highaltitude.log.20100203

[00:01] <MikeMc68> hmm
[00:01] <MikeMc68> don't think it has
[00:03] <MikeMc68> i have a Nokia E65 too
[00:04] <juxta> probably won't have on either
[00:04] <Randomskk> woo, software aprs might actuall ybe working
[00:04] <juxta> generally only older or really simplistic phones have real uarts these days, otheres just have virtual uarts over USB
[00:05] <juxta> the motorola c168i they suggest has one MikeMc68, and it's cheap - looks like about $25USD on ebay
[00:05] <MikeMc68> i'm sure i have some old phones somewhere
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[00:09] <Randomskk> woo, it is in fact working!
[00:10] <MikeMc68> what app?
[00:10] <Randomskk> xastir for the actual mapping etc and soundmodem for decoding the sounds
[00:10] <Randomskk> plus my ic7000 with a 2m/70cm whip
[00:10] <Randomskk> and I even got monitor mode working so I can hear it on the speakers
[00:11] <Randomskk> I guess PTT and transmission would be the next stage but connecting sound that direction is annoying and hard for the ic7000 due to no 3.5mm input jack, would require messing into the handset socket or using one of the scary accessory port things
[00:11] <MikeMc68> is this an alternative to fl-digi ?
[00:11] <Randomskk> or possibly buying a hardware tnc but that seems silly
[00:11] <Randomskk> well only for AX25 traffic
[00:11] <Randomskk> it doesn't do RTTY which is what we mostly use
[00:11] <MikeMc68> oh so this is not for HAB ?
[00:11] <Randomskk> but it will pick up a lot of people near me transmitting their position and stuff like that
[00:12] <Randomskk> it is for HAB using APRS, but we can't do that in the UK
[00:12] <Randomskk> a lot of US HAB stuff uses it though, I believe?
[00:12] <MikeMc68> k
[00:13] <juxta> Randomskk: yeah lots of the US guys use APRS, and people here have used it also
[00:13] <natrium42> APRS is too easy :P
[00:13] <juxta> heh
[00:13] <juxta> you need an advanced class license to use it here
[00:13] <juxta> which is somewhat of a pain
[00:16] <Randomskk> hmm however my music player has stopped
[00:16] <Randomskk> however I am picking up stations all over the place
[00:16] <Randomskk> a hardware tnc would probably be an easier option
[00:16] <Randomskk> I wonder how hard AX25 is to decode with an AVR
[00:17] <MikeMc68> probably relatively easy
[00:21] <Randomskk> looks like it has been done
[00:21] <Randomskk> tempting
[00:21] <Randomskk> add some rj11 jacks and I could plug it straight into my radio and computer via usb and just have a serial port tnc that can tx/rx
[00:22] <Randomskk> http://garydion.com/projects/whereavr/ for instance
[00:23] <Randomskk> not sure how good it is at decoding compared to anything else but probably sufficient
[00:23] <MikeMc68> cool
[00:25] Action: juxta discovered that the fldigi interpolator options can make a big difference in decoding performance
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[00:55] <MikeMc68> http://www.esawdust.com/products/egps/egps-fsa03-bkob.html
[01:03] <juxta> MikeMc68: 59.95 including the ublox? that's really cheap..
[01:09] <MikeMc68> yeah not bad at all
[01:09] <MikeMc68> wonder what shipping to UK would be
[01:10] <juxta> can't imagine it would be all that much
[01:10] <SpeedEvil> remember VAT and duty
[01:10] <SpeedEvil> potentially
[01:10] <SpeedEvil> also brokerage
[01:10] <MikeMc68> brokerage?
[01:11] <MikeMc68> Shipping is $33
[01:11] <MikeMc68> so $93 in total
[01:11] <SpeedEvil> If your package is sent royal mail - and gets caught - royal mail charge 8 quid to put it through
[01:11] <MikeMc68> £58
[01:11] <SpeedEvil> if it's sent FEDEX or DHL - then they submit it
[01:11] <MikeMc68> oh yeah
[01:11] <SpeedEvil> and you pay IIRC 15 quid for them doing that
[01:11] <MikeMc68> then you have to go to pick it up at the DHL centre and pay the fee before they give it to you... etc..
[01:11] <SpeedEvil> so 6% import duty + VAT + DHL fee
[01:12] <MikeMc68> I hate UPS the most
[01:12] <SpeedEvil> potentially
[01:12] <MikeMc68> you must pay the man at the door - with cash - no modern day credit cards or online payments allowed - and must have the correct amount
[01:12] <MikeMc68> who the fuck uses cash nowadays?
