highaltitude.log.20100403

[00:01] <fsphil> the place to setup user coordinates has gone?
[00:01] <fsphil> or am I just blind tonight
[00:01] <jcoxon> no its gone right now
[00:01] <jcoxon> haven't got round to implementing it
[00:01] <jcoxon> so its more like it was never there
[00:02] <jcoxon> :-p
[00:02] <jcoxon> the key is to select the payload from the drop down box and then press the autoreconfigure button
[00:02] <fsphil> there is no spoon
[00:02] <jcoxon> that'll grab and load up the correct xml
[00:02] <fsphil> is the payload list grabbed from a remote server?
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[00:03] <jcoxon> yes
[00:03] <jcoxon> the one it posts to
[00:03] <fsphil> might be worth having it default do the currently active mission
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[00:10] <fsphil> regarding the ssdv mode, I'm not sure that'll work. in theory it can sit on any mode that supports 8-bit data, not just rtty
[00:12] <jcoxon> for now though you planning to use rtty?
[00:12] <fsphil> yep
[00:12] <fsphil> keep things simple
[00:12] <jcoxon> if you look on --hab there is a rtty 50 hab settng
[00:13] <jcoxon> we can just make a ssdv setting with the current setup to easy use
[00:13] <fsphil> ah perfect
[00:14] <fsphil> could have that show/hide the window too
[00:15] <jcoxon> yeah
[00:16] <fsphil> though I suppose keeping it in the view menu is cleaner
[00:17] <jcoxon> i'd have it for both
[00:22] <jcoxon> hmmm if you use playback fldigi doesn't quit cleanly with me
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[00:24] <fsphil> fine here
[00:25] <jcoxon> hmmm osx issue then
[00:27] <fsphil> hehe, that really is slow. remind me loading games from tape.
[00:27] <jcoxon> sstv is much faster :-p
[00:28] <fsphil> I can make this faster again :)
[00:28] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:28] <jcoxon> fsphil, its very cool
[00:28] <fsphil> I think one of the MFSK modes would be better suited to it
[00:29] <fsphil> it'll only be cool if it works on the day ;)
[00:31] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:31] <jcoxon> i remeber the sstv payload
[00:31] <jcoxon> was so exciting seeing hte images come in line by line
[00:32] <fsphil> I can imagine
[00:33] <fsphil> if I had more time I might have tried sstv on this too
[00:33] <fsphil> though this will be better if it works
[00:34] <fsphil> at the very least it's been a good learning experience
[00:35] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:35] <jcoxon> got your head around fldigi
[00:36] <fsphil> tis my first c++ code, and first time I've properly used git
[00:37] <fsphil> still wish I understood the reed-solomon code though, it's way over my head
[00:38] <jcoxon> hehe i have no idea about that
[00:39] <fsphil> all I know is that it works :)
[00:39] <jcoxon> yeah it works great
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[00:39] <jcoxon> right have got the spliting up of the telemetry done
[00:40] <jcoxon> now need to set it up to select the various components depending on whats said in the xml
[00:40] <fsphil> does that mean the telemetry format is variable now?
[00:42] <jcoxon> the telemtry format has been variable for quite a while
[00:42] <jcoxon> it is defined by an xml file on the server
[00:42] <jcoxon> but the ukhas standard is suggested
[00:42] <fsphil> ah, I thought it was fixed and extra data was added to the last field
[00:43] <jcoxon> thats what we recommend but you can change a few things by doing the xml differently
[00:43] <fsphil> it's uploaded to the tracker in a standard format though?
[00:43] <jcoxon> its uploaded raw
[00:43] <jcoxon> well its a 2 step process
[00:43] <jcoxon> dl-fldigi uploads it to the listening server (raw)
[00:44] <jcoxon> this process it and then sends it to the tracker map
[00:44] <jcoxon> processess*
[00:44] <fsphil> so what your doing now is only for the local display?
