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[01:41] <juxta> hey all
[01:42] <juxta> BH4 recovered, yay :D
[02:00] <natrium42> :)
[02:00] Action: natrium42 wonders why the descent rate was so low if there was no balloon...
[02:05] <Twiner> Magic!
[02:05] <Twiner> Everything unexplainable will eventually ve
[02:05] <Twiner> be accredited as magic*
[02:06] Action: Twiner failed a bit.
[02:06] <natrium42> i can't deal with magic
[02:06] <natrium42> it's like dealing with religion
[02:09] <Twiner> IF (explanation == NUL) { magic++; }
[02:09] <Twiner> (:
[02:11] <natrium42> nonono, this fails for http://drwizard.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/unexplainable_picture.jpg
[02:12] <juxta> natrium42: is Nova 17 still go for later today?
[02:14] <Twiner> natrium42: ELSE IF (postVanOnSlope == TRUE) { darwinAward++; }
[02:14] <Twiner> Or something.
[02:21] <natrium42> hehe
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[05:48] <natrium42> juxta, there?
[05:48] <juxta> hey natrium42
[05:48] <juxta> yeah I am
[05:48] <natrium42> hi
[05:48] <juxta> just looking into hamming codes and the like to try and boost tx baud rate :)
[05:49] <natrium42> ooh, planning to do something fancy with high baud rate? :)
[05:51] <natrium42> juxta, check this out: http://spacenear.us/tracker
[05:53] <juxta> buttons look good! :D
[05:54] <natrium42> try hovering over a position
[06:02] <juxta> natrium42: hmm, I only see one position, but it doesnt do anything if I hover over it..
[06:02] <natrium42> which browser are you using?
[06:02] <juxta> wait
[06:02] <juxta> I see it now, refreshed
[06:02] <juxta> that's really cool
[06:02] <natrium42> :)
[06:03] <juxta> quite a few listeners on the map I see
[06:04] <natrium42> yeah, i just enabled all listeners for testing
[06:04] <natrium42> many are inactive
[06:04] <natrium42> in RL
[06:04] <juxta> ah okay
[06:05] <juxta> natrium42: why do icons (receivers and payload) vanish at the closest zoom setting?
[06:06] <natrium42> not sure yet, trying to figure it out
[06:06] <natrium42> they don't vanish in chrome
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[06:31] <natrium42> hi edmoore
[06:32] <edmoore> hi
[06:38] <edmoore> just going to head to the lab
[06:41] <natrium42> coolz, weather ok?
[06:42] <edmoore> seems to be...
[06:43] <natrium42> good luck
[06:46] <edmoore> thanks!
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[06:56] <juxta> natrium42: do you have any NTX2 modules?
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[06:57] <rjharrison> morning all
[06:58] <natrium42> juxta, yes, one
[06:58] <natrium42> rjharrison, hey
[06:58] <juxta> morning rjharrison
[06:58] <rjharrison> for all you hab addics out there don't forget http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php for you mobile phones
[06:58] <rjharrison> Hey juxta
[06:58] <rjharrison> I have to dash just putting a link up for people who want to track todays launch using mobile phones
[06:58] <juxta> I want to try and get hold of another NTX2 module on a different freq, the reseller here can get other frequencies, but with a lead time of several weeks
[06:59] <natrium42> full tracker works on iphone :P
[06:59] <natrium42> just moving about map and zooming is hard
[06:59] <rjharrison> cool, I'll have a play
[06:59] <rjharrison> juxta, i can get and post if you think that is quicker
[07:00] <rjharrison> have to dash
[07:00] <juxta> well, I'll talk to you about it in a bit rjharrison
[07:00] <natrium42> rjharrison, i just added listener refresh (1 minute) and signal paths
[07:00] <rjharrison> Send me an email or catch me later
[07:00] <rjharrison> natrium42 coooool
[07:00] <juxta> ok
[07:00] <rjharrison> I want to see that :)
[07:00] <natrium42> rjharrison, is active_tx format the same as receivers.php ?
[07:00] <rjharrison> yes
[07:00] <rjharrison> exactly
[07:01] <rjharrison> iirc
[07:01] <natrium42> alright, cool, have been testing with receivers.php
[07:01] <natrium42> as the other one is empty
[07:01] <rjharrison> shall i make it live
[07:01] <rjharrison> Just run the client for a second
[07:02] <natrium42> don't have it installed on this machine, sorry
[07:03] <rjharrison> There are 2 active atm
[07:03] <rjharrison> You have an hour to test
[07:03] <rjharrison> :)
[07:03] <natrium42> hehe
[07:03] <natrium42> thanks
[07:03] <rjharrison> right must run
[07:03] <rjharrison> laters all
[07:03] <rjharrison> Chat sunday at 7
[07:03] <natrium42> later
[07:03] <natrium42> yep
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[07:17] <natrium42> juxta, the bug occured because receivers were in both hemispheres
[07:17] <natrium42> weird...
[07:18] <natrium42> maybe a bug in google maps
[07:18] <MikeMc68|Asleep> morning
[07:18] <natrium42> so it will work if you have receivers in one hemisphere only *or* you can just run chrome
[07:18] <natrium42> hi MikeMc68|Asleep
[07:19] Nick change: MikeMc68|Asleep -> MikeMc68
[07:19] <MikeMc68> :D
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[07:21] <natrium42> edmoore, are you using CRC16 on this flight?
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[07:23] <natrium42> yo jcoxon
[07:25] <jcoxon> morning natrium42
[07:25] <edmoore> natrium42: FLETCHER'S ALGO
[07:25] <edmoore> whops
[07:25] <natrium42> edmoore, excellent!
[07:25] <natrium42> *EXCELLENT! :)
[07:26] <natrium42> should be much better than XOR
[07:26] <edmoore> could someone purge the tracker?
[07:26] <jcoxon> natrium42, do i see that you've added lines between the payload and the reciever
[07:26] <natrium42> yeah
[07:26] <natrium42> yep
[07:26] <natrium42> also the receivers get updated every minute
[07:27] <jcoxon> cool
[07:32] <Twiner> natrium42: \o/
[07:32] <Twiner> You're the man.
[07:32] <natrium42> :)
[07:33] <Twiner> I was searching for a .kml on your sites source code yesterday to track Nova 17 through Google earth.
[07:34] <natrium42> there's a link under the map
[07:34] <Twiner> And now you've added a link to it right there on the "tracking"-page. :)
[07:34] <natrium42> it has been always there :P
[07:34] <natrium42> but i have been neglecting google earth a lot
[07:34] <natrium42> it could be much improved... too hideous atm
[07:35] <Twiner> Oh. Well, in that case, you aren't "the man" anymore I'm afraid.
[07:35] <Twiner> :P
[07:35] <natrium42> XD
[07:36] <natrium42> you probably noticed it because i bolded the line where you can resize the map
[07:36] <natrium42> before it blended with the map
[07:36] <edmoore> natrium42: you can resiz the map?
[07:36] <natrium42> just drag the bottom
[07:37] <natrium42> it also stores a cookie
[07:37] <natrium42> so the height is saved
[07:38] <jcoxon> would a newer gps (e.g. ublox) be less receptive to interference?
[07:40] <jcoxon> or being more sensitive would it be worse
[07:40] <natrium42> yes, but they are designed with cellphones in mind
[07:41] <natrium42> which have a bunch of different radio sources
[07:41] <natrium42> jcoxon, maybe you just need to add a couple inductors and ferrites
[07:44] <jcoxon> yeah
[07:45] <natrium42> what about an opto coupler between motor and flight computer?
[07:45] <natrium42> you said they were on separate power supplies, right?
[07:46] <jcoxon> there is a relay between them already
[07:46] Nick change: ms7821_ -> ms7821
[07:46] <natrium42> ah...
[07:48] <jcoxon> so they aren't really coupled at all
[07:48] <natrium42> did you have things close to the patch antenna?
[07:48] <natrium42> it can be detuned even by non-metallic things
[07:49] <natrium42> as the dielectric coefficient is different than air
[07:50] <jcoxon> it was close to things but in enclosed with in a gps patch antenna plastic case which gave sufficient gaps to avoid detuning
[07:53] <jcoxon> might swap over to teh FSA03 module
[07:53] <edmoore> a few small panics here but things seem to be back online
[07:53] <jcoxon> hehe great
[07:58] <edmoore> XML settings wrong! 7n2
[08:00] <jcoxon> what do you need fixed
[08:00] <jcoxon> ?
