highaltitude.log.20100220

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[02:07] <juxta> hey natrium42
[02:08] <natrium42> o/
[02:08] <juxta> how's things?
[02:08] <natrium42> good, how are you?
[02:09] <juxta> not too bad
[02:09] <juxta> trying to work out how to use smash in eagle
[02:09] <juxta> no matter how many times I smash this part, I can't move the text labels :(
[02:10] <natrium42> hmm, is origins layer turned on?
[02:12] <juxta> natrium42: yeah, it is
[02:12] <juxta> I click on the part and it says 'SV1 smashed'
[02:12] <juxta> but the individual components dont get the little origin X's showing up
[02:13] <juxta> there's only the one X which will select the whole part (including text labels)
[02:13] <natrium42> weird, is it just one part in particular?
[02:14] <natrium42> you can't move text that is not >NAME or >VALUE, afaik
[02:14] <natrium42> that may be why
[02:14] <juxta> ahh
[02:15] <juxta> I'm trying to remove the pin numbers on a double header
[02:15] <natrium42> you have to modify the part for that, don't know a different way
[02:15] <juxta> (of the electronics components variety... ;p)
[02:16] <juxta> natrium42: i'll just do it as 2 SIL rows and put them next to one another I guess
[02:17] <juxta> btw - can you suggest any fab houses natrium42? I'm looking at using batchpcb at the moment
[02:19] <natrium42> i ordered from them once, took a bit to get it
[02:19] <natrium42> http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/index.php?title=Opensourcepcb
[02:20] <natrium42> this one looks interesting, i am planning to try them next time
[02:20] <natrium42> also, this is useful --> http://www.ladyada.net/library/pcb/costcalc.html
[02:23] <natrium42> usually my quantities are high, so i order from gold phoenix (the company that batchpcb uses)
[02:25] <juxta> natrium42: yeah goldpheonix looks good, but I only want a single baord for now, hehe
[02:28] <juxta> natrium42: do seeedstudio give you a rebate on all boards open sourced? or do they have to feel it's a useful product?
[02:28] <natrium42> not sure
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[03:47] <juxta> hey natrium42, you still about?
[04:06] <natrium42> juxta, sup?
[04:12] <juxta> natrium42: finished up the board design, want to see it? :)
[04:13] <natrium42> cool, sure
[04:13] <juxta> 2 secs and i'll zip it up
[04:17] <natrium42> hmm, don't have eagle installed here, sorry
[04:18] <juxta> natrium42: no worries
[04:30] <juxta> natrium42: will you be around for bh4 tonight?
[04:31] <natrium42> unfortunately no
[04:31] <natrium42> going to be driving home (>900km)
[04:32] <juxta> oh damn
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[07:09] <rjharrison> ping juxta
[07:13] <juxta> hey rjharrison
[07:13] <juxta> I'm just looking at submitting my board to seeedstudio
[07:14] <juxta> but their pricing/general wording of their website is not very clear
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[09:02] <MikeMc68> morning
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[09:04] <hsmith> Best Wishes to Ballast Halo 4 for today's launch from Camb UK
[09:17] <rjharrison> Hi jc
[09:17] <rjharrison> Hi juxta
[09:17] <rjharrison> Ben making a few changes to the clinet for windows
[09:17] <rjharrison> being
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[09:26] <rjharrison> hehe
[09:26] <rjharrison> Moring jcoxon
[09:26] <rjharrison> Did I wake you
[09:26] <jcoxon> nope
[09:26] <rjharrison> lol
[09:26] <jcoxon> have been running errands
[09:26] <rjharrison> Perfect morning here
[09:26] <jcoxon> just been getting ballast
[09:26] <jcoxon> forecast says 3mph ground winds though with snow perhaps
[09:30] <rjharrison> jcoxon nice
[09:30] <rjharrison> well I'll have my fingers crossed for you
[09:30] <rjharrison> I'm taking the kids out this morning
[09:31] <jcoxon> okay
[09:31] <rjharrison> I have compiled up the windows verson of fldigi
[09:31] <rjharrison> dl-fldigi
[09:31] <rjharrison> Will uload to google
[09:31] <rjharrison> I'm going to fix the release too
[09:31] <jcoxon> oh okay
[09:31] <rjharrison> how about r84x
[09:31] <rjharrison> where x is experimental
[09:31] <jcoxon> yeah i often forget to change that
[09:32] <jcoxon> i haven't made any major changes so it should be pretty safe
[09:32] <rjharrison> OK
[09:32] <rjharrison> lets just make it the latest then
[09:32] <rjharrison> Nice changes BTW
[09:32] <rjharrison> Not sure of the fish icon though for websites :)
[09:33] <rjharrison> The best thing for gps position id to read a local (relative) dir for gps coords and then let users workout how to populate the local file
[09:33] <rjharrison> We will provide some ideas for different os
[09:34] <jcoxon> will chat further about it :-)
[09:34] <rjharrison> Basically take the gps deveice readiong outside of dl-fldigi
[09:34] <jcoxon> oh i see
[09:34] <rjharrison> exsp trying to support win,mac,linux ...
[09:35] <rjharrison> read coords from gps-pos.txt in the dl-fldigi directory
[09:35] <rjharrison> and then leave it to people to populate the file with the coords
[09:36] <rjharrison> format lat,long
[09:36] <jcoxon> yeah thats a good idea
[09:36] <jcoxon> perhaps provide a seperate gps program for various platforms etc
[09:36] <jcoxon> or we could look into GPSD
[09:39] <jcoxon> hmmm what jobs do i have
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[09:52] <jcoxon> morning edmoore
[09:54] <edmoore> hi
[09:59] <jcoxon> think i'm all set
[09:59] <rjharrison> ok
[10:00] <rjharrison> Is there anything you would like me to do other than be on here from say 14:30
[10:00] <jcoxon> rjharrison, can't think of anything
[10:00] <rjharrison> If you have a checklist of what you're going through could you forward it and I'll feed it to the masses whilst we wait :)
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[10:01] <jcoxon> okay will do that now
[10:01] <rjharrison> edmoore, I will try to echolink into GB3PY if you have you're radio handy that would be cool
[10:01] <rjharrison> your
[10:01] <rjharrison> loosing it
[10:15] <MikeMc68> morning
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[10:17] <jcoxon> morning MikeMc68
[10:17] <Laurenceb> hi
[10:18] <Laurenceb> hows it goingn jcoxon?
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[10:18] <jcoxon> not bad thanks Laurenceb, just preparing to go up to cambridge
[10:18] <edmoore> jcoxon: did you get me email?
[10:18] <Laurenceb> great stuff, good luck
[10:19] <jcoxon> edmoore, yes i did
[10:19] <jcoxon> i'll be there at 1300
[10:20] <jcoxon> or shall i come earlier?
[10:20] <edmoore> your call
[10:20] <edmoore> you're welcome for brunch on me though
[10:21] <jcoxon> when are you coming along?
[10:21] <jcoxon> that makes no sense - when are you planning to go?
[10:22] <edmoore> when you arrive :)
[10:22] <jcoxon> okay well i might get there at 12.30 instead
[10:22] <jcoxon> just so we don't rush before launhc
[10:22] <edmoore> i mean you could come for 12.40 and then it wouldn't eat into prep time
[10:22] <jcoxon> yeah okay, well i'll give you a call when i'm arriving
[10:23] <jcoxon> bbiab
[10:27] <jcoxon> edmoore, apparently there is a risk of snow this afternoon
[10:27] <edmoore> what japes!
[10:28] <jcoxon> 3mph winds as well :-)
[10:31] <edmoore> perfect!
[10:32] <edmoore> i will bring scales
[10:33] <jcoxon> just weighed it myself
[10:33] <jcoxon> but we should weigh again of course
[10:33] <rjharrison> what is the payload weight?
[10:33] <jcoxon> total = 1759g
[10:33] <jcoxon> including parachute, vent and ballast
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[10:36] <jcoxon> hi AMSAT_G3VZV_Gra
[10:36] <G3VZV_Graham> Hi James sorry I cannot be listening today - I hope it all goes ok - what is the wind like?
[10:37] <jcoxon> hi G3VZV_Graham , http://www.bit.ly/9kC80E
[10:37] <jcoxon> looking good
[10:37] <jcoxon> well not risky though not sure we'll get it back
[10:37] <jcoxon> depends on these ballast tanks :-D
[10:38] <G3VZV_Graham> fine..will you have launch video again?
[10:39] <jcoxon> not sure whether it will be live, but there will be a copy posted online
[10:41] <edmoore> jcoxon: i can try and set up my laptop for ustream
[10:41] <edmoore> unless neil gets there first
[10:41] <jcoxon> i'm not sure if he can stream it
[10:41] <jcoxon> his is a HD cam
[10:41] <jcoxon> if you could then that would be great
[10:43] <jcoxon> the big question is what have i forgotten to do
[10:49] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Out east rather than west this time...
[10:50] <jcoxon> thats more normal to tell the truth
[10:50] <jcoxon> its good for you
[10:50] <jcoxon> should get reception for a lot of the flight
[10:50] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. I'd wondered just how unusual last weekend's conditions were...
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[10:53] <jcoxon> one day i need to get a car charger for my radio
[10:56] <jcoxon> right just recruited a listener in the netherlands
[10:56] <jcoxon> okay time to go
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[10:57] <jcoxon> right rjharrison is now running the show - forward all questions to him - will keep you updated on twitter http://www.twitter.com/jamescoxon
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[11:21] <juxta_> hi all
[11:23] <edmoore> hi juxta_
[11:24] <juxta_> hey edmoore
[11:24] <juxta_> are you going out to the launch today?
[11:24] <edmoore> indeed - 'out to the launch' is a bit of a misnomer given it's in the field next to me :)
[11:24] <juxta_> haha
[11:25] <edmoore> have just phoned up the local ATC tower
[11:25] <juxta_> how's the weather looking?
[11:25] <edmoore> they're happy
[11:25] <juxta_> less windy than last time hopefully?
[11:25] <edmoore> great, especially compared to last weekend
[11:25] <edmoore> it's beautiful
[11:25] <edmoore> very quiet and peaceful outside - blue sky with a few fluffy clouds
[11:26] <juxta_> ah great
[11:26] <juxta_> btw I never heard anything back from Rich re the predictor, any how dev is going?
[11:26] <edmoore> will try and set up ustream for the launch with my laptop
[11:27] <edmoore> i think he's pretty busy atm with actual work
[11:27] <juxta_> ahh fair enough
[11:27] <edmoore> something about tracking bacteria swimming around with computer vision
[11:27] <juxta_> i have my flight board all ready to go edmoore
[11:27] <juxta_> I emailed seeedstudio about having it made up today
[11:28] <edmoore> also does anyone have a quick guide to setting up ustream on a macbook? I don't have many spare cycles to throw at this
[11:28] <edmoore> pics?
[11:28] <edmoore> ok awesome
[11:33] <edmoore> juxta_: I'm sorry that I look very much the worse for wear - this has been my life for the last 6 months - but can you check that you can actually see me here? http://www.ustream.tv/broadcaster/3090912
[11:33] <juxta_> haha
[11:34] <juxta_> sure, but that url asks me to login
[11:34] <edmoore> but can you see an image of me?
[11:34] <edmoore> try again infact
[11:34] <juxta_> no, just a login screen
[11:34] <juxta_> ok
[11:34] <edmoore> just re-hit the link
[11:34] <juxta_> neg, login page again
[11:35] <juxta_> let me login with googlde account
[11:35] <juxta_> sec
[11:36] <edmoore> how's about now?
[11:37] <juxta_> still asking me to login, but I'm creating an account now
[11:37] <edmoore> ok - i have to go in about three mins but see how it goes. we can retry form where I go to (churchill bar where we'll be prepping)
[11:38] <juxta_> ok
[11:38] <juxta_> I'm logged in now edmoore
[11:39] <juxta_> but your url says: We're sorry, the page you requested cannot be found.
[11:39] <edmoore> ok give it one more try
[11:39] <juxta_> :(
[11:39] <edmoore> hrm
[11:39] <edmoore> ok
[11:39] <edmoore> i will playa again once in the bar
[11:39] <edmoore> bbiab
[11:39] <juxta_> okay
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[11:52] <MikeMc68> doesn't work for me ed
[11:52] <hsmith> I cannot get ustream feed, just a log on page
[11:53] <MikeMc68> well i logged in but can't see anything
[11:53] <juxta_> yeah same here, hopefully ed will be in the bar soon
[11:54] <fsphil> what's the url?
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[11:54] <juxta_> fsphil: http://www.ustream.tv/broadcaster/3090912
[11:54] <fsphil> tnx
[11:55] <rharrison_eee> morning juxta
[11:55] <rharrison_eee> you still awake then
[11:55] <juxta_> hey rjharrison
[11:55] <rharrison_eee> juxta_ even
[11:55] <juxta_> it's only 10:30 :)
[11:55] <rharrison_eee> Oh pm ?
[11:55] <rharrison_eee> or am
[11:56] <rharrison_eee> pm
[11:56] <juxta_> PM :)
[11:56] <rharrison_eee> Well we should be launching in about 3 ours
[11:56] <rharrison_eee> I'm here to coordinate efforts
[11:56] <juxta_> ah thats not too bad then
[11:56] <juxta_> ah nice
[11:56] <juxta_> are you chasing too?
[11:56] <hsmith> ustream url still broken for me
[11:57] <rharrison_eee> I hope to be able to compile up the latest version of dl-fldigi
[11:58] <rharrison_eee> juxta_ no i'm at home coordinating the listener
[11:58] <juxta_> rharrison_eee: ah right, I see
[11:58] <juxta_> I'm watching Brit crime shows ;p
[11:58] <rharrison_eee> My job is to make sure every one who can listen isn't having problems and to resolve them if they are
[11:58] <rharrison_eee> Hehe
[11:58] <rharrison_eee> Which one?
[11:59] <juxta_> jjust watched Blue Murder
[11:59] <rharrison_eee> Ooh cool I don't know that one
[12:00] <juxta_> and Dalziel and Pascoe is on next
[12:00] <rharrison_eee> Oh I know that one
[12:00] <juxta_> actually there are a lot of British crime shows on here
[12:00] <juxta_> Silent Witness is always on
[12:00] <rharrison_eee> I'm at the ball park with the kids at moment
[12:00] <juxta_> Midsummer murders
[12:00] <rharrison_eee> like a good dad I have my laptop with me
[12:01] <juxta_> haha
[12:01] <rharrison_eee> Me and the wife really like Silent Witness
[12:01] <rharrison_eee> At a ball park
[12:01] <juxta_> yeah Silent Witness is good
[12:01] <rharrison_eee> Basically covered scaffolding for kids
[12:02] <juxta_> covered scaffolding?
[12:03] <rharrison_eee> It like scaffolding wrapped in protective material to stop the kids hurting themselves. Netting on the sides and swings etc inside
[12:04] <juxta_> ah right, so they can go play and leave you to play with the laptop ;p
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[12:06] <rharrison_eee> http://www.escapeplay.co.uk/playarea.jpg
[12:06] <juxta_> hey ed
[12:06] <rharrison_eee> juxta_ yep
[12:06] <rharrison_eee> hi edmoore
[12:06] <rharrison_eee> You going to have your handheld with you?
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[12:07] <edmoore> no - ttytt i don't actuazlly know where it is
[12:07] <edmoore> why - scholink?
[12:07] <rharrison_eee> edmoore: yep
[12:08] <rharrison_eee> Thought it would be a good way to get feedback into ha
[12:08] <rharrison_eee> It's a clear but cold day here
[12:08] <rharrison_eee> I was hoping to do a teathered launch soon
[12:09] <rharrison_eee> I want some aerial shots of the local area
[12:09] <rharrison_eee> I have 400m of kite string handy just for the job
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[12:10] <rharrison_eee> Only 8 times the legal kite limit :-)
[12:10] <juxta_> hehe
[12:11] <juxta_> 400ft supposed limit for tethered balloons here
[12:12] <rharrison_eee> 1200ft I guess if I use all the string
[12:12] <rharrison_eee> A nice height for pics
[12:12] <rharrison_eee> No curvature of the earth mind you
[12:13] <juxta_> heh
[12:13] <juxta_> true that
[12:13] <juxta_> edmoore: any luck with ustream?
[12:14] <rharrison_eee> go for it edmoore
[12:14] <edmoore> juxta_: well reminded
[12:14] <rharrison_eee> That will be cool
[12:14] <rharrison_eee> A long shot from the lab
[12:14] <edmoore> sorry, my gf gave me a champagne breakfast (bday a couple of days ago) so am not as focussed as usual
[12:14] <juxta_> rharrison_eee: i think he's in the bar now
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[12:14] <rharrison_eee> edmoore: the mind boggles
[12:15] <juxta_> continuing with his breakfast by the sounds of things ;)
[12:15] <rharrison_eee> Sounds good though
[12:16] <MikeMc68> lol edmoore
[12:18] <edmoore> chaps: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ballast-halo-4-launch
[12:18] <edmoore> wireless is very slow in the bar but just confirm it workas
[12:18] <MikeMc68> I can see you Ed
[12:18] <edmoore> cool
[12:18] <juxta_> i see your mug ed
[12:19] <MikeMc68> audio too
[12:19] <edmoore> ok grand it works
[12:19] <edmoore> may go offline now then until james arrivies in about 20 mins
[12:19] <MikeMc68> nice big cuppa you have there
[12:19] <juxta_> i just see a still frame
[12:19] <juxta_> :(
[12:19] <edmoore> lots of coffee to offset fizz
[12:19] <MikeMc68> worked for me - low frame rate but audio was good
[12:20] <fsphil> hmm.. telling me it's off air
[12:20] <edmoore> yep - wifi in the bar here is very very slow, but shoudl be better at the launch site
[12:20] <edmoore> i just turned it off
[12:20] <fsphil> that would explain it :)
[12:21] <edmoore> you don't need to see me slightly grizzly and sleep-deprived visage
[12:21] <MikeMc68> I must admit it wasn't nice
[12:22] <MikeMc68> Now I must figure out how to bend the rod for the folder dipole to finish off my Yagi
[12:23] <edmoore> mdf former
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> hammer
[12:25] <MikeMc68> Need to find something tubular of diameter 35mm
[12:25] <juxta_> deodorant can :)
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> find something close, and wrap it with tape
[12:26] <MikeMc68> I don't think a deodorant can plus a hammer are a good mix
[12:27] <juxta_> haha
[12:27] <juxta_> well I was only bending coathanger wire
[12:28] <MikeMc68> I have two rods - one is solid brass the other is tubular brass
[12:28] <MikeMc68> not sure which one to use
[12:29] <MikeMc68> Aha! The metal tubes that make up my keyboard stand are exactly 35mm in diameter
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> what diameter rod
[12:29] <MikeMc68> 5mm
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> it will be lots easier to bend if you heat the affected area to dull red
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> (well - cooler than dull red really - but...)
[12:30] <MikeMc68> yeah i was thinking of doing that
[12:32] <SpeedEvil> if you have a drill, a couple of bits of wood with 6mm holes will help
[12:37] <rharrison_eee> battery is about to die in my eee
[12:37] <MikeMc68> good idea
[12:37] <rharrison_eee> Need an external psu
[12:37] <MikeMc68> damn brass is hard to cut
[12:38] <rharrison_eee> I'm thinking a nice 12v battery from maplins
[12:38] <juxta_> get some lipo's rharrison_eee :D
[12:38] <rharrison_eee> Should last a whole lot longer than the current eee
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[12:47] <SpeedEvil> rharrison_eee: a cheap UPS can work
[12:49] <rharrison_eee> yes
[12:49] <rharrison_eee> Just blagged the ball park staff to let me use their power
[12:49] <rharrison_eee> Bit cheeky but cool
[12:50] <rharrison_eee> Now to ask for the wifi password or to hack it
[12:50] <rharrison_eee> using crapy G2 connection
[12:51] <rharrison_eee> SpeedEvil: What I need is a portable psu for asus
[12:52] <rharrison_eee> Ie one that holds charge (battery)
[12:53] <juxta_> I have a 12AH 12v SLA and a DC-DC stepup
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> rharrison_eee: you also want a PSU that will stop draining the lead acid at ~11V
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> or it may damage it.
