highaltitude.log.20100219

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[00:53] <spaceman> hello everyone
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[03:21] <natrium42> o
[03:21] <natrium42> *o/
[03:24] <Twiner> \o_
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[03:56] <natrium42> hmm, i made the balloon-shadow distance change with zoom level in the tracker
[03:56] <natrium42> seems better
[04:20] <juxta> hey natrium42
[04:20] <juxta> the new icons & shadows etc look great
[04:53] <natrium42> :)
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[07:21] <jcoxon> urgh, jcoxon feels like death warmed up
[07:21] <jcoxon> wow i'm also talking in the 3rd person
[07:26] <juxta> late night jcoxon?
[07:29] <jcoxon> just a rotten cold
[07:31] <jcoxon> juxta, hows it going?
[07:31] <juxta> I'm not too bad, bad news re the cold
[07:32] <juxta> still be OK for launch tomorrow? :)
[07:34] <jcoxon> hehe i think a days rest, probably best not to spread my cold round the hospital and i'll be fine
[07:34] <jcoxon> flight path is improving for tomorrow
[07:35] <jcoxon> also ground winds have droppped a bit though there is a risk of sleet :-p
[07:35] <juxta> sleet eh
[07:35] <juxta> is that like icy rain?
[07:36] <jcoxon> yeah
[07:37] <juxta> bummer
[07:37] <jcoxon> http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/324
[07:37] <juxta> will you have anywhere sheltered to inflate this time?
[07:37] <jcoxon> oh we had snow and sleet last week
[07:37] <jcoxon> yes, there are lots of places with good walls
[07:38] <juxta> ah that's good :)
[07:38] <juxta> it was at a college, wasn't it?
[07:38] <jcoxon> its Churchill College, which is one of hte colleges at cambridge uni
[07:38] <jcoxon> its where edmoore is
[07:38] <juxta> ah okay
[07:38] <juxta> yep :)
[07:38] <jcoxon> I went to St Catharines College
[07:39] <jcoxon> couldn't launch from there though :-p
[07:39] <juxta> are they any gymnasiums etc you could use?
[07:39] <juxta> jcoxon: is it in London or something?
[07:39] <jcoxon> no i used to be at cambridge
[07:39] <jcoxon> graduated 2 1/2 yrs ago
[07:40] <jcoxon> Churchill College: 52.213017 0.100096
[07:40] <jcoxon> we can find a spot somewhere which will be out of the wind to let us fill
[07:42] <juxta> jcoxon: I meant was St Catherines in London?
[07:42] <jcoxon> nah its in cambrdige
[07:42] <juxta> ah okay
[07:42] <juxta> another of the colleges then I guess
[07:42] <jcoxon> my university career is a little confusing - I did 3 years at Cambrdridge and transfered to London to complete my training in the London hospitals
[07:43] <jcoxon> yeah there are loads of colleges
[07:44] <juxta> jcoxon: my mum did something similar, except she studied in Australia then did her internship in Oxford
[07:45] <jcoxon> oh cool
[07:45] <juxta> jcoxon: this is my school, I could never launch from here though:
[07:45] <juxta> http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=adelaide&sll=52.158348,0.111923&sspn=0.302873,0.725098&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Adelaide+South+Australia&ll=-34.91924,138.604261&spn=0.003163,0.005665&t=h&z=18
[07:46] <jcoxon> i love the way that google sat pics of australia are so much brighter then of the UK
[07:49] <juxta> the UK aerial photos look like they were taken late in the afternoon or something
[07:49] <juxta> there are lots of shadows
[07:50] <juxta> also - London looks massive in Google Maps - how long does it take to drive across?
[07:50] <jcoxon> yeah
[07:50] <jcoxon> it is massive
[07:51] <jcoxon> and the traffic is terrible
[07:52] <jcoxon> probably over an hour
[07:53] <juxta> I guess you have highways and stuff though
[07:53] <juxta> ring roads etc
[07:55] <jcoxon> yeah the M25 goes around the outside though that is usually completely shut down
[07:56] <juxta> howcome?
[07:56] <juxta> there's no ringroad here, though it would be nice
[07:56] <juxta> Adelaide has grown enough now that its road network can't cope anymore
[07:57] <jcoxon> juxta, oh there is usually an accident which blocks it and the traffic just comes to a halt
[07:57] <jcoxon> but its better then going through the centre of london
[07:58] <juxta> I can imagine driving through the center would take forever
[07:58] <juxta> even here in our 1 mile square CBD, it takes forever to drive that the mile across it during the day
[07:59] <jcoxon> and there is the congestion charge (though there is a route through the centre to avoid it) which is 8GBP per day
[07:59] <juxta> ouch, that's quite expensive
[08:01] <juxta> what's an average commute to work from the suburbs then? I guess people would use public transport a fair bit, does it take long?
