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[04:34] <juxta> all in all a sucessful launch from our balloon launching center in alice springs today
[04:34] <juxta> http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/04/29/2885724.htm
[04:36] <notrium> ouch
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[06:22] <earthshine> double ouch
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[14:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:16] <juxta|console> hey Lunar_Lander
[14:16] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[14:16] <Lunar_Lander> did you hear of the HAB accident in Australia?
[14:16] <juxta|console> I sure did
[14:17] <Lunar_Lander> what's your opinion?
[14:17] <juxta|console> there's a video on the ABC website if you haven't seen it yet, Lunar_Lander
[14:17] <Lunar_Lander> I just saw it
[14:17] <Lunar_Lander> seems like lack of lift and a sidewind
[14:18] <juxta|console> not sure, loooks like it was too windy to launch, but it's not exactly my call ;p
[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:18] <juxta|console> there have been a few launches from the alice springs airport recently
[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> that is true
[14:18] <juxta|console> I considered making the trip up to watch and meet the people
[14:19] <juxta|console> but it's about 14h drive, or an expensive rural flight
[14:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:20] <Lunar_Lander> IIRC Alice Springs would also have been the site of the RE/MAX Global baloon
[14:20] <Lunar_Lander> *balloon
[14:22] <juxta|console> yup
[14:22] <Lunar_Lander> sad that it didn't happen
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[15:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi jasonb
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[15:57] <AlexBreton> new blog post]
[15:57] <AlexBreton> alienproject.wordpress.com
[15:57] <AlexBreton> http://alienproject.wordpress.com
[15:58] <Randomskk> chrome? :P
[15:59] <Randomskk> sunday at 1000 eh?
[15:59] <Randomskk> I can probably help track but can't really get up to EARS
[15:59] <Randomskk> hopefully you can launch alien2 from churchill :P
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[16:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/29/2885563.htm?section=justin oops
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[18:22] <sbasuita> got an 817 :)
[18:22] <Randomskk> hurrah!
[18:22] <Randomskk> on loan from that dude?
[18:22] <Randomskk> still go for sunday?
[18:23] <sbasuita> Randomskk: yeah we're still gogogo
[18:23] <sbasuita> Randomskk: from a guy at barc
[18:24] <sbasuita> predictions looking very nice now
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[18:38] <natrium42> sbasuita, \o/
[18:38] <natrium42> sbasuita, sorry i doubted you :D
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[18:55] Action: LazyLeopard has modified his yagi mount to allow two-axis pointing...
[18:56] <LazyLeopard> What's the latet version of dl-fldigi?
[18:57] <sbasuita> LazyLeopard: the preferred version is the latest git
[18:57] <sbasuita> LazyLeopard: but that only works on linux and osx iirc
[18:58] <LazyLeopard> Suits me. ;)
[18:58] <sbasuita> LazyLeopard: git://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi.git
[19:00] <LazyLeopard> Thanks.
[19:02] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Ubuntu has chosen the moment to upgrade itself...
[19:02] <LazyLeopard> Ah well, I'll leave it to get on with it, and hope it still works afterwards...
[19:31] <DanielRichman> LazyLeopard, you still got those Ubuntu install instructions? if not they're on the wiki now
[19:34] <fsphil> when are you guys planning to launch?
[19:36] <sbasuita> fsphil: sunday morning
[19:36] <fsphil> ah sweet
[19:37] <fsphil> cambridge?
[19:37] <sbasuita> fsphil: ears
[19:38] <fsphil> I wish I'd known about that sooner, might have nipped over
[19:39] <sbasuita> fsphil: ah well, its hard with the weather
[19:39] <sbasuita> fsphil: where are you based?
[19:39] <jonsowman> weather looking good for sunday
[19:39] <sbasuita> :)
[19:39] <sbasuita> jonsowman: will we see you at ears?
[19:39] <fsphil> sbasuita, n.ireland
[19:40] <jonsowman> sbasuita: not around this weekend - sorry
[19:40] <jonsowman> would have loved to come along
[19:40] <jonsowman> you've got a really good flight path there
[19:40] <jonsowman> i think the launch parameters currently in the predictor are good ones to aim for
[19:40] <sbasuita> shame about the heavy rain
[19:41] <jonsowman> yeh it is rather
[19:41] <jonsowman> at least the winds are ok
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[19:41] <jonsowman> sbasuita: watertight payload?
[19:41] <fsphil> I'll have the radio running, will track if I can receive
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:41] <sbasuita> jonsowman: not sure
[19:41] <fsphil> hiya Lunar_Lander
[19:41] <sbasuita> hey Lunar_Lander
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[19:41] <jonsowman> with 6.5m/s ascent you'll get above the clouds nice and quick anyway
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> that is quite fast
[19:42] <jonsowman> sbasuita: what balloon?
