] <DanielRichman> true
[20:26] <Randomskk> promise it works
[20:26] <Randomskk> you can google "ft817 12V" for a lot of anecdotal evidence too
[20:27] <DanielRichman> are there any visual cues to suggest that it is succesfully charging that I should look for?
[20:27] <Randomskk> ugh, what does it do. it does indicate somehow fairly obviously
[20:28] <Randomskk> btw the manual says 13.8V +- 15%
[20:28] <Randomskk> anyway
[20:28] <Randomskk> while off and charging
[20:28] <Randomskk> the screen will say
[20:28] <Randomskk> CHG TIME RMN
[20:28] <Randomskk> and give a time
[20:28] <sbasuita> um DanielRichman AlexBreton we haven't considered how we're going to connect the payload to the chute
[20:29] <Randomskk> see pg11 of the manual
[20:29] <sbasuita> we've got nylon right?
[20:29] <Randomskk> sbasuita: you knot it to your main bit of string
[20:29] <sbasuita> Randomskk: right but there are no anchors ont he payload box
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> 10.8V or so - end of discharge volts
[20:29] <Randomskk> it doesn't connect to the payload
[20:29] <Randomskk> unless you mean payload to string
[20:29] <Randomskk> in which case you will need something
[20:29] <sbasuita> payload to stirng
[20:29] <Randomskk> oopsie
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[20:29] <Randomskk> you want something fairly decent there, it might jerk a bit
[20:30] <Randomskk> also suck for that to break
[20:30] <sbasuita> :S
[20:30] <Randomskk> what's the payload box made of
[20:30] <sbasuita> polystyrene
[20:31] <Randomskk> any good at knots?
[20:31] <sbasuita> you'd have to ask DanielRichman
[20:32] <DanielRichman> i kan tye a bowlin
[20:32] <DanielRichman> after two tries
[20:32] <Randomskk> okay so probably just relying on knots isn't the best idea
[20:33] <Randomskk> nothing you can anchor string to?
[20:33] <Randomskk> no internal framework of some kind?
[20:33] <Randomskk> just melt holes through and loop wires in
[20:33] <Randomskk> or poke holes, whatever
[20:33] <sbasuita> what about wrap it like ribbon on a parcel
[20:33] <Randomskk> if you can knot it well.. I'd go for holes
[20:34] <sbasuita> could secure it with ties and holes as well
[20:34] <sbasuita> also it will be raining
[20:34] <Randomskk> always helps
[20:34] <Randomskk> bring umbrellas, raincoats, tarps
[20:35] <Randomskk> radio kit isn't bestest friends with rain
[20:35] <Randomskk> probably keep that in the car
[20:35] <DanielRichman> When I plugged in power it auto switched on fully and started receiving rtty; pushed power button and now it's totally quiet
[20:35] <Randomskk> payload box waterproof when shut?
[20:35] <sbasuita> Randomskk: dunno
[20:35] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: sounds good?
[20:35] <Randomskk> unless you mean "and won't turn on again"
[20:35] <sbasuita> Randomskk: we'll probably cover it in duct tape
[20:35] <DanielRichman> no it turns on fine
[20:35] <DanielRichman> just no charge time
[20:35] <Randomskk> sbasuita: definitely get all the seams with duct tape
[20:36] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: you need to do what it says in the manual
[20:36] <Randomskk> uh
[20:36] <Randomskk> F
[20:36] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: i guess its up to you to sort out the nylon
[20:36] <Randomskk> then CRG VLT ???
[20:36] <Randomskk> then SEL
[20:36] <Randomskk> then CRG
[20:36] <Randomskk> or something
[20:36] <Randomskk> then turn it off
[20:36] <Randomskk> here
[20:36] <Randomskk> connect power
[20:36] <Randomskk> turn on
[20:36] <Randomskk> press F
[20:36] <Randomskk> rotate SEL so it says [CHG,VLT,DSP]
[20:36] <Randomskk> press A
[20:36] <Randomskk> turn off
[20:36] <Randomskk> LED should glow orange
[20:38] <DanielRichman> success!
[20:38] <DanielRichman> thank you Randomskk
[20:38] <Randomskk> no problem
[20:38] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I'mma charging my lazers
[20:38] <Randomskk> do you guys have internet at the launch site?
[20:38] <sbasuita> DanielRichman has 3g dongles?