[00:44] <jcoxon> yeah
[00:44] <fsphil> make sense now
[00:44] <jcoxon> say if you are cut off from the net
[00:44] <fsphil> +s
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[00:54] <fsphil> right, sleep. night all!
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[01:08] <jcoxon> wow i need to go to sleep eventually
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[09:10] <juxta> hey rjharrison
[09:10] <juxta> are you about?
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[10:22] <earthshine_> morning
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[11:40] <earthshine_> morning all
[11:42] <Laurenceb> hi
[11:43] <Laurenceb> MARVIN - Micro AeRial Vehicle Inertial Navigation
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> does it have diodes on the left side thougn?
[11:44] <Laurenceb> from the back it does
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[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[15:14] <SpeedEvil> o
[15:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello :)
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[15:28] <earthshine_> Weird
[15:29] <earthshine_> GPS Tracker is now reporting my location is about 30 miles South of where I am
[15:29] <earthshine_> clearly faulty
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[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:32] <Lunar_Lander> what could be the reason
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[15:52] <Futurity> Hi, has anyone considered using hydrogen as a cheap alternative to hydrogen? I know its not safe, but if that aspect could be fixed, would it be compatible with latex balloons or is the molecule size so small it'll escape through the balloon skin?
[15:55] <Hiena> No.
[15:55] <Hiena> The hydrogen filled balloons last at least three days.
[15:56] <Lunar_Lander> LOL: "Hi, has anyone considered using hydrogen as a cheap alternative to hydrogen?"
[15:56] <Lunar_Lander> sorry Futurity it is just the comedy of the situation
[15:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:56] <Hiena> If it handled with care, not more dangerous than any other pressurised gas.
[15:57] <Futurity> ooops alternative to Helium ;)
[15:57] <Futurity> Lunar: I deserved it ;)
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:58] <Hiena> The most about "how dangerous the hydrogen" comes from the missinterpreted news, and a bad scientific background.
[15:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:59] <Lunar_Lander> you have to have the right hydrogen-air ratio
[15:59] <Hiena> Just think about it: The zeppelins flowns more than 8 years long without accident on the transatlantic routes, whitout an accident.
[16:00] <Lunar_Lander> and all the Gas balloons
[16:01] <Hiena> The hydrogen at the most case just burn, but the most people remembers only the experiments from the chemistry classes.
[16:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:01] <Lunar_Lander> so we got four choices
[16:02] <Lunar_Lander> H2, He, CH4 and NH3
[16:02] <Hiena> Yup. I used "tons of " hydrogen from balloon hunting, through as the reduction agent, up to powering my car, without any "event".
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about CH4?
[16:03] <Hiena> Well, the most specific was a slight dent on the hood, when the stuff missfired and blowed off the air filter.
[16:04] <Futurity> yep
[16:04] <Hiena> CH4 easy to obtain, but not good as the He or H2.
[16:04] <Futurity> i've watched experiments live with hydrogen balloons. They do give off a bang, but they burnt from the outside in
[16:05] <Futurity> hydrogen air mix isn't so wise :)
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:06] <Lunar_Lander> and what about NH3?
[16:07] <Futurity> So i take it that its ok to fill a latex balloon with Hydrogen if you are just very careful not to get any air in there and also keep it away from heat / flame
[16:08] <Futurity> i guess that ideally you wouldn't want to be near the ballon when filling it with Hydrogen just in case
[16:08] <Hiena> Far too corrosive.
[16:09] <Hiena> Not to mention, i rather not mess with my lungs.
[16:09] <russss> it's really quite difficult to accidentally make an explosive hydrogen-air mixture.
[16:10] <Hiena> Specially, when you fills a fex qubic meter balloon.
[16:11] <russss> that said, I'd still argue that a weather balloon full of hydrogen is quite a dangerous thing. It would be interesting to test.
[16:11] <Hiena> It has lower inside pressure than a smaller ones.
