[00:00] <tobes> ok thought so, saw RJ there then. next time if he's standing holding a contraption that went 100Km up and it has 2 ballons, throw something at the telly...unless of course he mentions me..I should go. Good to talk. should you decide to carry on then stay here for 6 years cause I may have to call yu to pick up some bits for me! :-)
[00:01] <Asteras> have fun
[00:01] <Asteras> bye!
[00:01] <tobes> cheers...
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[00:01] <Asteras> bye all
[00:02] <Asteras> nice to talk to you
[00:02] <Asteras> good luck with your projects!
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[02:21] <extra> hey
[02:22] <extra> anyone interested in a joint UK launch?
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[03:08] <juxta_> hey earthshine, you in?
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[10:09] <rjharrison> hi james
[10:10] <jcoxon> hi rob
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[10:12] <tty2> hi
[10:21] <earthshine> morning
[10:22] <sbasuita> the time is 20 past 10 right?@
[10:23] <jcoxon> in the UK yes
[10:23] <rjharrison> yep sbasuita
[10:23] <rjharrison> BST today :)
[10:23] <sbasuita> damn
[10:23] <sbasuita> i just flew out of bed cause i thought it was 11.20
[10:23] <sbasuita> stupid clock went forward 2 hours somehow
[10:24] <sbasuita> ;P
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[10:28] <earthshine> lol
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[10:32] <jcoxon> earthshine, just to I've got the GPS module
[10:32] <jcoxon> might rig it up today
[10:32] <earthshine> Did that only arrive yesterday?
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[10:37] <fat42> hi folks-Q:-where do you get the helium for ballons?
[10:38] <rjharrison> where are you
[10:38] <earthshine> Helium-R-Us
[10:41] <earthshine> I made a timelapse movie yesterday out of the images when running some Lua scripts on my A560 :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sn50ROMJMw
[10:41] <fat42> sweden-normal party baloon h is not up to it i guess(purity)?
[10:41] <rjharrison> that is what we use
[10:42] <fat42> ok- we see-im a airship freek myself so..
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[10:42] <jcoxon> back
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[11:27] <juxta_> morning rjharrison
[11:28] <fat42> i see he uses 169mhz for an rf data-link..you can do the same with pmr walkie talkies-cheeper.
[11:28] <SpeedEvil> well...
[11:28] <SpeedEvil> if you care about range...
[11:29] <fat42> price
[11:30] <fat42> rtty,wefax+sstv run on pmr
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> price of thansmitter with current ree stuff is good.
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> 433
[11:31] <fat42> lpd-433=10 mw
[11:32] <fat42> 446-500mw
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> where are you?
[11:32] <fat42> good for tracking
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[11:32] <fat42> sweden
[11:32] <SpeedEvil> ah
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> not legal in uk
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> not looked at .se legality
[11:33] <fat42> data on pmr?
[11:33] <SpeedEvil> no - airborne
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[11:34] <fat42> ah..ok--im in the mid of nowhere-so no probs
[11:49] <juxta_> is PMR CB?
[11:49] <juxta_> data on CB isnt allowed where I live
[11:56] <fat42> wheres that
[11:59] <fat42> mp3 fm car transmitter
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[12:00] <fat42> i did 30 metre sstv on a tunecast 2-but thats off topic sorry
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[12:08] <juxta_> fat42: Australia
[12:14] <fat42> juxta: what they dont know dont hurt them
[12:15] <fat42> if ur in the outback
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[12:19] <juxta_> fat42: sure, that's true
[12:20] <juxta_> but the range of a transmitter 30km in the air is pretty huge
[12:20] <juxta_> plus it's actually easier and more reliable to do it other ways
[12:20] <fat42> you have these cheep hand held uhf cbs ay?
[12:21] <juxta_> yeah, they're pretty common here
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[12:21] <juxta_> and yeah, people use UHF CB here mainly
[12:21] <juxta_> though 27Mhz is still around
[12:22] <fat42> thes software for ham radio that works on them.
[12:22] <juxta_> yeah
[12:22] <juxta_> you could do it with audio into a handheld for sure
[12:23] <fat42> if they have a vox function
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[12:23] <juxta_> I use the radiometrix modules like the UK guys though
[12:23] <juxta_> they're cheaper, less hackish, etc
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[12:26] <fat42> rtty works on em
[12:26] <juxta_> sure, but it'll be RTTY over FM
[12:26] <fat42> good range then to with sq off+error chk
[12:27] <juxta_> not really using your power efficiently
[12:28] <fat42> i gotta go dudes-time flys..maybe next time
[12:28] <juxta_> cya fat42 :)
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[12:33] <fsphil> hehe
[12:37] <fsphil> did wb8elk launch yesterday?
[12:37] <fsphil> tracker looks .. interesting
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[13:02] <jonsowman> could someone test "hexoc.com" for me
[13:02] <jonsowman> as in - does the site load?
[13:05] <ms7821> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hexoc.com
[13:05] <ms7821> you're missing an A record
[13:06] <jonsowman> what should the A record say?
[13:06] <ms7821> whatever your webserver's IP is
[13:10] <ms7821> it did have one recently
[13:10] <ms7821> 83.something
[13:11] <jonsowman> i have apache running with vhosts
[13:11] <jonsowman> so how do I set up DNS so that subdomains are forwarded to apache
[13:11] <jonsowman> if you see what i mean?
[13:13] <russss> the DNS doesn't know about vhosts, you just point it to the server's IP
[13:13] <ms7821> well, you can set up a wildcard dns record, but you're better off just listing each one and giving the same IP
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[13:13] <jonsowman> ok
[13:13] <jonsowman> and what about hexoc.com itself?
[13:14] <rjharrison> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/play/-/6991947/snaps-from-space/
[13:14] <jonsowman> downforeveryone says its not working - whats going on there
[13:16] <jonsowman> hmm
[13:18] <ms7821> well if you have a default vhost that you want, just point that to the same server
[13:18] <ms7821> otherwise, leave it for MX
[13:19] <jonsowman> the only things I have set up at the moment are two A records for "sheeva.hexoc.com" and "weather.hexoc.com"
[13:19] <jonsowman> yet downforeveryone says hexoc.com is down
[13:19] <jonsowman> :\
[13:19] <ms7821> that's fine, if that's what you want
[13:20] <ms7821> downforeveryone will say weather.hexoc.com is fine
[13:20] <jonsowman> what do I need to do to make hexoc.com work?
[13:20] <ms7821> you need a record for hexoc.com, pointing to the same web server
[13:21] <jonsowman> i dont seem to be able to add one for just hexoc.com
[13:22] <ms7821> what system you using?
[13:22] <jonsowman> the web interface asks me for <inserttext>.hexoc.com
[13:22] <ms7821> try blank or .
[13:22] <jonsowman> ah blank works :)
[13:23] <jonsowman> ok so just wait a bit for changes to propagate now?
