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[08:32] <Laurenceb> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&site=UK&WT.z_homepage_link=hp_go_button&KeyWords=LSM303&x=0&y=0 <-wow
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[09:52] <earthshine> morning
[09:57] <rharrison> morning earthshine
[09:59] <earthshine> so rjharrison has all the fuss died down or is it still ongoing ?
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[10:52] <earthshine> The CUrrent Launch page on the Wiki still has Scott's launch details on there
[10:53] <earthshine> from the 7th March
[11:06] <jcoxon> morning
[11:07] <jcoxon> i'll fix that
[11:09] <jcoxon> interesting predictions
[11:10] <earthshine> morning
[11:10] <earthshine> yeah
[11:13] <jcoxon> going to properly rig up the fsa03 module
[11:13] <jcoxon> earthshine, any progress on making a breakout board
[11:13] <jcoxon> ?
[11:14] <earthshine> Not yet. Too busy to do anything right now.
[11:14] <earthshine> Plus it will mean relearanign Eagle as I haven't used it for a long time
[11:14] <earthshine> *relearning
[11:15] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, I broke my fsa03 out with a v. simple board
[11:16] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, fabbed it yourself?
[11:17] <DanielRichman> yeah bubble etch style
[11:17] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, https://gist.github.com/5622e6f820584762b170
[11:17] <jcoxon> hehe
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[11:19] Action: Laurenceb is very tempted to go with a LSM303
[11:21] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, i'm having merge issues
[11:21] <jcoxon> how do i find out what is the problem?
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[11:22] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, what kind of issues?
[11:22] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, what did you type and what was the error message
[11:23] <jcoxon> i pulled your latest version
[11:23] <earthshine> Bubble Etch ?
[11:23] <DanielRichman> earthshine, :D
[11:23] <jcoxon> error: Entry 'src/dialogs/fl_digi.cxx' not uptodate. Cannot merge.
[11:24] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, you've made local modifications that you haven't comitted?
[11:24] <jcoxon> i think so...
[11:24] <jcoxon> hehe
[11:24] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, git status
[11:24] <earthshine> ahh a bubble tank - i see now
[11:25] <jcoxon> yeah fl_digi.cxx
[11:25] <DanielRichman> earthshine, school facilities
[11:25] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, how can i roll back that file?
[11:25] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, git clean
[11:25] <DanielRichman> I think
[11:25] <DanielRichman> no
[11:25] <russss> git checkout filename
[11:25] <DanielRichman> git revert or something. Let me see
[11:25] <DanielRichman> Ah yes my mistake
[11:26] <DanielRichman> russss is right
[11:26] <jcoxon> error: path 'src/dialogs/fl_digi.cxx' is unmerged
[11:26] <jcoxon> oops
[11:26] <jcoxon> i really have broken it again
[11:29] <jcoxon> ping rjharrison
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[11:42] <DanielRichman> jcoxon,
[11:42] <DanielRichman> if you want to keep changes to a file you could copy the file to your home, git clone a new directory, merge in my master then copy it back, git add and commit
[11:43] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, its okay
[11:43] <jcoxon> you've made very similar changes
[11:43] <DanielRichman> cool
[11:43] <jcoxon> but i'm still a little stuck
[11:43] <DanielRichman> oh?
[11:43] <jcoxon> yeah
[11:43] <jcoxon> i think i'm just digging myself into a hole
[11:44] <DanielRichman> What's the problem?
[11:45] <jcoxon> i'll just start again
[11:45] <jcoxon> i'll clone your tree
[11:45] <DanielRichman> no
[11:45] <DanielRichman> clone your own then pull mine
[11:45] <jcoxon> oh okay
[11:45] <jcoxon> that keeps my settings?
[11:45] <DanielRichman> what settings did you have?
[11:46] <jcoxon> well my remote shortcuts etc
[11:46] <DanielRichman> you can `cat .git/config` in your repo and also `cat ~/.gitconfig
[11:46] <DanielRichman> oh no that won't keep your remote shortcuts
[11:46] <jcoxon> just the origin to github?