[19:42] <jonsowman> 1200?
[19:42] <sbasuita> jonsowman: yep
[19:43] <jonsowman> looks reasonable
[19:43] <jonsowman> i have my doubts about 33k
[19:44] <jonsowman> but 33k would be worse-case distance wise, so it's fine for predictions
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:44] <DanielRichman> Maxim-ic: "Please note that we are unable to immediately process your order as the following part(s) require Business Manager authorization:"
[19:44] <LazyLeopard> DanielRichman: Yep, still got them. Thanks.
[19:44] <DanielRichman> heard nothing
[19:44] <DanielRichman> for a week
[19:44] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: what parts?
[19:44] <DanielRichman> is this normal?
[19:44] <DanielRichman> the part concerned is
[19:44] <DanielRichman> MAX195BEPE+ - 16-Bit, 85ksps ADC with 10A Shutdo
[19:44] <DanielRichman> and
[19:44] <DanielRichman> MAX6325EPA+ - 1ppm/C, Low-Noise, +2.5V/+4.096V/+
[19:44] <jonsowman> hmm
[19:45] <jonsowman> i've had that before and then not heard anything until the parts arrived a couple of weeks later
[19:45] <jonsowman> you could always email them
[19:45] <DanielRichman> meh I'll just wait
[19:45] <DanielRichman> no rush unless radiometrix break *their* 1 week email silence to give me a nim2
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[19:46] <jonsowman> radiometrix are very quick when they want to be
[19:46] <jonsowman> and extraordinarily slow at other times
[19:47] <jonsowman> brb
[19:49] <fsphil> woo, just got 17200km on 5 watts with wspr -- the PBH guys should use that next time
[19:51] <russss> nice
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[20:02] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: What on?
[20:02] <fsphil> 30m
[20:03] <fsphil> ft-817nd
[20:03] <LazyLeopard> Cool.
[20:04] Action: LazyLeopard needs to sort out an HF antenna.
[20:04] <LazyLeopard> Got various bits of cord in various unlikely places not quite managing to string a dipole...
[20:04] <fsphil> hehe
[20:05] <LazyLeopard> What antenna have you got?
[20:05] <fsphil> I've two wires out the window, one going to a shrub and the other to the fence
[20:05] <fsphil> wires are 10m each
[20:06] <LazyLeopard> ...and an ATU, presumably.
[20:06] <fsphil> yep
[20:06] <fsphil> I just got that working today
[20:06] <LazyLeopard> manual or auto?
[20:06] <fsphil> auto
[20:06] <DanielRichman> a friend wants me to set him up a HF antenna in the summer
[20:07] <DanielRichman> the one at school picks up sooo much noise
[20:07] Action: LazyLeopard is beginning to suspect his choice of ATU may prove to be... tedious.
[20:07] <DanielRichman> oh don't worry manual atus are hilarious
[20:07] <fsphil> what model did you get LazyLeopard?
[20:07] <DanielRichman> sbasuita will testify
[20:07] <fsphil> This aerial gets a silly amount of noise
[20:07] <fsphil> but it's pretty close to all my electronics
[20:08] <LazyLeopard> An MFJ-971
[20:08] <fsphil> ah, looks neat!
[20:08] <fsphil> a bit retro :)
[20:09] <fsphil> I like the metre, this one only had led's
[20:09] <fsphil> meter even
[20:09] <LazyLeopard> Small, light, and needs a live test...
[20:11] <fsphil> I can't tune this aerial for 80m or 20m
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[20:29] <chembrow> so my AOR AR8000 arrived today, and now I need a decent antenna. What are peoples recommendations for a reasonable cost yagi?
[20:29] <chembrow> can anyone recommend a DIY option?
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[20:33] <SpeedEvil> There are many designs on the web for yagis
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> you can make quite a servicable one out of wood and aluminium coat-hangers
[20:33] <chembrow> SpeedEvil I've seen a few, but not sure which ones are best
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> In many ways you don't care.
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> The difference isn't that large
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> I'm getting ready to order a balloon at RocketBoy
[20:34] <chembrow> OK, thanks. how accurate do the tolerances have to be?
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> and 3dB higher or lower will not typically be an issue
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> how much cord should I order?
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> as it tends to hit the horizon anyway
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> any suggestion?
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> please
[20:40] <chembrow> SpeedEvil how does this one look? or would I be better off with more elements? http://www.nr6ca.org/70cmyagi.html
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil?
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: I recall ~30m being used - that's somewhat fuzzy memory though
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> That doesn't look bad.
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Though I haven't checked the numbers chembrow
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> wander onto #hamradio?
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[20:50] <chembrow> SpeedEvil thanks for the look, will have a try over there.
