highaltitude.log.20100125

[00:16] <Laurenceb> 1.0197e+03 9.4417e+02 1.0242e+03 -2.3891e-04 -1.6753e-04 2.2742e-04
[00:16] <Laurenceb> thats what it converges as
[00:16] <Laurenceb> gains and biases for x,y,z
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> Interesting. Need to at some point write a thingy to generate that and stick it in /etc - and have the driver know about it
[00:30] <SpeedEvil> yeah - USB -> UAV comms with decent performance would be neat.
[00:30] <SpeedEvil> And - back in bed now - and trying to get to sleep again - night+thanks!
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[07:33] <juxta> I just heard back from CASA
[07:33] <juxta> they still haven't approved my launch
[07:33] <juxta> 3 weeks ago the approval was '2 days away'
[08:07] <Twiner> :/
[08:17] <Twiner> Damn bueraucrats.
[08:22] <juxta> I wouldn't mind so much if they didnt charge like a wounded bull
[08:22] <juxta> or if like everybody else in the world they invoiced you once the job was done, rather than asking to be paid upfront
[08:23] <Twiner> juxta: Are you funding your project all by yourself?
[08:23] <juxta> yeah, I am
[08:24] <Twiner> Wow.
[08:25] <Twiner> That's commitment. :
[08:25] <juxta> I'm hinting to CASA that I am dependant on funding & time pressures so that they might hurry up though
[08:25] <Twiner> :D *
[08:26] <Twiner> How much do you think this project will have cost you when yu're ready to launch? Just curious, you see.
[08:26] <juxta> the flight itself is not overly costly
[08:26] <juxta> the main cost is the helium & the balloon really
[08:27] <juxta> the ground gear (radio etc) is a bit more pricey
[08:27] <juxta> the total value of the payload is perhaps a couple of hundred dollars
[08:27] <Twiner> I see.
[08:27] <juxta> plus ~$150 for the helium & $75ish for the balloon
[08:28] <Twiner> That's not bad at all.
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[08:28] <juxta> there's the cost of the CASA approval for me too though
[08:28] <juxta> so far they've charged me $240
[08:28] <Twiner> I were thinking more in the $1000-ish area.
[08:28] <Twiner> !
[08:28] <Twiner> For a simple approval?
[08:29] <juxta> the total project cost is probably more like $1000, including my radio
[08:30] <juxta> yeah, it's terrible. CASA has a big conflict of interests here - they're a regulator, they make the laws etc, and they are a provider of services - aircraft inspection, air charts, that sort of thing
[08:30] <juxta> essentially they're pretty well setup to charge whatever they like, despite the fact that they are tax payer funded
[08:31] <Twiner> What you need, is some sort of power backing up your 'research'.
[08:31] <juxta> Twiner: what do you mean?
[08:32] <Twiner> School, university, research institute, politicians, friends in the CASA itself...
[08:33] <juxta> I could get my University involved, but I don't think they'd have much more success in penetrating the fortress of ineptitude that is CASA
[08:33] <juxta> they'd just get me to do all the legwork anyway I'm sure ;p
[08:34] <Twiner> I bet that if an university provided you help on the regulatory part. At least they have much more ifluence in the system, that is, the government, than a single independent person.
[08:34] <juxta> universities are private enterprises here
[08:34] <Twiner> Oh.
[08:34] <juxta> :'(
[08:35] <Twiner> Well, that's out the window, then.
[08:35] <juxta> as for knowing someone in CASA... I have a friend who knows someone who used to work for CASA - but I don't think they can help :(
[08:36] <juxta> I just emailed the guy I'm dealing with & mentioned that I'd raise the matter with the CASA complaints commisioner if we didn't hear something back soon
[08:36] <juxta> though I'm not sure if that will actually speed things up
[08:36] <Twiner> Maybe the canadian meteorological institute could help you, if you gave the meteorological data back to them?
[08:36] <juxta> probably just get more people involved and require more forms be filled in
[08:37] <juxta> Twiner: I'm in Australia - but I dont think our met beuro would be interested :(
[08:37] <juxta> they launch met balloons every day, I've chased a couple of them
[08:37] <Twiner> Australia, of course. My mistake. Terribly sorry.
[08:37] <Twiner> ;)
[08:38] <juxta> heh
[08:38] <juxta> it's a joke really - CASA are so anal about approval etc, but the met beuro get exemption from what I understand
[08:38] <Twiner> Well, maybe you could connect with just the right persons there.
[08:38] <juxta> their balloon launching station is at the airport
[08:39] <juxta> hmm, I had thought about it
[08:39] <juxta> it's probably worth emailing them, though I dont think they'd want the liability etc
[08:40] <Twiner> You just need them to make a phone call to CASA. ;)
[08:40] <juxta> haha
[08:40] <juxta> tomorrow is a public holiday too
[08:40] <Twiner> Aw.