[08:01] <natrium42> whoa, wb8elk balloon just appeared
[08:01] <jcoxon> oh thats me
[08:01] <jcoxon> just testing something
[08:01] <natrium42> ah
[08:01] <edmoore> 2 stop bits
[08:02] <jcoxon> edmoore, okay added to badger.xml and badgercub.xml
[08:05] <jcoxon> only the latest version will autoset up stop and parity
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[08:13] <jcoxon> good luck today edmoore !
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[08:14] <edmoore> having some uplink issues. will keep you posted
[08:14] <edmoore> non auto-scrolling on fldigi is bloody annoying
[08:18] <jonsowman> morning all
[08:18] <natrium42> g'nite
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[08:20] <juxta> hey edmoore
[08:20] Nick change: edmoore -> edmoore|busy
[08:25] <GW8RAK> Will be listening in to the launch today from North Wales.
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[08:28] <juxta> hey jcoxon
[08:28] <juxta> congrats on BH4 recovery :)
[08:29] <jcoxon> hey just popping in briefly
[08:29] <jcoxon> thanks
[08:29] <MikeMc68> wish I could listen in today but I have meetings all morning so have to be in London
[08:29] <MikeMc68> :(
[08:30] <Randomskk> what flight XML setting do I want for today's launch?
[08:31] <juxta> jcoxon, my FSA03's should be here in the next couple of days
[08:31] <Randomskk> I think I have it all set up here
[08:31] <jcoxon> juxta, yay - i want one
[08:32] <juxta> I'll test them and see if they get detuned as easily as patch antennas do & see if they get affected by nearby RFI
[08:32] <juxta> also - I mentioned this briefly to Rob just now - I'd like to get hold of an NTX2 on a different frequency from 434.650
[08:32] <jcoxon> yeah
[08:33] <juxta> but the australian reseller says there's a lead time of 'several weeks'
[08:33] <jcoxon> do you want us to get you one and forward it onto you?
[08:33] <juxta> yeah, that sounds like the go
[08:33] <juxta> would be a 10mw I guess, but that's OK
[08:33] <jcoxon> hehe
[08:34] <jcoxon> 10mW is pretty good...
[08:35] <juxta> yeah, that'll be fine
[08:35] <orlok> juxta: which reseller, and what is it?
[08:35] <juxta> less battery consumption too, hehe
[08:35] <orlok> <- aussie who works at an embedded wireless modem manufacturer
[08:35] <juxta> ahh - yeah, where abouts are you orlok?
[08:35] <orlok> victoria
[08:36] <juxta> they're resold by RF modules Australia, the NTX2 is a NBFM transmitter
[08:36] <orlok> how are things in the land of Coopers?
[08:36] <juxta> 10/25mw versions
[08:36] <juxta> hehe
[08:36] <juxta> not too bad thanks
[08:36] <orlok> love coopers red
[08:36] <orlok> best thing to come out of adelaide
[08:37] <juxta> I like the stout (yellow one) best I think
[08:37] <orlok> not many places carry it here
[08:37] <juxta> hey, we have other good things too
[08:37] <orlok> only red and green
[08:37] <juxta> ... probably
[08:37] <orlok> i dated a geek over there, a long time ago
[08:37] <juxta> haha
[08:37] <orlok> *shudder*
[08:38] <juxta> did you live here?
[08:38] <orlok> the device work makes is GSM based heh
[08:38] <orlok> nah, just caught the train over
[08:38] <juxta> what's it do orlok?
[08:38] <juxta> oh
[08:38] <juxta> wireless modem
[08:38] <orlok> data over GSM voice channel
[08:38] <juxta> I see
[08:38] <orlok> but with smarts
[08:38] <juxta> over GSM voice eh
[08:38] <juxta> hmm
[08:38] <jcoxon> juxta, got to go but will be back later
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[08:39] <juxta> for better coverage?
[08:39] <orlok> yes, wow, usually it takes a while for people to get that
[08:39] <juxta> coverage better than GPRS is patchy in SA, not sure what it's like in VIC
[08:39] <orlok> we mainly do comms for ATM's
[08:40] <juxta> ahh
[08:40] <juxta> nifty
[08:40] <orlok> and indonesia is worse :)
[08:40] <juxta> what baud rates does it manage?
[08:40] <juxta> ahh yeah I could imagine
[08:41] <orlok> not sure
[08:41] <orlok> ssh over it is usable iirc
[08:41] <juxta> yeah, well not that you need much bandwidth for an ATM
[08:42] <orlok> what freq. is the NBFM thing?
[08:42] <juxta> actually orlok, there's a repeater run in VIC with an entry freq the same as NTX2 modules stocked here
[08:42] <juxta> the ones RF mods stock are 434.650
[08:42] <juxta> they make them in a few other frequencies though
[08:42] <orlok> ahhh
[08:43] <orlok> oceancontrols has some gear like that
[08:43] <juxta> this is the one:
[08:43] <juxta> http://www.radiometrix.co.uk/products/ntx2nrx2.htm
[08:44] <juxta> they'll do a few hundred KM used right :)
[08:44] <orlok> http://oceancontrols.com.au/communications/sfe/wireless_modules.htm
[08:45] <juxta> ahh yep
[08:45] <juxta> I saw those ones floating around
[08:46] <orlok> i got a bluesmirf recently
[08:46] <orlok> for a robot
[08:46] <juxta> more like a drop in serial cable replacement
[08:46] <juxta> I'll be back in a little while, I should go be social etc
[08:46] <orlok> apparently they are being used for eftpos scams
[08:47] <juxta> heh, yeah in canada
[08:47] <juxta> someone tapped one into a uart on one of their pin pads
[08:47] <juxta> anyway, back later on ;p
[09:04] <H__> cool picture of BH4 being found
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[09:39] <gb73d> ready to copy
[09:43] <LazyLeopard> Which payload, frequency, etc. needs watching?
[09:43] <gb73d> high Lazy leopard
[09:43] <gb73d> Nova 17 wil use 434.05 and 435.525 rtty 50bd
[09:44] <LazyLeopard> USB
[09:45] <gb73d> 434.050 - Badger Cub, 7n2, 50 baud, 425 shift
[09:45] <gb73d> > 434.525 - Badger 2, 7n2, 50 baud, 425 shift
[09:45] <gb73d> usb
[09:47] <LazyLeopard> Want us to try watching both, or to pick one and stick with it?
[09:48] <LazyLeopard> I'd have to flip back and forth if I watched both...
[09:48] <gb73d> im on 434.050 to start
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[09:49] <gb73d> ive had a rejig of the feeder arrangements the ground plane is 1.5:1 swr and the coax loss is <1.25db
[09:50] <gb73d> i have made a new gp for 435 mhz buts its swr is slightly worse than the 446mhz gp so stuck with latter
[09:50] <gb73d> also found what i thort was a b2b bnc connector turned out to be a feed thru capacitor
[09:51] <gb73d> the capacitor had a better swr with it in
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[09:51] <gb73d> gonna trim the the new ant later
[09:52] <LazyLeopard> Ok. Listening on 434.050 from Orpington Kent.
[09:52] <gb73d> my ant in in the apex of my loft and the slates are damp so a bit more lossy
[09:52] <M0DTS> Hi All, is there a website about today's activity?
[09:52] <gb73d> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[09:52] <M0DTS> ah ok ;-)
[09:53] <LazyLeopard> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:current_launch also says something
[09:54] <LazyLeopard> Won't be in range until balloon gets up a bit...
[09:55] <M0DTS> Heard about it on another forum so was not sure if it was same project. Will be listening with interest again..!
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[09:56] <gb73d> I am near Reading M1ELK on the map
[09:56] <LazyLeopard> Hi Mike. ;)
[09:56] <gb73d> HI
[09:56] <LazyLeopard> <-- RickH
[09:57] <gb73d> from ?
[09:57] <LazyLeopard> <-- Orpington, Kent, near Bromley.
[09:57] <gb73d> oh i thort u menat i knew u from a nother chat room
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[09:58] <Randomskk> ready to track
[09:58] Action: LazyLeopard was saying "Hi" to Penfold
[09:58] <Penfold> just looking in, from Peterbough, currently @ BBC Broadcast Centre :D
[09:58] <Randomskk> from here in our thermo lecture =D
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[09:59] <LazyLeopard> Hi Doug
[10:00] <Randomskk> any news from the launch?
