highaltitude.log.20100327

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[00:09] <rjharrison> http://www.theworld.org/2010/03/26/weather-balloon-photos-from-space/
[00:09] <rjharrison> Audio file is nice
[00:14] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/images/various/flickr-stats.jpg
[00:15] <earthshine> nice
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[00:16] <earthshine> Holy crap! Over 1M hits !
[00:16] <SpeedEvil> wow!
[00:16] <SpeedEvil> shoulda setup adwords :)
[00:20] <LazyLeopard> eeep!
[00:21] Action: LazyLeopard is reminded of Venus Transit day...
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[00:22] <SpeedEvil> Iswhen?
[00:28] <LazyLeopard> back in 2004
[00:28] <earthshine> lol yeah Rick
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> oh
[00:29] <rjharrison> SpeedEvil can I do ad words?
[00:30] <rjharrison> I think I may get a few more hits tomorrow
[00:30] <jcoxon> i doubt it as flickr is yahoo
[00:30] <earthshine> yep
[00:30] <SpeedEvil> anyone can
[00:30] <earthshine> oh yeah
[00:30] <SpeedEvil> on your own sitw only though
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[00:30] <earthshine> what kind of stats is your own site getting though ?
[00:30] <rjharrison> It's broke
[00:31] <rjharrison> It got several million hits yesterday and died
[00:31] <earthshine> oh dear
[00:31] <rjharrison> rewite to flickr now
[00:33] <LazyLeopard> Our astro soc. website ticked over at about 10Meg a day. Then ESA decided to link to a page of ours, and the hits started to build rapidly. On the day itself we hit something over 1.5Gig. Thankfully the ISP were understanding and didn't suspend us for excessive bandwidth use...
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[00:34] <LazyLeopard> --> bed. G'night.
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[00:35] <earthshine> bye
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[00:37] <rjharrison> nights all
[00:38] <rjharrison> I'm off to bed
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[01:09] <earthshine> night
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[02:03] <genjix> hai!
[02:04] <genjix> i guess you all go bed early
[02:06] <earthshine> hi
[02:07] <earthshine> Early? It's 2am in the UK
[02:08] <genjix> Yes, I know. I'm in the UK as well.
[02:09] <genjix> is this number 1 speaking
[02:09] <earthshine> ?
[02:10] <earthshine> No I am Number 6
[02:11] <genjix> well anyhow, sciancer mister, i want to know how to establish an ant colony on mars from earth
[02:11] <genjix> using cheap equipment
[02:11] <earthshine> Easy - send them up in a balloon
[02:11] <genjix> ants are all euosociological so you know, best choice, will sacrifice for greater good
[02:11] <genjix> cockroaches are just gross
[02:12] <genjix> k, how will i direct them to mars, should i use a series of ejected debris that will set it off course or something
[02:12] <earthshine> The ants can do that themselves
[02:12] <genjix> no i am serious
[02:13] <earthshine> Train them to spray Formic acid from vents in flight
[02:13] <genjix> takes too long
[02:13] <earthshine> Then use plasma jets
[02:13] <genjix> that will be too hot no?
[02:14] <genjix> maybe i can just have them exist in space, but there will be oxygen problems
[02:14] <earthshine> Not if you put the ants into frozen stasis
[02:14] <genjix> same on mars
[02:14] <genjix> this is not a star trek
[02:14] <earthshine> take microbial algae lifeforms to cultivate on Mars
[02:14] <genjix> gp
[02:14] <genjix> in b4 nasa
[02:15] <genjix> so what projects are you working on?
[02:15] <earthshine> Earthshine1
[02:15] <genjix> what is this
[02:15] <earthshine> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:earthshine
[02:16] <genjix> oh so you a member of hackspace
[02:17] <earthshine> What makes you think that ?
[02:17] <genjix> I have never done this before so I am relying on the experience and expertise of the rest of the UKHAS veterans. JCoxon has so far given a lot of assistance at London Hackspace
[02:17] <earthshine> Do you go to hackspace ?
[02:17] <genjix> yes once
[02:17] <genjix> i went with my brother when i was a lil girl
[02:18] <earthshine> I see
[02:18] <genjix> if i cant establish an ant colony on one of these planets, then i will just set up a human ant colony
[02:18] <genjix> also tell me this
[02:19] <earthshine> yep
[02:19] <genjix> well nothing, just hail carl sagan
[02:19] <earthshine> indeed i agree
[02:20] <genjix> have you seen the symphony of science videos
[02:20] <earthshine> yes
[02:20] <earthshine> clever
[02:20] <genjix> i'm going to make one, and that will be my first contribution to science
[02:20] <genjix> i figured out how to autotune
[02:21] <genjix> http://www.youtube.com/bliszs#p/a/u/0/qx_iGDd77qI
[02:21] <earthshine> Great stuff
[02:22] <genjix> but anyhow i gotta work on figuring how to establish colony, maybe i will need a little ecosystem within the box thing
[02:22] <earthshine> is that you ?
[02:23] <genjix> yeh, this was just a test video
[02:23] <genjix> http://www.youtube.com/user/JMW19#p/a/u/1/H7B_PShdu-M we got a response though
[02:23] <genjix> *cries*
[02:23] <earthshine> there is a guy on that video too
[02:24] <genjix> because we are part of the intergalactic front
[02:24] <earthshine> great
[02:24] <genjix> wait i will show you logo
[02:26] <earthshine> so are you bliszs ?
[02:26] <genjix> yes
[02:26] <genjix> i think it would be good to use some of that guys footage in our video
[02:27] <earthshine> So why bliszs on YouTube and Genjix on here ?