[13:25] <jonsowman> "sheeva.hexoc.com" points to a different IP address - having a record for just "hexoc.com" won't override that will it?
[13:26] <ms7821> nah, they're looked up separately
[13:26] <jonsowman> ok
[13:26] <jonsowman> at the moment, sheeva.hexoc.com sometimes resolves to the main server IP and sometimes to the one I want it to
[13:27] <jonsowman> do I just need to be more patient lol?
[13:27] <ms7821> have you just changed it?
[13:28] <jonsowman> sheeva.hexoc.com has been there for quite a while
[13:28] <ms7821> so what's returning the wrong IP?
[13:28] <jonsowman> if i run "nslookup sheeva.hexoc.com" several times, sometimes it resolves to 62.something and sometimes to 87.something
[13:29] <ms7821> hmm, you may be looking at the wrong line
[13:29] <ms7821> the correct response is 93.97...
[13:29] <jonsowman> yup thats what it should point it
[13:29] <jonsowman> *to
[13:30] <ms7821> ahh, right, one of my machines is returning 62.
[13:30] <ms7821> so you must have changed it recently
[13:30] <jonsowman> ah ok
[13:30] <jonsowman> so i just need to wait
[13:30] <ms7821> yup
[13:30] <ms7821> your ISP probably has more than one DNS caching server, which is why you're getting different answers
[13:31] <jonsowman> ah i see
[13:31] <jonsowman> http://hexoc.ath.cx/alpha/1.jpg
[13:31] <jonsowman> thats what my A-record config looks like
[13:31] <jonsowman> look about right?
[13:33] <ms7821> yup, hexoc.com will redirct to /wb - is that right?
[13:33] <jonsowman> yes
[13:35] <jonsowman> that's just a php header redirect
[13:39] <jonsowman> ms7821: thanks for the help
[13:41] <jonsowman> do I need to do anything for "www.hexoc.com" ?
[13:41] <jonsowman> does the www require a Arecord?
[13:44] <ms7821> yup, same IP
[13:45] <jonsowman> done
[13:54] <juxta_> you could also just CNAME www. to the actual domain A record, but it doesnt matter either way :)
[13:57] <jonsowman> ok
[13:57] <jonsowman> just waiting for it to update now
[14:01] <jonsowman> dns is confusing stuff.
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[14:32] <ProjectCirrus> just put a link to our project on the wiki, hope I didn't screw anything up :)
[14:33] <earthshine> cool
[14:34] <ProjectCirrus> thanks for the advice earthshine
[14:34] <earthshine> NP - I was just adding a timelapse movie to my project page
[14:35] <ProjectCirrus> lovely
[14:35] <ProjectCirrus> i'll have to check it out
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[14:39] <earthshine> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:earthshine:camera
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[14:42] <ProjectCirrus> really good
[14:43] <ProjectCirrus> nice the way the weather changes so much
[14:43] <ProjectCirrus> did you just get lucky with the day or had you been waiting a while?
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[14:58] <earthshine> No it was just a test - i got lucky
[14:59] <ProjectCirrus> well its a very good test, timelapse is indeed an underutilised resource
[15:00] <ProjectCirrus> weather is going to be the biggest issue with our launch
[15:00] <ProjectCirrus> currently we would land in the irish sea
[15:00] <ProjectCirrus> but the forecasts are getting better
[15:00] <ProjectCirrus> we unfortunately have a small flight window
[15:00] <earthshine> same for us in teh UK - it's been a long time since the weather was suitable for a launch
[15:01] <earthshine> Why is that ?
[15:01] <ProjectCirrus> because we have to utilise basically one week in the easter holidays
[15:01] <ProjectCirrus> we don't have generic permission for all the sites like th euk
[15:01] <ProjectCirrus> we have to pick a window and go with it
[15:02] <ProjectCirrus> unfortunately while our permission covers the week after the easter hols its a hand in week for four seperate projects.... for all the engineers involved ie. we won't be able to use it!
[15:06] <earthshine> Well that's the weather for you - it may be weeks or even months before a launch window becomes available
[15:07] <fsphil> heh, snow forecast for next week
[15:11] <ProjectCirrus> you serious!
[15:11] <ProjectCirrus> that could look amazing
[15:30] <DanielRichman> ping rjharrison
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[15:37] <ProjectCirrus> any good ideas for doing a ground plane on a 1/4 wave that has to be on the top of a module?
[15:38] <ProjectCirrus> anyone?
[15:39] <jonsowman> ProjectCirrus: what do you mean
[15:39] <edmoore> you want a 1/4-wave pointing upwards?
[15:40] <ProjectCirrus> yeah... our payload will have two antennae on it, one for phils module one for ours
[15:40] <ProjectCirrus> we reckoned one up one down would help one survive landing and help us track it
[15:40] <edmoore> well, you probably don't want a 1/4 wave with ground pointing up, unless you have a listening client in orbit
[15:40] <fsphil> they'll both be vertical
[15:40] <edmoore> so I would suggest a bazooka dipole
[15:40] <ProjectCirrus> mmmm..... i know people
[15:41] <jonsowman> oh i see
[15:41] <ProjectCirrus> ok, if my contacts in NASA don't play game i'll do that
[15:41] <ProjectCirrus> only kidding, is the bazooka simple enough?
[15:41] <fsphil> the ground plane seems to push the lobes up from the horizon, which might actually reduce the signal received on the ground from the top antenna
[15:42] <ProjectCirrus> yeah a dipole is a better pattern for top certaintly
[15:42] <edmoore> yes, the bazookas are quite simple
[15:42] <ProjectCirrus> sweet i'll google it
[15:42] <edmoore> you pull a 1/4 wave length of co-axial shield back over itself and back down the outside of the cable
[15:43] <edmoore> and it acts as a 1:1 transformer, around the core, so you get basically a dipole. but you can feed it from one end
[15:43] <ProjectCirrus> so i just attach the groundplane pin on the ntx2 onto the shield of th ecox?
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[15:44] <edmoore> yep
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[15:44] <ProjectCirrus> has anyone tried one on a balloon before
[15:44] <edmoore> yep
[15:44] <ProjectCirrus> is the range ok?
[15:44] <edmoore> we certainly have, as has rocketboy
[15:44] <ProjectCirrus> cool
[15:45] <ProjectCirrus> any particular diameter of coax or just bog standard
[15:46] <edmoore> i think whatever but don't quote be on that
[15:46] <fsphil> any 50ohm cable should do, it's gonna be pretty short
[15:46] <edmoore> http://www.iw5edi.com/ham-radio/?the-vertical-bazooka-antenna,18
[15:47] <edmoore> this is the guide i used to make ours
[15:47] <ProjectCirrus> sweet
[15:49] <ProjectCirrus> i take it that there is no real correct end to place at the highest point, just so long as it's vertical?
