highaltitude.log.20091220

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[14:02] <jcoxon> afternoon all
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[14:06] <Randomskk> yo
[14:08] <RocketBoy> yo
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[14:13] <RocketBoy> just trying to install quisk (SDR software) on linux - its a whole new world
[14:14] <gordonjcp> yeah
[14:14] <gordonjcp> I tried quisk but it was a bit flaky
[14:14] <gordonjcp> I started hacking on an improved version but haven't really looked at it for a while
[14:14] <RocketBoy> oh right - I'm having trouble getting wxPython up and running
[14:14] <RocketBoy> (which it uses)
[14:15] <Randomskk> can't you just apt-get install everything related?
[14:15] <Randomskk> assuming debian-based
[14:15] <RocketBoy> tis ubuntu
[14:16] <RocketBoy> ah - looks like I have wxPyton installed OK now
[14:17] <RocketBoy> gordonjcp: can you suggest any better SDR software for ubuntu - it needs to have the source as I'm gonna need to mod it
[14:21] <gordonjcp> not sure really
[14:22] <gordonjcp> I got my softrock built and then discovered that there is actually no SDR software out there
[14:22] <gordonjcp> well, apparently there's some stuff for Windows but I don't have Windows
[14:23] <RocketBoy> yeah - thats what I found too - several for windows - just a couple for linux
[14:24] <Randomskk> wine any good here?
[14:26] <RocketBoy> oo - lets look
[14:28] <RocketBoy> oh the windows under linux thing - no I don't think so It needs to be native so I can hack it
[14:30] <Randomskk> ah, I guess so.
[14:34] <RocketBoy> I'll push on with quisk and see where I get
[14:40] <tonyb486> apt-get install wxpython; easy_install quisk
[14:40] Action: tonyb486 has no idea what quisk is but it installed fairly straightforwardly
[14:40] <Hiena> Muahahaha, the first wacuumformed parts done! It's a perfect copy of a screwdriver handle.
[14:41] <tonyb486> you have a vaccumform? cool.
[14:42] <Hiena> Yup. Designed, by me! Built, by me! And now placed to the wall.
[14:42] <tonyb486> pics?
[14:43] <Hiena> Not yet. I'll post it when i complete the article.
[14:43] <tonyb486> :)
[14:44] Action: tonyb486 wants a vaccumform
[14:44] Action: SpeedEvil places tonyb486 in a vacuum.
[14:44] Action: tonyb486 explodes
[14:44] <Hiena> Still have to build a new heater unit. The 250W IR bulb not enough.
[14:45] Action: SpeedEvil discovers tonyb486s vacuum form is a diffuse pink cloud.
[14:45] Action: tonyb486 implodes back to normal! yay!
[14:50] Action: gordonjcp can't figure out how to install easy_install in ubuntu
[14:50] <gordonjcp> ubuntu really is a crock of shit these days
[14:50] <Randomskk> how ironic
[14:51] <Randomskk> sudo apt-get install python-setuptools
[14:52] <gordonjcp> woo and yay, broken
[14:52] <gordonjcp> doesn't include any of the required libraries
[14:53] <gordonjcp> fuck this, as soon as this project is done I'm wiping Ubuntu
[14:53] <RocketBoy> I have wxPython installed ok now - but when I run quisk (python quisk.py) I get "ImportError: No module named _quisk"
[14:54] <Randomskk> gordonjcp: eh, I don't have any issues with ubuntu
[14:54] <Randomskk> what would you replace it with?
[14:54] <gordonjcp> arch
[14:55] <Randomskk> eh
[14:55] <Randomskk> RocketBoy: _quisk are the python C extensions and require compiling, which easy_install should hav edone
[14:55] <Randomskk> did it error at all?
[14:55] <gordonjcp> I strongly dislike Ubuntu's whole "closed shop" development nature
[14:55] <tonyb486> I use arch. <3
[14:55] <gordonjcp> and the emphasis on shiny over quality
[14:55] <Randomskk> RocketBoy: additionally ensure you have libasound2-dev, libfftw3-dev, libusb-dev installed
[15:00] <RocketBoy> Randomskk: thanks - the problem seems to be I need root access fro easy install
[15:01] <RocketBoy> but when I sus to root it seems to fail with the password I thought I'd set
[15:01] <RocketBoy> su
[15:01] <DanielRichman> Ubuntu? Use sudo
[15:02] <gordonjcp> RocketBoy: Ubuntu doesn't use su, it uses sudo
[15:03] <RocketBoy> ah - ta - one step further
[15:07] <RocketBoy> gordonjcp: ta - unix has moved on a bit since I last used it in anger (probably about 1985)
[15:18] <Hiena> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv8DQxXe7k4
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[15:30] <Hiena> Okay, since i'll got a heater unit to the vacuuform table at xmass, would you like a standardised container for a HAB?
