highaltitude.log.20100310

[00:00] <MikeMc68> you are a turd ?
[00:00] <natrium42> huhu
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> turd?
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> no that was a class trip
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[00:07] <MikeMc68> turd - on it's way to North Sea - ok never mind
[00:08] <MikeMc68> ok i've had enough of editing video for one day
[00:08] <MikeMc68> going to bed
[00:08] <MikeMc68> night all
[00:08] <natrium42> can we see the result?
[00:08] <natrium42> :)
[00:08] <MikeMc68> when it's finished yes ;)
[00:08] <MikeMc68> bye
[00:08] <natrium42> g'nite
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[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> ok natrium42 good night :)
[00:11] <natrium42> gute nacht, Lunar_Lander
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[01:49] <juxta> hey natrium42
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[01:50] <natrium42> o/
[01:52] <juxta> how's things?
[01:53] <natrium42> good, sup?
[01:53] <juxta> not a lot, was going to ask where you sourced your balloons from
[01:53] <juxta> was it kaymont?
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[02:09] <natrium42> yes, kaymont
[02:09] <natrium42> i placed my orders via phone
[02:13] <juxta> I did the same
[02:14] <juxta> shipping was very pricey for me though, more than the balloons almost
[02:14] <juxta> Steve is the UK resller of Totex balloons, isnt he?
[02:19] <natrium42> yep
[02:19] <natrium42> shipping is *always* more expensive than the product
[02:19] <natrium42> i am used to it
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[02:33] <natrium42> especially if you're very impatient :D
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[07:55] <jonsowman> morning all
[07:57] <edmoore> morning jonsowman
[07:58] <jonsowman> yay last day of teaching
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[08:04] <edmoore> i wish that meant anything for me! lots to do this week
[08:07] <jonsowman> ah dear, hobble related things?
[08:07] <edmoore> and other stuff
[08:07] <edmoore> will try philip guildford again today
[08:07] <jonsowman> oh yea
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[08:13] <MikeMc68|Asleep> morning
[08:13] Nick change: MikeMc68|Asleep -> MikeMc68
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[08:19] Topic changed on #highaltitude by edmoore!ed@2002:836f:e483:d:21b:63ff:feac:4133: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, wiki.ukhas.org.uk
[08:19] <edmoore> morning
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[08:33] <jonsowman> right, lecture time, bbl
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[09:48] <MikeMc68> FSA03's on the way :D
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[10:16] Action: rjharrison_lap notes eeebuntu 4.0 is due for release soon
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[10:17] <MikeMc68> guys FSA03 uBlox - for UKHAS people only (i.e. hard corers) £32 each inc P&P
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[10:51] <juxta> hey MikeMc68
[10:52] <MikeMc68> hey juxta
[10:53] <juxta> I'd be keen to get hold of an FSA03 once you get hold of some :)
[10:54] <MikeMc68> would it be cheaper than esawdust ?
[10:54] <MikeMc68> all the way to Oz ?
[10:55] <russss> send it by long-range balloon
[10:55] <juxta> I think so, depends on post I guess
[10:56] <russss> are you stocking them then MikeMc68?
[10:57] <MikeMc68> yep
[11:00] <russss> cool
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[13:11] <edmoore> nice write-up scoty, congrats
[13:12] <MikeMc68> where ?
[13:13] <edmoore> ee.kent.ac.uk
[13:13] <edmoore> i'm not sure where this CUSE acronym has come from though
[13:13] <MikeMc68> typo
[13:14] <MikeMc68> Space Experiments ?
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> Space Exploitation!
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[13:20] <MikeMc68> http://www.eda.kent.ac.uk/
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[13:37] <Mikemc68_mobile> Hi
[13:37] <Mikemc68_mobile> Anyone going to Hackspace tonight?
[13:39] <Mikemc68_mobile> My ublox arrived today
[13:39] <juxta> the FSA's MikeMc68?
[13:39] <Mikemc68_mobile> Yep
[13:39] <Mikemc68_mobile> My one
[13:39] <juxta> ah right
[13:40] <juxta> I've been playing with mine, they seem very nice
[13:40] <Mikemc68_mobile> Easy to use?
[13:40] <juxta> yeah, simpler to wire up than the lassens
[13:40] <juxta> but you just need to remember to put it in high altitude mode using the ublox soiftware
[13:41] <edmoore> which assumes UBX (binary) protocol rather than NMEA. Although you may be able to set it back to NMEA, I'm not sure
[13:42] <Mikemc68_mobile> I see
[13:43] <Mikemc68_mobile> Do you use it with the tinygps library?
[13:45] <Mikemc68_mobile> How do you connect the module to the PC?
[13:47] <edmoore> does anyone recall listening to the BadgerCub on Nova 16 in December?
[13:49] <Mikemc68_mobile> I think I missed that one
[13:54] <junderwood> I think you can use both protocols at once on the uBlox receivers. It uses the preamble to decide which sort of message is being received
[13:56] <Mikemc68_mobile> Interesting
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[14:01] <juxta> MikeMc68: yes, by default it's configured to work in both NMEA and UBX modes
[14:01] <juxta> I haven't used it with tinyGPS, but it should be fine
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[14:02] <juxta> [00:30:59] <juxta> MikeMc68: yes, by default it's configured to work in both NMEA and UBX modes
[14:02] <juxta> [00:31:18] <juxta> I haven't used it with tinyGPS, but it should be fine
[14:02] <Mikemc68_mobile> How do you connect it to the PC?
[14:04] <juxta> you need to use TTL serial
[14:04] <juxta> if you have a 3v3 FTDI cable that will work
[14:04] <Mikemc68_mobile> Yes I do
[14:04] <Mikemc68_mobile> Cool
[14:04] <juxta> but it might not supply enough current
[14:05] <juxta> so you might need to use that for TX/RX to it only, and power it on a beefier 3v3 source
[14:05] <Mikemc68_mobile> No problem
[14:05] <juxta> I think those cables are only good for 50ma or something on 3v3
[14:06] <Mikemc68_mobile> That not enough?