[20:38] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, correct.
[20:39] <Randomskk> good good
[20:39] Action: DanielRichman goes and steals them from the office
[20:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, create a launch checklist wave and put that on there
[20:40] <Randomskk> if you can't get on IRC you can use the ft to hit up the local repeater before launch
[20:40] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: done
[20:40] <Randomskk> be sure to bring along its frequency and input frequency
[20:40] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, start adding other stuff. You want lists of stuff that needs to be done on site and stuff that specifically needs to be remembered
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[20:42] <sbasuita> what about the rope<->payload :S:S:S
[20:42] <sbasuita> DanielRichman:
[20:42] <DanielRichman> what?
[20:43] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: what's the plan
[20:43] <DanielRichman> what plan
[20:44] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: for how to attach it
[20:44] <DanielRichman> um ask rjharrison
[20:44] <DanielRichman> (he's afk)
[20:44] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: is the box strong enough to drill holes and put the rope through?
[20:44] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, we got some free rope, remember :)
[20:44] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, drill holes? we could try, I guess
[20:45] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: right but if it messes up the structural integrity that would be a disaster
[20:45] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, how many holes & where? I like rjh's way of four holes; two top and bottom, threading through to cradle the whole box
[20:45] <DanielRichman> actually no he doesn't drill holes
[20:45] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, how about a slot in the side
[20:45] <DanielRichman> *bbottom
[20:45] <DanielRichman> then wrap rope around, duct tape and glue gun secure
[20:45] <DanielRichman> OH! Add that to the list: glue gun.
[20:46] <DanielRichman> (& glue)
[20:46] <Randomskk> got power for a glue gun?
[20:46] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: need to sort out the rope on saturday
[20:46] <rjharrison> Hey I don't put holes in the payload Just tie underneath and then hold in place with tape
[20:46] <rjharrison> Are pics requires
[20:46] <DanielRichman> ^^
[20:46] <DanielRichman> have seen them rjh it's ok
[20:46] <rjharrison> s/s/ed
[20:46] <sbasuita> where are pics?
[20:47] <DanielRichman> also rjharrison we were wondering if we should talk directly with Rocketboy about launching with EARS or do you know that our launching would be ok?
[20:47] <rjharrison> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/3572701712/in/set-72157618814637849/
[20:48] <rjharrison> this one and the next one
[20:48] <rjharrison> DanielRichman I have spoken with steve and all is in place
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[20:49] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, excellent!
[20:49] <DanielRichman> thank you
[20:49] <sbasuita> rjharrison's rope system looks great
[20:49] <rjharrison> Tried and tested what more can you ask for
[20:49] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: so tonight or tomorrow could you cover everything in duct tape etc and attach the rope
[20:49] <sbasuita> ?
[20:49] <sbasuita> want to minimise work at the launch site given the conditions
[20:50] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, can we meet up tomorrow?
[20:50] <DanielRichman> actually discuss on other #
[20:50] <rjharrison> Yep ypu want to have everything as compete as possible
[20:50] <rjharrison> The launch site is not a place for fixes
[20:50] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, we cannot cover in duct tape until we are ready to launch
[20:50] <DanielRichman> because um... we haev to switch it on/off
[20:51] <sbasuita> DanielRichman: i dunno man i'm chained to my desk reivising tomorrow
[20:51] <Randomskk> and also because other things will happen that you don't anticipate
[20:51] <Randomskk> don't duct tape until you're about to fill balloon and radio is working and cameras are rolling etc
[20:51] <Randomskk> sbasuita: what are you revising?
[20:51] <DanielRichman> whatever it is, it isn't necessary
[20:51] <sbasuita> lol
[20:51] <Randomskk> ^ that man
[20:51] <rjharrison> You want to get payload 99% complete
[20:51] <Randomskk> yea
[20:51] <Randomskk> all ready to just press on
[20:52] <rjharrison> I just tape the lid on at the end
[20:52] <sbasuita> nah really i can't meet up tomorrow sorry
[20:53] <DanielRichman> ok don't worry
[20:53] <DanielRichman> out of curiosity though, what is the revision schedule?
[20:54] <DanielRichman> (mingw dl-fldigi question): Are you meant to be able to mix gcc and g++ ?