[01:12] <juxta> that's not much fun
[01:12] <juxta> luckily we have a limit of $1000AUD, below that you don't pay tax
[01:13] <MikeMc68> most of the time it is fine
[01:13] <MikeMc68> from time to time the customs men decide to open the boxes and see whats inside then charge you
[01:13] <juxta> :(
[01:13] <MikeMc68> and of course you have to pay the courier company
[01:13] <juxta> why do you have to pay the courier?
[01:13] <juxta> I don't understand that bit
[01:13] <MikeMc68> cos they pay the charge for you
[01:14] <juxta> isnt that what the shipping cost is for?
[01:14] <juxta> oh
[01:14] <MikeMc68> so then you pay them - plus 'tax'
[01:14] <juxta> they pay the customs charge?
[01:14] <MikeMc68> except RM i think - in which case you have to pay customs direct
[01:14] <MikeMc68> yeah but you don't get your parcel till you pay it first
[01:15] <juxta> I see
[01:15] <juxta> so what happens if you under declare?
[01:15] <juxta> ie on the package
[01:15] <juxta> if I send you a macbook pro and label it as $10
[01:15] <juxta> (and they open it& catch us)
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> juxta: they know how much stuff costs
[01:16] <MikeMc68> customs open the bo and will charge you on what they think the contents are worth
[01:16] <SpeedEvil> you may also be liable for fraud/forgery charges
[01:16] <juxta> SpeedEvil: yeah - I figured so, but do they just make you pay the difference?
[01:16] <juxta> ah, so there is the possibility of fraud etc
[01:21] <MikeMc68> ok bed time
[01:21] <MikeMc68> night all
[01:21] <juxta> night MikeMc68
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[01:54] <rjharrison> Hey juxta
[01:54] <rjharrison> Looking forward to friday
[01:56] <rjharrison> Hi SpeedEvil
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[02:01] <rjharrison> hey natrium42
[02:02] <rjharrison> Had a chat with jcoxon last night re storing data from the listener
[02:02] <natrium42> heya rob
[02:02] <rjharrison> I plan to implement customfields into to the XML
[02:02] <natrium42> cool
[02:02] <rjharrison> This could be used by the tracker to lable the custom fields
[02:03] <natrium42> you can do"data=temp1=25;temp3=26;pressure=123" right now
[02:03] <rjharrison> I could even indicate which ones to show on the tracker with some kind of flag in th XML
[02:03] <rjharrison> Cool
[02:03] <rjharrison> :)
[02:03] <rjharrison> I like that
[02:03] <natrium42> so title=value
[02:04] <rjharrison> yep
[02:04] <rjharrison> Ok so if I implement that and post the correct string it will work!
[02:04] <natrium42> kk, so i guess current 2 flights will be the old way?
[02:04] <rjharrison> Yep
[02:04] <natrium42> yeah, i just need to take out the custom formatting for ballast halo and horus
[02:05] <rjharrison> Absolutly or juxta and jc will be after me :)
[02:05] <natrium42> hehe
[02:05] <rjharrison> But we could test this in the near furture
[02:05] <natrium42> sure
[02:05] <rjharrison> I will record the rx audio and use that to play back into the listener at a later date
[02:06] <rjharrison> Though simulated data would do the trick
[02:06] <natrium42> might as well test the complete path
[02:06] <rjharrison> I was bitten to death by mosquitoes last night and its winter here I wonder how that works!
[02:07] <rjharrison> natrium42, my thought too
[02:07] <natrium42> haha, wow
[02:07] <rjharrison> Yep it's weird and very itchy
[02:07] <natrium42> i also want to add subdomains
[02:08] <rjharrison> Either that or the cat has killer fleas
[02:08] <rjharrison> Subdomains?