[08:02] <juxta> also jcoxon, maybe you can answer this: in eagle if you hold ALT to move things around on a smaller grid, is that OK? or will the fab house not be able to make the board it it doesn't line up with the 'regular' grid?
[08:02] <jcoxon> it really depends on what you are near, where i live is on hte jubilee tube line which is great so getting into the centre takes 20mins max
[08:03] <jcoxon> however if you have to go by bus to even close places it can take ages
[08:03] <jcoxon> lots of people commute by train as well
[08:03] <jcoxon> juxta, i don't think it needs to sit on the regular grid
[08:04] <jcoxon> most fab houses will convert the eagle file to gerber - a completely different format, it might be worth doing this yourself so you can see how it came out
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[08:06] <jcoxon> which one are you considering using?
[08:06] <juxta> cheers
[08:06] <juxta> yeah, I have to convert it to a gerber
[08:06] <juxta> I'm looking at batchpcb
[08:06] <jcoxon> juxta, any thoughts on improvements for dl-fldigi
[08:07] <jcoxon> i've made a few changes to make it easier
[08:07] <juxta> hmm, only gripe i had was that it didn't seem to set the stop bits correctly
[08:07] <juxta> or parity, one or the other (i forget)
[08:07] <jcoxon> as in when you selected horus?
[08:07] <juxta> yeah
[08:07] <jcoxon> hmmm i can probably fix that
[08:08] <juxta> it's pretty good though jcoxon
[08:08] <jcoxon> yup found the problem
[08:08] <juxta> all the hams gave it shining reviews :)
[08:09] <jcoxon> it doesn't even bother setting them :-p
[08:09] <jcoxon> oops must have forgot that bit
[08:09] <jcoxon> thats partially as the xml files aren't defining them
[08:10] <jcoxon> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/horus.xml
[08:10] <juxta> jcoxon: yeah I noticed it wasnt defined in the XML
[08:10] <jcoxon> okay lets fix that now
[08:21] <juxta> hmm, something odd is happening in eagle with my diode and a DIP switch
[08:23] <juxta> if I connect the diode to the dip switch, eagle doesnt draw an airwire for that connection
[08:25] <jcoxon> fixed it
[08:26] <jcoxon> hmmm maybe something wrong with the model for the switch?
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[08:27] <jcoxon> juxta, what are your rtty settings?
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[08:28] <jcoxon> will update your xml
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[08:29] <juxta> damnit, power went out :(
[08:30] <jcoxon> juxta, have fixed your xml - the latest svn version of dl-fldigi will now completely set it up for you :-)
[08:30] <juxta> woo, thanks jcoxon :)
[08:31] <jcoxon> need to push out some binaries at some point
[08:31] <jcoxon> which really translates as i need to kick rjharrison to fire up his windows compiling setup
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[08:32] <juxta_> grr
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[08:53] <jcoxon> mobile broadband is working again
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[08:55] <jcoxon> rjharrison, ive added parity and stop to the xml definitions and dl-fldigi if it sees these options in the xml will now set it
[08:57] <junderwood> rjharrison, Have your latest changes modified the upload protocol for the listener? I use my own software for upload rather than dlfldigi and may need to make some changes.
[08:58] <jcoxon> junderwood, the protocol is backwards compatible
[08:58] <junderwood> :-)
[08:59] <jcoxon> junderwood, do you use our xml files to define the payloads?
[08:59] <junderwood> I can do. For the previous flight, rjharrison put the xml together
[09:00] <jcoxon> well now when you post the string if you at @xml="PAYLOAD_NAME" at the end it means that we can easily decide which xml to use to decode your data
[09:00] <jcoxon> the system used to try and detect the payload from the callsign - this now gives more flexibility so you don't need to comma seperate etc
[09:01] <jcoxon> i've setup dl-fldigi to automatically now pass back this info on each telemetry string relying on which xml you've selected
[09:25] <junderwood> jcoxon, OK. Dead easy. Is "PAYLOAD_NAME" the full name of the xml file or defined within the xml? (and is the schema available yet?)
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[09:53] <jcoxon> its the name of teh xml file though i'm not putting on the .xml part
[10:02] <Laurenceb> http://filebin.ca/crybwq/silabs_ISM.lbr
[10:03] <Laurenceb> ^ si4432 part for eagle :D
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[10:20] <jcoxon> morning LazyLeopard
[10:21] <LazyLeopard> Hiya. How're things looking for tomorrow?
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[10:24] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, yeah not bad thanks
[10:25] <jcoxon> you around to track?
[10:25] <LazyLeopard> Hopefully, yes.
[10:25] <jcoxon> there is a new version of dl-fldigi
[10:25] <jcoxon> would be great if you could try it out
[10:25] <LazyLeopard> Ok. I'll go get it.
[10:27] <LazyLeopard> The Mac versionbuilt on Leopard?
[10:27] <jcoxon> the svn copy if you are happy to compile it
[10:27] <LazyLeopard> In the main tree, presumably.