[20:54] <Randomskk> not really
[20:54] <Randomskk> they are different
[20:54] <rjharrison> gcc 4 c
[20:54] <rjharrison> and g++ 4 cpp
[20:55] <Randomskk> exactly
[20:55] <rjharrison> It screws onlinking
[20:55] <DanielRichman> no but say you have a library in c
[20:55] <rjharrison> make is fine :)
[20:55] <DanielRichman> and a program in cxx/cpp
[20:55] <DanielRichman> (hint: dl-fldigi)
[20:55] <rjharrison> then gcc the c
[20:55] <DanielRichman> and you want to statically link
[20:55] <rjharrison> and g++ the cpp
[20:56] <DanielRichman> and then do what to link
[20:56] <rjharrison> prey I'm not sure there sir out of my depth
[20:56] <rjharrison> I just notice fldigi using gcc and g++
[20:57] <rjharrison> just having a recomile ATM
[20:57] <DanielRichman> yeah I saw that too
[20:57] <DanielRichman> but for example if I compile flock.c with gcc
[20:57] <DanielRichman> oh wait
[20:57] <DanielRichman> I know!
[20:57] <DanielRichman> I'm missing the extern "C" { in the .h file
[20:58] <rjharrison> DanielRichman ok it's all yours
[20:58] <rjharrison> I got theljpeg error
[20:58] <DanielRichman> :(
[20:59] <DanielRichman> I'm going to start looking at it in a sec
[20:59] <DanielRichman> s/start/resume
[20:59] <rjharrison> just done the make -j2 -l LIBJPEG_LOCATOR_FLAGS=-L/usr/local/src/win32/jpeg-8a/.libs/
[20:59] <rjharrison> And your right it's happier
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[21:00] <sbasuita> ok sending out this announce mail
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[21:01] <rjharrison> DanielRichman I'll leave the compiling alone now
[21:01] <rjharrison> If you would like to play
[21:01] <rjharrison> w must be so close
[21:03] <DanielRichman> FT817 claims ~8hrs charge time; this is normal?
[21:03] <Randomskk> yes
[21:03] <DanielRichman> (looks normal from google)
[21:04] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, so if you're on .650 are we going to simultaneously launch? I think a HAB race sounds like fun
[21:04] <AlexBreton> guys, cambridge area will be fairly cloudy on sunday
[21:04] <AlexBreton> is it worth bringing a superlong lens to photograph the balloon in flight from the ground?
[21:05] <sbasuita> maybe simultaneous launch isn't quite such a good idea
[21:05] <sbasuita> want everybody focused on a landing balloon
[21:05] <sbasuita> so maybe 30 min stagger?
[21:05] <DanielRichman> yeah then both chase cars can help each other
[21:05] <sbasuita> it's all about those last few packets
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[21:13] <sbasuita> http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas/browse_thread/thread/536e2afd4bb1c9c9
[21:15] <Laurenceb> awesome good luck
[21:16] <sbasuita> thanks
[21:16] <rjharrison> DanielRichman, sbasuita, AlexBreton rocketboy will be bringing some helium too
[21:16] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: excellent
[21:17] <rjharrison> Basically you can empty my tank and move on to his
[21:17] <rjharrison> I may launch at 4am depending on wx
[21:17] <rjharrison> ie I'll be back at camp before you
[21:20] <AlexBreton> ok
[21:21] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: you ought to get a bit less cloud
[21:21] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: let me check the map
[21:21] <DanielRichman> 4am :O
[21:21] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: sorry, more at 00UTC - ECMWF says high, medium and low cloud
[21:22] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: basically a big blanket
[21:23] <sbasuita> http://southgatearc.org/news/april2010/reading_balloon_launch.htm
[21:23] <sbasuita> ;O
[21:23] <sbasuita> who are these people anyway
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> nutters.
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> Clearly only wierdos would do that at weekends.
[21:24] <sbasuita> hahaha AlexBreton you banter machine http://worldphotographyforum.com/showthread.php?t=5713
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> All right-thinking teenagers should be getting off-their-faces on cider, and having indiscriminate sex.