[15:32] <Hiena> Seems i could pull 0.3 mm wall thickness, so it's just up to us to pull some.
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[15:35] <edmoore> greetings all
[15:35] <Hiena> ' evning!
[15:47] <jcoxon> any french speakers around?
[15:53] <jcoxon> guess not :-)
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> non.
[15:54] <jcoxon> merci SpeedEvil
[16:00] <jcoxon> sorting out this payload retrival is slightly stressful
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[16:01] <SpeedEvil> :/
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[16:01] Action: SpeedEvil speaks several words of french, and probably can't help.
[16:01] <AlexBreton> hello
[16:01] <AlexBreton> someone needs a french speaker?
[16:01] <russss> hah
[16:01] <russss> :P
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> umm. was natrium42 in canada?
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> \i mean is
[16:02] <Hiena> I think so.
[16:02] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon needs one
[16:03] <AlexBreton> I speak fluent french
[16:03] <AlexBreton> where is he?
[16:03] <AlexBreton> jcoxon, translator has arrived
[16:03] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, last spoke three minutes ago
[16:07] <jcoxon> oooo
[16:07] <jcoxon> yes please
[16:08] <jcoxon> basically the french hams have got a little confused :-p
[16:08] <jcoxon> about collecting my payload
[16:08] <russss> les jambons francais.
[16:08] <jcoxon> was wondering if you could translate an email i just replied with into french so they'll get it
[16:08] <AlexBreton> which french hams?
[16:09] <AlexBreton> the people who found the balloon?
[16:09] <jcoxon> okay so you spoke to F1HDY on the phone just after the launch
[16:10] <AlexBreton> err
[16:10] <AlexBreton> can you give me a name?
[16:10] <jcoxon> but the french amateur radio balloon guys are now coordinating the retrieval
[16:10] <AlexBreton> ah
[16:10] <jcoxon> Jean-Pierre
[16:10] <jcoxon> which is F1USE
[16:10] <AlexBreton> I spoke to no jean-pierre
[16:10] <jcoxon> oops
[16:11] <AlexBreton> I spoke to a christophe couly and a Marcel Mostel
[16:11] <jcoxon> okay one of them is F1HDY
[16:11] <jcoxon> okay to sumarise teh problem
[16:11] <jcoxon> when i got a phone call all the person gave me as a way to contact them is an email address which they aren't responding to
[16:12] <AlexBreton> http://www.onlineradio.fr/news-radioamateur/un-ballon-envoye-depuis-langlerre-serait-tombe-entre-caen-et-le-mans/
[16:12] <sbasuita> oh wow
[16:12] <AlexBreton> jcoxon, do you know exactly where the payload fell?
[16:12] <AlexBreton> co-ordinates
[16:13] <AlexBreton> F1HDY is Adrasec man
[16:13] <AlexBreton> jcoxon, I need exact co-ords so they can pick it up
[16:14] <jcoxon> thats the issue
[16:14] <jcoxon> i don't have them
[16:14] <jcoxon> basically this person never responded to my email
[16:14] <jcoxon> and had their number blocked so i can't redial
[16:14] <AlexBreton> does this person have the payload?
[16:14] <jcoxon> yes
[16:14] <AlexBreton> and this person is some random unknown
[16:15] <jcoxon> AlexBreton, do you have google wave?
[16:15] <AlexBreton> sure
[16:15] <AlexBreton> bretonalexander1 at googlewave dot com
[16:16] <jcoxon> i'll pass you the emails
[16:16] <AlexBreton> oh my, they were taking it very seriously
[16:16] <AlexBreton> looking at the comments on their site
[16:17] <jcoxon> yeah
[16:18] <jcoxon> thats a slight issue
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[21:17] <AlexBreton> jcoxon
[21:17] <AlexBreton> the french hams have replied
[21:18] <AlexBreton> someone is going to get in touch with the horse trainer to retrieve the payload and get it back to you
[21:19] <AlexBreton> it looks like they have also accepted tracking future launches
[21:30] <Xenion> Gute Nacht alle miteinander ! pennt jut :-)
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[22:16] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: the french hams are getting mad?