[08:40] <juxta> meaning it's pretty much impossible that i'll hear anything this week
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[08:45] <Twiner> Well. I hope you get the approval approved soon. This'll be exciting to watch once you're clear of the paper chaos that's in the CASA.
[08:46] <Twiner> (:
[08:46] <Twiner> -chaos, +storm*
[08:49] <Twiner> Err. Talking to a ghost.
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[08:54] <Twiner> Well. I hope you get the approval approved soon. This'll be exciting to watch once you're clear of the paper storm that's in the CASA.
[08:54] <juxta> :)
[08:54] <juxta> thanks Twiner
[08:54] <Twiner> (;
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[11:53] <rjharrison> morning all
[11:53] <rjharrison> Evening juxta
[11:53] <juxta> hey rjharrison
[11:53] <rjharrison> I'm sure this has been picked up one here
[11:54] <rjharrison> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8475288.stm
[11:54] <rjharrison> juxta any news on launch
[11:54] <juxta> nice, I hadn't seen this one :D
[11:54] <juxta> rjharrison: nah, CASA still haven't come through
[11:55] <juxta> tomorrow is a public holdiay also, so I won't hear anything further till wed
[12:01] <rjharrison> I gather you are ready to roll
[12:01] <rjharrison> from jcoxon
[12:01] <juxta> yeah
[12:01] <juxta> just waiting on permission to come through
[12:03] <rjharrison> Cool you will have let us know when you launch
[12:03] <rjharrison> should be good times as it will be dark here when light for you
[12:10] <rjharrison> juxta, PM'ed you my email
[12:27] <juxta> alright - will shoot you an email when I have a date rjharrison :)
[12:28] <juxta> rjharrison: natrium gave me a url to insert points into the tracker - think he'd mind if I have our chase cars post their positions
[12:28] <juxta> ?
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[14:17] <rjharrison> juxta, no that will work
[14:17] <rjharrison> He won't mind
[14:17] <juxta> cool :)
[14:17] <juxta> I'll write it into our apps then, seeing as I have lots of time while I wait for approval
[14:17] <rjharrison> You acn do the same on my tracker too and they should propagte to natriums site
[14:18] <juxta> rjharrison - I don't know the protocol to post to your site
[14:18] <juxta> is it on a wiki somewhere?
[14:19] <juxta> ive got to head off to bed shortly, it's late here
[14:19] <rjharrison> juxta, http://www.robertharrison.org/svn/filedetails.php?repname=the-icarus-project&path=%2Frelated-software%2Fgpstrack-0.1b%2Ftrack
[14:20] <rjharrison> This is the linux script to post to the server from my usb gps tracking program
[14:20] <rjharrison> Basically it's the same as natrium's as the map is his
[14:20] <rjharrison> With a few mods from me
[14:21] <rjharrison> My projects is the server side of the distributed listener
[14:21] <rjharrison> juxta fee free to knick the C dose if you like
[14:21] <rjharrison> nick
[14:30] <juxta> sweet, will get onto it rjharrison :)
[14:31] <juxta> just need to write some sort of wrapper so that our mapping software can use the port for the GPS in additional to the position tracking software
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[14:34] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: your accels are odd
[14:34] <Laurenceb_> virtually no bias
[14:35] <Laurenceb_> maybe its my code - it doesnt converge very well either - about twice as much residual as the sparkfun 6DOF imu
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> I suppose the factory cal may be better than I thought
[14:36] <Laurenceb_> 1.0197e+03 9.4417e+02 1.0242e+03 -2.3891e-04 -1.6753e-04 2.2742e-04
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> that is ratehr small indeed
[14:37] <Laurenceb_> thats x,y,z gain followed by bias
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> especially given that the resolution is 16mG
[14:37] <Laurenceb_> hmm maybe somethings wrong with my code
[14:37] <Laurenceb_> but it works for the sparkfun imu
[14:38] <Laurenceb_> gains are quite variable tho
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> Or maybe I just happend to get a wel calibrated unit
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[14:41] <SpeedEvil> Okaaay. I diddn't realise it'd got that large. I was about to uload a static drift rest file - when I realised it was 700M
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> ah - I forgot to kill the collecotr last night
[14:42] <Laurenceb_> heh
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[14:48] <Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/m983cfe
[14:48] <Laurenceb_> made it a bit easier to setup
[14:48] <Laurenceb_> it runs until it stops converging very much
[14:50] <Laurenceb_> bbl
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[17:23] <rjmunro> I've been looking at the pseudocode here: http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo:ballasthalo4
[17:23] <rjmunro> What happens if it goes straight from ascending to descending & doesn't stay in hover very long?
[17:24] <rjmunro> I think it would be good to dump some ballast in this case.
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[18:05] Action: SpeedEvil wonders WTF someone would work on packaging up latex for the n900.
