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[07:04] <earthshine> morning
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[14:08] <jonsowman> earthshine: ping
[14:39] <earthshine> hi
[14:42] <earthshine> jonsowman: ping
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[16:41] <earthshine> Guys - uBlox modules have arrived
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[17:47] <earthshine> evening
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[18:20] <jcoxon> evening all
[18:21] <jcoxon> hehe teh cusf predictor is becoming quite popular for the US amateur balloon guys
[18:21] <LazyLeopard> ;)
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[18:24] <jcoxon> ooo and i'll certainly be ordering a FSA03 for BH5
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[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:37] <SpeedEvil> helo
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> I'm astonished at the bad performance a balloon would have tomorrow
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> I set up Presque Isle, Maine as launch point for tomorrow 10 GMT
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> 30000m float altitude, one day of float
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> it just got to the middle of Newfoundland
[19:40] <Randomskk> you think that's bad, look at what happens if we launch from cambridge on a normal non-floating flight http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/hourly-predictions/
[19:41] <sbasuita> ;(
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> sorry, won't load
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> but let me guess
[19:42] <Randomskk> it gets to amsterdam ffs
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> all trajectories lead into the wash?
[19:42] <Randomskk> yes
[19:42] <Randomskk> or worse
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> damn
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[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> be back in a minute
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> returned
[19:54] <jonsowman> earthshine: ping
[19:56] <Laurenceb> hi
[19:56] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/RNbrz.png
[19:56] <Laurenceb> ^ its taking shape :D
[19:56] <Randomskk> looking good
[19:57] <Laurenceb> I will setup a github account soon, promise
[19:57] <Laurenceb> very busy and its rather disorganised atm
[19:57] <Laurenceb> need to organise it a little and add a few txt files of readme
[19:57] <Randomskk> eagle files on github is always really messy unfortunately
[19:58] Action: Randomskk doesn't currently github his eagle files but should do
[19:59] <Laurenceb> smps at lower rhs, silabs transceiver lower lhs
[19:59] <Laurenceb> hopefully the rest is obvious
[19:59] <Laurenceb> its 35x65mm atm, but its going quite nicely, I think 30x60 or something shouldnt be too hard
[20:00] <Randomskk> 30x60 would be pretty good
[20:00] <Randomskk> as it stands you could almost put that µsd card slot on top
[20:00] <Randomskk> would make routing harder though
[20:00] <Randomskk> two layers I take it?
[20:01] <Randomskk> RHS is the SMPS?
[20:01] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, are the hourly predictions now convincing enough for you to call off the 21st?
[20:02] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: I could swear the RHS looks more like the radio and the lhs more like the power :P
[20:03] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, 21st has been called off for ages
[20:03] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, wat!
[20:03] <Laurenceb> sorry yeah
[20:03] <Laurenceb> lol
[20:03] <Randomskk> what's U$1? top center
[20:03] <Laurenceb> yeah two layer, using seedstudio specs
[20:03] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, the intermediate and advanced rsgb books are like a bazhillion times thicker than FOUNDATION NOW!!!
[20:03] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, but it looks ok
[20:03] <Randomskk> I take it below is compass, then accel to its right and two gyros further right again
[20:04] <Laurenceb> honeywell magno
[20:04] <Randomskk> aah, cool
[20:04] <Randomskk> and below it, then?
[20:04] <Laurenceb> and bmp085 pressure
[20:04] <Randomskk> got it
[20:04] <Randomskk> nice
[20:04] <Laurenceb> I had to make the footprint for that
[20:04] <Laurenceb> then the next day sparkfun added it to their lib
[20:04] <Laurenceb> doh
[20:04] <Randomskk> D:
[20:04] <Randomskk> what's the voltage shifter for?
[20:05] <Laurenceb> pwm for servos
[20:05] <Randomskk> ah cool
[20:05] <Randomskk> JP2..9 is all servo connectors then?
[20:05] <Laurenceb> resistor/diode down to 3.3v
[20:05] <Laurenceb> then logic level up
[20:05] <Laurenceb> gives you the option to fly by wire
[20:05] <Laurenceb> yes
[20:05] <Laurenceb> I've yet to add rs485 for servos
[20:05] <Laurenceb> going in over the usd card
[20:06] <Randomskk> aah, okay
[20:06] <Randomskk> is the RF legal to fly? 434?
[20:06] <Laurenceb> using a little AD driver IC in SOIC8
[20:06] <Laurenceb> nope :P
[20:06] <Laurenceb> yes 434
[20:06] <Randomskk> heh
[20:06] <Randomskk> what power?
[20:06] <Randomskk> just illegal due to not being licensed?
