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[09:07] <Fat42> hi juxta
[09:13] <juxta_> hey Fat42
[09:14] Action: juxta_ is about to step out for dinner
[09:14] <juxta_> back in a little while
[09:16] <Fat42> i be here
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[09:53] <earthshine_> morning
[09:59] <Fat42> it is
[10:02] <earthshine_> indeed
[10:04] <Fat42> wet?
[10:05] <earthshine_> This is England
[10:05] <earthshine_> it's always wet
[10:06] <Fat42> could be worse
[10:09] <Fat42> could be in wales
[10:15] <GW8RAK> It's not too bad today. Just a bit damp.
[10:18] <earthshine_> Did anyone get to the bottom of the problem with wb8elk's flight path?
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[11:26] <juxta_> hi all
[11:26] <juxta_> still about, Fat42?
[11:27] <Fat42> sort of
[11:28] <Fat42> ur melborne/taz way?
[11:33] <juxta_> today I am :)
[11:33] <juxta_> I live in Adelaide usually Fat42, but in Melb right now
[11:35] <Fat42> how come u know bout rtty etc...?
[11:36] <juxta_> I've launched a couple of balloons and used RTTY for communications
[11:41] <earthshine_> \o/
[11:41] <Fat42> what on board setup?
[11:42] <earthshine_> \¦/
[11:47] <Fat42> but now i gotta go.
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[12:35] <Laurenceb> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=2622557&k=bmp085
[12:37] <Laurenceb> not a horrible price IMO - still wating for spark to make a board
[12:37] <Laurenceb> I'm interested in investigating drift
[12:43] <Laurenceb> - the datasheet doesnt have a huge amount of info - still not sure if its good enough for airspeed
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[12:48] <earthshine_> afternoon
[12:50] <Laurenceb> hi
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[13:12] <Laurenceb> http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/index.php?title=Quick_FAQ
[13:13] <Laurenceb> am I reading that right - price is the total for 10pcs or whatever - not per board
[13:23] <earthshine_> Yeah that's how I read it
[13:25] <Laurenceb> very good then
[13:27] <Laurenceb> ,Peter wants to make 20 PCB boards at 7x5cm,2 layers with red color. The cost for him would be: 50USD(basic cost)+20USD(extra 10pcs)+10USD(red pcb)=80USD.
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[13:28] <earthshine_> yep
[13:28] <rharrison> Hi all
[13:29] <rharrison> Right have finished in the media spotlight time to get back to habing
[13:30] <earthshine_> About time too
[13:30] <earthshine_> We thought you were about to start appearing on the red carpet of film premieres
[13:30] <rharrison> Yep I have so much real work to do too
[13:31] <rharrison> I finished up this morning with CNN 30 mins ago
[13:31] <SpeedEvil> CNN?
[13:31] <rharrison> They gave me 10 mins which was nice and I pushed the American HABers like Bill Brown who have been doing this for 20 odd years
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> insane!
[13:32] <rharrison> Yep
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> :)
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> ok - You've had your 15 mins of fame I guess.
[13:32] <rharrison> SpeedEvil, http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/category/the-teaser/ See the 7:40 teaser for today. The broadcast should be out later.
[13:33] <rharrison> SpeedEvil, I think I have :)
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> website still totally melting?
[13:33] <rharrison> No well it wasn't before cnn
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[13:34] <rharrison> SpeedEvil, Can you have a quick check for me on www.robertharrison.org/icarus
[13:35] <rharrison> I can't test from here as I'm connected via local network
[13:36] <earthshine_> So when is Icarus IV Rob ?
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[13:38] <N900evil> wfm
[13:38] <N900evil> sigh. phone gets laggy when into swap - closed wrong window
[13:38] Nick change: N900evil -> SpeedEvil
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> (8 windows open)
[13:50] <rharrison> earthshine, I'm still yet to launch Icarus III
[13:54] <earthshine_> Ahh I read the numbering wrong
[13:55] <earthshine_> So I mean Icarus II Launch 3 or Icarus IV Launch 1
[13:55] <earthshine_> whatevers next basically
[13:56] <jonsowman> rharrison: link works
[13:56] <jonsowman> redirects to http://www.robertharrison.org/icarus/wordpress/?page_id=2
[13:57] <jonsowman> i assume that's correct?
[13:59] <rharrison> jonsowman, Thanks
[13:59] <rharrison> Appreciate that as I can't test from here
[13:59] <jonsowman> rharrison: no problems
[13:59] <jonsowman> rharrison: if you're going to get a lot of traffic, have you looked at wp-supercache?