[10:00] <djellison> Hiya. I'm ready to Rx if CUSF want to point me to one payload or the other - otherwise I'll start with the BC
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[10:00] <Randomskk> watching b2 to start with here
[10:01] <Randomskk> VNC'd to my desktop which is controlling my radio :p
[10:01] <djellison> That's good - at least we're not doubling up. Anyone else listening?
[10:01] <Randomskk> hmmm
[10:02] <Randomskk> I have the latest dl-fldigi
[10:02] <Randomskk> it has a HAB button
[10:02] <Randomskk> push butan?
[10:02] <russss> heh
[10:02] <djellison> I'm on 3.11.4 (OSX) is there something newer?
[10:03] <Randomskk> this one was compiled from source last night
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[10:03] <Randomskk> not sure if HAB button should be pressed
[10:03] Action: LazyLeopard is leaving it well alone for now...
[10:03] <juxta> I have a HAB button too
[10:03] <juxta> once you click it it doesnt seem to unclick
[10:04] <djellison> Well - I'm using the google code build, which worked for BH4 this w'end, just set to BC_HK
[10:05] <Randomskk> djellison: not "badgercub"?
[10:05] <djellison> Even if they launch on time, it'll take 10 mins for it to show up here.
[10:05] <djellison> Ed's email to the group on 22nd explicitly said BC_HK and B2_HK
[10:06] <djellison> So I'm on BC_HK
[10:06] <M0DTS> What's the group?.. yahoogroups?
[10:06] <djellison> There's a UKHAS Google Group
[10:07] <Randomskk> okay, using b2hk atm then
[10:07] <LazyLeopard> Ok. Set to BC_HK on 434.05 here at present.
[10:07] <M0DTS> thanks.
[10:08] <Randomskk> 434.525 atm, no signal though
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[10:08] <djellison> That's two BC's and one B2. That's a fair split :)
[10:09] <djellison> Going to grab a snack and a cuppa, back in 5
[10:09] <LazyLeopard> The raw log's showing folks watching BADGER and BADGERCUB.
[10:09] <djellison> Well - until I hear something, it doesn't really matter :)
[10:10] <LazyLeopard> Indeed. ;)
[10:10] <LazyLeopard> (This one --> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php )
[10:10] <djellison> The payload may well be calling its name out like that, the decoding flight XML may still be the HC and H2
[10:10] <djellison> BC and B2 sorry
[10:12] <gb73d> no sigs yet here Reading
[10:12] <LazyLeopard> The log's just showing listeners identifying themselves at present, and it reports the name that's been chosen in the DL Client menu.
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[10:14] <Randomskk> hey iainw
[10:14] <Randomskk> is that you at cusf with the autorotator etc showing up on the tracker?
[10:15] <Laurenceb> hi Randomskk
[10:15] <Randomskk> yo
[10:15] <iainw> Yep that's me, payload should be going up in around 20 mins
[10:15] <Randomskk> iainw: great
[10:15] <Laurenceb> good luck
[10:16] <Randomskk> got my whip and radio setup at home and VNC'd through to control it
[10:16] <LazyLeopard> OK. Time to get a coffee, then. ;)
[10:16] <Randomskk> from LT0 :p
[10:16] <Laurenceb> Ransomskk: have you used the stm32.lbr from the cadsoft ftp for boards?
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[10:16] <Randomskk> iainw: are you in that upstairs postgrad room we used before?
[10:16] <gb73d> can n e 1 confirm launch ?
[10:16] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: yes
[10:16] <Randomskk> gb73d: 20min
[10:16] <Laurenceb> cool
[10:16] <gb73d> ok
[10:16] <iainw> Randomskk: lectures are seriously boring. This is the better choice
[10:17] <Laurenceb> whats flying?
[10:17] <Randomskk> iainw: thermodynamics
[10:17] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: cusf badger2+badgercub
[10:17] <gb73d> u mena launch is in 20 mins >
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[10:17] <Randomskk> gb73d: yes
[10:17] <gb73d> ok
[10:17] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: aim of flgiht?
[10:17] <iainw> Indeed, right on the roof with the RadioFox autotracking rip on the balcony.
[10:18] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: test uplink, inter-payload comms
[10:18] <Randomskk> iainw: cool
[10:18] <Laurenceb> neat
[10:18] <iainw> Laurenceb: Test some 'tronics, talking between badgers
[10:18] <Laurenceb> wireless talking?
[10:18] <iainw> Wired
[10:18] <Laurenceb> ah
[10:18] <iainw> Good to see we have a few listeners
[10:18] <Laurenceb> did you decrease the IF bandwidth on the chipcon for the uplink?
[10:19] <GW8RAK_> This is my first tracking with dl-fldigi. What should I set the flight XML to please?
[10:19] <iainw> Laurenceb: you sound so dissappointed!
[10:19] <Laurenceb> heh
[10:19] <iainw> GW8RAK_: badger
[10:19] <GW8RAK_> iainw - thanks for that.
[10:19] <Laurenceb> IIRC previously you had a crazy bandwidth configured for the uplink
[10:19] <iainw> GW8RAK_: and set it to 2 stop bits on the RTTY modem
[10:20] <LazyLeopard> iainw: Not bc_hk or b2_hk?
[10:20] <GW8RAK_> iainw - yes seen that bit already. Shame the yagi is non operational
[10:21] <iainw> LazyLeopard: interesting question. badger was working for us a minute ago, but b2_hk does fit the stringtype. will investigate.
[10:23] <LazyLeopard> Those two are new additions. If they fit, they match the names given on http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:current_launch
[10:24] <iainw> LazyLeopard: correct, we need the b2_hk and bc_hk settings. the only obvious difference is 7 fields instead of 8 fields, but I'd just changed that manually my end.
[10:24] <iainw> GW8RAK_: go for b2_hk instead of badger
[10:24] <LazyLeopard> Fine. ;)
[10:24] <GW8RAK_> iainw - wilco
[10:24] <djellison> I'll stick with bc_hk then
[10:25] <iainw> cool. we've got the yagi on the b2 and whip on the bc
[10:27] <LazyLeopard> I'm on bc and 434.050 but can switch to 435.525 if required
[10:27] <Randomskk> b2_hk here
[10:28] <LazyLeopard> Presumably the frequency's the main distinction. Both of them seem to use the same RTTY and field sescriptions.
[10:28] <LazyLeopard> s/ses/des/
[10:30] <GW8RAK_> Lazy leopard - shouldn't that be 434.525?
[10:30] <Randomskk> yes
[10:30] <LazyLeopard> Whoops! Thanks!
[10:30] <GW8RAK_> Just wanted to make sure. Sneaked out of work for a couple of hours.
[10:31] <gb73d> work ? whats that there is only science
[10:32] <GW8RAK_> Started out a chemist, but life takes many twists and turns.
[10:33] <GW8RAK_> Radio is my only way of staying sane.
[10:33] <GW8RAK_> Although some would doubt that.
[10:34] <djellison> Well - my career is in the hands of the US State Dept :)
[10:34] <LazyLeopard> Good Luck!
[10:34] <djellison> 8 years of multimedia production for medical education came to an end in Jan. Mid April...I should start anew in LA :)
[10:34] <GW8RAK_> Hopefully by the next launch, I'll have remote radio set up again and I can vanish into the office and "do some paperwork"
[10:35] <gb73d> all sounds complicated
[10:35] <Randomskk> remote radio is fun
[10:35] <juxta> is there a video stream for this launch?
[10:35] <Randomskk> any launch updates iainw?
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[10:37] <iainw> just checking
[10:37] <iainw> just inflating
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[10:42] <GW8RAK_> A general question. Presumably aerials are vertically polarised on the payloads
[10:42] <junderwood_> balloon fill in progress
[10:43] <juxta> GW8RAK_: yes
[10:43] <Randomskk> should I be showing up on the raw log regularly or just as fldigi starts up?
[10:43] <juxta> Randomskk: just when it starts
[10:44] <Randomskk> okay
[10:44] <juxta> & I think it periodically re-announces too
[10:44] <juxta> but not constantly :)
[10:44] <gb73d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akEgsZSfhg
[10:45] <Randomskk> should all the data insertion attempts be coming up as checksum invalid?
[10:45] <Randomskk> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[10:46] <juxta> hmm, hopefully the tracker is configured for the right checksum algorithm
[10:46] <Randomskk> it does have one position for the balloon (on spacenear.us)
[10:46] <juxta> yeah
[10:46] <Randomskk> but all recent ones seem to have invalid cehcks
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[10:47] <gb73d> juxta position
[10:47] <juxta> they were probably just testing
[10:47] <Sophira> Hi :)
[10:47] <juxta> gb73d: I'm in Australia
[10:47] <juxta> hi Sophira
[10:47] <gb73d> ok >)
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[10:48] <iainw> no there is chucksum badness on the tracker
[10:48] <Randomskk> iainw: what freq are you picking up b2 on (if at all)?