[14:06] <Mikemc68_mobile> Seems a lot just for programming
[14:07] <juxta> the GPS is running too
[14:07] <Mikemc68_mobile> I see
[14:07] <juxta> I think they settle down to 20-30ma once they have lock, but when trying to acquire I believe it's quite high
[14:08] <Mikemc68_mobile> Yeah that's understandable
[14:08] <juxta> you dont need to enter a programming mode or anything
[14:08] <juxta> the ublox software just sends some UBX binary packets which get interpreted and then the module switches to UBX mode
[14:09] <juxta> I'm off to bed, night MikeMc68
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[14:13] <Mikemc68_mobile> Darnit
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[14:39] <edmoore> sbasuita: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/hourly-predictions/
[14:39] <edmoore> it's not looking so hot, let's be honest
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> Wednesday looks like it's heading for the netherlands again. Could use the same guy :)
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[15:58] <sbasuita> edmoore, D;
[16:04] <edmoore> yeah
[16:04] <edmoore> not pretty
[16:08] <jonsowman> when were you looking to launch sbasuita
[16:08] <sbasuita> jonsowman, asap
[16:18] <russss> if I'm running 50 ohm cable with a 75 ohm connector/adaptor on my receiver, is that going to cause massive loss or not?
[16:18] <russss> I never really got this whole impedance thing
[16:21] <Randomskk> it's not ideal but would probably work as a quick hack
[16:21] <Randomskk> some signal gets reflected instead of taken in by the receiver basically
[16:21] <Randomskk> so it's more lossy
[16:21] <Randomskk> but that's not a horrific mismatch, c.f. a 1/4 wave with ground plane being about 37ohm and yet fed with 50ohm
[16:22] <russss> so the USRP I've got uses an off-the-shelf tuner which has an F connector (which is 75 ohm)
[16:23] <Randomskk> 75 is usually TV etc isn't it?
[16:23] <jonsowman> Randomskk: bending the radials about 45 degs away from the driven element on a 1/4wave whip will get impedance to ~50ohm
[16:23] <jonsowman> and yes TV is 75ohm
[16:24] <Randomskk> jonsowman: but we don't do that :P
[16:24] <jonsowman> true
[16:24] <jonsowman> doesnt seem to make a massive difference
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[16:25] <Mikemc68_mobile> Hi
[16:25] <Randomskk> heya
[16:25] <jonsowman> hi Mikemc68_mobile
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[16:25] <Mikemc68_mobile> What's new?
[16:25] <russss> Randomskk: yeah it seems they appropriated a TV tuner
[16:26] <Randomskk> Mikemc68_mobile: when you say you're stocking the FSAs, do you mean you've bought a fair few and are selling some or do you mean you've got an agreement with some source to resell them?
[16:26] <Randomskk> russss: in an ideal world you'd use some variety of impedance matching
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[16:27] <Mikemc68_mobile> Grrrrrr
[16:28] <jonsowman> yay VPS is so much better
[16:28] <Randomskk> jonsowman: nice
[16:28] <Randomskk> Mikemc68_mobile: did you get my above?
[16:28] <Mikemc68_mobile> Than what?
[16:28] <Mikemc68_mobile> No
[16:28] <Randomskk> Mikemc68_mobile: when you say you're stocking the FSAs, do you mean you've bought a fair few and are selling some or do you mean you've got an agreement with some source to resell them?
[16:29] <Mikemc68_mobile> Errr... Both
[16:29] <Randomskk> or anything in between I guess
[16:29] <Randomskk> haha, fair enough
[16:29] <Mikemc68_mobile> I've bought batch to sell
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[16:31] <Mikemc68_mobile> Dss
[16:31] <Mikemc68_mobile> Dss even
[16:31] <Mikemc68_mobile> Egf
[16:32] <Mikemc68_mobile> Wtf!!
[16:32] <edmoore> ?
[16:32] <Mikemc68_mobile> Damned spell checker
[16:34] <Mikemc68_mobile> I will be stocking them for as long as it is commercially viable to do so
[16:35] <Randomskk> cool
[16:35] <Randomskk> they look really neat.
[16:35] <Mikemc68_mobile> I.e. Will keep restocking
[16:36] <Randomskk> how much are they retail?
[16:36] <Mikemc68_mobile> Until something better comes along
[16:36] <Mikemc68_mobile> My price or elsewhere?
[16:37] <Randomskk> yours
[16:38] <Mikemc68_mobile> In store around £42
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[16:38] <jonsowman> wonder if we should get a couple
[16:39] <Randomskk> edmoore: have we considered the practicality of making a simple radio for rtty from basic elements?
[16:40] <edmoore> like argon and helium?
[16:40] <jonsowman> edmoore: lol
[16:40] <Randomskk> we get helium free, after all
[16:41] <Randomskk> making our radios out of it seems like the obvious next step
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[16:42] <Mikemc68_mobile> Grrrr.... Tunnel
[16:42] <edmoore> you're not driving are you?
[16:43] <Mikemc68_mobile> What did I miss?
[16:43] <Mikemc68_mobile> Train
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[16:43] <Mikemc68_mobile> Randomskk
[16:44] <Randomskk> edmoore: at any rate, out of more discrete parts
[16:44] <Mikemc68_mobile> £32 for ukhas guys
[16:44] <edmoore> i don't see that it's a technical problem, but it would be a legal one
[16:44] <Mikemc68_mobile> Like those with projects
[16:44] <Randomskk> ah, I thought it might be
[16:45] <Randomskk> the license free band requires certified radios?
[16:45] <edmoore> the restriction isn't that you can only fly 10mW TX, it's that you can only fly EC approved license-exempt modules
[16:45] <jonsowman> ah right
[16:45] <Randomskk> fair enough
[16:45] <edmoore> and they are limited to 10mW, among other things
[16:45] <jonsowman> thought that might be the case
[16:45] <jonsowman> shame really
[16:45] <Randomskk> the TI chips count?
[16:45] <edmoore> er... we don't talk about that
[16:45] <Randomskk> so really it's just things like the NTX2?