[16:12] <Hiena> Not really if, you use a grounging cables.
[16:12] <Hiena> Khm...grounding.
[16:12] <Hiena> The chances of the ESD strike is similar with any other balloon.
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[16:13] <Futurity> are CH4 and NH3 also flammable. Not heard of them, will look them up
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:14] <Lunar_Lander> there was one manned NH3 ballon flight as far as I know
[16:14] <Lunar_Lander> *balloon
[16:14] <Futurity> yep now them by their names not the formulas
[16:14] <Futurity> are they any safer than hydrogen?
[16:14] <Futurity> i mean at the balloon filling stage
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[16:23] <Lunar_Lander> Ammonia is quite corrosive as Hiena said
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[16:30] <Rjharrison_> Hi all
[16:30] <Professor> howdy
[16:31] <Rjharrison_> Professor welcome to highaltitude
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[16:49] <Professor> thanks :) been here in the past tho
[16:49] <earthshine_> hi
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[17:27] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[17:27] <Lunar_Lander> hello jcoxon
[17:27] <jcoxon> hi Lunar_Lander
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> *-534"99"
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> afternoon even
[17:29] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:29] Action: SpeedEvil has been carrying around railway sleepers today.
[17:29] <earthshine_> why?
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> they are heavy.
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> lawn edging
[17:30] <earthshine_> fun
[17:30] <jcoxon> yay cambridge won the boat race
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> spent 2 weeks or so doing lawn stuff.
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[17:35] <jcoxon> hey rjharrison_
[17:35] <rjharrison_> hi jcoxon
[17:35] <rjharrison_> finally got on line in the lake district
[17:35] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:36] <rjharrison_> coverage is naff
[17:36] <rjharrison_> i
[17:36] <rjharrison_> did BB launch?
[17:36] <jcoxon> no
[17:36] <rjharrison_> never mind at least it's all set up for next time now
[17:37] <rjharrison_> and tested I think
[17:38] <rjharrison_> am I still connected?
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> no
[17:38] <jcoxon> wow apparently a record might have been broken today
[17:38] <rjharrison_> hehe thanks Spacor
[17:38] <rjharrison_> SpeedEvil,
[17:38] <rjharrison_> alt, duration ?
[17:38] <rjharrison_> pbh
[17:39] <jcoxon> VE2WMG-12 reported 131106 ft by APRS
[17:39] <rjharrison_> wow
[17:39] <jcoxon> however it seems that there may have been an issue
[17:40] <rjharrison_> like ignition ?
[17:40] <rjharrison_> Or bad data
[17:40] <jcoxon> as the bearing and speed stayed constant for a very long time
[17:40] <rjharrison_> humm so some bad gps data
[17:40] <rjharrison_> Be interesting to see if that counts
[17:41] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:41] <jcoxon> thats incredibly high
[17:42] <rjharrison_> jcoxon, if you get a sec the R4 interview was one of the better ones. I could even understand myself!
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> who is VE2WMG-12?
[17:43] <jcoxon> Ballon Radio Amateur du Qu?bec
[17:43] <rjharrison_> jcoxon, I'm pushing anyone here who looks like they are serious about launching in the uk
[17:43] <rjharrison_> so far about 2 people
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[17:45] <jcoxon> rjharrison_ sounds sensible
[17:46] <earthshine_> which 2 ?
[17:47] <rjharrison_> not sure of their handles
[17:47] <rjharrison_> I think we may have had a few more over the past week too
[17:48] <jcoxon> here is a question
[17:48] <jcoxon> on the new dl-fldigi there are special boxes displaying the parsed telemetry
[17:48] <jcoxon> there is time, lat, lon and altitude
[17:49] <rjharrison_> cool
[17:49] <jcoxon> i've also added a larger 'custom' box
[17:49] <jcoxon> now should i dump all the extra data there or just the actual custom data?
