[00:00] <natrium42> yeah, we can play with that
[00:00] <Randomskk> requires me to work out remote control of the radio
[00:00] <Randomskk> not sure I have the required cables
[00:00] <Randomskk> probably don't
[00:00] <Randomskk> probably can order them with fast delivery though
[00:00] <Randomskk> actually, that said, what time is the launch on saturday? any idea?
[00:00] <natrium42> do you have a usb to serial converter?
[00:00] <Randomskk> several
[00:00] <natrium42> the cable is very easy to make
[00:01] <Randomskk> my mother is coming up about 9 to about 2 and will be able to bring the cables the radio came with, including its accessory cable deal
[00:01] <Randomskk> otoh if the launch is before that going to EARS could be tricky
[00:01] <Randomskk> though it would be easy to just fob her off into town and go to EARS instead :P
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[00:07] <natrium42> Randomskk, just short Tx and Rx and connec them to ring of 3.5 audio connector
[00:07] <natrium42> then connect the grounds
[00:07] <natrium42> that's it
[00:07] <Randomskk> that seems pretty straightforward
[00:08] <natrium42> indeed :)
[00:08] <Randomskk> would need to nextday some 3.5 jacks, didnm't bring any up and can't afford to cut up any of the ones I have
[00:08] <Randomskk> not a big deal
[00:08] <Randomskk> what does it plug into on the radio?
[00:08] <natrium42> i think you can use a plug
[00:08] <natrium42> the radio has a jack
[00:08] <Randomskk> one of the four at the back?
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[00:08] <natrium42> so just cut cable of old headphones
[00:09] <Randomskk> like I said, haven't brought any up with me
[00:09] <natrium42> i think so
[00:09] <Randomskk> can get some plugs nextday'd easily though
[00:09] <Randomskk> don't even need next day really, not yet
[00:09] <Randomskk> but okay, so a usb-serial, a 3.5mm plug, job done?
[00:09] <Randomskk> plus the 3.5mm audio for radio to laptop
[00:09] <Randomskk> sounds good
[00:09] <natrium42> yeah
[00:09] <Randomskk> and then setting up X forwarding somehow or other
[00:09] <natrium42> right
[00:12] <natrium42> hmm, i am using that DIN connector that was supplied with the radio to connect the audio
[00:12] <Randomskk> I am using the headphone jack on the front panel :P
[00:13] <Randomskk> but I can get the DIN connector brought up in time for saturday
[00:13] <natrium42> ok, headphone jack should work too
[00:13] <natrium42> it's just volume controlled :P
[00:13] <Randomskk> I don't have computer-controlled TX or PTT though
[00:13] <natrium42> should be needed for our purposes
[00:14] <Randomskk> take it you mean shouldn't
[00:14] <natrium42> right
[00:14] <natrium42> my typing is teh sux
[00:15] <Randomskk> I am typing with over a second of latency between keypress and it showing up :P
[00:15] <Randomskk> it is the most painful thing
[00:15] <natrium42> haha
[00:16] <Randomskk> this is the problem with 10MB/s internet combined with 6GB/10day allownacnes
[00:16] <Randomskk> it takes very little time to exceed it by accident
[00:17] <Randomskk> never again: I now have a router between me and the internet which will throttle me before I hit it, hurrah
[00:17] <Randomskk> but I have to live with it for ten days :P
[00:17] <natrium42> ouch
[00:17] <Randomskk> did email IT to ask if they could do anything about the latency and they seem mostly friendly but no response
[00:17] <Randomskk> will probably email again
[00:19] <scotty> Im off thanks guys!
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[00:24] <natrium42> SpeedEvil's connection is sucky too :P
[00:25] <SpeedEvil> :/
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[00:26] <Randomskk> why would you do that when python has beautifulsoup and ruby has nokogiri? :P
[00:26] <SpeedEvil> I know awk.