[14:00] <rharrison> CNN are about to put the article online in the next hour so I'm expecting a few hits
[14:00] <jonsowman> it'll reduce load on the server significantly
[14:00] <rharrison> jonsowman, I think I have it installed correctly
[14:00] <jonsowman> ah right, great :)
[14:01] <rharrison> Well I don't get any boxes coming up on the config pannel warning me that something is wrong :)
[14:02] <jonsowman> seems to be working, will verify HTTP headers for you if you want
[14:03] <jonsowman> yup
[14:03] <jonsowman> working
[14:03] <jonsowman> WP-Super-Cache: WP-Cache
[14:04] <jonsowman> that http header = working supercache
[14:12] <rharrison> Cool thanks again
[14:21] <jonsowman> site looks good btw
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[14:29] <rharrison> hey juxta_ any calls
[14:29] <rharrison> Perhaps you should give sunrise a call
[14:37] <Daviey> sun-a-rise early in the morning
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[15:42] <jonsowman> any recommendations on mobile phones with real UARTs?
[15:42] <jonsowman> what have people used?
[15:45] <epictetus> some of the collaborators who share my cellbots.com blog do some modification to android G1s to put in a real serial port.. I also know certain Nokia models you can purchase a cable but a lot of newer ones don't...
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[15:45] <epictetus> I have ended up using bluetooth instead because it is way easier and virtually all modern phones have it but a bluetooth radio is $60
[15:46] <epictetus> bluetooth->serial adapter
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[16:08] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/7uBX6.png
[16:09] <Laurenceb> finished XD
[16:09] <jonsowman> Laurenceb: nice
[16:10] <Laurenceb> think I'll add M3 holes on little tabs off the corners
[16:10] <Laurenceb> so you can chop them off if not wanted
[16:11] <juxta_> rharrison_: still about?
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[16:13] <rharrison_> juxta_, yep
[16:13] <rharrison_> How you donig
[16:14] <juxta_> not too bad, sorry about before, I was just in a cafe looking up accomodation for the next few days :)
[16:14] <juxta_> I've not heard anything - I will give the 7 network a call tomorrow though perhaps
[16:14] <juxta_> (7 host sunrise)
[16:17] <rharrison_> Cool
[16:17] <rharrison_> Yep I would and send them your best image
[16:17] <rharrison_> That one on the website looked good
[16:18] <rharrison_> Perhaps they might even film a launch
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[16:44] <earthshine> afternoon everyone
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[16:51] <earthshine> 2
[16:52] Action: jonsowman pokes zeusbot
[16:52] <jonsowman> yo edmoore
[16:52] <edmoore> hi
[16:52] <jonsowman> he was around here earlier but his nick was rharrison
[16:52] <edmoore> ok, not to worry. missed a couple of calls from his as i've been in the batcave
[16:52] <jonsowman> batcave?
[16:53] <edmoore> cusf lab
[16:53] <jonsowman> oh haha
[16:53] <jonsowman> is that its new name
[16:53] <jonsowman> no signal in there then?
[16:53] <edmoore> indeed
[16:54] <jonsowman> whatre you working on?
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[16:55] <edmoore> guess. but don't say out loud on here.
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[17:02] <rharrison> ping edmoore
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[17:15] <Laurenceb> edmoore: camera thingy?
[17:16] Action: Laurenceb runs
[17:17] <edmoore> ?
[17:17] <Laurenceb> oh thought I'd revealed the secret
[17:17] <Laurenceb> nvm
[17:18] <Laurenceb> edmoore: I've finished the layout for this - http://i.imgur.com/7uBX6.png would you go with M3 mounting holes on the sides?
[17:19] <Laurenceb> I was thinking maybe little D shaped bits with mounting holes in the middle... but maybe more of a hinderance than a help
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[17:20] <Laurenceb> guess they could be chopped off easily if not wanted
[17:20] <edmoore> M3s are useful
[17:20] <edmoore> you don't have to use them but they're nice to have
[17:27] <Laurenceb> silkscreen time
[17:27] <Laurenceb> the fun never ends
[17:29] <edmoore> that's not true
[17:29] <edmoore> it does end
[17:30] <Laurenceb> bbl
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[17:41] <earthshine> weird
[17:41] <earthshine> evening
[17:42] <jonsowman> hi earthshine
[17:42] <earthshine> hi
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[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> hello ProjectCirrus
[19:12] <ProjectCirrus> bonjour
[19:12] <ProjectCirrus> big soldering night tonight
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:12] <ProjectCirrus> i'll be high later on probably
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> today I got an unexpected secondary experiment
[19:13] <ProjectCirrus> ?
[19:13] <ProjectCirrus> what is it
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> I have a Zenit camera
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> and the shutter button was pushed in when I put in new film
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> and then I wound it up, and it did not spring load
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> and when I rewound it, I pulled the whole film back into the catridge
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> so I'll put that cartrige into the balloon and see what will be on the film afterwards
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:14] <ProjectCirrus> cool
[19:14] <ProjectCirrus> film gets very brittle though
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:15] <ProjectCirrus> try keep the back warm
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> I'll put it in styrofoam
[19:15] <ProjectCirrus> lol... the solution for everything in HAB
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :P
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> what else happened...hmm
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> I got mail from Bolivia
[19:16] <ProjectCirrus> an everyday occurence i'm sure
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> they said they can't help with an ozone experiment at the moment but they invite to host the ballooning campaign at some mountain they have there
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> "As you probably know, we have recently started with a new regional GAW Station at Mount Chacaltaya (16.2 S, 68.1 W, 5270 m asl), so, if some of the groups you are in contact with would be interested in launching radiosondes from that high altitude tropical station, we are open to host them at Chacaltaya. "
[19:17] <ProjectCirrus> nice but a long way to go!