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> rharrison_eee: the trivial way is to get a car adaptor
[12:54] <juxta_> yeah thats true, I usually use mine in the car, not on the smalller battery
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> I mean - a car adaptor - and wire it to a lead-acid bat.
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[12:56] <juxta_> edmoore, any word on the prep?
[12:57] <edmoore> james ot here yet
[12:57] <edmoore> going to eat
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[13:03] <MikeMc68> brass is now officially my least favourite metal to work with
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[13:11] <rharrison_eee> I love ballparks
[13:11] <rharrison_eee> Kids ammused
[13:11] <rharrison_eee> Coffee ... bacon butties
[13:11] <rharrison_eee> milfs
[13:11] <rharrison_eee> opps
[13:12] <juxta_> what is a bacon buttie?
[13:12] <rharrison_eee> bacon sandwitch
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> milfbait. They can't resist a buttie.
[13:13] Action: rharrison_eee lols
[13:14] <juxta_> I made scones with jam and cream just now :D
[13:16] <rharrison_eee> juxta_: nice you trying to impress the lady?
[13:17] <MikeMc68> buttie = northern word for sandwich
[13:17] <rharrison_eee> just compiling the latest version of the client
[13:17] <MikeMc68> or sarnie
[13:17] <rharrison_eee> yep that too
[13:17] <MikeMc68> being a Northerner myself :)
[13:18] <rharrison_eee> snap is a local colloquialism for packed lunch
[13:18] <rharrison_eee> like scran etc ...
[13:19] <MikeMc68> What are those lines across the tracker ?
[13:20] <juxta_> heh
[13:20] <rharrison_eee> my connection is't up to running it
[13:20] <rharrison_eee> It may need clearing down from old data
[13:20] <juxta_> I wanted damper (kind of a simple bread), but I was conned into making scones instead
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[13:21] <rharrison_eee> I'm going to be back at home for 14:30 so will sort out all issues then
[13:21] <rharrison_eee> before launch
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[13:28] <juxta_> hey edmoore
[13:28] <edmoore> Ok james is here and we've had some brunch
[13:29] <edmoore> ustream to commence soon
[13:29] <rharrison_eee> Cool
[13:29] <juxta_> :)
[13:29] <rharrison_eee> Did you treat james ?
[13:29] <edmoore> yep
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[13:29] <rharrison_eee> Launch eta 15.00 ?
[13:29] <edmoore> hi Johnathan
[13:29] <edmoore> etl surely? yep 1500
[13:30] <rharrison_eee> lol yep
[13:30] <rharrison_eee> I'll be at base for 14:30 latest
[13:30] <edmoore> cool
[13:30] <edmoore> i can't do much tracking today as i have an engagement this eve but will see what I can do
[13:30] <edmoore> it's a shame as cam is an ideal place to go from
[13:31] <edmoore> to track from*
[13:32] <ProjectCirrus> which balloon is launching today?
[13:32] <edmoore> ballasthalo4
[13:32] <ProjectCirrus> how long a float are you trying for?
[13:33] <rharrison_eee> Who is going to be actively radio tracking today?
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[13:33] <juxta_> ProjectCirrus: I think ~10 hours
[13:33] <ProjectCirrus> brilliant, i hope it goes well
[13:34] <edmoore> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ballast-halo-4-launch
[13:34] <fsphil> I'm gonna try listen for a signal, but at 500km I think I'm being overly optimistic ;-)
[13:34] <rharrison_eee> wow bowled over by the response
[13:34] <edmoore> fsphil: do you have a yagi?
[13:34] <fsphil> kinda.. it's a bit homebrew
[13:34] <fsphil> three element
[13:34] <Twiner> The stream is lagging badly.
[13:35] <edmoore> it's very slow wifi
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: with a yagi, and at altitude - IIRC you're very near the horizon
[13:35] <edmoore> should be better outside
[13:35] <fsphil> I know I'm not going to be able to decode anything, I'll just be looking for the carrier
[13:35] <fsphil> ustream working
[13:35] <Twiner> But huzzah @ live cam! :D
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: do you have a ssb type reciever suitable for the freq?
[13:35] <fsphil> yea, ft-817nd
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: 500km isn't _that_ far outside the maximum range reported
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: and that was not constrained by signal - but by horizon IIRC
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> maximum range decoded OK
[13:36] <fsphil> sweet
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> IIRC someone did 350km
[13:36] <fsphil> I'll be amazed if I get anything!
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[13:37] <fsphil> I've got a bigger yagi ordered but unfornatually it didn't arrive
[13:37] <juxta_> someone did over 400km last time
[13:37] <juxta_> djellison I think
[13:38] <M0DTS> heard it over the Channel from Middlebrough last time, hoping for even better this time!
[13:38] <Randomskk> the horizon really seems to be the main limiting factor
[13:38] <Randomskk> though I'm in cambridge this time so will lose it much sooner
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: do you have a good view of the horizon - or are you built up?
[13:38] <Randomskk> BH3 drifted within a km of me :P
[13:38] <fsphil> is the dl-fldigi version mentioned at http://code.google.com/p/dl-fldigi/ still the version to use?
[13:39] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: I'm in a fairly small town but I'm on the side of a slope, got a mostly clear towards the launch site
[13:39] <rharrison_eee> fsphil: Wait till the balloon gets to about 8km you'll get something
[13:39] <fsphil> mostly clear view
[13:39] <rharrison_eee> fsphil: what os are you using
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> 30000m has a horizon of ~600km I tyhink
[13:40] <fsphil> fedora linux
[13:40] <fsphil> that version has a few compile errors
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> 20km is about 500
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> (visual horizon)
[13:40] <gb73d> i am ready
[13:41] <fsphil> I wonder if it would be possible to spot the balloon visually with a big enough telescope
[13:41] <rharrison_eee> fsphil: hopefully ./configure
[13:41] <rharrison_eee> make
[13:41] <rharrison_eee> src/fldigi is the executable
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[13:42] <rharrison_eee> 85 is the most up to date
[13:42] <MikeMc68> Get your ass out of the way of the camera !!!
[13:42] <rharrison_eee> There are a few warnings but nothing that should prevent a compile
[13:42] <allenk> There's a live feed?
[13:42] <MikeMc68> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ballast-halo-4-launch
[13:42] <M0DTS> The space station is pretty big but that is hard to follow with a telescope.. might be possible to see if it's reflective...
[13:42] <fsphil> right, will try 85
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: not easily near the horizon
[13:43] <fsphil> the balloon wouldn't be moving about as much
[13:43] <MikeMc68> You can take photographs of teh space station if you are quick enough
[13:43] Action: G3VZV_Graham reports that the webstream is fine in Vienna
[13:43] <fsphil> more air between the balloon and the ISS though
[13:44] <allenk> is there an actual balloon launch today?
[13:45] <MikeMc68> This was taken by my mate Mark with a Celestron scope - http://gallery.orpington-astronomy.org.uk/displayimage-search-0-13.html
[13:45] <MikeMc68> another - http://gallery.orpington-astronomy.org.uk/displayimage-search-0-9.html
[13:45] <MikeMc68> allenk yes there is
[13:45] <allenk> Links areborked
[13:45] <MikeMc68> at 15:00
[13:45] <allenk> 1500Z?
[13:45] <rharrison_eee> allenk: yep 15.00 UTC from cambridge
[13:46] <MikeMc68> the unstream keeps freezing
[13:46] <MikeMc68> ustream
[13:46] <allenk> Yeah
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[13:46] <allenk> what time is that EST?
[13:46] <allenk> 3pm?
[13:46] <rharrison_eee> google it
[13:46] <silidan> link?
[13:46] <allenk> Oh jesus
[13:46] <allenk> Google a time
[13:47] <silidan> no i mean link to the current topic... i dont know what it is !
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[13:47] <rharrison_eee> Balloon launch Camb,UK
[13:48] <allenk> Oh, in UK
[13:48] <allenk> Fail
[13:48] <djellison> Has JC made it thru the traffic yet?
[13:48] <MikeMc68> Where r u allenk ?
[13:48] <rharrison_eee> allenk: 'fraid so
[13:48] <MikeMc68> JC is sat in a room with the payload on his lap
[13:48] <rharrison_eee> allenk: USA I would guess
[13:48] <MikeMc68> I am lookign at him now on ustream
[13:48] <rharrison_eee> lol
[13:49] <rharrison_eee> right I'm rounding the kids up and heading for home
[13:49] <MikeMc68> Looks like a cafe or something
[13:49] <rharrison_eee> see you all in a bit
[13:49] <MikeMc68> Good luck
[13:49] <rharrison_eee> bar at camb
[13:49] <MikeMc68> use a cattle prod
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[13:49] <rharrison_eee> I need one
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[13:49] <allenk> MikeMc68: New York
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[13:51] <juxta_> MikeMc68: have you used anybody for pcb prototyping before?
[13:51] <M0DTS> Which page on the site contains fldigi setup, can't seem to find it now!
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[13:51] <juxta_> M0DTS: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[13:52] <allenk> The stream is bad
[13:52] <M0DTS> thanks
[13:55] <orlok> Whens the launch?
[13:59] <edmoore> 150utc
[13:59] <gb73d> 1500 gmt
[13:59] <edmoore> 1hr
[14:00] <orlok> ahh
[14:00] <allenk> is it going to be on the live cam feed?
[14:00] <orlok> will probably be asleep
[14:00] <orlok> its sunday here
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> 3560s
[14:00] <orlok> damn suburnia,telescope didnt pick up anything
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[14:02] <fsphil> what are the dl-client options for this launch?
[14:02] <allenk> shortwave radio
[14:03] <edmoore> ok we've just double-checked the ascent rate calculations
[14:03] <edmoore> going to aim for 2.25m/s ascent (ish)
[14:03] <edmoore> to get to about 25km by sunset
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[14:03] <allenk> How high are you going?
[14:03] <edmoore> T-minus 55 mins
[14:04] <edmoore> aiming to be at 25km by sunset
[14:04] <edmoore> then it's up to the ballasting system
[14:04] <allenk> wont it pop?
[14:04] <edmoore> not until 35km
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> Does it dump if it drops this time?
[14:04] <edmoore> but it has a small leak valve so may float
[14:04] <allenk> Send it into orbit!
[14:05] <H__> heh :)
[14:05] <edmoore> if i could ask someone else to take over question answering as I now need to go and sort helium and so on
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[14:05] <allenk> Get it to like 15,000MPH
[14:05] <juxta_> hey orlok, where abouts are you?
[14:05] <allenk> Is the live feed going to have a live cam from the balloon?
[14:05] <LazyLeopard> allenk: No.
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> no
[14:05] <D_F_G3VZV_Gra> ed looks good on the stream:)
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> live cams from balloon is problematic
[14:06] <allenk> fail
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> and not easily legal
[14:06] <allenk> how about photos sent down?
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> The balloon datarate is 50 bits a second
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> so no.
[14:06] <juxta_> bacl soon
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> it's recovered and any pics offloaded then
[14:06] <juxta_> being told off re antisocisl etc
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> wave
[14:06] <edmoore> thanks graham!
[14:07] <edmoore> i will email you later btw
[14:07] <allenk> no like, live SSTV images? :P
[14:07] <D_F_G3VZV_Gra> ed roger
[14:08] <allenk> where we can decode them from around the world before it gets up to ionosphere
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> allenk: In the UK - very little is legal to transmit airborne.
[14:08] <edmoore> allenk: 10mW power limit
[14:08] <edmoore> sstv is tough over several hundred km with 10mW
[14:08] <allenk> wow
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> Even if you've got a ham license.
[14:08] <allenk> I'd say screw em
[14:09] Nick change: D_F_G3VZV_Gra -> OE_G3VZV_Graham
[14:09] <allenk> Space isn't theirs
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> And 'screw em' doesn't much help if you are doing an activity wehich the government of your country has chosen to regulate.
[14:10] <edmoore> ethanol loaded
[14:10] <allenk> SCrew Em
[14:10] <OE_G3VZV_Graham> ITU rules cover space out to the orbit of the moon...get beyond that and yes you can do whatever you want to:)
[14:10] <allenk> Uhm
[14:10] <allenk> that's ridiculous
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> And claiming it's ridiculous doesn't change the law.
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[14:11] <allenk> It's a bogus law
[14:11] <H__> who's ITU again ?
[14:11] <allenk> My life goal is to now send a ballon up into space with 500kW of radio power
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> you cannot send a balloon into space.
[14:11] <orlok> juxta_: australia
[14:11] <allenk> a metal balloon
[14:11] <allenk> I don't know
[14:12] <allenk> I'm just bullshitting
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> allenk: in space htere is no air.
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> Hence no lift
[14:12] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: that's not to say you couldn't do it, of course, you'd just require some alternative method of propulsion :P
[14:12] <gb73d> were still fighting the hun in 1944 here, can't have evry tom dick and harry sending up balloons and operating from spitfires
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> Randomskk: well - yes.
[14:12] <gb73d> got the war to consider allenk
[14:13] <allenk> SpeedEvil: Plutonium
[14:13] <fsphil> right, fldigi is running I think - had to hack it a bit to get it to compile thouhg
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[14:13] <gb73d> hi pjm !
[14:13] <gb73d> its on again
[14:13] <OE_G3VZV_Graham> a metal balloon full of a vacuum is not new http://www.russia-ic.com/people/education_science/t/92/
[14:13] <pjm__> ah hello, fancy seeing u in here
[14:14] <gb73d> my 435 mhz gp is not being made till tomoz so using 446mhz gp
[14:14] <allenk> Ustream sucks
[14:14] <edmoore> just heading outside for gps lock
[14:14] <orlok> Randomskk: infinitely tough and hard surface in a hollow sphere, now remove all of the air from inside it
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[14:14] <SpeedEvil> allenk: So start a better video streaming service.
[14:14] <allenk> SpeedEvil: justin.tv
[14:14] <fsphil> if you can stream theora, I've got an icecast server doing nothing right now
[14:15] <rjharrison> hi all back at base]
[14:15] <lnkz> hello guys, linkz S/E France
[14:15] <allenk> seriously, ustream is down
[14:15] <allenk> actually, it's just extremely slow
[14:15] <allenk> and laggy
[14:15] <allenk> and the video is about 1 frame per minute :P
[14:16] <fsphil> whoops, wrong coordinates - I'm in the north sea
[14:16] <allenk> I'm gonna try to hear it form new york
[14:16] <allenk> :P
[14:16] <allenk> not possible :(
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> Not without a big tower.
[14:17] <rjharrison> HI ALL
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> HI!
[14:17] <rjharrison> ANYONE ON gb3PY
[14:17] <fsphil> I wonder, two balloons at 30km - how far apart could they be and still see eachother?
[14:17] <allenk> SpeedEvil: A big tower wouldn't even matter
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> allenk: Sure it would >50000km, and you should have line-of-sight.
[14:18] <allenk> the balloon would be out of my horizon
[14:18] <rjharrison> coods are in decimal
[14:18] <rjharrison> coordinates
[14:18] <edmoore> ok it's outside waiting for a lock
[14:18] <allenk> I can't get NOAA satellites when they're 500 miles from me
[14:18] <edmoore> when we have lock we'll head out and fill
[14:18] <allenk> And NOAA satellites are transmitting much more power
[14:18] <rjharrison> edmoore biimy looks like you're on schedule
[14:18] <allenk> What's the frequency? I'll go outside and try to pick it up?
[14:18] <rjharrison> touch wood
[14:18] <allenk> 453. ?
[14:19] <rjharrison> 434.750
[14:19] <rjharrison> 434.075
[14:19] <edmoore> 1-wire temp sensors are a bit dodgy, otherwise all telem looks good. still waiting for a gps lock
[14:19] <allenk> alright
[14:19] <Randomskk> rjharrison: I can be
[14:19] <edmoore> fsphil - we doubt you are where you say you are!
[14:19] <fsphil> what rate is the cw signal at?
[14:20] <fsphil> edmoore: forgot to put the minus in ;-)
[14:20] <fsphil> fixed now, should update shortly
[14:20] <allenk> Oh, you need SSB on 434mhz?
[14:20] <rjharrison> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:current_launch
[14:21] <fsphil> aye
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320488796177&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 - see allenk
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> err
[14:21] <lnkz> what the video stream url plz
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[14:21] <Randomskk> though I appear to be hearing silencing on GB3PY mostly, weird
[14:21] <edmoore> Inkz http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ballast-halo-4-launch
[14:21] <allenk> Nice decongestant
[14:21] <lnkz> ty
[14:21] <allenk> SpeedEvil: I don't have a SSB capable reciever that does 434Mhz
[14:22] <allenk> Only FM,AM
[14:22] <allenk> I have SSB on shortwave =\
[14:22] <fsphil> it's a shame HF can't be used on the balloon, the range would be much better
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes and no.
[14:23] <allenk> It goes above the ionosphere?
[14:23] <allenk> So all waves would be bounced back into space?
[14:23] <rjharrison> Randomskk did you hear that
[14:23] <allenk> Amirite?
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> 500km or so range is easily possible with 10mW on 433
[14:23] <H__> how long does duch a balloon roam up there ? days ? weeks ?
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> which is really beyond the horizon for most of the time.
[14:23] <Randomskk> rjharrison: I think I caught the end of someone saying "[...] alex I didn't hear your callsign over"
[14:23] <rjharrison> 3 hrs normally
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> With a small yagi.
[14:23] <rjharrison> THis one 10 hours
[14:24] <H__> only 10 hours ?! why ?
[14:24] <Randomskk> rjharrison: I hear you
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> it bursts.
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> (normally)
[14:24] <allenk> SpeedEvil: 10mW on say 17Mhz, is a lot more range :P
[14:24] <orlok> H__: sun goes down?
[14:24] <Randomskk> however the transmitter appears to be stuck on, I am receiving silencing
[14:24] <allenk> Are they gonna show the launch?
[14:24] <rjharrison> You got your ctcss set up etc ...
[14:24] <edmoore> allenk: we will try to
[14:24] <orlok> the "let go"
[14:24] <Randomskk> rjharrison: I'm not trying to transmit
[14:24] <H__> SpeedEvil: but this one has a pressure valve, so it won't burst right ?
[14:25] <edmoore> will video it too and get it onto youtube asap
[14:25] <Randomskk> did you get that?
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> H__: it has a controlled leak
[14:25] <orlok> heh
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> H__: this may or may not be enough to stop it bursting
[14:25] <edmoore> Randomskk: what power are you keying on?
[14:25] <edmoore> keying in with*
[14:25] <orlok> "undocumented feature" "yay it has a leak it shouldent pop!"
[14:25] <fsphil> the balloon has appeared on the map :)
[14:25] <gb73d> take a carefull look at the weather at launch, it may be worth waitung 15 mins say for a lull if its bad
[14:25] <Randomskk> edmoore: 35W, normally I wouldn't be receiving atm though
[14:25] <edmoore> we saw some splurge on the spectrum here Randomskk are few seconds ago
[14:26] <edmoore> ok we have a gps loacl
[14:26] <H__> SpeedEvil: ok, assume it does not burst. then why doesn't is stay up there for days at least ?
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> H__: UV degradation
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> H__: it's basically a stretched condom.
[14:26] <allenk> awesome
[14:26] <H__> that fast ? ok
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> It's not particularly robust.