[21:25] <sbasuita> ;P
[21:25] <AlexBreton> SpeedEvil: remember to use strong cider and a split condom
[21:27] <rjharrison> BTW guys what school do you go to I used to go to henley college and reading was my stomping ground for a whil
[21:28] <rjharrison> In the days of washington heights and the purple turtle
[21:28] <sbasuita> i contacted southgatearc with the new email link
[21:28] <sbasuita> rjharrison: Reading School
[21:28] <rjharrison> you have the oracle now
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[21:30] <rjharrison> DanielRichman is it only us who is using libjpg
[21:30] <rjharrison> fsphils code?
[21:31] <rjharrison> is is it in fldigi too
[21:33] <DanielRichman> it is in fltk
[21:33] <DanielRichman> but that has an ugly hack: the libjpeg code is embedded in the fltk tarball
[21:33] <DanielRichman> it then tests if gcc -ljpeg works
[21:33] <DanielRichman> (not even bothering to respect the command line --build or --host flags)
[21:33] <DanielRichman> to see if it will use a statically linked copy or rely on the library
[21:33] <rjharrison> but surely we can do the same
[21:33] <rjharrison> ?
[21:34] <rjharrison> I'm thinking ugly hack = windo$E version
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[21:45] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: reckon it's worth doing long-lens photography of the balloon ascending from the ground?
[21:45] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: possibility of photographing it as it descends?
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[21:45] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: white balloon against grey sky?
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> another pic of the burst would be fun
[21:49] <AlexBreton> SpeedEvil: sbasuita yeah too much cloud probably
[21:49] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: looks like AMSAT are in on us
[21:50] <sbasuita> AlexBreton: oh?
[21:50] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: check yo mailz
[21:51] <sbasuita> I will put the announcement in the national Daily Amateur Radio news which will go out tomorrow.
[21:51] <sbasuita> I've already let the AMSAT-UK committee know about it and they were most interested.
[21:51] <sbasuita> awesome
[21:51] <sbasuita> although now i'm really bricking it
[21:51] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: control the use of the word awesome
[21:51] <sbasuita> let's not mess this up ;P
[21:53] <rjharrison> hehe you'll will be doing well to catch it on the way down
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[21:55] <Randomskk> if you run the predictor after burst you can usually get some very good results
[21:56] <Randomskk> but it's still a tiny thing in the sky for most of the time, so even when it's really close seeing it is hard
[21:56] <Randomskk> if you get a bearing from fldigi that makes life easier
[21:57] <AlexBreton> rjharrison: Randomskk I can get a really long lens (400mm) is it worth lugging around in this rubbishy weather?
[21:59] <Randomskk> no
[22:00] <Randomskk> tiny balloon is still tiny even through 400mm
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[22:00] <Randomskk> actually, you know what, I say that, but a decent modern dSLR which presumably your 400mm attaches to could still resolve it
[22:00] <Randomskk> bring it along in a bag and if you do end up in a situation where you are near the landing spot, go for it
[22:01] <Randomskk> the predictor can be really accurate on descent
[22:01] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, btw my ics from Maxim arrived (free samples woooo) so I need that NiM2 now
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> It looked like the payload could _just_ be seen on the enhancement
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> What colour was the chute?
[22:02] <Randomskk> when the payload is covered in foil it glitters and sparkles in the sunlight too
[22:04] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: you don't *need* a NiM2
[22:04] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, I'd like pretty please
[22:04] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: I use film
[22:04] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: OK, after ALIEN-1
[22:04] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, you did email radiometrix?
[22:05] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: I'm just not sure about lighting, and also will have to be high iso so loads of ugly grain
[22:05] <Randomskk> okay, so take what I said about modern dSLRs and replace it with modern cameras
[22:05] <Randomskk> also film is awesome, what camera do you use?
[22:05] <Randomskk> lighting? at mid afternoon, in late spring? how slow a lens are we talking about here?
[22:05] <Randomskk> surely f/5.6 at least?