[10:27] <jcoxon> yeah, everything is back in the main trunk
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[10:32] <LazyLeopard> revision 81, it seems.
[10:32] <LazyLeopard> compiling now...
[10:32] <jcoxon> a few changes - hopefully in the right direction :-)
[10:35] <LazyLeopard> Any new dependencies? "make appbundle" is complaining aboul libssl.0.9.8
[10:35] <jcoxon> shouldn't be
[10:36] <jcoxon> certainly haven't added anything - just fiddled around with the internals
[10:42] <LazyLeopard> Right. I'll try again. I certainly seem to have the appropriate openssl installed.
[10:43] <jcoxon> just compiled it clean here
[10:43] <jcoxon> but then i have every lib under the sun
[10:43] <LazyLeopard> Compiled and built clean second time round.
[10:45] <jcoxon> a few simple changes such as the DL Client on the main menu
[10:49] <LazyLeopard> Running the long icarus wav through it now. Seems to be decoding fine.
[10:49] <jcoxon> great
[10:50] <jcoxon> trying to make it easier to use
[10:52] <LazyLeopard> I'll upload my dmg.
[10:52] <MikeMc68> morning
[10:52] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, wait a bit
[10:52] <jcoxon> will make a few more changes this morning
[10:52] <jcoxon> morning MikeMc68
[10:53] <LazyLeopard> Ok. Guess the one that just uploaded can be removed... ;)
[10:53] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:53] <jcoxon> yeah you should be able to swap them
[10:55] <LazyLeopard> Fair enough. I'll be around today, mostly.
[10:55] <LazyLeopard> Mike, do you use the Mac or Windows version of dl-fldigi?
[10:56] <MikeMc68> Mac
[10:57] <MikeMc68> Running Snow Leopard
[10:57] <MikeMc68> I've got it on my iMac and Macbook
[10:57] <MikeMc68> i'll have the MacBook with me tomorrow
[10:58] <MikeMc68> I see the latest version is 3.11.4 is that right James?
[10:59] <jcoxon> the latest version of fldigi is 3.11.4 but we are currently r79
[10:59] <jcoxon> well its r81 but i haven't compiled another binary
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[10:59] <MikeMc68> ok
[10:59] <MikeMc68> i take it there is no issue with using that version tomorrow?
[11:00] <jcoxon> no none
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[11:14] <jcoxon> anyone any experience with libcurl?
[11:14] <russss> a little bit.
[11:15] <jcoxon> so with dl-fldigi we use curl to POST the strings
[11:15] <jcoxon> and the server sends back feedback on success
[11:15] <jcoxon> but i can't seem to access this, there are no print commands yet it still appears in my console
[11:18] <jcoxon> i guess its libcurl that is printing to the console
[11:20] <russss> yeah it has a debug mode you can enable somewhere
[11:24] <jcoxon> its more that i want to get the server response to POST so that i can give the user feedback
[11:24] <jcoxon> russss, did you ever get that cable :-p
[11:24] <russss> actually I think some turned up in the massive box of cable I got from the BBC
[11:24] <russss> but I'm not free tomorrow so the point is moot :/
[11:25] <jcoxon> hehe
[11:35] <N900evil> jcoxon, you mean you use the program curl - or the libs?
[11:35] <jcoxon> the libs
[11:35] <N900evil> ah
[11:37] <jcoxon> i want to get the response from the server so that we can give the user of dl-fldigi feedback that there strings are getting in
[11:41] <N900evil> are you using curl_easy?
[11:41] <jcoxon> yeah
[11:42] <N900evil> curl_easy.getinfo?
[11:42] <N900evil> curl_easy_getinfo?
[11:42] <jcoxon> yeah i'm playing with that
[11:43] <jcoxon> i can get teh HTTP code such as 200
[11:43] <jcoxon> but Rob's server provides things like "OK" or "Checksum failed"
[11:43] <jcoxon> which would be useful stuff
[11:43] <N900evil> ah
[11:43] <jcoxon> just can't seem to access it
[11:43] <jcoxon> yet it prints into the console
[11:52] <N900evil> well - a cursory read indicates you can set a callback to read the response in the init
[11:52] <N900evil> but not easy to read on phone
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[11:53] <rjharrison_> ping jcoxon
[11:54] <jcoxon> hey rjharrison
[11:54] <rjharrison_> Just got am email from a local ham about pegasus
[11:54] <rjharrison_> He got am email from monitoring monthly
[11:54] <jcoxon> oh
[11:54] <jcoxon> am i in trouble ? :-)
[11:54] <rjharrison_> All about your launch this w/e
[11:55] <rjharrison_> No just interetesting the scope of information deployment
[11:56] <jcoxon> was it for last weekend of tomorrow?
