highaltitude.log.20091214

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[01:05] <Randomskk> hmm
[01:05] <Randomskk> so I'm making a balun by using a bit more coax in a loop to connect to the other side of the antenna
[01:05] <Randomskk> my specified dimension is 228mm of coax
[01:06] <Randomskk> but what actual dimension is that?
[01:06] <Randomskk> like the total length from one side of the antenna to the other?
[01:06] <jcoxon> Randomskk, is it hte length of the dipole?
[01:07] <Randomskk> not quite
[01:15] <jcoxon> managed to melt a large hole in my payload when my glue gun got too hot
[01:15] <jcoxon> oops
[01:25] <SpeedEvil> PS does that :/
[01:29] <Randomskk> eurgh
[01:29] <Randomskk> there's got to be a better way to make a balun
[01:32] <jcoxon> right 2 more pieces of polystyrene and i'm finished
[02:06] <jcoxon> night all
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[02:33] <Randomskk> 11111!!!!!!
[02:33] <Randomskk> it works yay
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[02:52] <Randomskk> woo
[02:52] <Randomskk> I can access a local repeater with it
[02:53] <Randomskk> not exactly sure what direction the repeater is in and it's not exactly on the right frequency, but I still get S7 and it works yay
[02:53] <Randomskk> now the final glue is setting
[02:54] <Randomskk> of course the real test will be if it can pick the balloon up tomorrow
[02:54] <Randomskk> also if it does any better than my shit dualband whip does at picking it up
[03:17] <Randomskk> brb a sec checking glue
[03:22] <Randomskk> yay, epoxy set, antenna all done
[03:31] <Randomskk> haha wow, the current prediction indicates that the 1400 on monday would burst pretty much directly over my house
[03:31] <Randomskk> though I guess hourly-predictions does not take into account floating
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[08:51] <jcoxon> morning
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[09:02] <djellison> Morning James
[09:03] <juxta> morning jcoxon
[09:03] <juxta> still go for the launch today?
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[09:09] <jcoxon> on the train - lots of tunnels!
[09:09] <jcoxon> yeah still good for launch
[09:09] <jcoxon> a few more things to sort
[09:10] <djellison> My Yagi can see to about SSE from the spare room - so I started rigging a mast for it to get S, to SSW from the end of the garden
[09:11] <djellison> I'll be RX'ing via my Omni when I get home, until I can get teh Yagi up and working, then I'll switch
[09:11] <jcoxon> sounds great
[09:15] <djellison> If I was a full card carrying geek, I'd have set up the radio listening already and RDC to tune dlfldigi from work ;)
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[10:02] <fergusnoble> hey guys, whats the plan for the launch? launch at 4pm and hopefully float all night?
[10:05] <djellison> Mornin' Ferg. Last I heard it was a bit earlier than that - more like 2ish. I was hoping for 4 as I'll be home by 16:15 to track :D
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[10:07] <Laurenceb> launch?
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[10:09] <hsmith> I have a Yaesu VR-120. Could I track and what size of aerial would I need?
[10:12] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuQLViPz7xs
[10:12] <djellison> I don't think that Yaesu does Single Side Band - so I'm afraid not hsmith
[10:16] <hsmith> thx for reply: what receiver would you recommend for hialt tracking, and what type/size of aerial required?
[10:17] <djellison> Well - I'm not much of a radio guru - I have a Yaesu 817ND and I can track with a good base vertical and I use a small Yagi as well
[10:17] <djellison> LOTS of info here - http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[10:18] <hsmith> thx - dreaming of a project in future around the group of boys who do rockets with me: www.fairdene.com/pars/
[10:20] <djellison> Well there's a balloon launch out of Cambridge later today - so most of the real gurus here will be quite busy - but when there's not a launch, they're a helpfull bunch!
[10:21] Action: Laurenceb strokes his neckbeard
[10:23] <hsmith> Yeah, I was hoping to get along to this, but only found out about it over weekend. I have been meaning to reach out to this group for a long time for advice.
[10:23] <djellison> Turn up. Take biscuits. You'll be a friend for life.
[10:24] <hsmith> Unfortunately, work prohibits it today :-( But I'll remember the tip on biscuits. Good idea.
