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[08:13] <MikeMc> MORNING
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[11:53] <juxta> hi all
[11:53] <MikeMc> hi juxta
[11:53] Action: juxta thinks he'll be launching on Sunday
[11:53] <MikeMc> cool :)
[11:54] <juxta> :D
[11:54] <juxta> now if I could only get EAGLE to behave...
[11:58] <MikeMc> yeah it's a steep learning curve with that
[12:00] <juxta> it's vanished all my components in board view
[12:00] <juxta> can't work out how to turn them all back on
[12:04] <MikeMc> darnit
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[15:13] <juxta> hrm
[15:13] <juxta> looks like landing predictions have changed a bit for this Sunday
[15:13] <MikeMc> :O
[15:13] <juxta> & i'll be going very close to military restricted airspace
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[15:13] <juxta> CASA will kill me if I go into mil airspace :(
[15:15] <russss> your airspace is fucked up
[15:18] <russss> I don't believe that the UK has any "military" airspace above FL245
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[15:18] <juxta> russss: tell me about it
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[15:19] <juxta> military here gets SFC to FL450
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[15:20] <russss> control freaks
[15:21] <juxta> I heard back from CASA today too
[15:21] <juxta> they're giving me the green light
[15:21] <juxta> and a bill for $240
[15:22] <russss> :/
[15:22] <russss> do you have to pay every time you launch?
[15:23] <juxta> currently yes
[15:23] <russss> sucks
[15:23] <juxta> but the guy I've been speaking to is pushing for a system where you pay once
[15:23] <MikeMc> why?
[15:23] <juxta> and get sort of a standing approval for that site/payload type
[15:23] <MikeMc> What is the payment for?
[15:24] <juxta> for them to issue NOTAMS etc
[15:24] <MikeMc> if I had to pay £240 each time I launched in the UK I would find another hobby
[15:24] <MikeMc> that is ridiculous - in a country with only 1% of it's landmass being populated
[15:24] <juxta> exactly
[15:25] <juxta> the UK looks good from a balloon standpoint I think
[15:25] <juxta> at least from where I sit
[15:26] <russss> pretty much all australian airspace is ICAO Class A, which is just silly
[15:26] <russss> I guess it's just because they don't have many flights. If all UK airspace was Class A we'd need thousands of air traffic controllers.
[15:31] <russss> oh, actually australia just copied the USA
[15:32] <russss> which means you can't operate VFR above FL180, crazy.
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[15:59] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[16:00] <jcoxon> hey juxta, is the telem working for the server?
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[16:39] <juxta> hi jcoxon, I haven't had a chance to test with real data yet
[16:40] <juxta> payload is on right now, let me try it
[16:40] <jcoxon> okay cool
[16:42] <juxta> ok, it's decoding
[16:42] <juxta> but it doesn't have GPS lock
[16:42] <juxta> i dunno if it'll still insert it
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[16:42] <juxta> JUXTA : HORUS,168,00:00:00,0.0000,0.0000,0,0,0;26;22;1015;47*72
[16:42] <juxta> Bad Lat and Long 0!
[16:43] <juxta> ah let me take it outside, it's already 3am, no chance of an early night anymore ;p
[16:43] <jcoxon> will need a lock to get posted onto the map
[16:43] <jcoxon> oh, don't need to do it now if you need to sleep :-p
[16:43] <juxta> haha
[16:44] <juxta> nah I should do it
[16:44] <juxta> it's outside now
[16:44] <juxta> just waiting on it to track some sats
[16:44] <juxta> 1 so far
[16:45] <juxta> ok, it has lock
[16:45] <jcoxon> need to reduce the size of view.php
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[16:45] <juxta> yep it got plotted jcoxon
[16:45] <jcoxon> yay it works
[16:46] <jcoxon> will clean up the tracker and put the name
[16:46] <juxta> :)
[16:46] <jcoxon> is it HORUS 1?
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[16:46] <juxta> yeah, that sounds good
[16:46] <juxta> or just HORUS
[16:46] <juxta> not too fussed really
[16:46] <juxta> I've gotta email natrium42 re the custom data too
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[16:48] <juxta> jcoxon: do you guys use lab grade helium in your balloons?