[02:08] <natrium42> so that you can go horus.spacenear.us or something similar
[02:08] <rjharrison> hehe cool
[02:08] <natrium42> would redirect to mission_id
[02:08] <natrium42> you can do that by adding wildcard domains to httpd.conf
[02:08] <rjharrison> cool have you implemented multiple missionid's
[02:09] <rjharrison> Yep
[02:09] <natrium42> not sure if i check them, but it's a small change
[02:09] <natrium42> the data field is there
[02:10] <natrium42> right now i am working on a different app
[02:10] <rjharrison> ie on friday will there be a missionid for horus and one for halo or will both be plotted on the same mission
[02:10] <natrium42> to send snapshot photos to the tracker
[02:10] <natrium42> should run in windows and osx
[02:10] <rjharrison> cool
[02:10] <natrium42> but you need a camera with remote capture
[02:11] <natrium42> canon dslr, some powershots and nikon dslr
[02:11] <rjharrison> hehe I have an old 20D kicking about
[02:11] <rjharrison> will have a play when it's ready
[02:12] <natrium42> should be today
[02:12] <rjharrison> even better
[02:12] <natrium42> :)
[02:13] <juxta> hey natrium42, rjharrison
[02:13] <natrium42> hi juxta
[02:13] <juxta> how's things? :)
[02:14] <natrium42> good, i decided to make an app instead of the crappy script
[02:14] <juxta> one of the hams helping me bought me another helium cylinder, what a champ :D
[02:14] <natrium42> ooh, nice
[02:14] <natrium42> so everything is ready for launch?
[02:14] <juxta> sure is
[02:14] <natrium42> excellent
[02:14] <juxta> i will write a checklist tonight
[02:15] <juxta> and make up the balloon train tomorrow probably
[02:15] <juxta> I need some wire to run from the payload to cutdown
[02:15] <juxta> something flexible enough & light enough
[02:19] <juxta> hey natrium42: that pressure sensor you used on HALO2, did that do 0-15ish PSI?
[02:19] <natrium42> just as long as it won't break
[02:20] <juxta> natrium42: the wire won't be carrying the load, so hopefully it wont break :)
[02:20] <natrium42> i used the Honeywell ASDX015A24R
[02:20] <juxta> I'll have to check it out
[02:20] <juxta> mine is only good upto about 45k feet
[02:21] <natrium42> so yes 0-15psi
[02:22] <natrium42> might just stop being linear past the min specified pressure
[02:22] <juxta> hmm
[02:22] <juxta> datasheet says it just zero's
[02:22] <juxta> :(
[02:22] <natrium42> ah...
[02:22] <natrium42> is it digital or analog?
[02:23] <rjharrison> Hi juxta back
[02:23] <rjharrison> Will have to go to bed soon
[02:23] <juxta> hey rjharrison
[02:24] <juxta> natrium42: analog
[02:24] <natrium42> weird
[02:24] <juxta> will you be up for the launch rjharrison? seems a bit late :)
[02:24] <rjharrison> Yep on friday morning 1 am?
[02:25] <rjharrison> I'm thinking it may be a bit later than that by the time you get lift off
[02:26] <juxta> 2am rjharrison
[02:26] <juxta> which is 12:30 our time
[02:26] <juxta> we'll be getting to the field around 9am for prep, just incase something goes wrong :)
[02:29] <natrium42> juxta, what's your timezone?
[02:30] <juxta> +10:30
[02:30] <juxta> atm
[02:30] <juxta> (DST is in effect)
[02:30] <juxta> usually it's +9:30
[02:30] <natrium42> :30 == freaky
[02:30] <juxta> ACST/ACDT
[02:31] <juxta> our timezone/dst is a bit of a pain
[02:31] <juxta> DST doesn't kick on at the same time each year
[02:31] <natrium42> so like +15:30 relative to me
[02:31] <juxta> it's like the first sunday of x month, something or other
[02:32] <juxta> and there was a bug with sipura gear which meant it was not possible to have working DST time on pretty much all sipura products where I live
[02:32] <juxta> :(
[02:32] <juxta> I own a bunch, haha
[02:32] <natrium42> :)
[02:32] <rjharrison> Juxta I will try to be arround but you have done lots of debugging
[02:33] <rjharrison> so I think it should all go without a hitch
[02:33] <juxta> we have offline tracking incase things go awry anyway :)
[02:33] <rjharrison> Cool what are you using for that
[02:33] <rjharrison> Google maps thing from Fergus?
[02:34] <juxta> rjharrison: I dont know that one, this is what i'm using:
[02:34] <juxta> http://www.oziexplorer.com/
[02:34] <juxta> it has an API, so i wrote some software to plot the balloon relative to us
[02:35] <juxta> it opens a socket to fldigi and grabs the decoded data, parses it and plots it to Ozi
[02:35] <juxta> what's the google maps thing from Fergus?