[10:48] <iainw> have them both now
[10:48] <Randomskk> scanning is a bit of a pain here
[10:48] <iainw> b2 on 434.515.72
[10:49] <Randomskk> 515?
[10:49] <iainw> bc on 434.048.50
[10:49] <iainw> yep
[10:49] <gb73d> oh good
[10:49] <Sophira> I have a scanner but I'm not sure what the second dot is for. Is that 434.51572MHz?
[10:50] <Sophira> (I live in Reading so probably won't be able to pick it up anyway, but)
[10:50] <Randomskk> not picking anything up on 434 515 070
[10:51] <LazyLeopard> Soph: Yeah
[10:51] <juxta> Sophira: you'll pick it up once it's in the air :)
[10:51] <Sophira> I can only tune to 434.515MHz, but not picking anything up yet.
[10:51] <Sophira> Okies :)
[10:52] <juxta> Sophira: if your scanner in USB/LSB?
[10:52] <mw0cqu> LOTS of long data bursts on 434.525 here in south wales - its going to be a pain methinks
[10:52] <djellison> Those freq's - are the USB or LSB?
[10:52] <juxta> also, you'll probably need to hunt around a little, ideally you'll want to be tuned a little either side of it
[10:52] <iainw> usb
[10:52] <Sophira> I'm... actually not sure. It's not a data-capable scanner, though; I just wanted to hear them. ;p I only have options for AM, FM and WFM.
[10:52] <djellison> thanks
[10:53] <Sophira> (it's an AR-2000)
[10:53] <djellison> Tuned to BC - and ready to roll.
[10:53] <juxta> Sophira: bummer. you'll hear it on FM, but wont be able to decode :(
[10:53] <juxta> it'll just sound like buzzing/crackling probably
[10:53] <Sophira> Well, I could stream it into my computer and have some sort of decoding done there, right?
[10:53] Action: mw0cqu loads up ar5000/SDU5500 onto 70cm zl special
[10:54] <junderwood_> 434524 and 434049 today
[10:54] <juxta> Sophira: that's what's done, yes - but the radios are set to SSB rather than AM or FM
[10:54] Action: Sophira has an AR-2000, for the record. Old scanner, but hey.
[10:54] <Sophira> Hmm, okay. Meh.
[10:54] <Randomskk> I hear something on bc's freq but fldigi isn't decoding, still nothing for b2 on 524 or 515
[10:55] <Randomskk> is the balloon launched?
[10:55] <mw0cqu> anyone got a URL for maidenhead to lat long pls?
[10:56] <LazyLeopard> Quickest way to get lat and long is via streetmap.co.uk
[10:56] <djellison> At about 434.050.10 I USB there's a signal, it's not BC - and it steps up and down a bit every now and again - don't know what it is, not the payload though.
[10:56] <juxta> i mean you probably *could* get it decoding, but it usually sounds like crackling on FM Sophira :(
[10:56] <Randomskk> b2 on 434514
[10:56] <Sophira> :/
[10:56] <iainw> launching now
[10:57] <juxta> iainw: any word on the tracker checksums? should we contact rob?
[10:57] <gb73d> can t hear a thing atm
[10:58] <djellison> Damn - the spark ignitiion on my boiler is like RF napalm
[10:58] <russss> heh
[10:58] <Randomskk> fldigi having massive issues decoding what looks like a clear signal on the wf
[10:59] <djellison> I very much doubt it's the payload - they only just launching
[10:59] <gb73d> oic
[10:59] <djellison> Headphones on to try and pick it out the noise, like the crazy lady from 'Contact' :)
[10:59] <Randomskk> djellison: definitely is
[10:59] <Randomskk> getting $$B2 at start
[10:59] <djellison> What freq, and where are you?
[10:59] <juxta> payload is in the field
[10:59] <Randomskk> 434514
[10:59] <GW8RAK_> Does the tracker page update only when there is a change in position, altitude etc?
[11:00] <Randomskk> whip in camb
[11:00] <juxta> GW8RAK: should update with any new data every 10 secs or so
[11:00] <Randomskk> decoding now
[11:00] <djellison> Ah OK - you've got a slight advantage then :)
[11:01] <djellison> It's away - altitudes coming up on the listen view.
[11:01] <Randomskk> slight :p
[11:01] <juxta> looks like it might be up
[11:01] <Randomskk> heading back now to use the yagi
[11:01] <Randomskk> defintely decoding it okay now
[11:01] <juxta> yeah it's up now, but the tracker is failing the checksums
[11:01] <Randomskk> yup
[11:01] <djellison> They'll fix it once they're back in the lab
[11:02] <LazyLeopard> Getting BC here, sort of...
[11:03] <djellison> Where are you LL?
[11:03] <Randomskk> omw back
[11:03] <Randomskk> 20min
[11:04] <gb73d> trace
[11:04] <Sophira> Gaaaah, and my batteries ran out. Typical. Oh well.
[11:04] <djellison> I can hear BC
[11:04] <LazyLeopard> Noisy. Not decoding completely yet.
[11:05] <djellison> Nor me - and the shift, like I've had before, seems too narrow
[11:05] <iainw> got them both. will attack checksums in a bit
[11:05] <gb73d> shift is 350 not 425
[11:06] <juxta> iainw: should ask Rob to change it?
[11:06] <juxta> should we*
[11:06] <djellison> Wow is that signal strength coming and going - it's swinging a lot!
[11:07] <GW8RAK_> bc_hk appearing on tracker
[11:07] <LazyLeopard> juxta: I don't think he's around...
[11:07] <juxta> could always ring him at work ;p
[11:07] <djellison> Victory : $$BC_HK,0117,11:07:20,+52.24793,+000.11059,01263,6;3;0*A4BD
[11:10] <djellison> OK - they're doing strange things to it I think. Last as reset to 0, altitude has dropped to 5, then 92, the 6
[11:10] <LazyLeopard> $$BC_HK,0125,11:10:00,+00.00000,+001.66650,00006,18;2;0*AF17
[11:10] <LazyLeopard> Yeah.
[11:10] <djellison> Exactly what I got
[11:11] <djellison> It's damn loud and clear here right now
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[11:13] <mw0cqu> got voice on 434.050!! b***y unsporting
[11:14] <juxta> mw0cqu: saying what?
[11:14] <djellison> Is that even on the bandplan?
[11:14] <mw0cqu> using lpd like cb
[11:15] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Checksum errors have gone!
[11:15] <LazyLeopard> I've switched to B2
[11:16] <LazyLeopard> Tracker's now showing three listeners on each.
[11:17] <GW8RAK_> Is B2 still 434.514?
[11:18] <LazyLeopard> GW8RAK: Yes
[11:18] <LazyLeopard> Just a touch up...
[11:18] <GW8RAK_> LL - thanks
[11:19] <djellison> Getting S3 with my Yagi on BC from Leicester
[11:19] Action: Sophira is just searching from 434-435 continually until she can pick something up ;p (I'm not sure of the actual wavelengths in use apart from 434.515)
[11:19] <djellison> I'm getting BC on 434.04935
[11:20] <Sophira> I just got some W on 434.475. Is that related or just me?
[11:21] <Sophira> Probably just me ;p
[11:21] <Sophira> Er, CW.
[11:21] <Sophira> (stupid C key)
[11:21] <LazyLeopard> B2's given some short packets
[11:21] <mw0cqu> weak signs now here 434.050
[11:21] <djellison> If they're doing funky stuff like uplink and asking on payload to speak to the other, you'll get abnormal packets out of it sometimes
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[11:22] <djellison> Or really long carrier tone before a packet - that first uplink test a few months back did that.
[11:22] <juxta> hey rob
[11:23] <djellison> Looks like I picked the lying payload to follow ;)
[11:23] <rjharrison> Yep in a big meeting but spacenear us is working now
[11:23] <juxta> heh
[11:23] <rjharrison> CUSF in air
[11:24] <LazyLeopard> rjharrison: yay ;)
[11:24] <SpeedEvil> The little lines are nice.
[11:26] <iainw> pings and inter-computer commands are god
[11:26] <iainw> *good
[11:27] <LazyLeopard> Doug: Yeah, BC seems to have gone all equatorial!