[16:48] <juxta> or 'balloon gas'?
[16:48] <jcoxon> we use party balloon gas
[16:48] <jcoxon> do you have a twitter account you might be using?
[16:48] <juxta> oh cool, 'cause lab grade He is really pricey
[16:49] <juxta> I don't - but that's a good idea, i might sign up for one
[16:49] <juxta> for the launch day
[16:49] <jcoxon> or you can use the ukhas one
[16:49] <jcoxon> as it has a few followers
[16:49] <juxta> ah alright
[16:49] <juxta> good idea
[16:49] <juxta> hoping the winds dont change anymore
[16:49] <juxta> this morning when i ran my predictions sunday looked good
[16:49] <juxta> this evening a little less great
[16:50] <juxta> landing close to military airspace
[16:50] <jcoxon> okay refresh the tracker
[16:50] <jcoxon> juxta, if in doubt don't launch
[16:50] <juxta> sweet, thanks for the link jcoxon :)
[16:51] <juxta> yeah, will only go ahead if it looks clear
[16:51] <juxta> best not to give ballooning a bad name and get my butt kicked by CASA :)
[16:51] <jcoxon> hehe exactly
[16:52] <juxta> time won't exactly be great for you guys in the UK
[16:52] <jcoxon> well i look forward to the launch
[16:52] <jcoxon> hmmm am launch so late night launch for us :-p
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[16:52] <juxta> either we'll launch at 22:00 GMT on the 16th, or 02:00 on the 17th
[16:52] <jcoxon> oh well :-p
[16:53] <jcoxon> its the other way round for you anyway
[16:53] <juxta> there's a met balloon that goes up at 00:00Z, we may track that one
[16:53] <juxta> it launches not too far from us
[16:53] <jcoxon> its never great for you following our launches
[16:53] <juxta> haha ah well
[16:53] <juxta> I'm up late usually anyway
[16:53] <juxta> ;p
[16:54] <jcoxon> well we might need you for trans-a to allow us to sleep :-p
[16:54] <jcoxon> will definitely have a online radio that can be controlled
[16:54] <juxta> awesome - where are you going to put it?
[16:54] <juxta> I was chatting to that ham that's giving me a hand the other day
[16:55] <juxta> about long range HF etc, I was asking how far he's managed to reach - he said he's heard himself coming back around the globe
[16:55] <jcoxon> not sure yet - needs lots of planning
[16:55] <juxta> with about 400ms delay
[16:56] <Randomskk> haha awesome
[16:56] <jcoxon> well it'll be worthwhile listening out - you never know and it'll be pretty spectatular
[16:56] <Randomskk> what kinda radio will be on the trans-a?
[16:56] <jcoxon> HF 40m
[16:56] <Randomskk> cool
[16:56] <Randomskk> should get pretty decent propagation then?
[16:56] <juxta> how much power jcoxon?
[16:56] <jcoxon> we've already tested it on tethered
[16:56] <jcoxon> at 60m it was received in south germany
[16:56] <jcoxon> 60ms high that is
[16:56] <Randomskk> I guess now you have to worry about sunspots and ionosphere status as well as jet streams and weather :P
[16:57] <jcoxon> juxta, about 1W
[16:57] <russss> heh
[16:57] <jcoxon> might actually be less then that
[16:57] <jcoxon> Randomskk, thats why we have lots of listeners so one person will be in hte right plce
[16:57] <jcoxon> place*
[16:57] <Randomskk> ah yup
[16:57] <Randomskk> I really need to get an HF antenna of some kind set up
[16:57] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/wiki/doku.php?id=hf_radio:testing
[16:57] <Randomskk> I tried a long wire last night but it didn't work at all really
[16:58] <juxta> wow, that's pretty decent for 60m alt!