[02:40] <juxta> pign rjharrison
[02:40] <rjharrison> Fergus wrote something that used googlemaps offline to track balloon
[02:40] <rjharrison> sorry reading your website
[02:40] <juxta> ah no worries :)
[02:40] <rjharrison> Nice site I like the wordpress stuff
[02:42] <juxta> yeah it makes it quick :)
[02:42] <juxta> ugh it's so humid today
[02:43] <juxta> met says 60%, but I reckon it's more
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[02:47] <juxta> hey rjharrison, what's the highest the UKHAS launches have reached?
[02:55] <N900evil> there iks a records page oln the wiki
[02:55] <N900evil> I forget where
[02:55] <N900evil> wow
[02:56] <N900evil> just realised I typed both of those lines with eyes closed :)
[03:00] <juxta> heh
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[03:04] <rjharrison> juxta, some target practice for you http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[03:05] <juxta> ehhe just had a look rjharrison
[03:05] <juxta> won't crack those on this launch
[03:05] <juxta> but next one I'm planning on being as light as possible
[03:05] <juxta> + a big balloon
[03:06] <rjharrison> I have a 3kg balloon waiting for optimal conditions for a UK / world record
[03:06] <rjharrison> :)
[03:06] <juxta> hehe nice :D
[03:07] <juxta> i have a spare 1500
[03:07] <juxta> for the next one
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[03:14] <rjharrison> Right nights all
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[05:02] <natrium42> juxta, zomg, it's working
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[08:00] <juxta> hey natrium42, you around?
[08:01] <MikeMc68> morning
[08:01] <juxta> hey MikeMc68
[08:02] <natrium42> juxta, sup?
[08:04] <juxta> not much
[08:04] <juxta> im at work
[08:04] <juxta> 'sif you're not in bed
[08:04] <natrium42> i am about to go
[08:04] <juxta> oh
[08:04] <juxta> ok
[08:04] <juxta> well I was just going to say
[08:05] <juxta> I remember a project of yours a while ago - a DS with wheels and a camera etc that drove about
[08:05] <juxta> you could steer it over the net
[08:05] <natrium42> yeah, robods
[08:05] <juxta> yeah
[08:06] <juxta> did you work with a guy called Shlee on that?
[08:06] <MikeMc68> How did the DS connect to the internet?
[08:06] <juxta> MikeMc68: wifi
[08:06] <natrium42> not on that, but i was helping him with his dev-scene.com website
[08:06] <natrium42> how do you know him?
[08:07] <juxta> I used to work with him
[08:07] <juxta> hehe
[08:07] <juxta> he showed me the robods thing a couple of years back
[08:08] <juxta> he lives in Adelaide, same as me
[08:08] <natrium42> cool, it's a small world :)
[08:08] <juxta> indeed, hehe
[08:08] <juxta> anyway, that's all, you can sleep now :P
[08:09] <natrium42> XD
[08:09] <natrium42> g'nite
[08:09] <juxta> what time is it over there btw?
[08:09] <natrium42> 3am
[08:09] <juxta> haha
[08:09] <juxta> alright, night :)
[08:09] <natrium42> nn
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[11:26] <jonsowman> hi edmoore
[11:27] <jonsowman> you around?
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[12:41] <jonsowman> edmoore?
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[16:09] <Randomskk> anyone used xastir?
[16:11] <Randomskk> huh
[16:11] <Randomskk> I see M0TEC
[16:11] <Randomskk> ah, distinct from M0TEK however
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[16:31] <MikeMc68> evening
[16:32] <Randomskk> yo
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[17:12] <jonsowman> hi edmoore
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[18:32] <edmoore> jonsowman: hello
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[18:32] <edmoore> sorry, we are ships in t'night
[18:32] <edmoore> \
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[18:45] <jonsowman> haha ok
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[18:51] <Hiena> ' evening!
[18:55] <Hiena> If anybody knows Robert Truax addresses, feel free to tell me. I want to send him a bottle of champagne as salute on his genius.
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[19:02] <edmoore> Hiena: who is he?
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[19:05] <Hiena> I read his work about the Sea Dragon concept, and some papers about the pressure fed rocket engines.
[19:06] <Hiena> That made me want to go into the basement and cook up some household hydrogen-peroxid to rocket fuel grade.
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[19:08] <Hiena> Luckily at this moment i had only 3 dl at home, which would be only 0.4-0.6 dl, after the process.
[19:11] <SpeedEvil> where are you Hiena?
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> somewhere I've got a source for 98% HTP in pallete quantitiew
[19:12] <Hiena> Don't be afraid, you are out of the estimated blast radius, of my house.
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> pallet
[19:12] <Hiena> I'm still in Hungary.