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> H__: it's at 35km (say) there is _LOTS_ more nasty UV up there
[14:26] <allenk> before you send it up
[14:26] <H__> so, one needs a thin metal shield or something
[14:26] <allenk> go OOPS, I TRIPPED
[14:27] <allenk> and switch it to like 500W
[14:27] <orlok> H__: chrome spraypaint! but the solvens would probably eat the baloon
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> H__: the balloon is on the order of 10um thick - at teh top.
[14:27] <H__> SpeedEvil: what'll be the diameter of the balloon at 35km ?
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> H__: this is obviously problematical to coat.
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> H__: IIRC 10m or so.
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> maybe 20.
[14:27] <H__> wow !
[14:27] <edmoore> guys - iphone stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/futurity#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=2279715&utm_medium=social
[14:28] <edmoore> not 20
[14:28] <H__> ok, I think I understand the issue better now :)
[14:28] <edmoore> 10 more like it
[14:28] <edmoore> ok we are moving out
[14:28] <edmoore> my stream going down for a bit
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> Good luck!
[14:28] <allenk> The iphone stream is better lol
[14:29] <orlok> some CoS protesters used a weather baloon and camera to take pics of the scientologist compund from the air
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[14:29] <H__> anyone with h-alpha solar scopes; look now. beautiful prominence
[14:29] <H__> oh, wrong channel
[14:30] Action: SpeedEvil ponders getting up and finding some binoculars and a CD.
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[14:30] <allenk> CD?
[14:30] <H__> SpeedEvil: won't work
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> diffraction grating
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> binocs work really well for projecting a big image of the sun
[14:30] <allenk> like...a CD? :P
[14:30] <allenk> Yeah, you need the Ha filter
[14:31] <H__> SpeedEvil: you need a <1a bandpass filter around the H-alpha line
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[14:31] <SpeedEvil> yeah, I know.
[14:31] <H__> iphone stream down ?
[14:32] <allenk> yes
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> H__: though you can get surprisingly narrow spectrum from the sun - doing it right with a CD.
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> H__: but not an image easily.
[14:32] <H__> SpeedEvil: have any spectral graphs of that claim ?
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> H__: binocs to make a nice near-parallel lightstream, and then extract a tiny portion of that light out onto a CD.
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> The green circle on the tracker display indicates the predicted horizon (assuming a spherical earth at sea level)
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[14:36] <rjharrison> Just going to clear down logs and trackers
[14:36] <H__> what circle where ? iphone stream is down
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[14:37] <MikeMc68> How long till launch now ?
[14:37] <rjharrison> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ballast-halo-4-launch
[14:37] <rjharrison> hum down
[14:38] <OE_G3VZV_Graham> 15:00UTC
[14:38] <MikeMc68> ok wasn't sure if it was delayed like last time or if everything was going to plan
[14:41] <allenk> none of the streams are up
[14:42] <H__> pity
[14:43] <allenk> iphone stream is up!
[14:43] <hsmith> Listening from Purley - what's the est launch time?
[14:44] <gb73d> 1500
[14:44] <allenk> nothing on 434
[14:45] <allenk> stream down again
[14:46] <MikeMc68> Allen I thought you were in the US ?
[14:46] <allenk> yes
[14:46] <MikeMc68> Then listening in might be a tad ambitous ;)
[14:47] <allenk> Well, up in the sky it might be easier
[14:47] <allenk> Not sure
[14:47] <MikeMc68> You'd have to have one heck of an antenna array
[14:47] <allenk> I know when you're streaming just data
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> allenk: you will - literally - need an antenna on top of a 50000km tower to get anything.
[14:47] <gb73d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akEgsZSfhg
[14:47] <gb73d> for the big build up !
[14:47] <MikeMc68> it's just 10mW power remember
[14:48] <MikeMc68> lol gb73d
[14:48] <allenk> I've seen a guy transmit 0.1mW over the atlantic
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> Nice blue sky.
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> allenk: not at 434
[14:48] <MikeMc68> ok well good luck :)
[14:48] <H__> much better than here
[14:48] <allenk> True, not at 434
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[14:48] <allenk> Still gonna try :P
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> Good luck.
[14:49] <rjharrison> Ok trackwers cleared down
[14:49] <allenk> Doesn't hurt to try
[14:49] <rjharrison> 12 active listeners
[14:50] <allenk> and that's when ustream sucks
[14:50] <H__> stream seems to hang
[14:51] <allenk> refresh it
[14:51] <rjharrison> http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/active_rx.php&t=p
[14:51] <H__> allenk: yes, refhresing works. scary :)
[14:52] <allenk> :P
[14:54] <allenk> inflating
[14:54] <H__> ah cool. nice sound
[14:54] <LazyLeopard> MikeMc68: You tracking?
[14:55] Nick change: Owner -> GW8RAK
[14:55] <H__> that is some balloon
[14:55] <allenk> :)
[14:55] <hsmith> any ustream feed to watch
[14:55] <allenk> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/futurity#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=2279715&utm_medium=social
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[14:56] <hsmith> that url off air
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[14:56] <rjharrison> hsmith it's down atm
[14:56] <hsmith> ok
[14:56] <H__> what's the payload ? a 10mW transmitter. anything else ?
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[14:56] Nick change: asimmons_ -> imipak
[14:56] <rjharrison> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ballast-halo-4-launch
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[14:56] <allenk> I'm guessing a camera of some sort?
[14:57] <rjharrison> 10mW ant thats your lot 434.075 rtty USB Ascii 8bit
[14:57] <rjharrison> allenk Negative
[14:57] <rjharrison> This is a ballast control experiment
[14:57] <allenk> no camera?
[14:57] <MikeMc68_Garden> Testing
[14:57] <allenk> whaaaat
[14:57] <MikeMc68_Garden> Is the ustream on the tracker page ging to be on ?
[14:58] <H__> how does the ballast control work ? is it by controlling a valve ?
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> H__: little pump
[14:58] <imipak> allenk: http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo
[14:58] <H__> is that a can of water below ?
[14:58] <MikeMc68_Garden> i'm sat in the agrden with ll of my equpent and it has just started snowing
[14:58] <allenk> Looks like it
[14:59] <rjharrison> flushed the raw data
[14:59] <LazyLeopard> Mike, it just stopped snowing here. ;)
[14:59] <H__> damn,. feed hangs again
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Looking good!
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[15:00] <MikeMc68_Garden> on and off here
[15:01] <MikeMc68_Garden> 434.075 right?
[15:01] <allenk> yeah
[15:02] <H__> well, let it go :)
[15:02] <allenk> yeah
[15:02] <allenk> let it go already :P
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> Check it works first :)
[15:03] <H__> details :-D
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[15:04] <allenk> is that duct tape I hear?
[15:04] <rjharrison> LazyLeopard I see you're bang uptodate with the software :)
[15:04] <H__> guess so
[15:04] <LazyLeopard> Yep!
[15:05] <LazyLeopard> r82 had a minor problem, so I needed to re-build fast!
[15:05] <MikeMc68_Garden> can someone give me the URL to the ustream broadcast please
[15:05] <allenk> What a horrible angle :P
[15:05] <allenk> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/futurity#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=2279715&utm_medium=social
[15:05] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php?reg=/ZZ/
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/futurity#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=2279715&utm_medium=social
[15:05] <rjharrison> The vew version puts the revision number in the indentity string
[15:06] <H__> what does such a launch cost ? (material wise)
[15:06] <allenk> Do they like, have to call to local airports?
[15:06] <MikeMc68_Garden> why is the ustream on the tracker page not working?
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> H__: of the order of 200 quid.
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[15:06] <H__> SpeedEvil: helium being the most part of that ?
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> allenk: yes - that sort of thing - there is a procedure to follow
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> H__: IIRC helium is about 20%, balloon 20% - stuff is the rest
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> ballpark
[15:07] <imipak> H__ payload's the majority of the cost
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[15:07] <juxta-> hi all
[15:07] <imipak> balloons ~£15-25 -ish
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[15:07] <juxta-> what's the current status?
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> juxta: they're holding onto it
[15:08] <rjharrison> Launch in the next 10 mins
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/futurity#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=2279715&utm_medium=social
[15:08] <rjharrison> They havn't move out onto the field yet
[15:08] <H__> heh, bleep beep
[15:09] <MikeMc68_Garden> DL Client is Atlas yes ?
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[15:09] <H__> go go go :)
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[15:10] <juxta-> yay, looked like a clean launch this time :)
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[15:10] <allenk> hey launched it already?
[15:10] <H__> yes
[15:10] <allenk> didn't see it
[15:10] <allenk> all I saw was a red flag :P
[15:10] <Jasperw> woo
[15:11] <MikeMc68_Garden> Sack the cameraman
[15:11] <allenk> There it is
[15:11] <M0VFC> 434.075 for RTTY, yes?
[15:11] <MikeMc68_Garden> Is the DL Client in fldigi set to Atlas ?
[15:11] <allenk> yes
[15:11] <H__> MikeMc68_Garden: yeah
[15:11] <MikeMc68_Garden> and shift is 350 ?
[15:12] <allenk> I swear I just saw a UFO fly by
[15:12] <MikeMc68_Garden> Helo? Mork calling Orson, come in Orson??
[15:12] <gb73d> yeah that video feed was a pice a crap
[15:12] <allenk> :P
[15:13] <allenk> What is it, NASA? :P
[15:13] <Twiner> A crap video feed is better than no video feed. :)
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> yup
[15:13] <H__> 227 euro flying away
[15:13] <MikeMc68_Garden> i'm talking to myself
[15:13] Action: SpeedEvil stabs his DSL.
[15:14] <rjharrison> 350 correct
[15:14] <MikeMc68_Garden> thanks
[15:14] <MikeMc68_Garden> not receiving anything yet
[15:14] <H__> good wiki page
[15:15] <Randomskk> can hear it :)
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> Ascent rate looks good.
[15:15] <gb73d> listening for it
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> 3 listeners.
[15:16] <LazyLeopard> Frequency? 434.0752 a good place to be?
[15:16] <Randomskk> 434.073 here
[15:16] Action: imipak missed it :(
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[15:17] <SpeedEvil> The launch is the easy part.
[15:17] <gb73d> gb73d is M1ELK nr Reading on the tracking map
[15:17] <H__> can the payload be retrieved ?
[15:17] <fsphil> no signal here yet :)
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> H__: not without a helicopter ATM.
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> Is it going through cloud ATM?
[15:19] <rjharrison> Mobile phone users may be interested in http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php?r=1882271338
[15:19] <rjharrison> Mobile phone users may be interested in http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php
[15:19] <rjharrison> even
[15:19] <Twiner> Alt: 1 km. \o/
[15:19] <MikeMc68_Garden> weird
[15:20] <gb73d> got a trace on fldigi
[15:20] <H__> wow that thing climbs fast
[15:20] <imipak> audio's fine :)
[15:20] <Randomskk> there we go
[15:20] <fsphil> surprisingly good audio actually :)
[15:20] <allenk> 3.3m/s
[15:20] <gb73d> got it coming up
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[15:20] <Randomskk> my radi ohad auto voice squelch on by accident
[15:20] <Randomskk> that fucked it up
[15:21] <Randomskk> telem coming in loud and clear over the whip
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> Is there a 'raw' data feed?
[15:21] <fsphil> damn, heard the rtty on the ustream and got excited -- thought it was coming through my radio
[15:21] <allenk> Me too
[15:21] <allenk> haha
[15:22] <junderwood_> Got a signal on 434.0751. Good packets coming any time now. Altitude 1587
[15:22] <MikeMc68_Garden> Weird
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> There we go
[15:22] <hsmith> Purley: I think I can hear it audibly in the noise background, but fldigi is not finding anything
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> 6!
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[15:24] <fsphil> iBalloon
[15:25] <fsphil> is the cw beacon working?
[15:27] Action: MikeMc68_Garden is baffled why he hasn't heard a peep so far
[15:27] <allenk> Does it show the footprint?
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> USB/LSB?
[15:28] <allenk> MikeMc68_Garden: You have it on USB?
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> allenk: uf you zoom out enoough
[15:28] <allenk> I'm totally in the footprint here in NY
[15:28] <allenk> :P
[15:28] <rjharrison> anyone got a good link and the frequency
[15:28] <hsmith> The noise in the background of my audio is blanking ability of fldigi to decode?
[15:29] <allenk> 434.075
[15:29] <G8GTZ> I can hear it in Basingstoke but no decode yet - 434.078
[15:29] <rjharrison> wow smack on freq thats a first
[15:29] <allenk> Flying over the airport, do they stop all planes from departing/arriving?
[15:30] <rjharrison> :)
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[15:30] <allenk> Does its footprint get larger as it goes higher?
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> allenk: yes
[15:31] <junderwood_> Hmmm. Last few packets have had no GPS data :-(
[15:31] <allenk> The footprint is bigger than NOAA satellite footprints now
[15:31] <G8GTZ> can you confirm settings are atlas; rtty; 50 baud; 350 split?
[15:32] <jaybro> I'm pretty new to this, what should I be listening on FM, WFM, SSB ?
[15:32] <allenk> USB
[15:32] <allenk> SSB
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[15:32] <allenk> but upper side band
[15:32] <rjharrison> USB
[15:32] <jaybro> thanks
[15:32] <MikeMc68_Garden> utterly perplexed - not a peep and yet i should hear it by now :(
[15:33] <Randomskk> gps lock appears gone
[15:33] <djellison> OK - I'm hearing it - but like the last flight I tracked, much more succesfull on LSB than USB.
[15:34] <junderwood_> I have a fair signal here (not good). Audio frequency is 434.0751 on my radio (tuned to 434.0736).
[15:34] <jonsowman> whats going on with GPS lock guys
[15:34] <junderwood_> But the last GPS lock was over 5 minutes ago
[15:34] <G8GTZ> and the settings are??
[15:34] <junderwood_> USB. RTTY. 50 baud, 8n1, 350 shift
[15:35] <MikeMc68_Garden> What freq on LSB ?
[15:35] <junderwood_> Getting nearly every packet now.
[15:35] <djellison> .07554 on LSB for me
[15:35] <allenk> It's not updating position or anything
[15:35] <allenk> or altitude
[15:36] <junderwood_> Audio is 434.0751. USB you need to tune about 1 kHz below, LSB about 1 kHz above (and reverse in fldigi)
[15:36] <djellison> No GPS lock allen, for some reason
[15:36] <MikeMc68_Garden> FFS Firefox wantng to do a restart after an update
[15:36] <djellison> No position or altitude, because it's not transmitting any
[15:36] <allenk> that sucks
[15:36] <allenk> so will it lock again?
[15:36] <gb73d> k im getting solid decode now
[15:36] <junderwood_> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/17/23/0/100/500/5*12
[15:36] <fsphil> it better ;-)
[15:37] <junderwood_> :-(
[15:37] <imipak> pardon my ignorance - no lock doesn't mean the onboard GPS isn't functioning
[15:37] <djellison> I can here the CW now
[15:37] <imipak> , just that it's not locked to GPS sats?
[15:37] <allenk> what frequency for CW?
[15:37] Action: imipak doesn't have one in his car
[15:37] <junderwood_> Could be either.
[15:37] <djellison> allenk - check the project website - all the details are there
[15:37] <djellison> No point just repeating them all here
[15:38] <allenk> Yeah there is
[15:38] <MikeMc68_Garden> LazyLeopard you can hear the RT yes ?
[15:38] <allenk> So does that mean the GPS is broken?
[15:38] <djellison> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo:ballasthalo4 - it's all there
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[15:39] <MikeMc68_Garden> i just got kciked out of IRC
[15:39] <jcoxon> hey all
[15:39] <jcoxon> seem to have lost gps lock
[15:39] <jcoxon> very strange
[15:39] <LazyLeopard> Mike, tuned to 434.0733 I'm getting lines in the waterfall, but nothing decodable.
[15:40] <MikeMc68_Garden> Audio - I can't hear it
[15:40] <djellison> ATLAS/o G@SDatA828z2 52130/0.70/2 !6/1.0/0 /!7/ #0/ 0/50/5!2 - very very garbled
[15:40] <gb73d> i am getting it ok mostly broken
[15:40] <GW8RAK> Is it permanently transmitting data or just once a minute or something similar?
[15:40] <MikeMc68_Garden> glad it's not jsut me then
[15:40] <Randomskk> jcoxon: what's th timing on the cw?
[15:40] <jcoxon> currently its in No Lock mode
[15:40] <djellison> That's better - Û¸Ý$HAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2!18/6/1.0/ /0/18/230/100/500/5*1@
[15:41] <junderwood_> data about every 20 seconds. Carrier is continuous
[15:41] <GW8RAK> Thanks
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[15:41] <MikeMc68_Garden> signal must be a lot weaker
[15:41] <gordonjcp> afternoon
[15:42] <gordonjcp> way busier in here than I remember it being ;-)
[15:42] <junderwood_> Very good signal here. About 100 miles from last lock
[15:43] <MikeMc68_Garden> switching to whip
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[15:44] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[15:45] <MikeMc68_Garden> oh dear
[15:45] <MikeMc68_Garden> altitude stuck at 2118m
[15:45] <M0DTS> Nothing heard up here yet... have we a rough position, out over sea now i guess?
[15:45] <gordonjcp> hm
[15:45] <gordonjcp> which way was it heading last?
[15:46] <M0DTS> due east i think
[15:46] <allenk> yeah
[15:46] <junderwood_> Heading slowly East.
[15:46] <allenk> gordonjcp: hear it yet?
[15:46] <junderwood_> Shouldn't be too far from Cambridge stil
[15:46] <gordonjcp> allenk: not tried
[15:46] <gb73d> yes winds were going that way
[15:46] <allenk> ah
[15:46] <gordonjcp> allenk: give me a sec while I find my BNC-to-SMA
[15:46] <edmoore> LAUNCH VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzqM8w3rlhI
[15:47] <allenk> alright :D
[15:47] <M0VFC> starting to get good signals down in Kent
[15:47] <junderwood_> Should get most of the way to Ispwich before turning back
[15:47] <allenk> edmoore: Where's the 1080p vid? :P
[15:47] <gb73d> geting complete lines
[15:47] <MikeMc68_Garden> did M0PDA just give a valid string?
[15:47] <edmoore> my iphone didn't give me the option of doing that :p
[15:48] <MikeMc68_Garden> 52ý14'56.53"N, 0ý44'52.91"E,
[15:48] <LazyLeopard> gb73d: On what frequency?
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[15:48] <jcoxon> can someone give me their lastest string
[15:49] <gordonjcp> allenk: you have to bear in mind that there's two countries worth of ISM-band clatter between me and it
[15:49] <gordonjcp> and it's so incredibly far south
[15:49] <M0VFC> AS/No GPS Data/15:2082/523130/0?{garbage afterwards}
[15:49] <junderwood_> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/18/23/0/100/500/5*1D
[15:49] <allenk> :P
[15:50] <allenk> so....it's broken?
[15:50] <jcoxon> allenk, something is broken - GPS it looks like
[15:50] <junderwood_> Guess so. No GPS data means no data for the ballast dump algorithm
[15:50] <jcoxon> even the sats aren't changing
[15:50] <jcoxon> junderwood_, unfortunately so
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> We do have lots of people with yagis.
[15:51] <allenk> so you can't do anything now?
[15:51] <gordonjcp> I have a yagi
[15:51] <jcoxon> nope, out of our control
[15:51] <allenk> basically it's just a balloon in the sky now
[15:51] <jcoxon> just have to wait and see if it fixes itself
[15:51] <allenk> :D
[15:51] <gordonjcp> I can't hear anything off it
[15:51] <jonsowman> getting very quiet here on the whip
[15:51] <jonsowman> going to try the yagi
[15:52] <jonsowman> ah thats better
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[15:52] <jonsowman> jcoxon: yagi position finding says roughly NE by E from here
[15:52] <jonsowman> we're at Selwyn
[15:53] <MikeMc68_Garden> what freq/
[15:53] <jonsowman> 434.073 for rtty
[15:54] <jcoxon> bbl
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[15:56] <MikeMc68_Garden> Does it have GPS lock jonsowman?