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[11:56] <jcoxon> rjharrison_ ive made some progress with dl-fldigi
[11:57] <rjharrison_> jcoxon :)
[11:57] <rjharrison_> Cool
[11:58] <jcoxon> though am fighting with curl to give me callback
[12:01] <N900evil> rjharrison_, would server response code differing on successfull add be non-trivial?
[12:09] <rjharrison_> N900evil I could do that
[12:09] <rjharrison_> I guess
[12:09] <rjharrison_> Havent tried it but don't see why not
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon is just fighting with curl to get more than status code back from libcurl
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> into dl-fldigi
[12:10] <rjharrison_> I assume N900evil is one of your logins SpeedEvil
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> my phone
[12:10] Action: rjharrison_ wonders if Ian has an evil streak :)
[12:11] <rjharrison_> Ahh the N900
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> It was a random word generator
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:13] Nick change: ms7821 -> ms_
[12:13] Nick change: ms_ -> ms7821
[12:15] <jcoxon> bingo
[12:15] <jcoxon> got it working
[12:20] <N900evil> :)
[12:22] <jcoxon> well sort of :-p
[12:26] <rjharrison_> jcoxon cool
[12:26] <rjharrison_> svn co
[12:26] <rjharrison_> I'll pull a windows version together tonight
[12:34] <jcoxon> should probably be an experimental version
[12:38] <rjharrison_> jcoxon sure
[12:38] <rjharrison_> fergusnoble et al cusf any idea what is up with the grib
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[13:10] <rjharrison_> Some one paint the uk in pink on wunderground
[13:27] <jcoxon> right, all done
[13:27] <jcoxon> sort of
[13:27] <jcoxon> needs cleaning up
[13:27] <jcoxon> big time
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[13:51] <fergusnoble> rjharrison: fixed
[14:23] <rjharrison> fergusnoble thanks
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[15:14] <jcoxon> yay for fixed cusf LP
[15:15] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: I've uploaded a Tiger version built from r82.
[15:15] <jcoxon> oooo cool
[15:15] <jcoxon> if you go to the DL Client menu you should be able to see your last uploaded string and whether it was accepted - hopefully will make debugging easier
[15:16] <jcoxon> will put up a Leopard version now
[15:20] <LazyLeopard> ...presumably if I turn "report to tracker" on
[15:21] <jcoxon> the extract check box - yes
[15:23] <LazyLeopard> toggles between "Extracting" and "Upload to server"
[15:24] <LazyLeopard> Presumably other messages too?
[15:24] <jcoxon> oh go to the DLCLient menu in the main menu to the right of Help
[15:24] <jcoxon> and chose DL Info
[15:25] <LazyLeopard> Ah. got it
[15:25] <jcoxon> its a dirty hack - plan to improve it over the next few weeks
[15:26] <LazyLeopard> What should it be showing?
[15:27] <jcoxon> well when you upload a string it should show the last one and at the end tacked on is the servers reply - which should be OK
[15:29] <LazyLeopard> I've got one string, but it doesn't change after each upload, far as I can tell.
[15:30] <jcoxon> hmmm something to play with then :-)
[15:30] <jcoxon> i'll get it right eventually
[15:31] <LazyLeopard> Fair enough.
[15:31] <LazyLeopard> The web page hooks are a handy addition. ;)
[15:32] <jcoxon> yeah i thought that would be helpful
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[17:24] <natrium42> hi
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[17:46] <natrium42> i think i'm going to miss the launch tomorrow :(
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[17:50] <natrium42> hello mister Endeavour
[17:50] <Endeavour> Hello Natrium.
[17:52] <natrium42> how is life?
[17:53] <natrium42> pics of makerbot? :P
[17:53] <Endeavour> I'm alright, just waiting on parts.
[17:56] <Hiena> Muahahahaha... Flourcasting works with white-metal! Time to make a pressure feeder to it.
[17:57] <natrium42> pictures please
[17:57] <natrium42> somebody better post some pix soon
[17:57] <russss> you can see some pics of our Makerbot if you want. It doesn't work though
[17:58] <natrium42> ok, sure :)
[17:58] <russss> http://www.flickr.com/groups/1183951@N23/pool/ (scroll down)
[17:58] <russss> there is a video from when it was working
[17:58] <russss> before our ABS stripped the teeth off an aluminium drive pulley.
[17:58] <natrium42> ouch
[17:59] <russss> I got 5 new pulleys from the US today, at vast expense
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[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:00] <natrium42> guten abend Lunar_Lander
[18:00] <Endeavour> Geez russss. How'd that happen?
[18:00] <Endeavour> Lunar_Lander ist ein Deutscher mann, natrium42 ?
[18:00] <russss> Endeavour: well I wager either because of a flaw in the manufacture of the pulley, or because of the extruder temperature being too low
[18:00] <natrium42> ich glaube
[18:01] <Endeavour> Sehr interresant.
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[18:01] <Endeavour> Ah, I see.
[18:01] <natrium42> hi jcoxon, the man of the hour
[18:01] <russss> but I'm still surprised that plastic managed to break aluminium in either respect.