[02:27] <earthshine> What guy ?
[02:27] <genjix> this is my brothers irc
[02:27] <earthshine> I see
[02:27] <genjix> the one who is all faymus now for his digital camera
[02:27] <earthshine> ?
[02:27] <genjix> also, i want to make it more a documentary than music, but music, but for say half an hour and not just using quotes
[02:27] <genjix> robert harrison
[02:28] <earthshine> Robert is your brother ?
[02:28] <genjix> no no, the guy with the footage
[02:28] <genjix> one moment i will find link
[02:28] <genjix> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/collections/72157621244472915/
[02:28] <earthshine> ok nm i see what you mean
[02:29] <earthshine> yeah i've seen those
[02:29] <genjix> but anyhow, i am recruiting people much more knowledgeable than me to help work on the writing and participate in the documentary
[02:29] <earthshine> i see
[02:29] <earthshine> and you are the girl in that video with the autotune ?
[02:30] <genjix> yess
[02:30] <earthshine> so who is the guy ?
[02:30] <genjix> my job is mainly just to arrange it, and write the plot of the video and other people will just participate and contribute
[02:30] <genjix> the guy is just a friend i have, we wrote that poem together
[02:30] <earthshine> I see
[02:30] <genjix> he does the graphics for the video, he is an animator
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[02:31] <genjix> so what do you say?
[02:31] <genjix> want to help with something new
[02:31] <earthshine> About what ?
[02:32] <genjix> making a documentary, but musical and inspiring
[02:32] <earthshine> Doing what ?
[02:32] <genjix> just participating ideas, quotes, clips anything
[02:32] <earthshine> well it depends what you are doing exactly
[02:33] <earthshine> Plus how do I know you're not a guy pretending to be a girl ?
[02:33] <genjix> what, why would that even matter
[02:33] <earthshine> well it would show you are dishonest and have no integrity
[02:34] <genjix> that you are even saying this shows that you have troubles trusting people
[02:35] <earthshine> not in the slightest
[02:35] <genjix> why would you question something like that, why not question something else
[02:35] <genjix> why even question
[02:36] <earthshine> You seem a bit touchy about that
[02:36] <genjix> that is a sly thing to say
[02:38] <earthshine> OK this concersation has taken a wrong turn
[02:39] <genjix> yes
[02:39] <earthshine> I think I am going to go to bed now
[02:39] <genjix> amateur
[02:39] <earthshine> ?
[02:40] <genjix> it is only like 3
[02:41] <earthshine> and that makes me an amateur ?
[02:41] <genjix> yes
[02:41] <genjix> i stay up to 5 for the ant empire
[02:43] <earthshine> OK well good luck with that
[02:43] <genjix> thanks
[02:43] <earthshine> Let me know how it went in the morning
[02:43] <earthshine> Bye
[02:43] <genjix> bye
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[05:26] <rjharrison> moring all
[05:27] <DaveyC> morning :)
[05:29] <DaveyC> Hmm, if people are waking up, i guess that must be time for bed lol
[05:29] <DaveyC> Goodnight :)
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[05:31] <rjharrison> ping natrium42
[05:42] <natrium42> sup rjharrison ?
[05:47] <rjharrison> Ooh sorry
[05:47] <rjharrison> browsing
[05:48] <rjharrison> Interesting email from "as a navigator for the Cassini spacecraft "
[05:48] <natrium42> cool, what did that person say?
[05:48] <rjharrison> Intereted in the telemetry with email address @nasa.gov :)
[05:49] <rjharrison> Might be worth having a chat with him later
[05:49] <natrium42> awesome
[05:49] <natrium42> now you can claim to have spoken to NASA :D
[05:49] <rjharrison> haha
[05:50] <rjharrison> I did a great plug for them yesterday saying that if the americans and nasa haddent spent billions of $ on GPS nav then this project would be impossible
[05:50] <rjharrison> NBC are comming over today
[05:51] <rjharrison> In about 4 hours
[05:51] <rjharrison> Going to do somthing on morning TV for 3 minutes
[05:56] <natrium42> neat!
[05:56] <natrium42> i think this is a new record for exposure :)
[06:02] <natrium42> rjharrison, don't worry too much about inaccuracies, it's the media
[06:03] <natrium42> just have fun
[06:03] <natrium42> those kind of stories are inspiring to many
[06:08] <rjharrison> natrium42 it will conclude on Monday with 5 mins on Morning tv with CNN
[06:09] <natrium42> all the major networks
[06:09] <natrium42> :)
[06:09] <rjharrison> I'm doing a little bit tonight on Australia TV too and juxta has given me permission to plug him as a local ozy doing the same
[06:10] <rjharrison> They seemed keen to do a follow up article with him which he's keen to do
[06:16] <natrium42> rjharrison, btw, wb8elk seems to have submitted some data
[06:16] <rjharrison> Yep just got read an email from him
[06:16] <natrium42> is launch still on?
[06:16] <rjharrison> Took a while to find
[06:16] <rjharrison> I got over 10000 emails yesterday
[06:16] <natrium42> wow
[06:17] <natrium42> did you answer them all? >:)
[06:17] <rjharrison> 1/2 are people linking to me in flickr the others are really quite nice
[06:17] <natrium42> any conspiracy theorists?
[06:18] <rjharrison> A couple
[06:18] Action: natrium42 had a chemtrail guy emailing him
[06:18] <natrium42> a while ago, though
[06:18] <rjharrison> I'll put some of the funnier posts up later when I get some time
[06:18] <natrium42> kk
[06:18] <natrium42> so bill still launching today?