[00:26] <SpeedEvil> And it takes a couple of min to get it to do what I want
[00:26] <Randomskk> I guess
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[17:36] <jcoxon> afternoon all
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[18:50] <MikeMc68> evening
[18:54] <jcoxon> hey MikeMc68
[18:56] <MikeMc68> hey
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[19:32] <jcoxon> oh wow
[19:33] <jcoxon> if we can keep BH4 floating over night:
[19:33] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo:ballasthalo4#launch_plans
[19:33] <jcoxon> !
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[19:38] <jcoxon> hi G8DSU
[19:41] Action: jcoxon is on the hunt for radio operators in S England :-p
[19:43] <Randomskk> jcoxon: what time are you tihnking of launching?
[19:44] <Randomskk> oh, I see
[19:44] <Randomskk> 1500 cool
[19:46] <jcoxon> yeah need it to be at altitude by sunset to float :-)
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[19:49] <G8DSU> hi jcoxon - Touch and go whether I'll be in a position to monitor the flight but hope to
[19:50] <jcoxon> G8DSU, :-)
[19:50] <jcoxon> well its going to be a long flight so any decoded strings will be great
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[19:52] <jcoxon> of course if the ballast tanks do actually work then the flight might be slightly shorter
[19:52] <jcoxon> will continue to search for more operators
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[19:55] <G8DSU> Incidentally, any ideas on tracking a possible TA flight? HF? Spot? amateur satellite?
[19:55] <jcoxon> G8DSU, yeah it'll be HF (40m) and Spot
[19:56] <jcoxon> RocketBoy has been working on the HF radio - is coming together well
[19:56] <G8DSU> Better get some 40m capability sorted then...
[19:56] <jcoxon> hehe
[19:57] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, at some point could you ping AlexBreton for me - though its no hurry
[19:58] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, have sent him a message; though he's offline currently
[19:58] <jcoxon> no worries
[19:59] <jcoxon> was going to ask if he could do some french homework :-p and translate a guide to tracking a balloon (well an abridged version)
[19:59] <jcoxon> right food time, bbl
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[19:59] <jcoxon> hey AlexBreton, that was quick
[19:59] <AlexBreton> jcoxon: someone called me?
[19:59] <jcoxon> me
[19:59] <AlexBreton> what's up?
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[20:13] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, is your watch auto winding?
[20:13] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: yes
[20:13] <AlexBreton> ftw
[20:13] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, mechanical right?
[20:14] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, how accurate?
[20:14] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: depends. My swatch is shit, but the Breitling keeps good time
[20:14] <AlexBreton> 10x more expensive tho
[20:14] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, how shit?
[20:14] <AlexBreton> + or - 20 seconds a day
[20:14] <AlexBreton> usually +
[20:14] <sbasuita> ouch
[20:14] <AlexBreton> the breitling is less than 5 seconds a day which isn't noticeable
[20:15] <sbasuita> =/
[20:15] <AlexBreton> the badass COSC ones are stupidly accurate
[20:15] <AlexBreton> chrono to 1/100th of a second on a mechanical watch
[20:15] <AlexBreton> but they cost bare money
[20:16] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, how long does the battery/capacitor last on an automatic quartz?