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[15:57] <M0VFC> MikeMc: no, no lock
[15:57] <Randomskk> no
[15:57] Action: imipak idles
[15:57] <allenk> Where's the website with current altitude and stuff?
[15:57] <blomlet_> Temp2 is the external defunkt temp device?
[15:58] <rjmunro> allenk: http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[15:58] <allenk> thanks
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[15:59] <allenk> Anyone think it could've got hit by a plane but the transmitter is still working? :P
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[15:59] <djellison> No
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> allenk: nope.
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> it would have hit the ground and gone out of range
[16:00] <gb73d> is still tx getting waeker
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[16:00] <junderwood_> jcoxon, Does the No GPS Data indicate no lock, no comms with receiver or either?
[16:00] <edmoore> CAN PEOPLE PUT RAW RECEIVED STRINGS ON HERE PLEASE
[16:00] <edmoore> thank you
[16:00] <MikeMc68_Garden> Even with no GPS lock you should still hear it
[16:00] <MikeMc68_Garden> it would just have no GPS data
[16:01] <allenk> yeah, what's the point then? :P
[16:01] <MikeMc68_Garden> but still transmit callsign, etc.
[16:01] <djellison> I can hear the CW as a weird whale noise over the top of it
[16:01] <jonsowman> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/19/22/0/98/500/5*2D
[16:01] <GW8RAK> Fldigi is displaying a faint line on the display at 434.073MHz
[16:01] <jonsowman> still got it loud and clear at Selwyn
[16:01] <edmoore> GW8RAK: just the one line?
[16:01] <junderwood_> edmoore, will e-mail everything so far
[16:01] <Randomskk> yagi direction would suggest it is E
[16:01] <MikeMc68_Garden> if you are getting it loud and clear why is the tracker not updating ?
[16:01] <Randomskk> still getting it S3 or so
[16:01] <djellison> Because there is no GPS data
[16:01] <Randomskk> MikeMc68_Garden: no GPS lock
[16:01] <jonsowman> no GPS data
[16:02] <Randomskk> it's just telling us "no gps data" over and over
[16:02] <MikeMc68_Garden> darnit
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> http://spacenear.us/tracker/data.php used to give a 'raw' feed. has this gone away?
[16:02] <GW8RAK> edmoore yes'ish. The second one is less reliable
[16:02] <edmoore> if people could also perhaps give a rough bearing (if they have directional ants) from their location that might help too
[16:02] <edmoore> we should be able to roughly keep tabs on it
[16:02] <jonsowman> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/19/22/0/98/500/5*2D
[16:02] <MikeMc68_Garden> OMG!! I can hear it !!
[16:02] <allenk> og!
[16:03] <Randomskk> edmoore: running the icom off the 3 cell lipos from my quad :D
[16:03] <allenk> batteries dead in GPS module
[16:03] <edmoore> Randomskk: so presumably you'll get about 10 mins of life :)
[16:03] <edmoore> allenk: no
[16:03] <Randomskk> we are sitting in the middle of cripps lawn
[16:03] <edmoore> common battery
[16:04] <MikeMc68_Garden> ENE
[16:04] <Randomskk> edmoore: 3Ah and 2 of them
[16:04] <edmoore> MikeMc68_Garden: what's your location?
[16:04] <MikeMc68_Garden> Orpington, Kent
[16:04] <allenk> shoudlve used duracell
[16:04] <edmoore> ok thanks
[16:04] <allenk> :P
[16:04] <edmoore> so it's getting quite far east now then
[16:04] <allenk> That's what amber lamps use
[16:04] <djellison> No Allen - they would simply freeze
[16:05] <allenk> lithium doesn't freeze?
[16:05] <djellison> They last much better at cold temperatures
[16:05] <edmoore> not at the operating temps
[16:05] <djellison> like -50degC
[16:05] <H__> brrr
[16:05] <gb73d> its weaker here
[16:05] <H__> what's the estimaed height now ?
[16:06] <gb73d> where is it anyone ?
[16:06] <rjharrison> edmoore what are you getting atm
[16:06] <rjharrison> A quick pase
[16:06] <edmoore> i am not listening
[16:06] <rjharrison> paste
[16:06] <Randomskk> edmoore: approx directly E or maybe SEE from selwyn
[16:06] <edmoore> i have to go in a bit
[16:06] <rjharrison> ok
[16:06] <rjharrison> jcoxon
[16:06] <jonsowman> edmoore: where are you
[16:06] <edmoore> chu
[16:06] <djellison> It's ESE from Leicester
[16:06] <jcoxon> yup
[16:06] <jonsowman> ok
[16:06] <rjharrison> U listening?
[16:06] <allenk> should've had a backup GPS module :P
[16:06] <gb73d> ok
[16:06] <allenk> thing is useless without GPS, amirite?
[16:07] <MikeMc68_Garden> Allen you done a launch before ?
[16:07] <djellison> It's very very fat and wide on the waterfall
[16:07] <allenk> MikeMc68: Few times, when I was a child
[16:07] <allenk> Red, green, all colors of balloons
[16:07] <allenk> they went up a little ways
[16:07] <MikeMc68_Garden> With GPS and trasnmitters I mean ?
[16:07] <bugadifino> Should've used clockwork
[16:08] <allenk> I wouldn't want to transmit in UK :P
[16:08] <allenk> bad location for a launch
[16:08] <allenk> 10mW
[16:08] <allenk> kidding?
[16:08] <djellison> 10mW works out to 400km+ for 50baud RTTY
[16:08] <allenk> I create more power than that from rubbing my feet on the rug :P
[16:08] <rjharrison> allenk we regularly get 350km out of that
[16:08] <MikeMc68_Garden> which is more than enough range for us
[16:08] <allenk> not for me :P
[16:08] <allenk> Need like 4000 miles
[16:08] <bugadifino> any estimate on currrent ASL?
[16:09] <edmoore> ok so we reckon based of time and yagi data that it's just gone out over felixstowe, and is at about 9km alt
[16:09] <gb73d> eoe
[16:09] <gb73d> wow
[16:09] <edmoore> ?
[16:09] <edmoore> oh
[16:09] <djellison> It's very loud from ehre - but the waterfall is very 'soft' and wide, and FLDIGI just isn't pulling the packets out of it
[16:09] <gb73d> is fading here so that estimate might be right
[16:10] <gb73d> Reading <berks
[16:10] <M0VFC> and getting stronger down here (Kent), so agreed
[16:10] <M0VFC> (also just put up the 40' mast, which helped by a few dB)
[16:11] <junderwood_> Getting weaker in Bicester but I have the CW interferring
[16:11] <M0VFC> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1./0/0/19/21/0/)8/500/5*2E
[16:11] <M0VFC> junderwood_: interesting - no sign of the CW beacon here
[16:11] <MikeMc68_Garden> seems to have swung further north for me - comes and goes too
[16:11] <Randomskk> i can't hear the cw
[16:11] <junderwood_> I have a dumb radio!
[16:11] <jonsowman> n$$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/19/21/0/98/500/5*2E
[16:11] <Randomskk> rtty still S3 or so
[16:11] <junderwood_> decodes both sidebands!
[16:12] <djellison> Does UKHAS have a golden cock award. No wonder I was struggling - FLDIGI was on built in mic, not line in :)
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> djellison: Genius.
[16:12] <edmoore> :p
[16:12] <djellison> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/19/21/0/99/500/5*2F
[16:12] <rjharrison> Just starteed to pick up data here in huddersfield
[16:12] <rjharrison> Well singnal
[16:12] <rjharrison> Signal
[16:13] <allenk> I'm hearing signal in NY, though I'm 99.9% sure it's something else
[16:13] <allenk> :P
[16:14] <djellison> What are the strings after the Alt James?
[16:15] <MikeMc68_Garden> lol
[16:15] <djellison> We can probably infer altitude from tempteratures from BH3 if the design is similar.
[16:15] <MikeMc68_Garden> what's the IRC command to mute someone again?
[16:15] <jcoxon> alt/num of sats/ ascent rate/ at_float/ float_time/ pump temp/ gpstemp/ external temp (broken)/ ballast left/ ballastmode
[16:15] <djellison> I was wondering that Mike
[16:16] <g4dpz> being heard in the west midlands
[16:16] <djellison> Thanks James
[16:17] <djellison> Is the BH4 design ROUGHLY the same thermally as BH3?
[16:17] <MikeMc68_Garden> brb got to pick up my suit from the dry cleaners
[16:17] <djellison> In terms of GPS ant exposure?
[16:17] <junderwood_> Signal getting stronger again in Bicester. Either it's gone up quite a bit or it's heading west
[16:17] <rjharrison> Can someone give a feq update
[16:18] <junderwood_> audio on 434075.6
[16:18] <gb73d> us still weak here in Reading
[16:18] <djellison> .07325 working fine here
[16:18] <M0VFC> 434.073.8
[16:18] <allenk> should've put a cheap camera in it and had it transmit via sstv down :P
[16:18] <Randomskk> still decoding here in cambs but signal is off the S meter
[16:19] <Randomskk> also again no gps
[16:19] <allenk> You could see where it is
[16:19] <wilbert> Hear a RTTY signal near Rotterdam, NL
[16:19] <djellison> Just watched the launch video, you lucky buggers - STUNNING launch weather
[16:20] <edmoore> very nice weather yep
[16:20] <djellison> What sort of bearing Wilbert? You're the best bet for triangulating a bit
[16:20] <ProjectCirrus> :) i was thinking the same thing mike
[16:21] <ProjectCirrus> as was I mike
[16:21] <edmoore> wilbert: yes please - can you provide a bearing?
[16:21] <wilbert> West, will try to target...
[16:21] <ProjectCirrus> as was I mike
[16:21] <jcoxon> djellison, its better
[16:22] <wilbert> circa 265 degrees, just a bit south of west, JO21FX
[16:22] <g4dpz> due east from west midlands
[16:23] <djellison> Well - looked like a comparatively steady 120m/min to start with - but it looked like it might have been the beginning of a drop off already looking at the spacenear tracker
[16:24] <LazyLeopard> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/18/19/0/100/500/5*14
[16:24] <g4dpz> too low on the horizon to get an elevation :-(
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[16:25] <jcoxon> okay i'm going to drive home
[16:25] <jcoxon> bbl
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[16:25] <djellison> ANyone else got a feint doppler-shiting like trace on FLDIGI?
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[16:25] <djellison> shifting even.
[16:26] <M0DTS> Just started to receive carrier here in Teesside
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[16:27] <hsmith> Not decoded a single strong here in Purley
[16:27] <M0DTS> ~145deg is heading.
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[16:32] <djellison> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/18/17/0/98/500/5*2A
[16:32] <gb73d> ATLAS/No!GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0&1718/2118&6/1.0/ /0/18/17/0/9¼‚‚xªR’ÿ
[16:32] <junderwood_> Appears to be due east from Bicester still
[16:32] <gb73d> frm Reading
[16:33] <g4dpz> no change in heading from halesowen
[16:33] <djellison> Now I'm not winning the golden cock and asking FLDIGI to listen using my Mac's Mic... I can have headphones in the 817 so I don't get RTTY headache from listening to it!
[16:34] <G3VZV_Graham> Dave - it must be trying to get away from you:)
[16:35] <g4dpz> hi graham
[16:36] <gb73d> Seems its got a bit louder in Reading
[16:36] <MikeMc68_Garden> i can't hear it anymore in Kent
[16:36] <rjmunro> Can people with Yagi's post decimal lat, lon and direction? I'm going to try to keep track & hopefully build a KML file.
[16:36] <MikeMc68_Garden> oh hang on - yes i can - very weak though
[16:37] <g4dpz> 52.4670 -2.022 due east
[16:37] <jonsowman> can no longer hear it from Selwyn
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[16:37] <gb73d> ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1./2/`-J2CÐ*ŠµÃ
[16:37] <djellison> 52.6009 -1.1457 117deg
[16:37] <LazyLeopard> I can just hear it, but havn't decoded a string since $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/18/18/0/100/500/5*15 nearly 10 minutes back.
[16:37] <gb73d> where is Selwyn ?
[16:37] <djellison> Loud and clear still
[16:37] <djellison> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/18/16/0/97/500/5*24
[16:38] <Randomskk> gb73d: cambridge
[16:38] <gb73d> ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/18/16/0/100/500/5*1B
[16:38] <Randomskk> it was directly east within about 30 degrees last we heard
[16:38] <gb73d> bit stronger in Reading
[16:38] <MikeMc68_Garden> too weak to decode for me
[16:38] <gb73d> k
[16:38] <junderwood_> Getting much weaker in Bicester
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[16:40] <gb73d> is that 2118 altitude in ft or m ?
[16:40] <edmoore> m
[16:40] <gb73d> ty
[16:40] <junderwood_> It's also over an hour out of date
[16:40] <edmoore> suspect it's at about 14km now
[16:40] <edmoore> right bbiab
[16:40] <jonsowman> ok
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[16:41] <MikeMc68_Garden> Dead NE - very weak - and must be far off as my Yagi is practically horizontal
[16:41] <F4EIR> prepare to keep time when audio will change or be with lost of QSB
[16:41] <edmoore|away> try pointing it up a bit
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[16:41] <rjharrison> anyone still getting clear data
[16:42] <edmoore|away> i would have thought it might be heading southish towards you
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[16:42] <edmoore|away> based on preds
[16:42] <djellison> Perfectly clear data here
[16:42] <djellison> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/18/15/0/100/500/5*18
[16:42] <gb73d> ellison where r u ?
[16:42] <MikeMc68_Garden> makes it worse
[16:42] <edmoore|away> ok
[16:42] <edmoore|away> vertical polarisation?
[16:42] <rjharrison> djellison whats your callsign
[16:43] <djellison> M6DGE
[16:43] <gb73d> has faded a bit in Reading
[16:43] <gb73d> mine is M1ELK
[16:43] <djellison> FLDIGI Operator is fully filled out
[16:44] <wilbert> A fellow amateur heard the balloon in JO22DB, exactly west.
[16:44] <g4dpz> about 95 degrees now
[16:44] <gb73d> whats the location bext estimate atm ?
[16:45] <djellison> I feel so sorry for James - BH5 here we come.
[16:45] <g4dpz> getting weaker
[16:45] <gb73d> were tracking it with yagis
[16:46] <MikeMc68> i'm inside with a warm cuppa now
[16:46] <wilbert> signal is getting stronger here near Rotterdam
[16:46] <M0DTS> i make it about 330hz shift.. no decode yet but close!
[16:46] <MikeMc68> It's obviously over the channel by now
[16:46] <gb73d> ah Rotterdam
[16:46] <gb73d> whats the estimated altitude ?
[16:46] <wilbert> Any idea about the position of the balloon now?
[16:47] <gb73d> whats the estimated location anyoone ?
[16:47] <gb73d> when u say its getting stronger please gove your location
[16:47] <gb73d> give
[16:47] <MikeMc68> Snowing again
[16:48] <gb73d> people w yagis give bearing and location
[16:48] <gb73d> were tracking it in here now
[16:48] <wilbert> location is near Rotterdam, JO21FX, getting stronger, will try to give bearing
[16:48] <djellison> I gave my location earlier - Leicester, UK. Still clear on my Yagi - still 120 degrees
[16:48] <MikeMc68> you can see peoples location on the list
[16:48] <gb73d> weak in Reading
[16:48] <junderwood_> I'm losing it here in Bicester. If it's still going east (and it appears to be) it must still be <20 km
[16:48] <junderwood_> otherwise the wind would carry it back towards the UK
[16:49] <djellison> Going for a Yagi sweep - see if it's moving bearing
[16:49] <gb73d> Is fading up and down here Reading
[16:49] <gb73d> yeah
[16:49] <g4dpz> back to due east from 52.4670 -2.022
[16:49] <M0VFC> still strong in Kent (JO01)
[16:49] <wilbert> bearing 260-270 hear in JO21FX
[16:50] <MikeMc68> wonder why it can't get GPS lock
[16:50] <junderwood_> broken antenna. Broken wire between antenna and flight computer.
[16:51] <gb73d> ok Rotterdam see that line
[16:51] <gb73d> ne i else got a bearing
[16:51] <M0VFC> aha! just found a 12-ele yagi in Dad's garage!
[16:51] <M0VFC> give me a couple of mins :-)
[16:51] <H__> hey, it's floating towards me then
[16:51] <MikeMc68> is it 433MHz ?
[16:51] <M0VFC> yup
[16:51] <djellison> Certainly getting weaker - Still 120deg from Leicester, UK
[16:51] <MikeMc68> it's over Europe now
[16:52] <djellison> 434.0743 for me at the moment
[16:52] <gb73d> dpz give qth in words
[16:52] <gb73d> looking for a rought idea
[16:52] <g4dpz> io83xl / halesowen
[16:52] <gb73d> 120 fro lecicester
[16:52] <g4dpz> io82, sorry
[16:52] <MikeMc68> can a few guys with Yagi's use triangulation to get an estimated position?
[16:53] <djellison> That's what we're trying
[16:53] <gb73d> could be over the channel
[16:53] <gb73d> 120 from leicster , 260 from rotterdam
[16:54] <gb73d> wheres halesowen ?
[16:54] <MikeMc68> Which outs it somewhere near Margate
[16:55] <g4dpz> west midlands 7m due east of brum
[16:55] <gb73d> k
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[16:57] <djellison> The bearings suggest Felixstowe, but to be honest, they're almost pointing AT each other, so that's no good really
[16:57] <LazyLeopard> Being a bt slow here, but the times reported in the lines are from the GPS? (So 15:28:22 is when the GPS lost reception...)
[16:57] <MikeMc68> I guess for BH5 2 GPS units are in order
[16:57] <djellison> Yes - that would be the last valid GPS
[16:58] <junderwood_> 2xGPS, 2xComputer ...
[16:59] <MikeMc68> 1 x GPS on RTTY 1 x GPS on CW
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[17:00] <G8GTZ> still 100% decodes at about 80 degree from Basingstoke
[17:00] <MikeMc68> HSMITH you said Kent but the map puts you near Purley
[17:01] <M0DTS> no decode here, anything special settings wise for fldigi before i try mixw to decode? just decoding strings of letters at present with reasonable signal...
[17:01] <MikeMc68> Did you set the client to Atlas ?
[17:01] <fsphil> on the off chance that it makes a solid landing, are there contact details printed on the outside of the payload?
[17:01] <djellison> Current bearings - http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=
[17:01] <MikeMc68> yep
[17:01] <djellison> 110883883244727858165.0004800b111374f74dc1d
[17:01] <djellison> Always, Fsphil
[17:01] <djellison> Usually 'This is a harmless science experiment - please contact...'
[17:02] <djellison> ANy update on a bearing from Rotterdam?
[17:02] <MikeMc68> So it's somewhere over the channel
[17:03] <djellison> I'd put it half way between Felixstowe and Brugge
[17:03] <M0DTS> MikeMc68: yes.. seems i get the same with mixw too...must be too weak still.. surprising!
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[17:03] <gb73d> sri pc crashed
[17:03] <MikeMc68> yeah
[17:03] <djellison> Getting quiet - but still solid decoding. Using the same rig that worked out to 400km with BH3 :)
[17:03] <gb73d> still hearing it in Reading weak
[17:04] <MikeMc68> I don't think it's transmitting with as much strength as it should be for some reason
[17:04] <gb73d> Rotterdam how is it ?
[17:04] <gb73d> got a new bearing ?
[17:04] <MikeMc68> wonder if it got tangled up on the way up and the antenna is twisted
[17:04] <gb73d> wilbert ?
[17:04] <djellison> GPS antennae are usually just little patches, not something that would get tangled.
[17:05] <MikeMc68> are there any other listeners on the continent on here?