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> of course
[19:19] <jonsowman> hello
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> I'll thank him and tell him that this might be an advanced stage
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello jonsowman
[19:20] <ProjectCirrus> hello and unfortunately goodbye i really have to get cracking! see you all later
[19:20] <ProjectCirrus> or when i hit a HAB problem
[19:20] <ProjectCirrus> in about 5 mins :)
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> ok :P
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman how are you?
[19:20] <jonsowman> ProjectCirrus: see you
[19:20] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: very good thanks, yourself?
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> I'm fine too
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> if you read backscroll, you see today's news :)
[19:22] <jonsowman> nice
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[19:22] Nick change: ProjectCirrus -> PC-Assembling
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[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> the voyage to bolivia has to wait some time though
[19:25] <jonsowman> ah right
[19:25] <jonsowman> sounds interesting
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> I think so too :)
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> thing is, you may only be there for 90 days/year without visum
[19:31] <edmoore> evening
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> hello edmoore
[19:31] <edmoore> PC-Assembling: good to know the radio arrived
[19:31] <edmoore> hi Lunar_Lander
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[19:32] <edmoore> not bad thank you
[19:32] <edmoore> in the batcave working
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> I'm fine too
[19:34] <edmoore> how's projects?
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> quite OK at the moment
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> look what I received today
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> "As you probably know, we have recently started with a new regional GAW Station at Mount Chacaltaya (16.2 S, 68.1 W, 5270 m asl), so, if some of the groups you are in contact with would be interested in launching radiosondes from that high altitude tropical station, we are open to host them at Chacaltaya."
[19:36] <edmoore> interesting
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> btw, how can we achieve to get a GPS signal across that 433 MHz link?
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> at the moment I just thought of kind of a homing signal without information
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> but it would be interesting to know how to do the GPS transmission
[19:40] <edmoore> you need something getween gps and radio
[19:40] <edmoore> like a microcontroller
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> we have that
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> we have GPS->µC->SD card
[19:40] <edmoore> cool
[19:40] <edmoore> so hang the radio off the uC
[19:41] <edmoore> and write a software rtty port for your uC
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> is that also on the Wiki?
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[19:50] <fuzzylugnuts> Hmmm
[19:50] <fuzzylugnuts> WB8ELK launch tracks are around chatanooga
[19:51] <fuzzylugnuts> thats about 2 hours south of me. ANy of those folks in here?
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> edmoore is the radio info on the wiki too?
[19:53] <GW8RAK> As an Air Cadet project, there is a possibility that we may be able to run a more powerful TX on the payload in order to make reception easier. I'd like to run a packet radio digipeater so squadrons could talk to other squadrons. Does anyone have any ideas how much power this would need please?
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> where are you?
[19:54] <jonsowman> US?
[19:54] <GW8RAK> I've been asked to submit details of the project and what we want the radio to achieve, so want to have some background detail rather than just asking for 1W, or 5W etc.
[19:54] <GW8RAK> In the UK
[19:55] <jonsowman> can't put amateur radios on unmanned airborne systems
[19:55] <GW8RAK> This isn't amateur. This is RAF frequency allocation around 70cm
[19:55] <SpeedEvil> GW8RAK, look for the specific regulations that apply then.
[19:56] <jonsowman> is that frequency normally used on airborne systems?
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> what data do you want to move?
[19:56] <GW8RAK> There are no specific regulations as such. The MOD are given chunks of the radio spectrum and they do what they want with them.
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> ok- there may be internal regs.
[19:57] <GW8RAK> Our current 70cm channels are only licenced for terrestrial use, but there is enough interest in the project that I've been told to detail what we want and it'll be submitted to the appropriate person
[19:58] <SpeedEvil> for background, we get 500km on 10mW 433 at 50bps
[19:58] <jonsowman> eg. if there are other ground-based systems on the same frequency, running an airborne transmitter on 1 or 5W will wipe the rest of them out
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[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> what was the max power for 433 again?
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> 10 mW right?
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> yes
[19:59] <GW8RAK> I'm looking for permission for perhaps 3 flights and although 10mW is useable, I want squadrons with basic equipment to take part.
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> GW8RAK, what are your data aims?
[19:59] <GW8RAK> Yes, 1W at altitude would wipe out ground systems, but that is what regulation is all about.
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[20:00] <GW8RAK> SpeedEvil - principally to get cadets enthused about the project and to chat to other cadet units around the UK
[20:00] <SpeedEvil> and what recievers.
[20:00] <SpeedEvil> so to move audio via HAB relay?
[20:00] <GW8RAK> Typically exPMR or amateur equipment, but simple ground plan aerials
[20:00] <GW8RAK> HAB relay yes.
