highaltitude.log.20100401

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[00:08] <SpeedEvil> sure it wasn't the rolling shutter on cam?
[00:08] <fsphil> lines appeared even if the LEDs where hidden
[00:09] <fsphil> noise on the power supply I think
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[00:15] <rebroad> hi
[00:16] <fsphil> How do I merge jcoxon's branch into my own fork?
[00:16] <fsphil> hiya rebroad
[00:17] <Randomskk> fsphil: depends if you have jcoxon's as a remote yet
[00:17] <Randomskk> assuming not:
[00:17] <Randomskk> git remote add jamescoxon git://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi.git
[00:17] <Randomskk> git fetch jamescoxon
[00:17] <Randomskk> git merge jamescoxon/master
[00:18] <Randomskk> to be done while you're at the tip of your branch and no local modifications or staged changes
[00:18] <fsphil> perfect, thanks Randomskk
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[00:18] <Randomskk> that will most likely create a merge commit which is the one that combines your two branches
[00:19] <Randomskk> alternatively you could rebase your branch so that all your commits act on top of jcoxon's latest
[00:19] <Randomskk> and then it would just fast forward onto jcoxon's master
[00:19] <Randomskk> but that's a bit more complicated
[00:19] <fsphil> yea that's outta my comfort zone right now :)
[00:19] <fsphil> what's the difference between a fetch and a merge?
[00:20] <Randomskk> fetch just downloads the latest commits and pointers (tags, branches, etc) from that repository
[00:20] <fsphil> (I know i could find this all out with google, sorry)
[00:20] <Randomskk> merge merges the specified pointer (in this case the tip of the master branch of that repo) into your current rbanch
[00:20] <Randomskk> you can combine the two with 'pull', e.g. 'git pull jamescoxon master'
[00:21] <fsphil> so pull == fetch + merge
[00:21] <Randomskk> yes
[00:21] <Randomskk> sometimes you just want to fetch, or you want to do a complicated merge, so it makes sense to split them
[00:21] <Randomskk> other times it's a simple matter and a straightforward merge or even fast-forward, and in that case pull works fine
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[00:26] <fsphil> right, that's enough hacking tonight. night all!
[00:26] <Randomskk> night
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[00:45] <ProjectCirrus> payload space is going to be TIGHT
[00:46] <ProjectCirrus> at least the components will keep each other warm
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[02:17] <ProjectCirrus> night all
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[08:36] <earthshine> morning
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[10:15] <rjharrison_work> hey juxta_ did you get that email
[10:15] <juxta_> hey rjharrison
[10:15] <juxta_> the one you sent on to 7 network with my details etc?
[10:16] <rjharrison_work> yep
[10:16] <chembrow> hi, I'm looking at getting a radio, looking for either a Yaesu FT-790R or AOR8000, based off the recommendations on ukhas. was hoping someone could answer a few questions I have?
[10:16] <juxta_> rjharrison: yup, got it, cheers :)
[10:16] <juxta_> sure chembrow, someone will be able to help out, ask away
[10:16] <chembrow> thanks. aside from the lack of transmit, are there any disadvantages to the AOR?
[10:17] <chembrow> I ask as it seems to be available a little cheaper
[10:18] <juxta_> it might be a little less sensitive than the yaesu, but pprobably not too much of an issue
[10:18] <chembrow> cool, thanks. I assume that either radio can handle APRS on the appropriate band?
[10:18] <juxta_> you can pickup suitable radios quite cheaply usually, where are you located?
[10:18] <chembrow> I'm in stoke. been looking on ebay
[10:19] <chembrow> I'm totally new to radio, but I've wanted to launch a balloon since I first saw one on the web several years back
[10:19] <juxta_> I picked up an icom 490A very cheaply
[10:19] <juxta_> would be less than 200USD for sure
[10:19] <chembrow> but I know a reasonable amount about electronics and a lot about programming
[10:20] <chembrow> should probably elaborate, that's Stoke UK :)#
[10:20] <juxta_> then you could also look at things like the icom ic-r10, which you could probably get cheaper again
[10:21] <chembrow> cool, thanks. will see what I can find
[10:22] <chembrow> both of those icom's handle SSB I presume?
