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[10:02] <DanielRichman> Predictions for next weekend looking good (!)
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[10:29] Action: SpeedEvil installs fldigi.
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> (on n900)
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[10:53] <Laurenceb> hi
[10:53] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/mzsLl.png <- si4432 transceiver layout :P
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[10:53] <Laurenceb> just ends up rather large
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[10:57] <SpeedEvil> what are thost - 0804?
[10:58] <Laurenceb> 0603
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> 0402'd shrink it a little
[10:59] <SpeedEvil> but - is this really a space constrained problem?
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[11:00] <Laurenceb> yeah maybe its not so bad
[11:00] <Laurenceb> 9.5827.5mm atm
[11:00] <Laurenceb> 9.5x27.5mm atm
[11:01] <Laurenceb> but I really need to surround it with vias and add a sheild
[11:02] <Laurenceb> I shrunk the QFN gnd pad so a track can fit underneath
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[11:11] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[11:11] <SpeedEvil> I think you need to print it out at 1:1 - it is lots smaller then :)
[11:12] <Laurenceb> heh
[11:12] <SpeedEvil> :) Fldigi on phone.
[11:12] <SpeedEvil> I need to do more reading of kernel and docs - and try to figure out USB host on this thingy
[11:13] <Laurenceb> neat
[11:15] <Laurenceb> I'm tempted to spin it through 90 degrees
[11:15] <SpeedEvil> you'll need more layers, and drilling holes to fit the components in will be hard.
[11:15] <Laurenceb> origional plan was for the RF to go at the upper rhs of the board, but the pcb is about 60x30mm total
[11:15] <Laurenceb> lol other axis
[11:16] <Laurenceb> so it neatly fits along the other axis of the board
[11:17] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[11:17] <SpeedEvil> So 60*60?
[11:17] <Laurenceb> no - entire pcb is 60x30mm
[11:18] <SpeedEvil> ah - that's with the RF
[11:18] <Laurenceb> yes
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> That's smaller than many servos.
[11:25] <Laurenceb> wondering how magnetic a microsd card slot is...
[11:29] <Laurenceb> oh its stainless
[11:31] Action: SpeedEvil wishes again SDs were thicker
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> stainless may be slightly magnetic
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> especially if cold worked
[11:31] Action: SpeedEvil has been researching this for induction cooker purposes.
[11:33] <Laurenceb> type 304
[11:33] <Laurenceb> thats austenitic
[11:34] <Laurenceb> at least - thats whgat the sparkfun SD card holder is made from
[11:34] <Laurenceb> hopefully farnell have similar
[11:41] <Laurenceb> induction cooker for cooking?
[11:42] <Laurenceb> food
[11:45] <SpeedEvil> yes
[11:45] <SpeedEvil> Cold work can cause it to be slightly magnetic though
[11:45] <Laurenceb> you can buy them
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[11:49] <Laurenceb> intreaging
[11:49] <DanielRichman> mmm, caake.
[11:49] <Laurenceb> 3M stock exactly the same connector as sparkfun are selling under a chinese brand
[11:49] <Laurenceb> hmm wonder what hapened there...
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> Yes - I know - I was researching for suitable cooking vessels.
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> Or heating.
[11:50] <Laurenceb> also farnell sell it for £1.15
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> Specifically, the caveat about magnetic cookware isn't quite true
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> It's really 'conductivity of the lesser of one skin depth at 40khz or the real depth of the cookware has to be in the range of ...'
[11:51] <Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/3m/2908-05wb-mg/connector-smartcard/dp/1654360
[11:52] <Laurenceb> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=127
[11:53] <Laurenceb> they are pretty much identical
[11:53] Action: Laurenceb suspects they copied the design
[11:59] <Laurenceb> hmm what would make a reliable power connector?
[11:59] <Laurenceb> for connecting the batteries
[12:00] Action: Laurenceb doesnt trust molex
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> deans?