[19:13] <SpeedEvil> IIRC 600e for 360l
[19:14] <Hiena> Ouch. Still pricey.
[19:15] <Hiena> Where it's located?
[19:17] <Hiena> Btw. If you are familiar of the process, did you ever noticed, how similar the setup with the moonshiner?
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> that was shipped to the UK
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> y7ou are aware you can get vapour phase explosions?
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[19:27] <Hiena> Yup, since my first nitro explosion, if i mess with chemicals, i monitors and control the temperatures as the hell. The vapour phase at my case very short and the temperature drop steep in the cooler. I keeps the collecting flask around 0 degree.
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[20:39] <MikeMc68> Evening
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[20:57] <natrium42> o/
[20:58] <adhoc> morning all
[20:59] <adhoc> anyone know about the balloon launch here in sound australia friday or saturday?
[21:00] Action: SpeedEvil looks at the australian inthe channel that he can't remember the name of.
[21:00] <MikeMc68> juxta
[21:00] <MikeMc68> hoping to launch Saturday
[21:01] <adhoc> ah good, will have to work on the morrow
[21:01] <natrium42> MikeMc68, well, it's going to be on Friday in australia time :P
[21:01] <adhoc> have lined up a mate with a 70cm radio in his car
[21:02] <natrium42> or no?
[21:02] <adhoc> oh
[21:02] <adhoc> natrium42: thats a good point
[21:03] <natrium42> "Launch date is set for Friday the 5th of Feb, 02:00 UTC!"
[21:03] <natrium42> from his twitter
[21:04] <adhoc> damn ... i'm going to miss it =/
[21:04] <natrium42> adhoc, you're in aussie land?
[21:04] <adhoc> just up the road from the launch location
[21:04] <natrium42> ah, cool
[21:05] <natrium42> so it is on saturday in your time
[21:05] <Laurenceb> natrium42: any chance of you know what?
[21:05] <Laurenceb> data :P
[21:05] <natrium42> haha :S
[21:06] Action: Laurenceb is getting annoyed by hot wire anemometers
[21:06] <adhoc> 0200 utc +1030 is lunch time
[21:06] <adhoc> friday
[21:06] <Laurenceb> seems the oxidation rate I got from incadescent bulb data is off by 2 orders of mangitude
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> ;/
[21:06] <Laurenceb> at 500C constant temperature its already showing signs of burning out after 1 hour
[21:07] <Laurenceb> looks ok at 400C
[21:07] <Hiena> Laurenceb, if you want to throw away, tell me where you will throw it. Inee an anemometer.
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> 500C is quite hot
[21:07] <Laurenceb> the incandescent data is approx an order of mag in lifetime per 100C
[21:07] <MikeMc68> natrium42 you are in Canada right?
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> err - is that oxidation though
[21:08] <Laurenceb> also above about 450C seems there is a odd hysteresis effect
[21:08] <natrium42> MikeMc68, yep, ontario
[21:08] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: the room temperature resistance has increased
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> iirc there is a phase of tungsten
[21:08] <Laurenceb> hmm interesting
[21:08] <MikeMc68> in that launch video of yours are you guys talking French?
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> a phasechange about 300C or so
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> I forger the exact number
[21:08] <Laurenceb> I thought there may be a phase effect going on as well
[21:08] <MikeMc68> Cos it doesn't sound like French
[21:08] <natrium42> adhoc, 0200 utc friday == 1230 utc+1030 saturday
[21:09] <Hiena> Laurenceb, i used to run resistors at 100 degre with similar setup. Thought never tried to run over 200 degree.
[21:09] <natrium42> or am i missing something?
[21:09] <natrium42> MikeMc68, russian
[21:09] <MikeMc68> i thought it sounded more Eastern European
[21:09] <MikeMc68> So why Russian in Canada?
[21:09] <adhoc> natrium42: 0200 utc is friday morning right?
[21:09] <MikeMc68> You not from Canada originally?
[21:09] <Laurenceb> Hiena: http://i.imgur.com/8JXqJ.jpg
[21:10] <natrium42> MikeMc68, i got citizenship of worlds two largest countries :P
[21:10] <Laurenceb> thats my setup
[21:10] <Laurenceb> "grain of rice" lamp decanned
[21:10] <MikeMc68> Cool
[21:10] <Laurenceb> in the middle of a pop rivet
[21:10] <MikeMc68> LauranceB - seriously, get a better camera :P
[21:10] <natrium42> adhoc, yes, if you are located ner greenwich
[21:10] <natrium42> *near
[21:11] <Laurenceb> the main thing I'm worried about is damage to the filament
[21:11] <Laurenceb> as its rather fragile
[21:11] <adhoc> natrium42: yes, so you add out time offset for summer time which is 10:30
[21:11] <Hiena> Laurenceb, Ohohoho, did'nt you noticed some delay in the measurement?