[10:22] <juxta_> yep
[10:23] <chembrow> thanks again. that gives me a bit more of a list to pick from now
[10:23] <juxta_> no worries
[10:23] <juxta_> generally scanners are not quite as sensitive as full blown transcievers I think
[10:23] <juxta_> but it shouldnt be the end of the world usually
[10:24] <juxta_> ive used the 490 and an rc10 successfully :)
[10:24] <tty2> anyone on here near philadelphia?
[10:27] <junderwood> AOR8000 has pretty good sensitivity in the 70cm band (claimed 0.25 uV SSB). It's a wide band scanner which means you can't transmit but you're not limited to amateur bands.
[10:27] <junderwood> You do need an external antenna with the AOR8000. The supplied antenna isn't up to balloon tracking
[10:34] <earthshine> How sensitive is it comparted to an FT-790R though?
[10:34] <chembrow> thanks junderwood.
[10:35] <junderwood> earthshine, I don't have the FT-790R manual
[10:35] <chembrow> I figured I'd need a decent antenna (yagi?) with either radio to track balloons launched in cambridge from stoke
[10:35] <junderwood> Probably
[10:36] <junderwood> and you have the Penines in the way so you won't pick it up until it gets relatively high
[10:36] <earthshine> so sensitivity will be an issue from that distance
[10:36] <earthshine> the more sensitive the better
[10:36] <earthshine> plus a good high yagi
[10:37] <chembrow> I wanted to get some experience tracking others balloons while I worked on my own payload
[10:39] <earthshine> so you'll need as sensitive a receiver set-up as you can get
[10:39] <earthshine> personally i don't think the AOR will cut it
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[10:40] <chembrow> thanks earthshine. that's what I was trying to ascertain. Guess I'll hold out for at ft-790r at a reasonable price
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[10:50] <earthshine> I got mine second hand for £110
[10:51] <junderwood> If the AOR is cheaper I wouldn't discount it. I've picked up signals as far as Holland / France with a home-made 7 el Yagi.
[10:52] <chembrow> I guess it comes down to price then, and what comes available.
[10:54] <chembrow> thanks for all the input/advice. Time to do some work now :)
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[13:29] <rjharrison_work> Hey DanielRichman how's it going
[13:29] <rjharrison_work> You guys all set for launch
[13:29] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_work, you bet
[13:30] <DanielRichman> though the wx is bad
[13:30] <DanielRichman> and alex is going on holiday :P
[13:30] <rjharrison_work> Yep I'm waiting for a window too
[13:30] <DanielRichman> I've got all the stuff
[13:30] <rjharrison_work> It's going to be raining HAB on the next good wx day
[13:33] <DanielRichman> :D
[13:33] <DanielRichman> we could have a race
[13:35] <rjharrison_work> jcoxon has been very quiet recently
[13:35] <rjharrison_work> I think he's got a lot of work on ATM
[13:36] <DanielRichman> yes. last I heard was at midnight; something about goin on a very long car journey
[13:37] <DanielRichman> Who here is on a mac?
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[18:49] <earthshine> me
[18:52] <fsphil> you
[18:58] <sbasuita> = better equation
[18:58] Action: jonsowman wonders what's going on
[18:58] <Randomskk> maths
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[18:59] <jcoxon> i've utterly broken my local git repo
[18:59] <earthshine> and music
[18:59] <Randomskk> jcoxon: how so?
[19:00] <jcoxon> is there a way to start again
[19:00] <Randomskk> also handily you can always just clone from the github repo
[19:00] <jcoxon> oh okay
[19:00] <fsphil> yea it's handy as a backup too
[19:01] <jcoxon> hmmm so danielrichman's master is the latests stable
[19:01] <jcoxon> so i really want to grab that
[19:01] <DanielRichman> yeah I merged a tonne of shazzle
[19:01] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, and fixed those two segfaults (the second one wasn't actually my fault)
[19:01] <Randomskk> clone from yours
[19:01] <Randomskk> so it's origin
[19:01] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, and I found out what was causing the first.
[19:01] <Randomskk> then add his, fetch and merge
[19:01] <Randomskk> by the way what'd you do to yours?
[19:02] <DanielRichman> have you comitted your mess?
[19:02] <jcoxon> ummm i lost track of what went wrong
[19:02] <jcoxon> but then i followed various guides and broke it even more
[19:02] <Randomskk> nice
[19:02] <DanielRichman> ubuntu?