[06:18] <rjharrison> Yep 15:00 UTC
[06:19] <rjharrison> Which is great as it should be the lul between NBC and OZ
[06:19] <rjharrison> So I will get 5 hours of HAB in today
[06:19] <rjharrison> :)
[06:19] <natrium42> lol
[06:20] <rjharrison> Anyhow I think I have had my 15 minuets of fame :)
[06:30] <rjharrison> natrium42 should the tracker be cleared
[06:30] <rjharrison> or will james do that before launch
[06:30] <natrium42> yeah, i think positions are still coming in
[06:30] <rjharrison> oh cool
[06:31] <natrium42> nah, looks like they stopped
[06:31] <natrium42> brb shaving
[06:32] <rjharrison> hehe cool
[06:32] <rjharrison> I need to have a shower and get ready for nbc
[06:33] <rjharrison> Can i nick a copy of the tracker again put it behind htaccess password
[06:33] <rjharrison> I just want to do some screen size changes and turn off the graph for eee and main server
[06:33] <rjharrison> Or can we do that with space near us now?
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[06:38] <rjharrison> Morning juxta_
[06:38] <rjharrison> well evening with you
[06:38] <juxta_> hey rjharrison
[06:38] <rjharrison> You got 5 for a skype
[06:38] <juxta_> sure
[06:38] <juxta_> 2 secs
[06:39] <rjharrison> Let me know when your ready ir just call through
[06:39] <rjharrison> or
[06:51] <rjharrison> hehe connection lost
[06:51] <rjharrison> np
[07:04] <natrium42> rjharrison, feel free to grab it
[07:04] <natrium42> note that there are some DB changes too
[07:04] <natrium42> screen size is draggable btw
[07:05] <natrium42> or you could add files to spacenear
[07:05] <natrium42> up to you
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[07:21] <jcoxon> ping natrium42
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[07:36] <jcoxon> ping ping ping natrium42
[07:37] <jcoxon> oh and ping rjharrison
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[07:44] <_abc_> Hello. I have knowledge of a previous Canadian (2005) project which is similar to this one but more advanced. Here is the link in case you do not know it: http://members.shaw.ca/sonde/index.htm
[07:44] <_abc_> I will post it again later
[07:44] <_abc_> In case it went unnonticed
[07:45] <jcoxon> _abc_, oh yes
[07:45] <jcoxon> thats an excellent project
[07:45] <jcoxon> shame that it eventually crashed into the mountain
[07:46] <_abc_> jcoxon: Anything that flies long enough will crash or become unusually eventually.
[07:46] <jcoxon> indeed
[07:46] <_abc_> Given what they did (extreme altitude launch of a low Mach number capable airframe) they were very lucky.
[07:46] <jcoxon> it certainly inspired many of us
[07:48] <_abc_> s/unusually/unusable/
[07:49] <natrium42> jcoxon, sup?
[07:49] <jcoxon> natrium42, ummm i found the tracker being really slow
[07:50] <jcoxon> for a while it was stuck on showing data about an hour late
[07:50] <jcoxon> but then it caught up
[07:50] <jcoxon> the other issue is that because in dl-fldigi we use localtime (well in the latests we don't) WB8ELK isn't being shown as an active listener
[07:51] <natrium42> should really use UTC
[07:51] <jcoxon> it does now :-[
[07:51] <natrium42> :S
[07:51] <jcoxon> but can't really roll it out in time hehe
[07:51] <natrium42> so what part is slowing the data down?
[07:51] <jcoxon> i'm really not sure
[07:52] <jcoxon> perhaps it was my internet connection
[07:52] <jcoxon> it caught up
[07:52] <jcoxon> and then was pretty live
[07:52] <jcoxon> i'm not sure but i thought i'd give you a heads up
[07:52] <natrium42> kk
[07:52] <jcoxon> right i need to go back to london
[07:52] <natrium42> will you be on later?
[07:53] <jcoxon> for the flight i'll try to be as i suspect we might need a tiny bit of debugging :-p
[07:53] <natrium42> ok, cool
[07:53] <jcoxon> cya
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[08:46] <earthshine> morning
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[10:25] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3keLeMwfHY&feature=player_embedded
[10:52] <earthshine> cool
[10:52] <earthshine> crazy - but cool
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[11:19] <Laurenceb> its kind of cheating - theres a micro in there
[11:20] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/6LSrg.png <- close to finished :D
[11:22] <edmoore> nice work Laurenceb
[11:23] <Laurenceb> thanks - I promise to stick it on github
[11:23] <Laurenceb> need to do a proper bom etc
[11:24] <earthshine> Laurenceb: What GPS are you using for that board?
[11:24] <Laurenceb> - its basically stm32 autopilot with a SEPIC convertor for power, 8x servo pwm i/o , rs485, gps, imu, 434mhz transceiver
[11:24] <Laurenceb> ublox5 - fsa03
[11:25] <earthshine> Thought so from teh cutout
[11:25] <Laurenceb> oh and bmp085 pressure sensor - with digikey sell for less than spark
[11:26] <Laurenceb> - http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/1630945-digital-barometric-pressure-snsr-bmp085.html
[11:26] <Laurenceb> the BOM has ended up around £70
[11:27] <earthshine> that's reasonable
[11:27] <edmoore> that's pretty reasonable
[11:27] <edmoore> presumably w/o pcb
[11:28] <Laurenceb> yeah
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[11:28] <juxta_> hi all
[11:28] <Laurenceb> I need to drop linear tech an email to see if they can check my spice model of the power supply
[11:28] <Laurenceb> hi
[11:29] <Laurenceb> pcb should be pretty cheap - 2 layer with 8mil traces - batchpcb or seedstudio
[11:29] <Laurenceb> seedstudio have thinner board , so lighter
[11:30] <edmoore> you think they'll do that for you?
