highaltitude.log.20100405

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[00:16] <natrium42> looks like PBH is launching
[00:26] <fsphil> right now?
[00:26] <natrium42> yeah
[00:26] <natrium42> http://twitter.com/pbh3
[00:27] <Randomskk> Balloon inflation is nearly complete and comms are no longer functioning.
[00:27] <Randomskk> sounds promimsing
[00:27] <natrium42> heh
[00:27] <fsphil> oops
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[00:33] <earthshine_> nothing on the tracker
[00:33] Action: natrium42 checked out his HF antenna
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[00:40] <natrium42> "Attaching payload to balloon..."
[00:44] <natrium42> "Launching now!"
[00:51] <fsphil> Of it goes
[00:52] <fsphil> got the radio on here, so far just noise. it's a long shot anyway, I doubt they're using much power
[00:59] <fsphil> 2.6km
[00:59] <fsphil> altitude
[01:03] <fsphil> 3.4km .. that's fast
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[01:19] <gazza> hello
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[01:36] <fsphil> night all
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[06:46] <natrium42> i couldn't hear PBH on my radio...
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[07:31] <jcoxon> wow i missed that
[07:31] <jcoxon> they launched pbh
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[07:46] <jcoxon> http://www.projectbluehorizon.com/
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[08:10] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[08:10] <edmoore> hi jcoxon
[08:10] <edmoore> can you hear anything?
[08:10] <edmoore> am still in france, just thought i'd pop in to see
[08:10] <jcoxon> i don't have my radio
[08:10] <jcoxon> but am getting a signal on globaltuners
[08:11] <edmoore> cool
[08:11] <jcoxon> from a radio in new york state
[08:11] <jcoxon> that said the decode is a bit odd
[08:12] <jcoxon> caught me by suprise
[08:12] <jcoxon> slightly typical pbh flight i guess
[08:16] <jcoxon> hows france?
[08:17] <edmoore> sorry had to dash away
[08:17] <edmoore> it's lovely
[08:17] <edmoore> hence not being online
[08:17] <edmoore> completely clear sky this morning
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[08:18] <rjharrison> ping jcoxon
[08:18] <jcoxon> morning rjharrison
[08:18] <rjharrison> windows version required?
[08:18] <jcoxon> edmoore, sounds lovely
[08:18] <jcoxon> rjharrison, not immediately
[08:19] <jcoxon> but it'll be good to start ironing out potential issues
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[08:28] <rharrison> working on build
[08:30] <jcoxon> rharrison, is your hf station up?
[08:30] <rharrison> yep
[08:30] <jcoxon> managed to decode: 3AM 39717 U E52545 1EW I29 at 0810
[08:30] <jcoxon> from the PBH flight
[08:30] <rharrison> from uk?
[08:30] <jcoxon> no
[08:30] <jcoxon> states
[08:30] <rharrison> cool
[08:32] <jcoxon> just wondering if you would like to listen in
[08:33] <jcoxon> you just never know with propergation
[08:33] <rharrison> yep
[08:33] <jcoxon> 7.1028, CW,
[08:33] <rharrison> Ill get fired up
[08:33] <jcoxon> every 10mins
[08:33] <edmoore> just one-shot?
[08:33] <rharrison> one-shot?
[08:35] <jcoxon> it seems to be one string
[08:35] <jcoxon> but i've been messing around to much
[08:35] <jcoxon> next pass will be the best
[08:36] <jcoxon> hmmm fldigi is rubbish at decoding cw
[08:38] <jcoxon> wow their flight path went far too close to NY
[08:38] <jcoxon> http://aprs.fi/?call=KC2WOE&dt=1270425600&mt=m&z=7&timerange=3600
[08:38] <jcoxon> rharrison, ready? 1 min to go :-p
[08:40] <jcoxon> yup there it is
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[08:47] <allenk> anyone hear the CW from that balloon?
[08:48] <jcoxon> allenk, yeah i'm getting a bit
[08:48] <jcoxon> using an online recevier in NW Connecticut
[08:48] <rharrison> hum not here
[08:49] <allenk> jcoxon: I saw your post
[08:49] <jcoxon> there is also other CW on that freq
[08:49] <allenk> It should be coming up in another few seconds?
[08:49] <jcoxon> yup
[08:50] <allenk> is it on?
[08:50] <jcoxon> yup
[08:51] <allenk> I think I'm getting the very faint signal
[08:51] <allenk> I'm in AZ
[08:51] <edmoore> good detective work allenk :p
[08:51] <jcoxon> there is a stronger CW signal on that freq
[08:51] <jcoxon> which is to do with the earthquake
[08:51] <jcoxon> but it is there
[08:52] <jcoxon> damn audacity just crashed
[08:52] <jcoxon> before i could save that last wav
[08:54] <allenk> I'm getting SITOR on 7102
[08:54] <allenk> LSB or USB?
[08:54] <allenk> Oh
[08:54] <jcoxon> I'm using CW
[08:54] <allenk> 'm getting it
[08:55] <jcoxon> wrong time
[08:55] <allenk> yeah
[08:55] <allenk> S2 noise
[08:56] <allenk> bad time to be doing CW
[08:57] <allenk> not propogated
[08:57] <allenk> be interesting to listen to NY ATC
[09:00] <allenk> I'm getting CW now
[09:00] <jcoxon> wow my computer is falling apart
[09:00] <jcoxon> need to reset
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[09:00] <allenk> data, but NO cw
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[09:03] <jcoxon> allenk, get anything?
[09:03] <allenk> jcoxon: No
[09:03] <allenk> Just data
[09:04] <jcoxon> my poor laptop sucummbed to running multiple decoders at once
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[09:09] <jcoxon> okay here we go
[09:10] <jcoxon> hmmm can't seem to see it
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[09:21] <jcoxon> hmmm this receiver seems to have fallen out of propergation
[09:24] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[09:46] <jcoxon> morning M0DTS
[09:46] <M0DTS> GM
[09:48] <M0DTS> Just saw your email about PBH so thought i'd take a look in!
[09:48] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:48] <jcoxon> struggling to find signal right now
[09:48] <jcoxon> 1min till next transmission
[09:50] <M0DTS> just looking up ino still here
[09:50] <M0DTS> *info
[09:52] <jcoxon> hmmm nothing again
[09:54] <M0DTS> 7.1028 right?
[09:55] <jcoxon> yup
[09:56] <M0DTS> will let you know if i hear anything.. qrm at present.
[09:56] <jcoxon> HF isn't vital yet as they are still getting APRS
[09:56] <jcoxon> M0DTS, where are you based?
[09:56] <M0DTS> nr Middlesbrough
[09:56] <jcoxon> cool
[09:56] <jcoxon> well i'm tunning into US receviers
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[09:56] <jcoxon> so will say if i get a signal
[09:57] <jcoxon> the CW is every 10mins
[09:57] <jcoxon> seem to be getting some packet around that frequency
[09:57] <M0DTS> ok
[09:57] <jcoxon> so in 3mins
[09:57] <M0DTS> on the hour..ok
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[09:58] <jcoxon> this flight is going to go on for at least another 24hrs
[09:59] <M0DTS> oh that long.. will check in anod out during the day then!
[09:59] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:00] <jcoxon> yeah well its a ZP balloon and if it survives teh night it'll fly for the rest of the day
[10:00] <jcoxon> and sunrise is pretty soon
[10:01] <jcoxon> hmmm nothing here again
[10:01] <M0DTS> great.. hopefully it'l get some way closer by then and might hear the HF beacon
[10:02] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:02] <jcoxon> no one has really got their head round HF propergation from 38,000ft
[10:03] <M0DTS> no, ive never heard any other bealloons before on HF but not tried that hard really.
[10:05] <M0DTS> will check back in later in the day.... Rob
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[10:12] <earthshine_> morning
[10:12] <DanielRichman> Hallo
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[10:13] <jcoxon> morning
[10:18] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jcoxon' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[10:18] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!jcoxon@88-110-182-222.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, wiki.ukhas.org.uk, PBH-10 crossing Atlantic, heading SE - http://aprs.fi/?call=kc2woe
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[10:19] <rjharrison> weird niven message
[10:19] <rjharrison> jcoxon compile problem under windows
[10:20] <jcoxon> oh?
[10:20] <jcoxon> -> 99
[10:28] <earthshine_> Oh dear
[10:28] <earthshine_> Blue Horizon ended in the sea ?
[10:29] <jcoxon> no no
[10:29] <jcoxon> its still flying
[10:29] <jcoxon> it'll stay up during hte dat
[10:29] <jcoxon> day*
[10:29] <jcoxon> just that the aprs is no out of range so relying on HF
[10:29] <earthshine_> i see
[10:30] <earthshine_> SO what is it's final destination?
[10:30] <earthshine_> It's not an atlantic crossing is it ?
[10:31] <jcoxon> its not planned to be
[10:31] <jcoxon> but it could do
[10:31] <jcoxon> not sure how good their ballast system is
[10:31] <earthshine_> so surely if it is over the Atlantic there is not much chance of it turning around and heading back to land
[10:32] <jcoxon> oh this was more of a test flight
[10:32] <jcoxon> they don't expect it back
[10:32] <jcoxon> but i'm not sure if they are going for the longhaul
[10:34] <earthshine_> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[10:34] <earthshine_> Do you get any video on that link?
[10:34] <jcoxon> no and its about to crash my firefox
[10:35] <jcoxon> hehe i'm streaming radio audio as well
[10:35] <jcoxon> :-p
[10:35] <earthshine_> hmm
[10:36] <earthshine_> i can view it on the yahoo feeds
[10:36] <earthshine_> http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1368162
[10:37] <juxta> hi all
[10:38] <jonsowman> morning
[10:38] <juxta> evening
[10:38] <jonsowman> :p
[10:38] Action: juxta had an interesting easter Monday
[10:39] <jcoxon> juxta, ...
[10:39] <juxta> I came home this morning to find a bunch of kids in the pool
[10:40] <juxta> strangers that is
[10:40] <jcoxon> how weird
[10:40] <juxta> yeah
[10:40] <juxta> it was a little awkward considering they were about 10 & skinny dipping
[10:41] <juxta> their parents were not impressed when I took marched them home
[10:41] <juxta> erm, minus 'took'
[10:41] <juxta> earthshine_: is this yahoo stream live?
[10:41] <jcoxon> hmmm still nothing from PBH
[10:43] <earthshine_> yes it's live - or near as dammit
[10:46] <jcoxon> oh dear thats a bad sign - appears that someone is broadcasting music on 7.1028Mhz
[10:46] <earthshine_> tossers
[10:48] <jcoxon> gone now
[10:48] <juxta> what's flying today jcoxon?