[10:25] <djellison> I'm at work as well - I hope to get home early enough to help with the tracking and receive some packets here in Leicester.
[10:25] <djellison> Want to break my personal best of 140km :)
[10:31] <hsmith> 140km? I thought these balloons were typically to 30-60km?
[10:31] <djellison> Range. From my shed to the payload - furthest I've succesfully heard a payload from
[10:31] <juxta> hsmith: 30km in altitude, plus however far away you are by ground distance
[10:32] <Laurenceb> well pythagoras
[10:32] <juxta> of course ;p
[10:33] <juxta> hsmith: your VR-120 won't do SSB, but you can look at something similar like an Icom IC-R10 which does SSB, and should be cheap too
[10:35] <hsmith> thx for confirming the VR-120 won't do the job and tip on 817ND and R10
[10:37] <juxta> the R10 is a receiver only
[10:38] <juxta> but still good, and it's handheld also, about the size of a walkie talkie, easy to carry out in a field looking for your gear
[10:41] <hsmith> how many people in UK do hialt launches would you estimate?
[10:41] <juxta> I don't know, I live in Australia :)
[10:41] <hsmith> silly me
[10:41] <Laurenceb> about 8 or so
[10:41] <juxta> I think there are around half a dozen regulars here though
[10:42] <Laurenceb> yeah
[10:42] <hsmith> wow - that's 'niche'
[10:42] <djellison> Average it out over the whole year, a dozen launches a year maybe?
[10:42] <Laurenceb> heh
[10:42] <hsmith> I like it :-)
[10:42] <juxta> probably a few more who do them without being affiliated with UKHAS i guess
[10:42] <Laurenceb> yeah there are a couple of school teams
[10:43] <juxta> Laurenceb: do you use arduinos much?
[10:43] <Laurenceb> they are contriversial :P
[10:43] <Laurenceb> people have used them
[10:43] <juxta> heh, I figured so much
[10:43] <juxta> oh, I meant you specifically ;p
[10:43] <Laurenceb> personally I find them a bit crippled, but avrs are good
[10:44] <juxta> I have one in the payload that I'm building now, but next time I will just go a straight AVR
[10:44] <Laurenceb> sounds like a plan
[10:44] <juxta> with/without the arduino bootloader/libraries?
[10:44] <Laurenceb> there are other bootloaders
[10:44] <Laurenceb> but you have ot be careful with bootloaders, they can screw up
[10:44] <juxta> ah, stands to reason
[10:45] <juxta> are you at CU btw Laurenceb?
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[10:45] <Laurenceb> nope
[10:46] <juxta> ah righto, wasnt sure if you were part of the CUSF group
[10:46] <Laurenceb> I was at Oxford so I should hate CU, but we get on :P
[10:46] <djellison> These are balloons, not rowing boats. :)
[10:46] <Laurenceb> heh
[10:47] <juxta> hehe
[10:47] <juxta> any idea if RocketBoy will be around later? I need to thank him for the GPS he sent me :D
[10:48] <Laurenceb> maybe, hes at the launch in cambridge
[10:49] <juxta> ah alright
[10:49] <juxta> what's the intended flight plan btw?
[10:50] <djellison> Float to 20ish Km. Dump ballast, re-float, dump ballast, re-float.
[10:50] <Laurenceb> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Massimo-Tartaglia/239205452597?ref=nf lol
[10:50] <juxta> so it's not a going to land back in the UK then?
[10:50] <Laurenceb> hes the guy who attacked berlusconi
[10:51] <Laurenceb> juxta: we hope
[10:51] <djellison> Why can't we have mentalists beat up our politicians. They really REALLY need it.
[10:51] <Laurenceb> hah 29K friends
[10:52] <Laurenceb> CUSF have an hourly predictor
[10:52] <djellison> Bit of a guessing game with what to put into the predictor really.
[10:52] <djellison> I did 25km with a 30 minute float and got burst over Portsmouth with a channel alnding.