[22:16] <AlexBreton> no
[22:31] <jonsowman> evening all
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[22:44] <jcoxon> AlexBreton, back
[22:44] <AlexBreton> ok
[22:45] <AlexBreton> as I said, they are doing all they can to get it back to you and will be extremely happy to assist future launches
[22:45] <AlexBreton> you were CCed into the relevant emails
[22:46] <jcoxon> yeah thanks
[22:46] <jcoxon> thats a good result
[22:46] <jcoxon> my only real concern was that they weren't happy
[22:46] <jcoxon> they seem like a good keen bunch
[22:46] <AlexBreton> was the balloon found by chance or by hams listening in on it?
[22:47] <AlexBreton> keen? they considered getting a plane out
[22:47] <jcoxon> oh it was found by chance - they haven't seen it yet
[22:47] <jcoxon> Mrs Dubois found it
[22:51] <AlexBreton> I see
[22:51] <AlexBreton> that's why they may not be that happy
[22:51] <AlexBreton> they looked for ages with all their kit
[22:51] <AlexBreton> and it crops up by chance
[22:51] <jcoxon> hehe, we did tell them though
[22:51] <jcoxon> as soon as i could
[22:53] <AlexBreton> true
[22:54] <jcoxon> nah they are happy
[22:54] <AlexBreton> but yeah, they must be really committed--they went out at midnight to search
[22:54] <AlexBreton> basically, make sure your launches end up in Normandy ;-)
[22:55] <AlexBreton> adrasec calais may not be so friendly :P
[22:55] <Randomskk> if only we could round up super dedicated people all over the glove
[22:55] <AlexBreton> and from all over the mitten too :P
[22:56] <Randomskk> lol uh
[22:56] <Randomskk> I didn't even notice. globe* :P
[22:56] <jcoxon> hmmm is there a way to shift the frequency of an ntx2 slightly
[22:57] <jcoxon> say to 434.085Mhz
[22:57] <jcoxon> instead of 434.075
[22:57] <AlexBreton> why would you want to do that?
[22:59] <jcoxon> cause if i have 2 transmitters
[22:59] <jcoxon> basically i'm making my backup beacon for BH4
[22:59] <sjrandall> yeah - just add a little offset voltage
[22:59] <jcoxon> but i fear it'll clash with my normal transmitter
[22:59] <Randomskk> can't you just use different shifts on the resistors?
[22:59] <Randomskk> what sjrandall said
[22:59] <Randomskk> your input voltages determine the frequency output, right?
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[22:59] <jcoxon> yeah well i'm driving it at 3.3v
[23:00] <Randomskk> what two voltages correspond to our two rtty ones?
[23:00] <jcoxon> and i'll be driving the main transmitter at the normal one
[23:00] <jcoxon> around 1.2v
[23:00] <Randomskk> and?
[23:00] <jcoxon> so there is a difference but i fear with cold it may drift
[23:00] <Randomskk> so one resistor causes it to be 1.2V
[23:00] <Randomskk> and then there's another voltage for the second rtty tone
[23:00] <Randomskk> could you just use another two, different voltages?
[23:00] <jonsowman> hi Randomskk
[23:00] <RocketBoy> we normally do 1.5V +/- 100mV or so - just do 500mv +/- 100mV and 2.5V +/- 100mV
[23:01] <Randomskk> yo jonsowman
[23:01] <Randomskk> sup?
[23:01] <jonsowman> not a lot, yourself?
[23:01] <Randomskk> played all through mass effect yesterday and all through world of goo today, in other words that work/essay is obviously going well :P
[23:01] <jonsowman> good to hear :)
[23:01] <Randomskk> really need to get started on some proper work apparently
[23:01] <Randomskk> oh! but I sent off the motor controller PCBs to seeed
[23:02] <jonsowman> :D good stuff
[23:02] <Randomskk> jcoxon: would th ebackup beacon be RTTY?
[23:02] <Randomskk> or CW or what?
[23:02] <jcoxon> CW
[23:02] <Randomskk> as in, keying one frequency?