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[10:49] <jcoxon> PBH-10 ZP balloon
[10:49] <jcoxon> http://aprs.fi/?call=kc2woe
[10:49] <juxta> oh great - where from?
[10:49] <earthshine_> http://www.spacevidcast.com/
[10:49] <jcoxon> from US, New York State, currently out to see heading SE
[10:49] <jcoxon> aprs is now out of range
[10:49] <juxta> oh right, so it's already up?
[10:50] <jcoxon> so relying on HF though i haven't found the signal for quite a while
[10:52] <jcoxon> hmmm nothing again
[10:53] <russss> spacevidcast is the best
[10:53] <jcoxon> oh they got another packet through on aprs
[10:54] <russss> if you don't mind their own rather cheesy programming
[10:55] <earthshine_> is that spacevidcast live?
[10:55] <earthshine_> Will it also show the launch live?
[10:55] <russss> yes
[10:55] <earthshine_> cool
[10:55] <russss> they're doing a bit of their own programming at the moment but it will cut back to NASA TV in a while
[10:56] <earthshine_> ok it's back to NASA TV now
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[11:00] <fsphil> hey they're doing well. is it a kamikaze flight, or are they planning to make landfall?
[11:02] <jcoxon> i'm not really sure
[11:02] <jcoxon> really will depend on ballast
[11:04] <earthshine_> i don't see how they will make landfall
[11:04] <fsphil> that site is void of anything useful at all
[11:04] <jcoxon> fsphil, yeah
[11:04] <jcoxon> they aren't great at sharing info
[11:04] <earthshine_> top secret
[11:05] <fsphil> I heard something on HF a minute ago, but it wasn't quite at the right frequency
[11:05] <jcoxon> which is a bit of a shame as a lot of the work is by amateurs
[11:06] <jcoxon> fsphil, i haven't heard it for quite a while - might had shifted freq
[11:07] <fsphil> did you hear it though?
[11:07] <jcoxon> i heard in the states about 2 hours ago
[11:07] <jcoxon> using online radio
[11:07] <fsphil> ah sdr
[11:07] <jcoxon> pcr-1500 in connecticut
[11:08] <fsphil> the signal I heard was slightly higher
[11:08] <jcoxon> freq?
[11:08] <fsphil> one sec
[11:11] <fsphil> hmm, fldigi has decided not to talk to my radio
[11:12] <jcoxon> thats kind
[11:12] <jcoxon> hamrig or rigcat?
[11:13] <fsphil> hamlib -- simple permission problem
[11:13] <jcoxon> hmm again nothing
[11:14] <fsphil> guessing now cause it's gone, but the signal I saw was ~7.104mhz
[11:14] <fsphil> nothing since
[11:14] <fsphil> it probably wasn't the balloon or I'd have heard it again
[11:16] <juxta> is fldigi able to auto-tune a radio to compensate for frequency drift?
[11:16] <jcoxon> no
[11:16] <fsphil> I don't think so
[11:16] <jcoxon> juxta, though thats a feature i'm sure we could add :-)
[11:17] <juxta> ah bummer, thats a shame ;p
[11:17] <fsphil> yea, shift the radio up and down a few hertz when the afc gets near the edges
[11:17] <jcoxon> i doubt it would be a challenge
[11:17] <fsphil> be handy for unattended tracking
[11:17] <juxta> I'm going to build up a rig to put in the boot to do tracking and decoding etc
[11:18] <juxta> and just RDP to it with the laptop - save the mess of cables throughout the car
[11:20] <jcoxon> okay i've shifted up in freq to 7.103
[11:21] <fsphil> time for breakfast!
[11:21] <fsphil> brb
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[11:47] <fsphil> mmm toast and marmalade.
[11:48] <Randomskk> I should go get some breakfast before noon really
[11:49] <fsphil> yea not good to skip it
[11:49] <Randomskk> the problem is all this easter chocolate lying around
[11:49] <Randomskk> need to find some easter hot cross buns I think
[11:49] <earthshine_> i'm having bacon butties
[11:49] <fsphil> ooh bacon butties, lucky git
[11:50] <fsphil> signal on 7.102760
[11:50] <Randomskk> do I have a chance of picking stuff up without a proper hf antenna?
[11:51] <fsphil> I've just two 10 meter wires, and one of them is in the house
[11:52] <jcoxon> fsphil, cw signal?
[11:52] <fsphil> it did seem to be jcoxon, but it didn't last long
[11:53] <jcoxon> hmmm perhaps its time to use radios on our side of the pond
[11:53] <fsphil> quite strong
[11:53] <jcoxon> any chance you could record the next transmission?
[11:53] <fsphil> will do
[11:53] <Randomskk> so what, plug a nice long wire into my hf antenna socket, dangle it out the window, tune in and hope for the best?
[11:54] <russss> that seems to be the essence of HF antenna design
[11:54] <fsphil> lol yea, just don't TX though it
[11:54] <earthshine_> why is the launch not on the spacenear tracker ?
[11:54] <fsphil> without a tuner anyway
[11:54] <Randomskk> yea
[11:54] <Randomskk> hmm maybe I'll just make a 7mhz yagi, that shouldn't be too big right
[11:54] <Randomskk> :P
[11:54] <fsphil> how big's your garden? :)
[11:55] <russss> hah
[11:55] <earthshine_> lol
[11:55] <Randomskk> I could maybe fit an element or two
[11:55] <Randomskk> it's only like 21m for a dipole
[11:55] <earthshine_> 37000 feet? is that right? That's not very high at all
[11:55] <jcoxon> earthshine_, cause there ain't no telemetry
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[11:55] <Randomskk> does the cw on hf not contain telem?
[11:55] <jcoxon> earthshine_, hehe these aren't latex balloon
[11:56] <jcoxon> s
[11:56] <earthshine_> so how do they know it's height ?
[11:56] <jcoxon> Randomskk, the CW has telem but no one has picked it up for a while
[11:56] <jcoxon> they also are using APRS on 2m but that has now gone out of range
[11:57] <earthshine_> Not even anyone in the US ?
[11:57] <jcoxon> not many people are listening
[11:57] <Randomskk> where do we think it is?
[11:57] <earthshine_> but surely they are listening themselves ?
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[11:58] <jcoxon> earthshine_, yeah they are but HF is a funny thing
[11:58] <jcoxon> with skip propagation
[11:58] <jcoxon> and such
[11:58] <jcoxon> Randomskk, not too far from that last APRS point
[12:00] <jcoxon> fsphil, anything?
[12:01] <fsphil> just noise
[12:01] <fsphil> it's every 10 minutes isn't it?
[12:01] <jcoxon> yeah
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[12:06] <fsphil> not the only high altitude launch today, shuttle discovery has launched. I suspect it'll get higher
[12:06] <russss> I'm fairly sure it's already quite a lot higher ;)
[12:06] <fsphil> signal again
[12:06] <fsphil> recording
[12:07] <fsphil> much weaker this time
[12:08] <fsphil> went before I could record it
[12:08] <jcoxon> time seems wrong
[12:08] <fsphil> how long ago was my last message about the signal?
[12:08] <fsphil> xchat doesn't show times
[12:09] <juxta> fsphil: 2 minutes
[12:10] <fsphil> the one before that :p
[12:10] <jcoxon> so the signal should be now
[12:10] <Randomskk> freq?
[12:11] <jcoxon> 7.1028
[12:11] <juxta> fsphil: [20:23:03] <fsphil> quite strong
[12:11] <juxta> that was 17 mins ago
[12:11] <fsphil> 7.102760, there was also two other lines on the waterfall at slightly higher frequencies
[12:12] <fsphil> both times
[12:12] <fsphil> I'm recording in advance, I'll upload the next time it happens
[12:13] <Randomskk> radio running but not hooked up to fldigi yet
[12:13] <jcoxon> Randomskk, what os?
[12:13] <Randomskk> linux
[12:13] <Randomskk> ubuntu 9.10 in particular
[12:13] <jcoxon> fldigi isn't great at CW, best if you can record it as well
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[12:14] <Randomskk> as in via line in?
[12:14] <Randomskk> k
[12:14] <Randomskk> could probably just leave it recording
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[12:14] <fsphil> It's better at morse than me :)
[12:15] <fsphil> right, if I'm right then the signal should re-appear in a few minutes
[12:15] <Randomskk> any suggestions for linux sound recording programs that'l run for a long time ?
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> sox works ok
[12:15] <fsphil> fldigi can capture
[12:17] <Randomskk> 7.102.76?
[12:18] <fsphil> that's where I heard a signal
[12:18] <fsphil> suppose to be 7.1028
[12:18] <jcoxon> on the NW conneticut radio there is a strong tone in the middle of 7.1028
[12:19] <jcoxon> and the occasional digital signal
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[12:21] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: example of using sox?
[12:21] <Randomskk> gnome's sound-recorder isn't working
[12:21] <jcoxon> Randomskk, you might as well use fldigi and watch the waterfall
[12:22] <jcoxon> its more that if you do get a signal fldigi isn't great at decoding
[12:22] <Randomskk> doesn't fldigi store wav?
[12:22] <jcoxon> yeah it does
[12:22] <jcoxon> <fsphil> fldigi can capture
[12:23] <Randomskk> ugh, old version of fldigi on my laptop
[12:23] <Randomskk> no storage
[12:24] <jcoxon> ooo some rtty :-p
[12:24] Nick change: sbasuita_ -> sbasuita
[12:25] <Randomskk> haven't heard anything that sounded like cw
[12:26] <fsphil> nothing here at all now
[12:26] <jcoxon> remember its every 10
[12:26] <jcoxon> so in 4 mins
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[12:31] <fsphil> not a thing
[12:31] <jcoxon> nothing here
[12:31] <jcoxon> some rtty again
[12:32] <fsphil> on 7.1028?
[12:32] <jcoxon> yeah but remember my radio is in the states
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[12:33] <Randomskk> still no signal
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[12:38] <jcoxon> ooo anyone on windows?
[12:38] <juxta> I am jcoxon
[12:38] <jcoxon> cause they could use cwskimmer
[12:38] <juxta> though I dont think I'll hear anything from here
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[12:39] <jcoxon> hehe
[12:39] <jcoxon> some wav files:
[12:39] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/misc/pbh10/0810.wav
[12:39] <fsphil> 53 users, nice
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[12:39] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/misc/pbh10/0840.wav
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[12:39] <Futurity> Hi all
[12:39] <juxta> does that include position data jcoxon?