[20:01] <fsphil> hey all
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> afk
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil we got news
[20:02] <fsphil> good news?
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> "As you probably know, we have recently started with a new regional GAW Station at Mount Chacaltaya (16.2 S, 68.1 W, 5270 m asl), so, if some of the groups you are in contact with would be interested in launching radiosondes from that high altitude tropical station, we are open to host them at Chacaltaya. "
[20:04] <fsphil> just looking at that in google maps .. that's some nice terrain :D
[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah xD
[20:05] <russss> quite the altitude there
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> but it seems to be very close to La Paz
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> just like 20 km
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> 5270 m asl really is high
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> would need some high-altitude training before going there
[20:10] <fsphil> wouldn't the balloon still pop at the same altitude anyway?
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> I think so
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> only the start would be higher
[20:12] <GW8RAK> But for a given launch diameter, there would be less gas in the balloon and hence less lift. I think
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> true also
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[20:13] <DaveyC> hey everyone :)
[20:13] <jonsowman> DaveyC: hello
[20:14] <fsphil> hiya DaveyC
[20:14] <DaveyC> how's it going? :)
[20:14] <jonsowman> yep all good here - how are you?
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> hi DaveyC
[20:14] <DaveyC> not bad.. lonnng day.. that's Monday's though
[20:15] <fsphil> know the feeling !
[20:16] <DaveyC> hehe im kinda new here. Stumbled in the other day after seeing rob harrison's flickr page.. had no idea there was a chan for HAB. been lurking ever since :)
[20:16] <jonsowman> DaveyC: cool :) looking to launch yourself maybe?
[20:17] <DaveyC> it's something i'd love to do. I do have a couple of ideas, hoping to turn them into reality some time soon.. I got a lot more research and wiki reading to do yet though
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[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:18] <jonsowman> fair enough - people on here are really helpful so ask if you need a hand
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> welcome to the club DaveyC :)
[20:18] <DaveyC> ty jonsowman, i will do :) -- and thanks for the welcome lunar_lander
[20:18] <jonsowman> DaveyC: whereabouts are you?
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[20:19] <jonsowman> hi rjharrison
[20:19] <DaveyC> jonsowman: over in Liverpool here. How about you?
[20:19] <rjharrison> Hi all
[20:19] <DaveyC> hey rjharrison :)
[20:19] <jonsowman> DaveyC: i live in surrey but I'm at cambridge so spend a lot of my time there
[20:19] <rjharrison> Hi jonsowman, DaveyC
[20:19] <DaveyC> oh cool
[20:20] <GW8RAK> Hi DavyC I'm just over the Welsh border from you. Not many people up north, or so it seems at times
[20:20] <rjharrison> Huddersfield / Leeds for me
[20:21] <GW8RAK> I knew that as soon as I said that, there'd be a flood of responses.
[20:21] <DaveyC> Hi GW8RAK, very cool. hehe
[20:21] <fsphil> Cookstown, nowhere near any of you :p
[20:22] <GW8RAK> DaveyC, I only got started on this around Christmas and am still playing with the payload electronics. Hope to get the GPS and Picaxe chip doing their thing over Easter.
[20:23] <DaveyC> Very nice gw8rak. When you planning to launch?
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> DavyC I'm from North-Western Germany
[20:23] <DaveyC> ahh i have a few buddies scattered around Germany
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> hi kiribati
[20:24] <GW8RAK> A good question. It's an Air Cadet project and we are trying to get some sponsorship to cover the cost of the helium
[20:24] <jonsowman> what are your ideas for a payload then DaveyC
[20:25] <GW8RAK> But the plan is for 5 launches over a couple of years. Each with different applications.
[20:25] <DaveyC> @gw8rak, yeah i've taken a look at the guide tables. Helium looks pretty expensive.. I was maybe planning to steal a load of balloons from pizza hut and see what i could do ;)
[20:25] <GW8RAK> DaveyC, I was wondering about those and really lightweight payload.
[20:26] <DaveyC> @jonsowman. Well I want to start with something simple (using the term loosely). Maybe a simple altimiter, some CCD camera chips mounted to capture images from all around the payload etc.
[20:26] <DaveyC> eventually maybe trying a "rockoon"
[20:26] <kiribati> Lunar_Lander: Hey, saw the site for the Icarus stuff...I wanted higher-resolution pics, so I though I'd ask here.
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> are you also from Kiribati?
[20:27] <jonsowman> DaveyC: sounds good :)
[20:27] <kiribati> No, I just needed to come up with a nickname, so I pointed to a random place on the globe...
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> ah cool :)
[20:27] <kiribati> You guys have higher-res pictures from the Icarus project?
[20:29] <fsphil> I hate ordering stuff from farnell .. I *always* forget at lest one thing
[20:30] <edmoore> same
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[20:31] <jonsowman> can someone test wxsat.hexoc.com for me
[20:31] <fsphil> "this is a holding page. "
[20:31] <DaveyC> yep, same here
[20:31] <jonsowman> cheers :)
[20:31] <jonsowman> thank you both
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> can anybody answer kiribati's request?