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> it's almost irrelevant
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> it's sunlit
[22:06] <Randomskk> yea
[22:06] <Randomskk> there's loads of light
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> if the lens can resolve it, it will be bright enough
[22:06] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: Olympus OM-1
[22:06] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: got a vivitar 400mm f5.6
[22:06] <Randomskk> how fun
[22:07] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: it;s a mediocre lens, needs to be stopped down to f/8 for acceptable sharpness
[22:07] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: which means 400 ISO film
[22:07] <Randomskk> even at f/8 I really wouldn't be concerned
[22:07] <Randomskk> eh
[22:07] <Randomskk> I bet you'd get away with 200
[22:07] <Randomskk> it's pointing at the sky
[22:07] <AlexBreton> Randomskk I guess if I have a tripod it's OK
[22:07] <Randomskk> get away with 100 tbh
[22:07] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: shutter needs to be fast
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> I've gotten surprisingly good pics though binoculars
[22:07] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: lighting won't look good - probably it will be cloudy
[22:08] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: I guess it's worth a shout
[22:08] <Randomskk> it's nevertheless the sky
[22:08] <Randomskk> bring along iso400 then, I imagine it'l be bright enough but whether you can see it is another issue
[22:08] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: can always stop right down to f/32
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[22:09] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: and 1/1000 shutter speed
[22:09] <Randomskk> yea
[22:09] <Randomskk> 400 shouldn't be that noisy on film?
[22:09] <Randomskk> I've only ever shot 200 for film tbh
[22:09] <Randomskk> well, recently
[22:10] <Randomskk> but that was also just totally eyeballing the exposure since I lacked a light meter
[22:10] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: it will be a little noisy, yes
[22:10] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: I guess 200 could be OK
[22:11] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: what camera do you use for film?
[22:11] <Randomskk> an agfa standard :p
[22:11] <Randomskk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/sets/72157619006049503/
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[22:12] <Randomskk> it takes 120 roll film and you get about five exposures per roll
[22:12] <Randomskk> I develop it at home
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[22:12] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: wow! I have a Zeiss Ikon Nettar like that
[22:12] <Randomskk> entirely mechanical, it's lots of fun
[22:13] <Randomskk> oh nice
[22:13] <Randomskk> haha it looks very similar
[22:13] <Randomskk> awesome
[22:13] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x250/Alex1961/IMG_3764.jpg
[22:13] <Randomskk> good stuff
[22:13] <Randomskk> does it all work?
[22:13] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: mostly 35mm though on the OM-system
[22:13] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: ya the Zeiss is good as new
[22:13] <Randomskk> yea fair enough
[22:14] <Randomskk> I have an old eos 35mm that I want to play with soon
[22:14] <AlexBreton> Randomskk this is a recurring theme - so do I
[22:14] <Randomskk> the lubricant in the focusing system on my agfa turns into glue on the 80 year timescale
[22:14] <Randomskk> so its focus is locked at infinity
[22:14] <DanielRichman> hmm blog traffic has significantly increased
[22:14] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: shame - I was surprised to have this given to me in perfect nick after lying in a shoebox for 50 years. Nothing to go wrong
[22:14] <Randomskk> nice
[22:14] <Randomskk> I acquired mine in a similar fashion
[22:15] <Randomskk> managed to scrape up some 120 film from ebay along with dev kit
[22:15] <Randomskk> but all the kit's good for 35mm too
[22:15] <Randomskk> the EOS would need batteries though :( also all my fancy pants lenses are EF-S, all I have that'd work for EF is a 28 and a 50 prime
[22:17] <Randomskk> and my flash doesn't do A-TTL though I do have a very very old speedlite that does (though it doesn't do E-TTL so won't work on my dSLR)
[22:17] <Randomskk> but I don't really do much film usually
[22:17] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: I prefer the 70s manual SLRs
[22:18] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: Nikon F, Olympus OM can be had very cheaply and great systems
[22:18] <Randomskk> quite tempted for this summer
[22:18] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: I got camera and 3 lenses for 200 quid
[22:18] <Randomskk> want to do some more nice photography rather than just macro of electronics
[22:18] <Randomskk> though may end up doing it mostly digital, not sure yet
[22:18] <Randomskk> nice
[22:19] <Randomskk> I think I'd live with an auto but film slr, but manual would be more fun
[22:19] <Randomskk> really I just need more practise at taking good photographs before I get too worried about the medium I Think
[22:19] <Randomskk> s/Think/think
[22:19] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: Om-1 is all manual, mechanical with lightmeter, OM-2 has aperture priority
[22:19] <Randomskk> and presumably having ap means it's also got electronics?
[22:22] <AlexBreton> ya
[22:22] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: OM-1 works without a battery
[22:22] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: truly mechanical camera
[22:23] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: still with lightmeter obv
[22:23] <Randomskk> fun
[22:23] <Randomskk> man, I can't remember what the EOS I have back home is
[22:24] <Randomskk> might be a 50
[22:24] <Randomskk> no, can't be, was A-TTL
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[22:24] <AlexBreton> Randomskk: I have the 30
[22:24] <rjharrison> Anyone like to calculate dawn rising at 35k on the sunday morning?