[17:05] <MikeMc68> I mean the radio antenna
[17:05] <MikeMc68> transmission strength seems weak
[17:05] <djellison> I'm getting it fine from Leicester
[17:06] <LazyLeopard> Best guess from what little I can hear here is it's something slightly south of east, probably...
[17:06] <djellison> ANd it'll be a good 250km from here at the moment
[17:06] <gb73d> lost it in Reading
[17:06] <djellison> What antenna you got in Reading?
[17:06] <LazyLeopard> Trouble is, that direction is woods and hill.
[17:06] <gb73d> ah is bacl
[17:06] <gb73d> nd gp
[17:06] <M0VFC> 045 degrees from JO01GI
[17:07] <MikeMc68> i have a clear view in that direction - i'll go back outside and give it another go
[17:07] <gb73d> whats that in englsih
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[17:07] <djellison> Awesome - a dramatically different grndstation to X ref from
[17:07] <M0VFC> Gillingham, Kent
[17:07] <gb73d> yeah good good
[17:07] <rjmunro> I've written a little script to turn lat,lon,direction,name,time csv files into a map to help us triangulate.
[17:07] <rjmunro> http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=http://arjam.net/bh4.kml
[17:07] <gb73d> wilbert any report ?
[17:07] <RocketBoy> im in colchester
[17:08] <RocketBoy> can take a bearing if rqd
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[17:08] <gb73d> thats the way
[17:08] <rjmunro> So far I have:
[17:08] <rjmunro> 52.4670,-2.022,E,g4dpz,16:37
[17:08] <rjmunro> 52.6009,-1.1457,117,djellison,16:38
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[17:08] <gb73d> go for it rocvket
[17:09] <djellison> 0.5341 51.3615 45 deg from M0VFC
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[17:09] <gb73d> we need new bearings and locations in plain english not locators
[17:09] <gb73d> nearest main town
[17:09] <gb73d> not villages
[17:10] <djellison> Everyone who's given a bearing has given a town, and a bearing
[17:10] <gb73d> keep em com ing
[17:10] <gb73d> send it everytime
[17:10] <rjmunro> gb73d: If you can give a lat lon, I can add it here http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=http://arjam.net/bh4.kml
[17:10] <gb73d> like the balloon wood
[17:10] <gb73d> iam m1elk on the tracker
[17:11] <gb73d> Reading
[17:11] <gb73d> eg bearinfg format report XXX degress TOWN
[17:12] <gb73d> wilbert can you give an update
[17:13] <djellison> Getting more dramatic variations on ballast level, wondering if it's getting into the jet-stream and thus getting blown about a bit
[17:13] <gb73d> we had a brg from Rotterdam a little while ago
[17:13] <gb73d> is any of the telem working ?
[17:14] <djellison> Cat now helping me track :) http://twitpic.com/14cl0k
[17:14] <djellison> Everything but time/lat/long/alt
[17:14] <djellison> So the temps
[17:14] <djellison> the ballast level etc
[17:15] <gb73d> ok ok thatll help
[17:15] <gb73d> is still audible in Reading
[17:15] <djellison> James said what they all were earlier - alt/num of sats/ ascent rate/ at_float/ float_time/ pump temp/ gpstemp/ external temp (broken)/ ballast left/ ballastmode
[17:15] <djellison> Going for another Yagi tweak to get a better bearing if I can
[17:16] <gb73d> ascent rate
[17:16] <g4dpz> still audible 95 degrees halesowen
[17:16] <rjharrison> Ok gys lets get a fix in this
[17:16] <LazyLeopard> Suddenly loud and clear again!
[17:16] <rjharrison> Ideally 3 ir more bearings
[17:16] <gb73d> is going up and down weakly here
[17:17] <M0DTS> still around 145deg from nr Middlesbrough IO94IL
[17:17] <rjharrison> LazyLeopard freq?
[17:17] <M0VFC> S1 here but on an IC-7000, which is rather stingy on its S-points
[17:17] <gb73d> OK M0
[17:17] <M0VFC> clean signal certainly
[17:17] <LazyLeopard> 434.073.39 is tuner
[17:18] <djellison> Still 120 deg from Leicester
[17:18] <jonsowman> the S-meter on the IC-7000 is calibrated for the pre-amp on
[17:18] <M0VFC> it is on
[17:18] <jonsowman> still being stingy then
[17:18] <jonsowman> ah well
[17:18] <djellison> Decoding well still here in Leic
[17:19] <gb73d> one more brg for the cocked hat
[17:19] <LazyLeopard> 434.074 tuner, giving 3581.6 and 3851.95 in fldigi
[17:19] <LazyLeopard> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/18/10/0/85/500/5*21
[17:19] <gb73d> i reckon its over east anglia
[17:20] <djellison> I only drop a packet if the boiler fires up mid-packet, at the spark ignition is radio napalm
[17:20] <gb73d> 120 leicester 145 middlesbro
[17:20] <gb73d> any more
[17:20] <LazyLeopard> Yagi's pointed about 045 from here
[17:21] <gb73d> locatuon in words Lazy ?
[17:21] <LazyLeopard> (Orpington, Kent)
[17:21] <gb73d> ty
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[17:21] <rjharrison> Where is the google triangulation toolk
[17:21] <fsphil> no sign of the signal on the waterfall here in Cookstown .. unlikely I'll get anything at this point I think
[17:21] <junderwood_> No way over East Anglia unless it's below 2km altitude. Signal here is worse than it was at loss of GPS lock
[17:21] <rjharrison> SUch an easy idea you think they would hace one
[17:22] <junderwood_> must be well over the north sea by now
[17:22] <gb73d> where is orpington ?
[17:22] <rjharrison> junderwood try angleing the whip away from the vertical
[17:22] <LazyLeopard> 51.369N 0.069E which is, apparently, JO01AI
[17:22] <g4dpz> google earth tools->ruler
[17:22] <rjharrison> Unless you on a yagi
[17:22] <junderwood_> It's a yagi!
[17:22] <gb73d> tut where is orpington ?
[17:23] <rjharrison> kent
[17:23] <allenk> GPS lock yet?
[17:23] <gb73d> where in kent
[17:23] <gb73d> bigger town
[17:23] <gb73d> near where ?
[17:23] <LazyLeopard> gb73d: position in decimal degrees above.
[17:23] <MikeMc68_Garden> pickig it up atronger now - altitude has increased and swng further north
[17:23] <gb73d> gimme the soddin name
[17:23] <LazyLeopard> Bromley, Sevenoaks, half-way between.
[17:23] <gb73d> of a place near ok
[17:23] <gb73d> sevon oaks at last
[17:24] <LazyLeopard> Biggin Hill not 3 miles away.
[17:24] <M0VFC> gb73d: Google Maps is your friend :-)
[17:24] <allenk> Heh, no GPS lock yet
[17:24] <allenk> damn
[17:24] <MikeMc68_Garden> lol
[17:24] <gb73d> seven oaks no good
[17:24] <LazyLeopard> ...and there's the map on http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/active_rx.php&t=p
[17:24] <allenk> maybe the GPS fried
[17:24] <gb73d> where is a biger town near you
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[17:25] <allenk> Anyone have a feed up with the signal?
[17:25] <allenk> Where I can listen & decode the RTTY?
[17:25] <g4dpz> may be drifting slightly north
[17:25] <gb73d> hope;less
[17:25] <gb73d> any new bearing
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[17:25] <gb73d> when had 045 from somewhere in kent
[17:25] <g4dpz> about 85 degrees halesowen
[17:25] <allenk> Get some binoculars out
[17:26] <allenk> look for it :P
[17:26] <M0VFC> gb73d: 045 in Gillingham, Kent
[17:26] <M0VFC> Near Maidstone
[17:26] <M0VFC> +/-10 degrees
[17:26] <rjmunro> rjharrison: Google triangulation toolkit here: http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=http://arjam.net/bh4.kml
[17:27] <gb73d> southend
[17:27] <edmoore> rjharrison: that is splendid work
[17:27] <gb73d> is over southend
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[17:27] <edmoore> rjmunro even, sorry
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[17:27] <rjmunro> But I need people to give lat,lon,direction,name,time
[17:28] <gb73d> well done that man
[17:28] <gb73d> its oiver southend way
[17:28] <gb73d> is it ascending ?
[17:28] <rjmunro> This is what the data looks like: http://arjam.net/bh4.csv
[17:28] <allenk> Work something out with the S meters
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> gb73d: probably, yes.
[17:28] <gb73d> has been steady here must be high up
[17:28] <rjmunro> If you can post lines to add to that file, I will add them.
[17:29] <gb73d> ok its not gone very far from Cambridge
[17:29] <allenk> do you have a position?
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> 15:30 lost lock - ish - to 17:30 = 2 hours. At 2m/s ascent - that's 7km or so alt.
[17:30] <djellison> It's either further away than that, or it's VERY low, as it's much much quieter from Leicester than it was earlier
[17:30] <gb73d> ne 1 decoded tha ascent rate parameter ?
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> err - 10
[17:30] <djellison> 14.4km at that rate
[17:30] <gb73d> thats descend
[17:30] <rjharrison> Who is m0dts
[17:30] <djellison> but it would have been slowing the ascent rate towards float, hopefully
[17:30] <M0VFC> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/18/9/0/68/500/5*1A was my last packet
[17:31] <rjharrison> I guss M0DTS are you getting a signal?
[17:31] <djellison> Just getting it here in Leic still - $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/18/9/0/87/500/5*1B
[17:32] <rjharrison> djellison hummph
[17:32] <edmoore> bearings are the current currency
[17:32] <rjharrison> Nothing here in leeds at all
[17:32] <rjharrison> :(
[17:32] <edmoore> rjmunro: perhaps sporadically repose your required data format
[17:32] <edmoore> repost*
[17:33] <gb73d> is still steady weak in Reading
[17:33] <ejcweb> What does the ballast mode number correspond to?
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> ejcweb: what the ballast is doing. But not releavant ATM as nothing will happen without GPS
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[17:35] <M0VFC> 51.3512,0.54657,075,M0VFC,1735
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[17:35] <blomlet_> SpeedEvil, Is the timestamp is extracted from the GPS signal?
[17:36] <ejcweb> SpeedEvil: I just wondered if it was relevant that the last signal with GPS data was received the first time the ballast mode changed (from 0 to 5).
[17:36] <jonsowman> guess so
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> blomlet_: I think that's a last GPS lock stamp
[17:36] <junderwood_> timestamp was the last good GPS lock (a little while ago)
[17:36] <junderwood_> I think ballast mode 5 means - lost GPS lock
[17:36] <djellison> Still decoding in Leicester. Can't get a bearing off Yagi, it's just too broad and I think trees and reflection/refraction from house are impinging on it
[17:36] <blomlet_> gotcha
[17:36] <Futurity> Hi, and GPS data since the launch?
[17:36] <ejcweb> junderwood_: Thanks.
[17:37] <gb73d> The ballon is somewhere over Southend atm
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> Futurity: it packed in shortly ater launch
[17:37] <djellison> gb73d - no, I still maintain it's too quiet fro be Southend.
[17:37] <rjharrison> http://www.directivesystems.com/DSFO432-25.htm
[17:37] <gb73d> based on yagi bearings
[17:37] <hsmith> Do we have any altitude data?
[17:38] <gb73d> loook at the bearings
[17:38] <allenk> I bet the balloon is right over cambridge
[17:38] <djellison> It's half as loud now as it was when I was listening earlier
[17:38] <junderwood_> gb73d, no way is it over Southend unless it's down at 3km
[17:38] <djellison> No offense, but the bearings are simply not accurate enough. If it was over Southend, it would be screaming thru my Yagi. It's far quieter than that here.
[17:38] <djellison> thank you junderwood
[17:38] <gb73d> the bearings do not lie
[17:38] <djellison> I'm afraid they are.
[17:38] <LazyLeopard> 51.369,0.069,060,LAZYLEOPARD,17:37
[17:39] <djellison> Fact.
[17:39] <gb73d> ty LL
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> gb73d: the bearings do not lie.
[17:39] <M0VFC> djellison: unless the antenna is faulty, leading to lower signal strength than expected
[17:39] <allenk> You should call the airport, see if they have it on radar
[17:39] <djellison> You're taking each bearing as gospel - when you need to put 20 degrees each side of it given the gain pattern of a typical yagi
[17:39] <MikeMc68> too small
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> If there is no multipath, the antenna is properly matched and there is no standingwave on the coax, ...
[17:39] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. I doubt I can get better than +/- 10 degrees to be honest, without an antenna with a nice sharp null direction...
[17:40] <allenk> MicMc68: Nope, I was in a radar unit, picked up cars from miles away
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> It's somewhat smaller than a car.
[17:40] <edmoore> and less metally
[17:40] <M0VFC> Based on the speed at which it came round from 050 to 075 here, I suspect it's not *too* far from Kent
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> Also - phoning up ATC and saying 'halp - I lost a balloon' is possibly a bad idea.
[17:40] <M0VFC> Need an Az/El rotator :-)
[17:41] <djellison> The only way it would be this quiet if it were over southend were if it were very very low. The temps are still dropping, so it's still high. Ergo - gb73d, your bearings, I'm afraid, are lying.
[17:41] <MikeMc68> then why am I not getting a strong signal? When it was over Cambridge last time I picked it up and decoded it indoors with a whip
[17:41] <rjmunro> LazyLeopard, M0VFC: thanks. Added to the map.
[17:41] <edmoore> well, temperatures dropping could be to do with the imminent sunset at altitude
[17:42] <djellison> Good call ed
[17:42] <djellison> But it's still too damn quiet
[17:42] <edmoore> and there paths are not alwats completely free and euclidean in terms of the way the radio propagates
[17:42] <gb73d> no change here
[17:42] <gb73d> is somewhere over east anglia i reckon
[17:43] <M0VFC> antenna at 40' here so at least clear(ish) of local reflections
[17:43] <edmoore> also if it's towards london, the noise floor might have risen for a lot of listeners
[17:43] <gb73d> ive got a lot of LPD qrm yes
[17:44] <edmoore> and the agc would mean simply that to you it wuld appear weaker
[17:44] <rjmunro> Anyone else got up to date lat,lon,direction,name,time for my map?
[17:44] <edmoore> yeah - some of them on the map are an hour old rjmunro
[17:44] <RocketBoy> i make it currently about 5deg N of east from CO11 1RP
[17:44] <edmoore> probably worth getting rid
[17:44] <edmoore> right gtg. good luck everyone
[17:44] <gb73d> yes excellent work all trackers
[17:45] Nick change: edmoore -> edmoore|away
[17:45] <rjmunro> RocketBoy: So that's ?,?,85,RocketBoy,17:45
[17:46] <LazyLeopard> We're getting a picture of it being somewhere around Southend???
[17:46] <RocketBoy> 51.960268,1.065560
[17:46] <gb73d> yes
[17:46] <gb73d> see that map ipswich felistoew southend ish
[17:48] <RocketBoy> sounds a fair distance - it SW of there earlier
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[17:48] <rjmunro> I've removed the older entries.
[17:49] <RocketBoy> so has swung roud toward the E
[17:49] <M0VFC> Just asked G4ERO to do a bearing from Cambridge
[17:49] <MikeMc68_Garden> i'm very dubious it's near southend
[17:49] <M0VFC> (~15 mins for him to get his mast up, though)
[17:50] <MikeMc68_Garden> for Roberts launch it was near his house up North and I picked it up from inside the house on a whip and decoded the signal successfully
[17:50] <gb73d> this is brilliant its broken but were still hearing it and tracking it
[17:50] <MikeMc68_Garden> I am now in the agrden with an 1.5m long 8 element Yagi and the sgnal is barely audible
[17:51] <rjmunro> Is this still everyone's latest bearings: http://arjam.net/bh4.csv
[17:51] <gb73d> M0DTS do you have a new bearing ?
[17:51] <M0VFC> rjmunro: yes, that's still true for me (unchanged)
[17:51] <MikeMc68_Garden> So un;ess james' payload is transmitting at a much weaker signal strength I don't think it's anywhere near Southend
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[17:52] <sbasuita> hey jcoxon, djellison has some triangulation going on: http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=http://arjam.net/bh4.kml
[17:53] <rjmunro> My source code is here if anyone is interested: http://arjam.net/bh4.py
[17:53] <sbasuita> oops
[17:53] <sbasuita> sorry its rjmunro ;P
[17:53] <jcoxon> are people getting copies?
[17:53] <G8GTZ> still about 80 degrees from Basingstoke
[17:54] <djellison> 52.6009 -1.1457 105 degrees Leicester
[17:54] <djellison> Anyone noticed the ballast level
[17:54] <gb73d> maybe North east of south end over the sea
[17:55] <jcoxon> can some on post me a string
[17:55] <M0VFC> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/21186/1.0/0-0/17/7/0/18'500/5*1C
[17:55] <gb73d> between margate felixstowe
[17:55] <djellison> Did James leave in a backup timer to dump ballast anyway?
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[17:55] <G8GTZ> and 100% decodeable with DM 780 from the Ham Radio Deluxe suite of programs but not dlfldigi which is not as good at decoding
[17:56] <jcoxon> i think i know why its broken
[17:56] <fsphil> is the signal still on 434.075
[17:56] <M0VFC> it went a little higher for me
[17:56] <M0VFC> fsphil: sorry, yes, 075 is still good though
[17:56] <M0VFC> (it had been down a bit lower than that)
[17:56] <MikeMc68_Garden> .0732 for me
[17:56] <junderwood_> jcoxon, and the reason is ....
[17:57] <jcoxon> so if you look at the data we have entered ballast mode 5
[17:57] <djellison> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/15:28:22/52.2130/0.1718/2118/6/1.0/0/0/16/5/0/23/500/5*17
[17:57] <djellison> James is cursed. That's the reason
[17:57] <jcoxon> last field
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[17:57] <jcoxon> this was because we were ascending slightly too slowly
[17:57] <jcoxon> so its turned on the pump
[17:57] <rjmunro> If there is no GPS, would the ascent rate = 0?
[17:58] <junderwood_> but the telemetry shows the ballast at 500 for at least an hour after that
[17:58] <jcoxon> which has screwed with the gps
[17:58] <gb73d> still audible and visible on fldigi no decode in Reading
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[17:58] <jcoxon> perhaps stupidly pretty much all the functions occur when we have a lock
[17:58] <MikeMc68_Garden> ok i give up
[17:58] <gb73d> im stickin withit till it dies
[17:58] <MikeMc68_Garden> thats 3 hours in the garden in sub-zero temps
[17:58] <MikeMc68_Garden> signal too weak for me
[17:58] <sbasuita> MikeMc68_WarmHouse (Y)
[17:58] <gb73d> at some point it will start to descend
[17:59] <MikeMc68_Garden> my fingers have gone numb
[17:59] <djellison> Balast mode is 500, right?
[17:59] <jcoxon> 5
[17:59] <jcoxon> its the last field
[17:59] <djellison> So what's the 500?
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[17:59] <jcoxon> thats how much ballast is left
[17:59] <jcoxon> however because we don't have a lock its not calling the function to update that
[17:59] <djellison> Hanf on then, what's the one before that?
[18:00] <jcoxon> light sensor
[18:00] <LazyLeopard> 51.369,0.069,000,LAZYLEOPARD,18:00
[18:00] <djellison> AHHH - that would explain the recent and sudden drop
[18:00] <jcoxon> so somehow the going to ballastmode 5 has screwed the gps
[18:00] <jcoxon> a reset would fix everything of course
[18:01] <MikeMc68_Garden> code should do a reset if no lock for more than 10 mins
[18:01] <M0VFC> jcoxon: I wonder for the future if it's worth having an external watchdog timer that reboots everything every 30 mins/
[18:01] <jcoxon> MikeMc68 :-)
[18:01] <LazyLeopard> That was weird. Basically got a signal when pointing at Polaris...