[15:50] <edmoore> yeah, just make it pretty vertical
[15:50] <edmoore> maybe run it up the tether if it's on the top side
[15:50] <ProjectCirrus> easily done
[15:50] <fsphil> neat
[15:50] <ProjectCirrus> what equipment do i need to tune it though
[15:51] <ProjectCirrus> is the radio enough?
[15:51] <edmoore> you don't really, just make it geometrically correct and that should be good enough
[15:52] <ProjectCirrus> ok, its just the guy says the formulas he uses give a length that is too long
[15:52] <edmoore> the actual input impedance is affected by random metal objects nearby and so on, but it's only really worth if you're keen and have an SWR meter lying around.
[15:52] <edmoore> ah I see. i'd make the exposed core element 1/4 wavelength exactly
[15:52] <ProjectCirrus> keen yes... swr meter no :)
[15:52] <fsphil> 10mw wouldn't be enough to drive an swr meter anyway
[15:52] <ProjectCirrus> lol
[15:53] <edmoore> yeah, i used my icom on about 10W to tune ours. but the advantage you get doesn't really matter. you'll still hear it fine unless you're trying to send it off to the horizon
[15:53] <ProjectCirrus> ok so make the overall length exactly 1/2 and the other bit exactly 1/4 and we won't go far wrong?
[15:54] <edmoore> i'm not sure about the overall length - i would make the folded back bit as he says in the instructions
[15:54] <edmoore> and the exposed bit 17.5cm
[15:55] <ProjectCirrus> ok
[15:55] <ProjectCirrus> will try
[15:55] <edmoore> right gtg
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[15:56] <ProjectCirrus> thanks
[16:01] <ProjectCirrus> c you later
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[16:05] <tobes> hello
[16:05] <jonsowman> hi
[16:06] <tobes> hello jon
[16:18] <tobes> is there any data to suggest what pressure the gas is exerting on the interior of the ballon prior to burst?
[16:20] <SpeedEvil> yes
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> some indications are that it's 3-4mb
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> in that some low inflation balloons seem to hover
[16:29] <tobes> ok thank you SE. I guess different balloon materials produce different pressures to an extent
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[16:32] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:44] <tobes> hello
[16:45] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[16:45] <tobes> sunday like
[16:46] <rjharrison> Hey I'v made it into the big time :) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=774_1269563554
[16:46] <rjharrison> If it's on liveleak :)
[16:47] <rjharrison> lol
[16:47] <DanielRichman> rjharrison,
[16:48] <DanielRichman> <DanielRichman> rjharrison, just floating an idea: try this http://gist.github.com/346344 as listen/allpayloads.php
[16:48] <Lunar_Lander> rjharrison nice PC array ;)
[16:49] <tobes> nice one
[16:51] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, nice video
[16:51] <Lunar_Lander> from which flight was the photo on the wall?
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[17:00] <gb73d> n e 1 see the sky news item about Icarus balloons during week ?
[17:06] <sbasuita> gb73d, most people saw icarus in the news
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[17:17] <sbasuita> Anybody got no-frills ebook reader recommendations?
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> what is the reader about?
[17:17] <gb73d> koolas I was pleased to see it was impressive
[17:17] <sbasuita> Lunar_Lander, reading? :P
[17:18] <gb73d> had not hrd of the camera guy and icaurs till then
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> xD ok
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> bbl
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[17:21] <SpeedEvil> ebuyer had one cheap atm I think
[17:23] <sbasuita> All I really need is an e-ink screen, usb mass storage connection, and ability to read popular pirate formats :D
[17:25] <russss> the Sony ones are pretty good
[17:26] <russss> not sure if there's anything cheaper than those.
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[18:02] <jonsowman> goodness sake freenode, sort it out
[18:04] <sbasuita> yeah freenode is a joke
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[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:08] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: hey
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> how's life :)?
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[18:09] <jonsowman> yeh not too bad. far too much work and not enough motivation
[18:09] <jonsowman> haha
[18:09] <jonsowman> yourself?
[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> yea, the same
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> I have to write Maths on Apr. 7
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> but I hope IÄ
[18:14] <jonsowman> fun
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[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> what happened?
[18:23] <jonsowman> netsplit
[18:23] <jonsowman> freenode is being crap
[18:23] <russss> they're being DDoSed
[18:24] <jonsowman> russss: really?
[18:24] <Hiena> Yup.
[18:24] <jonsowman> would explain it I guess
[18:26] <DanielRichman> do people not like freenode? or is it a non-malicious DDoS
[18:28] <gb73d> usual sunday night trafioc jam
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[18:29] <russss_> psh
[18:30] <jonsowman> lol
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[18:33] <jonsowman> waiting for DNS servers to update... Zzzzzzzz
[18:34] <DanielRichman> what's the TTL?
[18:34] <jonsowman> 48 hours
[18:34] <Russss> might be waiting a while.
[18:34] <DanielRichman> You gonna be waiting a while ;)
[18:34] <Russss> ugh, caps
[18:34] Nick change: Russss -> russss
[18:34] <jonsowman> but theres lots of servers for load balancing
[18:34] <jonsowman> some have updated
[18:34] <jonsowman> some havent
[18:34] <jonsowman> its annoying
[18:35] <DanielRichman> Do you have access/control over both the old and new ips simultaneously?
[18:35] <jonsowman> in a way
[18:36] <jonsowman> old IP is a VPS
[18:36] <DanielRichman> So you can display a holding page or something until they get updated
[18:36] <DanielRichman> I'm getting
[18:36] <jonsowman> it's for sheeva.hexoc.com
[18:37] <jonsowman> anyway its just a A-record so I can get my ISP to set up rdns for my home connection
[18:37] <DanielRichman> Your ISP sets up rdns for you?
[18:37] <DanielRichman> how courteous
[18:37] <DanielRichman> Who are they?
[18:37] <jonsowman> :)
[18:37] <jonsowman> Be
[18:38] <jonsowman> they'll do it as long as you have a static IP, which you get for free anyway
[18:38] <DanielRichman> Ahh. I used to have a Static IP; don't anymore. I never tried setting up RDNS
[18:38] <DanielRichman> but it's ok because I'm about to (weeks) switch off the home server
[18:39] <DanielRichman> not much use for it any more
[18:39] <jonsowman> fair enough
[18:39] <jonsowman> I've got a sheevaplug
[18:39] <jonsowman> file/print/backup server
[18:39] <DanielRichman> Yeah I saw. I heard about them back when they were launched. What's it like?
[18:40] <jonsowman> i'm pleased with it
[18:40] <jonsowman> draws about 2 Watts
[18:40] <DanielRichman> hmm. These guys reckon that their plugs will take over the datacentre.