[22:24] <rjharrison> Hey jcoxon
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> lat/lon?
[22:24] <jcoxon> hello
[22:24] <sbasuita> yo jcoxon
[22:24] <rjharrison> ears ish
[22:24] <jcoxon> just popping in
[22:24] <jcoxon> looks like everything is pushing forward
[22:24] <Randomskk> don't think it's the 30
[22:24] <rjharrison> 2 launches this w/e
[22:24] <Randomskk> hi jcoxon
[22:25] <sbasuita> haven't seen you around for a while jcoxon
[22:26] <jcoxon> revising - finals in 2 weeks
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> 50n, 0e, 35000m?
[22:26] <rjharrison> SpeedEvil yep that's about it
[22:26] <sbasuita> ah right
[22:26] <rjharrison> let me check
[22:26] <rjharrison> EARS 52.2511, -0.0927
[22:26] <sbasuita> jcoxon: so any chance of seeing you at ears for our sunday launch?
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> argh - orrery doesn't do height input
[22:27] <sbasuita> "Today we are excited to announce that Twitter for Android is available in Android Market!"
[22:27] <jcoxon> sbasuita, gosh no - am down in salisbury
[22:27] <sbasuita> just in time for sunday :)
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> oops - afk
[22:28] <sbasuita> "The Twitter for Android app is available for phones running Android 2.1 and above"
[22:28] <sbasuita> GAH D:
[22:28] <Randomskk> booo hiss
[22:28] <Randomskk> I wish htc would bloody hurry up and release the 2.1 upgrade for my hero
[22:29] <Randomskk> so annoying
[22:29] <Randomskk> can I even just flash a stock android image on it? rather than sense UI? I don't know
[22:29] <Randomskk> but senseui is nice, just grr update it already
[22:32] <rjharrison> jcoxon, just proght a new camera today
[22:32] <rjharrison> brought
[22:32] <sbasuita> bought*
[22:32] <sbasuita> ;P
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[22:33] <rjharrison> Thanks sbasuita
[22:34] <rjharrison> I think I was in bridgetown when I was learning spelling
[22:34] <rjharrison> Rolling stone etc ...
[22:35] <rjharrison> I got through 13 schools up to may alevels
[22:35] <rjharrison> my
[22:36] <sbasuita> wow
[22:39] <rjharrison> ZAMBIA Some School
[22:39] <rjharrison> DUBAI Infants, Dubai English Speaking School
[22:39] <jcoxon> and look how you've turned out :-p
[22:40] <rjharrison> BARBADOS, Some school in Bridgetown
[22:40] <rjharrison> ENGLAND Some Junior School
[22:40] <rjharrison> DUBAI Jebel Ali Primary School, Dubai College
[22:41] <rjharrison> CYPRUS some school in ayia napper
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[22:41] <rjharrison> ST BEDES school sussex
[22:41] <rjharrison> Piggot School Wargrave
[22:42] <jcoxon> hehe rob we don't need all the schools!
[22:42] <rjharrison> I'm just getting my stats up for next year :)
[22:43] <rjharrison> http://ukhas.org.uk/ukhas:irc_channel hehe 2009 is mising
[22:44] <rjharrison> ping natrium42
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[22:52] <G1MHU> Hi
[22:52] <jcoxon> rjharrison, would be worth getting natrium42 to reduce the timelimit on the tracker for the green/red station icons
[22:52] <jcoxon> hi G1MHU
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[22:53] <rjharrison> Yep
[22:53] <rjharrison> Randomskk will you be tracking
[22:54] <jcoxon> Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, wiki.ukhas.org.uk, Icarus II and ALIEN-1 Launches 2/5/10 ~09:00 UTC, follow on http://spacenear.us/tracker
[22:54] <jcoxon> oops
[22:54] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!jcoxon@92.40.222.117.sub.mbb.three.co.uk: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, wiki.ukhas.org.uk, Icarus II and ALIEN-1 Launches 2/5/10 ~09:00 UTC, follow on http://spacenear.us/tracker
[22:54] <G1MHU> we have 2*21 element beams with elevation n,wakefield.. will see if we can get anyone interested in tracking
[22:54] <jcoxon> thats better
[22:54] <Randomskk> rjharrison: should be able to
[22:54] <Randomskk> G1MHU: !!!