[12:39] Nick change: DanielRichman_ -> DanielRichman
[12:40] <russss> needs someone tracking in Bermuda, heh
[12:40] <jcoxon> yeah, somewhere in there is a string
[12:40] <juxta> & where's your radio?
[12:40] <jcoxon> i got a bit out of it but if someone took their time they should be able to extract it all
[12:40] <russss> you could probably pick up the APRS from thee
[12:40] <russss> there
[12:40] <jcoxon> oh NW Conneticut
[12:40] <Randomskk> bbl, still no signal from here
[12:40] <fsphil> nor here
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[12:41] <juxta> how much TX power is being used btw?
[12:41] <fsphil> but at least I know what to listen for now
[12:41] <jcoxon> yeah thats why i posted it
[12:41] <jcoxon> i might take that time now and decode it
[12:42] <juxta> how far is it expected to go?
[12:42] <fsphil> there are two cw signals in the 0840.wav file?
[12:42] <jcoxon> yup
[12:42] <Futurity> A year ago I was shown an app on the iPhone that lists ham users. Using that you may find someone in Bermuda
[12:42] <jcoxon> the stronger one is from mexico
[12:42] <jcoxon> its about the earthquake
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[12:43] <fsphil> ooh big quake too
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[12:51] <jcoxon> looks like they managed to get a signal
[12:51] <jcoxon> We have heard from the balloon via HF communication. Reported location is: N38.458, W66.101
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[12:55] <jcoxon> looks like the us hams are swinging into action
[12:57] <fsphil> it's still early over there
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[12:57] <earthshine_> their tracker hasn't updated yet though
[12:57] <earthshine_> it's still showing last time as 09:54
[12:58] <russss> I think that only updates by APRS
[12:58] <jcoxon> oh they haven't really got it worked out yet
[12:58] <jcoxon> russss, aprs doesn't go to their tracker
[12:58] <russss> ah, I thought you meant aprs.fi
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[13:02] <earthshine_> seems all half cock to me
[13:02] <earthshine_> not very professional at all
[13:02] <earthshine_> not like those guys in the UK who do it properly
[13:02] <russss> is morse really the best encoding/modulation to use?
[13:03] <russss> I guess it's nice and simple
[13:03] <earthshine_> i can't see how it is the simplest
[13:03] <jcoxon> CW is great for people listening
[13:03] <earthshine_> it maybe best for distance though
[13:04] <jcoxon> meaning you don't need a computer to decode
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[13:04] <earthshine_> yeah
[13:04] <jcoxon> and its good for distance
[13:04] <russss> it would be nice to try something like Olivia, maybe in addition to morse
[13:04] <jcoxon> atlantic halo will have mfsk16, rtty and cw
[13:05] <earthshine_> what freqs will you be tx on jcoxon ?
[13:05] <jcoxon> very similar
[13:05] <jcoxon> the current tx is 7.01410MHz
[13:05] <earthshine_> will there be a point in the flight where that will become illegal ?
[13:05] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/wiki/doku.php?id=hf_radio:testing
[13:05] <jcoxon> yeah when it passes over the uk
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[13:06] <earthshine_> crazy rules
[13:06] <jcoxon> when we did the testing i couldn't hear it in london yet it could be heard in germany
[13:06] <earthshine_> Is that your balloon test ?
[13:06] <jcoxon> yeah
[13:07] <earthshine_> why Germany ?
[13:07] <earthshine_> because of the rules?
[13:07] <jcoxon> no as in the signal bounces
[13:07] <jcoxon> with HF it bounces of the ionosphere
[13:07] <jcoxon> so it skips some places and can be heard in others
[13:07] <earthshine_> So you were trying to pick it up in the UK ?
[13:08] <jcoxon> well we were testing our radio
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[13:08] <jcoxon> and i know someone in munich and they tuned in to see if they could hear it
[13:09] <earthshine_> How come your flight is the only one on the spacenear wiki ?
[13:09] <earthshine_> do you own that domain ?
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[13:10] <jcoxon> its natrium's domain
[13:10] <jcoxon> and we use it for out atlantichalo wiki
[13:10] <earthshine_> i see
[13:10] <jcoxon> which is our trans-atlantic mission we are slowly working on
[13:10] <earthshine_> I see WB8ELK did a burst video :(
[13:10] <earthshine_> I was hoping to be the first to do that - oh well
[13:10] <earthshine_> didn't realise they did that last year
[13:10] <earthshine_> DOH!
[13:10] <fsphil> brief signal again
[13:11] <Randomskk> still nothing discernable here
[13:11] <Randomskk> cruddy antenna probably to blame
[13:11] <fsphil> my own is pretty awful
[13:12] <jcoxon> i think its more to do with propagation
[13:12] <jonsowman> Randomskk: the problem is definitely at the XPORT end
[13:12] <jonsowman> it's not disconnecting from the first server
[13:12] <jonsowman> even though it should be
[13:12] <Randomskk> I see
[13:12] <Randomskk> peculiar
[13:12] <jonsowman> anyway hows you?
[13:12] <Randomskk> ntb
[13:12] <jcoxon> just that there is no actual signal making it to you
[13:12] <Randomskk> need to revise like crazy
[13:12] <Randomskk> going out driving in a min too
[13:12] <Randomskk> you?
[13:12] <Randomskk> jcoxon: quite possibly
[13:12] <jonsowman> ah cool :) yep me too
[13:12] <jonsowman> wrt revision
[13:12] <Randomskk> also my house is in the way for anything from the west
[13:13] <Randomskk> antenna is on the east-facing side
[13:13] <fsphil> shouldn't affect these signals as much
[13:13] <Randomskk> jonsowman: tempted to blitz my design project, get that totally done, and the mechanics lab, and then maybe examples papers and just do matheson's paper
[13:13] <Randomskk> fsphil: will leave the radio running at any rate
[13:14] <Randomskk> jonsowman: that clears all the work I'm meant to do, then I can worry more about doing as much structures and mechanics revision as possible
[13:15] <fsphil> the wind is really picking up here
[13:16] <jonsowman> Randomskk: a wise plan i feel
[13:16] <Randomskk> jonsowman: all I need to do now is actually do it
[13:16] <Randomskk> design project should be doable though I hope
[13:16] <Randomskk> obvs I totally wanna win that awesome prize
[13:16] <Randomskk> (...is there a prize?)
[13:16] <jonsowman> yeh same once i come up with something
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[13:16] <Randomskk> also what's up with the damn computer highscore thing
[13:16] <jonsowman> err dont know
[13:16] <jonsowman> yeh exactly what i was about to say
[13:17] <Randomskk> grr tim love
[13:17] <jonsowman> i want moneys.
[13:17] <Randomskk> quite
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[13:18] <fsphil> whoa, I read that as "i want monkeys"
[13:18] <fsphil> need my eyes checked :p
[13:19] <Randomskk> admittedly I would settle for some monkeys in lieu of money
[13:19] <jonsowman> monkeys would also be acceptable, definitely
[13:19] <Randomskk> however currently we have heard nothing
[13:19] <jonsowman> the likelihood of cambridge uni engineering dept giving out monkeys for good programming is questionable however
[13:19] <Randomskk> and the high score tables have broken
[13:19] <Randomskk> maybe this has just never happened before and they don't know what to do
[13:20] <jonsowman> haha
[13:21] <Randomskk> 'how did they do so well, that's not possible'
[13:21] <Randomskk> 'shit, what do we do'
[13:21] <Randomskk> 'give them all the money'
[13:21] <jcoxon> okay bbl
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[13:21] <jonsowman> *monkeys
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[13:22] <jonsowman> anyway that'd be awesome
[13:22] <Randomskk> oh well, probably find out in two weeks ish
[13:23] <jonsowman> fingers x'd
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[13:28] <fsphil> an annoyingly strong but empty carrier just below 7102mhz
[13:28] <fsphil> gone now
[13:29] <fsphil> that's weird
[13:29] <Randomskk> I get that now and again
[13:29] <Randomskk> annoying as
[13:29] <fsphil> there's a lot of odd crap on hf
[13:29] <russss> HF is full of crazy stuff
[13:29] <jonsowman> PBH3
[13:29] <jonsowman> We are receiving reliable status on the 10s. Balloon is ascedning. Also, thank you to the excellent contributions from the hams!
[13:29] <fsphil> anyone here setup to TX on 40m? I'd be curious to see if I can receive more local signals
[13:30] <Randomskk> not with anything besides a long bit of unmatched and untuned wire
[13:30] <Randomskk> probably won't get much out of it :P
[13:31] <fsphil> yep, maybe a broken radio :)
[13:31] <fsphil> I really need to get myself an atu
[13:31] <Randomskk> apparently it can protect itself
[13:31] <Randomskk> but consequentially won't really tx much
[13:34] <fsphil> nothing hear that time either -- guess it's still closer to the states than europe
[13:39] <fsphil> man the atlantic really is big
[13:39] <Randomskk> yup
[13:40] <jonsowman> its pretty large as things go
[13:41] <earthshine_> Is this a test for a future transatlantic attempt?
[13:44] <jonsowman> no idea
[13:44] <jonsowman> i had a feeling it's just a comms testing mission - ie. they dont expect to recover
[13:44] <jonsowman> but i'm not sure where I got that from...
[13:45] <earthshine_> but to test comms for what? What is the end product of the test?
[13:48] <jonsowman> http://www.projectbluehorizon.com/index.php?a=project
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[14:01] <fsphil> brb, lunch
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[14:03] <jcoxon> pbh10 seems to be working well
[14:04] <Professor> how's the aprs system holding up?
[14:04] <Professor> hitting the digipeaters?
[14:05] <jcoxon> Professor, its out of range of the aprs
[14:05] <jcoxon> system now
[14:06] <Professor> when i launch my balloon, I'm going with a 5 watt aprs transmitter
[14:06] <Professor> screw not getting into the system! heheh
[14:07] <jcoxon> hehe
[14:07] <Professor> I tried otu one of those altoids tin aprs systems but it simply didn't work well here. our repeaters wouldn't pick it up because it was way under powered
[14:07] <jcoxon> its pretty far out
[14:07] <Professor> it was assembled and tuned properly, it just sucked
[14:07] <jcoxon> yeah
[14:08] <jcoxon> Professor, been a while since you've been on here
[14:08] <jcoxon> you were around in the early days of the channel
[14:08] <Professor> I pop in once in a while. working on 800 projects at once. that kaymont balloon is sitting in my kitchen cabinet out of the sun and not getting any attention
[14:08] <Professor> I follow you on twitter so it keeps the project fresh in mind
[14:08] <jcoxon> cool cool
[14:09] <jcoxon> well hopefully one day we'll launch our trans-a
[14:09] <Professor> the only thing stopping me is helium at this point
[14:10] <Professor> the sucky thing is I have a big bottle of ultra high purity stuff for cryopumps. i can't bring myself to use it for the balloon
[14:10] <juxta> that would be a bit of a waste :)
[14:14] <jcoxon> :-)
[14:14] <jcoxon> He isn't cheap these days
[14:14] <Professor> anybody using hydrogen?