[20:32] <rjharrison> kiribati what do you want them for
[20:32] <kiribati> Just to stick on my desktop...nothing commercial or stuff like that.
[20:33] <edmoore> kiribati: just type 'high altitude balloon' or 'arhab' into flickr
[20:33] <rjharrison> Well they are all on flickr have you found them
[20:33] <edmoore> there are hundred and hundreds of high res photos from all over the world
[20:33] <rjharrison> Select size option at the top and select orginal
[20:34] <sbasuita> rjharrison, have you put any of your photos under license?
[20:34] <rjharrison> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/3576369448/sizes/o/in/set-72157618814637849/
[20:35] <kiribati> rjharrison: exactly what I wanted, now I feel really stupid for not seeing the "All Sizes" button...
[20:35] <kiribati> Sorry for bugging you guys!
[20:35] <fsphil> easily done lol
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> no problem at all kiribati
[20:36] <kiribati> Well, while I'm here, I'd like to say that rjharrison did an awesome job at putting that all together...
[20:37] <kiribati> I mean, getting a radio downlink (and uplink?) from a balloon at tens of thousands of feet running on a couple of 9V's is quite an accomplishment.
[20:38] <sbasuita> kiribati, there wasn't an uplink
[20:38] <sbasuita> kiribati, but yeah the distances involved are pretty huge
[20:39] <kiribati> Ah, I saw in one of the launch pages that you had attemped one, but I didn't know whether it worked or not.
[20:39] <sbasuita> kiribati, i'm with the ALIEN project - we haven't launched yet; waiting on the weather
[20:40] <jonsowman> sbasuita: weather looking any better?
[20:40] <DaveyC> Hi sbasuita. What's the plans for the alien project? :)
[20:40] <edmoore> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/hourly-predictions/
[20:40] <edmoore> no
[20:40] <edmoore> the weather is looking no better for them
[20:40] <fsphil> almost snowing here :p
[20:40] <kiribati> When are you looking at launching?
[20:40] <fsphil> was spring last week
[20:41] <sbasuita> DaveyC, our first launch is a pretty standard payload: camera, int/ext temp, sms
[20:41] <sbasuita> DaveyC, those are the highlights
[20:41] <sbasuita> DaveyC, but we're thinking about doing a night launch in the future
[20:41] <DaveyC> oh cool :)
[20:42] <fsphil> one of the coolest things I've seen from the air was the morning fog hanging around the hills as the sun rose
[20:42] <fsphil> balloon might be too high to see that though
[20:42] <edmoore> it occurs to me we'll probably get our 20th launch in this year, perhaps
[20:42] <edmoore> that's a milestone
[20:42] <jonsowman> edmoore: :)
[20:43] Action: sbasuita thinks we need a big ukhas meeting
[20:43] Action: jonsowman agrees
[20:43] <edmoore> ukhas is only recently 'big'
[20:44] <kiribati> sbasuita: to clarify, I was talking about the Icarus project at :37
[20:44] <edmoore> not so long ago it'd be brunch with steve me and james, and that'd be a ukhas meeting :p
[20:44] <DaveyC> Guys, sorry if this is a very "noob" question. But, where would I be able to purchase balloon's? I notice there isn't a www.yeoldeballoonshoppe.com hehe
[20:44] <fsphil> not yet ;)
[20:44] <edmoore> kiribati: indeed, icarus had no uplink
[20:44] <DaveyC> :D
[20:44] <sbasuita> DaveyC, steve randall is the standard balloon outlet in the uk
[20:44] <edmoore> DaveyC: random engineering ltd
[20:44] <sbasuita> DaveyC, random solutions
[20:45] <edmoore> zeus is being upset today
[20:45] <sbasuita> DaveyC, http://randomsolutions.co.uk
[20:45] <sbasuita> edmoore, zeus is always upset....
[20:45] <DaveyC> thank you :)
[20:45] <jonsowman> fine zeusbot, i'll do it myself
[20:45] <jonsowman> hmph
[20:45] <jonsowman> oh too late :p
[20:45] <rjharrison> kiribati to be honnest alot of people on here helped me to do that
[20:46] <rjharrison> And many one here have been HABing for many years but thanks I'm glad you liked the pics :)
[20:46] <kiribati> After seeing all this stuff, I'm thinking of doing something like it myself.
[20:47] <kiribati> Any clue where to start?
[20:47] <jonsowman> who runs zeusbot
[20:47] <sbasuita> kiribati, http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning <--- seems like a good place ;)
[20:47] <sbasuita> jonsowman, jcoxon
[20:47] <sbasuita> jonsowman, (james coxon)
[20:47] <jonsowman> ta sbasuita
[20:48] <rjharrison> I was trying to organise a UKHAS meeting earlier in the year
[20:48] <rjharrison> I guess things are a little bigger now
[20:48] <kiribati> sbasuita: thanks, I will check that out!