[21:11] <adhoc> natrium42: its 12:30pm local
[21:11] <jcoxon> evening all
[21:11] <adhoc> lunch time friday
[21:11] <natrium42> ah
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[21:11] <natrium42> you're right
[21:11] <natrium42> i am an idiot :P
[21:11] <adhoc> natrium42: its ok =)
[21:12] <Laurenceb> Hiena: its very fast
[21:12] <natrium42> Hi Dr. Coxon
[21:12] <Laurenceb> thats only 2mm inside diameter
[21:12] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!jcoxon@host86-173-135-66.range86-173.btcentralplus.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, wiki.ukhas.org.uk, Project Horus Launch 02:00UTC 05/06/10
[21:12] <jcoxon> natrium42, hey, though not a Dr yet
[21:12] <adhoc> natrium42: i've had a bit to do with converting times around utc, working in AU and teleconferencing to the US and UK
[21:12] <Hiena> Yeah, but the weldings at the connections makes a funny effect.
[21:13] <natrium42> jcoxon, pfft
[21:13] Action: Laurenceb is tempted to go for PT100 at much low temperature
[21:13] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!jcoxon@host86-173-135-66.range86-173.btcentralplus.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, wiki.ukhas.org.uk, Project Horus Launch 02:00UTC 05/06/10 http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[21:13] <jcoxon> natrium42, 4 months time - yes
[21:13] <jcoxon> :-p
[21:13] <adhoc> maybe i can get tomorrow off to go see the launch
[21:13] <natrium42> ooh, cool
[21:13] <Laurenceb> and account for air temperature, instead of using such a high temp that its insignificant
[21:13] <adhoc> jcoxon: you doing a Phd?
[21:14] <jcoxon> medicine
[21:14] <adhoc> noice
[21:14] <Laurenceb> Hiena: I'm using it in constant temperature mode
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[21:15] <adhoc> anyhow, i have to head off to work now, laters
[21:15] <natrium42> later
[21:16] <adhoc> natrium42: oh, is juxta normally on irc this time of day?
[21:16] <Laurenceb> bbl
[21:16] <natrium42> sometimes
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> adhoc: usually in 3-6 hours
[21:16] Action: natrium42 pokes juxta
[21:16] <adhoc> ah, cool
[21:16] <adhoc> thanks guys =)
[21:17] <Hiena> Laurenceb, I had similar problem until i not changed the setup. The leads should be thiner as the heat element.
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[21:17] <adhoc> laters
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[21:30] <jcoxon> evening RocketBoy
[21:30] <RocketBoy> yo jcoxon
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[21:31] <jcoxon> hows it going :-)
[21:31] <RocketBoy> just building up 3 transmitters at the mo
[21:31] <RocketBoy> (HF)
[21:31] <jcoxon> oh great
[21:32] <RocketBoy> need some more components from rapid to come through
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:33] <jcoxon> hi Lunar_Lander
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> I think I landed in the right place
[21:34] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> I am a physics student from germany and I am really interested in stratosphere ballooning
[21:35] <jcoxon> great, this is the place
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:35] <natrium42> hi Lunar_Lander
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> I just came across the UKHAS page and there was the IRC link, so I added it and now I'm here :)
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> hello natrium42
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> well, I once planned to do science ascents with a gas balloon and a pilot, but that would have cost 1000 Euros per flight
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> then, last week, I considered using an unmanned vehicle
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> and you are all into balloons? or also rockets and so on
[21:45] <natrium42> some of us are
[21:45] <natrium42> like RocketBoy and edmoore
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[21:48] <Laurenceb> Hiena: interesting
[21:48] <Laurenceb> the voltage across the bridge is about 800mv static
[21:48] <Laurenceb> then increasing to 900 at about 1m/s
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> Woo. nokia.co.uk study - on completion 50 quid.
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> That takes the price to silly levels.
[21:48] <Laurenceb> so the static energy loss is significant, I guess due to the legs
[21:49] <Laurenceb> study?
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> 499 - with 15%+15%+15% off, with 50 quid from topcashback, and 50 quid from the study.
[21:49] <Hiena> Laurenceb, if the leads thicker they will move the heat from the wire to the housing and it will makes a drift.