[14:14] <jcoxon> not in the UK
[14:14] <jcoxon> i think there is a bit too much stigma attached
[14:14] <juxta> I'm thinking of using it soon
[14:14] <juxta> I'll buy some flash gear though
[14:15] <Professor> I have H2 generators available. my buddy is into fuel cells and builds em big enough for filling balloons over the course of half a sday
[14:15] <juxta> oh nice :D
[14:15] <juxta> even better if you can bottle it
[14:15] <Professor> couple hours anyway
[14:22] <jcoxon> grrr, can't find this HF signal
[14:23] <fsphil> on the connecticut receiver?
[14:24] <fsphil> I spelled that wrong didn't I
[14:24] <fsphil> ooh for once I didn't
[14:25] <jcoxon> i've been moving around receviers
[14:25] <jcoxon> trying to predict the signal
[14:25] <jcoxon> its seriously making me think about how we are going to pull this off
[14:26] <fsphil> transmit less often, but with more power?
[14:26] <jcoxon> i think transmit more often
[14:26] <jcoxon> having to wait 10mins for the next message and then find you are wrong
[14:27] <jcoxon> well atleast transmit for longer
[14:27] <DanielRichman> perhaps transmit carrier for 60s before the telemtry string
[14:27] <DanielRichman> allowing you to find it
[14:27] <jcoxon> yeah
[14:27] <jcoxon> we'll be transmitting multiple modes so it'll go on for quite a while
[14:27] <fsphil> any more thoughts on using wspr?
[14:27] <Professor> do any of you guys do testing before launch/ I just picked up an environmental chamber that goes from -100c to + 300c
[14:27] <Professor> pretty decent size, easily fits a balloon payload
[14:28] <jcoxon> Professor, we've been testing in the air :-)
[14:28] <Professor> lolz
[14:28] <Professor> I want to test batteries and such
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> Professor: where from?
[14:28] <Professor> Sun
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> Professor: and generally - freezer - domestic - catches most issues
[14:29] <Professor> http://www.sunelectronics.com/
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> Professor: though at 'only' -50C ambient with a foam box - very little actually fails
[14:29] <fsphil> a longer flight might have some issues with -50C, the heat will eventually leak out
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[14:30] <Professor> do you ever throw in those heat packs? (corrosion heaters)
[14:30] <Professor> guess if it's cold, it's probably dry so they wont' work so good
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> current flights mostly have a moderately large dissipation
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> also - ~4 millibars
[14:30] <juxta> jcoxon: you could transmit carrier on/off with say a 1-10% duty cycle and not use too much power & use that to locate the signal
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> Transatlantic flights require more thought
[14:31] <jcoxon> hehe: Having technical issues with the maps on our website. Manually adding coordinates to the following map: http://bit.ly/cXJHD6
[14:31] <jcoxon> from their twitter stream
[14:32] Action: jcoxon knows exactly that feeling with spacenear.us
[14:32] <Professor> man, I had problems with the aprs guys
[14:32] <Professor> I used to use one of the databases but it was always broken
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[14:35] <DanielRichman> Question! (Help, please): http://gist.github.com/356335
[14:36] <DanielRichman> Could it be something to do with the fact that time_t is unsigned?
[14:37] <Professor> /2
[14:37] <Professor> heh
[14:37] <Professor> uh huh huh huh
[14:37] <Professor> you said penis
[14:37] <Professor> whoops, that was for window #2, sorry guys
[14:38] <jonsowman> :\
[14:38] <Professor> :-p. somebody said "happiness" and I couldn't resist.
[14:38] <Professor> good thing he didn't say "entertain us"
[14:38] <jonsowman> hahaa
[14:39] <fsphil> what's the problem DanielRichman?
[14:39] <DanielRichman> fsphil: see the link & comment at the bottom
[14:40] <jonsowman> fsphil: it's in a comment at the bottom of the gist
[14:40] <jonsowman> beaten to it.
[14:40] <fsphil> oh sorry, missed the comment
[14:40] <DanielRichman> You can try running the code; I might have just been hit by a cosmic ray. It's in my github master (danielrichman/dl_fldigi master)
[14:40] <DanielRichman> though you'd need to receive some data
[14:41] <DanielRichman> before rxTimer gets set
[14:44] <DanielRichman> Oh cr*p! fsphil jonsowman false alarm
[14:44] <DanielRichman> I've noticed it now.
[14:48] <fsphil> ah, your taking seconds from the timestamp and dividing my 60
[14:49] <DanielRichman> fsphil: I was dividing "now" by 60 rather than "delta" by 60
[14:49] <DanielRichman> hence the strange results
[14:49] <DanielRichman> fixed now
[14:49] <fsphil> yep .. didn't spot it right away
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[14:59] <M0DTS> Do you know what frequency the aprs was on?
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[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:05] <earthshine_> hi
[15:05] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[15:06] <M0DTS> One way of getting a signal across the atlantic without HF is to use a VHF/UHF beacon frequency which lies in the uplink band of the amateur satellites.. easy?!!
[15:06] <Randomskk> the satellites tend to move around a fair bit
[15:07] <Randomskk> then again I can't hear the 40m signal at all so
[15:07] <M0DTS> but you would get a good 10-15min coverage time which is better than nothing..
[15:07] <Randomskk> potentially true
[15:07] <M0DTS> every 90 mins
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[15:07] <Randomskk> requires circular polarised antennas and often some directivity in the opposite direction to where you normall aim though
[15:08] <jcoxon> okay i've updated spacenear.us with the pbh data
[15:08] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[15:09] <M0DTS> true but LOS so should not need anything special antenna wise.
[15:09] <fsphil> I've stretched out my antenna a bit, made it a proper dipole. noise has dropped at least
[15:10] <jcoxon> oops dirty last point
[15:10] <M0DTS> So we need someone in bermuda to get a position then?!
[15:10] <Randomskk> fsphil: is it 40m too?
[15:10] <Randomskk> what kinda antenna is it?
[15:11] <fsphil> nah, 20m
[15:11] <fsphil> I can hear morse though
[15:11] <fsphil> fading badly
[15:11] <fsphil> two 10 metre wires in either direction
[15:11] <Randomskk> and a balun?
[15:11] <fsphil> no balun
[15:11] <Randomskk> :o
[15:12] <fsphil> yep lol
[15:12] <fsphil> it's fine for RX'ing
[15:12] <fsphil> I'll get a proper one shortly
[15:13] <Randomskk> ohnoes failwhale
[15:14] <fsphil> haha, excellent timing
[15:15] <jcoxon> okay, nice and clean and up to date
[15:15] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[15:16] <fsphil> much better than their map
[15:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:17] <jcoxon> its not like we didn't design it for the job :-p
[15:17] <jcoxon> their telemetry format doesn't lend itself well to inputing it
[15:18] <jcoxon> is it checky to reply on twitter and point them to it?
[15:18] <jcoxon> cheeky*
[15:18] <Randomskk> do it anyway
[15:18] <Randomskk> however
[15:18] <Randomskk> 14:13:53 <Randomskk> ohnoes failwhale
[15:19] <jcoxon> oh yeah
[15:19] <jcoxon> silly twitter
[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
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[15:23] <edmoore> jcoxon: what's new?
[15:24] <jcoxon> pbh still flying though i haven't been able to decode any strings for a good while
[15:24] <jcoxon> they have been having issues with their map so i plotted the data onto spacenear.us
[15:25] <jcoxon> and have learnt lots of perhaps not how to do a trans-a :-p
[15:25] <jcoxon> on*
[15:26] <Randomskk> top tips?
[15:26] <Lunar_Lander> Twitter crapped out
[15:27] <edmoore> well, they'll get it right one day
[15:27] <edmoore> they'll have fostered enough innovation to ensure a success-oriented return for their stake-holders
[15:27] <sbasuita> why are the radio updates so infrequent?
[15:27] <jcoxon> i think that while it fine to rely on hams to contribute you need to get out there and organsie them
[15:27] <fsphil> organise them before the flight
[15:28] <jcoxon> as in if the 2 hams getting data were asleep then no one would be listening
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[15:28] <sbasuita> *cough*bh*cough*france ;P
[15:28] <jcoxon> but i appreciate this is a test flight and they ancipate that they'll get more help later
[15:28] <jcoxon> also you need to have a 'pr' team member
[15:28] <edmoore> if the end up linking to spacenear.us there should be a nice big ukhas logo/link at the top
[15:28] <jcoxon> edmoore, they won't though
[15:29] <jcoxon> they like to do it their way
[15:29] <jcoxon> sbasuita, pah when i did rally french hams it didn't go there :-p
[15:29] <jcoxon> and they were disappointed :-p
[15:29] <russss> maybe we should have a HAB listeners mailing list or something
[15:30] <sbasuita> a global launch announce list?
[15:30] <jcoxon> i think the biggest thing is to transmit for longer
[15:30] <edmoore> i guess outside help part of their long term synergistic schema
[15:30] <jcoxon> not just a single telem string but repeat it
[15:30] <edmoore> there is a gloabl mailing list already. all these things already exist. peeps just want to reinvent their own
[15:30] <Randomskk> go to a management conference in france or something edmoore? :P
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[15:31] <edmoore> Randomskk: check out the PBH website and you'll see what I mean
[15:31] <M0DTS> I only ever used to hear about the balloons via someone else until i found UKHAS yahoo group
[15:31] <Randomskk> edmoore: lol oh my
[15:32] <jcoxon> thinking towards atlantichalo its going to be a real challenge, fldigi is not up to decoding weak CW
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> so you couldn't track it jcoxon ?
[15:32] <M0DTS> DFCW like on LF bands... it is ok but needs long tx periods.
[15:32] <edmoore> Randomskk: this is how the flight computer is described: "Our design builds on past success while fostering innovation by utilizing the next generation Atmel XMega microcontroller."