[18:40] <jonsowman> mine's running Debian with the rootfs on the SD card to minimise wear on the NAND flash
[18:40] <jonsowman> yeh... not quite sure about that
[18:40] <jonsowman> but they do make excellent home servers
[18:40] <DanielRichman> Yes, it does look very good at that
[18:41] <jonsowman> nice and stable as well
[18:41] <DanielRichman> I think though that if I need a VPS/server in the future I more readily choose a slicehost or something over a home server
[18:41] <jonsowman> yeh i do own a VPS too
[18:42] <jonsowman> sheevaplug backs up VPS stuff, and is a file/print server for home LAN
[18:42] <DanielRichman> Yes. Over the LAN, go for it
[18:42] <DanielRichman> but serving... I'm enjoying my 50kbps upload :(
[18:42] <jonsowman> yeh thats a problem
[18:45] <jonsowman> hence why I dont really use it as a webserver
[18:46] <jonsowman> i use it for IRC though - irssi
[18:46] <DanielRichman> Ah, but of course
[18:46] <DanielRichman> why not a BNC or something? I know, irissi irissi, but xchat is just... nicer on the eyes?
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[18:48] <russss> hopefully we'll have our top floor finished soon and we can move out of this temporary bedroom :P
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[18:48] <jonsowman> oh hello zeusbot_
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[18:57] <gb73d> any good ballons going up next week n e 1 ?
[18:57] <jonsowman> gb73d:forecast for UK launches is looking pretty awfu
[18:57] <jonsowman> *awful
[18:58] <jonsowman> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/hourly-predictions/#
[18:58] <jonsowman> i think those parameters are for ALIEN but you get the idea
[18:59] <gb73d> i see yeah wx fcast not good
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[19:05] <fsphil> man those forecasts are as bad as they where a few weeks ago
[19:05] <jonsowman> fsphil: yes :(
[19:05] <jonsowman> sad isn't it
[19:06] <jonsowman> whos' waiting to launch at the mo?
[19:06] <fsphil> very, although it gives me more time to prepare my payload *g*
[19:06] <jonsowman> apostrophe fail.
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> the thing is that the UK is quite small and surrounded by sea
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> that makes it extra difficult I think
[19:07] <fsphil> not so much that it's small, it's really narrow
[19:07] <fsphil> never far from the coast, except maybe in deepest england
[19:07] <russss> we should clearly move to the middle of russia.
[19:08] <jonsowman> russss: that's an option
[19:08] <fsphil> or make the payload into a boat
[19:08] <jonsowman> or just aim to land it on the continet
[19:08] <fsphil> have it sail back autonomously
[19:08] <jonsowman> fsphil: lmao
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> the Euroskyboat
[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:10] <jonsowman> unfortunately none of the payloads currently waiting to fly are skyboats
[19:10] <jonsowman> :(
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> I have something to cheer you up
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLG2zK6DZlc&NR=1
[19:12] <jonsowman> bahaha
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:14] <jonsowman> ta for that
[19:15] <jonsowman> redesigning the PCB for Apex II
[19:15] <jonsowman> i really need to update the ukhas page on it
[19:15] <jonsowman> many things have changes
[19:15] <jonsowman> *changed
[19:15] <fsphil> what's new?
[19:15] <jonsowman> we're not using AFSK
[19:16] <jonsowman> just going for 50 and 300 baud RTTY
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> and that means in normal english :)?
[19:16] <jonsowman> well usually people just stick with the normal 50 baud RTTY
[19:16] <fsphil> easier to decode signals
[19:17] <jonsowman> we want to try some different data modes
[19:17] <jonsowman> so we're going to try transmitting on 300 baud as well as the normal 50 baud
[19:17] <fsphil> is there nothing better than rtty?
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[19:17] <jonsowman> fsphil: lots of things are better
[19:17] <fsphil> (my payload will be using 300 baud for the images)
[19:17] <jonsowman> few are easier
[19:17] <jonsowman> for example, getting a balloon to transmit BPSK31 is an ambition of mine
[19:18] <jonsowman> once I work out a way to do it :)
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:18] <fsphil> might have to make your own TX
[19:18] <fsphil> but that would be pretty neat
[19:18] <jonsowman> fsphil: yeh I would
[19:19] <jonsowman> and it wouldnt be simple
[19:19] <fsphil> shame there isn't an ssb version of the ntx2
[19:19] <jonsowman> but BPSK is incredibly noise resiliant and fldigi can decode
[19:20] <fsphil> I've received a couple and they came through nicely
[19:20] <jonsowman> we've got geiger-muller tubes on Apex II
[19:20] <jonsowman> should be interesting
[19:21] <fsphil> ah brilliant
[19:22] <jonsowman> and CHDK cameras, because using phone cameras is hard
[19:22] <fsphil> would be interesting to fly with the geigier counter in a few year time again, when the sun is more active
[19:22] <jonsowman> yeh
[19:22] <jonsowman> we've got two, wondering whether to fly both
[19:23] <fsphil> how big are they?
[19:23] <jonsowman> about the size of a thumb lol
[19:23] <jonsowman> they only weigh 7 grams
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> how's that?
[19:24] <fsphil> no harm flying both .. are they directional?
[19:24] <jonsowman> yes
[19:24] <fsphil> point one down, one up
[19:24] <jonsowman> yeh could do
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> no, one vertical, one horizontal
[19:25] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: mmm yes
[19:25] <jonsowman> think thats a good plan
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[19:26] <natrium42> jonsowman, should try rapid ascent
[19:26] <natrium42> and parachute deployment just before impact :)
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> hello natrium42
[19:26] <natrium42> hi
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> jonsowman has geiger counters
[19:26] <jonsowman> natrium42: would be interesting
[19:27] <natrium42> the only problem would be to make the payload fall in a certain orientation
[19:27] <natrium42> so that chute can be deploued upwards
[19:28] <natrium42> *deployed
[19:28] <jonsowman> yep would be a tad catastrophic if the parachute deployed downwards
[19:28] <fsphil> two wings on the top of the payload, creating drag
[19:28] <natrium42> maybe some sort of shuttlecock design
[19:28] <natrium42> right
[19:28] <fsphil> might cause it to spin like crazy though
[19:29] <natrium42> spin stabilization!
[19:29] <jonsowman> not that again
[19:29] <fsphil> lol
[19:29] <natrium42> jonsowman, how long does it take to get premission for another launch site?
[19:29] <natrium42> cambrige is really poorly positioned
[19:30] <DanielRichman> ping rjharrison
[19:30] <jonsowman> is this for a single launch?
[19:30] <jonsowman> oh right, blanket one as CUSF have>?
[19:30] <natrium42> maybe a few week window?
[19:30] <natrium42> might get it sooner than the winds improve :P
[19:30] <jonsowman> the smaller the window the easier it is to get
[19:30] <jonsowman> the guy you need to speak to is called David Miller
[19:31] <jonsowman> Airspace Utilisation Section at the CAA
[19:31] <jonsowman> from my experience he seems quite helpful
[19:31] <natrium42> sbasuita, do we have a job for you!