[12:01] <jonsowman> deans are pretty good
[12:01] <Laurenceb> ok
[12:02] <Laurenceb> it'll have the option to use servo supply as well
[12:02] <Laurenceb> bbl
[12:03] Action: SpeedEvil tries to figure out aptitude.
[12:04] Action: jonsowman <3 aptitude
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> Trying to get gcc working in debian chroot
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> I have gcc - but can't work out how to get the headers required.
[12:05] <jonsowman> have you installed build-essential?
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> no
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> I was trying to work out individual package names
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> that's a meta-package with it all?
[12:06] <jonsowman> yup
[12:06] <jonsowman> its pretty useful
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> thanks
[12:07] <jonsowman> or at least i find it helpful instead of installing gcc and all its related rubbish seperately
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[12:07] <SpeedEvil> I need to do way more schematic and doc reading, and try to nail down why the USB host on this isn't working
[12:08] <jonsowman> what is "this" ??
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> n900
[12:08] <jonsowman> oh right, sorry
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> playing with debian chroot on it - to help with debugging
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> I suspect I've probably broken the chroot - downloading way too much.
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> See what it's like when I get back in from gardening.
[12:10] <jonsowman> ah right i see
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> wave
[12:10] <jonsowman> catch you later
[12:11] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, you might want manpages-dev too
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[12:59] <jonsowman> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/hourly-predictions/
[12:59] <jonsowman> oh dear.
[13:01] <SpeedEvil> thanks
[13:03] <SpeedEvil> What's the problem? 9PM today, and it's a good couple of hundred yards inland.
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[13:04] <jonsowman> lol
[13:04] <jonsowman> would be some nice photos of the coast
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[13:22] <MikeMc68_Mobile> howdy
[13:23] <MikeMc68_Mobile> What have I missed ?
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[19:00] <earthshine> hello
[19:00] <earthshine> ]/away
[19:00] <earthshine> oops
[19:00] <earthshine> :D
[19:00] <earthshine> How is everyone ?
[19:01] <gb73d> any ballons going up next week ?
[19:03] Nick change: Jos -> jos
[19:04] <Randomskk> gb73d: none I'm aware of atm, mostly becasue
[19:04] <Randomskk> http://cuspaceflight.co.uk/hourly-predictions
[19:05] <Randomskk> the predictions are atrocious
[19:05] <Randomskk> but three are ready to launch I think
[19:05] <Randomskk> once the weather picks up
[19:05] <DanielRichman> We could have a race (!)
[19:06] <Randomskk> to see which gets furthest? :P
[19:06] Action: sbasuita wants to travel the least distance possible
[19:06] <Randomskk> thing is you don't really want three in the air all at once, gets you less trackers per balloon
[19:06] <sbasuita> well this is the official alien shotgun of first good-weather launch slot
[19:06] <sbasuita> ;P
[19:07] <Randomskk> no good weather in sight atm I'm afraid
[19:07] <sbasuita> Randomskk, yeah its rubbish
[19:07] <Randomskk> hence no shotgunning
[19:07] <sbasuita> D;
[19:08] <earthshine> My payload will be ready end of march
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[19:44] <rjharrison> ping natrium42
[19:44] <natrium42> yo
[19:44] <rjharrison> I need to do some graphs for html any ideas on a good package
[19:44] <rjharrison> php would be my first choice
[19:45] <rjharrison> Stats for launches
[19:45] <Randomskk> there are php graphing libraries
[19:45] <rjharrison> Randomskk yep
[19:45] <natrium42> never used any php charting libraries
[19:45] <Randomskk> I think I used JpGraph last time but it's kinda commercial in some cases
[19:45] <rjharrison> I have played with those
[19:45] <natrium42> the current tracker charts in javascript
[19:45] <Randomskk> there are probably better ones
[19:45] <rjharrison> Yep is that easy to use natrium42
[19:46] <rjharrison> I want to pull data into it from mysql
[19:46] <rjharrison> Randomskk will have a look at jpgraph
[19:47] <Randomskk> as alternatives python has some good graphing libraries, as does ruby
[19:47] <Randomskk> but jpgraph was perfectly good iirc
[19:47] <Randomskk> lemme check what I used last time, hang on
[19:47] <Randomskk> yea, jpgraph
[19:48] <Randomskk> it's pretty easy to use.