[20:48] <rjharrison> Perhaps the summer possibly with a lunch in Camb
[20:48] <rjharrison> Cambridge
[20:48] <rjharrison> launch :) and lunch
[20:49] <edmoore> we should have a UK equivalent to GPSL
[20:49] <jonsowman> rjharrison: sounds good to me
[20:49] <fsphil> ooh I might nip over that
[20:49] <fsphil> over for that
[20:49] <edmoore> kiribati: GPSL is a big launch they do in the states for high altitude ballooning. it's been going for many years
[20:49] <rjharrison> A weekend of hab talking about projects, saftly, recent developments, demos etc ..
[20:50] <sbasuita> rjharrison, that would be pure awesome
[20:50] <edmoore> this whole hobby has been around for ages, it's just the media every so often 'rediscover' it and make compariusons to NASA vs men in sheds and so on
[20:50] <rjharrison> edmoore lol
[20:50] <kiribati> edmoore: yep, but media is how I found out about this :D
[20:50] <edmoore> indeed. i don't think anyone's complaining :)
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[20:52] <kiribati> And to be quite frank, I don't do much IRC, so I'll leave in a few minutes/hours and none of you will ever see me again...
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> btw what did NASA want to know from you rjharrison ?
[20:53] <jonsowman> any recommendations on pressure sensors guys?
[20:54] <edmoore> oh god
[20:54] <edmoore> static or diff?
[20:54] <jonsowman> static
[20:54] <jonsowman> analogue is fine
[20:54] <edmoore> or is that a joke based upon the last 200 ukhas mailing list emails?
[20:54] <edmoore> jonsowman: what's it for?
[20:54] <jonsowman> haha true
[20:54] <jonsowman> just measuring pressure for HAB
[20:55] <jonsowman> the one we used on Apex I was fine but didn't get very close to 0
[20:55] <edmoore> if you're not so bothered about mass, i have here a spare omegadyne pxm219
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> there is a Honeywell one that goes down to 0 kPa
[20:55] <edmoore> it's maybe 100g. but intrumentation quality
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> but I don't remember the model no.
[20:55] <jonsowman> cheers, will have a look
[20:56] <earthshine> howdy
[20:56] <earthshine> Pressure sensors arrived today
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> hi earthshine
[20:56] <DaveyC> hi earthshine
[20:56] <earthshine> hi
[20:57] <jonsowman> hi
[20:57] <earthshine> hi
[20:57] <rjharrison> edmoore the GPSL guys have been quite nice
[20:58] <edmoore> yeah some good replies
[21:00] <kiribati> rjharrison, I would like to second Lunar_Lander's request about what NASA was looking for when they called...
[21:01] <earthshine> They were looking for the meaning of life
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[21:02] <rjharrison> Well that's a bit out of proportion :)
[21:02] <rjharrison> Blowen up by the media
[21:03] <rjharrison> The exciting bit was haveing a nice chat with the press office today at NASA who thought the whole thing was great fun
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:04] <DaveyC> awesome :)
[21:04] <rjharrison> I have also got a very nice eamil from the guy at nasa who is responsible for controlling the casini spacecraft around saturn
[21:04] <rjharrison> Will be following up on that one
[21:05] <DanielRichman> GAH! This is what happens if you -O2 -g
[21:05] <DanielRichman> http://gist.github.com/348343
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[21:05] <rjharrison> i just saw a tv-news story about your accomplishment. i am very impressed and bid you congratulations.
[21:05] <rjharrison> as a navigator for the Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn, one major question looms in my mind after seeing the news story. i tried to find articles on the web to see if the answer to my question might be there.....in the small number of articles i read, there was nothing to provide me the answer i seek
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> btw, there is a nice song on now
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> "Radar Detector"
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> how matching :P
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> rjharrison can you please ask him what exactly he has to do to navigate Cassini?
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> I imagine him sitting all day at a terminal and watching the telemetry
[21:08] <kiribati> What was the question he is referring to rjharrison ?
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[21:19] <Laurenceb> sup folks
[21:20] <Laurenceb> so anyone want to buy an autopilot board? - bare board only
[21:20] <Laurenceb> works out about $2.5 per board
[21:20] Action: Laurenceb is very impressed by seeedstudio price
[21:21] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: how does the "no panelization" rule work?
[21:22] <Laurenceb> I mean my board is 4x6cm, surely I can fit at least 2 on a 10x10cm order?
[21:26] <rjharrison> Lunar_Lander you are right on track here is teh rest of the email
[21:26] <rjharrison> but then i found your website, so i am very happy that i can now go straight to the source. where did the balloon land?
[21:26] <rjharrison> given that part of my job involves analyzing telemetry, i especially appreciate the "various metrics against time" plot. (ref: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/4111728280/in/set-72157622821010632/)
[21:26] <rjharrison> i find the graph fascinating, and i am most curious to know ground path your balloon took on its way up to ~32,000 m (~105,000 ft) and then back down to Earth.