[16:58] <Randomskk> or at least I didn't pick anything up
[16:58] <Randomskk> HF antennas are just a bit big :P
[16:58] <jcoxon> but couldn't hear it in london
[16:58] <jcoxon> Randomskk, i have a long wire over my roof
[16:58] <jcoxon> its not too bad for listening - don't have a tuner so can't transmit
[16:58] <russss> I wonder whether ionospheric propagation is better or worse if you're transmitting from so high up.
[16:58] <Randomskk> putting a wire over the roof from the middle floor of a 4-floor tower block at selwyn would be a bit tricky
[16:58] <juxta> hey jcoxon, I came across photos of a balloon launch in Nigeria on a flickr account somewhere along the road - was that UKHAS?
[16:59] <juxta> or am I mistaken?
[16:59] <Randomskk> russss: generally better I believe, the ionosphere is way way higher than the balloons go
[16:59] <russss> yeah
[16:59] <jcoxon> juxta, that was me, went out to Niger a couple of years ago
[17:00] <juxta> oh wow - just for the balloon launch? or were you just there?
[17:00] <jcoxon> working with CNES and EU science projects through my uni
[17:00] <juxta> wow, nice
[17:00] <jcoxon> was invited as i was interested - sort of helped out with hte launching, met some 'legends in the balloon world
[17:00] <juxta> i thought you were studying medicine?
[17:00] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/sets/72157614028027899/
[17:00] <jcoxon> juxta, i am
[17:00] <jcoxon> well medicine is a hobby of mine :-p
[17:00] <Randomskk> haha
[17:00] <russss> heh
[17:01] <juxta> haha
[17:01] <juxta> that launch looks pretty impressive
[17:01] <juxta> what was the payload?
[17:01] <russss> that's a ZP presumably?
[17:02] <juxta> russss: yeah I think it is
[17:02] <jcoxon> big science experiments, our payload was looking at trace hydrocarbons
[17:02] <jcoxon> yeah it is
[17:02] <jcoxon> trans-a will be similar though not as big
[17:02] <juxta> there's a site out in the middle of aus where large launches are done
[17:02] <juxta> 2 ton payloads
[17:02] <jcoxon> yeah big big balloons
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[17:03] <jcoxon> CNES are pretty cool - they pioneered all this including their MIR balloons
[17:03] <juxta> ah yeah those are the ones with the foil for trapping atmospheric heat?
[17:03] <jcoxon> e.g. long duration of 69 days
[17:04] <juxta> ugh, bedtime
[17:04] <juxta> 3:30 now
[17:04] <jcoxon> hehe. night juxta
[17:04] <juxta> jcoxon: if I do more testing in the next few days, mind if I shoot you an email to clear the tracker before we launch?
[17:06] <jcoxon> sure
[17:06] <jcoxon> i'm around all weekend - tis my payload build weekend
[17:06] <juxta> alright :)
[17:06] <russss> I will be in GMT-8 on sunday
[17:07] <juxta> I put a siren on the outside of the payload by the way, with a big on-off switch incase a farmer etc finds it :)
[17:07] <russss> not sure if that's better or worse, but maybe I can test any code I may or may not have written on the plane.
[17:07] <juxta> haha
[17:07] <juxta> what are you working on russss?
[17:08] <russss> message bus for telemetry messages so multiple people can hook in, then maybe some error correction and graphing
[17:08] <russss> sod's law says I will forget to put something important on my laptop however.
[17:08] <juxta> hehe
[17:08] <juxta> well I'm off, night guys
[17:08] <russss> I can't believe it's 2010 and we still don't have fucking wifi on planes.
[17:08] <juxta> russss: we do on some planes
[17:09] <russss> yeah, but not any planes I fly on.
[17:09] <juxta> haha
[17:09] <russss> not the long-haul ones any more
[17:09] <russss> we had it and they discontinued it!