[16:46] <edmoore> yeah
[16:46] <Randomskk> okay
[16:46] <Randomskk> bit of a pain I guess
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[16:52] <Mikemc68_mobile> Sheesh
[16:52] <Randomskk> Mikemc68_mobile: you might want to consider having a server/desktop stay connected to IRC, then just connect to that mobile
[16:53] <Randomskk> e.g. irssi running on ssh and screen
[16:53] <Mikemc68_mobile> Yeah agreed
[16:53] <Mikemc68_mobile> Will set that up someone
[16:53] <Mikemc68_mobile> Sometime
[16:53] <edmoore_> over the rainbow
[16:54] <edmoore_> way up irssi
[16:54] <Mikemc68_mobile> Lol
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[16:54] <Mikemc68_mobile> Anyone going to Hackspace tonight?
[16:54] <edmoore_> in the channel / that I heard of once / doing altitude-high
[16:55] <edmoore_> no
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[16:55] <Randomskk> edmoore_: I'm probably thinking of the wrong legislation but doesn't a "module" include the antenna?
[16:56] <edmoore_> yeah it's very grey
[16:56] <edmoore_> obviously our antennas are not isotropic
[16:56] <edmoore_> etc etc
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[16:56] <edmoore_> but the reasoning that using an NTX2 means we can argue our case in bona fide
[16:57] <Randomskk> what with isotropic antennas not being actually possible etc
[16:57] <Randomskk> fair enough I guess
[16:57] <Randomskk> the NTX2 itself is certified?
[16:58] <edmoore_> yes
[16:58] <edmoore_> that costs lots of money to get done so we didn't do it
[16:58] <SpeedEvil> If you make the antenna with a lucazade bottle, you can get most of they way there.
[16:59] <edmoore_> almost kick-ban worthy
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[17:28] <MikeMc68> jonsowman
[17:28] <jonsowman> hi MikeMc68
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[17:37] <DanielRichman> what material do you build your slim-jims out of, '
[17:38] <DanielRichman> s/$/#ha?/
[17:39] <Randomskk> what was that regex meant to accomplish?
[17:39] <Randomskk> oh
[17:40] <Randomskk> fair enough I guess
[17:40] <Randomskk> I hear pvc works
[17:41] <Sophira> Doesn't that regex just transform it into "what material do you build your slim-jims out of, '#ha?"
[17:41] <DanielRichman> yes
[17:41] <Sophira> Oh wait, #ha = #highaltitude.
[17:41] <Sophira> I'm dumb.
[17:41] <Sophira> I thought that looked random. ;p
[17:41] <DanielRichman> because I intended to say what material do you build your slim-jims out of, #ha? but hit enter rather than # :P
[17:41] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, PVC + what variant of metal stuff?
[17:41] <Randomskk> it's' not a particularly common abbreviation but it does make sense really
[17:41] <Sophira> Well, you forgot to remove your ' ;p
[17:41] <Sophira> s/'$/#ha?'
[17:41] <Sophira> ;p
[17:42] <Randomskk> the ' is intentional
[17:42] <Randomskk> to show abbreviation
[17:42] <Sophira> Okay.
[17:42] <Sophira> According to his explanation he didn't, but okay :)
[17:42] <Randomskk> I take it, anyway
[17:42] Action: Sophira shuts up now.
[17:42] <DanielRichman> actually it wasn't intentional but either way is good
[17:42] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, PVC + what variant of metal stuff?
[17:42] <Randomskk> oh, well
[17:43] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: jonsowman has constructed one but I can't find it on his website
[17:43] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: is this a flying slim jim?
[17:43] <DanielRichman> jonsowman, one for the roof; 2m
[17:43] <jonsowman> ah right
[17:43] <jonsowman> want a few pics of mine?
[17:44] <jonsowman> http://balloon.hexoc.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=8
[17:44] <jonsowman> http://balloon.hexoc.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=7
[17:44] <jonsowman> inner small diam. PVC pipe with copper wire for the element
[17:44] <jonsowman> taped down to keep it lying flat
[17:45] <jonsowman> outer tube to make it waterproof and sealed (was outside at one point)
[17:45] <DanielRichman> very thin wire then + a ~2-3m PVC tube
[17:46] <DanielRichman> I've got 3m of aluminium in 1m pieces left after building a 70cm yagi, which might be enough for a jpole on 2m
[17:46] <jonsowman> i used some random earthing wire I had lying around, from B&Q I think
[17:46] <jonsowman> and stripped it out of its insulation
[17:46] <DanielRichman> Single core?
[17:46] <jonsowman> yes single core
[17:46] <jonsowman> was about 1.5mm diam
[17:46] <DanielRichman> and that pole hanging in the attic - the other end is on top of the roof?
[17:46] <DanielRichman> ie the antenna is outside?
[17:46] <jonsowman> no thats the full antenna
[17:46] <jonsowman> it is now inside
[17:47] <jonsowman> it was outside at one point in its life, hence its waterproofness
[17:47] <Randomskk> jonsowman: what were you using it for?
[17:47] <jonsowman> APRS
[17:47] <Randomskk> oh yup
[17:47] <DanielRichman> What's the gain like on a slim jim vs. a j-pole?
[17:48] <jonsowman> gains are similar I seem to remember
[17:48] <jonsowman> its radiation patterns that make the jim distinctive
[17:48] <DanielRichman> and what balun did you use?
[17:49] <jonsowman> just a choke balun, ie. coiled coax
[17:50] <jonsowman> does the slim jim even need a balun?
[17:50] <jonsowman> its been ages since i did this...
[17:50] <DanielRichman> Then you adjusted where the coax connected to the elements and got 50 ohms impedance?
[17:50] <jonsowman> yup
[17:50] <jonsowman> http://balloon.hexoc.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=6
[17:51] <jonsowman> just left it attached to that to find where to solder it
[17:51] <jonsowman> in that picture R=50 = resistance and X=3 (should be 0) reactance
[17:52] <DanielRichman> ok cool
[17:52] <jonsowman> what do you need it for DanielRichman?
[17:52] <DanielRichman> the local club operates on 2m; and it is the most popular HAM band iirc
[17:53] <jonsowman> yes its certainly popular
[17:53] <Randomskk> a lot of repeaters seem to run on 70cms
[17:53] <Randomskk> but yea, 2m is also very popular especially for /m
[17:53] <jonsowman> have you got access to a antenna tuner DanielRichman?