[19:02] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:02] <Randomskk> but yea, the github repo is a perfect copy
[19:02] <DanielRichman> put it in the wastebasket so you can get it back if you need it;
[19:02] <Randomskk> except it won't have your remotes
[19:02] <DanielRichman> git init
[19:03] <Randomskk> just git clone
[19:03] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, i think you've fixed the issues i had originally
[19:03] <DanielRichman> git remote add github (your git url)
[19:03] <DanielRichman> git pull github master
[19:03] <DanielRichman> git pull (my master)
[19:03] <Randomskk> eh, or that, but if you clone from the starat it'l already add it as origin
[19:03] <DanielRichman> true
[19:03] <Randomskk> git remote add danielrichman (his url)
[19:03] <Randomskk> git fetch danielrichman
[19:03] <Randomskk> git merge danielrichman/master
[19:03] <DanielRichman> You and your fetch
[19:03] <Randomskk> I know right
[19:03] <jcoxon> okay where do i start - git clone?
[19:04] <Randomskk> yea
[19:04] <jcoxon> make a new folder first?
[19:04] <Randomskk> no need
[19:04] <DanielRichman> git clone git@github.com:jamescoxon/dl-fldigi.git ?
[19:04] <Randomskk> yea
[19:04] <DanielRichman> (then cd into it?)
[19:04] <Randomskk> yea
[19:05] <DanielRichman> git pull git://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi.git
[19:05] <DanielRichman> job done :P
[19:05] <DanielRichman> autoreconf -fi && ./configure && make -j3
[19:05] <Randomskk> personally I'd add danielrichman as a remote so you can do it quicker in the future but you can do a direct pull from the url too
[19:05] <DanielRichman> (cores depending)
[19:05] <Randomskk> well no, you'll need 'master' at the end of that url surely?
[19:05] <DanielRichman> whoops
[19:05] <DanielRichman> that'st rue
[19:05] <DanielRichman> <DanielRichman> git pull git://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi.git master
[19:05] <DanielRichman> and at the end of the clone as well?
[19:06] <Randomskk> not needed at the end of clone
[19:06] <Randomskk> clone copies repo, so includes all branches and goes to master by default
[19:06] <DanielRichman> ah, OK
[19:06] <DanielRichman> bbiab; have fun
[19:07] <jcoxon> bbl
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[19:07] <fsphil> git is fun
[19:08] <fsphil> it's growing on me, though it does occasionally explode in my face
[19:09] <DanielRichman> originally I preferred svn, but now I have seen the light
[19:09] <DanielRichman> also, compared to git, bzr is so *slow*
[19:09] <Randomskk> that was my issue with bzr
[19:10] <Randomskk> I hear hg is okay but I like and know git and hg doesn't seem to have any advantages even if it's just as good
[19:10] <Randomskk> also github is nice
[19:10] <DanielRichman> definitely
[19:26] <sbasuita> i think git could be far more user friendly
[19:26] <Randomskk> eh
[19:27] <Randomskk> I think some concise tutorials and docs that really explain how it works would mostly suffice
[19:27] <Randomskk> or perhaps an epic gui
[19:27] <Randomskk> once you get that it's just a lot of commits, each has a parent and that there are fancy ways of referring to any given commit, you're pretty much set
[19:27] <sbasuita> right but the program itself could do with some polish
[19:28] <sbasuita> in terms of interface
[19:28] <Randomskk> I guess
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[19:35] <DanielRichman> I swear the behaviour of the github network graph just changed
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[20:14] <sbasuita> HOLY CRAP - the predictor is relenting! http://www.srcf.ucam.org/cuspaceflight/hourly-predictions/
[20:17] <jonsowman> sbasuita: yay
[20:18] <jonsowman> looking forward to launching?
[20:19] <DanielRichman> nononoononononononononono
[20:19] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, this is not good
[20:19] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: why?
[20:20] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton is on holiday for a week
[20:20] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, he's always on holiday....
[20:20] <jonsowman> oh i see
[20:20] <DanielRichman> If we have all our good weather in that one week... :X
[20:20] <sbasuita> lol don't use up all the good weather at once
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[20:42] <DanielRichman> Attempt no2 at putting wire into the slim-jim-pvc-pipe: http://picasaweb.google.com/danieljonathanrichman/201003#
[20:42] <DanielRichman> (last two photos; the three before are the first attempt)
[20:43] <DanielRichman> generally much better though in order to get the wire straight it's under pressure; think it might be bending the pipe
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