[11:27] <mw0cqu> definitely hearing 434.059 here , recognisable as baudot, but not strong enough to decode
[11:27] <mw0cqu> .050 - sorry
[11:27] <iainw> try 04989
[11:28] <djellison> Is BC going to be the poor slave taking commands from B2 and lying to us all flight Iain?
[11:28] <iainw> There's some GPS antenna badness I fear
[11:28] <djellison> AHHH
[11:29] <LazyLeopard> mw0cqu: You're about twice as far from it as I am.
[11:31] <mw0cqu> starting to come up a bit now
[11:31] <djellison> Is there a grab-handle to make the waterfall grow on FL DIGI
[11:32] <GW8RAK_> just had burst of signals at s5
[11:32] <Sophira> Is the bandplan available online?
[11:32] <gb73d> my lines are not reaching the tracker display
[11:32] <djellison> Sophira - http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/bandplan.htm
[11:32] <gb73d> its set to report.pskreporter.info
[11:32] <gb73d> port 4739 is that right ?
[11:33] <Sophira> Ah, thanks.
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[11:33] <LazyLeopard> gb73d: Configure->Misc->Text Capture enabled?
[11:33] <gb73d> checking
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[11:35] <gb73d> yes that is enabaled
[11:36] <LazyLeopard> Anything appearing in http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php from you?
[11:38] <LazyLeopard> (...and are you in the list --> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/loggers.php )
[11:40] <djellison> Screen recording of me listening to BC :0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QJvldislmk
[11:42] <gb73d> its working yipppeeeee
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[11:44] <LazyLeopard> BC just gave one good position, then fell back to its equatorial home...
[11:46] <mw0cqu> am I seeing doppler ? or is the TX b****y unstable ?
[11:46] <LazyLeopard> The tx drifts a bit with temperature...
[11:46] <djellison> Def temp swings
[11:47] <djellison> But also it drifts a bit anyway. Signal strength can also come and go - but that tends to be at lower altitude when it's swinging around a lot and you're looking and the antenna side on almost
[11:47] <russss> yeah I doubt you're seeing doppler ;)
[11:47] <GW8RAK_> With the 2 sighting lines in fldigi, do I align them with the two sidebands?
[11:47] Nick change: edmoore|busy -> ed_Nova17
[11:47] <ed_Nova17> hi
[11:48] <djellison> Did anyone else just get a crap load of RF noise?
[11:48] <ed_Nova17> nope
[11:48] <mw0cqu> .515 the better sig presently
[11:48] <ed_Nova17> it might be our uplink hitting you
[11:48] <djellison> three pulses just then, and then another two
[11:48] <mw0cqu> djellison yes
[11:49] <ed_Nova17> hrm, i don't think that was us actually
[11:49] <mw0cqu> .mil are the primary users though
[11:49] <djellison> An MOD fart.
[11:49] <LazyLeopard> I'm getting B2 with tuner at 434.515.28
[11:49] <djellison> BC on 434.049.22 here
[11:49] <mw0cqu> 515.82 here
[11:50] <djellison> Happy with the spread of listeners between the two payload Ed?
[11:50] <GW8RAK_> b2 is getting stronger here but no decodes. Rx'ing on 434.51487
[11:50] <Randomskk> looks like mine lost B2 but I'm back now, retuned radio
[11:50] <Randomskk> shame fldigi won't use hamlib along with AFC
[11:50] <Randomskk> decoding b2 fine
[11:51] <M0DTS> some strange packets now off B2 now and again: $$*0404
[11:51] <junderwood_> ed_Nova17, ian gps told you so
[11:51] <ed_Nova17> ?
[11:51] <gb73d> its starting to fade with me
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[11:51] <Randomskk> ed_Nova17: VNC to my desktop from LT0 worked a treat
[11:51] <gb73d> im on rth edge
[11:52] <Randomskk> shall I stay on b2 or switch to bc?
[11:52] <gb73d> M1ELK here Reading
[11:52] <junderwood_> ed_Nova17, antenna move not such a good idea
[11:52] <djellison> Random - shall we swop? I'll go to B2, you move to BC?
[11:53] <LazyLeopard> g4bAO:: Configure->Misc->Text Capture enabled?
[11:53] <gb73d> select ballon callsign on config DL client
[11:53] <Randomskk> djellison: can do, what freq are we seeing bc on now?
[11:53] <djellison> Bang in the middle of FLDIGI at 434.049.22 USB
[11:53] <djellison> I'll switch after this next packet
[11:53] <g4bAO> I've got badger cub selected
[11:53] <djellison> switching
[11:54] <Randomskk> got bc
[11:54] <Randomskk> S4 or so
[11:54] <g4bAO> and have ticked enable detection and extraction but not enable RX steam
[11:54] <djellison> Got B2 - Packet 231 intact
[11:54] <djellison> What was your first BC packet number?
[11:54] <LazyLeopard> g4bAO: Can you select bc_hk or b2_hk?
[11:54] <Randomskk> looks like it has picked me up as listening for BC fine
[11:55] <Randomskk> I just got 258
[11:55] <Randomskk> and 259 also okay
[11:55] <djellison> We missed one packet between us :D
[11:55] <Randomskk> nice
[11:55] <djellison> Fairly slick handover
[11:55] <g4bAO> Yes, which one?
[11:55] <Randomskk> plenty of people on b2 atm it seems
[11:55] <djellison> Wow - B2 has a very different pattern on the waterfall
[11:55] <Randomskk> yea
[11:55] <Randomskk> I noticed that
[11:55] <Randomskk> lots more harmonics
[11:55] <mw0cqu> BC coming up here, getting bits of the header but not a full decode
[11:56] <djellison> Another B2 uplink test
[11:56] <djellison> BEeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[11:57] <g4bAO> still saying "file saved in temp folder"
[11:58] <Randomskk> g4bAO: try restarting fldigi and make sure the HAB button at the top is clicked if it's there
[11:58] <djellison> Current range for me is only 111km
[11:59] <Randomskk> how are you calculating range?
[11:59] <g4bAO> BINGO ! taht did it, thanks...
[12:00] <djellison> Google Earth :)
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[12:00] <djellison> One point on my house, one point on the most recent point on the KML
[12:00] <g4bAO> Uploading now, thanks....just in time for the signal to fade out!
[12:00] <Randomskk> what about vertical?
[12:00] <djellison> Meh
[12:00] <djellison> For a triangle with 111km x 12km, the hypotenuse isn't going to be much longer than 111km
[12:01] <Randomskk> true
[12:01] <djellison> Not going to be beating my personal best of 400km with BH3 :)
[12:01] <Randomskk> I don't think the balloon will get that far, no :P
[12:01] <Penfold> 111.6km, in fact :D
[12:02] <muf> hi
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[12:02] <M0DTS> Both signals upto S8 in teesside... good work!...off for lunch now then work..bye
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[12:03] <djellison> Holy crap - what antenna have you got to pull S8 out of it?
[12:03] <gb73d> its now way above commercial airliners 45000 ft approx
[12:04] <djellison> Another B2 uplink test
[12:05] <djellison> 46350ft right now
[12:05] <fsphil> uplink working fine?
[12:05] <LazyLeopard> My yagi needed a bit of an upward tilt... Cleaner signal now. ;)
[12:06] <djellison> No idea - but you can tell when they've commanded one, you get a very short packet, a really long carrier, then the next packet is the next packet number
[12:06] <Randomskk> haven't heard any on bc yet
[12:06] <Randomskk> I still have S3 with my whip :D
[12:06] <Randomskk> should probably swap to the yagi at some point but it's a bit of an effort to hold
[12:07] <LazyLeopard> Doesn't register on my radio's S scale...
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[12:07] <djellison> S4 here
[12:07] <LazyLeopard> Comes in on fldigi OK though.
[12:07] <Randomskk> what happened to bc's altitude?
[12:07] <gb73d> considering im using a 0db gain indoor antenna and am on edge of coverage
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[12:07] <Randomskk> also amusing is the path disparity between the two
[12:07] <gb73d> not bad
[12:07] <djellison> BC's been lying all flight - I think it's GPS isn't healthy
[12:08] <Randomskk> its path is much more sporadic too
[12:08] <Randomskk> b2's looks more believable
[12:08] <Randomskk> seems to be drifting slowup up freq
[12:09] <Randomskk> should get the tracker system to report frequency
[12:10] <gb73d> geting a bit of lpd qrm now its weaker
[12:11] <Randomskk> what does glass do to 434mhz?