[17:53] <DanielRichman> jonsowman, I don't even have a radio :D. I'm planning ahead
[17:54] <jonsowman> ok, it's just that making the jim is not very easy without one
[17:54] <jonsowman> finding the right places on the element to solder the coax to is determined by what gives the least impedance and lowest SWR
[17:54] <Randomskk> jonsowman: dinner?
[17:54] <jonsowman> Randomskk: yup
[17:54] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: local club will probably have an swr meter you can borrow to work with
[17:55] <DanielRichman> Randomskk, yeah, they do
[17:55] <jonsowman> anyway give me a shout DanielRichman if you want to know anything else
[17:55] <jonsowman> Randomskk: owm
[17:55] <jonsowman> *omw
[17:55] <DanielRichman> PVC pipe & thin wire sounds much easier than huge copper pipe which is more expensive
[17:55] <DanielRichman> jonsowman, thanks again
[17:56] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: no worries. as you can see from the pictures I got an SWR of 1.1 with the 1.5mm copper wire - seems to work fine
[17:56] <jonsowman> bbl
[17:56] <DanielRichman> okey
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[18:04] <DanielRichman> jonsowman, (when you're back), where did you get the measurements for your slim jim from?
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[18:12] <Mikemc68_mobile> Hey
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[18:16] <Mikemc68_mobile> Hey again
[18:16] <Mikemc68_mobile> I really hate tunnels
[18:16] <DanielRichman> You really need a irc bouncer
[18:17] <Mikemc68_mobile> Bouncer?
[18:18] <Mikemc68_mobile> You mean connect to a home irc server
[18:18] <DanielRichman> yes
[18:18] <Mikemc68_mobile> Yeah
[18:18] <DanielRichman> I got the impression that http://www.psybnc.at/ was the most popular one but I might be wrong
[18:18] <Mikemc68_mobile> Just need time to set one up
[18:18] <DanielRichman> mmm
[18:20] <Mikemc68_mobile> Sounds interesting
[18:20] <Mikemc68_mobile> Not heard of that one
[18:21] <Mikemc68_mobile> Will check it out
[18:22] <Mikemc68_mobile> I've got a mint linux box at home I could try it out on
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[18:23] <DanielRichman> mint!!?
[18:23] <Mikemc68_mobile> Yup
[18:24] <Mikemc68_mobile> It's very minty
[18:25] <DanielRichman> ...
[18:27] <Mikemc68_mobile> http://www.linuxmint.com/
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[18:39] <Randomskk> Mikemc68_mobile: I would suggest irssi and ssh personally
[18:40] <Randomskk> bncs are one way to do things but I find using irssi over ssh more consistent and easier
[18:40] <DanielRichman> When building antennae... what's best; tinned or "solderable enamelled" copper wire?
[18:40] <Mikemc68_mobile> Noted
[18:40] <Randomskk> the bnc means your irc client still runs locally and connects to the foreign server as though it were the normal server; your bouncer then proxies to the real server
[18:40] <Randomskk> and thus keeps you online at all times
[18:40] <DanielRichman> with reference to http://wires.co.uk/
[18:41] <Randomskk> using irssi inside screen, the IRC client is 'always running' and I just connect to that
[18:41] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: both should be fine, go with whatever's cheaper
[18:41] <DanielRichman> ok
[18:42] <jonsowman> hi all
[18:42] <Randomskk> yo jonsowman
[18:42] <DanielRichman> 1.5/6mm is a good wire width?
[18:42] <DanielRichman> jonsowman, where did you get the measurements for your slim jim from?
[18:43] <jonsowman> hmm cant remember off the top of my head
[18:43] <jonsowman> will have a look back through stuff
[18:43] <jonsowman> gimme a few mins
[18:43] <DanielRichman> does http://wires.co.uk/acatalog/cu_enam.html look OK?
[18:43] <natrium42> o/
[18:44] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: yeh looks fine to me
[18:44] <DanielRichman> how about http://www.m0ukd.com/Calculators/Slim_Jim/index.php?
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[18:45] <DanielRichman> 1.5mm tinned copper wire could be bent with a easily pair of pliers w/o risk of snapping etc?
[18:45] <jonsowman> yeh you'll be able to bend it
[18:45] <DanielRichman> good, good
[18:46] <jonsowman> http://www.hamuniverse.com/slimjim.html
[18:46] <jonsowman> thats the one I used
[18:46] <jonsowman> but the calculator you found is also fine
[18:46] <jonsowman> you want centre frequency of 145mhz
[18:50] <DanielRichman> the measurements they suggest differ by a few cms
[18:50] <DanielRichman> But it should be ok.
[18:50] <jonsowman> mm they do vary a bit
[18:50] <jonsowman> i found that
[18:51] <jonsowman> personally i used the ones on the link i sent, but i dont think it should matter too much
[18:51] <jonsowman> the bit that matters is getting the soldering point right
[18:52] <DanielRichman> ok
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[19:15] <MikeMc68_mobile> hi guys
[19:15] <DanielRichman> hello again
[19:15] <sbasuita> yo mikey
[19:16] <MikeMc68_mobile> yo
[19:16] <MikeMc68_mobile> i'm now at Hackspace
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[19:17] <sbasuita> MikeMc68_mobile, i remember on twitter you said there was some dude there but i can't remember who even though i remember thinking "niiice" at the time xD
[19:18] <MikeMc68_mobile> Mitch Altman
[19:18] <MikeMc68_mobile> The American inventor
[19:18] <MikeMc68_mobile> he did the TV-B-Gone
[19:19] <sbasuita> oh yeah
[19:19] <sbasuita> MikeMc68_mobile, it would be interesting to make a Infrared-Controlled-Device-B-Gone :)
[19:20] <MikeMc68_mobile> i might get one of these TV-B-Gone's tonight actually
[19:20] <MikeMc68_mobile> and go and have fun in Currys
[19:20] <sbasuita> ;P
[19:20] <sbasuita> MikeMc68_mobile, somehow i know the two-letter master password for all the computers at currys
[19:20] <sbasuita> MikeMc68_mobile, a friend of a friend of a friend sort of thing :D
[19:21] <MikeMc68_mobile> 2 letter?