[17:09] <russss> bastards
[17:09] <juxta> god forbid it might be used by internet terrorists
[17:10] <juxta> night all
[17:10] <russss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connexion_by_Boeing <--fail
[17:14] <jcoxon> bbl
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[17:14] <MikeMc> bye juxta
[17:15] <russss> actually it looks like there are other companies doing in-flight sat internet
[17:15] <russss> http://www.inmarsat.com/About/Newsroom/00024638.aspx?language=EN&textonly=False
[17:16] Action: sbasuita uses all the radios on his phone during long-haul flights to try and make something more interesting than mild turbulence occur
[17:16] <russss> oh it's only on their poncy all-business LCY-JFK via Shannon route
[17:17] <russss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnAir
[17:18] <Randomskk> sbasuita: the trick is to use them while flying over land at low altitude to get your phone to switch cells really fast
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[17:28] <tonyb486> I used internet on a delta flight from new york to portland, it was pretty cool
[17:28] <tonyb486> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gogo_Inflight_Internet
[17:29] <russss> yeah, they have it within the USA
[17:30] <russss> the ironic thing is that the reason conexion by boeing failed was because all the US domestic carriers pulled out after 9/11
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[17:30] <russss> and now US domestic carriers have internet and nobody else does.
[17:31] <tonyb486> heh
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[20:23] <jcoxon> evening all
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[22:04] <juxta> hi all
[22:08] <jcoxon> hey juxta
[22:10] <juxta> ahh there are people here
[22:10] <juxta> (and it's not even 3am here)
[22:10] <juxta> jcoxon: what kind of regulator do you use to inflate your balloons?
[22:11] <juxta> i have an O2 reg for welding etc
[22:11] <juxta> I believe it has a max flow rate of ~30L/min though
[22:13] <jcoxon> hmm you'd need to talk to edmoore about that
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[22:14] <juxta> alright
[22:15] <jcoxon> i'm always focusing on the payload
[22:15] <juxta> also wanted to ask you about some boards I've seen somewhere
[22:15] <jcoxon> back in the day when i did fill balloons i used the helium reg that came with it (the one for normal party balloons
[22:15] <jcoxon> and taped on a hosepipe and then a pvc pipe
[22:16] <juxta> not sure if they're the badger boards - I think rjharrison uses them in his payloads? basically a green board with an atmega 8 and radiometrix on it etc
[22:16] <jcoxon> hmmm you'd need to find a pic
[22:16] <jcoxon> badger boards are arm boards
[22:16] <juxta> ah - not the badger boards then
[22:16] <Laurenceb> could be my board...
[22:17] <jcoxon> this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/3662681108/in/set-72157621083447545/ ?
[22:17] <Laurenceb> but not sure how you got the design in that case :P
[22:17] <juxta> jcoxon: very similar, I found it:
[22:17] <juxta> http://www.robertharrison.org/images/icarus2/IcarusII-Filled.JPG
[22:18] <jcoxon> oh right then thats icarus II :-p
[22:18] <juxta> looks like the schema is up on the Icarus site - I basically wanted to have a look at the schematic, I want to build similar and make sure I don't make any mistakes :)
[22:21] <juxta> jcoxon: what fab house did you use for your AVRmetrix?
[22:22] <jcoxon> olimex
[22:23] <jcoxon> and for my GPS board i used seeedstudio
[22:23] <juxta> which did you find better?
[22:24] <jcoxon> actually seeedstudios
[22:24] <juxta> fair enough
[22:24] <juxta> did you publish the schema for the lassen breakout in the end?
[22:26] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: about?
[22:26] <jcoxon> juxta, yeah
[22:28] <juxta> found it, cheers jcoxon
[22:37] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: nvm, I was going to ask about STM programming, b ut http://www.st.com/mcu/forums-cat-5940-23.html&start=10
[22:38] <Laurenceb> found the answer, theres bootloader :P
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[23:51] <Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/stonline/products/families/sensors/motion_sensors/lsm303dlh.htm
[23:51] <Laurenceb> wow
[23:52] <MikeMc> evening
[23:52] <Laurenceb> looks like ST might be first to produce a single chip digital IMU
[23:52] <Laurenceb> hi
[23:52] <Laurenceb> MikeMc: am I borrowing a book of yours?
[23:53] <MikeMc> ?!
[23:53] <Laurenceb> sorry wrong nick
[23:53] <Laurenceb> too many people on here
[23:53] <MikeMc> :O
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