[12:11] <Randomskk> could just point my yagi through my window
[12:11] <mw0cqu> even with the DSP I cant currently get lock
[12:11] <mw0cqu> randomskk> depends on the glass (no joke0
[12:12] <Randomskk> lol fair enough
[12:12] <ed_Nova17> rjharrison: hi rob its fergus
[12:12] <Randomskk> well the whip is inside my room and that's picking it up fine atm
[12:12] <LazyLeopard> mw0cqu: B2 is stronger and clearer from here than BC.
[12:12] <mw0cqu> bc getting notable stronger here
[12:12] <LazyLeopard> uplink ;)
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[12:13] <fsphil> lpd?
[12:13] <mw0cqu> Low Power D evice
[12:13] <fsphil> ah, ty
[12:14] <ed_Nova17> rjharrison: lastpos is only giving us badgercub positions atm, is there any way to filter them out so we only get b2?
[12:14] <gb73d> yes got another line !
[12:14] <fsphil> when I tried tracking HB4, I had a strange wandering carrier just below 434.075. eventually drifed out of the waterfall
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[12:14] <fsphil> BH4 even
[12:14] <djellison> My sodding broadband craps out every few hours - damn annoying
[12:14] <mw0cqu> $$BC_HK,0314,0*!*0mXb09X6` 265vvjGScH@?w
[12:14] <mw0cqu> $$BC_HK,015,12:10,)0&00000,+0 1.2065000H4'[cp_4T@0x{oBJC^HJ0!2:0L#0000200,+0 1*$650.25,1'*-;0D
[12:14] <mw0cqu> best decodes so far
[12:15] <djellison> My last packet was $$B2_HK,0289,12:14:40,+52.51352,+000.66055,15862,8;+13;010*6477
[12:17] <LazyLeopard> mw0cqu: Have you tried B@ on 434.515.18 (ish)?
[12:17] <mw0cqu> but I need the 847's dsp
[12:17] <mw0cqu> will try again, nothing on thr scope here
[12:18] <LazyLeopard> uplink
[12:18] <mw0cqu> lazyleopard > .515 is WAY weaker with me
[12:18] <LazyLeopard> $$B2_NK,2*ca78
[12:18] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Ok.
[12:18] <mw0cqu> can see it on the 'fall ...not a sniff of decode
[12:20] <djellison> Interesting - my broadband router crapped out so I was offline. When I was back online, DLFLDIGI was still reporting that it was uploading packets, but it wasn't. Had to quite and restart DLFLDIGI to get it uploading properly again
[12:20] <djellison> $$$$PING_,1$f`*fe4e
[12:20] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, weird!
[12:20] <djellison> It's the CUSF boys testing uplink etc
[12:21] <LazyLeopard> The'll have it on the Net next... ;)
[12:21] <djellison> They already do - via DLFLDIGI :)
[12:22] <russss> I will not be satisfied until I can ping the balloon
[12:22] <mw0cqu> LoS here :(
[12:24] <LazyLeopard> It is drifting away from you
[12:24] <djellison> It's not going far, but it is getting quite high, signal should be improving from wherever you're listening just about
[12:24] <GW8RAK_> Getting partial decodes of every packet here. Not bad for a vertical aerial.
[12:25] <mw0cqu> path loss on a 10mW signal at this distance though is significant
[12:25] <djellison> Where are you?
[12:25] <GW8RAK_> Change of rig to old ft726 has increased signal strength
[12:26] <mw0cqu> south wales
[12:26] <GW8RAK_> djellison - north wales on hill top overlooking nw england
[12:27] <djellison> Both of you at 300km give or take - so with a reasonable Yagi you should be able to get it. Local topography probably the biggest factor
[12:27] <djellison> Just going to have a listen on my handheld + linear, see if that's getting it
[12:27] <GW8RAK_> Discovered yesterday that the winter had been unkind to my 21 ele yagi, so once repaired and in vertical orientation, I'd hope to get plenty of signal
[12:28] <mw0cqu> is for me - I cant see more than 56 degs east of south even at Ku band
[12:28] <mw0cqu> currently listening on a colliear - 4 x 5/8
[12:28] <mw0cqu> sorry - 6 x 5/8
[12:28] <mw0cqu> colli*near
[12:29] <GW8RAK_> I think we must have the same collinear
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[12:30] <mw0cqu> ldf4-50 feeding
[12:30] <LazyLeopard> More testing: $$B2_SD,Laae,aa2,979,Hb12,b14,b5f,R671,681,688,Pa03,S110*5dc0
[12:30] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[12:30] <LazyLeopard> Hiya
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> ftr
[12:31] <jcoxon> hows the flight going?
[12:31] <jcoxon> everything working?
[12:31] <LazyLeopard> BC's GPS is playing games...
[12:31] <LazyLeopard> B2 seems to be having fun though.
[12:33] <LazyLeopard> B2's frequency drifting down. Nearer 434.514.70 now.
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[12:35] <djellison> Well - my little kenwood handie can pick it up on my colinear no problems. If I could get a reliable audio-output from it, I could be decoding both payloads at the same time :)
[12:36] <mw0cqu> not seen anything on 514 here in the last 10 minutes
[12:37] <mw0cqu> frequency is now lost to data modem and two non-amateurs using LPD radios whilst testing cables / voltages
[12:38] <GW8RAK_> frequency has just shifted downwards about200Hz
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[12:39] <LazyLeopard> mw0cqu: Ugh. :(
[12:39] <djellison> 434.514.39 here - still decoding - About S3 to S4
[12:39] <gb73d> im moving out of the coverage area M1ELK
[12:40] <Randomskk> lol bc and b2's GPSs are drifting quite a bit
[12:40] <mw0cqu> GW8RAK> I'm watching on a spectrum display on my second radio, no decode on 515, still some on 050
[12:40] <jcoxon> is the green circle representing the horizon similar to the range of receivers?
[12:40] <Randomskk> hmm seems mine's stopped decoding it
[12:41] <Randomskk> lol turning up the volume seems to have helped
[12:41] <GW8RAK_> mw0cqu - sigs shave dropped in strength, but still audible
[12:41] <gb73d> horizon scraper
[12:42] <GW8RAK_> last 2 packets have decreased in strength a lot, barely visible on fldigi
[12:42] <GW8RAK_> Oh well, give it a few more minutes then back to work
[12:43] <GW8RAK_> another frequency shift downwards
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[12:47] <djellison> Another upink :) $$B2_PR,1234*6b3a
[12:49] <gb73d> retuned , increased audio and upped the DSP level
[12:50] <djellison> And ANOTHER uplink :) $$B2_PR,1234*6b3a@/2
[12:50] <djellison> Do we know if this flight has a cut-down altitude set?
[12:52] <djellison> Jetstream - it's heading west
[12:52] <GW8RAK_> To the launchers - well done, very interesting and can't wait for the next one. Back to work, but will monitor things from there.
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[12:54] <LazyLeopard> BC's GPS is having an... interesting... day.
[12:54] <LazyLeopard> B2's had a few dramatic altitude points.
[12:55] <Laurenceb> has BC dropped off?
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[12:56] <ed_M0TEK> yo
[12:56] <djellison> YOU
[12:56] <ed_M0TEK> so we might issue a cutdown command soon
[12:56] <ed_M0TEK> 24km
[12:56] <Laurenceb> M)DTS: impressive range
[12:56] <djellison> OK
[12:56] <Laurenceb> *M0DTS
[12:56] <Laurenceb> has BC cutdown?
[12:57] <djellison> BC's jsut been lying all day :0
[12:57] <LazyLeopard> I think BC's reported position and altitude are mostly wild guesses, perhaps?
[12:57] <ed_M0TEK> LazyLeopard: ignore BC
[12:57] <Laurenceb> heh its having an attack
[12:58] <LazyLeopard> ed_M0TEK: I am, mostly. ;)
[12:58] <ed_M0TEK> issuing command
[12:59] <ed_M0TEK> coming down
[12:59] <Laurenceb> ooh nice chute
[12:59] <LazyLeopard> Sure is ;)
[12:59] <djellison> I could hear the cutdown just listening is
[12:59] <djellison> Rapidly pulsing signal strength, then it cut in to a more normal swinging signal strength
[13:00] <djellison> Are you chasing Ed?
[13:01] <gb73d> its dropping down
[13:01] <ed_M0TEK> djellison: no, am here
[13:01] <ed_M0TEK> here = cued
[13:05] <djellison> Is there a chase team out? Not a long flight, they should have eyes-on during landing, right?