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[19:51] <rjharrison> natrium42 is there a jscript library fro graphing
[19:51] <rjharrison> for :)
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> http://code.google.com/apis/charttools/ ?
[19:53] <natrium42> i use flot
[19:53] <natrium42> http://code.google.com/p/flot/
[19:54] <Randomskk> google's chart tools are really good
[19:54] <Randomskk> you just use a url that embeds your data and it returns the image, basically
[19:54] <Randomskk> <img src="http://google-rock/type=bar&data=12,13,14,15,16" />
[19:54] <natrium42> yeah, i'd use the google chart api for static charts
[19:54] <rjharrison> Ok cool I'm pleased i asked
[19:57] <rjharrison> f**k me that is cool
[19:58] <rjharrison> I wish I had known about google charts
[19:58] <natrium42> :)
[19:58] <rjharrison> Can I use that commenrcially
[19:58] <rjharrison> IE network traffic
[19:58] <rjharrison> 4 work
[19:59] <natrium42> http://code.google.com/apis/chart/terms.html
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[20:02] <natrium42> not sure what the legalese means :S
[20:02] <Randomskk> need a quick bullet point summary really
[20:02] <Randomskk> "yes you can use this commercially" or such
[20:02] <Randomskk> I believe you can, but can't find justification for that belief
[20:02] <Randomskk> the terms don't seem to prohibit it
[20:03] Action: Randomskk is obviously not a lawyer
[20:05] <natrium42> Randomskk, did you see http://code.google.com/apis/visualization/documentation/gallery.html
[20:05] <natrium42> looks nice too
[20:05] <Randomskk> yea it does rather
[20:05] <Randomskk> could use that for the balloon altitude graph etc quite happily
[20:05] <natrium42> :)
[20:06] <natrium42> http://danvk.org/dygraphs/
[20:06] <Randomskk> yea, was looking at that one
[20:06] <natrium42> hehe
[20:06] <Randomskk> the current graph does work perfectly well though
[20:06] <rjharrison> Wow I'm going to mess my pants at this rate http://code.google.com/apis/visualization/documentation/gallery/gauge.html
[20:06] <Randomskk> but that is much nicer
[20:07] <Randomskk> if only more people send vdop from gps in their sentences
[20:07] <Randomskk> we could put error bars on the altitude graph :P
[20:08] <natrium42> haha, good idea
[20:08] <rjharrison> This is awesum
[20:08] <rjharrison> Some questions are so worth asking
[20:08] Action: Randomskk hands rjharrison some tissue?
[20:08] <rjharrison> lol
[20:09] <rjharrison> I so needed a guage for some crap stas at work and that will hit the spot nicely
[20:09] <rjharrison> stats
[20:10] <fsphil> crap stats? a poo-o-meter?
[20:10] <Randomskk> "3.6kg of feces today!"
[20:10] <Randomskk> god, I dread to think
[20:11] <fsphil> gives new meaning to crap job
[20:11] <Randomskk> new and also worse
[20:12] <rjharrison> lol
[20:13] <rjharrison> No but guages show nothing really other than on track or off track
[20:13] <rjharrison> gygraphs are cool too
[20:13] <rjharrison> dy
[20:13] <rjharrison> The accounts dept will need some tissues too
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[20:14] <fsphil> dygraph is very cool
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif - is the above.
[20:15] <SpeedEvil> (well - the sharp drops in the unsmoothed weight)
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[20:37] <Laurenceb> sup
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