[19:32] <jonsowman> do the research and make sure your not under airport approaches etc
[19:32] <jonsowman> the closer to airports, the more things like NOTAM and phoning ATC towers etc you have to do before launch
[19:32] <sbasuita> natrium42, oh?
[19:33] <natrium42> sbasuita, getting a launch permission for a more western site :)
[19:33] <natrium42> might be quicker than waiting for the winds to improve
[19:33] <sbasuita> hmmm
[19:34] <sbasuita> natrium42, would be nice to meet up with everybody from cambridge though =/
[19:34] <jonsowman> sbasuita: we all have cars :)
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:34] <jonsowman> natrium42: how's the site we used for Apex I - if this is just a one-off?
[19:35] <jonsowman> was was bromyard
[19:35] <jonsowman> few miles west of worcester
[19:35] <GW8RAK> Following this discussion intently. When we get around to a launch, I'd be looking for a site on the Wales borders.
[19:35] <DanielRichman> looks ideal
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> what was on Apex I?
[19:35] <jonsowman> natrium42: we used the playing field of the Queen Elizabeth Humanities College
[19:36] <jonsowman> they were happy to let us launch there
[19:36] <jonsowman> as long as the launch party has public liabbility insurance
[19:36] <natrium42> bromyard looks good
[19:36] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:apex-i
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[19:37] <natrium42> jonsowman, how long did it take to get premission?
[19:37] <fsphil> ooh a ts-7260 -- I like TS's boards.
[19:37] <jonsowman> well it took a while as we moved the site quite a few times, ending up in bromyard in the end
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[19:37] <jonsowman> this time, you could just say "launch was from there before"
[19:38] <jonsowman> its a really good spot that's very out of the way of flightpaths
[19:38] <jonsowman> I've still got all the OS map scans and things from talking to mr. miller, so you're welcome to those if you want to try and get permission again for there
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[19:44] <jonsowman> http://www.hexoc.com/balloon/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=17
[19:44] <jonsowman> pics from the launch
[19:44] <jonsowman> if you want to see the launch site in bromyard
[19:48] <natrium42> jonsowman, just need to convince sbasuita, DanielRichman & co.
[19:48] <DanielRichman> ummm
[19:48] <jonsowman> natrium42: fair enough
[19:48] <natrium42> otherwise they will keep saying launch is in one week
[19:48] <jonsowman> well i'm happy to help if they decide to go for it
[19:48] <natrium42> for weeks
[19:48] <DanielRichman> lets be fair natrium42, we do have a genuine excuse now
[19:48] <DanielRichman> have you seen the predictor?
[19:49] <DanielRichman> natrium42, btw, can you poke rjharrison for me?
[19:49] <natrium42> yeah :S
[19:49] Action: natrium42 pokes rjharrison for DanielRichman
[19:49] <DanielRichman> thanks man
[19:49] Action: natrium42 pokes rjharrison with an extremely sharp stick (one atom at the tip)
[19:50] Action: jonsowman wonders how natrium42 managed to make such a sharp stick
[19:50] Action: DanielRichman makes the observation that the sharp stick has probably just been blunted to less than 1 atom at the top simply by moving it through the air in order to aim at rjharrison
[19:50] <natrium42> atomic force microscope
[19:50] <DanielRichman> **more
[19:51] <natrium42> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AFM_%28used%29_cantilever_in_Scanning_Electron_Microscope,_magnification_1000x.JPG
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> awesome
[19:54] <fsphil> odd, google search for fltk isn't showing fltk.org
[19:54] <natrium42> it is for me
[19:54] <fsphil> oh but now it is
[19:54] <fsphil> just to prove me wrong
[19:54] <fsphil> google's out to get me
[19:55] <natrium42> :)
[19:55] <natrium42> time to take your medicine, fsphil
[19:56] <jonsowman> right im off guys
[19:56] <fsphil> I knew I shouldn't have taken that red pill
[19:56] <jonsowman> catch you later
[19:56] <fsphil> later jonsowman!
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[20:08] <sbasuita> sent 182.03G bytes received 64.25K bytes 26.80M bytes/sec
[20:08] <sbasuita> total size is 182.00G speedup is 1.00
[20:08] <sbasuita> woo backup complete
[20:09] <sbasuita> been intending to do that for too long ;P
[20:10] <DanielRichman> You need to clean up your ~
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:13] <sbasuita> that's just music and films/tv though
[20:14] <DanielRichman> write a script to compare the accessed dates on them (perhaps before you backed them up if rsync modifies them)... see how many have accessed dates > modified dates
[20:14] <sbasuita> or just keep them all just in case i want to listen/watch them ;P
[20:15] <sbasuita> also i have noatime
[20:15] <DanielRichman> in case you want to watch them?
[20:15] <DanielRichman> you sound like AlexBreton and his ebooks
[20:15] <sbasuita> let's be fair 182 gb is nothign
[20:15] <sbasuita> its not like i'm short on storage
[20:16] <sbasuita> my hdd is 500gb and then the backup drive is 1tb
[20:16] <DanielRichman> if you insist
[20:16] <sbasuita> ofc i do
[20:16] <DanielRichman> so you can have 10 mirrors going unless you use some hardlink magic
[20:16] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, tbf don't be jealous of my torrenting prowess xD
[20:16] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, btw had an idea earlier: seedplug
[20:17] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, we've talked before about electricity + plants -> bottom line is you can't make frankenplant
[20:17] <DanielRichman> what?
[20:17] <natrium42> i want the 1TB laptop hdd
[20:18] <DanielRichman> you have 1TB of stuff that needs to live on your laptop?
[20:18] <natrium42> what is WD doing... it has been officialy "out" for months but you can't buy it anywhere
[20:18] <natrium42> i am triple booting linux, osx and windows
[20:18] <DanielRichman> you mad?
[20:18] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, he mad
[20:18] <natrium42> eh?
[20:18] <natrium42> what's mad about that?
[20:18] <sbasuita> natrium42, rubbish meme
[20:18] <DanielRichman> still, you don't need 1TB for that
[20:19] <natrium42> i have 320GB in right now
[20:19] <natrium42> but it's getting tight
[20:19] <DanielRichman> !!!
[20:19] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, never delete anything
[20:19] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I don't
[20:19] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, k
[20:19] <DanielRichman> natrium42, you don't duplicate all your data over the 3 os partitions?
[20:19] <natrium42> no
[20:19] <sbasuita> can os x do ntfs?
[20:19] <natrium42> but some apps are the same
[20:19] <DanielRichman> how much is OS vs data?
[20:19] <natrium42> yes
[20:20] <natrium42> well, my primary OS is linux, which has a 20GB partition for root and 100GB for /home
[20:20] <natrium42> and the rest is divided between osx and windows (windows gets more)
[20:21] <natrium42> apple makes nice laptops, but OSX sucks horribly
[20:21] <DanielRichman> Question 1, 3 marks: (28:53). http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00p27k7/b00p272q/The_Armstrong_and_Miller_Show_Series_2_Episode_6/
[20:21] <sbasuita> natrium42, i thought os x was the main reason for buying into the overpriced apple hardware?