[18:01] <MikeMc68_Garden> aliens
[18:01] <jcoxon> M0VFC, yeah but we'd need to eeprom data etc
[18:01] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[18:02] <M0VFC> fair nuff
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[18:02] <djellison> Uplink's what we need ;)
[18:02] <jcoxon> the issue is that i've worked hard to test all this
[18:02] <jcoxon> but of course i've had to swap out the gps for fake gps
[18:03] <jcoxon> hence i guess they've never been together
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[18:03] <jcoxon> what is interesting is that the pump/pump batteries are up to something
[18:03] <jcoxon> look at their temp - temp0
[18:03] <jcoxon> its toasty in there
[18:03] <jcoxon> while the gps temp (temp1) is a bit cooler
[18:03] Action: LazyLeopard is unconvinced by his direction-finding attempts...
[18:03] <djellison> Is there a flickr of the finished payload?
[18:04] Action: MikeMc68_Garden has given up
[18:04] <M0VFC> bbl - dinner - will pop back if I hear from G4ERO in Cambs
[18:05] <Twiner> jcoxon: 16 deg?
[18:05] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:05] <Twiner> Perhaps the pump is stuck on?
[18:05] <djellison> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/4320357542/in/set-72157623226106480/ - did the pump PSU draw anything when idle?
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[18:06] <jcoxon> Twiner, i suspect that and its scewing with the GPS
[18:06] <Edmoore> Anything new?
[18:06] <Futurity> hi james
[18:07] <Futurity> Neil here
[18:07] <jcoxon> Edmoore, back in london :-)
[18:07] <Twiner> Fire up the EMP gun then, and direct it towards the balloon. :)
[18:07] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:07] <rjmunro> Anyone got any updates for: http://arjam.net/bh4.csv
[18:07] <djellison> Don't tell ed to fire up the EMP. He'll go and sodding make one
[18:07] <Twiner> :D
[18:07] <djellison> And it'll autonomously track the payload for extra friability
[18:08] <djellison> 'I need 34 discarded microwave ovens, and I need them now'
[18:08] Action: MikeMc68_Garden has just showered his MacBook in water
[18:09] <Twiner> I suspect it's just easier to implement a simple reset uplink than to develop an EMP.
[18:09] <Twiner> Mike: aouch. :7
[18:09] <Twiner> :/
[18:09] <MikeMc68_Garden> an uplink would be very difficult
[18:10] <djellison> Going for another Yagi sweep - it's getting dodgy from Leic now
[18:10] <MikeMc68_Garden> better to have an automatic reset
[18:10] <djellison> BadgerCub and Badger 2 have uplink. When Ed's not making EMP's - that's what he does.
[18:10] <djellison> 'Basher' from Oceans 11? Based entirely on Ed.
[18:10] <jcoxon> any radio operators from the netherlands here?
[18:10] <jcoxon> would be good to get an opposing bearing
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[18:11] <Futurity> video of the launch will be uploaded shortly
[18:11] <MikeMc68_Garden> it must make the payload a lot more complex and expensive though
[18:11] <Futurity> may take a while to upload
[18:11] <Futurity> did anyone here view the UStream feed?
[18:12] <djellison> Can still hear it here - but decoding getting crappy. Still on a bearing of 120-100 from Leic
[18:12] <Twiner> Futurity: Yup.
[18:12] <jonsowman> hows things going?
[18:12] <G8DSU> Yes, Ustream feed was great!
[18:12] <M0VFC> OK, new bearing from cambs
[18:12] <Futurity> cool
[18:13] <Futurity> good to hear
[18:13] <jonsowman> heard from james?
[18:13] <M0VFC> 52.37225,0.25406,105 degrees,G4ERO,1810
[18:13] <Futurity> I'll try and do it again next time
[18:13] <Futurity> was the audio clear?
[18:13] Action: M0VFC gone back to dinner...
[18:14] <M0VFC> (don't know sig strength on that last I'm afraid)
[18:14] <jonsowman> any ideas on what the problem withthe gps is?
[18:14] <Twiner> Futurity: Indeed, great sound. The framing and amount of shakycam could be better, though. ;)
[18:14] <Futurity> lol, I was more focused on the HD camera framing and focusing
[18:15] <Futurity> the UStream was an after thought
[18:15] <Futurity> was amazed it even worked
[18:15] <Twiner> Heh. Commentary was also golden! :D
[18:15] <Futurity> lol
[18:15] <rjmunro> M0VFC: Thanks for that. Added to the map.
[18:15] <jcoxon> anyone got a string for me
[18:15] <jcoxon> ?
[18:15] <jcoxon> do you mind pasting them into #highaltitude99
[18:15] <jcoxon> there is potentially interesting data
[18:16] <Futurity> James, is there a map of its estimated location?
[18:16] <rjmunro> Futurity: http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=http://arjam.net/bh4.kml
[18:16] <gb73d> looking at the trace the rtty tones shift has narrowed
[18:16] <allenk> GPS yet?
[18:16] <rjharrison> hey jcoxon
[18:16] <jonsowman> jcoxon: any idea on what went wrong?
[18:17] <rjharrison> Back home?
[18:17] <jcoxon> jonsowman, pump is screwing with GPS
[18:17] <jcoxon> rjharrison, yup
[18:18] <djellison> I can still hear it - just
[18:18] <blomlet_> Do the pump and electronics share the same battery?
[18:18] <MikeMc68_Garden> add in an auto reset every 30 mins
[18:18] <MikeMc68_Garden> on all systems
[18:18] <rjmunro> MikeMc68_Garden: Then it would loose track of how much ballast has been dumped.
[18:19] <jcoxon> blomlet_, no
[18:19] <MikeMc68> No - write to an SD card or something and pick up where it left off
[18:19] <rjharrison> No chance of the pump dying and the GPS awakening
[18:19] <gb73d> signal is weak with LPD qrm in Reading
[18:20] <sbasuita> rjmunro, i think the ballast level is ascertained by a sensor
[18:20] <sbasuita> rjharrison, or that was tested
[18:20] <rjmunro> sbasuita: I thought they tried that and gave up on it as it was unreliable.
[18:20] <sbasuita> rjmunro,
[18:20] <gb73d> the shift has narrowed by about 20hz so its less than 350 hz
[18:20] <gb73d> no one can decode it now
[18:20] <sbasuita> rjmunro, you're probably right
[18:21] <gb73d> i reckon the colder temp had made the tx drift
[18:21] <blomlet_> If the pump is interfering with the GPS, then it may pop into life when the warm pump runs out of power
[18:21] <gb73d> has n e 1 got variable shift rtty with manual setting
[18:21] <jcoxon> gb73d, yeah thats not unusual
[18:21] <djellison> Only the carrier tone audible from Leicester now
[18:22] <gb73d> yeah in still getting a nice trace on the fldigi
[18:22] <jcoxon> from the bearings map if you ignore rocketboy's bearing it has a sensible point
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[18:22] <djellison> So I'd put it at 350-400km, from Leic, on a bearing of 90-120
[18:23] <gb73d> over where roughly ?
[18:23] <gb73d> the foot print must be 300 miles atleast
[18:23] <MikeMc68> middle of the channel
[18:23] <jcoxon> gb73d, http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=http://arjam.net/bh4.kml
[18:23] <gb73d> teah
[18:23] <gb73d> yes
[18:23] <jcoxon> has anyone asked on #hamradio for a dutch ham?
[18:23] <gb73d> going to europe for its hols
[18:24] <gb73d> wilbert was ij rotterdam
[18:24] <RocketBoy> 51.960268,1.065560 bearing 90
[18:24] <djellison> Dutch, German, And if it's not going to dump.... Polish
[18:24] Nick change: RocketBoy -> RocketBoy|Away
[18:25] <jcoxon> djellison, that path doesn't really fit hte forecast
[18:25] <djellison> Nor does the path it's taken :)
[18:25] <jcoxon> depends where it is
[18:25] <jcoxon> :-)
[18:25] <gb73d> well done who got that bearing map going just the job
[18:25] <djellison> It's on that 18km route
[18:26] <djellison> roughly
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[18:26] <djellison> The 'low-n-slow'
[18:26] <jcoxon> hmmm that suprises me to tell the truth
[18:26] <rjmunro> Anyone know the maths to finding the point of least error give a bunch of bearings?
[18:27] <rjmunro> Data is here: http://arjam.net/bh4.csv
[18:27] <jcoxon> our initial ascentrate was 2-3m\s and if we'd dropped ballast we'd go up faster not slower
[18:28] <jcoxon> anyone got a string?
[18:28] <gb73d> its rtty shift is off
[18:29] <gb73d> now less than 350 hz
[18:29] <rjmunro> Was there someone up north with a bearing earlier?
[18:29] <gb73d> undecodeable
[18:29] <rjmunro> Middlesborough?
[18:29] <gb73d> note the rtty tx shift has changed
[18:29] <gb73d> check fldidgi
[18:30] <gb73d> cannot fit lines over both tones
[18:30] <hsmith> James- feeling for you at this time .... my nephew (8) Jamie was here today, and said "It must be lonely for the lost balloon up in the dark sky"
[18:30] <rjmunro> M0DTS: Do you have a bearing?
[18:30] <gb73d> this would be ok if fl digi hd a manaul shift setting
[18:31] <jcoxon> gb73d, what freq?
[18:31] <sbasuita> gb73d, you can select one of the preset settings and as long as its reasonably close fldigi will compensate
[18:31] <MikeMc68> it does have a manual shift setting
[18:31] <rjmunro> M0DTS: You're a lot further north than anyone else, and would help the accuracy a lot.
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[18:34] <jcoxon> can i have a report of peoples freqs?
[18:35] <gb73d> 434.07582
[18:35] <jcoxon> USB?
[18:35] <gb73d> still there
[18:35] <gb73d> yes
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[18:35] <MikeMc68> 434.0732
[18:36] <gb73d> weak unreadable
[18:37] <gb73d> steady tho
[18:37] <wilbert> Still hearing balloon, but very weak, bearing about west (270 degrees), not certain
[18:37] <gb73d> ty
[18:37] <gb73d> thats 270 rotterdam
[18:37] <wilbert> right! JO21FX
[18:39] <wilbert> I think best guess is 260 degrees
[18:40] <gb73d> yes lets see
[18:40] <rjmunro> wilbert: What is your lat/lon?
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[18:40] <gb73d> its about half way to you Wilbert
[18:41] <gb73d> over the north sea
[18:41] <wilbert> A I see. Will look up my lat/lon. 260 is best signal
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[18:41] <gb73d> its been up about 3.5 hours
[18:42] <gb73d> still copying the tx in Reading
[18:42] <djellison> Nothing from Leic - so on that note, Gentlemen, it's been emotional. Good night :)
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[18:42] <wilbert> Thats quite long! I didn't expect that!
[18:43] <gb73d> does any one have an estimate for the likely altitude of the ballon atm ?
[18:44] <wilbert> long = 4.4576 degrees, lat = 51.986 degrees
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> 20-25km probably.
[18:44] <gb73d> wow the foot print must be ....
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> err - 22-27 I mean
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[18:44] <SpeedEvil> gb73d: some 400km diameter IIRC
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> gb73d: radius rather
[18:45] <gb73d> ill check
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[18:46] <gb73d> http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm
[18:46] <rjmunro> wilbert: Thanks. Added to the map: http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=http://arjam.net/bh4.kml
[18:46] <gb73d> 565 km radius
[18:46] <gb73d> most of mearby europe then
[18:46] <rjmunro> (or just http://arjam.net/bh4.kml for google earth)
[18:47] <jcoxon> would love a string if anyone had it
[18:47] <jcoxon> or even just a recording of the rtty
[18:48] <gb73d> it would be undecodeble
[18:48] <gb73d> the shift is buggered
[18:48] <gb73d> i said
[18:48] <gb73d> its not 350hz shift anymore
[18:48] <jcoxon> there are programs with variable shifts
[18:48] <gb73d> its gone less
[18:48] <gb73d> yes
[18:48] <gb73d> i have a wavecom that could do it
[18:49] <gb73d> might be a too weak tho
[18:49] <rjmunro> For some reason, http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=http://arjam.net/bh4.kml seems out of date for me, but looking at http://arjam.net/bh4.kml in Google earth is fine.
[18:49] <jcoxon> rjmunro, i think googlemaps cache kml files
[18:49] <gb73d> if it comes over Reading more will try have to faf with rigs etc
[18:49] <jcoxon> i've had this problem before
[18:49] <rjmunro> But the KML file says "update me every minute"
[18:49] <gb73d> yeah the easiest thing wiould be to mod fldidgi
[18:50] <gb73d> its only gone off about 20 hz
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> it turned on the pump - lost lock - and hasn't turned it off as it's not rising?
[18:50] <jcoxon> fldigi should easily cope with 20hz
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[18:50] <SpeedEvil> oops
[18:50] <G0MJW> Hearing here in Oxfordshire. Bit weak at the moment
[18:51] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, more that its stuck in no-lock mode - to turn the pump off would require either for it to get a lock or a reset - in hindsight an oversight but its pretty extreme
[18:51] <rjmunro> G0MJW: can you post lat,lon,direction,name,time for the map?
[18:51] <rjmunro> e.g. 51.986,4.4576,260,wilbert,18:40
[18:52] <jonsowman> hows it all going?
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[18:52] <G0MJW> Not learnt how to but 70 degrees from IO91JO
[18:52] <jcoxon> thanks G0MJW for listening out
[18:53] <M0DTS> Not a peep now i'm back.... received it for a good hour from 16:00 to 17:00 but no decode, software probs.
[18:53] <wilbert> I think bearing should be 265 now,
[18:53] <G0MJW> HI James - Mike the mad chap from RAL - Ex Surrey. Signal is up and down. Not decoding properly yet. I will keep at it
[18:54] <wilbert> 51.986,4.4576,265,wilbert.18:53
[18:54] <jcoxon> would love a string even if its not complete
[18:54] <wilbert> Is more congruent with other data
[18:54] <jcoxon> there is still some data which is beging updated
[18:54] <rjmunro> I've got to go for 40 mins, so the map won't be updated until I get back. Sorry.
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: might you get a brownout due to the pump eventually?
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[18:55] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: and a gasp of GPS as the voltage rebounds?
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> Is there a watchdong?
[18:55] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, yeah that is a possibility
[18:55] <jcoxon> no watchdog
[18:56] <LazyLeopard> Any ideas why the GPS stopped?
[18:56] <allenk> It froze in mid air
[18:56] <jcoxon> its all related to ballastmode 5
[18:56] <jcoxon> but i can't work out why
[18:58] <wilbert> How long will the balloon last?
[18:58] <jonsowman> what's ballast mode 5?
[18:58] <jcoxon> ballastmode 5 is when the ascentrate was a little low in the 1st 5000m - its was put in place for the previous weekend to avoid lowflying london
[18:58] <jcoxon> so it turned on the pump to dump 25mls
[18:59] <jcoxon> at this point gps died
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> should it have been timed?
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> timed on
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> or does it go till sensor reports lowering
[18:59] <jcoxon> we did it by number of turns of hte pump
[18:59] <fsphil> the pump might be too noisy for the gps receiver
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> but the pump should have turned off
[18:59] <jcoxon> but with out a gps lock its not going to check it
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> and the CPU clearly hasn't crashedl
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> oh
[19:00] <jcoxon> i simmed all this with fake gps but of course that had a lock
[19:00] <jcoxon> just didn't allow for this issue
[19:00] <jcoxon> fsphil, yeah and once it dies completely it might reset the gps
[19:00] <jcoxon> or that the relay is pulling to much power and brownouting the gps
[19:00] <jcoxon> but then the avr wouldn't still be running
[19:00] <G0MJW> Is it me or is the frequency drifting?
[19:01] <Futurity> launch video will have uploaded to YouTube in approx 4 minutes
[19:01] <jonsowman> what avr part is it?
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[19:01] <jonsowman> -P types can run down to about 1.8V
[19:01] <jcoxon> jonsowman, yeah true
[19:01] <jcoxon> G0MJW, it will - the sun has set and its getting cold
[19:01] <jcoxon> G0MJW, any chance of a record of a transmission
[19:01] <jcoxon> i'm quite good at getting it to decode
[19:02] <M0VFC> much weaker here now - no real decode - roughly the same bearing (075) from Gillingham, though
[19:02] <jcoxon> G0MJW, also what freq are you on?
[19:02] <jcoxon> M0VFC, freq please
[19:02] <G0MJW> It is too weak to decode. I suspect I am hearing it via aircraft scatter.
[19:02] <M0VFC> dial frequency 074.4
[19:03] <M0VFC> 075.1 actually puts it in a better bit of the passband
[19:04] <G0MJW> Mine is 076.3 but USB mode with an amind freq about 900Hz so I can hear it better.
[19:05] <gb73d> is still there weaK
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[19:05] <jcoxon> i've gone on to global tuners and am controlling a PCR-1000 in south netherlands
[19:06] <jcoxon> but the antenna is more fo HF
[19:08] <gb73d> IS GETTING WEAKER IN Reading
[19:08] <MikeMc68> well at least you can hear it which is something
[19:08] <wilbert> About same strength in Rotterdam
[19:08] <gb73d> looks likem its going your way
[19:08] <MikeMc68> James I take it that data is being stored on an SD card onboard?
[19:08] <jcoxon> MikeMc68, nah, all live
[19:08] <MikeMc68> daarn
[19:09] <jcoxon> tis a sucide mission
[19:09] <MikeMc68> Oh well
[19:09] <jcoxon> ping RocketBoy|Away
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[19:10] <G0MJW> Not hearing it any more.
[19:10] <jcoxon> hmmm i wonder if it is down
[19:10] <gb73d> definatley going down in strength in Reading
[19:10] <jcoxon> is it warbling?
[19:10] <gb73d> is more of a trace than a sound
[19:10] <gb73d> yes
[19:11] <jcoxon> hmmm sounds like a descent
[19:11] <M0VFC> still audible here
[19:11] <gb73d> still 2 tones visible v weak
[19:11] <M0VFC> no significant change recently
[19:11] <gb73d> maybe
[19:12] <jcoxon> M0VFC, any chance of a recording?
[19:12] <gb73d> wilbert is it fading ?
[19:12] <jonsowman> SpeedEvil: how dya get gnuplot to plot two lines from one data file containing 3 values per line (x y1 y2)
[19:12] <fsphil> the map updated?
[19:12] <wilbert> I think that it is about the same strength, maybe a bit weaker
[19:12] <fsphil> showing it near holland
[19:13] <wilbert> 51.986,4.4576,260,wilbert,19:13
[19:13] <SpeedEvil> jonsowman: what do you mean?
[19:13] <gb73d> wow its an incredibly weak signal now
[19:13] <gb73d> it must be descending
[19:13] <jonsowman> got a data file with X Y1 Y2 on each line
[19:13] <M0VFC> ok, now getting weaker - still visible on the waterfall, but barely audible
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> jonsowman: you mean you want to plot lines with angles going through each point?
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> :/
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[19:14] <jonsowman> one file with each line containing an x coord and two y coords
[19:14] <jonsowman> so theres two values per x coord
[19:14] <G0MJW> I could do it in Matlab but not familiar with gnuplot
[19:15] <M0VFC> frequency seems to be heading downwards too
[19:15] <SpeedEvil> jonsowman: plot "foo" using 1:2,"foo" using 1:3
[19:15] <wilbert> Looks like signal is getting weaker
[19:15] <gb73d> wilbert has it weakened with you ?
[19:15] <gb73d> yes
[19:15] <jonsowman> brilliant, ta
[19:15] <gb73d> yes it is descding
[19:15] <jcoxon> yeah its probably coming down
[19:15] <gb73d> loooks like u made be the last to hear it wilbert
[19:15] <wilbert> 51.986,4.4576,255,wilbert,19:15
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[19:16] <wilbert> No one else hearing?