[19:21] <MikeMc68_mobile> OK so that isn't exactly going to be hard to figure out
[19:21] <sbasuita> MikeMc68_mobile, yeah, it's 'dg'
[19:21] <MikeMc68_mobile> lol
[19:21] <sbasuita> MikeMc68_mobile, gets you off the demo screensaver and into the desktop
[19:22] <MikeMc68_mobile> ok so i'll go in, change the password on all of the PC's, then turn all of the TV's off
[19:22] <natrium42> <sbasuita> MikeMc68_mobile, somehow i know the two-letter master password for all the computers at currys <-- accidentally?
[19:22] <sbasuita> MikeMc68_mobile, nice plan comrade
[19:22] <MikeMc68_mobile> :D
[19:23] <sbasuita> natrium42, well it's not as if i sat there trying every combination ;P i mean that i'm not sure who actually found out in the first place
[19:23] <MikeMc68_mobile> i wonder why dg
[19:23] <sbasuita> MikeMc68_mobile, dixons group
[19:24] <MikeMc68_mobile> ahhh
[19:24] <MikeMc68_mobile> of course
[19:24] <natrium42> wtb balloon pop icon
[19:27] <sbasuita> consumer-b-gone: http://lekernel.net/blog/?p=83
[19:33] <MikeMc68_mobile> lol
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[20:22] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: we need to decide a launch date
[20:22] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, yeah it's not looking good http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/hourly-predictions/
[20:23] <jonsowman> AlexBreton/ sbasuita did ed put your payload details into the hourly preds system?
[20:23] <sbasuita> jonsowman, yep
[20:23] <sbasuita> jonsowman, it would be good to have a local copy of the system i could run
[20:24] <jonsowman> mm its all fairly integrated
[20:24] <jonsowman> would just use the cusf one if i were you
[20:24] <jonsowman> it would be more effort than its worth to run a local copy
[20:25] <sbasuita> fair 'nuff
[20:27] <DanielRichman> jonsowman, what components is the predictor built out of/how "sprawling"/much of a mess is it?
[20:28] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, all the paths are just on the edge of land; it's like it was planned
[20:28] <DanielRichman> the prediction 'line' curves nicely round the headland
[20:28] <DanielRichman> in the danger zone
[20:29] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: good question
[20:29] <jonsowman> its so much of a mess currently i'm not really sure
[20:29] <DanielRichman> :P
[20:29] <jonsowman> i dont know its current method of getting the GRIB data and parsing ti
[20:29] <jonsowman> *it
[20:29] <DanielRichman> jonsowman, is all the sauce available somwhere?
[20:29] <DanielRichman> (out of curiosity)
[20:30] <jonsowman> its all on the CUSF SVN
[20:30] <jonsowman> rich is working on the monte carlo predictor
[20:30] <LazyLeopard> sbasuita: Grief! What sprt of scenario _is_ that?!
[20:30] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, configure your irc client to join two channels
[20:31] <DanielRichman> it's not hard... infact it's what you're meant to do if you want to be in two channels at once
[20:31] <sbasuita> is drag and drop a turing complete language?
[20:31] <DanielRichman> (context: AlexBreton is a macfreak)
[20:31] <DanielRichman> and sbasuita, no, I don't think so
[20:31] <sbasuita> D;
[20:32] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: DanielRichman don't want to be in ##banter
[20:32] <AlexBreton> we're all on skype
[20:32] <DanielRichman> not even remotely true
[20:33] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: the name irritates me
[20:33] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: I have no need for 'banter'
[20:33] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, me too. It's not the end of the world
[20:33] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, six bytes isn't going to hurt joo
[20:33] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman:
[20:35] <jonsowman> hmm predictions arent looking great are they
[20:36] <jonsowman> DanielRichman: payload ready to fly?
[20:36] <DanielRichman> jonsowman, pretty much
[20:36] <DanielRichman> (gah!) hardly anyone sells microsd card adaptors on their own
[20:37] <jonsowman> looks like a nice payload
[20:38] <DanielRichman> you looking at the photos on ze 'blog?
[20:38] <jonsowman> i am indeed
[20:38] <DanielRichman> does anyone know which is the smallest/know of a small atmega/tiny that has two UARTs?
[20:39] <DanielRichman> hmm. I've found a massive table
[20:40] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, it better have units or you not get mark
[20:40] <DanielRichman> aaaaaaaaaaand the answer was that if you want two uarts you need a 40DIP sized chip
[20:40] <DanielRichman> !!! great!
[20:40] <jonsowman> what are the UARTs for
[20:41] <DanielRichman> I'd like to have one to attach to a USB FTDI chip and the other to attach to a GPS module for another project (and the SPI will be connected to a SD card)
[20:41] <jonsowman> ah i see
[20:42] <jonsowman> where ?you launching from
[20:42] <jonsowman> ?
[20:42] <jonsowman> cambridge i assume?
[20:42] <DanielRichman> yes
[20:42] <jonsowman> cool
[20:42] <jonsowman> are you chasing?
[20:43] <sbasuita> jonsowman, yep
[20:45] <DanielRichman> take the software serial plunge or get two atmegas: that is the question
[20:45] <jonsowman> sbasuita: good stuff
[20:45] <jonsowman> i might try and come to the launch - depends when it happens
[20:46] <jonsowman> my college in 15 mins walk from churchill, so if i'm here i'd love to come along :)
[20:46] <jonsowman> *is
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[20:51] <rjharrison_eee> boo
[20:51] <rjharrison_eee> anyone there
[20:51] <rjharrison_eee> just testing my new eee
[20:51] <sbasuita> rjharrison_eee, hallo
[20:51] <rjharrison_eee> cool
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[20:52] <MikeMc68_mobile> jesus - installing irssi is a long process
[20:53] <tonyb486> apt-get install irssi, or emerge irssi, or yum install irssi, or maybe pacman -S irssi ?
[20:53] <MikeMc68_mobile> are you using the new eee_ubuntu ?
[20:53] <MikeMc68_mobile> i'm using macports
[20:53] <tonyb486> oh
[20:54] <MikeMc68_mobile> what i mean is it takes a long time to compile etc.
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[20:54] <tonyb486> fair enough
[20:54] <MikeMc68_mobile> macports is dong it's business but it's being doing it for about 10 mins now
[20:54] <rjharrison_eee> Just installed eeebuntu again
[20:55] <MikeMc68_mobile> version 4 ?