[11:30] <edmoore> (check your spice)
[11:37] <edmoore> i just plugged a pyro into my laptop headphones port (we have 3.5mm jacked pyros for one of our applications). silly me.
[11:38] <earthshine> lol
[11:38] <shauno> did it make more or less noise than you expected?
[11:45] <edmoore> oh it didn't pop
[11:45] <edmoore> not enough power available from a headphone jack
[11:46] <edmoore> also i think i wired them so the current had to flow from right to left, and left ground unwired. for precisely this eventuality, I guess!
[11:49] <Laurenceb> edmoore: they provide spice models
[11:49] <edmoore> that's good of them
[11:50] <Laurenceb> so im hoping if I send a nice email saying I want to use your parts for blah blah application, can you offer any recommendations
[11:51] <Laurenceb> they might be helpful
[11:52] <Laurenceb> atm the design uses a SEPIC convertor built around an LT3467 to 3.45v, then a LTC1844 LDO down to 3.3v
[11:52] <Laurenceb> theres 3 seperate 3.3v rails for digital/sensors/gps
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[12:19] <peol> rjharrison: Well done! Congrats :)
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[12:41] <menacethegreat> Lo all
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[12:43] <SpeedEvil> on your own sitw only though
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> oops
[12:44] <earthshine> ?
[12:49] <rjharrison> Hi guys
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[13:11] <earthshine> hey
[13:20] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, can you pastebin the contents of listen/payload.php?
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[14:03] <DaveyC> afternoon all :)
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[14:14] <DaveyC> does anyone know if the launch is still going ahead?
[14:17] <sbasuita> DaveyC, i haven't heard anything to the contrary - it is due to launch at 1500 utc so we'll know soon http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[14:17] <DaveyC> ty :)
[14:18] <sbasuita> DaveyC, actually its 1545 utc according to http://hiwaay.net/~bbrown/index.htm
[14:19] <DaveyC> cool.. thanks m8
[14:21] <sbasuita> looks like it'll do aprs as well http://aprs.fi/?call=WB8ELK-11
[14:21] <sbasuita> *back to revision* :|
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[14:24] <DaveyC> on a saturday too :( well, have fun hehe
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[14:25] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, what you revising?
[14:26] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, greek
[14:27] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, º±¸¯¶É. No looking.
[14:27] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, meh
[14:27] <DanielRichman> ha.
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[15:22] <rjharrison> Launch ?
[15:22] <rjharrison> 15:00 UTC
[15:22] <rjharrison> bbrown
[15:22] <rjharrison> pind DanielRichman
[15:22] <rjharrison> Do you still want pastebin?
[15:23] <DaveyC> hi rjharrison, sbasuita sent me a link before that it's actually 1545 according to his website
[15:24] <rjharrison> none, atlas, badger
[15:24] <rjharrison> badgercub
[15:24] <rjharrison> icarus
[15:24] <rjharrison> xaben
[15:24] <rjharrison> horus
[15:24] <rjharrison> bc_hk
[15:24] <rjharrison> b2_hk
[15:24] <rjharrison> wb8elk
[15:24] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, yes please, but I'm going out now
[15:24] <rjharrison> orion
[15:24] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, I mean the php source
[15:24] <rjharrison> That's the payload xml
[15:24] <rjharrison> Ok what 4
[15:24] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, I'm considering the possibility of delivering all xml files in one download to make dl-client code easier
[15:24] <rjharrison> hehe that is the source :)
[15:24] <DanielRichman> it's just a flat file?
[15:24] <DanielRichman> OK :P
[15:24] <rjharrison> yep
[15:25] <DanielRichman> kk, bbiab
[15:25] <rjharrison> np
[15:30] <rjharrison> i5 mins to launch then
[15:30] <rjharrison> 15
[15:33] <edmoore> who's launching in 15?
[15:36] <rjharrison> bill brown
[15:37] <edmoore> hf?
[15:37] <edmoore> otherwise we've no hope of hearing it :)
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[15:46] <rjharrison> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
[15:47] <rjharrison> He should be sending the data back
[15:48] <DaveyC> hi rjharrison.. Can I ask.. I was given the tracker link etc earlier, but I am seeing nothing as yet. in fact, All i see on it is a radio tower over the UK.
[15:48] <DaveyC> is there a specific link i need, or do i just wait?
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[15:52] <jonsowman> hi all
[15:52] <rjharrison> DaveyC Something will come up if bill brown fires up his radio and wifi connection
[15:54] <DaveyC> ahh okay, thankyou :)
[16:10] <rjharrison> Its up
[16:10] <rjharrison> tracker
[16:12] <rjharrison> bill brown has launched
[16:13] <rjharrison> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[16:13] <DaveyC> cool! :)
[16:18] <rjharrison> Predictor looks good
[16:19] <jonsowman> yup
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[16:20] <G8DSU> Like the burst prediction icon!
[16:22] <sbasuita> the tracker prediction integration is awesome
[16:22] <jonsowman> sbasuita: it is rather
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[16:23] <edmoore> yeah, natrium did a nice job if integrating the code
[16:23] <edmoore> the burst icon is fun
[16:23] <jonsowman> how are things edmoore?
[16:24] <edmoore> busy.
[16:24] <edmoore> but happy
[16:24] <edmoore> you?