[11:46] <DanielRichman> yeah whatever you cloned it from becomes origin
[11:47] <jcoxon> okay all done
[11:47] <jcoxon> thanks
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[15:44] <Randomskk> gosh
[15:44] <Randomskk> github now supports subversion access
[15:44] <Randomskk> you can use it as though it were an svn repository
[15:44] <Randomskk> currently read-only though
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[15:47] <russss> Randomskk: it was an april fool, which worked :)
[15:47] <Randomskk> yes
[15:47] <Randomskk> notably, it still works :P
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[16:06] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:07] <russss> the best april fools are always the ones which actually work
[16:07] <russss> like gmail :)
[16:07] <Randomskk> xkcd's
[16:11] <jcoxon> my poor 550mhz has been upgrading all its macports for the past 3 hours
[16:12] <jcoxon> its getting a little toasty...
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[19:33] <RealPerson> mmm this is interesting :)
[19:33] <RealPerson> Hello.
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[19:36] <SpeedEvil> ?
[19:36] <SpeedEvil_> ?
[19:36] <RealPerson> ?
[19:37] Action: RealPerson blinks
[19:37] <RealPerson> Just discovered this channel when going through a huge channel list.
[19:37] <RealPerson> :)
[19:37] <RealPerson> Been thinking about getting me a paraglider sometime.
[19:37] <SpeedEvil_> ?
[19:37] Action: SpeedEvil_ is mostly asleep
[19:37] <SpeedEvil_> we're mostly balloons.
[19:38] <SpeedEvil_> check the links in the topic
[19:38] <RealPerson> mmm
[19:38] <sbasuita> do tell us if you go for a 100k ft paraglide though ;)
[19:38] Action: RealPerson grins
[19:39] <SpeedEvil_> laurenceb is working on a balloon launcged rolago
[19:39] <RealPerson> don't balloons go where they please ?
[19:39] <sbasuita> rogallo*
[19:39] <RealPerson> i'd like to go where I please...
[19:39] <sbasuita> RealPerson, they go with the winds
[19:40] <SpeedEvil_> we have control of the weather.
[19:40] <sbasuita> well, SpeedEvil_ does
[19:40] <RealPerson> lol
[19:40] <sbasuita> just ask nicely ;)
[19:46] <RealPerson> What material are the balloons made of ?
[19:46] <SpeedEvil_> latex
[19:50] <RealPerson> Is it difficult to make a balloon yourself ? ( safe enough )
[19:51] <SpeedEvil_> you buy them.
[19:51] <SpeedEvil_> making is very non-trivial.
[19:52] <RealPerson> How much do they cost ?
[19:52] <SpeedEvil_> IIRC 30 quid for a medium one that will launch a couple of kilos easily
[19:53] <RealPerson> I compute better in Rand or Dollars.
[19:53] Action: RealPerson scratches head.
[19:53] <RealPerson> Would like to launch at least 90kg.
[19:54] <RealPerson> Better make that 100kgs.
[19:55] <Randomskk> that tends to need a lot of helium
[19:56] <SpeedEvil_> helium is alos expensive
[20:00] <sbasuita> RealPerson, what do you intend to launch?
[20:00] <RealPerson> myself.
[20:00] <RealPerson> :D
[20:00] <RealPerson> With some stuff.
[20:01] <sbasuita> RealPerson, make sure you put a vest on
[20:02] <Randomskk> it gets a bit cold
[20:02] <rjharrison> lol
[20:02] <rjharrison> RealPerson, the last person who did this got a darwin award
[20:02] <RealPerson> :)
[20:03] <SpeedEvil> I thought he was disqualified for not believing in darwin.
[20:04] <rjharrison> RealPerson, you may want to read this http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-16.html
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[20:05] <RealPerson> lol
[20:05] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
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[20:11] <RealPerson> Do people actually buy that ?
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> It was widely covered in the news at the time
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[20:18] <RealPerson> Just having a look at the website now.
[20:18] <RealPerson> Looks like fun.
[20:18] <RealPerson> how high to these balloons go ?
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[20:20] <RealPerson> looking at this site:
[20:20] <RealPerson> http://ukhas.org.uk/
[20:20] <RealPerson> Not the joker one.
[20:20] <sbasuita> RealPerson, 40km
[20:21] <sbasuita> RealPerson, that's probably the highest you'll see an amateur launch go
[20:21] <RealPerson> for real ?