[21:26] <rjharrison> i hope you are able to take the data from your GPS and are able to display that information.
[21:27] <rjharrison> so Lunar_Lander you get the biscuit
[21:27] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, I have just pushed a tonne of potentially interesting stuff to my master @ github
[21:27] <rjharrison> So shall I pull it
[21:27] <DanielRichman> Up to you. I'd take a look first
[21:27] <DanielRichman> then pull it into a branch, maybe, rather than your master
[21:28] <rjharrison> I'm not fussed
[21:28] <rjharrison> If it works fine by me
[21:28] <DanielRichman> hehe jcoxon is imposing some quality control on his master, which is a good idea since he seems to hold the "authoritative" dl-fldigi branch
[21:28] <DanielRichman> brb
[21:29] <rjharrison> DanielRichman he's the boss on the client side
[21:29] <rjharrison> I'm the server man
[21:29] <DanielRichman> oh yes, that reminds me, hold on
[21:30] <rjharrison> bbias wife needs attention]
[21:30] <rjharrison> She's been on her own for the past few days :)_
[21:31] <earthshine> O.O
[21:34] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, when you're back, new version of http://gist.github.com/346344
[21:35] <Laurenceb> I'm 12 years old and what is this
[21:35] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, also note that in my latest commit to master, we can add a button that calls dl_fldigi_download and it will start a thread, download all payload info, cache it and update the UI; also if it is in offline mode or the download fails, at startup it automatically loads the cached version
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> thank you rjharrison !!!
[21:38] <jonsowman> Laurenceb: lol
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> an important question came to my mind
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> what is the best way to attach the payload?
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> sling the ropes around it?
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[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> any ideas?
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman ?
[21:45] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: depends a bit on the payload
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> if it is a simple box for example
[21:46] <jonsowman> for apex I, we drilled holes in each of the four corners on the top and bottom surfaces
[21:47] <jonsowman> then fed nylon cord through the top, down to the bottom, diagonally across, and back up
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> that sounds good
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> I had a similar idea
[21:48] <jonsowman> as long as there's no way it can come undone, whatever way suits
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> and there must be a secure connection to the parachute
[21:48] <jonsowman> http://balloon.hexoc.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=16&pos=0
[21:48] <jonsowman> http://balloon.hexoc.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=16&pos=6
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah thank you
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[21:56] <DaveyC> jonsowman, what is the payload exterior made from?
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[22:12] <jonsowman> DaveyC: corroflute
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> I'm playing around in the Wiki
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> it's so awesome!
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[22:26] <earthshine> Are you making a project page ?
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[22:33] <earthshine> What's the project called ?
[22:33] <earthshine> ok I can see it
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> one sec
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:stratosfaira
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> still here earthshine ?
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[22:51] <earthshine> yep
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[22:54] <Kashew> hey
[22:55] <earthshine> Nut
[22:55] <Kashew> that i am
[22:55] <earthshine> Bless You
[22:55] <Kashew> alright
[22:55] <earthshine> :D
[22:59] <Kashew> so how do i get into this
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> earthshine did you read it?
[23:00] <earthshine> yeah
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> how was it?
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[23:04] <earthshine> looks ok so far
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> Kashew it is not that difficult
[23:07] <Kashew> oh?
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> you should read the "Beginner's Guide" in the Wiki
[23:08] <jonsowman> what's the difference between a domain registrar and a domain host
[23:09] <earthshine> The registrar will just register a domain for you - the host will also host it
[23:09] <jonsowman> right ok
[23:10] <jonsowman> trying to work out DNS for changing hosting provider
[23:10] <jonsowman> (still)
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman I made a wiki page ;)
[23:10] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: nice one, i'll go look
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> thanks ;)
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[23:12] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: looks really good
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> thank you
[23:14] <menacethegreat> Hi all
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[23:18] <jonsowman> hi
[23:18] Nick change: menacethegreat -> Mikey28
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[23:20] <Mikey28> Just come on to see how it is. I'm interested in doing a balloon but was wondering about the permission side of things
[23:20] <DaveyC> @jonsow man. i recommend 123-reg.co.uk for domains, and hosting from speedyhost
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[23:22] <Mikey28> Euk host is ok for hosting that's who I'm with and had no problems and good support
[23:22] <jonsowman> DaveyC: i've got the domain, that's fine
[23:22] <jonsowman> and I've got a VPS host at the moment but theyre rubbish
[23:22] <jonsowman> however i love VPSes, thinking of linode
[23:23] <Mikey28> Is it just the CAA I need permision with. Is there anything else? Like a license for the radio side if things?