[15:33] <edmoore> Randomskk: and this is their team page: http://www.prudential.co.uk/prudential-plc/aboutpru/ourpeople/structure/
[15:33] <Randomskk> why would they do that
[15:33] <edmoore> oh whoops sorry, this is their team page: http://www.projectbluehorizon.com/index.php?a=team
[15:33] <Randomskk> hahaha
[15:33] <fsphil> hehe
[15:34] <Randomskk> at least they have a mission statement
[15:34] Action: jcoxon thinks this is one of ed's pet hates
[15:34] <Randomskk> I think we should probably get one of those for cusf, maybe get some business cards printed with it on
[15:34] <Randomskk> :P
[15:34] <Randomskk> seriously look at those photos
[15:35] <fsphil> they look like bankers
[15:36] <Randomskk> "The Flight Computer will prove to be more than a one-year success. As BHC Air Segment requirements become more demanding, VXI's spare input/output lines on the Xmega microcontroller and reserved non-volatile memory accommodates future growth."
[15:36] <Randomskk> it's all like that
[15:36] <Randomskk> "The High Frequency (HF) communication system will facilitate long distance command and control between the Air and Ground Segments via Continuous Wave (CW also called Morse Code) protocol. Our solution provides improvements of greater range, higher reliability, and greater stability to help achieve our mission objectives."
[15:37] <Randomskk> it's worse than A-level design and technology coursework
[15:37] <Randomskk> much worse
[15:37] <edmoore> "Our mission is to rise above, take amateur ballooning to new heights, innovate, and learn." - this is so cheeky given how they are clearly not amateurs.
[15:37] <edmoore> sigh
[15:37] <edmoore> right cuppa team time
[15:37] <jcoxon> oh come on guys, if it helps them pass their cause
[15:37] <Randomskk> but they are all meng students
[15:37] <jcoxon> course*
[15:37] <Randomskk> if I had to write like that to pass my course I wouldn't have applied
[15:38] <Randomskk> a list of requirements and evaluations etc is all fine
[15:38] <sbasuita> how come ukhas isn't here? http://arhab.org/ARHABlinks.html
[15:38] <edmoore> Randomskk: yeah this is where it gets interesting. They are all MEng students, they are also all lockheed martin employees who have been sent on this course by lockheed martin as part of a training scheme, and all the money for this project comes from LM
[15:39] <Randomskk> ...
[15:39] <Randomskk> ho hum
[15:39] <jcoxon> sbasuita, no one has got round to posting it :-p
[15:39] <Randomskk> that perhaps explains all the corporate boilerplate
[15:40] <Randomskk> sucking up to their boss :P
[15:41] <edmoore> i'd quit if that level of nonsense was defined as 'good engineering'
[15:41] <Randomskk> quite
[15:41] <Randomskk> even CUER aren't anywhere near that bad
[15:41] <edmoore> jcoxon: re: http://spacenear.us/tracker/ - is the flat lining for lack of data?
[15:42] <edmoore> an annoying feature of google charts is the lack of actual data points
[15:42] <jcoxon> ummmm i may have to the time wrong on the latest point
[15:42] <jcoxon> as their telemetry doesn't include time
[15:42] <Randomskk> despite their being massive corporate whores http://www.cuer.co.uk/sponsors/ :P
[15:43] <Randomskk> jcoxon: what
[15:43] <Randomskk> interesting thing to not include
[15:43] <Randomskk> I guess you can have the radios add it, but
[15:44] <jcoxon> i'm amazed that people haven't come to the same conclusion as our 'ukhas standard'
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[15:45] <juxta> I agree, I dont see any reason to omit time
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[15:46] <edmoore> is there any kind of unique message identifier at all?
[15:46] <juxta> jcoxon: where was the last packet heard from?
[15:47] <edmoore> Randomskk: we do need a better site don't we
[15:47] <Randomskk> not if it means "like pbh" but otherwise yes
[15:47] <Randomskk> not really sure what we should do with it
[15:48] <Randomskk> more pictures, flickr and twitter feed, some info on the payloads?
[15:48] <jcoxon> edmoore, not that i can work out
[15:48] <Randomskk> right now a lot of the info is in the wiki
[15:49] <jcoxon> juxta, as in the receving station?
[15:49] <jcoxon> NY
[15:49] <edmoore> Randomskk: i mean in terms of presentation
[15:49] <juxta> jcoxon: yeah
[15:49] <juxta> ah alright
[15:49] <edmoore> a completely static front page is a bit 1999
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[15:49] <edmoore> should really have the news feed right there :)
[15:49] <edmoore> and feeds
[15:49] <Randomskk> it is not very 2.0y
[15:49] <edmoore> we basically need a blog
[15:50] <Randomskk> standard wordpress install perhaps with a 'page' homepage that includes twitter and flickr?
[15:50] <Randomskk> thing is would we write blog entries
[15:50] <edmoore> yep
[15:50] <sbasuita> how about a syndicator that mashes together a bunch of different hab streams
[15:50] <Randomskk> planethab
[15:50] <edmoore> it wouldn't be frequently updated but it would be more frequently updated than now
[15:50] <sbasuita> ie. everybody's project blogs, twitter, flicker etc
[15:50] <Randomskk> or maybe planetukhas or such but anyway
[15:50] <Randomskk> a planet
[15:51] <sbasuita> ooh planets ;
[15:51] <sbasuita> P
[15:51] <edmoore> and blog posts work nicely with feeds and being linked to other places and so on
[15:51] <Randomskk> true
[15:51] <edmoore> wordpress does caching and stuff now right?
[15:51] <Randomskk> it does indeed
[15:51] <Randomskk> quite successfully when enabled properly
[15:51] <edmoore> cool
[15:51] <edmoore> so we could still survive the odd slashdotting as before
[15:51] <Randomskk> yea
[15:52] <Randomskk> it'd basically be serving static html with the minimum of php execution and no db hits except for comments getting added etc
[15:52] <Randomskk> would need a theme or something
[15:53] <sbasuita> something like this would be cool http://planet.gnome.org/
[15:53] <Randomskk> or any of the planets, they are quite easy to set up I am told
[15:53] <edmoore> although haven't there been crazy power struggles on planet gnome?
[15:53] <sbasuita> power struggle?
[15:53] <sbasuita> over moderation?
[15:54] <edmoore> yeah
[15:54] <edmoore> well, inatentive moderation from the one bloke
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[15:56] <edmoore> spacenearus fail jcoxon
[15:56] <Randomskk> working here
[15:56] <jcoxon> hehe thats me testing stuff
[15:56] <jcoxon> fixed
[15:56] <jcoxon> edmoore, you need to checkout the new dl-fldigi
[15:56] <jcoxon> :-p
[15:57] <edmoore> link me up
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[15:58] <sbasuita> edmoore, git clone git://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi.git; cd dl-fldigi; autoreconf -fi; ./configure; make; src/fldigi --hab
[15:59] <edmoore> just the bin will be fine thanks
[15:59] <jcoxon> os x?
[15:59] <jcoxon> oh wait thats old
[15:59] <sbasuita> yeah there aren't any releases yet right?
[15:59] <jcoxon> i made one yesteday as a test
[15:59] <jcoxon> but then fell into the issue that you can't do commandline arguments with alias' on osx
[16:00] <Randomskk> how long are we expecting the pbh balloon to keep flying?
[16:00] <Randomskk> still can't hear anything here but might have better odds when it's a bit closer or propagation goes in my favour, not sure whether to keep the radio up
[16:00] <sbasuita> jcoxon, i think on github if you make a tag then it adds a tarball to your downloads
[16:00] <jcoxon> well at its current altitude, it'll stay up for the rest of the day
[16:00] <jcoxon> and maybe survive the night
[16:02] <jcoxon> sbasuita, yeah but i want to sort out the binaries as well
[16:02] <edmoore> Randomskk: what's your antenna?
[16:02] <Randomskk> a longish bit of wire out the window
[16:02] <jcoxon> as in on linux and windows we can have 2 icons, the second with --hab in the cmdline argument
[16:02] <jcoxon> however osx has no real feature for that
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[16:02] <jcoxon> might have to go for a shellscript disguised as an icon to open up the --hab version
[16:03] <fsphil> I've given up listening for pbh for now
[16:03] <fsphil> will try again later
[16:03] <jcoxon> yeah i should stop as well
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[16:15] <jcoxon> bbl
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[16:18] <Randomskk> you just missed him
[16:18] <edmoore> you just missed him
[16:18] <Randomskk> he saidi bbl
[16:18] <rjharrison> Coll
[16:18] <rjharrison> Cool
[16:18] <rjharrison> Just had a play with the new code
[16:18] <rjharrison> Awsume
[16:18] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[16:18] <fsphil> tis
[16:19] <Randomskk> edmoore: do you reckon just a standard wordpress install, wordpress user accounts for people likely to be writing blog posts, a homepage that has feeds from flickr and twitter, links down the side and then blog posts as we do stuff?
[16:19] <Randomskk> plus I guess a sponsors page and a link to the wiki, predictor and calc
[16:19] <edmoore> sounds about right
[16:20] <rjharrison> hehe we're all going to wordpress
[16:20] <rjharrison> www.robertharrison.org/icarus
[16:20] <Randomskk> besides being a gigantic security hole it is otherwise nice
[16:20] <rjharrison> juxta_'s horus page
[16:20] <rjharrison> Randomskk hehe
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[16:22] <sbasuita> how about providing hosting for individual projects
[16:22] <Randomskk> getting wordpress hosting is not hard
[16:22] <edmoore> we looked at wordpress one midnight session last year when ferg and I clean up our current web directory
[16:22] <edmoore> to little avail
[16:23] <Randomskk> were they any problems or just you didn't get round to doing it?
[16:23] <edmoore> oh Randomskk : I want to turn the launch announcements page into twitter
[16:23] <edmoore> it's crap as it is
[16:23] <Randomskk> I agree
[16:23] <Randomskk> as a separate twitter acct or as #cuspaceflight
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[16:23] <edmoore> but have a big orange box on the front page with the latest tweet inside
[16:23] <Randomskk> easily done
[16:24] <edmoore> with "LAUNCH TIMES SO PLEASE DON'T PHONE UP ED ASKING" above it
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[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:24] <Randomskk> can we put your mobile number on it too?
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> can I phone Ed?
[16:24] <edmoore> my mobile is already on our page
[16:24] <Randomskk> much to your delight
[16:24] <edmoore> for the reason of checking launch times
[16:25] <Randomskk> hehe
[16:25] <juxta_> hey Lunar_Lander
[16:25] <edmoore> i get about 2 or three 7am calls a week because of it
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[16:25] <Randomskk> hmm well I mean, we have a mysql database right?