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[13:08] <gb73d> its geting weaker here no more lines probly
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[13:11] <jonsowman> hi edmoore_M0TEK you in the dept?
[13:11] <edmoore_M0TEK> jonsowman: yes
[13:11] <edmoore_M0TEK> 5th floor penthouse meeting room
[13:12] <LazyLeopard> frequency drifting back up a little.
[13:12] <jonsowman> we have a lecture but might pop up after
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[13:14] <gb73d> has been brilliant fun - finally got lines in
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[13:15] <ed_Nova17> gb73d: thank you for listening!
[13:15] <ed_Nova17> i seem to have two nicks
[13:16] <gb73d> yes got another line
[13:16] <djellison> You've got about 8
[13:16] <gb73d> np
[13:19] <LazyLeopard> fading signal now.
[13:19] <djellison> Getting S2 rather than 3-4 here
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[13:21] <ed_Nova17> she's getting low
[13:22] <fsphil> that's a lovely smooth drop
[13:23] <ed_Nova17> she's coming down nicely
[13:24] <ed_Nova17> djellison: sorry i never answered you
[13:25] <ed_Nova17> there is a chase team out yep
[13:25] <djellison> Don't worry - I know you're busy at HQ
[13:25] <ed_Nova17> not so much now
[13:25] <ed_Nova17> it's all running itself
[13:25] <ed_Nova17> trackatron is fully automagic
[13:25] <djellison> I'm going to get jigging my Yagi, try and grab it lower
[13:26] <ed_Nova17> test
[13:26] <LazyLeopard> signal definitely getting much less clear here now.
[13:26] <ed_Nova17> dropping off your horizon I imagine
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[13:27] <LazyLeopard> Oh. There's Letton. ;)
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[13:27] <LazyLeopard> Still decoding the odd packet.
[13:27] <ed_Nova17> might get some sporadic E
[13:27] <iainw> yep, two guys on the chase
[13:29] <ed_Nova17> it would be cool if spacenearus would be a fullscreen map but just with overlays
[13:29] <ed_Nova17> like cuspaceflight.co.uk/hourly-predictions
[13:29] <ed_Nova17> it gets a bit cramped if you don't have a fullsize window
[13:30] <russss> yeah
[13:31] <ed_Nova17> 2.5km
[13:32] <ed_Nova17> 2.1km
[13:32] <ed_Nova17> nearly down
[13:32] <djellison> Well - I got a crappy packet at 3043 - but that was it
[13:32] <ed_Nova17> poor badger cub
[13:33] <djellison> What's the diagnosis - crappy GPS?
[13:33] <ed_Nova17> i've never seen a gps be so completely wrong before
[13:34] <djellison> Was it a COTS unit, or a Gusomatic CUSF software special?
[13:34] <ed_Nova17> Venus GPS
[13:34] <ed_Nova17> has worked fine before
[13:34] <LazyLeopard> 13:28:20 was the last one here...
[13:35] <gb73d> gone here
[13:35] <LazyLeopard> Oh! BC's appeared. ;)
[13:35] <russss> hah
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[13:35] <LazyLeopard> (on the tracker, at least.)
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> might be an idea to report on the GPS estimated error
[13:35] <djellison> A47 here we come
[13:36] <LazyLeopard> Suddenly they're both in the same place. ;)
[13:36] <russss> the BC issues must have been altitude related
[13:36] <LazyLeopard> Yeah.
[13:36] <ed_Nova17> this is the hypothesis
[13:36] <russss> BC is in the lead now ;)
[13:36] <russss> tracking quite low, who's receiving it?
[13:37] <ed_Nova17> meeeee
[13:37] <djellison> CU
[13:37] <ed_Nova17> (M0TEK)
[13:37] <russss> from cambridge?
[13:37] <ed_Nova17> yep
[13:37] <russss> nice
[13:37] <ed_Nova17> from the 5th floor of the engineering dept
[13:37] <djellison> With the 187 story building with a Yagi on top
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[13:37] <russss> hah, 377m!
[13:37] Action: Penfold wonders if Andy would let him stick a Yagi on the Mill.
[13:37] <ed_Nova17> i have just lost carrier
[13:37] <russss> 10m?!
[13:38] <djellison> That last packed must have been a fart - 13.9m/sec
[13:38] <russss> yeah
[13:38] <LazyLeopard> Penfold: With a remote rotator, or just turn the mill? ;)
[13:38] <russss> although the location is plausible
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[13:38] <djellison> The packet reports the altitude as 10Y97
[13:39] <ed_Nova17> must be down
[13:39] <g4bAO> Lost both signals now...
[13:39] <GW8RAK> The gps reports 10m altitude and yet the ground around there, according to Memory Map is about 120ft asl.
[13:39] <Penfold> LazyLeopard: don't think the cap turns any more.
[13:39] <djellison> It would have been at about...er...250m at the time of that packet
[13:40] <LazyLeopard> Remote rotator, then. ;)
[13:40] <russss> you need a model plane with a receiver on
[13:40] <russss> to pick it up on the ground ;)
[13:40] <Penfold> http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?q=pe4+6lt&mkt=en-GB&FORM=BYFD#JndoZXJlMT0xK3NoYXJtYStsZWFzJTJjK3BldGVyYm9yb3VnaCZiYj01Mi41NzM1MDE5NDI3NTE2JTdlLTAuMjQ4ODQ2MzgyNjAzMzQyJTdlNTIuNTcyNDA2ODI2NDE5JTdlLTAuMjUxMzQxNDY1MzMxNjUx :D
[13:40] <ed_Nova17> right guys we have to shift out of this room
[13:40] <Penfold> top of that mill :D
[13:40] <ed_Nova17> back online in 10 mins
[13:41] <ed_Nova17> the guys are verynear
[13:41] <gb73d> cheers for everything will look out for furthewr on the yahoo list byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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[13:44] <Penfold> LazyLeopard: I did consider asking if I could try out a pringle cantenna <-> cantenna link from there to a mate's place in Scredington.
[13:45] <Penfold> about 25 miles as the crow flies
[13:52] <LazyLeopard> Well, it is fairly flat where you are. ;)
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[14:33] <edmoore> test
[14:33] <edmoore> OK, they've found it
[14:34] <russss> cool
[14:35] <edmoore> it was caught in a tree
[14:35] <edmoore> they're on the way back to cambridge, should be back in about an hour
[14:35] <Randomskk> lol bc's gps
[14:36] <jonsowman> hmm
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[14:36] <Randomskk> edmoore: still, my vnc and computer controlled ic7000 combo worked pretty well
[14:36] <jonsowman> edmoore: who went hunting?
[14:36] <Randomskk> being able to tune the radio from fldigi is nice
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[14:40] <LazyLeopard> Randomskk: Which OS you running fldigi under?
[14:41] <Randomskk> linux
[14:41] <LazyLeopard> Right. ;)
[14:41] <Randomskk> ubuntu 10.04 technically
[14:41] <Randomskk> uh
[14:41] <Randomskk> lol
[14:41] <Randomskk> clearly not
[14:41] <Randomskk> actually 9.10
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[14:42] Action: LazyLeopard is figurung linux is the way to go for amateur radio stuff. Mac has just enough speedbumps to make it complicated.
[14:42] <Randomskk> seems to be more software available for windows really
[14:42] <Randomskk> but I prefer linux for other reasons
[14:42] <mdarley> Badger2 payload successfully recovered
[14:42] <Randomskk> what about poor little badgercub?
[14:42] Action: LazyLeopard is Windows-free, and would like to stay that way, thanks. ;)
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[14:43] <mdarley> hibernating, i think
[14:43] <Randomskk> LazyLeopard: in which case yes, linux is probably better than mac for it
[14:43] <Randomskk> LazyLeopard: though on philosophical grounds you use OS X but not windows?
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[14:43] <LazyLeopard> Had a Windows Mobile phone once... Only phone I've ever had that needed take-the-battery-out hard-boots from time to time.
[14:44] <LazyLeopard> OS X does X tolerably well.
[14:44] <LazyLeopard> I have one OS X desktop, and 3 linux servers.
[14:45] <LazyLeopard> The Mac is good for 3D graphical stuff.
[14:46] <jonsowman> Randomskk: this question doesnt look too bad tbh
[14:48] <edmoore> jonsowman: john and matt went hunting
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[15:09] <juxta_> looks like nova17 was recovered - no hassles had?