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[20:21] <DanielRichman> Identify the 2 console programs
[20:21] <natrium42> sbasuita, not for me
[20:21] <sbasuita> hmm
[20:21] <natrium42> sbasuita, where else can you buy metal laptops?
[20:21] <sbasuita> natrium42, interesting point
[20:21] <natrium42> everything is plastic crap
[20:22] <DanielRichman> Apple also sell the most expensive shiny rectangle in the history of um..
[20:23] <natrium42> eh?
[20:23] <natrium42> i want to see this shiny rectangle
[20:23] <DanielRichman> the iPad?
[20:23] <natrium42> ah
[20:23] <natrium42> i will rather get the HP slate
[20:23] <DanielRichman> I want to see what the Chrome OS slates look like
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[20:24] <sbasuita> so when can i buy a monitor that switches between led and e-ink?
[20:25] <DanielRichman> LCD?
[20:25] <DanielRichman> and it already exists I think
[20:25] <DanielRichman> just not in production.
[20:27] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, oled not lcd
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[20:27] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/29/pixel-qi-demonstrates-three-mode-3qi-display-merges-e-ink-with/
[20:28] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, serious want
[20:28] <sbasuita> maybe you could have certain sections of the screen colour, and others e-ink so you could display images alongside text
[20:28] <sbasuita> that would be awesome
[20:29] <DanielRichman> mmm
[20:29] <_abc_> Just use an alpha channel on both and you can mix them at will ...
[20:29] <natrium42> that sbasuita knows where his towel is
[20:29] <DanielRichman> Not sure you can have alpha on eink
[20:29] <DanielRichman> or olcd
[20:30] <_abc_> I think you can if you combine them
[20:30] <_abc_> The transparent part has to be lcd anyway
[20:30] <DanielRichman> Yes
[20:30] <_abc_> So it gets to be on top. Done.
[20:31] <_abc_> Of course 'some' work will be needed to get the contrast reasonably high.
[20:31] <_abc_> I wonder just how thin devices can become. 3mm thick is not unheard-of now. You can't bend them (yet) but that's coming too.
[20:32] <_abc_> I guess in a few years a phone or pad terminal will look like a tattoo ...
[20:32] <_abc_> Paste it on in the morning...
[20:32] <sbasuita> what happens if you brain computer gets a virus?
[20:32] <_abc_> I had that. It's bad. You need *antibiotics* ...
[20:33] <sbasuita> ;P
[20:33] <fsphil> saw that coming :p
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[20:33] <_abc_> Anyway you people must have an opinion on those tiny cube like wireless cameras for $TOPIC.
[20:34] <_abc_> Good bad horrible ?
[20:35] <_abc_> Come to think of it, what would happen if one would simply lift a GSM phone with camera and *call* it to take a photo via script ... yes I know it's not good to operate a phone in the air ... just suppose ...
[20:35] <fsphil> very difficult to get a signal above a certain altitude
[20:35] <natrium42> GSM signal drops at around 1-2km
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> almost zeroes range - the first
[20:36] <_abc_> Hmm I think that the tower signal drops, the handset is omni.
[20:36] <sbasuita> _abc_, yes, the towers have below-horizontal gain
[20:36] <_abc_> A 2W omni should go well beyond 20km
[20:36] <_abc_> At 1.8GHz
[20:37] <_abc_> Even 0.6W should go pretty far
[20:38] <_abc_> In the past I have scavenged RF power modules from old analog cell phones for PA use.
[20:38] <_abc_> Is there a ham band beyond 1296MHz?
[20:38] <fsphil> several
[20:38] <natrium42> i think you'd have to go directional at that frequency
[20:39] <_abc_> I mean is there any portion of 2.4GHz which is usable by hams? (and quit enough - ok microwave ovens don't fly but there are plenty of other things)
[20:39] <_abc_> *quiet
[20:39] <_abc_> natrium42: Why? If you have enough power, why go directional?
[20:39] <_abc_> natrium42: The ground station would likely be directional anyway.
[20:39] <natrium42> path loss is higher with higher frequency
[20:40] <natrium42> i have a 1W wifi adapter, it doesn't go more than 500m
[20:40] <_abc_> Not just higher, but 2.4 is very sensitive to humidity.
[20:40] <_abc_> natrium42: That is strange
[20:40] <_abc_> natrium42: Tried it 1:1 with an identical model?
[20:41] <natrium42> no
[20:41] <natrium42> i should
[20:41] <_abc_> natrium42: You know that both ends should have similar ERP for comms to work in both directions.
[20:41] <_abc_> Sorry if I'm preaching here.
[20:42] <natrium42> yeah, otherwise you get hit by sensitivity of regular units
[20:42] <_abc_> I used WiFi access at more than 200 meters using a simple wire dish and USB adapter mounted in the focal point. No special measures.
[20:42] <_abc_> Estimated 9dB gain.
[20:43] <_abc_> The level was +20dBm
[20:43] <_abc_> on Tx
[20:43] <_abc_> The link would drop at least 6dB when it got wet outside and 9 to 10dB when it was raining hard
[20:44] <_abc_> not funny.
[20:44] <natrium42> hehe
[20:44] <natrium42> _abc_, Alfa AWUS036H-V5 is the one i got
[20:44] <natrium42> with 9dBi antenna
[20:44] <_abc_> I don't know it.
[20:44] <natrium42> http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-73/Alfa-AWUS036H-1000mW-USB/Detail.bok
[20:44] <_abc_> mine was a no-name simple one
[20:45] <natrium42> ralink chipset?
[20:45] <_abc_> Is that power legal where you are?
[20:45] <natrium42> i don't think so
[20:45] <natrium42> *cough*
[20:47] <_abc_> natrium42: Not Ralink, I don't remember what it was now
[20:47] <natrium42> ralink is very well supported in linux
[20:47] <_abc_> natrium42: 1W with 9dB is almost hot enough to melt marshmallows :D
[20:48] <natrium42> hehe
[20:49] <_abc_> natrium42: There is a company that makes building to building links which are quite powerful and legal (they have a different regime from normal adapters)
[20:49] <_abc_> They look like small cell tower antennas.
[20:49] <natrium42> (also you can penetration test "your own" network with ralink as it supports injection)
[20:50] <_abc_> Mine was a Zydas
[20:51] <_abc_> I found it now
[20:51] <_abc_> Cheapest possible device you can buy.
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[21:05] <rjharrison> Evening all
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> hello rjharrison
[21:05] <rjharrison> Hi Lunar_Lander
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> Apex II will be soon said jonsowman
[21:06] <rjharrison> Hi RocketBoy, natrium42
[21:06] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, !