[20:16] <AlexBreton> no idea, quite long
[20:16] <AlexBreton> the spring on a mechanical watch typically lasts 48 hours on full wind
[20:17] <AlexBreton> afaik those auto quartz are pretty good
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[20:27] <jonsowman> !ping edmoor
[20:27] <jonsowman> !ping edmoore
[20:39] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, http://marina.fortunecity.com/westindia/59/ppc89.htm
[20:39] <AlexBreton> I jizzed myself
[20:39] <AlexBreton> holy cow
[20:41] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: for good cheap mechanical watch go ebay and go soviet
[20:41] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, ehehe
[20:41] <AlexBreton> you can get military surplus ones
[20:41] <AlexBreton> that are really well built
[20:41] <AlexBreton> double up as weapons
[20:43] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, what, knuckle-duster style? :P
[20:43] <AlexBreton> ya
[20:43] <AlexBreton> really chunky things
[20:43] <AlexBreton> think 4cm wide 1cm thick
[20:57] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, lmao scroll down to the paperwork for the "NO RADIATION" stamp xD http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOVIET-MILITARY-DIVING-GILT-WATCH-700m-WATER-RESISTANT_W0QQitemZ250572816392QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL?hash=item3a574dc008
[20:58] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: those are fakes. The real military surplus ones are plain on the back
[20:58] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, yeah but its RADIATION FREE
[20:58] <AlexBreton> Antimagnetic is nice
[20:59] <AlexBreton> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOSTOK-KOMANDIRSKIE-ZAKAZ-MO-SOVIET-WATCH-STOP-SECOND_W0QQitemZ110489894279QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL?hash=item19b9b5fd87
[20:59] <AlexBreton> this one is great
[20:59] <AlexBreton> I'm tempted
[21:01] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, nah man its horrible
[21:01] <AlexBreton> not bling enough?
[21:01] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, no just not very nice ;)
[21:01] <AlexBreton> I had a great one
[21:01] <AlexBreton> it was a pocket watch
[21:02] <AlexBreton> with LCD screen\
[21:02] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, lcd screen!?
[21:02] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, did it run Mac OSX?
[21:02] <AlexBreton> DanielRichman: t'was soviet, so no
[21:02] <AlexBreton> but ye shit you not LCD screen
[21:02] <jcoxon> does it run linux?
[21:02] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, isn't there some Russian linux distroy
[21:02] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, pics or it didn't happen
[21:02] <AlexBreton> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/POCKET-ELEKTRONIKA-5-VINTAGE-SOVIET-RUSSIAN-WATCH-RARE_W0QQitemZ110453118780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL?hash=item19b784d73c
[21:02] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, ofc
[21:02] <DanielRichman> *distro
[21:03] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, what the actual hell is that
[21:03] <AlexBreton> sbasuita: soviet wtf
[21:03] <AlexBreton> I want one
[21:03] <AlexBreton> it's so anachronistic
[21:03] <AlexBreton> LCD screen on a pocket watch
[21:04] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, yeah but not that one
[21:04] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, just get a pocket nixie tube watch, also doubles as a fusion reactor
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[21:14] <MikeMc68> Guys - How do I find out the sensitivity of an AOR-8200 compared to a Yaesu FT-790R ?
[21:15] <jcoxon> the usually have datasheets
[21:15] <jcoxon> with a measure of sensitivity
[21:17] <RocketBoy> yeah normally quoted as a sensitivity for a given signal to noise ratio or SINAD e.g. -108dBm for 12dB SINAD
[21:17] <RocketBoy> or e.g. 0.3uV
[21:18] <MikeMc68> thanks
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[21:19] <edmoore> jcoxon: check email
[21:20] <jcoxon> mid-email writing - will do in a sec!
[21:20] <natrium42> o/
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[21:23] <jcoxon> edmoore, downloading
[21:23] <edmoore> cool
[21:23] <jcoxon> though don't have cam internet so may take some time
[21:24] <natrium42> edmoore, are you going to be at the launch?
[21:24] <edmoore> maybe
[21:24] <MikeMc68> Do you think I would pick anything up from Cheshire if I used a Yagi ?
[21:24] <edmoore> the churchill sp[ring ball is on friday night
[21:24] <jcoxon> oh natrium42 i reckon i can re-rig my ft790 to be internet controlled
[21:25] <edmoore> unlimited champagne and food from 8pm to 4am
[21:25] <edmoore> so... i may not be at my operational peak o saturday
[21:25] <natrium42> cool, i think Randomskk also plans to rig up his too
[21:25] <edmoore> MikeMc68: easy
[21:25] <natrium42> edmoore, pfft
[21:25] <edmoore> MikeMc68: well i guess it depends on the direction
[21:26] <edmoore> but yes, f you have line of sight on it, which you should easily, it should be fine
[21:26] <edmoore> jcoxon: wat helium plans have you?