[18:01] <russss> I guess something has to give
[18:01] <Endeavour> My nichrome heating wire kept shorting on the heater barrel.
[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:01] <Endeavour> So I'm waiting on new nichrome.
[18:02] <jcoxon> natrium42, good evening natrium42, how can i help?
[18:02] <Endeavour> I was literally on the last step
[18:02] <russss> Endeavour: where are you getting it from?
[18:02] <Endeavour> Checked the resistance for good measure before powering it up
[18:02] <Endeavour> And it was shorted.
[18:02] <russss> I know someone who was looking for a nichrome supplier.
[18:02] <natrium42> jcoxon: mark the assignments for me :P
[18:02] <Endeavour> From the MakerBot people.
[18:02] <russss> ah yeah
[18:02] <russss> seems to be surprisingly hard to source in the EU
[18:03] <russss> I had to buy these pulleys from the manufacturer
[18:03] <russss> because makerbot didn't have them in stock
[18:03] <Endeavour> I'm going to write to them and suggest they add one or two extra strands of the stuff in the package.
[18:03] <natrium42> nice hackspace, russss
[18:03] <Endeavour> It costs next to nothing, and it would have saved me about a week of time, and $8 shipping.
[18:03] <rjharrison> Evening all
[18:04] <rjharrison> Hi jcoxon polishing?
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> hi rjharrison
[18:04] <Endeavour> When I get a chance I'm going to completely redesign the extruder, though, russss.
[18:04] <Endeavour> I don't like the design they chose.
[18:04] <jcoxon> rjharrison, more like repairing :-p
[18:04] <jcoxon> i haven't seen the payload for about 5 days :-p
[18:04] <russss> Endeavour: I'd like it if it had two driving pinch-pulleys instead of a drive and an idler
[18:04] <natrium42> jcoxon: are you going to use the new CRC16?
[18:04] <Endeavour> Brass is a poor heat conductor, for one.
[18:05] <Endeavour> It's also very expensive.
[18:05] <jcoxon> natrium42, nope
[18:05] <Endeavour> Aluminum seems like it would be superior in all respects
[18:05] <Endeavour> Plus, you can hard anodize it, making the whole body electrically insulated.
[18:07] <Endeavour> As for the mechanics of the rest of the extruder, I hadn't really put much thought into that yet, russss
[18:07] <Endeavour> mostly just the extruder barrel is what bugs me.
[18:07] <jcoxon> natrium42, was going to leave all the code in place, - best not mess with anything
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> baras is a bad heat conductor.
[18:07] <Endeavour> But I would agree that a single drive motor and idler wheel seems less than idea.
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> But it's _much_ better than the plastic
[18:07] <rjharrison> natrium42 CRC16 is really nice
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> Which is generally the limiting factor
[18:08] <Endeavour> SpeedEvil: It's not the worst. But it's not good compared to, say, aluminum or copper.
[18:08] <natrium42> jcoxon: good point, what about that emergency code you put in at the last minute?
[18:08] <rjharrison> natrium42 :)
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> Endeavour: Sure. But when the limiting factor is the tehrmal conductivity of the plastic.
[18:08] <Endeavour> And brass is exceedingly expensive because all copper based alloys have gone through the roof on pricing in recent years.
[18:08] <Endeavour> Al
[18:08] <russss> Endeavour: well you could still keep the drive motor but just gear it to two drive wheels.
[18:08] Action: SpeedEvil wishes he'd bought a couple of tons of Al at the start of the year.
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> I couldn't find a commodities broker thant'd sell it to me though.
[18:09] <Endeavour> Aluminum is much cheaper and has some very attractive features, including greater thermal conductivity and the ability to hard anodize it.
[18:09] <Endeavour> russss: True.
[18:09] <natrium42> rjharrison: i had an idea about specifying what kind of error code is used right in the sentence instead of XML... just use something other than *
[18:09] <jcoxon> natrium42, yeah that still there
[18:09] <natrium42> rjharrison: not sure if it has any advantages though
[18:09] <Endeavour> It would be nice if you could feed the plastic in much the same way the human body consumes food.
[18:09] <jcoxon> but i managed to sim that code
[18:09] <russss> Endeavour: that would also mean you could have a fixed distance between the pulleys instead of the fiddly adjustable idler pulley at the moment
[18:09] <natrium42> ah, cool
[18:10] <Endeavour> A sort of peristaltic contraction and squeezes more or less evenly on all sides to feed it down.
[18:10] <russss> Endeavour: yeah, of course a pellet-based extruder would be best. Filament adds cost.
[18:10] <Endeavour> Well, I was thinking filaments still, but with better force distribution.
[18:11] <rjharrison> natrium42 that would of course work but we start to restrice what chars can me used in the sentance
[18:11] <rjharrison> sentence
[18:12] <rjharrison> I'm trying to keep the sentence as clean as possible
[18:12] <Endeavour> natrium42: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thephoton/
[18:12] <Endeavour> Have fun.