[16:24] <jonsowman> thats good i suppose, and yeh all good thanks
[16:24] <jonsowman> enjoying being at home
[16:25] <edmoore> american civil planners seem to like right-angles
[16:25] <rjharrison> hehe
[16:25] <edmoore> it's headsing towards my mill
[16:25] <jonsowman> lol
[16:26] <edmoore> right gtg
[16:26] Nick change: edmoore -> edmoore|away
[16:26] <jonsowman> catch you later
[16:30] <sbasuita> it's going to land in the middle of a forest
[16:30] <sbasuita> he better be ready to shake some branches ;)
[16:30] <jonsowman> hope he's got a few long poles
[16:30] <edmoore|away> or chop away the entire volume of tree that is entrapping the payload
[16:31] <edmoore|away> as has been done before by some people who shall remain nameless
[16:31] <sbasuita> >_>
[16:32] <edmoore|away> when do you know you have downloaded a vim plugin? when the documentation contains sentences like this:
[16:32] <edmoore|away> "Thanks to the following people for testing, bug reports, ideas etc. Without
[16:32] <edmoore|away> you I probably would have got bored of the hacking the NERD tree and
[16:32] <edmoore|away> just downloaded pr0n instead."
[16:32] <jonsowman> edmoore|away: ahaha
[16:33] <sbasuita> maybe we should be collecting statistics about how good the predictions are
[16:33] <sbasuita> ie. save the predictions from 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 days before
[16:33] <edmoore|away> that would be worthwhile
[16:33] <jonsowman> it'd be interesting to get the tracker to display the original prediction as well the dynamic one
[16:34] <edmoore|away> yeah. during a flight it should save the predicted spot each iteration
[16:34] <edmoore|away> then create a plot of euclidian error vs time
[16:34] <edmoore|away> which should zoom to zero, obv
[16:34] <sbasuita> i'll let the maths geniuses in here work it out ;P
[16:35] <rjharrison> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36063922#36049710
[16:35] <rjharrison> lol
[16:35] <jonsowman> rjharrison: niiice
[16:36] <jonsowman> smarter than NASA?
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[16:37] <rjharrison> if you're not board yet http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36063922#36060447
[16:38] <jonsowman> oh rjharrison i meant to ask
[16:38] <jonsowman> what was the company you used for the icarus III pcb?
[16:38] <jonsowman> i know i already asked, but forgot...
[16:38] <rjharrison> Olimex as advised by edmoore
[16:38] <jonsowman> ah yes
[16:38] <jonsowman> thanks :)
[16:38] <rjharrison> CUSF have used them before
[16:38] <jonsowman> yeh... couldnt remember the name
[16:40] <jonsowman> rjharrison: impressive stuff :)
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[16:42] <edmoore|away> right, am actually going to successfully be away now
[16:42] Nick change: edmoore|away -> edmoore|definite
[16:42] <jonsowman> haha
[16:55] <sbasuita> a rift in the space-time continium thingy ;o http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[16:56] <edmoore|definite> checksum fail methinks
[16:58] <rjharrison> no
[16:59] <rjharrison> I think bad gps data
[16:59] <rjharrison> and checksum is correct
[16:59] <rjharrison> But maybe not
[16:59] <rjharrison> humm what is the checksum
[16:59] <edmoore|definite> bad gps data? that's a *very* odd kind of an error to get from a GPS
[16:59] <rjharrison> yep
[16:59] <rjharrison> you're right ed
[16:59] <edmoore|definite> they usually just say 'i dunno mate' in preference to putting out improbable data that breaks its dynamical laws
[17:00] <rjharrison> humm weird
[17:00] <sbasuita> off it goes again
[17:01] <sbasuita> btw, is the 'Rate' speed on the right 3d or 2d?
[17:02] <rjharrison> aah only using the nmea xor checksum
[17:02] <jonsowman> interesting flight path
[17:03] <edmoore|definite> this is excellent real data though
[17:03] <edmoore|definite> we know for sure the a xor checksum smells of poo
[17:06] <rjharrison> edmoore|definite humm somehting else is going wrong
[17:06] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[17:07] <G8DSU> Interesting comparison with http://aprs.fi/?call=WB8ELK-11 - do both position reports use the same GPS?
[17:08] <sbasuita> G8DSU, that path has some dodgy movements in as well
[17:09] <G8DSU> Noticed that, but different apparent dodginess
[17:09] <sbasuita> G8DSU, well the dodginess appears at the same time
[17:16] <rjharrison> WTF http://topnews.us/content/214401-it-director-launches-meteorological-balloon-picture-earth-makes-nasa-curious
[17:16] <rjharrison> I feel a law suit comming on
[17:17] <rjharrison> Did I have a fave lift ?
[17:17] <sbasuita> in other news, spacenear us is fixed :)
[17:17] <rjharrison> face
[17:17] <sbasuita> rjharrison, lmfao
[17:17] <rjharrison> thats a new on one me sbasuita
[17:17] <rjharrison> English?
[17:17] <sbasuita> "news you can trust"
[17:17] <sbasuita> rjharrison, profanity + laughter
[17:17] <rjharrison> Ahh
[17:17] <rjharrison> Cool
[17:17] <sbasuita> ;P
[17:22] <sbasuita> hang on
[17:22] <sbasuita> did i say "news you can trust"?
[17:22] <sbasuita> its "news you can use"
[17:22] <sbasuita> god i'm just being taken over by advertising
[17:22] <rjharrison> lol
[17:22] <rjharrison> WTF is going on with the dadat
[17:22] <rjharrison> data
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[17:23] <sbasuita> surely this is a gps error
[17:23] <rjharrison> There is something weird going on here
[17:23] <rjharrison> No as edmoore|definite says it's more likely to be a uC coding problem
[17:23] <sbasuita> must be two separate gps devices for the aprs and rtty
[17:23] <rjharrison> I think they are linked
[17:23] <rjharrison> If they both show error!