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[20:21] <SpeedEvil> 45 might be hittable
[20:21] <RealPerson> The air must be thin there...
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> but anything more is hard.
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> about .004* sealevel
[20:21] <RealPerson> Don' the sun the baloons ?
[20:22] <RealPerson> Don' the sun get the balloons ?
[20:26] <fsphil> UV light from the sun will break down the material the balloon is made of
[20:26] <RealPerson> Thats what I am wondering about.
[20:27] <RealPerson> So high up the air must be getting thin.
[20:27] <fsphil> there's not much UV protection up that high
[20:27] <RealPerson> Less sun protection from the atmosphere.
[20:28] <RealPerson> If the balloon breaks what happens to the equipment ?
[20:28] <RealPerson> parachute ?
[20:28] <fsphil> aye
[20:28] <RealPerson> Or do you tell people to watch their heads on the news ?
[20:28] <RealPerson> haha
[20:29] <fsphil> the people to empty land ratio is pretty high thanksfull :)
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[20:30] <RealPerson> mmm whoever gets the parachute has some nice equipment.
[20:31] <RealPerson> Ok, its been somewhat interesting.
[20:31] <RealPerson> I'm leaving now, I will remember this place.
[20:32] <RealPerson> bye bye.
[20:32] <RealPerson> :)
[20:32] <Upu> RealPerson
[20:32] <fsphil> cya
[20:32] <Upu> keep looking up ;)
[20:32] <fsphil> hehe
[20:33] <RealPerson> You are watched from they sky. By balloons.
[20:33] <RealPerson> From outer space.
[20:33] Action: RealPerson waves bye
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[20:39] <fsphil> any launches this weekend, or is mother nature still being a pain?
[20:41] <sbasuita> fsphil, winds have been good since easter
[20:41] <Randomskk> well
[20:41] <Randomskk> 'better' if not good
[20:42] <Randomskk> thursday is looking up
[20:42] <fsphil> good to hear!
[20:42] <Randomskk> monday is pretty terrible in that it overflies london and airports
[20:42] <Randomskk> today and tomorrow are still over the sea but it gets better from then on
[20:43] <fsphil> so still not a good time to launch from CU
[20:43] <Randomskk> a week today would be a good time
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[21:43] <SpeedEvil> what was that very cheap UK vendor of bidirectional radio modules?
[21:51] <rjharrison> radiometrix?
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> no
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> it was a tiny 1*2cm or so bidirectional data module for about a fiver.
[21:51] <rjharrison> the C1111 thing
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> maybe
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> I forgot
[21:52] <rjharrison> http://uk.farnell.com/texas-instruments/cc1111f32rsp/transceiver-rf-with-mcu-36qfn/dp/1573890
[21:52] <rjharrison> ?
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[22:07] <SpeedEvil_> sort of but half the price
[22:07] <SpeedEvil_> night all
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[22:24] <earthshine> evening
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[22:38] <Laurenceb> hi all
[22:39] <Laurenceb> whats state of the art for accel noise density?
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> depends
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> ~200ug/sqrt(hz) is the best I've seen from ~$10 accels
[22:40] <Laurenceb> thats what ST quote
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> I have somewhere a bookmark for IIRC 10ug/sqrt(hz) accels in SOJ (IIRC)
[22:40] <Laurenceb> but I cant find figures on nonlinearity
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> at $200 per
[22:40] <russss> that's quite the dimension you've got there
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> per axis
[22:40] <Laurenceb> http://gb.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/LSM303DLH/?qs=asv7t3zdqdijspBBm7BM5A%3d%3d
[22:41] <rjharrison> nights all
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[22:41] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: what was that cheap RF module I linked you to a while back.
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: having problems finding it
[22:41] <Laurenceb> hope RF
[22:41] <Laurenceb> sk pang
[22:41] <Laurenceb> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=LSM303
[22:42] <Laurenceb> ^ also there, out of stock but ST seem to be fairly reliable
[22:42] <Laurenceb> not like when atmel is out of stock
[22:43] <Laurenceb> the magnetometer has cross axis sensitity 5 times worse than honeywell, and the noise is twice as bad
[22:43] <Laurenceb> but 75Hz as opposed to 50
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