[18:13] <russss> Endeavour: hey, you brew beer as well. After my own heart ;)
[18:13] <Endeavour> Heh
[18:13] <Endeavour> Yeah, I've made some bubbly.
[18:13] <Endeavour> Haven't in nearly a month now, though. Still have a bit of the stuff left.
[18:13] <natrium42> rjharrison: aah, i see. makes sense then
[18:14] <russss> my house is currently a building site so I haven't done any in a year or so
[18:14] <russss> no room
[18:14] <Endeavour> I need to start thinking about brewing a few spring beers
[18:14] <natrium42> good work with the improvements
[18:14] Action: SpeedEvil also makes bubbly.
[18:14] <Endeavour> I have three kegs that are nearing emptiness
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> (though actually bread)
[18:14] <Endeavour> So it's time to start the refilling plans.
[18:14] <natrium42> Endeavour: omg, pizza
[18:14] <Endeavour> Yeah, made those
[18:14] <natrium42> :)
[18:15] <Endeavour> The crust was pretty good.
[18:15] <natrium42> jcoxon: i won't make the launch tomorrow, good luck
[18:15] <jcoxon> natrium42, it might still be flying on sunday :-p
[18:15] <natrium42> going to be driving home (~10 hours drive)
[18:15] <jcoxon> ouch
[18:16] <jcoxon> if something goes wrong with the tracker is there a way to roll it back?
[18:16] <natrium42> will check in briefly tomorrow
[18:16] <natrium42> yeah, just copy index1.php to index.php
[18:16] <jcoxon> okay cool
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> When is it - afternoon again?
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> Provisionally.
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> Scheduled for wind on the ground?
[18:17] <jcoxon> 15:00UTC
[18:17] <jcoxon> winds are 6mph westerlys on the ground
[18:17] <natrium42> bbl
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[18:18] <rjharrison> jcoxon you got a check list before launch
[18:18] <jcoxon> not yet, job for today
[18:18] <jcoxon> grrrr going to need to open her up to swap out the old batteries
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> and re-tank the ethanol
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> by the way
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> is the ethanol system the only one of the four systems on the "ideas" page in the wiki which was actually used?
[18:29] <Twiner> Oh? It "spilled"?
[18:29] <Twiner> :)
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know Twiner ;)
[18:31] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, yup
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander> the iron dust system was used on the big balloons in the US
[18:33] <jcoxon> yes and also by cnes
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:33] <jcoxon> however we weren't comfotable with dumping them
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:36] <rjharrison> jcoxon
[18:36] <rjharrison> Nice additions :)
[18:36] <rjharrison> Track & Raw
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> what about the Wax Pellets?
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> seems to be the most experimental design
[18:40] <jcoxon> rjharrison, :-D
[18:51] <rjharrison> jcoxon
[18:51] <rjharrison> There is a problem
[18:51] <rjharrison> The latest version is not pulling back the XML files
[18:51] <rjharrison> At least not on linux or windows
[18:52] <rjharrison> Do you concurr
[18:52] <jcoxon> pulling back?
[18:52] <rjharrison> The payload list is empty for me
[18:53] <rjharrison> Flight XML to be precise
[18:53] <jcoxon> hmmmmm
[18:53] <rjharrison> Is it for you, assuming you have the latest version!
[18:53] <jcoxon> i concour
[18:53] <jcoxon> i know what is wrong
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[18:55] <jcoxon> fixing right now
[18:58] <rjharrison> cool
[18:58] <rjharrison> I can get it working then
[18:58] <rjharrison> Will be using the new version for rx tomorrow
[19:01] <MikeMc68> evening
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> my booklet is almost done
[19:07] <rjharrison> jcoxon seems to be working now
[19:07] <rjharrison> ie svn update
[19:07] <jcoxon> with the new version?
[19:07] <jcoxon> r83?
[19:07] <rjharrison> yep
[19:08] <jcoxon> the new debug function - in DL Info is a bit delayed
[19:08] <jcoxon> 1 string behind
[19:08] <jcoxon> it was a really dirty hack
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[19:14] <rjharrison> it DL info?
[19:15] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:15] <jcoxon> evening edmoore
[19:16] <edmoore> hi
[19:16] <rjharrison> Where is DL info?
[19:16] <jcoxon> in the DL Client menu
[19:16] <rjharrison> hehe
[19:16] <rjharrison> Found it :)
[19:16] <rjharrison> white stick needed
[19:23] <rjharrison> jcoxon is the XML file always sent in ucase?
[19:25] <jcoxon> yes
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[19:26] <rjharrison> Cool
[19:30] <rjharrison> jcoxon the new version means they teh payload name no longer neeeds to be fixed either
[19:30] <rjharrison> :)
[19:30] <rjharrison> XHABEN 293232
[19:32] <rjharrison> hum r78 is a bit of a lie :)
[19:32] <rjharrison> I'll fix that for you
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> hmm
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> I got a camera-related question
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> does anybody know about cameras here?