[20:06] <Laurenceb> up to 140mw
[20:06] <Randomskk> ooh
[20:06] <Laurenceb> yeah, and the power
[20:07] <Laurenceb> but of course you should never use that much
[20:07] <Randomskk> have we looked into what that actually entails? I'm not convinced it's more rigorous than the CE mark
[20:07] <Laurenceb> yeah, doesnt look too hard
[20:07] <Randomskk> e.g. self applied and then you take responsibility, and testing houses exist who will take responsibility if you want
[20:07] <Laurenceb> just stick it in a test chamber and look at the harmonics
[20:07] <Laurenceb> its probably actually feasible to get it tested properly
[20:07] <Randomskk> I mean, it seems like you can just say it's okay and if it turns out to not be you are in trouble
[20:08] <Randomskk> but you have to have said it's okay
[20:08] <Laurenceb> yeah pretty much, but technically you should get it tested
[20:08] <Laurenceb> guess if you are a ham you have some more leyway
[20:08] <Randomskk> wouldn't have thought so since we can't operate mobile aero
[20:08] <Laurenceb> ah yeah
[20:09] <Randomskk> but from what I understood of the legislation it's a conformity marking that you self-label with
[20:09] <Laurenceb> hopeRF modules are EN330 tested
[20:09] <Randomskk> just you take responsibility for it
[20:09] <Laurenceb> yes, I could test it with my icom prc1000 AIUI
[20:09] <Laurenceb> well if I calibrated well
[20:10] <Randomskk> at any rate I guess it doesn't make much odds when used on 10mw on some obscure 434
[20:10] <Laurenceb> IIRC the test report from hoperf didnt go much past 1GHz for 434 operation
[20:11] <Laurenceb> but the hoperf design is very lame - they lose over 4dB of performance on Rx
[20:11] <Randomskk> ouch
[20:12] <Laurenceb> I followed all the guidelines in the app notes, so should be within 0.5dB or less
[20:12] <Laurenceb> seems hoperf just read used the datasheet design
[20:13] <Randomskk> be interesting to see how it turns out. what're you planning to use on the other end of the link
[20:13] <Laurenceb> it uses far less passives, but there isnt a 180 degree phase difference between RXpositive and negative
[20:13] <Randomskk> ?*
[20:13] <Laurenceb> maybe a chipcon eval board
[20:13] <Laurenceb> not 100% sure if it will work
[20:13] <Laurenceb> could make a silabs board
[20:14] <Laurenceb> or use an icom for very low datarates
[20:14] <Laurenceb> - that would be one way only
[20:14] <Laurenceb> ideally tho C&P that layout and stick an at90usb on the end
[20:14] <Randomskk> yea
[20:15] <Laurenceb> then have it as a HID USB device
[20:15] <Laurenceb> the code for USB HID isnt horrendous
[20:17] <Randomskk> I'm tempted to put my quad on 434 at some point
[20:17] <Randomskk> the four booms would make excellent ground plane radials, then just stick a wire down the middle and my antenna would be set
[20:17] <Randomskk> not very high data rate though
[20:17] <Randomskk> xbees on 115200 baud somewhat superior
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> why HID?
[20:20] <Laurenceb> yeah but range....
[20:20] <Laurenceb> code base to work with
[20:20] <Laurenceb> what would you do with all that data rate... I mean unless you want live video
[20:20] <Laurenceb> a few kbps is fine for control and diagnostics
[20:20] <Laurenceb> bbl
[20:33] <sbasuita> i must say this is a pretty cool pastebin http://gist.github.com/334467
[20:38] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, f0rked
[21:01] Nick change: Jos -> jos
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[21:51] <natrium42> hi jcoxon
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> hi natrium42 and jcoxon
[21:52] <natrium42> moin moin
[21:55] <jcoxon> hey
[21:55] <natrium42> jcoxon, could you make the winds better please?
[21:55] <jcoxon> i'll blow the other way then
[21:55] <natrium42> \o/
[21:57] <DanielRichman> natrium42, really you should ask zeusbot ?
[21:58] <DanielRichman> :D
[21:59] <DanielRichman> natrium42, you wanna be careful about doing that to the tracker
[21:59] <natrium42> i use magic quotes!
[21:59] <natrium42> and you haven't looked at the latest code anyway :P
[22:00] <natrium42> !learn add word a word
[22:00] <DanielRichman> natrium42, magic quotes are deprecated for a reason
[22:00] <jcoxon> !learn add weather the weather is always bad
[22:00] <jcoxon> ??weather
[22:00] <natrium42> DanielRichman, ideed
[22:00] <natrium42> DanielRichman, tracker will be rewritten anyway, in python
[22:00] <DanielRichman> natrium42, nice
[22:00] <DanielRichman> natrium42, write it in ASM
[22:01] <fsphil> ASM? sheesh. use binary
[22:01] <natrium42> hehe
[22:01] <DanielRichman> natrium42, from henceforth you are only permitted to use hexedit. You will communicate via irc by triggering interrupts
[22:01] <DanielRichman> better hope you're fast or it'll time out
[22:01] <natrium42> D:
[22:02] <DanielRichman> Don't you dare complain or we'll confiscate hexedit. Better hope the proccessor instructions can be represented by bytes found on your keyboard!