[19:16] <gb73d> itrs gone here
[19:17] <jonsowman> thanks SpeedEvil
[19:17] <gb73d> trace is gone here
[19:17] <wilbert> Sound is getting lower in pitch
[19:18] <wilbert> Have to tune lower in frequency, about 0.1 KHz
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[19:18] <gb73d> maybe drift due temp changes in descent
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[19:19] <wilbert> Not sure about bearing, somewhere between 255 and 275
[19:19] <wilbert> Still hearing it quite well, although S0
[19:20] <jcoxon> wilbert, decodable?
[19:20] <gb73d> must be going down about halfway across north sea to holland
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[19:20] <dgwressell> I 'Think' I hear something, 061.25, Back of the box, but lots of clicking on top of signal
[19:20] <jcoxon> where are you dgwressell
[19:20] <jcoxon> ?
[19:20] <dgwressell> Medway Towns, Kent
[19:20] <wilbert> I'm sorry. Just got a new set, everything must be set up for RTTY. Probably too weak to decode.
[19:20] <fsphil> where's the data for the live map coming from?
[19:21] <jcoxon> crap
[19:21] <wilbert> And another 0.1 KHz down
[19:21] <jcoxon> thats real data
[19:21] <gb73d> fldigi
[19:22] <wilbert> Looks like signal is getting louder!?!
[19:22] <jcoxon> its back online
[19:22] <fsphil> still quite high up then
[19:22] <jcoxon> with a lock
[19:22] <fsphil> might just make it to land!
[19:22] <jcoxon> its descending
[19:22] <wilbert> and weaker again, and louder, QSB
[19:22] <dgwressell> lost it
[19:23] <gb73d> where r u dg ?
[19:23] <G0MJW> If you are getting QSB like that it can't be very high.
[19:23] <dgwressell> Medway Towns, North Kent
[19:23] <jcoxon> wilbert, it must be quite close to you
[19:23] <wilbert> Very loud at 250
[19:24] <gb73d> yeah ok
[19:24] <jcoxon> wilbert, any chance of a decode?
[19:24] <wilbert> Asking other amateurs to listen
[19:24] <gb73d> wilbert is it getting stronger ?
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[19:25] <gb73d> nothing hrd here in Reading
[19:25] <gb73d> only wilbert is hearing it
[19:25] <wilbert> Heard in Rijswijk, near The Hague
[19:25] <wilbert> Sorry, unable to decode/record
[19:25] <gb73d> it may be desceding toward you
[19:26] <jcoxon> landing prediction predicts landing just east of rotterdam
[19:26] <gb73d> look out for it in the street
[19:27] <wilbert> 51.986,4.4576,250,wilbert,19:27
[19:27] <gb73d> wow maybe its found a low level and is moving along
[19:27] <M0VFC> jcoxon is that landing via burst or via leaked He? (looking at the ascent rate)
[19:27] <jcoxon> wilbert, what freq?
[19:27] <gb73d> i reckon leak
[19:27] <jcoxon> M0VFC, i suspect he leak
[19:28] <gb73d> it would have sunk by now
[19:28] <M0VFC> yup
[19:28] <wilbert> 434.075,6
[19:28] <gb73d> it started decsding about 30 mins ago
[19:28] <wilbert> heard in Delft, S2
[19:28] <wilbert> on vertical at 50 meters above sealevel
[19:28] <jcoxon> wilbert, really need a decode - as its giving gps coords out
[19:29] <jcoxon> RTTY 50baud ascii-8, 350shift, no parity 1.5stop
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[19:29] <MikeMc68> Wilbert why not download dl-fldigi
[19:29] <gb73d> the gps malfunctioned
[19:29] <fsphil> it's working again
[19:29] <wilbert> losing signal...
[19:29] <gb73d> how do you knwo ?
[19:30] <jcoxon> cause someone has passed data to teh server
[19:30] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[19:30] <Randomskk> jcoxon: it recovered gps?
[19:30] <wilbert> still hearing, with QSB, getting weaker again
[19:30] <jonsowman> Randomskk: just noticed that
[19:30] <Randomskk> jonsowman: do we have a chance of decoding?
[19:30] <MikeMc68> can you not see from the logs who that was ?
[19:30] <Randomskk> it's like direct west
[19:31] <M0VFC> jcoxon: I have a recording; almost certainly too weak, but any use to you?
[19:31] <MikeMc68> ahh - G4FEV
[19:31] <jonsowman> hmm
[19:31] <Randomskk> uh
[19:31] <gb73d> i dont see anything on the tracker from the ballonn
[19:31] <Randomskk> s/west/east
[19:31] <jcoxon> M0VFC, yeah go for it
[19:31] <wilbert> Did ask on repeater for someone to decode. But to no avail
[19:31] <Randomskk> jonsowman: do we have a clear view east from your window?
[19:31] <jonsowman> not in the slightest
[19:31] <M0VFC> jcoxon: email I assume?
[19:31] <Randomskk> jonsowman: oh, really?
[19:31] <jonsowman> due to unfortunate location of walls
[19:31] <Randomskk> right
[19:31] <jcoxon> we've still got quite a while
[19:32] <Randomskk> jcoxon: any chance I could still pick it up from cambs?
[19:32] <jcoxon> at that rate of descent about an hour and a half
[19:32] <fsphil> wilbert, could you record it at all?
[19:32] <jcoxon> Randomskk, could do G4FEV is
[19:32] <MikeMc68> G4FEV : ATLAS,241,19:19:24,51.9423,3.6960,8140,6,-1.2;0;0;7;-6;0;0;-4184;0*67
[19:32] <MikeMc68> G4FEV : ATLAS,242,19:19:42,51.9412,3.7023,8116,8,-1.2;0;0;7;-7;0;0;-4184;0*65
[19:32] <MikeMc68> G4FEV : ATLAS,243,19:20:1,51.9400,3.7091,8094,6,-1.1;0;0;71;-7;0;0;-4184;0*64
[19:32] <MikeMc68> G4FEV : ATLAS,24t,19:20:19,51.9389,3.7157,8075,5,-1.1;0;8;7;-7;0;0;-4184;0*6A
[19:32] <Randomskk> jonsowman: wanna try?
[19:32] <Randomskk> we could use sean's window
[19:33] <jonsowman> mm give it a shot if you like, im going to have a shower lol
[19:33] <jcoxon> Randomskk, need data now!
[19:34] <jonsowman> Randomskk: you gonna try it? ill pop down if so
[19:34] <allenk> Did GPS comeback?
[19:34] <jcoxon> yup
[19:34] <gb73d> wilbert signal report ?
[19:35] <Randomskk> jonsowman: yes, come down
[19:35] <allenk> hey itdid
[19:35] <allenk> It's descending?
[19:35] <gb73d> who decoded the gps tho ?
[19:35] <wilbert> S0, quite weak
[19:35] <jonsowman> 2 secs
[19:35] <jcoxon> g4fev
[19:35] <gb73d> is it staying about the same ?
[19:35] <jcoxon> gb73d, can't you see it on the map?
[19:35] <gb73d> nope where is it ?
[19:35] <allenk> netherlands
[19:36] <fsphil> top right, bottom of the info box
[19:36] <gb73d> ok will look agoan
[19:36] <fsphil> nothing for a few minute now though
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[19:37] <wilbert> someone with S6 here, unable to decode
[19:37] <gb73d> am i loking at the right map spacenear ?
[19:38] <gb73d> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[19:38] <jcoxon> wilbert, can they record?
[19:38] <gb73d> is that right ?
[19:38] <fsphil> aye
[19:38] <fsphil> that's the right map
[19:38] <wilbert> Asked already
[19:38] <jcoxon> yes it works for me
[19:38] <MikeMc68> G4FEV
[19:38] <gb73d> whats the ballom symbol ?
[19:38] <gb73d> balloon
[19:38] <jcoxon> that the balloon!
[19:39] <gb73d> i cant see anything over holland
[19:39] <MikeMc68> it is just west of Westland
[19:39] <MikeMc68> refresh your page
[19:39] <allenk> total ballast left
[19:39] <allenk> -4000
[19:39] <allenk> :P
[19:39] <allenk> Is it descending?
[19:39] <MikeMc68> it's decending
[19:39] <allenk> Darn
[19:39] <wilbert> bearing 240 in Hoogmade
[19:40] <MikeMc68> Ascent rate -1.2
[19:40] <gb73d> cant see westland
[19:40] <wilbert> bearing 220 in Hoogmade, JO22ge
[19:41] <jcoxon> M0VFC, any chance you could post on #hamradio on twitter?
[19:41] <MikeMc68> Should come down somewhere on Holland
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[19:41] <jonsowman_mobile> guys whats current frequency?
[19:41] <jonsowman_mobile> trying to listen from cambs but not getting anything
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[19:41] <allenk> jonsowman_mobile: 434.075
[19:42] <gb73d> deifnatlkey cant see the ballon on the map
[19:42] <allenk> I'm pretty sure UK is pretty much out of range
[19:42] <MikeMc68> G4FEV 2010-02-20 19:34:38 52.27 -0.56 YAESU VR5000 VERTICAL 43 2010-02-20 18:56:00 Location 0
[19:42] <jcoxon> allenk, that data was from a UK based radio
[19:42] <wilbert> Sorry, no one found to record/decode
[19:42] <jonsowman_mobile> anyone got an accurate frequency?
[19:42] <MikeMc68> wilbert why can't you decode with DL-fldigi ?
[19:42] <allenk> jonsowman_mobile: that's the exact frequency
[19:43] <MikeMc68> If you have a PC and you can hear audio from the radio then you can decode
[19:43] <allenk> 434.075MHz Upper Side Band
[19:43] <jonsowman_mobile> is it actually on that frequency or is that just nominal?
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> Or even just record the audio as 'cd quality' and send it to someone
[19:44] <jcoxon> i'm not sure its on that freq
[19:44] <MikeMc68> G4FEV must have one heck of a set-up to pick up and decode that signal from near Northampton
[19:44] <gb73d> blimey yes
[19:44] <allenk> that's the only frequency it's putting out
[19:44] <MikeMc68> Can you be confident it isn't fake ?
[19:44] <gb73d> good thing the gps revived
[19:44] <wilbert> Must find a cable, very sorry
[19:45] <jonsowman_mobile> allenk: thats just nominal, tx drifts
[19:45] <fsphil> you could use a mic to record it too
[19:45] <jcoxon> wilbert, its okay :-)
[19:45] <MikeMc68> last position was 25 mins ago
[19:45] <fsphil> well, at least it's been narrowed down to a country :)
[19:46] <dgwressell> Great... when is the next ferry crossing?
[19:46] <MikeMc68> G4FEV isn't even on this channel so can you be sure it isn't fake ?
[19:46] <gb73d> wilbert has it got stronger with you ?
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[19:47] <gb73d> yeah faker19
[19:47] <jcoxon> its correct
[19:47] <wilbert> not really
[19:47] <jcoxon> i know who G4FEV is
[19:47] <gb73d> not fading out ?
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[19:48] <MikeMc68> i'd love to know what his equipment is
[19:48] <gb73d> only wilbert is hearing it and it doesnt seem to be moving
[19:48] <MikeMc68> he's only using a vertical antenna too
[19:48] <wilbert> about 230 degrees, about the same signal strength
[19:48] <Twiner> Mike: http://g4fev.atspace.com/index.htm <- He seems to know his stuff.
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[19:48] <wilbert> A lot of people on the repeater here are trying to decode/record the signal
[19:48] <gb73d> i reckon its descended to a low level and is beiong carried along by lower winds
[19:48] <wilbert> no result yet...
[19:49] <MikeMc68> has anyone on that repeater simply tried to use dl-fldigi wilbert?
[19:49] Action: Twiner applaud wilbert for his efforts.
[19:49] <Twiner> :)
[19:49] <MikeMc68> http://code.google.com/p/dl-fldigi/downloads/list
[19:49] <H__> any guesses as to where it might land ?
[19:49] <MikeMc68> Europe
[19:49] <H__> rrright
[19:50] <MikeMc68> I bet you i'm right :D
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[19:50] <wilbert> 195 degrees in Hoogmade, S6
[19:50] <jcoxon> $$ATLAS,278,19:31:6,51.9021,3.9872,730,-1.;;0;0;;q;-41<4
[19:50] <jcoxon> $$ATLAS,279,19:31:?,51.9020,3.9877,7305,8,-1.3;090;-10;0;;-t184;0*68?
[19:50] <jcoxon> $$ATLAS,280,19:31:25,51.9010,3.9960?b?bj?r????????j??????j??????R???
[19:50] <jcoxon> $ATMC?,281L?&?r????b?r????"??????
[19:51] <MikeMc68> so it's descending quite slowly
[19:51] <gb73d> yes
[19:51] <rjmunro> We have GPS back?
[19:51] <jonsowman> jcoxon: frequency?
[19:51] <gb73d> dunno where those lines came from
[19:52] <jcoxon> those are G4FEV's last data
[19:52] <gb73d> well im going by wilbert
[19:52] <gb73d> if its s6 in holland someone must decode it
[19:53] <wilbert> Found someone who is decoding, will send data. Now above Hoogvliet near Rotterdam
[19:53] <gb73d> brilliant
[19:53] <jonsowman> wilbert: fantastic
[19:54] <jonsowman> jcoxon: Randomskk and I cant hear anything from cambs
[19:54] <jonsowman> sorry
[19:54] <jcoxon> hehe G4FEV was using an 18 ele antenna
[19:54] <dgwressell> no wonder he had massive range!
[19:54] <gb73d> it said vertical
[19:55] <wilbert> Person is PD0R, Ruud. Will try to get online at this channel
[19:55] <gb73d> he'll need variable shift rtty with manual setting
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[19:56] <jcoxon> i'm just adding those latests positions
[19:56] <wilbert> still hearing balloon btw
[19:56] <gb73d> good news
[19:56] Nick change: Martin___ -> martinsweeney
[19:56] <wilbert> Now stronger in Voorburg
[19:56] <martinsweeney> busy busy!
[19:56] <SpeedEvil> For it to be going down so slowly - is it likely that the leak hole was rather too large?
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[19:57] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, could be something to do with the vent
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> And it went up not very far?
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: you think it's pumped out all the ballast?
[19:57] <wilbert> Now near Barendrecht
[19:58] <H__> if it continues like this it'll pass my house in 40 km
[19:58] <gb73d> can some one put the map display link up ?
[19:58] <martinsweeney> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[19:59] <jcoxon> estimated landing: 51.889, 4.91726
[19:59] <martinsweeney> in the pond?
[19:59] <gb73d> thx
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=barendrecht&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Barendrecht,+The+Netherlands&ei=wT6AS4LXLYLy0gT_0o3IAw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQ8gEwAA
[19:59] <wilbert> jcoxon: where are you?
[19:59] <jcoxon> wilbert, any chance of some lat / lon
[19:59] <jcoxon> wilbert, i launched it :-)
[19:59] <jonsowman> landing in a puddle
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> (the above location from jcoxon)
[19:59] <jonsowman> what a shame
[20:00] <wilbert> jcozon: PD0R is busy
[20:01] <jcoxon> okay, no problem
[20:01] <gb73d> i still cant see a balloon symbol on the map
[20:01] <gb73d> what does the ballon icon look like ?
[20:01] <martinsweeney> a balloon
[20:01] <fsphil> with a blue thing below it
[20:01] <gb73d> i have that page up and theres no sign of it
[20:01] <gb73d> ive closed down fldigi
[20:02] <MikeMc68> refresh it
[20:02] <martinsweeney> http://spacenear.us/tracker/images/markers/balloon-blue.png
[20:02] <djellison> BH4 - thy name is lazerus
[20:02] <MikeMc68> press F5
[20:02] <gb73d> ive done refrsh loads a times and ctrl f5
[20:02] <wilbert> 51.8652,4.55998
[20:02] <MikeMc68> well it's descent is very slow so the balloon is still intact
[20:02] <wilbert> now
[20:03] <martinsweeney> browser?
[20:03] <MikeMc68> so close and restart your browser
[20:03] <MikeMc68> or try a different one
[20:03] <martinsweeney> what browser are you on?
[20:03] <Laurenceb> any ballast dropped?
[20:03] <gb73d> ei7
[20:03] <wilbert> 51.8648,4.5701
[20:03] <gb73d> ie7
[20:03] <gb73d> will try firefox
[20:03] <MikeMc68> eek no wonder
[20:03] <martinsweeney> try ff or chrome
[20:03] <MikeMc68> try a decent browser
[20:04] <Laurenceb> is it still transmitting?
[20:04] <MikeMc68> shame that map is so small on the tracker page
[20:04] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, its come back online
[20:04] <Laurenceb> any ballast dropped?
[20:04] <rjharrison> what
[20:04] <gb73d> at last !!!!
[20:04] <MikeMc68> way too much space taken up by that altitude graph
[20:04] <jcoxon> when it started pumping it killed the gps
[20:04] <gb73d> soddin ie7 was hiding it !!!!
[20:05] <gb73d> cant belive that
[20:05] Action: martinsweeney can
[20:05] <fsphil> sssh.. ie7 is a bad word :)
[20:05] <rjharrison> Holy carp
[20:05] <gb73d> right thats a bad mark for ie7
[20:05] <rjharrison> crap
[20:05] <hsmith> ff rules
[20:05] <MikeMc68> as if IE7 needed anyone else to give it a bad mark
[20:05] <gb73d> refusing to dsiplay the key single icomn in the whole mission
[20:05] <wilbert> signal getting stronger in Delft
[20:05] <gb73d> its crazy
[20:05] <MikeMc68> I think your the only person on the planet using it anyway
[20:05] <gb73d> lol
[20:06] <Laurenceb> when was the last data received?
[20:06] <martinsweeney> sadly, that isn't true
[20:06] <MikeMc68> :O
[20:06] <djellison> Use Chrome... anything Google is going to work perfectly :)
[20:06] <Twiner> Oh rly.
[20:06] <djellison> Sort of ;)
[20:06] <gb73d> right mental note firefox cross checks on mission websites from now on
[20:06] <Twiner> ;)
[20:07] <rjharrison> right is it on the way down?
[20:07] <jcoxon> rjharrison, is sort of floating down
[20:07] <jcoxon> at about 1m/s
[20:07] <rjharrison> Did you pin hole it
[20:07] <Laurenceb> no updates on the tracker page :-/
[20:07] <rjharrison> Look out for the power lines then :)
[20:07] <Randomskk> no luck here unfortunately, qrt
[20:07] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, we don't have any dl-fldigi listeners
[20:08] <Laurenceb> ah
[20:08] <rjharrison> jcoxon or me can post data into the tracker
[20:08] <wilbert> above Ridderkerk now
[20:08] <Laurenceb> over the horizon?
[20:08] <allenk> It's going to land in netherlands?
[20:08] <djellison> Yes
[20:08] <jcoxon> wilbert, altitude?
[20:08] <H__> allenk: they're bombing me !
[20:08] <Futurity> Back, GPS working now?
[20:08] <rjharrison> wilbert if you are decoding can you post the data as it comes through
[20:08] <allenk> H__: z0mg!
[20:09] <jcoxon> rjharrison, wilbert is getting the data from someone else can't decode it himself
[20:09] <allenk> Is Netherlands going to take this as a terrorist attack from UK?
[20:09] <wilbert> PD0R will come online to post data
[20:09] <gb73d> thats amazing the gps coming back
[20:10] <gb73d> i told sky news about SNOX4
[20:10] <hsmith> maybe it was a temp effect
[20:10] <gb73d> but it never reached land
[20:10] <gb73d> yer
[20:10] <jcoxon> its not that cold in htere
[20:10] <jcoxon> -7
[20:10] <dgwressell> Look 0n the bright side... at least you stand a reasonable chance of getting this one back!
[20:11] <jcoxon> it was the pum; that was screwing it up
[20:11] <jcoxon> pump*
[20:11] <gb73d> well at least u know that
[20:11] <wilbert> still getting louder in Delft
[20:11] <allenk> Somebody on the website said it's going to land in holland?