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> what sort of camera
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> I wondered about something
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> you know these little pocket spectrometers?
[19:48] <SpeedEvil> yes
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> I wondered if one can put a cam behind it to record the spectrum
[19:48] <SpeedEvil> yes
[19:48] <SpeedEvil> however - you may or may not get vignetting and other artifacts.
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> and how would I do it? I suppose simply taping the spectrometer to the camera won't work well
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[19:50] <SpeedEvil> pretty much
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> that's cool
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> thanks SpeedEvil ;)
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> It may not be close enough optically.
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> But it can work.
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> Try playing with some binocs with a camera for example
[19:51] <SpeedEvil> or a webcam
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> that is a good idea
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> thanks again
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[20:08] <jcoxon> hmmm my external temp sensor is broken
[20:12] <MikeMc68> James what time are you looking at launching tomorrow?
[20:13] <jcoxon> 15:00UTC
[20:13] <MikeMc68> thx
[20:15] <jcoxon> oh well these temperature sensors are going to do crazy things tomorrow
[20:16] <jcoxon> can't be trusted
[20:19] <jcoxon> ping rjharrison
[20:22] <G8DSU> jcoxon: no mention of tomorrow's launch on www.arhab.org - deliberate?
[20:23] <jcoxon> a little
[20:24] <Laurenceb> hi folks
[20:24] <jcoxon> don't want to get too many people excited for it to fail :-)
[20:24] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: good luck
[20:24] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: do you have eagle?
[20:24] <jcoxon> thanks Laurenceb
[20:25] <jcoxon> G8DSU, may need a mad dash of recruiting listeners
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> nope
[20:25] <jcoxon> by we'll get it up in the air first i think
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> hi G8DSU
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon what did the US people think when they offered to track BH4?
[20:28] <jcoxon> they didn't offer to track BH4
[20:28] <jcoxon> they are planning to use dl-fldigi and spacenear.us to track their low power radio flights
[20:28] <jcoxon> hence why they have appeared on the map
[20:28] <G8DSU> I'll be ready. But the mad dash may need to be informed by where it goes - southern England and northern France seem fairly certain but Holland etc may be necessary. Just what approximate range are we looking at from a 'reasonable' altitude ~350km-ish?
[20:29] <jcoxon> it pretty much will be S england/N france
[20:29] <jcoxon> if it gets above 22km it'll swing sufficiently south
[20:29] <jcoxon> i've got a contact i netherlands as well if requred
[20:29] <jcoxon> the flight is going to be quite slow - winds aren't too strong
[20:30] <G8DSU> Are the French guys who recovered the last flight interested in tracking - or just recovery?
[20:30] <jcoxon> both
[20:30] <jcoxon> but i don't suspect they'll come online until its in the air
[20:31] <G8DSU> good news
[20:31] <jcoxon> G8DSU, i don't expect it back to tell the truth
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[20:32] <G8DSU> Would the payload float? If so make sure your contact details are in waterproof ink!
[20:33] <jcoxon> it should float and they are laminated :-p
[20:33] <jcoxon> in english and french
[20:35] <G8DSU> The success rate for "message in the bottle" post from St Kilda to the Scottish mainland was surprisingly high. Don't be too surprised if you get it back.
[20:35] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:35] <jcoxon> right time to close this payload up
[20:36] <G8DSU> Are we likely to have streaming video form the launch again? It really added something for us armchair balloonists! Even got a couple of rubbish quality photographs from the screen!
[20:37] <G8DSU> from
[20:37] <jcoxon> that i'm not sure above
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> indeed,was fun
[20:37] <jcoxon> we are at chu so get wifi
[20:37] <jcoxon> but steve isn't coming along so don't have his camera
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> You need a cameraperson though, so you can follow the 'running frantically after the balloon' stage. :)
[20:38] <G8DSU> :-)
[20:42] <jcoxon> someone will have to set something up as i'm not going to organise it :-p
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[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> I once sent up a balloon of the Green Party with a plastic wrapped postcard
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> and I wrote my address on it with a request of putting it in a mailbo
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> *mailbox
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> but I never got it back
[20:46] <natrium42> \o/
[20:49] <jcoxon> hehe patching up the gold space blanket
[20:49] <jcoxon> bh4 isnt as beautiful as before
[20:50] <natrium42> aww
[20:51] <SpeedEvil> ;/
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[21:09] <natrium42> hi edmoore
[21:09] <edmoore> hi
[21:10] <natrium42> going to help with the launch tomorrow?
[21:13] <natrium42> edmoore?