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[22:03] <natrium42> nah, i can irc by shorting ethernet cables in correct progression
[22:03] <DanielRichman> :O
[22:04] <DanielRichman> and you can crack RSA with a needle and a fpga
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[22:04] <natrium42> i wish i had an ethernet jack on my head
[22:04] <natrium42> jcoxon, can you make it happen?
[22:04] <fsphil> ghost in the shell style
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[22:08] <jcoxon> natrium42, wireless might be easier
[22:08] <natrium42> but 1Gbit is how i roll
[22:09] <jcoxon> fair enough
[22:09] <jcoxon> POE as well?
[22:09] <natrium42> yes please
[22:09] <jcoxon> okay i'll get to work
[22:10] <natrium42> \o/ \o/
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[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon if you would launch from Presque Isle tomorrow at 10 GMT, your balloon would only reach the center of Newfoundland at the end of the first 24 hours
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[22:20] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, yeah winds aren't great
[22:21] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, there is going to be a trans-atlantic flight from the US in april
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> will they fly a Caviziel balloon?
[22:21] <jcoxon> ummmm they didn't last time
[22:21] <jcoxon> not sure about this time
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> ah isn't that the Spirit of Knoxville team?
[22:22] <jcoxon> no
[22:22] <jcoxon> project blue horizon
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
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[22:23] <jcoxon> cornell engineering masters student working for lockheed
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[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:24] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, http://projectbluehorizon.com/
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> it looks cool
[22:28] <jcoxon> yeah they were fun flights last year - didn't release much info before the flight though - was a little hard to follow
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> the website still looks quite empty
[22:36] Action: natrium42 will try to listen in on HF
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[22:37] <fsphil> when do they plan to fly again?
[22:37] <natrium42> april they say
[22:38] <fsphil> I think my own payload might be flying about that time -- I really must find out :)
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[22:42] <natrium42> are you going transatlantic too?
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[22:45] <fsphil> no... hopefully
[22:46] <jcoxon> hehe
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[22:48] <earthshine> Hi Guys
[22:48] <jcoxon> hi earthshine
[22:48] <jcoxon> cool about hte FSA03
[22:49] <earthshine> yeah
[22:49] <earthshine> arrived today
[22:49] <jcoxon> would like to order one next week :-)
[22:49] <fsphil> what weight are they?
[22:49] <earthshine> ok
[22:49] <earthshine> hang on i'll weigh one as they are next to me on the desk
[22:49] <fsphil> thanks
[22:50] <earthshine> 9 grams
[22:50] <jcoxon> earthshine, going to make a breakout board?
[22:50] <fsphil> excellent
[22:50] <fsphil> the one I have here, with antenna, is twice that
[22:51] <earthshine> jcoxon: Yes I think we should and i'll get some made
[22:51] <earthshine> who's good with Eagle ?
[22:51] <natrium42> breakout board or flight computer?
[22:51] <natrium42> ah
[22:52] <earthshine> both
[22:52] <earthshine> jonsowman: ping
[22:52] <natrium42> wouldn't bother with breakout, it's not impossible to solder to
[22:52] <fsphil> looks tricky
[22:52] <fsphil> why the odd form factor?
[22:53] <natrium42> it's meant to be surface mounted
[22:53] <earthshine> yeah
[22:53] <earthshine> easily solsderable
[22:53] <earthshine> solderable
[22:55] <jcoxon> reckon i'll use one on BH5
[22:55] <jcoxon> right night all
[22:55] <natrium42> nite jcoxon
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[22:55] <earthshine> nite
[22:55] <natrium42> earthshine, are you planning any launches yourself?
[22:58] <earthshine> oh yes
[22:58] <natrium42> coolz
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[23:03] <earthshine> so....
[23:03] <earthshine> what's new ?
[23:06] <fsphil> you done many launches, earthshine?
[23:06] <earthshine> I have done the grand total of zero launches to date
[23:06] <earthshine> helped out with a few though
[23:07] <fsphil> ah, we're neck and neck then!
[23:07] <earthshine> plan on doing my own in about 3 weeks
[23:07] <earthshine> yeah
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[23:08] <fsphil> are you testing something or going for pretty pictures?
[23:09] <earthshine> pretty pictures
[23:10] <earthshine> to start with
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> I have done infinitely more launches than you earthshine.
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> (infinity * 0 = ...)
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> Good luck.
[23:13] <fsphil> I might have another go a tracking .. higher up this time
[23:13] <earthshine> :D
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[23:19] <earthshine> bed time
[23:19] <earthshine> night
[23:19] <fsphil> night earthshine !
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