[16:25] <edmoore> pilots don't do lie-ins
[16:25] <Randomskk> why are pilots calling about it?
[16:25] <edmoore> Randomskk: yep
[16:25] <Randomskk> ones flying over cambridge
[16:25] <Randomskk> ?
[16:25] <edmoore> do ask if we're flying anything
[16:25] <Randomskk> edmoore: do you have the details?
[16:25] <edmoore> part of the NOTAM
[16:25] <juxta_> I was reading your project page the other day - I have a friend who has just been working at MPI :)
[16:25] <Randomskk> edmoore: ah
[16:25] <Randomskk> isn't that the point of us calling in launches though
[16:25] <edmoore> Randomskk: for the cusf mysql?
[16:26] <Randomskk> edmoore: yea
[16:26] <edmoore> ask the sysadmins
[16:26] <Randomskk> okay
[16:26] <Randomskk> does the wiki use it?
[16:26] <edmoore> dokuwiki doesn't need mysql
[16:26] <edmoore> it's all stored as plain text
[16:26] <Randomskk> right, yea
[16:26] <Randomskk> does anything use it?
[16:26] <edmoore> i think the expenses page did
[16:26] <edmoore> but that's hardly the best feature in the worl either
[16:27] <edmoore> did = does*
[16:27] <edmoore> and the ill-fated forum did too
[16:27] <Randomskk> found them
[16:27] <sbasuita> Randomskk, re hosting: i meant something akin to the project pages on the wiki currently
[16:27] <jonsowman> hello all
[16:27] <Randomskk> cuspaceflight/mysqlconnect.inc.php
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[16:30] <Randomskk> well that was easy
[16:30] <Randomskk> http://cuspaceflight.co.uk/blog
[16:31] <Randomskk> by 'easy' I mean 'why is it not loading'
[16:31] <Randomskk> ah, now it is. perfect.
[16:35] <edmoore> the front page should perhaps feature the latest blog entry and a link to t'blog
[16:36] <fsphil> my last attempt at setting up wordpress was an epic fail
[16:37] <fsphil> you're doing well :)
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[16:37] <Randomskk> it is very easy these days
[16:37] <Randomskk> download zip
[16:37] <Randomskk> extract
[16:37] <Randomskk> go to website
[16:37] <Randomskk> tell it mysql details and blog name
[16:37] <Randomskk> done
[16:37] <Randomskk> installing wp-supercache now
[16:37] <fsphil> did that, themes buggered up big time
[16:38] <fsphil> wasn't interested enough to find out why at the time
[16:38] <fsphil> might give it another shot
[16:45] <rjharrison> woks fine for me
[16:45] <rjharrison> works
[16:45] <rjharrison> I'v given it a pretty good run for it's money too
[16:47] <edmoore> slashdot took you down for a bit, unles that was whilst you were switching over to wp
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[16:47] <Randomskk> rjharrison didn't have any caching enabled as I understand it
[16:47] <Randomskk> so each page hit was destroying mysql and php
[16:48] <edmoore> that's fine then
[16:48] <edmoore> would be nice if you could simulate being mobbed
[16:48] <Randomskk> there are ways
[16:48] <Randomskk> srcf would probably not be happy though
[16:49] <edmoore> they don't mind it if it's genuine traffic
[16:49] <edmoore> gives them something to do
[16:49] <Randomskk> yea
[16:50] <Randomskk> but it wouldn't be genuine, it'd be a few computers on the cudn running ab or something
[16:50] <edmoore> they put up with a lot anyway
[16:50] <edmoore> i've been streaming all my iplayer through pip whilst i've been in france (as ou need to be uk-based)
[16:51] <Randomskk> they are generally awesome
[16:51] <edmoore> i think their janet access is free to them anyway
[16:52] <Randomskk> that might be a fun way to get around my external data limits at college once I start nearing the 6gb/10 day thing
[16:52] <Randomskk> probably counts as abuse
[16:52] <edmoore> pff
[16:52] <edmoore> i do it
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[16:53] <edmoore> i have a copy of firefox with SOCKS already configured and going. I just ssh in and I'm away
[16:53] <Randomskk> I use foxyproxy basic for that
[16:53] <Randomskk> gives me an icon at the bottom
[16:53] <Randomskk> click to toggle direct internet vs socks5 through ssh
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[16:54] <Randomskk> same on google chrome actually
[16:54] <Randomskk> and I have .ssh/config setup so "ssh pip" connects to pip and sets up socks proxying on a local port automatically
[17:00] <edmoore> same :p
[17:02] <Randomskk> right, it has twitter and flickr on the sidebar too now
[17:02] <Randomskk> an actual theme, info pages and content etc can happen soon too
[17:03] <Randomskk> people should probably make user accounts to blog under
[17:04] <Randomskk> also setup akismet for antispam
[17:08] <Randomskk> there are obviously many many many available themes and we'd probably want to pretty them up with our own photos
[17:09] <jonsowman> looks good adam
[17:09] <jonsowman> :)
[17:09] <Randomskk> jonsowman: you say that but it is currently the default wp theme
[17:09] <jonsowman> lol i know
[17:09] <Randomskk> :P
[17:09] <jonsowman> that was more of a general "nice one"
[17:09] <Randomskk> a suitable distraction from actual work
[17:09] <jonsowman> so is anything
[17:09] <edmoore> I'm sort of of the opinion that just a general 'cusf' blog user would do the jon
[17:09] <edmoore> job*
[17:10] <Randomskk> in which case we may as well just use admin
[17:10] <edmoore> it's still just to be a low-ish volume way of having news, just one that's better than the current method
[17:10] <edmoore> right bbl
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[17:12] <Randomskk> and wordpress stats installed & enabled
[17:13] <jonsowman> supercache?
[17:13] <Randomskk> yup that too
[17:13] <jonsowman> have you already done that?
[17:13] <jonsowman> oh ok
[17:13] <jonsowman> wasnt watching earlier
[17:13] <Randomskk> supercache, twitter, flickr, stats
[17:13] <jonsowman> soz
[17:13] <Randomskk> still needs: theme, static pages
[17:13] <Randomskk> so like, sponsorchip, outreach, ..?
[17:14] <jonsowman> yup
[17:14] <jonsowman> erm
[17:14] <Randomskk> added a link to the wiki too
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[17:14] <Randomskk> perhaps a static page for projects
[17:15] <Randomskk> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/nova.php etc
[17:15] <jonsowman> yeh thats a good idea
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[17:27] <rjharrison> hey jcoxon had a play with the new code
[17:27] <rjharrison> Fantastic
[17:27] <jcoxon> rjharrison, got the latest latest?
[17:27] <rjharrison> Wondered for a while how to set the payload
[17:28] <rjharrison> Yep
[17:28] <rjharrison> git pull jc master
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[17:33] <Randomskk> oh hi
[17:34] <jonsowman_mob> on phone :)
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[17:58] <jcoxon> natrium42, !
[17:58] <natrium42> hi
[17:59] <jcoxon> is your HF rig functioning?
[17:59] <natrium42> yeah
[17:59] <natrium42> i had a listen yesterday
[17:59] <natrium42> got nothing
[17:59] <jcoxon> tis the world of HF, might have shifted :-)
[18:00] <fsphil> this for PBH?
[18:00] <natrium42> it's every 10 mins, right?
[18:00] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:01] <edmoore> i noticed the price of camembert cheese has changed in the last 5 hours which i think means that the lower end of the 40m band should be opening up
[18:01] <fsphil> I'm listening again now, just hear some voices nearby
[18:01] <fsphil> lol
[18:02] <jcoxon> nothing in pennsylvania
[18:02] <Randomskk> tee hee, ipad will it blend
[18:03] <Randomskk> spoilers: it will
[18:03] <natrium42> :)
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[18:04] <natrium42> grr, i can't zoom in via scroll wheel on their page
[18:04] <jcoxon> would be good to contribute some data
[18:05] <sbasuita> is it just me that doesn't have enough horizontal resolution to display all of the --hab gui?
[18:06] <natrium42> yes
[18:06] <Randomskk> well I am somewhat limited horizontally
[18:06] <Randomskk> only 3200px or so
[18:07] <sbasuita> there seems to be a squashed up bunch of stuff on the right
[18:07] <sbasuita> with overlapping text
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[18:07] <jcoxon> sbasuita, there is a chance of that
[18:07] <sbasuita> and i can only see a sliver of the reconfigure button
[18:07] <jcoxon> screenshot would be good
[18:07] <sbasuita> jcoxon, coming up
[18:07] <jcoxon> as i don't have a linux box
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[18:10] <rjharrison> jcoxon, sbasuita the autoreconfigure txt needs to shrink a bit autoconf?
[18:10] <jcoxon> thats what i was suspecting
[18:11] <sbasuita> http://ssb.anapnea.net/stuff/dl-fldigi_sshot1.png http://ssb.anapnea.net/stuff/dl-fldigi_sshot2.png http://ssb.anapnea.net/stuff/dl-fldigi_sshot3.png
[18:12] <sbasuita> jcoxon, it has all sorts of different behaviour depending on what size it was when you closed, how you resize it etc
[18:16] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/images/various/Screenshot.png
[18:16] <rjharrison> eee
[18:17] <sbasuita> btw i have 1024 horizontal pixels
[18:17] <fsphil> hmm I didn't try it on my eeepc
[18:17] <jcoxon> yikes
[18:18] <jcoxon> okay i'll have a play
[18:18] <jcoxon> custom box is perhaps a little bit anyway
[18:18] <jcoxon> big*
[18:18] <rjharrison> do the png's hrlp
[18:18] <rjharrison> help
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[18:24] <jcoxon> yeah they do
[18:25] <jcoxon> hey allenk any further CW?
[18:25] <allenk> jcoxon: where is the balloon now?
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[18:26] <allenk> conditions are bad here today for some reason
[18:28] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[18:28] <allenk> I think 7102 is below the LUF today
[18:28] <natrium42> jcoxon, ooh
[18:29] <jcoxon> might pick up this evening
[18:29] <jcoxon> natrium42, i hand inputed them
[18:29] <natrium42> you wrote a script?
[18:29] <natrium42> ah
[18:29] <natrium42> :D
[18:29] <jcoxon> nah
[18:29] <allenk> I mean, the ocean is a huge ass groundplane, and it's high in the air
[18:29] <natrium42> what's that zig-zag>
[18:29] <jcoxon> a mistake
[18:29] <natrium42> wrong order?
[18:29] <jcoxon> in their data
[18:30] <allenk> is it dropping altitude?