[21:13] <edmoore> sorry it didn't ping
[21:13] <edmoore> yes indeed
[21:13] <edmoore> it's from churchill afterall :)
[21:14] <natrium42> excellent :)
[21:15] <natrium42> i think i will pop in for 5 mins to check how it went before i start the drive home
[21:15] <natrium42> at about 1700UTC
[21:17] <jcoxon> okay - no external temp sensor tomorrow
[21:17] <jcoxon> it got broken on the bouncing
[21:18] <natrium42> :(
[21:19] <jcoxon> because they are on the same one wire network its been screwing them all up so i disconnected it so that the others work
[21:19] <natrium42> ok
[21:20] <jcoxon> now we are playing the fun game where we wait for a gps lock to make sure everything is working
[21:20] <natrium42> jcoxon: shall i remove them from the tracker or are you still sending the fields?
[21:21] <jcoxon> the 2 internal sensors are working
[21:21] <jcoxon> the external will report as 0
[21:21] <natrium42> ah, gotcha
[21:27] <natrium42> made the balloon blue
[21:27] <natrium42> red is not that visible on satellite map :S
[21:28] <jcoxon> we might be over the sea!
[21:28] <natrium42> hrm
[21:28] <natrium42> so which colour do you prefer?
[21:28] <natrium42> red, blue, green, yellow
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[21:29] <natrium42> actually that blue seems to contrast well on the water
[21:29] <jcoxon> aaarrghhhh 2 sats, come on, just a few more
[21:29] <jcoxon> oh okay
[21:29] <natrium42> but it's up to you :P
[21:29] <natrium42> running last test?
[21:30] <jcoxon> gps lock test out on my balcony
[21:32] <natrium42> jcoxon: are you going to have chase cars also?
[21:33] <jcoxon> nope
[21:33] <jcoxon> tis a floater :-p
[21:33] <natrium42> :)
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[21:38] <jcoxon> hmmm this wednesday could be a perfect altitude record attempt
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[21:41] <natrium42> * jcoxon pokes rjharrison
[21:41] <natrium42> :)
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/02/19/1730208/MITs-Flyfire-To-Paint-Images-In-the-Sky-Using-Micro-Helicopters
[21:59] <natrium42> SpeedEvil: any progress with your path loss predictor?
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[22:04] <jcoxon> FINALLY!
[22:04] <jcoxon> a lock
[22:06] <natrium42> rofl
[22:11] <natrium42> jcoxon: you need a better antenna
[22:13] <jcoxon> need a better gps
[22:13] <jcoxon> stupid lassen
[22:14] <natrium42> lassen4life
[22:15] <jcoxon> also don't get good views of the sky where i am
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: No - I got distracted by baking.
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: I have some 'how fast would it be' code done - but none that actually does the sums
[22:19] Action: natrium42 sharpens poking stick
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> On the other hand - I have some really nice apple+raspberry crumbles frozen.
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> But that doesn't help with path loss prediction admittedly.
[22:20] <natrium42> also, you can't submit pies to github...
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> That is clearly a flaw in the protocol.
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[22:23] <natrium42> haha, unfortunately PTP is already taken for picture transfer protocol
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[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:17] <MikeMc68> evening
[23:18] <natrium42> Hi MC Mike
[23:22] <MikeMc68> yo
[23:22] <MikeMc68> how's Oz at this time of year ?
[23:22] <natrium42> no idea, but good question XD
[23:23] <MikeMc68> Oh I thought you were out there
[23:25] <natrium42> nope, i am from canada
[23:25] <natrium42> but in usa this week
[23:25] <MikeMc68> Ahh
[23:25] <MikeMc68> Must be anotehr guy from Oz
[23:25] <natrium42> :)
[23:25] <MikeMc68> I know it is Juxta and 1 other guy from the land down under
[23:25] <natrium42> yeah
[23:25] <MikeMc68> Your in USA? That must be a bummer
[23:26] <natrium42> i am visiting my sister who is studying at harvard
[23:26] <MikeMc68> I see
[23:26] <natrium42> going to drive home tomorrow (>900km)
[23:26] <natrium42> missing the BH4 flight :(
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[23:29] <MikeMc68> Bummer
[23:29] <MikeMc68> Driving back on your own?
[23:30] <natrium42> yeah
[23:30] <natrium42> it's around 10 hour drive
[23:30] <MikeMc68> sheesh
[23:33] <natrium42> north america is big... in europe you'd pass many countries with that distance
[23:33] <MikeMc68> Yep
[23:33] <MikeMc68> My bro lives in Reno
[23:35] <natrium42> cool
[23:36] Action: SpeedEvil baked a flan in reno, just to eat a pie.
[23:38] <MikeMc68> lol
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[23:41] <natrium42> a wild edmoore appears
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[23:41] <natrium42> juxta-chu, i choose you
[23:41] <edmoore> ?
[23:41] <natrium42> pokemon
[23:41] <edmoore> right
[23:41] <edmoore> am off - g'night!
[23:41] <natrium42> l2irc :P
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[23:46] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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