[17:50] <rjharrison_> all I think it would also be cool to give the direction and azimuth to look for the payload from your current position
[17:50] <rjharrison_> Let daniel figure that one out
[17:50] <jcoxon> putting all is a bit of a mess
[17:50] <jcoxon> but the data is clear
[17:50] <rjharrison_> ok cool
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> so to get this right
[17:50] <jcoxon> yeah yeah those features are coming...
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> somebody made the 40 km mark?
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[17:51] <jcoxon> i think thats just short of 40km
[17:51] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[17:51] <rjharrison_> Lunar_Lander, it may not count if the gps data wasn't consitant and there was no secondary meaure of altitude
[17:51] <jcoxon> it looks like it but the data needs to be checked and confirmed
[17:51] <rjharrison_> measure
[17:51] <jcoxon> you need a secondary measure?
[17:51] <Lunar_Lander> secondary measure = Pressure gauge?
[17:52] <rjharrison_> no but if the gps data is shagged it might be accepted if the abs pressure sensor continued to work
[17:53] <jcoxon> urgh pressure isn't going to be a good measure at that altitude surely
[17:53] <rjharrison_> no
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> thank god there are Pirani gauges
[17:53] <jcoxon> i'm not sure why everyone seems to be fussing over pressure sensors
[17:53] <rjharrison_> but indicative of rising or falling which may make the gps data more or less acceptable
[17:53] <jcoxon> they seem to be pretty rubbish
[17:54] <rjharrison_> personally I would say gps or nothing
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[17:54] <jcoxon> russss, hey, going to come along on tues to the space - fsa03 + atlas flight board is the job to do
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> the World Record list also talks about GPS
[17:54] <russss> jcoxon: ok cool
[17:55] <jcoxon> though i might get distracted by that G5
[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> are Pirani gauges difficult to make?
[17:55] <jcoxon> apparently its pretty easy to wire in an atx powersupply
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> did anybody hear about a "Philips Gauge"?
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> that is some kind of radioactive pressure sensor for extremely low pressures
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[18:16] <earthshine_> the only reason I have a pressure sensor on my payload is because I am sending up some Tardigrades on behalf of a friend as a science experiment
[18:17] <earthshine_> ti see how they cope with the near vacuum, low temperatures and extreme UV
[18:17] <earthshine_> so an idea of the pressure level is part of the experiment
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> everyone sends up Tardigrades today
[18:19] <earthshine_> so who made the 40m ?
[18:19] <earthshine_> 40km i mean
[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> somebody in Canada
[18:21] <earthshine_> an amateur ?
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon?
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[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> oh it's you MikeMc68
[18:58] <earthshine_> yep
[18:58] <earthshine_> always has been
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> ool
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> hi natrium42
[19:34] <natrium42> yo
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> if I may ask xD
[19:46] <natrium42> good, how are you?
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good too, thanks :)
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> somebody made the 40 km mark
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[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> did you hear that?
[19:56] <natrium42> yep, i read the backlog
[19:56] <natrium42> very cool
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> now the next thing is 45 km
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> I think
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> btw, congratulations to the lowest altitude world record holder
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> 8 ft
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> that is impressive
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:00] <natrium42> lol
[20:08] <jonsowman> that's not really a flight is it
[20:08] <jonsowman> that's more of a throw
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
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[20:20] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander, i can 1up it easily anyway
[20:20] <natrium42> just throw a payload down a cliff
[20:20] <natrium42> resulting in negative altitude
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah we should do that
[20:25] <jonsowman> anyone got a link to the checksum stuff on the wiki?
[20:25] <jonsowman> my google skills are lacking this eve
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[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil
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[21:30] <fsphil> hiya Lunar_Lander, how's things?
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> great and you :)?
[21:31] <fsphil> pretty good, had a nice quiet day
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> like here
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil I heard that somebody made the 40km Mark
[21:35] <fsphil> oooh who?