[23:02] <jcoxon> easier for people to decode by ear e.g. other hams
[23:02] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:02] <Randomskk> I wasn't really clear on that before, ed suggested it was audio tones and I should listen for it with ssb? but maybe he thought I meant rtty
[23:03] <Randomskk> at any rate I didn't hear it at all on CW with any filter width and a lot of tuning around its nominal frequency
[23:03] <Randomskk> even when I was getting the rtty really loud and clear S5
[23:03] <jcoxon> Randomskk, well rtty is 2 tones, cw is one tone
[23:03] <jcoxon> the CW was up at 434.225
[23:03] <Randomskk> yea
[23:03] <jcoxon> but also the radiomodule was crappy
[23:03] <jcoxon> not a radiometrix
[23:03] <Randomskk> I had both frequencies programmed into the radio from the email, then checked when it wasn't working
[23:03] <Randomskk> no sign of it at all
[23:04] <Randomskk> but yea, just use the radiometrix one with a single resistor that results in a different input voltage, hopefully a fair bit away from the rtty voltage
[23:04] <jcoxon> doesn't suprisee me
[23:04] <jcoxon> yeah i'll do that
[23:04] <Randomskk> though doesn't really need to be that far out so long as the rtty demodulater has a sufficiently narrow bandwidth to not be affected by it
[23:06] <jcoxon> yeah we've had cross over before
[23:06] <Randomskk> but I think you'd be okay with like rtty on 500mv +- 100mv as RocketBoy suggests, then CW at maybe the full 3v3
[23:07] <Randomskk> what happens when you apply 0V?
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[23:07] <Randomskk> does it turn off or does it transmit a base frequency
[23:08] <jcoxon> off i think
[23:08] <Randomskk> huh, weird
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[23:08] <Randomskk> there might be a cutoff voltage that you have to exceed to make sure it's on, then.
[23:08] <rjharrison_> Hi all
[23:08] <Randomskk> so long as your rtty one was as low as possible without it turning off, plus 100mv for the second tone, and then have the CW be at the highest voltage possible
[23:08] <rjharrison_> In the middle of moving house
[23:08] <Randomskk> heya rjharrison_
[23:08] <Randomskk> sounds like fun
[23:09] <rjharrison_> Hi Randomskk enjoying the hols
[23:09] <Randomskk> haha yup
[23:09] <Randomskk> so nice to not have work :P
[23:09] <Randomskk> (that's a lie, I have loads of work I should do, but the deadline is weeks away....)
[23:09] <rjharrison_> Yep and they seem to work you quite hard at camb
[23:09] <Randomskk> (I really need to start...)
[23:09] <RocketBoy> yo rjharrison_
[23:09] <Randomskk> it certainly feels that way
[23:09] <rjharrison_> Hi Randomskk
[23:09] <rjharrison_> Hi RocketBoy
[23:10] <RocketBoy> long time no see
[23:10] <rjharrison_> So many people these days
[23:10] <rjharrison_> Yep been busy moving house and preparing for it
[23:10] <rjharrison_> Loads of snow this w/e just waht you need when moving
[23:11] <rjharrison_> RocketBoy I found the 3000 in the garage and will hopefully be giving it some action in the new year
[23:11] <RocketBoy> cool
[23:12] <Randomskk> http://gitorious.org/simavr neat
[23:12] <Randomskk> an AVR simulator
[23:12] <Randomskk> a small, lean, hackable avr simulator
[23:13] <Randomskk> I bet that'l get into winavr in time
[23:19] <rjharrison_> Randomskk Wow that is cool
[23:19] <rjharrison_> I'll have to have a play with that
[23:19] <Randomskk> I am now
[23:21] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: what streaming audio solution did you use for your remote radio control project?
[23:22] <jcoxon> nicecast
[23:22] <jcoxon> not sure how good it is though
[23:22] <jcoxon> my remote control radio project wasn't great
[23:23] <Randomskk> is this the one I still hear whispers about at cusf? involving a webcam and a very quickly hacked together python script?
[23:23] <jcoxon> that was the early prototype
[23:23] <Randomskk> haha nice
[23:23] <jcoxon> :-p
[23:24] <jcoxon> need my ft-790 back to rebuild it
[23:25] <Randomskk> :( build error on simavr
[23:27] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/4201006391/
[23:27] <Randomskk> sweet
[23:27] <Randomskk> what does it send on CW, or is that still a mystery? :P
[23:27] <jcoxon> nah
[23:28] <jcoxon> VVV,ATLAS,1/3,HIGH,ALTITUDE,BALLOON
[23:28] <jcoxon> VVV,ATLAS,2/3,RTTY,434.075,ASCII8,50,350,0,1.5
[23:28] <Randomskk> VVV?