[21:06] <rjharrison> Hey DanielRichman
[21:06] <rjharrison> How's it going
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> oh hello RocketBoy
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> the first balloon will probably be due soon
[21:06] <natrium42> hi rob
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:07] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, just floating an idea: try this http://gist.github.com/346344 as listen/allpayloads.php
[21:07] <natrium42> our present spokesperson :D
[21:07] <DanielRichman> might make it easier
[21:11] <rjharrison> DanielRichman :)
[21:11] <rjharrison> Cool
[21:11] <rjharrison> That was a very lazy hack befor :)
[21:12] <DanielRichman> Well having the ability to maintain separate payload xml files is very useful
[21:12] <DanielRichman> but downloading them all in one go is easier to code.
[21:12] <DanielRichman> (see my github master branch)
[21:14] <rjharrison> DanielRichman, as you seem very keen on the development of the listener it would be cool to bae able to stor data that is not sucessfully uloaded for later uload
[21:14] <DanielRichman> You mean, if the curl post fails, it will later try to re upload?
[21:15] <rjharrison> I'm putting together a media page of the last few days.
[21:15] <rjharrison> Yep
[21:15] <rjharrison> DanielRichman
[21:15] <rjharrison> That is exactly what I mean
[21:15] <DanielRichman> Hmm
[21:15] <gb73d> good night all seeya next sunday happy easter 73s
[21:15] <rjharrison> Is often the chase car is the best for logging but the worst for connection
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> thanks gb73d
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[21:16] <rjharrison> nights
[21:16] <DanielRichman> I like the idea, but it will have to be done a bit later
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> man I forgot what I wanted to say
[21:16] <rjharrison> DanielRichman ok
[21:17] <fsphil> lol Lunar_Lander
[21:17] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, if we want to do that we have to attach a timestamp to the data we're getting. But if we want to do that, we have to take into account if the decoder doesn't get anything it doesn't output a byte, so it might not be as simple as shoving a datestamp on the beginning of each message, which theoretically could actually span two messages
[21:18] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, I can't remember who on #ha was writing a decoder but it might be interesting to take a new, fresh rtty decoder and made something that's built from the ground up to be a distributed listener client
[21:18] <fsphil> quick question (maybe): is there a 'best practices' way of adding a new window to fldigi?
[21:18] <DanielRichman> fsphil, whatever you do you need to also consider thread safety
[21:19] <DanielRichman> I think sbasuita knows how to do it
[21:19] <DanielRichman> and jcoxon but he's not here
[21:19] <rjharrison> But I guess the thread could dump to local text file and then use a command to flush back into the server later
[21:19] <sbasuita> fsphil, you need to edit src/dialogs/fldigi.cxx
[21:19] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, but you need to make sure you don't mix new and old data
[21:19] <sbasuita> fsphil, fl_digi.cxx*
[21:19] <fsphil> I've got a window opening, but from the looks lf it I need to put all the widgets in fl_digi.cxx too
[21:19] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, and if we're going down that road we can do all kinds of awesome synchronisation
[21:20] <rjharrison> Right I'm going to have some fun dloading an linking some of the interviews I'v done over the last 5 days
[21:20] <fsphil> doesn't seem that clean -- I'd prefer to have then all in a separate file
[21:20] <russss> I was writing a RTTY decoder for GNU Radio for a little while before I got bored of my lack of DSP knowledge.
[21:20] <rjharrison> DanielRichman can't we just use the gps time that comes from the payload
[21:20] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, but the data might be corrupted
[21:21] <rjharrison> And so will the checks sum so bye bye sentance
[21:21] <DanielRichman> are checksums on the payload standard now?
[21:21] <rjharrison> Let some one else log it
[21:21] <rjharrison> I think so be mad not too
[21:22] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, well storing and uploading sentences that fail is easy enough, but you implied that we also want to store if fldigi is closed/the power is lost
[21:23] <rjharrison> No no just the connection to the server
[21:23] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, hmm. I reckon it can be done
[21:23] <rjharrison> as it's the GSM connection that tends to drop from arguably the closest listener, The chase car
[21:25] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, so we log all sentences that we try to upload, then provide a web interface through which anyone can upload a full log to be merged into the database... that lets people that also fly a SD card for log upload their data
[21:26] <rjharrison> Yep that would be the plan and you select the payload and hey presto data in
[21:28] <DanielRichman> so you could have a table 'strings', with payload, message_id and 'data' columns
[21:28] <DanielRichman> then when a listener uploads a sentence it gets thrown into the table
[21:28] <DanielRichman> and whenever a bulk upload happens it also gets thrown in
[21:28] <DanielRichman> then you can order by message_id and you've got your flight
[21:28] <DanielRichman> and if you want you can compare the several rows that there will be for message_id to pick the best one
[21:29] <DanielRichman> serve it up to the ajax people (perhaps have a way that you can ajax-remove old points and replace them with new ones, doesn't the current system only support adding new points)?
[21:34] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, are you going to upload that allpayloads.php suggest ? :P
[21:40] <sbasuita> Maybe we should start considering some authentication on string uploads?
[21:40] <sbasuita> At the moment its pretty easy to ruin somebodies mission...
[21:45] <fsphil> would be pretty easy to spot bad data, exclude the uploader IP?
[21:48] <sbasuita> yep
[21:48] <sbasuita> but still its not hard to get a new ip if yours is dynamic
[21:49] <fsphil> true
[21:49] <fsphil> any kind of authentication would require a secret
[21:49] <sbasuita> could set it up so anybody can upload, but there is a special vip database that we can rely on
[21:50] <fsphil> would be easier, nothing special required in the flight code
[21:52] <sbasuita> i just think its important to consider security, especially as hab is getting wider exposure
[21:52] <DanielRichman> iirc there are sanity checks sbasuita
[21:52] <DanielRichman> they'd have to be a fairly crafty niche DoSer
[21:52] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, right but you could still make the payload veer off course
[21:53] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, yeah but let's be fair, who would want to?
[21:53] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, some bored person
[21:53] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, they'd probably idle in this channel whilst doing it
[21:54] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, while I agree, there are projects more worthy of your effort in HAB right now
[21:54] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, so at what point does security become important?
[21:55] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I'm just sayin', it'd be better to get dl-fldigi up to version 2 rather than worry about the low probability that someone's going to put effort into trying to make the tracker display wrong data
[21:55] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, also the chase car will probably use its own copy rather than the tracker
[21:55] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, it will be easier to do authentication if room is made for it early
[21:57] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, perhaps have the abillity to put the dl-server into "dos mode" where we start whitelisting known good ips, and all the rest of the time it just accepts anything from anyone
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[21:57] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, yes, a simple set of firewall rules would do the job
[21:57] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, its nice to be prepared with some scripts/knowledge beforehand though
[21:57] <fsphil> the UI and modem runs in different threads, right?