[15:09] <juxta_> congrats to all involved :)
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[16:20] <jcoxon> afternoon all
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[16:21] <jcoxon> seems like a good launch
[16:22] <Futurity> Afternoon everyone
[16:22] <jcoxon> hey Futurity
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[16:22] <rjharrison> Hi edmoore, jcoxon et al
[16:22] <rjharrison> edmoore payload retrieved?
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[16:24] <Futurity> Hi jcoxon. I unfortunately missed today's launch due to our cat being very ill. Hopefully I'll be there at the next one to help out
[16:24] <edmoore> rjharrison: infront of us
[16:25] <edmoore> in bits
[16:25] <rjharrison> Ohh
[16:25] <rjharrison> Bad landing?
[16:25] <rjharrison> or just taking stuff out
[16:25] <Futurity> or hit by a car?
[16:28] <jcoxon> Futurity, i wasn't around either - had work
[16:29] <rjharrison> hehe I was in a meeting negotiating 250K of business and watching the track and fixing the telemetry
[16:30] <rjharrison> It's good when you have the laptop in front of you :)
[16:31] <jcoxon> hehe
[16:31] <jcoxon> not sure they'd let me follow on the wards :-p
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[16:44] <edmoore> oh no, completely fine
[16:44] <edmoore> we're just dissassembling
[16:45] <rjharrison> pherw
[16:45] <rjharrison> s/r//
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[17:08] <rjharrison> ids schoool
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[17:08] <rjharrison> bbiab
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[17:15] <jcoxon> does anyone have a wav file of todays flight
[17:16] <jcoxon> just trying to fix the issue we are having with + signs and checksums
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[18:19] <Futurity> I've just noticed atlas and icarus on the tracker. Were these also launched today?
[18:20] <russss> looks like those might be tests
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[18:34] <jcoxon> have now fixed the issue with + signs in dl-fldigi
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[18:34] <natrium42> jcoxon++;
[18:35] <jcoxon> hehe
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[19:04] <MikeMc68> evening
[19:04] <MikeMc68> How did the launch go ?
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> Well!
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> recovered
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> Some oddity with one of the GPSs - but other than that just fine.
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> Several people tracking it
[19:04] <MikeMc68> Height?
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[19:05] <MikeMc68> lol
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> IIRC nothing spectacular.
[19:05] <MikeMc68> What did it get to ?
[19:05] <MikeMc68> Was this just for pictures?
[19:05] <MikeMc68> Np special mission?
[19:05] <MikeMc68> *No
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> I think it was a comms test
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> testing interballoon comms.
[19:05] <MikeMc68> oh that's right they were testing uplinks
[19:05] <MikeMc68> So it all worked?
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> Or uplinks
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> I wasn't following closely.
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> At least it mostly worked, and they got it back.
[19:06] <MikeMc68> That's the main thing
[19:06] <MikeMc68> Awesome
[19:06] <MikeMc68> ping LazyLeopard
[19:07] <LazyLeopard> Hiya
[19:07] <MikeMc68> Hi Rick
[19:07] <MikeMc68> Did you track today's flight?
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[19:08] <LazyLeopard> Quite a lot of uplink responses mixed in with the usual position/altitude/sensors packets
[19:09] <LazyLeopard> Yep.
[19:09] <MikeMc68> Great
[19:10] <LazyLeopard> Logged 189 packets on the tracker.
[19:11] <MikeMc68> nice
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[19:12] <edmoore> right, thanks everyone
[19:12] <edmoore> will write an email in a bit, first need a decent shower and sahev
[19:12] <edmoore> we've got the data file, will get kmls asap
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[22:03] <Laurenceb> sup
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[22:03] <Laurenceb> was nova17 recovered?
[22:05] <junderwood> Yes
[22:05] <Laurenceb> great stuff
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[22:08] <natrium42> Laurenceb, yes
[22:08] <Laurenceb> cool
[22:08] <Laurenceb> natrium42: any chance you could record some 9dof imu data?
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[22:10] <Laurenceb> lawl
[22:11] <natrium42> Laurenceb, sorry but i forgot about it :S
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[22:11] <natrium42> fail.
[22:11] <gordonjcp> bah, missed the /
[22:11] <gordonjcp> epic epic fail
[22:11] <natrium42> :)
[22:11] <gordonjcp> on a less fail note I have implemented an SDR in ~200 lines of code
[22:12] <fsphil> very long lines? :)
[22:13] <Laurenceb> what does it talk to?
[22:14] <Laurenceb> - what do you mean my SDR?
[22:15] <gordonjcp> the S part of an SDR
[22:15] <Laurenceb> so what exactly does it do?
[22:15] <gordonjcp> basically tuning and demodulating the output of my softrock
[22:15] <Laurenceb> ah
[22:15] <gordonjcp> it doesn't filter, or have AGC yet
[22:15] <Laurenceb> hmm hadnt come across the softrock
[22:15] <Laurenceb> interesting
[22:16] <gordonjcp> I'll bung you a link to the git repo probably tomorrow
[22:17] <Laurenceb> I cant find docs for any hardware
[22:17] <Laurenceb> on softrockradio.org
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[22:22] <fsphil> Does it use the sound card or does it have it's own adc?
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[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> good evening
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy and rjharrison
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[23:03] <RocketBoy> Lunar_Lander: hi - how is your project going?
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> I today did some research on parts and costs
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> that goes pretty good
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> btw, the booklet with your graph is out :)
[23:05] <RocketBoy> cool - i like that graph
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> it is very practical I think
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> and I wanted to do a sidekick project
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> do you know Salomon August Andrée?
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> the Swedish engineer who wanted to get to the North Pole by Balloon
[23:07] <RocketBoy> nope
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> well he did nine research flights in Sweden, in 1893-95
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> and I wanted to have his reports translated and put them into a book at BooksOnDemand
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> and I have an OK from Sweden for that
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> but I got a translation offer today
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> and that stopped me dead in my tracks
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> 11200 GBP for the 200 pgs
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[23:10] <RocketBoy> wow - sounds OTT
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:11] <RocketBoy> that like 50 days work - 1 day to do 4 pages
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> and they said "well, scandinavian languages are the most difficult in translation work"
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> I thought they would kid me
[23:12] <RocketBoy> 11200 == 50 days at £220 a day
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:13] <RocketBoy> I guess it depends a lot on the translation quality
[23:14] <RocketBoy> hunt around get a few quotes
[23:14] <RocketBoy> but I'm not sure how you would assess the quailty of translation
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> I actually have a friend who comes from sweden
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> but of course she has to do her normal work
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> don't know if she would do it like after-hours
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> but if she does, she is co-editor with me of course :)
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[23:21] <RocketBoy> I guess to do it properly the translater will need a good understanding of the field - or be doing a lot or research
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> neat.
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> what's the translation field?
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> hm, science
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> That's a big field :)
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> I mean that Andrée did research balloon flights
[23:28] <Lunar_Lander> manned
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> and the reports are narratives of the flights
[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> and results
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> oh - right - I diddn't quite read it like it was translating those.
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> btw I found a good quote by Philip Boit
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> "I am proud to be a pioneer. Even if I cannot win, my participation is a gain. For me and my country"
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> he is the first olympic skiier from Kenya
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[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> do you know Eddie the Eagle?
[23:35] <SpeedEvil> not personally.
[23:35] <RocketBoy> yeah - I was just thinking that - the british equivelent
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> there is going to be an Eddie the Eagle movie
[23:36] <RocketBoy> rock on
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> oh and Eric the Eel
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> do you remember him too?
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[23:39] <RocketBoy> nope not really
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> he swam 100 m in Sydney in 1:57:72
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[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy: http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=1132&objk_id=332866
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[23:51] <RocketBoy> cool - google translate seemed to do a good job of translating that page
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:54] Action: RocketBoy considers translting Salomon August Andrée using google translate and ripping Lunar_Lander off for £10,000
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:55] <RocketBoy> night all
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> There is translate.
[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> night
[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> keeping the meaning intact.
[23:55] <jcoxon> rjharrison, ping
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[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> and there is translate - generating something you might want to read for entertainment
[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[23:57] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, nice coverage of openstreetmap and haiti on bbc news
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> saw that.
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> hello jcoxon!
[23:57] <SpeedEvil> Well - indirectly
[23:57] <jcoxon> hi Lunar_Lander
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[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> did the Dutch recover it?
[23:58] <jcoxon> yes
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> YAY!
[23:59] <jcoxon> in good condition, and ballast tank is empty
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