[22:54] <jcoxon> G1MHU, sounds like a good setup
[22:54] <Randomskk> it does rather
[22:54] <jcoxon> just need to get a copy of dl-fldigi setup to pass on the recevied telemetry
[22:55] <Randomskk> rjharrison: I'm around that a.m. and have my radio but may only be able to run it on battery and will probably not be able to position for best signal, however should be able to track for a good amount of time
[22:55] <rjharrison> G1MHU are you on radio atm
[22:55] <G1MHU> we set it up to chat to Arecibo a few weeknds ago.. we made it.. EME
[22:55] <fsphil> that'll definitely pick up the signal
[22:55] <G1MHU> I can go to Radio Robert.
[22:56] <rjharrison> freq
[22:56] <rjharrison> ?
[22:56] <Randomskk> G1MHU: admittedly arecibo has a slightly larger tx power than the balloon, but nevertheless
[22:56] <rjharrison> YW?
[22:56] Action: fsphil was in the attic, soldering a PL-259 connection. bloody big spider decides to join me ... ugh!!!
[22:56] <G1MHU> will do yw in a min
[22:56] <Randomskk> fsphil: D:
[22:56] <rjharrison> Robin I'm on freq
[22:57] <sbasuita> fsphil: i trust you gave it hell with the soldering iron
[22:57] <rjharrison> fsphil does it smell of buring in the attic now and one less spider
[22:57] <rjharrison> lol
[22:58] <fsphil> lol
[22:58] <fsphil> I was sitting with the iron in hand, daring it to come back out
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[23:02] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, sbasuita AlexBreton , this might sound stupid but do you actually have an XML file for dl-fldig?
[23:02] <sbasuita> jcoxon: i'm not aware of one
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[23:02] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, nope; I can cook one up
[23:02] <DanielRichman> if you want
[23:02] <alexbreton_> back in the hotseat
[23:02] <sbasuita> alexbreton_: oh?
[23:02] <jcoxon> it would probably help considering that you won't be able to track without it...
[23:02] <sbasuita> ;P
[23:03] <alexbreton_> Randomskk: OK, need to buy film for Sunday then. Asda is my best bed
[23:03] <G1MHU> Arecebo was running 400W , we were running 350W.. apx 200W to the feed 19dB antenna gain, 22dB pre-amp .9dB NF
[23:03] <alexbreton_> bet*
[23:04] <Randomskk> nice
[23:04] <fsphil> G1MHU, I tried to see if I could heard anything but didn't get anything.
[23:05] <G1MHU> we heard all of the SSB and voice transmissions from them
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[23:06] <fsphil> you're first eme?
[23:06] <G1MHU> Robert.. Gandy is on of ours. :)
[23:06] Action: Gandalf prods Robin
[23:06] <Gandalf> Who are all these people?
[23:07] Action: fsphil is fsphil, pleased to meet you
[23:08] <rjharrison> Hi Gandalf
[23:08] <rjharrison> G1MHU said you might be up for tracking on sunday
[23:08] <Gandalf> Hiya
[23:09] <Gandalf> depends on the time really
[23:09] <Gandalf> I have to be in the office at some point
[23:09] <rjharrison> Chris if you want to email me your mobile I'll give a call when we get up in the air
[23:09] <Gandalf> mm but would need to get stuff set up etc first
[23:09] <Gandalf> where are you launching from?
[23:10] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, http://pastebin.com/6caSv04S as alien1.xml; though I don't know if it works. I will be running extensive payload tests tomorrow so can check then
[23:10] <rjharrison> Cambridge
[23:10] <Gandalf> ok
[23:11] <fsphil> what's the expected launch time? I've got a new vertical here, will try listening with that
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[23:12] <Gandalf> ok robert
[23:12] <Gandalf> will want to talk so can get the club station set up will probably do taht Sat
[23:12] <rjharrison> 9.00 UTC
[23:12] <rjharrison> Gandalf ok cool
[23:13] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[23:13] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, will need some adjustment
[23:13] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, Oh? I tried to base it off icarus.xml; where's the problem?