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[19:14] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:17] <sbasuita> jcoxon, i've finally packaged up your radio
[19:17] <sbasuita> jcoxon, will send via special delivery for compensation if it gets lost
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[19:21] <jcoxon> sbasuita, great
[19:21] <jcoxon> thanks for sending it back
[19:21] <jcoxon> have you guys got a radio yet?
[19:21] <sbasuita> jcoxon, no, not yet, but hopefully soon
[19:23] <jcoxon> guess i'm losing a key listening post :-(
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[19:46] <russss> I'm going to try and get the stuff together next week
[19:46] <russss> but I also need to put the software together. And mount an antenna somehow
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[19:47] <jcoxon> russss, :-)
[19:48] <russss> I'd like to write a RTTY decoder for GNU Radio, but I suspect the easiest way would be to somehow shim the audio through to dl-fldigi
[19:51] <SpeedEvil> IIRC laurenceb did some rtty stuff - I don't know how far he went
[19:52] <Randomskk> I think edmoore was working on an improved rtty decoder too
[19:52] <russss> personally I think gnu radio would be quite a good framework for this stuff. If it was documented more.
[19:53] <jcoxon> russss, oh i agree
[19:53] <russss> maybe I am just succumbing to the sexy UI of grc http://www.joshknows.com/images/grc/grc_usrp_wbfm_recv.png
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[21:39] <jcoxon> dum dee dum dum
[21:39] Action: jcoxon is running realtime sims on BH4
[21:39] <edmoore> HITL?
[21:40] <jcoxon> ?
[21:40] <jcoxon> not sure what that is :-)
[21:40] <jcoxon> oh hardware-in-the-loop?
[21:41] <edmoore> yar
[21:41] <edmoore> embedded control buzzword
[21:41] <edmoore> you just sound cool if you're an embedded programmer and you're doing it
[21:42] <jcoxon> i'm not really - just running fake gps of BH2 and BH3 through the flight computer to see how it reacts
[21:42] <jcoxon> though don't adapt the gps track if we dump ballast or not
[21:43] <edmoore> so at 30km altitude the boiling point of alcohol is 2 degrees c
[21:43] <edmoore> just for fun
[21:43] <edmoore> so don't go too mad on heating
[21:43] <jcoxon> no heating at the mo
[21:44] <jcoxon> but good point
[21:45] <jcoxon> right bbl
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> hello
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> jcoxon: we can stick the alcohol outside
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> I email Rodger Farley the envelope specs btw
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> *emailed
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> russss: rather than gnu-radio, use a chipcon eval board from mouser
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[22:02] <Laurenceb_> but of course if you can afford gnu radio...
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> :P
[22:06] <Laurenceb_> natrium42: any chance of recording some data from your IMU?
[22:06] <natrium42> ohi
[22:06] <natrium42> hmm
[22:06] <natrium42> maybe next week?
[22:07] <Laurenceb_> sure whenever
[22:07] <natrium42> this week is too busy
[22:07] <Laurenceb_> np
[22:07] <natrium42> but keep bugging me
[22:07] <Laurenceb_> heh
[22:07] <natrium42> otherwise i get distracted by shiny things :)
[22:07] <Laurenceb_> yeah its a bit of a PITA as the board needs to be modified
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[22:09] <rjharrison_> Evening all
[22:09] <rjharrison_> jcoxon, did you get my email
[22:10] <rjharrison_> I have ordered one of those antennas to see how it performs
[22:10] <rjharrison_> Hi edmoore
[22:10] <rjharrison_> Evening natrium42
[22:10] <natrium42> hey rjharrison_
[22:11] <rjharrison_> So you're flying accross the pond then
[22:12] <rjharrison_> For anything in particular?
[22:12] <rjharrison_> natrium42, I'v been a bit absent lately due to moving house and having tones of DIY to do
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[22:13] <natrium42> ah, well me too kinda
[22:13] <rjharrison_> Yey DanielRichman
[22:13] <rjharrison_> Is that yagi working?
[22:13] <natrium42> assignments etc & work...
[22:14] <rjharrison_> Cool how long are you in London for
[22:14] <rjharrison_> would be good to meet up even if it is only for a coffee
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[22:32] <natrium42> rjharrison_, i am not in london
[22:33] <natrium42> where did you get that from? :P
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[23:05] <jcoxon> hey all
[23:06] <SpeedEvil> hey
[23:06] <jcoxon> rjharrison_, its Alex not Alexei who is coming to london
[23:06] <jcoxon> payload is at 23km alt
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: At least you're quite likely to get the payload back. Barring wierd comedy accidents.
[23:08] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:08] <jcoxon> its annoying having to wait for the early bits of the flight
[23:09] <jcoxon> its not going to float till after midnight - should have started it running as soon as i got home
[23:12] <natrium42> wait launch is on?
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[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Virtually.
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Only
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> fake data into payload
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[23:17] <natrium42> ah
[23:17] <jcoxon> tis the BH3 flight
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