[17:24] <sbasuita> but the error is only on spacenear.us
[17:25] <sbasuita> but if it were a checksum error, i'd expect it to have most data on the right path, and some erroneous
[17:26] <rjharrison> Humm
[17:26] <rjharrison> HAB is fun
[17:26] <sbasuita> ;P
[17:40] <rjharrison> haha I bet it's the dp issue where leading zeros are ommited
[17:40] <rjharrison> anyone aggree
[17:40] <rjharrison> burst
[17:45] <rjharrison> it's a classic crossing of the lat/long lines
[17:47] <rjharrison> leading 0000's after the DP
[17:51] <jonsowman> rjharrison: ah right
[17:52] <rjharrison> Do you concur sir
[17:53] <rjharrison> I'm 99% sure that waht it was
[17:53] <rjharrison> edmoore|definite?
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[18:02] <rjharrison> Bill brown needs to run some test data through his system
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[18:07] <rjharrison> hey natrium42
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[18:07] <rjharrison> I think we have had the leading 0's after the DP problem
[18:08] <rjharrison> natrium42 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
[18:09] <rjharrison> There are 3 vids on here which are entertaining
[18:10] <rjharrison> It's funny giving the main website url
[18:11] <natrium42> haha, wow
[18:11] <earthshine> evening
[18:13] <earthshine> I've had my Canon A560 doing images every 10 seconds for the last 6 hours using standard rechargeable AA's
[18:14] <earthshine> Woh!! That is an interesting GPS trace !
[18:15] <natrium42> rjharrison, interview was smooth
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> earthshine, that's over 9000.
[18:15] <natrium42> they gave you a lot of screen time :)
[18:15] <natrium42> SpeedEvil, impossible, check again!
[18:16] <earthshine> 2160
[18:16] <rjharrison> natrium42 that was unusual
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[18:17] <earthshine> Hey what happened to wearing the lab coat !!
[18:18] <rjharrison> lol
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[20:00] <haptiK> earthshine: i was thinking about wearing a lab coat around my office, but then i realized it wouldn't be so awkward.
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[20:49] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, just floating an idea: try this http://gist.github.com/346344 as listen/allpayloads.php
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[21:12] <Laurenceb> hello
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[21:21] <SpeedEvil> helicopterd
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> err
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> hello
[21:24] <jonsowman> hello
[21:25] <DanielRichman> helicopter daemon?
[21:25] <Laurenceb> lol
[21:26] <Laurenceb> how did WB8ELK go?
[21:26] <jonsowman> Laurenceb: http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[21:27] <Laurenceb> its in flight?
[21:27] <jonsowman> nope
[21:27] <jonsowman> but the track is slightly... weird
[21:27] <jonsowman> i dont know what happened
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[21:32] <juxta_> morning all
[21:32] <jonsowman> ju
[21:32] <jonsowman> juxta_: hi
[21:32] <juxta_> hey jonsowman
[21:33] Action: juxta_ woke up early to watch rob on tv :P
[21:34] <jiffe99> that's quite the trip that thing took :)
[21:36] <jonsowman> jiffe99: ha
[21:37] <juxta_> =lkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkyhp['0oppppp7-/.
[21:37] <juxta_> """""""""""""""""
[21:38] <jiffe99> cleaning your keyboard?
[21:38] <juxta_> whoops
[21:38] <juxta_> cat
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[21:51] <earthshine> lol
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[22:01] <earthshine> I'm making a Timelapse movie out of 2223 still i took today
[22:01] <earthshine> *stills
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[22:03] <DanielRichman> What are the stills pictures of?
[22:03] <earthshine> Just the skyline out of my study window
[22:03] <earthshine> I took 1 image every 10 seconds throughout the day
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[22:05] <russss> Noisebridge are launching one of their balloons today too
[22:05] <russss> with the android payload
[22:05] <earthshine> Ahh yes I read about that
[22:07] <juxta_> noisebridge?
[22:07] <russss> san francisco hacker space
[22:07] <russss> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Spacebridge
[22:08] <earthshine> Something makes me think that after Roberts coverage of the activity there will be LOTS of launches over the next few weeks and months
[22:08] <juxta_> hehe
[22:09] <fsphil> most of them unauthorized probably
[22:09] <earthshine> no doubt
[22:09] <fsphil> hope not though -- if there are two many it makes problems for the people who do ir right
[22:09] <fsphil> ir=it
[22:09] <earthshine> yep
[22:09] <earthshine> there is always the danger that some idiot messes it up for the rest of us
[22:10] <earthshine> The government has already ruined the hobby of UAV's
[22:10] <earthshine> it is only a matter of time before all kinds of legislation comes into force to ruin HAB too
[22:10] <earthshine> so get your flights in quick before it becomes illegal to do a launch
[22:12] <russss> meh, flying an unlicensed UAV out of sight of an operator has never been legal
[22:12] <juxta_> uav's are ticky here too
[22:12] <russss> they just made it a bit more explicit (and also added the "unmanned surveillance vehicle" thing)
[22:13] <earthshine> another pastime ruined by paranoid red tape
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[22:13] <russss> HAB is less dangerous due to kinetic energy and less of a potential privacy violation
[22:14] <russss> presumably it's the same in most countries.
[22:14] <earthshine> Yeah but since when has a government been able ot see sense ?
[22:15] Action: fsphil thinks about that
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[22:16] <russss> I wonder what the CAA would do if you applied for an airworthiness exemption for a UAV.