[23:13] <Gandalf> you have mail robert
[23:14] <jcoxon> not sure all those dbfields are valid
[23:14] <jcoxon> unless rob has added a load recently
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[23:15] <rjharrison> Chris see pm
[23:16] <Gandalf> have done yes
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[23:38] <russss> got my Ft-817ND :)
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[23:39] <fsphil> sweet
[23:39] <jcoxon> russss, antenna?
[23:39] <fsphil> for some reason I'm getting radio 5-live on my ft-817
[23:39] <russss> jcoxon: I have enough RG-213 to reach my roof, plus appropriate connectors
[23:40] <DanielRichman> hmm I almost woke up the entire house with the ft 817 we borrowed just then
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[23:40] <sbasuita> nite guys
[23:40] <jcoxon> russss, yay
[23:40] <russss> so I'm going to go to the hackspace tomorrow and throw together some kind of antenna
[23:40] <russss> might just be a hasty omni
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[23:41] <natrium> nite sbasuita
[23:41] <jcoxon> coathanger moxon!
[23:41] <russss> also got enough stuff to put together a 7MHz quarter-wave dipole
[23:41] <natrium> coxon moxon
[23:41] <russss> heh
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[23:42] <jcoxon> natrium, who would believe it - sbasuita and DanielRichman are actually launching!
[23:42] <natrium> yeah, is hell freezing over or what? :D
[23:42] <fsphil> lol
[23:42] <russss> I have an SO259 connector, I guess I could make a moxon out of that
[23:43] <jcoxon> natrium, any chance you could shift spacenear.us back to the normal timelimit for green/red receiver icons?
[23:43] <jcoxon> as we are now in a sensible timezone
[23:43] <natrium> ah, sure
[23:43] <jcoxon> actually make it 2hrs to cope with BST/UTC issues
[23:43] <jcoxon> thanks!
[23:43] <russss> I was listening to busses on the FT-817 on the pub. It's a lot more sensitive than my ultra-cheap 2m handhelds from hong kong.
[23:44] <natrium> well, i just show either http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php or http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/active_rx.php
[23:44] <fsphil> it's a brilliant wee radio
[23:44] <jcoxon> natrium, oh right
[23:44] <jcoxon> okay
[23:44] <jcoxon> go back to active then
[23:44] <russss> now I just need a license to transmit ;)
[23:44] <natrium> yep, just did
[23:45] <natrium> should do something smarter eventually
[23:45] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:45] <jcoxon> you'll need to be forced to do that by an upcoming launch
[23:45] Action: jcoxon thinks that natrium only works if there is a time pressure
[23:45] <natrium> lol
[23:45] <natrium> yeah, pretty much
[23:45] <natrium> so what's the callsign gonna bee?
[23:46] <natrium> for predictions
[23:46] <jcoxon> icarus and a1
[23:46] Action: natrium replaces his 320GB MBP hard drive with a 1TB one
[23:46] <natrium> double launch or two transmitters?
[23:47] <jcoxon> double launch
[23:47] <natrium> \o/
[23:47] <natrium> unfortunately i will be away :'(
[23:47] <jcoxon> noooooos
[23:47] <jcoxon> after all that teasing and you miss it
[23:47] <natrium> oh, actually i can teach you to grab weather data
[23:48] <jcoxon> uhuh
[23:49] <natrium> i'll just shoot off an email for future ref :)
[23:49] <jcoxon> please do
[23:49] <jcoxon> my memory isn't great anyway
[23:49] <jcoxon> thank goodness for googlemail's search
[23:51] <natrium> ok, sent
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[23:51] <natrium> you can try it now if you want
[23:51] Action: natrium disassembles laptop
[23:51] <jcoxon> natrium, hehe - i know how to use get_wind.py
[23:52] <natrium> oh
[23:52] <natrium> that's excellent then :)
[23:52] <jcoxon> i use it for my super cusf/hysplit combo predictor
[23:52] <jcoxon> for floaters
[23:52] <natrium> :)
[23:52] <natrium> that's all there is to it
[23:52] <jcoxon> cool cool
[23:52] <jcoxon> will do that sun am then
[23:53] <jcoxon> sleep time
[23:53] <jcoxon> night
[23:53] <natrium> nite
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[23:58] <rjharrison> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfO7lXM9_hU&feature=player_embedded
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