[21:26] <jcoxon> MikeMc68, latest forecast: http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo:ballasthalo4#launch_plans
[21:26] <jcoxon> edmoore, steve has some
[21:26] <edmoore> cool
[21:27] <MikeMc68> OK well if you think I can receive a signal from Cheshire I will give it a go.
[21:27] <edmoore> jcoxon: barcelona!
[21:27] <jcoxon> yeah...
[21:27] <edmoore> MikeMc68: i would have thought so
[21:28] <edmoore> so doug ellison last time got it from leicester to LeMans with his yagi
[21:28] <edmoore> 400km
[21:28] <MikeMc68> wow
[21:29] <jcoxon> basically we've learnt that with a tiny bit of repositioning you can pick up the signal a very long way away
[21:29] <edmoore> so it's definitely worth setting the yagi up!
[21:30] <MikeMc68> OK i'll take all of my gear with me and see what i can get
[21:30] <jcoxon> that said kent would be better :-p
[21:30] <MikeMc68> Well i am going to be in Cheshire this weekend i'm afraid - family birthday party
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[21:30] <MikeMc68> jcoxon: your backup beacon - i see from the code it isn't transmitting a position
[21:31] <MikeMc68> so how will it be utilised? Triangulation?
[21:31] <jcoxon> MikeMc68, yeah - its just a backup beacon
[21:31] <jcoxon> though might stick a temp sensor on it if i have time on friday
[21:31] <MikeMc68> is it transmitting all the time?
[21:32] <natrium42> mmh, beacon
[21:32] <natrium42> edmoore, is your IC7000 computer controlled?
[21:32] <edmoore> it can be
[21:32] <jcoxon> MikeMc68, no on and off
[21:32] <edmoore> we interfaced and arduino to it to do uplinks
[21:32] <MikeMc68> won't it interfere with the RTTY transmitter?
[21:32] <natrium42> neat
[21:34] <Randomskk> yay the motor spins
[21:34] <natrium42> :D
[21:34] <jcoxon> MikeMc68, they differ in freq a bit
[21:34] <jcoxon> but there is a chance that they'll overlap
[21:35] <jcoxon> the beacon will get colder though so should drift down
[21:35] <natrium42> Randomskk, so you have the rpm too?
[21:36] <Randomskk> well no it's still just a constant-time commutation between steps
[21:36] <Randomskk> very basic code
[21:36] <Randomskk> but it works
[21:36] <Randomskk> motor spins albeit very steppily
[21:36] <natrium42> gotcha
[21:38] <Randomskk> next, BEMF detection so it can commutate just right
[21:38] <Randomskk> then get it up to significant speeds
[21:40] <jcoxon> edmoore, haha!
[21:40] <edmoore> hrm, is all I can say
[21:40] <jcoxon> this is brilliant
[21:48] <jcoxon> yay for space teddies \o/
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[21:54] <edmoore> it's quite japanese isn't it
[21:55] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:55] <jcoxon> have you had it translated?
[21:56] <jcoxon> edmoore, are you on twitter?
[21:56] <edmoore> nope
[21:56] <edmoore> to both
[21:56] <edmoore> need to find a japanese person
[21:56] <jcoxon> iv'e got a good school friend who is japanese
[21:56] <jcoxon> could get him to have a look if you wanted
[21:57] <edmoore> yeah why not
[21:59] <natrium42> what are you translating?
[22:01] <MikeMc68> what are you all looking at ?
[22:02] <natrium42> me and MikeMc68 want to be cool too :(
[22:02] <jcoxon> oh we aint cool
[22:02] <jcoxon> you guys are the cool ones :-)
[22:02] <edmoore> any coolness i had is now forever gone
[22:03] <jcoxon> thats very true ;-)
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[22:35] <jcoxon> wow we finally might be getting back to sensible jetstream patterns
[22:35] <jcoxon> next week that is
[22:37] <MikeMc68> woohoo
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