[18:30] <jcoxon> ooooo i think i might have found it
[18:31] <jcoxon> allenk, its gradually climbing currently
[18:31] <allenk> has gander or NY ATC said anything about it?
[18:31] <allenk> my antenna isn't good enough, or I'm not in a good enough area to get 40m from the east coast
[18:31] <jcoxon> allenk, haven't heard - they'll be in very close discussion with them
[18:32] <jcoxon> we had a meeting last summer with all the trans-a people about flight paths
[18:32] <allenk> I wanted to listen to NY ATC last night to see if they were talking about it
[18:32] <jcoxon> the conclusion was to wait a bit longer until the FAA were totally happy - guess they are happy now
[18:32] <allenk> I'm pretty sure it's too low now
[18:46] <natrium42> gonna have a listen
[18:46] <jcoxon> natrium42, i think i've got it
[18:46] <jcoxon> on a wav file
[18:46] <natrium42> global tuners?
[18:46] <jcoxon> to weak to decode but its still there
[18:46] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:47] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/misc/pbh10/1840.wav
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[18:48] <natrium42> neat
[18:48] <Randomskk> got a few blips
[18:48] <Randomskk> some tine just went up through the spectrum
[18:48] <Randomskk> tone*
[18:49] <jcoxon> natrium42, do you see the CW in that wav?
[18:49] <Randomskk> back to noise
[18:49] <fsphil> I get that too Randomskk
[18:50] <Randomskk> then descending just now
[18:50] <Randomskk> and back up again
[18:50] <Randomskk> < shapes
[18:50] <jcoxon> here it is
[18:50] <jcoxon> i can see the tune up
[18:50] <earthshine_> i can hear some tones in that wav
[18:51] <earthshine_> very weak
[18:51] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:51] <jcoxon> do people want me to keep posting them?
[18:51] <jcoxon> if anyone has windows and could running it through CWSkimmer that would be amazing
[18:51] <fsphil> I heard some people talking over the frequency just now
[18:52] <fsphil> no hints of any cw
[18:55] <allenk> SITOR on 7102 now
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[18:57] <allenk> echolink says it's "made on a mac"
[18:57] <allenk> but there's no osx version?
[18:57] <jcoxon> allenk, there is a mac version
[18:57] <jcoxon> i've got it installed here
[18:57] <allenk> oh, wrong channel, but anyways jcoxon: what's it called?
[18:58] <Randomskk> something that looked a lot like morse on the waterfall
[18:58] <Randomskk> stopped now though
[18:59] <jcoxon> echomac i think
[18:59] <jcoxon> Randomskk, the transmission is GPS dependent so its pretty exactly on the 10min mark
[18:59] <Randomskk> it's every 10min on the 10min?
[18:59] <Randomskk> so in about 5 sec?
[19:00] <Randomskk> abotu now
[19:00] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:01] <Randomskk> a lot of weird shit around 101.5 but nothing really on 102.8
[19:01] <natrium42> didn't hear anything on my rig
[19:01] <jcoxon> nothing much here
[19:02] <fsphil> S7 noise level
[19:02] <fsphil> bah
[19:02] <Randomskk> pft I have S9 noise atm
[19:02] <Randomskk> though that is w/ preamp
[19:07] <allenk> conditions are crap imo
[19:08] <Randomskk> are we hoping it'l get better as things get darker?
[19:08] <Randomskk> also as the balloon drifts further east
[19:08] <jcoxon> Randomskk, the grey line :-)
[19:08] <jcoxon> http://dx.qsl.net/propagation/greyline.html
[19:08] <jcoxon> thats when you are going to get it
[19:09] <Randomskk> little bit further
[19:09] <Randomskk> weird, same thing as I heard before
[19:09] <Randomskk> a few short tones
[19:10] <fsphil> I heard that too
[19:10] <fsphil> not morse though
[19:10] <Randomskk> no, not fast enough
[19:10] <Randomskk> really slow
[19:10] <Randomskk> looked like some were about three times as long as the others though
[19:11] <Randomskk> some random beeping now
[19:11] <Randomskk> might be talking if I wasn't on cw
[19:11] <fsphil> it's voice
[19:11] <Randomskk> yea
[19:11] <fsphil> I'm on the wrong usb mode, just sounds like gibberish
[19:11] <fsphil> ssb mode even
[19:11] <jiffe1> there been anything else on the quebec launch the other day?
[19:14] <natrium42> jcoxon, just requested launch authorization for May 8 :P
[19:14] <jcoxon> natrium42, for what!
[19:15] <natrium42> iridium test flight
[19:15] <jcoxon> oh okay
[19:15] <jcoxon> yay
[19:15] <jcoxon> radiometrix?
[19:15] <earthshine_> from where?
[19:15] <natrium42> that too
[19:15] <natrium42> ontario
[19:15] <earthshine_> cool
[19:15] <fsphil> there's those beeps again
[19:16] <jcoxon> any one good at CW by ear
[19:16] <earthshine_> CW?
[19:16] <Randomskk> fsphil: yup
[19:16] <fsphil> not CW
[19:16] <jcoxon> cause there is definitely data in this wav file
[19:16] <Randomskk> I got them a little bit later
[19:16] <Randomskk> I could do about 3/4 the letters at one point
[19:16] <Randomskk> but haven't practised in ages
[19:16] <Randomskk> voice again
[19:16] Action: jcoxon is going to email WB8ELK
[19:17] <jcoxon> for PBH-9 he could decode quicker then i could with cocoamodem
[19:17] <jcoxon> which imo is hte best decoder out there
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[19:17] <fsphil> not sure what language that voice is
[19:18] <natrium42> russian spy instructions?
[19:19] <fsphil> heh, it could be russian
[19:20] <rjharrison> propagation is about to get a whole lot better as the sun goes down
[19:21] <natrium42> :)
[19:22] <fsphil> has their frequency drifted at all?
[19:23] <jcoxon> fsphil, not that i can tell
[19:23] <jcoxon> i sometimes feel like the people in contact
[19:23] <jcoxon> just listening to noise looking for faint signals
[19:23] <fsphil> I wonder how they did that -- or is the effect less on these lower frequencies than 70cm
[19:24] <fsphil> you feel like jodie foster?
[19:24] <jcoxon> well its a 0.1% drift is a lot les
[19:24] <jcoxon> fsphil, not really
[19:24] <jcoxon> less*
[19:24] <jcoxon> :-p
[19:24] <fsphil> hehe
[19:24] <fsphil> good movie that
[19:25] <Randomskk> beepy again
[19:26] <jcoxon> will be back later this evening
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[19:28] <fsphil> very loud voice now
[19:29] <fsphil> propagation must be picking up
[19:29] <rjharrison> I think jcoxon would like to feel jodie foster :p
[19:36] <rjharrison> is there an aprs link for pbh
[19:37] <sbasuita> ooh oxford vs cambridge uni challenge final tonight
[19:37] <Randomskk> oho
[19:37] <Randomskk> I think we know who will win
[19:38] <sbasuita> ;P
[19:38] <sbasuita> are there any habbers from oxford?
[19:38] <sbasuita> people all seem to be with cusf
[19:39] <Randomskk> oxford aren't cool enough to do hab or something
[19:39] <Randomskk> I think Laurenceb went to oxford actually
[19:40] <jonsowman> Randomskk: hah
[19:40] <rjharrison> the pbh data looks scewed
[19:47] <fsphil> propagation is picking up, the voices are well above the noise now
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[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> that seems to be good
[19:53] <fsphil> noise level is now S8
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[20:12] <Randomskk> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9758
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[20:26] <jiffe1> so an aprs packet is just aprs info encapsulated in an ax.25 frame sent as a stream of bits, no stop bits or anything?
[20:30] <sbasuita> hmm... i got the question on linux XD
[20:31] <fsphil> they left out fedora .. hmpf ;-)
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[21:04] <Futurity> Hi no browser access here but managed to get irc working
[21:05] <Futurity> How did today's USA launch go?
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[21:12] <rjharrison> still going
[21:12] <rjharrison> 750 miles downstream
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[21:13] <fsphil> impressive
[21:13] <jcoxon> hey all
[21:13] <jcoxon> hows it going?
[21:13] <fsphil> re jcoxon
[21:14] <jcoxon> ?
[21:14] <Futurity> Wow fantastic. Location transmissions still being picked up?
[21:14] <fsphil> re == wb
[21:14] <rjharrison> pbh last updated 2 mins ago
[21:14] <jcoxon> time to getinto the fray
[21:15] <rjharrison> 17,200 m
[21:15] <jcoxon> anyone a member of globaltuners
[21:16] <Futurity> Very impressive. jcoxon will beat them soon I'm sure
[21:16] <jcoxon> Futurity, hehe i doubt that
[21:17] <jcoxon> i've only contribute 1 string
[21:18] <Futurity> jcoxon: Keep the dream alive.
[21:18] <jcoxon> ha
[21:18] <Futurity> Are they using a zero pressure balloon. The ones with an open end?
[21:19] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:20] <Futurity> I see so it'll float until the helium eventually escapes through the balloon skin?
[21:21] <jcoxon> well more likely it'll vent a little too much He and so will descend down and land in the sea
[21:22] <jcoxon> oops completely missed that pass
[21:23] <jcoxon> we should add nigh and day to the tracker
[21:23] <jcoxon> night*
[21:23] <fsphil> still nothing here
[21:23] <fsphil> unlikely that I will I think
[21:24] <jcoxon> i've updated http://spacenear.us/tracker
[21:24] <jcoxon> its certainly in range of bermuda
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[21:33] <Futurity> Still climbing. I take it that the initial spike in altitude was a clitch?
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[21:33] <jcoxon> no that was it descending over last night
[21:34] <Futurity> Oh I see and it's climbing again due to heat from the sun
[21:35] <Laurenceb> PBH in flight?!
[21:36] <Laurenceb> wow I misssed that with easter stuff
[21:36] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, suprise launch last night
[21:36] <Laurenceb> they have some distance to go
[21:36] <Laurenceb> to say the least
[21:37] <jcoxon> not sure how much of this is an attempt on trans-
[21:37] <jcoxon> a
[21:38] <rjharrison> james shall I remove the errant point
[21:38] <jcoxon> nah its okay
[21:39] <Laurenceb> wheres the altitude graph?
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> http://spacenear.us/tracker
[21:40] <jcoxon> that isn't very accurate
[21:40] <jcoxon> best look at their raw data
[21:41] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, http://www.projectbluehorizon.com/index.php?a=showuserpoints
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[21:44] <jcoxon> hmmm switched to dorset HF radio station
[21:44] <jcoxon> wow there is a lot of noise on the band
[21:44] <jcoxon> that the problem with 40m - so very crowded
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[21:44] <fsphil> yea
[21:45] <Randomskk> so http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9758 looks pretty nice?