[23:28] <Randomskk> just for sync?
[23:28] <jcoxon> VVV,ATLAS,3/3,WWW.SPACENEAR.US/TRACKER/
[23:28] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:28] <Randomskk> sending the URL is a good idea
[23:28] <jcoxon> i find with CW that if not you'll miss it
[23:28] <jcoxon> lots of space for more strings if people have suggestions
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[23:28] <Randomskk> perhaps the littlest data
[23:29] <Randomskk> one sentence GPS lat/lon/alt
[23:29] <jcoxon> its not connected
[23:29] <Randomskk> ah
[23:29] <Randomskk> any way it can do something like report on the status of the other board?
[23:30] <jcoxon> not this time
[23:30] <Randomskk> if it's a backup beacon it'd be cool if it could be useful in and of itself in the event that the main one goes down
[23:30] <jcoxon> really want to keep it simple
[23:30] <Randomskk> yea fair enough
[23:30] <jcoxon> BH4 is a lot simpler then BH3
[23:30] <Randomskk> in which case perhaps IRC.FREENODE.NET #HIGHALTITUDE
[23:30] <Randomskk> not sure CW has a #
[23:30] <Randomskk> I guess the URL leads here anwyay.
[23:30] <Randomskk> anyway, even.
[23:30] <Randomskk> best to keep the message as short as possible
[23:31] <jcoxon> yeah - i can add more though
[23:33] <Randomskk> you could possibly change the URL to a splash page for people who've found it, that gives like a paragraph on what it is, what we're doing, a photo or two, link to IRC and link to the tracker
[23:33] <Randomskk> maybe a link to the RTTY listening guide, as the person hearing the CW may well not be using fldigi already or have a means of decoding rtty
[23:33] <Randomskk> (but can obviously hear the balloon)
[23:38] <jcoxon> yeah thats a nice idea as well
[23:38] <jcoxon> though i'm not sure how many people will pick up on it :-p
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[23:38] <jcoxon> maybe some description of the payload
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[23:39] <Randomskk> you never know how many people will have a 70cm whip and happen to be listening on that channel
[23:39] <Randomskk> CW is pretty distinctive on any frequency
[23:39] <Randomskk> any mode*
[23:40] <Randomskk> though on FM it doesn't sound like much if you are on-frequency :P
[23:40] <Randomskk> but any shift and you're good
[23:40] <jcoxon> say: VVV,ATLAS,1500G-BALLOON,900G-PAYLOAD,200G-FREELIFT
[23:40] <Randomskk> yup
[23:40] <Randomskk> maybe a word or two as to what it's for
[23:40] <Randomskk> BALLAST-TEST
[23:41] <jcoxon> I was tempted to add a temperature sensor
[23:41] <Randomskk> just to have something
[23:41] <jcoxon> but i think i'll keep it simple simple
[23:41] <Randomskk> you could easily put an NTC temp sensor and an LDR on two analogue inputs and just put their values in it
[23:41] <jcoxon> hehe its built :-p
[23:41] <Randomskk> too late for now then :P
[23:41] <Randomskk> but yea, simple is good
[23:42] <jcoxon> also i might use the watchdog to do some power saving
[23:42] <jcoxon> http://interface.khm.de/index.php/lab/experiments/sleep_watchdog_battery/
[23:42] <Randomskk> yup
[23:42] <Randomskk> I've done that on a few avr projects
[23:42] <Randomskk> definitely worth looking into
[23:42] <Randomskk> especially when you need to organise a recovery party to france :P
[23:43] <Randomskk> a few extra days of battery life is great
[23:43] <jcoxon> the draw will be about 20mA when on and 1mA off
[23:43] <jcoxon> with 2900mAh batteries...
[23:43] <Randomskk> 1ma off?