[20:55] <rjharrison_eee> Later version and it's a whole lot better
[20:55] <DanielRichman> MikeMc68_mobile, tonnes of dependencies or something?
[20:55] <rjharrison_eee> No 3.0
[20:55] <MikeMc68_mobile> yeah
[20:55] <rjharrison_eee> I'm waiting on 4
[20:55] <rjharrison_eee> That looks like it is going to be really good
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> ---> Computing dependencies for irssi
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> ---> Fetching expat
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> ---> Attempting to fetch expat-2.0.1.tar.gz from http://downloads.sourceforge.net/expat
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> ---> Verifying checksum(s) for expat
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> ---> Extracting expat
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> ---> Configuring expat
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> ---> Building expat
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> ---> Staging expat into destroot
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> ---> Installing expat @2.0.1_0
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> ---> Activating expat @2.0.1_0
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> etc
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> it's 70 lines long i just pasted 10 of them
[20:56] <natrium42> and it already filled rjharrison_eee's screen
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> mind you it's doing a lot of 'fetch' ing too
[20:56] <sbasuita> MikeMc68_mobile, you did set up ports to use all your cpu cores right?
[20:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> yep
[20:57] <sbasuita> cool
[20:57] <MikeMc68_mobile> i think it's the fetching that's taking long
[20:57] <DanielRichman> apt > you
[20:57] <sbasuita> tbf it should fetch and compile in parallel
[20:57] <MikeMc68_mobile> i'm on the hackspace wifi and it's not the fastest
[20:57] <DanielRichman> do they not allow you on irc there?
[20:57] <MikeMc68_mobile> ?
[20:57] <DanielRichman> well you're chatting from your mobile
[20:57] <MikeMc68_mobile> this is irc isn't it ?
[20:58] <MikeMc68_mobile> no i'm on my laptop
[20:58] <DanielRichman> unless it's a trap
[20:58] <DanielRichman> it's a trap!
[20:58] <MikeMc68_mobile> mobile as in - out and about
[20:58] <DanielRichman> oh, fair enough
[20:58] <DanielRichman> bbl
[21:02] Nick change: Jos -> jos
[21:02] <rjharrison_eee> natrium42: how is it going with integrating the data into the mappable area of google maps
[21:03] <rjharrison_eee> It's looking a bit tight on the eee at the moment
[21:03] <rjharrison_eee> ;)
[21:04] <natrium42> hehe, i will wait until the rewrite i think
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[21:05] <rjharrison_eee> It would be cool to have some tick boxes for the various screens
[21:05] <natrium42> nonono, tabs
[21:06] <rjharrison_eee> Yep tabs would be good
[21:06] <natrium42> unfortunately it will be a bit hackish having maps on a tab
[21:06] <rjharrison_eee> ? Aren't tabs just links
[21:06] <natrium42> as you cannot use "display: none" css rioerty
[21:06] <natrium42> *property
[21:07] <natrium42> since maps needs widths and heights
[21:07] <rjharrison_eee> ahh
[21:07] <natrium42> so the usual technique is to shift it by a huge negative number to the left
[21:07] <rjharrison_eee> hehe cool
[21:08] <rjharrison_eee> it would be cool to make a index_eee.php
[21:09] <rjharrison_eee> Perhaps I could have a fiddle at some time
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[21:09] <natrium42> yeah, it will be on github, so i will add people who want to add things
[21:10] <rjharrison_eee> I could do with stealing the code for a play sometime
[21:10] <natrium42> probably in python though
[21:10] <rjharrison_eee> Save breaking spacenear.us
[21:10] <jonsowman> natrium42: decided on python then?
[21:10] <rjharrison_eee> provided you don't mind
[21:10] <natrium42> jonsowman, guess so
[21:11] <natrium42> pylons looks very nice
[21:11] <Laurenceb> hi
[21:11] <natrium42> jonsowman, thinking about ext js for UI
[21:11] <jonsowman> natrium42: heard good things about pylons
[21:11] <natrium42> jquery ui is teh sux
[21:11] <natrium42> ext js also comes with nicely looking widgets, so less work
[21:11] <jonsowman> less work is always goof
[21:11] <jonsowman> *good
[21:11] <jonsowman> sounds good to me :)
[21:12] <natrium42> :)
[21:12] <rjharrison_eee> natrium42: is the tracker in svn
[21:12] <natrium42> and python means we can always run it on google app engine
[21:12] <natrium42> which uses the google distributed network
[21:12] <jonsowman> yeh
[21:12] <MikeMc68_mobile> at last i have irssi working
[21:12] <jonsowman> what are we going to do about integrating the predictor?
[21:12] <natrium42> rjharrison_eee, no, it will be a git repository once i have time to get it started
[21:12] <jonsowman> cant run the executable on google app engine?
[21:13] <natrium42> either port it to java (or python)
[21:13] <natrium42> or run it on your own server
[21:13] <rjharrison_eee> oh I thought the git was for wx data :)
[21:13] <jonsowman> natrium42: yeh could just run it on the CUSF/srcf server
[21:13] <natrium42> just need to have some proxy on the tracker server
[21:13] <jonsowman> a python port would be neat
[21:13] <natrium42> because of js security model
[21:14] <jonsowman> seeing as rich's version uses python to NDAP the GRIB data and parse it
[21:14] <natrium42> yeah
[21:14] <natrium42> i am using rich's code in the tracker atm
[21:14] <natrium42> it's nice
[21:14] <jonsowman> yeh it is
[21:14] <natrium42> although the ini choice is interesting :)
[21:14] <jonsowman> i havent really looked at it much tbh
[21:14] <jonsowman> something else on my todo list
[21:15] <jonsowman> just dont have time when im at uni
[21:15] <natrium42> yep, time is the problem...
[21:15] <natrium42> great, my mouse ran out of batteries
[21:15] <jonsowman> :(
[21:15] <natrium42> brb, getting charging cable
[21:16] <natrium42> k, back to making balloon pop icon :S
[21:17] Action: natrium42 hates art
[21:17] <jonsowman> natrium42: me too, im awful at graphics
[21:17] <natrium42> i bought some vector stock, but need to redo it a bit
[21:17] <jonsowman> making stuff work is one thing but i cannot make stuff look pretty
[21:21] <jonsowman> any launches planned apart from alien?