[21:46] <Randomskk> -161dBm, 65ch, 1s hot start/29s cold start, 10hz, 3-5v operating, 33ma
[21:46] <jcoxon> but does it go over 18km?
[21:46] <Randomskk> I wonder if it says in the datasheet
[21:47] <jcoxon> claims OR in the datasheet
[21:47] <jcoxon> Operational Limits Altitude < 18,000m or velocity < 515m/s
[21:47] <Randomskk> only question is if they oopsied and ANDd it
[21:48] <edmoore> that would be a good oopsie
[21:48] <Randomskk> unlikely though
[21:48] <Randomskk> unfortunate
[21:49] <jcoxon> hehe finally cocoamodem can do ascii rtty
[21:49] <Laurenceb> what chipset?
[21:50] <jcoxon> after the dev distinctly told me that he'd never implement it
[21:51] <Laurenceb> I wouldnt trust the 10hz
[21:51] <Laurenceb> stick with ublox as you know what you're getting IMO
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[21:51] Action: Laurenceb has major screwed up his autopilot board
[21:52] <Laurenceb> no such thing as 5 pin molex connectors it seems
[21:52] <Randomskk> really?
[21:52] <Laurenceb> I cant find any
[21:52] <Randomskk> which molex ones, the 0.1"?
[21:52] <Laurenceb> they are pretty oversize anyway
[21:52] <Laurenceb> yes, poarized
[21:53] <Laurenceb> kind of screws up my layout
[21:53] <Laurenceb> seems only even numbers
[21:53] <Randomskk> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8230
[21:54] <Laurenceb> yes thats a tyco connector
[21:54] <Laurenceb> but maybe suitable, just too tall
[21:54] <Laurenceb> to be nice
[21:55] <Laurenceb> I'm looking at 2.5mm JST, but its too wide to fit - I end up jamming to gps, servo connectors and header together - just not enough width on the board
[21:55] <Randomskk> what about the 2mm jst?
[21:55] <Randomskk> (or is it 2.5? the normal one)
[21:55] <Laurenceb> 2mm is normal I think
[21:56] <Laurenceb> they do do 2.5mm, which is nice as you can hack on 2.54mm board to board stuff
[21:56] <Laurenceb> for <~8 pins
[21:56] Action: SpeedEvil is depressed at his GPS using 150mW
[21:56] <Laurenceb> so thatd be ideal... if it would fit - 14.9mm wide for 5 pins
[21:57] <Laurenceb> http://imagebin.org/91327
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> (n900)
[21:58] <Laurenceb> I5 pin connector at lower RHS
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[21:59] <Laurenceb> so has pbh made it through a night yet?
[22:02] <Laurenceb> oh hang on a minute - http://www.toby.co.uk/content/catalogue/products.aspx?series=AM254-xxS-010
[22:02] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, its day still
[22:02] <jcoxon> it was launched at night
[22:03] Action: Laurenceb dances about
[22:03] <Laurenceb> I see
[22:03] Action: Laurenceb loves toby.co.uk
[22:04] <Laurenceb> only 13.22mm wide
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[22:08] <fsphil> ooh never heard of toby
[22:09] <Laurenceb> indispensable if you want easy to find connectors
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[22:12] <russss> is PBH3 still afloat?
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[22:14] <jcoxon> russss, yup
[22:15] <russss> I should buy a scanner
[22:15] <russss> I guess I could try globaltuners or something
[22:16] <Laurenceb> actually rapid sell odd numbers - http://www.rapidonline.com/productinfo.aspx?tier1=Cables+%26+Connectors&tier2=Connectors+-+Multipole&tier3=PCB+Interconnect&tier4=2.54mm+Straight+header&moduleno=66415
[22:17] <jcoxon> russss, so i use globaltuners + soundflower + cocoamodem
[22:17] <jcoxon> :-p
[22:17] <russss> globaltuners confuses me
[22:17] <russss> how do I know that a station supports a given band
[22:17] <jcoxon> are you a 'normal' user?
[22:17] <jcoxon> you sort of don't
[22:17] <russss> I have an account
[22:17] <jcoxon> need to look at the radio types
[22:18] <jcoxon> i'm currently on Northwest Connecticut - General Coverage radio
[22:19] Action: russss listens in
[22:20] <jcoxon> bingo
[22:20] <russss> ah there it is
[22:20] <russss> pretty faint
[22:20] <russss> my limited morse skills require it to be a bit louder ;)
[22:20] <jcoxon> i've recorded it
[22:21] <jcoxon> then i run it through multiple times :-p
[22:21] <jcoxon> and then get wb8elk to decode it by ear
[22:21] <russss> I'm on linux
[22:21] <russss> dunno if there's a decent morse decoder
[22:21] <jcoxon> there is a good cmd line one
[22:22] <jcoxon> http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~ptdeboer/ham/rscw/
[22:22] <jcoxon> try that
[22:23] <russss> got the recording of the last one?
[22:23] <jcoxon> yup
[22:24] <jcoxon> one sec i'll post it
[22:26] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/misc/pbh10/2220.wav
[22:29] <jcoxon> 30 seconds to next telem
[22:29] <russss> wonder what's making the chirping
[22:30] <russss> even fainter this time
[22:30] <russss> seems like, anyway
[22:32] <jcoxon> its pretty weak
[22:32] <russss> weird, rscw won't compile, it almost seems like it's being case insensitive for variable names
[22:33] <jcoxon> hmmm its looks pretty old and v0.1
[22:33] <jcoxon> but it looked pretty good
[22:34] <jcoxon> on windows CWGet is pretty damn good
[22:34] <russss> I mean, I can fix it, but it's weird
[22:35] <russss> what's the current frequency?
[22:35] <russss> I'll try another one
[22:35] <jcoxon> 7.1028mhz
[22:36] <jonsowman> PBH still in the air?
[22:36] <russss> if it's in the water it's pretty waterproof.
[22:36] <jcoxon> nah its still flying
[22:36] <jcoxon> it could well survive the night
[22:37] <jonsowman> cool
[22:38] <M0DTS> The bits i could hear were "AGEV 33947" that i could make out by ear
[22:38] <jcoxon> M0DTS, good work
[22:38] <jcoxon> that would be latitude
[22:41] <M0DTS> have you got a good decoded line?
[22:41] <jcoxon> to compare to?
[22:42] <M0DTS> yes..
[22:42] <jcoxon> http://www.projectbluehorizon.com/index.php?a=decode
[22:42] <M0DTS> ok thanks.
[22:42] <jcoxon> also i've got a list of all the data points
[22:42] <jcoxon> okay the last transmission was late
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[22:51] <jcoxon> M0DTS, i reckon this telem string is decodable by ear
[22:51] <M0DTS> great
[22:51] <russss> rscw crashes, heh
[22:52] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/misc/pbh10/2250.wav
[22:52] <russss> was it on time this time?
[22:52] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:52] <russss> wonder why the time varied
[22:52] <russss> probably a bug I guess
[22:52] <jcoxon> temp?
[22:52] <russss> maybe the computer was busy doing something else
[22:54] <jcoxon> M0DTS, get it?
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[23:00] <M0DTS> yes got it.. qsb so working on it
[23:03] <jcoxon> got 2300 uploading now
[23:03] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/misc/pbh10/2300.wav
[23:04] Action: russss has got distracted by some crazy sounding speech
[23:04] <jcoxon> M0DTS, you can submit the decode: http://www.projectbluehorizon.com/index.php?a=contribute
[23:06] <M0DTS> Pretty sure we have N33881 for 2250
[23:08] <jcoxon> longitude?
[23:09] <jcoxon> russss, www.ele.uva.es/~jesus/rtty does cw
[23:11] <M0DTS> no longitude yet, favouring latitude so far
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[23:14] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/misc/pbh10/2310.wav
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[23:19] <fsphil> you all still receiving from the states?
[23:19] <jcoxon> yup
[23:19] <M0DTS> two of us working on it here now via 2m chat but no better results yet!
[23:20] <jcoxon> seen the latest files?
[23:20] <M0DTS> yes
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[23:21] <jcoxon> 2320 isn't great
[23:22] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/misc/pbh10/2320.wav
[23:23] <M0DTS> 2310 probably W6*446
[23:27] <jcoxon> :-)
[23:27] <jcoxon> its a challenge
[23:28] <M0DTS> 2320 N61394
[23:28] <M0DTS> no latitude yet
[23:29] <M0DTS> no longitude yet...oops
[23:35] <M0DTS> sorry last was Longitude W61394 = 2320
[23:36] <jcoxon> hmmm not sure what to do - whether they want half
[23:36] <jcoxon> maybe they can combine it with other rx'd data to make a whole string
[23:37] <M0DTS> no idea.. get an idea of where it is though 2310 was W61446 i believe.
[23:39] <M0DTS> Which online receiver are you using?
[23:39] <jcoxon> NW Connecticut Global Receiver
[23:39] <M0DTS> ok
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[23:40] <jcoxon> with 23:30 i can decode: K2RAM V N E3NIE EE E 5S
[23:40] <jcoxon> and now someone just hijacked my radio
[23:40] <DaveyC> hi everyone :)
[23:41] <jcoxon> M0DTS, have a look at 23:30 - shall we see if we can decode it all
[23:42] <M0DTS> ok
[23:43] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/misc/pbh10/2330.wav
[23:45] <fsphil> I wonder what kind of battery they're using
[23:45] <M0DTS> 2330 is weaker by ear to me..
[23:45] <jcoxon> hehe looks like its been decode already
[23:45] <jcoxon> http://www.projectbluehorizon.com/index.php?a=showuserpoints
[23:48] <M0DTS> aha i see
[23:48] <jcoxon> some one has hijacked the radio i was using
[23:49] <jcoxon> and tuned it to an AM HF station
[23:50] <M0DTS> not me.. not registered yet!
[23:50] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:50] <jcoxon> also i've found the guy who is submitting all the strings
[23:50] <jcoxon> and am listening to the radio he is on
[23:51] <jcoxon> i see why its coming through clear
[23:51] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:51] <M0DTS> haha
[23:51] <M0DTS> 60000feet now so pretty high
[23:53] <M0DTS> I'm off now, nite all.
[23:54] <fsphil> night
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[23:59] <fsphil> ah nuts, I dropped the breadboard with the module prototype, and now there's a short somewhere
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