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> 30 m is long
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> hmm
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> I think I order 20 m
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: Sure - but what does 30m of 10kg breaking string weigh
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> almost nothing
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> the longer the string, the lower the likelyhood of it tangling
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> and it costs only 4.5 Pounds
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[21:31] <rjharrison> ping DanielRichman
[21:31] <rjharrison> Which version of fldigi does not have locks
[21:31] <rjharrison> flocks
[21:31] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, you getting flock errors?
[21:31] <rjharrison> Yep I pulled from your latest on git
[21:32] <rjharrison> using the dload option
[21:32] <DanielRichman> can you paste error into #highaltitude99
[21:32] <rjharrison> http://pastebin.com/qrAfjyjp
[21:33] <rjharrison> DanielRichman does that make sense
[21:34] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, no because my lastest dl_fldigi.cxx doesn't feature those tokens once
[21:34] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, can you md5sum dl_fldigi.cxx?
[21:35] <rjharrison> 01750e77075c2b5602ee76b4e41729c8 src/misc/dl_fldigi.cxx
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[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:35] <DanielRichman> daniel@desktop:misc$ git status
[21:35] <DanielRichman> # On branch master
[21:35] <DanielRichman> nothing to commit (working directory clean)
[21:35] <DanielRichman> daniel@desktop:misc$ md5sum dl_fldigi.cxx
[21:35] <DanielRichman> 25f0dbbeb8263d8f56de75ed2460cfaf dl_fldigi.cxx
[21:36] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, something are wrong.
[21:36] <rjharrison> hum weird
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> if we get a radio ham on the team, we can use other frequencies for sending GPS down?
[21:36] <rjharrison> I'll pull using git
[21:37] <DanielRichman> http://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/commit/ad4a933c7a3e46686bb8ac567447b0b504682833
[21:37] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, I have to go
[21:37] <DanielRichman> the above commit is the one that did it
[21:37] <rjharrison> cool
[21:37] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander, depends on local laws -- I know the UK law forbids any amateur operation from the air
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[21:37] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, good luck
[21:37] <rjharrison> thanks
[21:37] <fsphil> but in the US they can
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[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> I found some German amateur radio balloons
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> one text talks about 144.8 MHz
[21:42] <jonsowman> thats the european APRS frequency
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> and another site shows SSTV from a balloon from Luxemburg
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> my electrician says that he will do some research among ham operators
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[21:47] <Laurenceb> hello
[21:47] <jonsowman> Laurenceb: hi
[21:55] <SpeedEvil> Work out your local legislative body that regulates RF emissions. Read the regulations.
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[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> will do SpeedEvil
[22:06] <Laurenceb> the debate music sounds like the intro on star trek
[22:06] <fsphil> that's always encouraging
[22:06] Action: SpeedEvil wonders who's the founder.
[22:07] <fsphil> all of them? :)
[22:11] <sbasuita> rjharrison: so what are the plans for sunday?@
[22:11] <sbasuita> rjharrison: can you help us launch in the morning from ears?
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[22:13] <Laurenceb> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=A98333-ND <- is that similar to what CUSF use?
[22:13] <Laurenceb> on badger2
[22:15] <jonsowman> Laurenceb: looks very similar
[22:15] <jonsowman> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/wiki/doku.php?id=badgercub
[22:16] <Laurenceb> just looking for something with 2.54mm for my autopilot
[22:17] <Laurenceb> finally getting it finished
[22:17] Action: Laurenceb has been too busy recently
[22:17] <Laurenceb> thats 3.5mm ?
[22:17] <Laurenceb> but yeah same sort of thing
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[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy!
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[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> did you get my E-Mail?
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[23:03] <natrium42> moin Lunar_Lander
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> hi natrium42
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[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy?
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Camera
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> insane
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> (but awesome)
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[23:12] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander: email - I don't think so
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> I sent it to the "Support" address
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> I mean, Random Solutions is your site right?
[23:14] <RocketBoy> yep - when was that?
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> about 8 pm BST today
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> sorry, 9:07 pm,
[23:19] <RocketBoy> nope - cant find it - and its not in my junk or deleted folders
[23:19] <RocketBoy> do you want to try to send it again now
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> one second
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> sent
[23:24] <RocketBoy> cool got it
[23:25] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[23:25] <RocketBoy> will let you know tomorrow
[23:26] <RocketBoy> I need to check on orders and stock
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> ok thanks :)
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> and now good night :)
[23:35] <natrium42> good night, tomorrow is another day
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> cu
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[23:37] <RocketBoy> nights
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[23:56] <m6lep> Hmmm... SigSegv in dl-fldigi when it would have tried posting... May be something to do with CAT and HAB not playing together...
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