[20:11] <hsmith> more shielding?
[20:11] <allenk> Is netherlands also holland? :P
[20:11] <wilbert> S9 in Hoogmade, S6 in Delft
[20:11] <Futurity> Yep
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[20:11] <rjmunro> So when the pump exhausted it's batteries, the GPS came back?
[20:11] <H__> only 2 of its provinces :-P
[20:11] <jcoxon> seems so
[20:12] <Futurity> jcoxon: do you have any listeners able to receive it still?
[20:12] <jcoxon> not in the UK
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[20:12] <jcoxon> we are getting some from the netherlands
[20:12] <djellison> Any updated latlongs
[20:12] <Futurity> great :)
[20:12] <rjmunro> I realised that my calculations for bearings on this map http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=http://arjam.net/bh4.kml were probably all wrong, because they assume the world is flat.
[20:13] <H__> pity that I cannot receive 434.075 MHz
[20:13] <jcoxon> H__, how close is it to you?
[20:13] <rjmunro> No idea how wrong, though.
[20:13] <H__> jcoxon: some 75 km now, floating in my direction
[20:13] <gb73d> coxon u crossed the channel ! congrats
[20:14] <jcoxon> oh okay - if it was to land near to you would you recover it for me :-[
[20:14] <jcoxon> that should be :-p
[20:14] <jcoxon> gb73d, this is the second time this payload has crossed the channel
[20:14] <gb73d> sri i a newbie
[20:14] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:14] <jcoxon> yeah its reused BH3
[20:14] <djellison> We're far enough from the pole, and the world flat enough, that great circle effects shouldn't be that important rj
[20:14] <H__> I can try of course, if it landed nearby
[20:14] <jcoxon> H__, thanks!
[20:14] <gb73d> nice one
[20:14] <MikeMc68> At that ascent rate it could go a lot further East before touching down
[20:15] <gb73d> yes mike
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[20:16] <rjharrison> H__ It may land in your garden
[20:16] <H__> that'd be cool :-D
[20:16] <rjmunro> So why didn't it go higher?
[20:16] <rjharrison> Humm I wonder if we can get anyone in holland to decode
[20:16] <MikeMc68|Away> that'd be a miracle
[20:16] <jcoxon> rjmunro, i'm not sure if it did
[20:16] <jcoxon> or didn't
[20:16] <jcoxon> guess we'll never know
[20:16] <wilbert> above Alblasserdam now
[20:17] <rjmunro> The prediction had it turning south if it got higher, and it didn't.
[20:17] <allenk> rjharrison: H__ is in netherlands, but I dont think he has a radio :P
[20:17] <jcoxon> rjmunro, thats very true
[20:17] <rjharrison> If the antenna is good then it's unusual for me not to get a signal here in Leeds suggesting the alt was lower than normal. ie less than 15km but we'll have to wait and see what data we get back
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[20:17] <jcoxon> rjharrison, pah, thre won't be any data!
[20:17] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,413,2Ø:13:35,51.8643,4.677Ø,3188,5,-1.9;Ø;Ø;-8;-17;Ø;3;-4258;5*7A
[20:18] <jcoxon> tis a live mission
[20:18] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,414,2Ø:13:36,51.8643,4.6771,3187,6,-1.9;Ø;Ø;Ø;-17;Ø;1;-4263;Ø*59
[20:18] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,415,2Ø:13:54,51.8644,4.6795,3156,8,-1.9;Ø;Ø;-8;-17;Ø;1;-4263;Ø*76
[20:18] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,416Ø:14:13,51.8645,4.682Ø,31Ø5,6,-2.1;Ø;Ø;-8;-17;Ø;1;-4263;Ø*72
[20:18] <djellison> AWESOME
[20:18] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,417,2Ø:14:32,51.8647,4®6845,3Ø74,8,-2.1;Ø;Ø;-8;-17;Ø;1;-4263;Ø*78
[20:18] <jcoxon> rjharrison, me first
[20:18] <rjmunro> Also, it was ascending slow enough to trigger the dump.
[20:18] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,418,2Ø:15:9,51.8649,4.6894,3ØØ1,5,-2.1;Ø;Ø;-8;-16;Ø;1;-4263;Ø*42
[20:18] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,419,2Ø:15:1Ø,=1.8649,t.2896,3ØØ1,4,-2.1;Ø;Ø;-8;-16;Ø;1;-4263;Ø*78
[20:18] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,42Ø,2Ø:15:28,51.865Ø,4.6919,2956,5,-2.Ø;Ø;Ø;-8;-16;Ø;1;-4263;Ø*7D
[20:18] <wilbert> ÿ$$ATLAS,421,2Ø:15:47,59.8651,4.6943,2919,7,-2.Ø;Ø;Ø;-8;-16;Ø;1;-4263;Ø*72
[20:18] <M0VFC> wilbert: awesome!
[20:18] <rjharrison> jcoxon you going to post this
[20:18] <jcoxon> okay iwll do
[20:18] <hsmith> WOW!
[20:18] <rjmunro> you'll need to s/Ø/0/ presumably?
[20:18] <MikeMc68|Away> wow that's suddenly a lot lower
[20:19] <rjharrison> 30 mins to impact
[20:19] <rjharrison> ~100 m/min desc
[20:19] <MikeMc68|Away> lots of water in that area
[20:20] <djellison> Quite a lot less water than the North Sea
[20:20] <rjharrison> jcoxon what would have happend to the ballast do you think?
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[20:20] <allenk> What does the ballast do?
[20:21] <dgwressell> do we have an updated prediction on touchdown location?
[20:21] <Futurity> that last reading is a big drop on the one before. half the height
[20:22] <djellison> It was also a big time gap :)
[20:22] <Futurity> true
[20:22] <rjmunro> rjharrison: AFAIK We have no reason to believe that the ballast wasn't pumped out.
[20:22] <djellison> 2m/sec - 2900m to go. 1450 seconds 24 mins
[20:23] <djellison> So touchdown at 20:40
[20:23] <Futurity> Wow its been teleported to Norway!
[20:23] <jcoxon> aaarghh rogue data
[20:23] <dgwressell> something wrong bigtime with spacenear.us/tracker... it is apparently parachuting now, just off the Norway coast!
[20:24] <H__> slight detour
[20:24] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,437,2Ø:2Ø:48,51.867Ø,4.733Ø,2339,7,-1.6;Ø;Ø;-;-16;Ø;1;-429Ø;Øø$$ATLAS,438,2Ø:29:25,51.8673,4.7375,2267,+6.Ø;Ø;Ø;-8;-6;Ø;1;-429Ø;Ø*79
[20:24] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,439,2Ø:21:26,51.8673,4.7376,2266,6,-2.Ø;Ø;Ø;-8;-16;Ø;1;-429Ø;Ø*78$$ATLAS,44Ø,2Ø:21:44,51.8674,4.7398,2238,7,-2.Ø;Ø;Ø;-8;-16;Ø;1;-429Ø;Ø*7F
[20:24] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,441,2Ø:22:3,51.8674,4.7421,2193,7,-2.Ø;Ø;Ø;-8;-16;Ø;?Ê?Ú?R¢Âþ$$ATLAS,442,2Ø:22:22,51.8675,4.7444,2143,6,-2.Ø;Ø;Ø;-8;-1Ø;3;-429Ø;5*7Ø
[20:24] <wilbert> $$ATLAS,443,2Ø:22:59,51.867v,4.7489Ø67,8,-2.2;Ø;Ø;-8;-16;Ø;3;-42=5;5*75
[20:24] <wilbert> $
[20:24] <Twiner> Great stuff, wilbert. Keep 'em coming! :D
[20:25] <djellison> Wilbert - you are a legend.
[20:25] <wilbert> :-)
[20:26] <dgwressell> not whatyou know, but who you know!
[20:26] <wilbert> Bleskensgraaf now
[20:26] <djellison> Up-range Ham radio enthusiasts are like gold-dust :0
[20:27] <ProjectCirrus> wilbert... what altitude should you be able to recieve to.. before the horizon blocks signal?
[20:27] <djellison> Looks like a lot of clear land to touch down on - north of Gorinchem, south of ...is that Leerdam... where the cheese comes from?
[20:27] <wilbert> right :-)
[20:27] <wilbert> between the cows :-)
[20:28] <wilbert> I still hear the balloon, but getting weaker. Decodings come from PD0R, near The Hague.
[20:29] <wilbert> $ÿ$$ATLAS,46Ø,2:2::1,51.8716,4.7891,145,7,-1.9;p;Ø;-8;-15;Ø;3;,4321;5ª44
[20:29] <wilbert> ATLAS,472»Ø:28:38,51.8718,4.5945,1399,8,-1.8Ø;Ø;/8;-15;8;2;-43¦?ÿÿ
[20:30] <wilbert> signal getting stronger again in Hoogmade, Voorburg
[20:30] <wilbert> and Delft S7
[20:30] <djellison> <10 mins
[20:30] <allenk> Took a big detour to norway
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[20:30] <H__> sightseeing
[20:30] <allenk> Wanted to see Deadmau5 in Oslo tonight
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[20:31] <allenk> Go get it H__ :P
[20:31] <djellison> Some tulip farmer's about to get a suprise
[20:31] <jonsowman> jcoxon: is another launch in order then>?
[20:32] <rjharrison> kid down
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:32] <allenk> someone just got a free 10mW transmitter and a GPS unit
[20:32] <wilbert> heard in car near Utrecht!
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[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[20:33] <allenk> I'd be psyched to get a free 10mW transmitter and a GPS module :P
[20:34] <dgwressell> 30dB linear, and it would make a decent 10W transmitter!
[20:35] <wilbert> signal getting weaker here and in Delft. Still being heard
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[20:36] <wilbert> our hero, Ruud is here!
[20:36] <Ruud> yeap!
[20:36] <rjharrison> Hi Ruud
[20:36] <rjharrison> Well done on the tracking
[20:36] <Ruud> hi everybody
[20:36] <Twiner> :)
[20:36] <wilbert> very weak signal now
[20:36] <Twiner> Hey Ruud.
[20:36] <Ruud> Sorry, but i can't receive it anymore ;(
[20:36] <Futurity> does it transmit at 10W
[20:36] <allenk> You guys predicted where it would go, wrong
[20:37] <allenk> :P
[20:37] <Futurity> i thought there was a very low limit?
[20:37] <allenk> 10mW
[20:37] <djellison> 10mW
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> did we have a flight today?
[20:38] <wilbert> still being heard, but very weak at most places. Antenna now facing east
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> is it still aloft?!
[20:38] <rjharrison> yep
[20:39] <M0VFC> Should be very close to being on the ground by now, by earlier estimates at least
[20:39] <H__> wilbert: you're driving towards it ?
[20:39] <wilbert> I don't receive it anymore
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[20:39] <Futurity> Sorry missed the (m)
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> COOL!
[20:39] <wilbert> M__ no
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> where is it now?
[20:39] <rjharrison> tracker
[20:39] <wilbert> Ruud, what was the last place?
[20:39] <M0VFC> Lunar_Lander: last received was 51.8716N,4.7891E
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> and which heading?
[20:40] <Ruud> Bleskensgraaf
[20:40] <M0VFC> heading pretty much due east
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
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[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> 52°N 8°E would be near me :P
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[20:43] <wilbert> no reception anymore here and by the others on the local repeater
[20:43] <jcoxon> its down now
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> so we have landing confirmed?
[20:44] <rjharrison> Ruud do you still have electricity :)
[20:44] <wilbert> Is there an address on the balloon so you can be contacted?
[20:44] <jcoxon> wilbert, yes
[20:44] <jcoxon> in english and french
[20:44] <rjharrison> Humm
[20:44] <M0VFC> Add Dutch next time :-)
[20:44] <wilbert> should be sufficient for the local people here :-)
[20:44] <rjharrison> actually jcoxon the flight must have been low to go that way IIRC
[20:44] <jcoxon> rjharrison, yeah
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> OK, I take it as landing is confirmed, jcoxon: Congratulations!
[20:45] <fsphil> Fantastic flight .. nail-biting :)
[20:45] <dgwressell> sweet!
[20:45] <rjharrison> jcoxon has made two crossings so far :)
[20:45] <hsmith> That was intense
[20:45] <Futurity> James congrates on a long flight even though it didn't go completely to plan
[20:45] <jcoxon> well the pump turned
[20:45] <rjharrison> Not quite as planned but perhaps you will get to fly the titanic once again
[20:46] <jcoxon> turned alot
[20:46] <jcoxon> pumped out an imaginary 4800ml of ballast
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> and we got 500 ml onboard?
[20:46] <H__> imaginary ?
[20:46] <jcoxon> well there was only 500mls in the tank
[20:46] <jcoxon> it must of kept pumping
[20:46] <H__> ah
[20:46] <rjharrison> Ruud we need your contact deatils for future missions if you're interested
[20:47] <Ruud> hi, yeay still be there....
[20:47] <Twiner> Hell, jcoxon, with those calulations, you should start a ethanol-biz. Destilling alcohol out of thin air! :D
[20:48] <hsmith> How will you guys hunt on it on the ground? Or wait for it to be reported?
[20:48] <rjharrison> DO you want to PM either me or jcoxon an email address and we'll give you and wilbert as shout next time we send a balloon in your direction
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> by the way
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> did the ballast system work in the way that it increased altitude?
[20:49] <jcoxon> last telemetry Ruud ?
[20:49] <rjmunro> Lunar_Lander: We don't have any idea :-)
[20:49] <Ruud> almost last: 51.8686,4.7651
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[20:50] <rjmunro> The ballast system worked in a way that meant we had no altitude readings until the ballast pump ran out of battery :-)
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:53] <jcoxon> well done team
[20:53] <jcoxon> perfect launch
[20:53] <jcoxon> some impressive tracking
[20:53] <rjharrison> well done james
[20:53] <jcoxon> thank you for all the help
[20:53] Nick change: N900evil_ -> N900evil
[20:53] <jcoxon> learnt something about pumps and gps modules
[20:54] <hsmith> Sorry we could not help from here in Purley
[20:54] <rjharrison> With a bit of luck you'll get it back
[20:54] <M0VFC> jcoxon: just thinking... I seem to remember you saying the ballast dump conditions were only evaluated when there was GPS lock - true?
[20:54] <jcoxon> yes
[20:54] <M0VFC> so if the pump running caused loss of lock, would the code ever evaluate the "I should stop pumping now" condition?
[20:55] <jcoxon> not in the code that i wrote
[20:55] <jcoxon> it didn't really occur to me
[20:55] <M0VFC> i.e. if you lose lock with the pump running, then the pump never stops...
[20:55] <jcoxon> and when ever i simulated it of course i had gps
[20:55] <M0VFC> of course
[20:55] <jcoxon> M0VFC, exactly - thats what happened
[20:55] <M0VFC> ok, good to know the cause at least :-)
[20:55] <jcoxon> i guess it must of been interference
[20:56] <jcoxon> as the flight computer carried on going
[20:56] <M0VFC> pump was on different battery pack or the same?
[20:56] <jcoxon> different
[20:56] <rjmunro> Presumably the pump kept pumping until it's (separate) batteries ran out at which point the GPS regained lock.
[20:56] <M0VFC> ok, so shouldn't be volts drop to the GPS then
[20:56] <jcoxon> yes
[20:56] <jcoxon> Futurity, link to hte launch?
[20:57] <Twiner> So, perhaps, the pump makes enough EMI for the GPS to loose lock?
[20:58] <jcoxon> Ruud, can't do DCC - PM?
[20:58] <jcoxon> Twiner, yeah something to test out i guess
[20:58] <M0VFC> So if it dumped all ballast over Cambs airport, shouldn't it have then risen rapidly and popped?
[20:58] <Ruud> I'm trying, but mcafee sits in the way....
[20:58] <M0VFC> with 500g of extra lift...
[20:59] <jcoxon> Ruud, -> #highaltitude2
[20:59] <jcoxon> please no one else follow
[20:59] <Ruud> ok
[20:59] <Twiner> The µC would then be in a indefinite loop the second the pump routine starts... Heh. A snazzy combination between a hardware and a software bug. :)
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[21:19] <H__> pity that we don't have an accurate landing location
[21:20] <jcoxon> people on the ground having a look
[21:20] <jcoxon> will look again tomorrow in the light
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:20] <rjmunro> Who?
[21:20] <jcoxon> dutch hams
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon are you in Holland now?
[21:20] <jcoxon> no
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah it just sounded like it
[21:22] <hsmith> if still transmitting, based on experience with rockets, can get a rough direction up to 1/3 mile away on 10mw unit
[21:23] <rjmunro> What is the last/best predicted landing place?
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[21:24] <rjmunro> presumably it landed with baloon still intact, so it could catch the wind and go bouncing along.
[21:25] <jcoxon> rjmunro, there is that risk
[21:27] <dgwressell> surely if someone had a laptop with RTTY on it, when they get close, it would tell you its exact location/
[21:28] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:28] <jcoxon> right food time
[21:28] <jcoxon> thanks again everyone
[21:28] <jcoxon> bbl
[21:28] <dgwressell> makes it alot easier to find"
[21:29] <dgwressell> food sounds like good plan!
[21:30] <dgwressell> right... going QRT now... good flight, and at least you can get this one back!
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[21:30] <Ruud> going away also. Thanks and until next time!
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[21:31] <gb73d> that was a good balloon flight
[21:31] <gb73d> enjoyed every minute
[21:32] <gb73d> lookin forward to the next 1
[21:32] <gb73d> see yaaaaaaaaaaaa
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[21:33] <hsmith> yes, thanks to all for letting me listen in
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[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> congrats again jcoxon
[21:39] <jonsowman> yup well done on the flight jcoxon
[21:40] <H__> yet you missed my backyard by 90 km :-D
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:43] <MikeMc68|Away> i hope it missed those power lines
[21:43] <Futurity> Byw everyone
[21:43] <jonsowman> bye Futurity
[21:43] <Futurity> HD video of the launch should be online by tomorrow
[21:44] <Futurity> i'll post details back here tomorrow
[21:44] <jonsowman> nice one
[21:44] <jonsowman> :)
[21:44] <Futurity> ttfn
[21:44] <jonsowman> cya
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[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> cool HD
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[21:49] <G3VZV_Graham> sorr what is the current situation?y - I have been off line for 4 hours
[21:50] <N900evil> down in holland.
[21:51] <N900evil> apparently something people looking
[21:51] <rjmunro> G3VZV_Graham: It took off, started pumping ballast, which caused it to loose GPS lock, causing it to carry on pumping until the pump batteries ran out.
[21:51] <rjmunro> When GPS lock was reaquired approaching holland.
[21:52] <G3VZV_Graham> ok thanks for the updates:) I hope they find it:)
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[21:56] <Laurenceb> how much current does the pump draw?
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[22:32] <jonsowman> hi fergusnoble
[22:33] Action: SpeedEvil goes to sleep - and hopes that the payload is found in the next few hours.
[22:33] <jcoxon> wonder if the balloon is still inflated a bit
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> would make it lots easier to spot in the morning
[22:34] <jcoxon> right night all
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[22:34] <SpeedEvil> I will try my hardest to ensure the balloon is found before I wake.
[22:34] Action: SpeedEvil turns off the alarm.
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> Night all.
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> night
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[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[23:14] <ProjectCirrus> night all and thanks for a very entertaining afternoon! that was nailbiting stuff!
[23:14] <fsphil> nite PC
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[23:23] <juxta_> hey rjharrison, edmoore, how did the launch go?
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[23:30] <junderwood_> juxta, Launched. Lost GPS lock at 6000 ft due to hardware problem. Three hours of trying to track it using direction finding from Yagis. Reaquired lock at 7km on the way down over Rotterdam. Landed somewhere in Holland.
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[23:33] <gordonjcp> well done, guys
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