[21:58] <DanielRichman> yeah
[21:58] <fsphil> np .. all my changes are on the UI side so far
[21:58] <DanielRichman> once we have a string we set up a curl request then let a separate thread finish it off
[21:59] <earthshine> evening
[21:59] <DanielRichman> hi
[21:59] <fsphil> tis indeed :)
[21:59] <fsphil> hiya earthshine
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> hi earthshine
[22:01] <earthshine> hey
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[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
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[22:11] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:11] <jcoxon> wow 53
[22:12] <DanielRichman> hello jcoxon
[22:12] <jcoxon> hey DanielRichman
[22:13] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, have a look at my newest dl-fldigi/master branch; it's a threaded implementation that downloads payload data and so would make it easier to update it not only at the beginning of dl-fldigi, but during its running, without damaging/blocking the rest of the program
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> hello jcoxon
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> what is the record for people in here?
[22:13] <DanielRichman> also I suggest this http://gist.github.com/346344 as listen/allpayloads.php to make it easier; only requires the download of one file, but that's just an idea
[22:13] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, okay cool
[22:14] <jcoxon> will check it out
[22:14] <DanielRichman> cool :)
[22:14] <jcoxon> though will be tomorrow
[22:14] <jcoxon> no coding for me tonight
[22:14] <jcoxon> just driven for 3hrs
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[22:14] <DanielRichman> Ah, fun!
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> when are your finals by the way?
[22:16] <jcoxon> 17th may till 1st June
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> so you have some prep time left
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[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> some fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLG2zK6DZlc&NR=1
[22:22] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, so your master branch is the latest?
[22:23] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, http://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/network
[22:23] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, there's also my status-tests branch with working & stable experiments in there
[22:24] <DanielRichman> but you probably don't want that just yet as there were some decisions regarding the statuses that needed to be made
[22:24] <jcoxon> you've merged your network into your master according to the ma
[22:24] <jcoxon> p
[22:25] <DanielRichman> mmm I merged 'download' into 'master'
[22:25] <DanielRichman> after it looked like it would sort of work
[22:25] <jcoxon> oh thats what i mean
[22:25] <rjharrison> jcoxon DanielRichman & sbasuita are doing some cool things with the client
[22:25] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, my branch doesn't have the code to parse the xml
[22:25] <DanielRichman> or update the UI
[22:25] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, you up for putting that allpayloads.php gist online?
[22:25] <jcoxon> oh fair enough
[22:26] <sbasuita> rjharrison, well mainly DanielRichman; i haven't been up to much ;)
[22:26] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, so your payload.xml grabbing code isn't actually attached to anything
[22:26] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, my branch expects the allpayloads.php idea. and caches it to .fldigi/dl-fldigi-cache.xml (or something)
[22:26] <jcoxon> okay cause currently my master branch does it the old way
[22:26] <rjharrison> I suggested being able to upload sentances later if they fail due to connection being lost
[22:26] <rjharrison> DanielRichman yep
[22:27] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, it needs a couple more commits yet, perhaps if you want you can pull it into your own branch but maybe not your master yet
[22:27] <jcoxon> okay
[22:28] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, I might be able to fix it tomorrow
[22:28] <rjharrison> natrium42, Im going to be on CNN live at 11:40 BST tomorrow
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[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:29] <DanielRichman> :O
[22:29] <fsphil> rjharrison, can I have your autograph? ;-)
[22:31] <Laurenceb> hello
[22:31] <Laurenceb> what he done now?
[22:31] <rjharrison> fsphil lol
[22:31] <Laurenceb> :P
[22:31] <fsphil> c++ newbie question: I'm trying to create an object in fl_digi.cxx, included the file that declares it but getting: foo was not declared in this scope
[22:31] <Laurenceb> rjharrison: new media fame?
[22:32] <rjharrison> DanielRichman allpayloads.php is done
[22:32] <natrium42> rjharrison, am or pm?
[22:32] <rjharrison> am
[22:32] <rjharrison> I'm going to so my best to mention bill brown
[22:32] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, great! http://robertharrison.org/listen/icarus-big.xml is causing some interesting results :P
[22:33] <rjharrison> DanielRichman just ignore it if you can
[22:33] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: Thought you may be interested in this - its actually quite feasible to use some of those CF gas cylinders armadillo aerospace and others use to power a car - using compressed mains gas
[22:33] <rjharrison> Do I need to delete it
[22:33] <natrium42> rjharrison, aargh, too early for me :S
[22:33] <rjharrison> or move it
[22:33] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, no
[22:33] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, is it used?
[22:33] <rjharrison> natrium42 np I'll get CNN to do it later for you :P
[22:33] <natrium42> \o/
[22:33] <Laurenceb> rjharrison: where are you appearing?
[22:33] <rjharrison> DanielRichman no
[22:34] <fsphil> hmm, on CNN at 11:30-12:00 BST is World Sport :)
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> rjharrison who is Bill Brown?
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb, hmm. compressor would be tough.
[22:34] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, if you rename it to icarus.big.xml I think the regexp will ignore it
[22:34] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, i've got to sleep now - stupidly tired
[22:34] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, night
[22:34] <jcoxon> will be around to do stuff tomorrow perhaps
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> good night jcoxon
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[22:34] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, otherwise I could change allpayloads.php to have some sort of list of files to include or ignore
[22:34] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: yeah about 1000psi would be good, but its very cheap
[22:34] <Laurenceb> at least as good as electric
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> I have one more question before I go to bed
[22:35] <rjharrison> does that work now DanielRichman
[22:35] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, it does look like it, thank you
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[22:36] <rjharrison> Laurenceb I'm doing a live link into CNN at 11:40 BST
[22:36] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, I will try to implement parsing tomorrow
[22:36] <Laurenceb> live link?
[22:36] <Laurenceb> as in live launch?
[22:36] <Laurenceb> oh in ~1 hour?
[22:36] Action: Laurenceb searches for web feed
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb, hmm. 3p/kwh vs 110p for 35MJ.
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> 35MJ is 10kwhish
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> so a quarter?
[22:39] <Laurenceb> yeah
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[22:40] <Laurenceb> but maybe more feasible and cheaper than electric
[22:40] <Laurenceb> roof rack + bungee cords :P
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> does anybody know about Polaroid film?
[22:40] <fsphil> yay, fixed newbie error. silly casting mistake
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[22:43] <rjharrison> natrium42 CNN’s American Morning 7:40 ET
[22:43] <natrium42> yeah, but they don't have Grad Student Morning :S
[22:43] <rjharrison> hehe
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[22:47] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb, what's the tax?
[22:50] <Laurenceb> same as LPG?
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> for motoring I mean.
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> also - IIRC you can register as a small biodiesel producer - then simply tip tescos cheapest ino your tank for some saving.
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[22:58] <Laurenceb> yeah
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[23:01] <rjharrison> bed time for me
[23:01] <rjharrison> got a busy day tomorrow
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[23:44] <jonsowman_away> hi all
[23:46] Nick change: jonsowman_away -> jonsowman
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