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[21:25] <rjharrison_eee> yep Icarus III
[21:25] <jonsowman> rjharrison_eee: cool, whens that?
[21:25] <rjharrison_eee> asap
[21:26] <jonsowman> :)
[21:26] <rjharrison_eee> subject to wx
[21:26] <jonsowman> good stuff
[21:26] <jonsowman> quite a few going on at the moment, its good
[21:27] <rjharrison_eee> Hey I got some pics today from another launch in the UK last w/e
[21:27] <jonsowman> rjharrison_eee: which one was that?
[21:27] <rjharrison_eee> Quite a bit falling out of the sky last w/e
[21:28] <rjharrison_eee> A ham club in wales
[21:28] <jonsowman> interesting
[21:29] <DanielRichman> what did they luanch?
[21:31] <rjharrison_eee> It was a manchester ham club
[21:31] <rjharrison_eee> just read the email
[21:31] <rjharrison_eee> #I have mentioned to them they need caa aproval
[21:32] <rjharrison_eee> but it doesn't appear to have been sort
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[21:32] <rjharrison_eee> 1500 to ~100,000
[21:32] <rjharrison_eee> ft
[21:32] <rjharrison_eee> sought
[21:32] <jonsowman> hmm thats bad
[21:33] <rjharrison_eee> Hence not wanting to post their pics etch
[21:34] <rjharrison_eee> I think we will keep it out of UKHAS teritory of they are not going to play ball
[21:34] <rjharrison_eee> if
[21:34] <jonsowman> ah i see
[21:34] <rjharrison_eee> I will try to bring them in line
[21:34] <rjharrison_eee> I
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[21:34] <rjharrison_eee> opps
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[21:35] <rjharrison_eee> eee return is a bit small
[21:35] <jonsowman> which eee is it?
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[21:41] <rjharrison_eee> 900
[21:41] <jonsowman> :)
[21:43] <fsphil> I got that one
[21:43] <fsphil> nice laptop, battery is pants
[21:43] <rjharrison_eee> yep
[21:43] <fsphil> rjharrison, what's your email. I meant to send you that fldigi patch
[21:43] <rjharrison_eee> I got 3 for the it dept at work but no one but me uses them
[21:44] <rjharrison_eee> oh cool
[21:44] <fsphil> I use mine all the time, when I'm out and about fixing - or doing radio stuff
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[21:44] <rjharrison_eee> rharrison ----at ---- hgf.com
[21:44] <fsphil> ta
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[21:52] <jonsowman> yo edmoore
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[21:52] <edmoore> hi
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[21:56] <MikeMc68_mobile> hi
[21:57] <jonsowman> hi MikeMc68_mobile
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[21:59] <MikeMc68_Test> hello
[21:59] <Randomskk> hi
[21:59] <MikeMc68_Test> cool
[21:59] <MikeMc68_Test> sending messages from irssi
[21:59] <MikeMc68_Test> ok so this works
[22:00] <MikeMc68_Test> now to install screen
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[22:00] <Randomskk> irssi also has a load of useful and neat addons
[22:00] <Randomskk> the ones I like most are the ones that give each nickname a random persistent colour, making it much easier to keep track of conversation
[22:00] <Randomskk> the mouse support one that lets you change windows with the mouse
[22:00] <Randomskk> the advanced windowlist one that shows what windows you have open
[22:00] <MikeMc68_Test> ok i don't need to install screen
[22:01] <MikeMc68_Test> it's already installed
[22:01] <Randomskk> and that's the really important ones I guess. screen_away is useful
[22:01] <Randomskk> so how screen works is you run screen, load irssi
[22:01] <MikeMc68_Test> either i've installed it prior or it's part of unix (osx)
[22:01] <Randomskk> ctrl+a D to detach
[22:01] <Randomskk> then later, `screen -x` to reattach
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[22:02] <MikeMc68_Screen> hello
[22:02] <Randomskk> as for the scripts, I would recommend adv_windowlist.pl, mouse.pl, nickcolor.pl, screen_away.pl and trackbar.pl
[22:02] <jonsowman> Randomskk: Ctrl+a d
[22:02] <MikeMc68_Screen> now inside screen
[22:02] <Randomskk> all available from http://scripts.irssi.org/
[22:02] <MikeMc68_Screen> this is neat
[22:03] <Randomskk> oh, yea, lower case d.
[22:03] <Randomskk> that site also gives installation instructions
[22:03] <MikeMc68_Screen> thanks
[22:03] <Randomskk> (basically you just download the script to .irssi/scripts and put it in autorun and it's done)
[22:03] <MikeMc68_Screen> i'll try those when i'm sober
[22:03] <Randomskk> sounds like aplan
[22:03] <Randomskk> a plan*
[22:03] <Randomskk> uptime: 148d 5h 31m 51s
[22:03] <Randomskk> woo irssi
[22:03] <MikeMc68_Screen> i think i've done pretty well so far considering i've had several bottles of Hobgoblin
[22:04] <Randomskk> installing anything on unix after several bottles of anything is doing pretty well
[22:04] <jonsowman> lol
[22:04] <MikeMc68_Screen> :D
[22:04] Action: LazyLeopard wondered why there were four of you... Must be the Hoobgoblin... ;)
[22:04] <fsphil> *logging in* is dong well
[22:04] <jonsowman> you two are both very manly pink/purple colours on my irssi
[22:04] <MikeMc68_Screen> Cool - next bit is to try to connect to this using my android phone and ssh
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[22:05] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton,
[22:05] <Randomskk> MikeMc68_Screen: that does work relatively well though typing is a pain - does your phone have a physical keyboard?
[22:05] <MikeMc68_mobile> Nope
[22:06] <Randomskk> well, it works, but even a netbook is better :P
[22:06] <Randomskk> you want connectbot for android
[22:06] <MikeMc68_mobile> well the idea is to use irc when i'm ot and about on my phone
[22:06] <Randomskk> yea
[22:06] <MikeMc68_mobile> like today - but without losing track of teh convo when i get discconected
[22:06] <Randomskk> irssi+screen does work nicely for that
[22:06] Action: LazyLeopard has used screen & irssi via his G1 phone, but it's a bit of a pain in the eyes to read...