[23:23] <jonsowman> Mikey28: we tend to use license free radio bands
[23:23] <jonsowman> eg. 70cms
[23:24] <jonsowman> wrt permission, the relevant dept at the CAA is the Airspace Utilisation Section
[23:24] <jonsowman> (AUS)
[23:24] <jonsowman> you may also need to contact local ATC towers and airports before launch (NOTAM)
[23:24] <Mikey28> Ah ok thanks for that I will look into it. Thanks for the quick reply :)
[23:25] <jonsowman> but the AUS will inform you of that
[23:25] <jonsowman> Mikey28: no problems :)
[23:25] <jonsowman> do a bit of research into launchsites first - ie. don't pick one that's under an airport approach
[23:26] <Mikey28> Yeah well I'm from uk and near cambride and I see they have a amateur launch site
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[23:27] <jonsowman> Mikey28: yep Cambridge University Spaceflight have a launch site in cam
[23:27] <Mikey28> Since I red Roberts story I never realised how common it is and I'v been abit obsessed with it since!
[23:27] <jonsowman> Mikey28: it is great fun
[23:27] <jonsowman> you thinking of getting a payload together
[23:27] <jonsowman> ?
[23:29] <Mikey28> Yeah I keep designing it in my head!
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[23:29] <jonsowman> :D
[23:30] <jonsowman> 48 users
[23:30] <DaveyC> @jonsowman, if you're looking into VPS, give cheapvps.co.uk a try. i've got one with them, and it's pretty good :)
[23:30] <jonsowman> DaveyC: thanks - will have a look now
[23:30] <DaveyC> part of vaserv/bluesquare
[23:30] <Mikey28> Iv looked into the gps it's just the radio side I'm not sure about as I thought there was a license but thanks to you I know there's lisence free ones :)
[23:31] <Mikey28> Definately goin to do it tho
[23:31] <jonsowman> 434MHz is the one most people use
[23:31] <earthshine> Mikey28 I recommend coming along and watching a launch if you can - you lwearn so much
[23:32] <jonsowman> earthshine: good advice
[23:32] <jonsowman> Mikey28: there are other license free bands but 434 is a happy medium of free space path loss, antenna size and portability and power
[23:32] <Mikey28> Wouldn't they be a private sort of thing? Or is it a big get together?
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[23:33] <jonsowman> nope people can normally come along if they ask first :)
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:33] <Mikey28> This is what I mean I didn't realise it was so common! It's great!
[23:33] <Mikey28> Ahh that's good. I take it most people here have done one then?
[23:33] <jonsowman> there are launches very often from CUSF/churchill cambridge
[23:34] <jonsowman> or are in the process, yes
[23:34] <jonsowman> the weather is very bad for launches at the moment
[23:34] <jonsowman> so there are a few payloads waiting to launch when the weather improves
[23:34] <fsphil> that's gonna be a busy few weeks!
[23:34] <jonsowman> fsphil: isn't it just
[23:35] <earthshine> tell me about it - mine will be ready soon too
[23:35] <jonsowman> Mikey28: read the UKHAS wiki for information
[23:36] <jonsowman> there's loads on there
[23:36] <jonsowman> wonder if zeusbot will listen to me now...
[23:36] <jonsowman> hmm
[23:36] <Mikey28> Will do
[23:36] <Mikey28> Ahh a link! Thank you
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[23:37] <jonsowman> anyone know what software zeusbot is?
[23:38] <DaveyC> eggdrop by the looks of it
[23:38] <Spacor> a trojan i guess
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> Zeusbot is some guy from Greece who types in very quick
[23:38] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: lmao
[23:38] <Mikey28> Lol
[23:39] <jonsowman> cheers DaveyC
[23:39] <Mikey28> Is this the main place to chat then? Or is there a forum?
[23:39] <jonsowman> this is the most popular place
[23:40] <Mikey28> Ok well I found an app for
[23:40] <Mikey28> Me fone!
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> Mikey28 www.cafepress.com/stratosfaira :P
[23:40] <jonsowman> !botinfo
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[23:43] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[23:44] <Lunar_Lander> what happpened Mikey28 ?
[23:44] <Mikey28> Thanks for the info I have recieved lots to look into :)
[23:45] <Mikey28> I'm on my fone not the best signal :(
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> np :)
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> did my link work?
[23:46] <jonsowman> Mikey28: good old colloquy
[23:46] <Mikey28> That's the one! Yes link worked. Is that your project?
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:46] <Mikey28> It's been years since I last used irc!
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> I think I am the first HABist who has a shop
[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:49] <Mikey28> Lunar_Lander: Thats good you can do that iv saved the page as taking to long to load!
[23:49] <edmoore> Iain has picked 'cheeky girls' as the lab background music for this evening
[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:50] <jonsowman> edmoore: oh good lord
[23:50] <jonsowman> hows things going there?
[23:50] <earthshine> omg
[23:53] <fsphil> is Iain a bit mad?
[23:53] <Mikey28> Well I best be off. Thanks again for your replies and I will be back soon :) hopefuly e on the computer nexttime when a certain someone is off facebook!!
[23:54] <fsphil> later Mikey28!
[23:54] <fsphil> night guys .. enough hacking for me tonight, sleep time
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[23:54] <jonsowman> Mikey28: catch you later
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> yea here too
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
[23:54] <jonsowman> cya Lunar_Lander
[23:54] <Mikey28> Bye all
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