[22:16] <russss> because that would exempt you from the airworthiness directive rules
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[22:18] <fsphil> would a glider dropped from a balloon be considered a uav?
[22:18] <russss> the key part is that it's not considered a balloon.
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[22:18] <russss> and so it would either be a UAV or a standard RC aircraft. Neither of which are allowed to be operated that high up.
[22:19] <fsphil> not really a vehicle either
[22:25] <JamesLeeds> what happens if an unauthorized launch is in a flight path
[22:25] <JamesLeeds> pretty sure the plane would not suffer
[22:26] <JamesLeeds> even if it got sucked into an engine
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[22:30] <fsphil> dunno, payloads are not as squishy as birds
[22:30] <DanielRichman> bad things happen
[22:30] <fsphil> or if the balloon gets stuck on the window
[22:30] <DanielRichman> someone will want to know who launched it
[22:31] <russss> yeah
[22:31] <earthshine> I am sure a couple of cameras getting sucked into a jet engine would do some damage
[22:31] <russss> bird strikes are pretty harmful to engines anyhow
[22:31] <DanielRichman> You probably wouldn't bring the plane down, but the media and gvnmt and plane owners will all be after you :P
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[22:36] <earthshine> Yep - and then it won't be long after that before amateur HAB becomes illegal without all kinds of permits
[22:37] <russss> it's worth noting that it's already illegal without a permit :)
[22:38] <JamesLeeds> but yeah.. could be very dodgy
[22:38] <earthshine> ?
[22:39] <JamesLeeds> a box of cameras and radios into a plane engine
[22:39] <JamesLeeds> or.. hitting a plane
[22:40] <JamesLeeds> of course.. putting the whole thing in a big 'Buzzard' costume, would avoid the whole issue
[22:40] <earthshine> russs - explain
[22:40] <earthshine> That's a good idea
[22:40] <earthshine> or make the balloon look like a giant jellyfish
[22:40] <fsphil> or a flying spaghetti monster
[22:41] <JamesLeeds> :P yeah pilots will be used to seeing them all the time
[22:41] <earthshine> yeah - then the pilot just won't bother to report it
[22:41] <russss> you need permission from the CAA...
[22:41] <juxta_> argh, im forced to watch political bickerings and intros to twilight while I wait for this segment of Rob's on tv here
[22:41] <earthshine> Oh yeah - but I mean like you'll need a special licence signed in triplicate by the Queens dog, etc.
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[22:44] <Asteras> hi
[22:45] <Asteras> I would like to congratulate Mr Harrison for his great achievement on capturing Earth with homemade photo kit
[22:45] <Asteras> I found about it at Scientific American: http://www.scientificamerican.com/video.cfm?id=74027384001
[22:46] <Asteras> That is his site: http://www.robertharrison.org.uk/icarus
[22:46] <earthshine> Yes we know thanks
[22:46] <Asteras> That is his site: http://www.robertharrison.orgicarus
[22:46] <Asteras> sorry
[22:46] <Asteras> is he around?
[22:46] <Asteras> is he here now?
[22:47] <Asteras> grrr, I made a mistake AGAIN:
[22:47] <Asteras> That is his site: http://www.robertharrison.org/icarus
[22:47] <Asteras> that is the proper URL
[22:47] <Asteras> the pictures and videos are really capturing my imagination
[22:47] <N900evil> we know the site.
[22:47] <fsphil> they are nice pics
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[22:48] <N900evil> no, he isnMt online.
[22:49] <Asteras> this is the first time I join your channel
[22:49] <Asteras> even that IRC network
[22:49] <Asteras> I find your channel interesting
[22:49] <N900evil> check the wiki and site in the topic
[22:50] <Asteras> are you aware of this? http://home.earthlink.net/~quade/lawnchair.html
[22:50] <Asteras> this is another... high altitude project!
[22:52] <Asteras> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Walters
[22:52] <fsphil> there are quite a few out there
[22:53] <Asteras> at the time Larry Walters tried something like Mr Harrison's project, there were no digital cameras, so he had to be there himself
[22:53] <earthshine> lol
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[22:55] <Asteras> earthshine: were you aware of that story?
[22:56] <earthshine> err..
[22:56] <earthshine> yes
[22:56] <earthshine> So did Mr. Walters get to above 100,000 feet ?
[22:56] <Asteras> I wish I could do it myself
[22:56] <Asteras> naaah
[22:56] <N900evil> you can.
[22:56] <earthshine> If so he would have had great views of the curvature of the earth
[22:56] <Asteras> just 4600m
[22:56] <N900evil> order a lot of weather balloons and sstring.
[22:56] <earthshine> 4600m - is that all ?
[22:57] <fsphil> and would need a rather expensive space suit :)
[22:57] <Asteras> he was spotted by a commercial plane
[22:57] <earthshine> Well in that case it doesn't qualify for HAB
[22:57] <N900evil> you only need a complex suit if you need articulation.
[22:58] <N900evil> a capsule is almost trivial.
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[22:58] <Asteras> I wonder what the flight assistants thought when they heard a pilot reporting: I see a man sitting on a lawn chair in front of me
[23:00] <Asteras> unfortunately, this daredevil committed suicide
[23:00] <earthshine> SO.... CAN YOU GIVE ME THE LINK TO THE SITE THAT HAS THE PHOTOS HE TOOK FROM THAT ALTITUDE PLEASE?
[23:00] <earthshine> oops
[23:02] <Asteras> you mean Larry Walters?
[23:02] <russss> 'He also took a camera but later admitted, "I was so amazed by the view I didn't even take one picture."'