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> though not available anymore - I just got randomly selected
[21:50] <Laurenceb> Hiena: yeah thats what I've seen
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> I am also 'into' rockets - but only in the sense that I would like to have ~100K to make a stab at building one.
[21:50] <Hiena> The thin leads prevent it, due it will works as a heat trap.
[21:50] <Laurenceb> e.g. holding the housing shifts the output
[21:50] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: easy
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> well - a small production line.
[21:50] <Laurenceb> spin stabilised rockoon
[21:50] <Laurenceb> Hiena: I plan to try pt100 instead
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, money always is a problem
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> yeah. I prefer my original design - multistage.
[21:50] <Laurenceb> eww
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> but...
[21:51] <Laurenceb> I need to write up my nprize design
[21:51] <Laurenceb> too lazy :(
[21:52] <Hiena> Also, it's kind of two face situation. If you increase the heat of the wire it will more sensitive to the flow, if reduce the temperature it will be less drift.
[21:52] <Laurenceb> yeah
[21:52] <Laurenceb> my plan is to use either two pt100 sensors
[21:53] <Laurenceb> or maybe one with some clever signal processing
[21:53] <Laurenceb> one for temperature, one at t_air+50C or so
[21:53] <Hiena> The resolution 1206 size resistor as heating element glued to the resistors.
[21:53] <Laurenceb> or that yes
[21:54] <Laurenceb> but you cant get resistors with consistent temp coefficients
[21:54] <Laurenceb> unless.. pt100 sensors
[21:54] <Hiena> One PT100 as sensor and an another on the housing.
[21:54] <Laurenceb> also you can pt100 thin film with faster response
[21:55] <Laurenceb> or just two thin film sensors sticking out of the top of the wing or whatever
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> people I'm sorry to say that I need to depart again
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> but I have to catch some sleep
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> I'll be back tomorrow
[21:55] <natrium42> g'nite
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> thank you!
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> see you
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[21:55] <Hiena> Btw. with same setup possible to make a damn sensitive variometer.
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[21:56] <SpeedEvil> variometer = differentuial pressure guage?
[21:57] <Laurenceb> I was working on a thin film sensor with exomars a couple of years back
[21:57] <Laurenceb> 4 kapton film sensors
[21:57] <Laurenceb> giving 2D wind vector, atmospheric temperature and pressure
[21:58] <Laurenceb> not sure what the current plans are... there was going to be a pop up "tail" from CF tube with a few atmospheric instruments on the end
[21:58] <Hiena> Jup. Set two small diameter tube into a container each points to the heat element. Connect one tube to a empty bottle and you are done.
[21:58] <Laurenceb> neat
[21:59] <Laurenceb> my hot wire sensor is crazy sensitive - mapped out the convection currents in my house
[21:59] <Laurenceb> few mm/sec
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[22:00] <Hiena> Ehem. I made capacitive pressure sensor from condom. Guess i sill has a variometer on the self, with that sensor.
[22:00] <Laurenceb> I still cant work out the hysteresis effect
[22:00] <Laurenceb> lol
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[22:00] <Laurenceb> its like there are two energy dissapation solutions for a givent element temperature
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> have you looked up the phase states of tantalum
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> err
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> titanuium
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> err
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> tungsten
[22:02] <Laurenceb> :P
[22:02] <Hiena> Well, time to going to sleep... Good night all!
[22:02] <Laurenceb> cya
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[22:09] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: any idea where?
[22:10] <Laurenceb> no wolfram alpha data :(
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> Wacky.
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> Did you know there are no stable isotopes of tungsten?
[22:12] <Laurenceb> yeah
[22:12] <Laurenceb> http://www.ukpaints.co.uk/autok_special.php
[22:12] <Laurenceb> hmm could try and coat it with that
[22:13] <Laurenceb> 10^18 years
[22:13] <Laurenceb> lmao
[22:13] <natrium42> woot
[22:13] <Laurenceb> nooo
[22:13] <Laurenceb> his ego will flatten freenode
[22:13] <natrium42> make some room then!
[22:14] <natrium42> it's finite, right?
[22:14] <Laurenceb> I think it exists in a parallel universe
[22:14] <Laurenceb> hes a multidimensional ego monster
[22:15] <Laurenceb> hmm nice http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=6667353
[22:17] <Laurenceb> I'll probably try a couple of pt100 sensors with an avr
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1994-12.html - ontopic.