[22:07] <jonsowman> its useable on my iphone though not great
[22:07] <jonsowman> on GPRS/edge its just painful though
[22:07] <MikeMc68_mobile> rick can you not change font sizes ?
[22:07] <MikeMc68_Screen> cool
[22:07] <MikeMc68_Screen> logging off screen
[22:07] <Randomskk> thing is if you increase font size you get about a line of text on the screen
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[22:08] <MikeMc68_mobile> hmm
[22:09] Nick change: MikeMc68_mobile -> MikeMc68_Hackspa
[22:09] <MikeMc68_Hackspa> bugger
[22:09] Nick change: MikeMc68_Hackspa -> MikeMc68_Mobile
[22:10] <LazyLeopard> I use ConnectBot, and it's a bit of a trade-off. Make the font any much bigger and I can't see enough for it to be much use. So I keep it at 80x25 and hold it up close...
[22:11] <Randomskk> same
[22:11] <Randomskk> it's usually sufficient to check on the conversation and occasionally say stuff if need be
[22:11] <jonsowman> same for me with iSSH
[22:11] <LazyLeopard> Yeah.
[22:11] <MikeMc68_Mobile> nice to know as it was ConnectBot I downloaded to try
[22:11] <jonsowman> its readable but typing is a pain
[22:11] <Randomskk> iSSH seems slightly more mature than the version of connectbot I had but am upgrading now
[22:12] <Randomskk> mainly that little toolbar that pops the keyboard up/down and presses tab etc
[22:12] <Randomskk> the thing is connectbot is written for the g1 with its real keyboard
[22:12] <Randomskk> where things like buttons and keyboards are not an issue
[22:12] <MikeMc68_Mobile> ahh
[22:12] <Randomskk> however it's not bad and that was a while ago
[22:12] <Randomskk> I believe it's got better
[22:12] <MikeMc68_Mobile> iSSH is Android I presume ?
[22:12] <Randomskk> iphone
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[22:12] <Randomskk> on the bright side, double tapping the trackball sends escape, and then moving it either side sends side arrows
[22:13] <Randomskk> so in irssi you can change channel by just tapping the trackball and moving it to one side or the other
[22:13] <MikeMc68_Mobile> ok i have an android phone
[22:14] <Randomskk> ah
[22:14] <Randomskk> this version is much better
[22:14] <Randomskk> does have taps and others
[22:14] <Randomskk> lol the screenshots show it being used for irssi in fact
[22:14] <jonsowman> :)
[22:14] <MikeMc68_Mobile> ConnectBot ?
[22:14] <jonsowman> brb
[22:15] <Randomskk> MikeMc68_Mobile: yea
[22:15] <MikeMc68_Mobile> cool
[22:15] <MikeMc68_Mobile> well i need to set up screen _ irssi on my iMac at home not this laptop so i'll do that tomorrow night
[22:17] <jonsowman> Randomskk: new router is from ebay btw... lightning and striking twice and all that
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[22:19] <Randomskk> jonsowman: how much was this one?
[22:19] <jonsowman> £30 inc
[22:19] <Randomskk> ntb
[22:20] <jonsowman> mm yeh, and 1st class recorded deliv
[22:20] <MikeMc68_Mobile> why did you need a new router?
[22:20] <jonsowman> MikeMc68_Mobile: one to use at uni
[22:21] <jonsowman> talking of which, theres a new DGTeam firmware out
[22:21] <jonsowman> loads of new features, will flash that onto the DG834GT at home when i get back
[22:21] <MikeMc68_Mobile> a wifi router or a bog standard one ?
[22:21] <jonsowman> wifi, WRT54GL
[22:21] <MikeMc68_Mobile> ok
[22:22] <MikeMc68_Mobile> i could have given you one
[22:22] <MikeMc68_Mobile> never mind
[22:22] <jonsowman> ah well, cheers anyway :)
[22:22] <jonsowman> was the WRT54GL i wanted as Randomskk and I want to play with OpenWRT
[22:22] <jonsowman> and mesh networks etc
[22:23] <MikeMc68_Mobile> yeah got one of those
[22:23] <MikeMc68_Mobile> you wouldn't believe the shit i have in my spare room
[22:23] <MikeMc68_Mobile> you ask me i've probably got it
[22:23] <jonsowman> MikeMc68_Mobile: haha
[22:23] <MikeMc68_Mobile> cruise missiles, cadillacs, the lot
[22:24] <Randomskk> on phone now
[22:25] <Randomskk> connectbot is definitely better than before
[22:25] <Randomskk> still not as smooth as the iphone one though
[22:25] <MikeMc68_Mobile> ok i'll try it out tomorrow when i have a) time and b) eyes that can focus
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[22:30] <MikeMc68_Mobile> hi james
[22:32] <jcoxon> evening
[22:33] <MikeMc68_Mobile> busy lately?
[22:33] <MikeMc68_Mobile> Not seen you on much
[22:34] <natrium42> James Van Coxon
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[22:34] <jcoxon> yeah i'm on placement in Salisbury so am quite busy
[22:35] <jcoxon> hospital takes up alot of my time and internet connection is crap
[22:35] <MikeMc68_Mobile> bastards
[22:37] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:37] <jcoxon> you at hackspace?
[22:37] <MikeMc68_Mobile> yep
[22:37] <MikeMc68_Mobile> Mitch Altman is here
[22:37] <MikeMc68_Mobile> again
[22:39] <jcoxon> oh cool
[22:43] <MikeMc68_Mobile> there are also lots of bottles of Hobgoblin here
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[22:52] <MikeMc68_Mobile> hello
[22:52] <MikeMc68_Mobile> actually i guess i should make y way home
[22:53] <MikeMc68_Mobile> as i'm still in London at 22:53 and need to get back to Kent
[22:53] <MikeMc68_Mobile> and I have work tomorrow
[22:53] <MikeMc68_Mobile> bye bye
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[23:56] <fsphil> hiya ProjectCirrus , how's things?
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