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> somebody from Quebec
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[21:51] <jiffe99> wow thats pretty cool
[21:52] <jiffe99> both the 40km and the 8ft :)
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[21:53] <natrium_> Lunar_Lander, got a link?
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> to the altitude record?
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> I only have this
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> (18:38:09)<jcoxon>VE2WMG-12 reported 131106 ft by APRS
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[21:56] <jcoxon> evening
[21:56] <natrium_> hmm 39961 m
[21:56] <natrium_> yo jcoxon
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> right on time! :)
[21:57] <jcoxon> urgh, fsphil is that you pushing hadie data into the server?
[21:57] <fsphil> ack, sorry
[21:57] <jcoxon> hehe, looks awful :-p
[21:58] <fsphil> yea
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[21:58] <jcoxon> as you don't have an xml its not decoding it
[21:58] <fsphil> prototype :)
[21:58] <jcoxon> when you do want one written just shout
[21:58] <fsphil> will do
[21:58] <fsphil> offline mode now, is it still appearing?
[22:00] <jcoxon> nope
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[22:01] <fsphil> could you see if the checksum was fine?
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[22:04] <jcoxon> fsphil, run it through a nmea checksum calculator
[22:04] <jcoxon> hmmm zeusbot is failing
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon does the guy from Quebec have a website?
[22:05] <jcoxon> no idea, heard about this on the grapevine
[22:05] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, if you go to http://aprs.fi and enter in that callsign you can see the flight path
[22:07] <natrium_> so who is launching next week?
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> thank you jcoxon
[22:12] <jcoxon> natrium_, well rjh has a payload and so do danielrichman and co
[22:12] <natrium_> somebody better be launching!
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> the next milestones are 48.5, 51.2 and 53 km
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> oh yea and to get under 8 ft too
[22:13] <natrium_> interesting numbers
[22:13] <fsphil> i can do that one :)
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> 53 km is the actual unmanned balloon world record held by Japan
[22:13] <natrium_> limbo?
[22:13] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, yeah but they specially made the balloon
[22:14] <jcoxon> no chance of that
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> I know
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> that superthin film you mean?
[22:14] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> the 51.2 mark was a Winzen balloon in 1972
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> I asked at NASM if they have something in their archive on that
[22:15] <natrium_> yes, but my helium gas made it much higher
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[22:15] <natrium_> some of it actually escaped earth :P
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> NASM's archive was a great help getting info on stratosphere flights
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[22:19] <jcoxon> natrium_, when are you going to launch? :-p
[22:20] <natrium_> uhm
[22:20] <natrium_> RealSoon(TM)
[22:20] <jcoxon> oh and according to the predictor let weekend is looking good
[22:21] <jcoxon> next*
[22:21] <natrium_> indeed
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFJkmStyBh4
[22:22] <natrium_> lolwat
[22:23] <natrium_> Lunar_Lander, but can you explain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSwJ2rjUSdc
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> that was before my time
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> I was about minus 8 years old there
[22:23] <natrium_> how old are you?
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> I'm 20
[22:24] <natrium_> ah
[22:24] <natrium_> i was like 1 year old
[22:24] <jcoxon> natrium_, you 21?
[22:24] <natrium_> 26
[22:24] <jcoxon> oh right
[22:24] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:24] <natrium_> :P
[22:24] <jcoxon> and oldie then
[22:25] <jcoxon> :-)
[22:25] <natrium_> hehe
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[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjcR30j2Pzo
[22:30] <natrium_> lolwat
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> she was supposed to pose with the Johnny Depp model
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> and she was asked to laugh and to pose
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> and that was the result :)
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[23:24] <jcoxon> night all
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[23:34] <earthshine_> What does she say? I don't get it
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[23:47] <Laurenceb> hi
[23:47] <Laurenceb> rjharrison: how did R4 go?
[23:48] <SpeedEvil> iplayer
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