[23:43] <jcoxon> lets look in my bits box
[23:43] <jcoxon> just a guess
[23:44] <Randomskk> phoar
[23:44] <jcoxon> 0.05mA
[23:44] <rjharrison_> lol
[23:44] <jcoxon> thats more likely
[23:44] <Randomskk> more like it :P
[23:44] <Randomskk> the new atmegas are talking 3µA
[23:44] <jcoxon> Randomskk, how about battery voltage
[23:44] <Randomskk> 3µA at 1.8 volts, at that
[23:44] <rjharrison_> Yep so you'll have a few weeks to get it back then
[23:44] <jcoxon> that would be useful
[23:44] <Randomskk> that's true
[23:45] <Randomskk> set the ADC to the internal ref and feed in the voltage through a divider
[23:45] <jcoxon> nah its too late
[23:45] <jcoxon> hardware finished - need to get on with the main payload
[23:45] <jcoxon> now the big question is...
[23:45] <Randomskk> the only thing worth bearing in mind
[23:46] <jcoxon> should i order stuff from rapid etc tonight or leave it till after christmass
[23:46] <Randomskk> if you have it turn on, transmit, sleep for a minute, turn on, transmit, etc
[23:46] <Randomskk> direction finding is going to be soooo frustrating
[23:46] <Randomskk> hmm
[23:46] <Randomskk> farnell will get stuff to you, I bet
[23:46] <Randomskk> rapid... maybe, maybe not
[23:46] <jcoxon> hmmm that is a good point - perhaps a tone for a while
[23:46] <Randomskk> a tone is not going to save you a huge amount of battery life compared to sending the message
[23:46] <Randomskk> just don't have it sleep for that long
[23:47] <jcoxon> but when yagi direction hunting a tone is a lot easier then beeps
[23:47] <Randomskk> true
[23:48] <jcoxon> stick the tone as another message
[23:48] <Randomskk> lol
[23:49] <jcoxon> so 3 messages and a tone
[23:49] <jcoxon> rotating round
[23:49] <Randomskk> VVV,ATLAS,4/4,BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
[23:49] <rjharrison_> Or just tone every 5 mins for 30 seconds
[23:49] <Randomskk> rjharrison_: I think that'd be too slow for frustration-free direction finding
[23:49] <Randomskk> every 5 minutes you have 30 seconds to point the yagi
[23:49] <Randomskk> then give up for another 5 minutes :P
[23:50] <Randomskk> if you could do landing detection you could have a third module just transmit a tone constantly after landing
[23:50] <Randomskk> could piss off other users possibly
[23:50] <rjharrison_> hum in my, all be it, limited exp. you only need to pin point it one and take a beraing
[23:50] <rjharrison_> bearing
[23:51] <rjharrison_> one = once
[23:51] <Randomskk> true
[23:51] <Randomskk> jcoxon: what avr are you using?
[23:51] <rjharrison_> I'm sure jc will come up with something
[23:51] <rjharrison_> ATMEGA16
[23:51] <jcoxon> 168
[23:51] <jcoxon> just cause its lying around
[23:52] <rjharrison_> If anyone wants some I have a few too many kicking around
[23:52] <rjharrison_> 328p for me from now on
[23:52] <jcoxon> yeah i'm going to use a 328 for the main board
[23:52] <Randomskk> eh, 168s have their place, same as 48s and 88s
[23:53] <rjharrison_> Yep but they are moer excpensive
[23:53] <rjharrison_> well the 168's are the last time I looked on farnell
[23:54] <Randomskk> really? :/
[23:54] <Randomskk> huh.
[23:54] <Randomskk> would expect the 328s to be more
[23:55] <Randomskk> jcoxon: fwiw the current-gen atmega168s use 4 to 9mA active at 5V, 0.1 to 8µA when in various sleep mdoes and various watchdog configurations
[23:56] <jcoxon> i'm not too worried - with those lithiums they'll last a good while
[23:56] <rjharrison_> 4.86 for the 168p and 3.95 for the 328p
[23:56] <Randomskk> hah, weird.
[23:56] <rjharrison_> yep
[23:56] <Randomskk> is that a 168PA vs a 328P?
[23:57] <Randomskk> or a 168P vs a 328P? package?
[23:57] <rjharrison_> I guess they try to push the new chips
[23:57] <rjharrison_> http://uk.farnell.com/atmel/atmega168pv-10pu/8-bit-mcu-16k-fla-1-8-5-5v-pdip28/dp/1636936
[23:58] <rjharrison_> right bedy byes
[23:58] <Randomskk> seeya
[23:58] <rjharrison_> Will be on a bot more after the move and decorating :_
[23:58] <rjharrison_> )
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