[22:20] <MikeMc68> lol
[22:20] <MikeMc68> I want to see the video
[22:20] <Laurenceb> prob on ebaums world or something
[22:25] <Laurenceb> looks like the commercial hot wire sensors have a pt100 built in for compensation, then run the element at a much lower temperature
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[23:05] <jcoxon> hi darknesslord-mx
[23:05] <darknesslord-mx> jcoxon: hello!
[23:05] <jcoxon> welcome to #highaltitude - lots of newcomers today
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[23:06] <MikeMc68> hi
[23:07] <MikeMc68> jcoxon is the launch on sat going to be morning or afternoon?
[23:07] <jcoxon> afternoon
[23:07] <jcoxon> 15:00
[23:07] <jcoxon> UTC
[23:07] <MikeMc68> ahh
[23:07] <MikeMc68> cool
[23:07] <MikeMc68> I have to go into London for 10am for a few hours
[23:08] <jcoxon> need to launch at 15:00 to catch sunset when we are ~20km altitude
[23:08] <MikeMc68> I doubt i'll be back for 15:00 but it will only be an hour or so after that
[23:08] <MikeMc68> so i can listen once i get home
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[23:08] <jcoxon> great
[23:08] <jcoxon> you'll be well placed
[23:08] <darknesslord-mx> jcoxon: thanks! This is not my first time here; but I updated my O.S. and erase my IRC client. I love this channel!
[23:08] <jcoxon> it'll come through essex and across the thames estaury
[23:08] <jcoxon> darknesslord-mx, oh right, oops sorry
[23:09] <MikeMc68> got to do something in work that can only be done saturday morning unfortunately
[23:09] <jcoxon> you won't miss anything, and its going to have a slow ascent rate
[23:09] <MikeMc68> ok so i'll still be able to listen as it passes by
[23:09] <MikeMc68> cool
[23:09] <MikeMc68> have you spoken with HAM's on the continent and got them involved?
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[23:09] <jcoxon> got the french guys involved
[23:09] <MikeMc68> cool
[23:10] <jcoxon> once we decide to launch tomorrow evening i'll start organising listeners on the path
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[23:10] <jcoxon> the french guys are really keen
[23:10] <MikeMc68> great
[23:11] <jcoxon> darknesslord-mx, its a good channel :-p
[23:12] <MikeMc68> what's your involvement in HAB darknesslord-mx ?
[23:12] <darknesslord-mx> jcoxon: also, i've learned a lot from you, guys
[23:13] <darknesslord-mx> MikeMc68: I'm working in the launch of a HAB in my city (Colima, Mexico).
[23:14] <MikeMc68> Oh
[23:15] <MikeMc68> Mexico
[23:15] <MikeMc68> Lots of green areas near you
[23:15] <MikeMc68> and mountains
[23:15] <MikeMc68> plenty of launch sites
[23:16] <MikeMc68> ooh and a volcano too
[23:17] <jcoxon> yay sim flight has reached float and is pumping :-p
[23:17] <MikeMc68> great
[23:19] <RocketBoy> nights
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[23:21] <MikeMc68> cya
[23:21] <darknesslord-mx> MikeMc68: yes, the volcano is 30 km. near from my house (~18 miles) and the city is surrounded by mountains
[23:26] <MikeMc68> looks nice on google maps
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[23:34] Action: natrium42 pokes juxta
[23:40] <jcoxon> not long till juxta launch
[23:40] <jcoxon> natrium42, cool photos
[23:40] <natrium42> :)
[23:40] <natrium42> http://spacenear.us/snapshots/screenshot.png
[23:40] <natrium42> finished the app
[23:41] <natrium42> file in same folder, but i didn't compile it for osx yet
[23:42] <jcoxon> wow a whole app
[23:42] <jcoxon> so what camera do you need?
[23:42] <natrium42> most canon DSLRs, certain canon powerhots
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[23:43] <natrium42> i can also add Nikon quickly
[23:43] <natrium42> (also DSLRs)
[23:43] <jcoxon> maybe edmoore has a compatible camera
[23:44] <natrium42> hi edmoore, do you have a Canon DSLR or a PowerShot?
[23:44] <jcoxon> :-)
[23:47] <edmoore> natrium42: not on me
[23:47] <edmoore> gtg
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[23:47] <natrium42> haha
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[23:52] <natrium42> jcoxon, better? http://spacenear.us/tracker/index-test.php
[23:55] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:55] Action: jcoxon is waiting for the payload to finish dumping ballast before he can go to bed
[23:56] <natrium42> hehe
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