[23:03] <tobes> hello could somebody give me some advice please on using 2 ballons for high altitude (one main the other as a cross feed) Any thoughts. its probably a rubbish idea
[23:04] <earthshine> He sat in a chair at 4600m and didn't take one picture ?
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[23:05] <Asteras> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Walters#Imitators
[23:06] <Asteras> others tried that as well
[23:06] <Asteras> this chap was freezing cold up there
[23:07] <earthshine> serves him right th ebloody idiot
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[23:11] <Asteras> he got a Darwin Honourable Mention for that one!
[23:11] <Asteras> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Awards#Examples
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[23:14] <rjharrison> hey edmoore
[23:14] <rjharrison> where are the buggers
[23:14] <edmoore> hi
[23:14] <edmoore> lol
[23:14] <edmoore> don't know
[23:14] <rjharrison> Tyoical
[23:14] <edmoore> it's after 11 on a sat night so praps they're out. I'm about to head back out too
[23:15] <Asteras> rjharrison: Hi, are you the person that made NASA wonder?
[23:15] <rjharrison> Right I'll think on this tonight and will try to get every one together tomorrow
[23:15] <rjharrison> Asteras, yep afraid so
[23:15] <Asteras> congratulations!!!
[23:15] <rjharrison> Asteras thanks it's been fun
[23:15] <Asteras> I used to live in West Yorkshire myself...
[23:15] <tobes> well done
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[23:15] <rjharrison> Thanks
[23:16] <rjharrison> Ahh ones here ed
[23:16] <edmoore> there you go
[23:16] <rjharrison> 99
[23:16] <edmoore> right, see you 2morrow
[23:16] <rjharrison> RocketBoy 99
[23:16] <rjharrison> ok ed
[23:16] <edmoore> (have to head out)
[23:16] <rjharrison> np
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[23:16] <Asteras> rjharrison: I was just telling the users of the channel of a "similar" project to yours
[23:17] <Asteras> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Walters
[23:17] <fsphil> night all! long day. sleep time :)
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[23:17] <Asteras> the chap that flew at 16000 feet with a... lawn chair
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[23:21] <tobes> rj could you help me with a technical query please?
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[23:22] <rjharrison> go on tobes
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[23:24] <tobes> thank you. I am just starting out so i suspect its been tried or at least asked but is it possible to use two balloons? One main the other as a pressure relief?
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[23:24] <rjharrison> No as one will burst and the other wil remain
[23:25] <rjharrison> and it will fall very slowly going 100's of miles away
[23:25] <Asteras> you want to rescue your equipment, right?
[23:26] <tobes> so the expanding gas wouldnt neccesarily travel to the other if it had a path to (a connection)
[23:26] <tobes> its the height and recording. the kit can go....
[23:28] <rjharrison> tobes it's a nice idea
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[23:28] <rjharrison> It will give you more weight but like you say more expansion
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[23:29] <tobes> is it just that? could it have a realistic chance. Id have the bare minimum for data purposes
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[23:34] <Asteras> can you do all that with a Papin-like safaty valve?
[23:35] <Asteras> can you do all that with a Papin-like safety valve?
[23:35] <tobes> not sure what that is..
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[23:36] <Asteras> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_valve
[23:36] <tobes> ok hang on
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[23:36] <Asteras> I am not an engineer
[23:37] <Asteras> I am not even a HAP enthusiast, I just discovered your channel today, searching for Robert's achievement
[23:37] <rjharrison> basically by linking the balloons tobes is making two balloons into one
[23:37] <rjharrison> Ie bigger balloon = higher balloon
[23:39] <tobes> oh ok Im a helicopter maintenance engineer, and me to, just today. The general jist of the valve could work but there are many others. micro valves that are wirelessly operated might be a bit more suitable
[23:40] <Asteras> what I suggest is a controlled helium leak
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[23:41] <tobes> could be but i suspect that there would need to be a minimum hieght at which it should start. The kit would need to be quite high before any advantages were lost in ascent
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[23:45] <Asteras> I have another question: Am I right to think that a kit of certain weight W and volume V will inevitably be stuck in an altitude where the atmosperic density d=M/V?
[23:45] <Asteras> Archimedes principle, i suppose
[23:46] <tobes> i think so..it sounds right but i'd like to find out...and there are other things to do once its there too
[23:47] <Asteras> I think that robert evades that by making his balloons explode at a lower altitude
[23:47] <Asteras> I suppose it is a sort of Boyle-Marriot principle there
[23:48] <tobes> you non engineer you
[23:48] <Asteras> tobes: did I say anything stupid?
[23:48] <tobes> no..not at all
[23:49] <Asteras> I am a bioinformatician
[23:49] <rjharrison> bed time
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[23:49] <tobes> if anything very usefull
[23:49] <tobes> there hes off to build a mother of a balloon
[23:50] <Asteras> and in bioinformatics, you need to be able to combine God knowns how many things...
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[23:50] <Asteras> tobes: MOAB perhaps?
[23:50] <tobes> at least 100 all linked to each other..I shall look up bioinformatics
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[23:51] <tobes> DNA
[23:51] <Asteras> yeap
[23:52] <tobes> well done you
[23:53] <Asteras> so, you are an engineer
[23:53] <Asteras> my goodness, a helicopter one
[23:53] <Asteras> do you work for RAF?
[23:54] <tobes> yep.. I try. More maintenace side but i try to get deeper when i can. civillian
[23:55] <tobes> er its clocks forward in how many?
[23:55] <Asteras> I have to change my clock in an hour or so
[23:56] <Asteras> I live in a GMT+2 country (-;
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