[10:54] <Laurenceb> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/predict/
[10:54] <juxta> ah right, so it's not aiming to maintain level flight
[10:55] <Laurenceb> see what you mean
[10:55] <Laurenceb> high probability of a channel landing
[10:56] <Laurenceb> we could make it to france
[10:57] <djellison> What is a bti missleading is that the predictor puts the burst icon at the start of float - not the end of it
[10:58] <djellison> 20k + 1hr float has it actually at float for the full channel and dropping like a damn stone over northern france
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[11:02] <Laurenceb> hi edmoore
[11:02] <Laurenceb> whats happening with the launch?
[11:02] <edmoore> Payload is now in CU Eng Department. I think we're still down for a 14:00 launch
[11:02] <Randomskk> edmoore: yagi made
[11:02] <Randomskk> will process pics today/tomorrow/sometime
[11:03] <Randomskk> any idea on estimated flight duration?
[11:03] <juxta> nice work Randomskk, I'd like to see how it turned out :)
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[11:03] <Randomskk> juxta: I can get on my local repeater with it, so it works to some extent
[11:03] <Laurenceb> predictor seems to suggest a high risk of the channel
[11:03] <Randomskk> local repeater is a few mhz off though
[11:04] <jcoxon> hey all
[11:04] <Laurenceb> hi
[11:04] <juxta> Randomskk: I've used my 433mhz yagis on the 401-401 met band - it's not brilliant, but it worked
[11:04] <juxta> hi jcoxon
[11:04] <Randomskk> juxta: exactly
[11:04] <Randomskk> so hopefully it will work well on 434
[11:04] <jcoxon> Laurence, I don't expect to get this back
[11:04] <Laurenceb> :-/
[11:04] <Randomskk> it certainly looks the business
[11:04] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: if your lucky it reaches france
[11:04] <djellison> Just dumping ballast back into the sea. Now that's going to help sea level rises with global warming. Tut ;)
[11:05] <Laurenceb> lmao
[11:05] <djellison> I assume you're not using water as ballast? Vodka? De-icer?
[11:05] <edmoore> Randomskk: no idea. i think it'll go over the horizon
[11:05] <edmoore> before it goes down
[11:05] <jcoxon> should be more concerned with what I'm dumping in the sea!
[11:05] Action: Laurenceb adds it as another fudge factor to the UEA climate code
[11:05] <Randomskk> ah, okay
[11:05] <Randomskk> at some point I will be going to some school thing to scare 16 year olds about oxbridge
[11:06] <juxta> ethanol, isn't it jcoxon?
[11:06] <Randomskk> but I don't /have/ to go
[11:06] <Laurenceb> drunk sharks
[11:06] <jcoxon> a mix of ethanol and methanol
[11:06] <Laurenceb> we need someone if France
[11:06] <Laurenceb> *in
[11:06] <edmoore> we do
[11:06] <edmoore> someone in brittany would be excellent
[11:06] <edmoore> cyber monkeys, find a brittanic ham!
[11:07] <jcoxon> edmoore #hamradio perhaps once we are airborne
[11:07] <Laurenceb> I guess it depends hugelky on the excess lift and hole size
[11:07] <Laurenceb> yeah, but dont want any pranksters
[11:07] <Laurenceb> hamradio guys are usually responsible
[11:07] <edmoore> jcoxon: i tried on there yesterday, but i agree that once there's something up in the air, it'll probs float better
[11:07] <djellison> I am not your cyber monkey. I am your cyber bitch, and I only use my talents to find pubs near landing points.
[11:07] <Laurenceb> maybe once its a way out and we cant get much reception
[11:07] <juxta> edmoore: remember that ham that emailed me re my use of the LIPD band?
[11:08] <edmoore> juxta: yup
[11:08] <jcoxon> oh ed we're going to need to drill the vent, ive got the 1.5mm bit
[11:08] <juxta> I found out why some hams have issue with LIPD's here
[11:08] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: thats the same size as previously?
[11:08] <djellison> Any hams on the IoW
[11:08] <edmoore> jcoxon: do you have a drill?
[11:08] <jcoxon> edmoore, no
[11:08] <juxta> edmoore: before the frequencies were designated for LIPD use in Aus, they were very commonly used repeater input frequencies
[11:09] <edmoore> jcoxon: we can probably manage something here
[11:09] <jcoxon> cool
[11:09] <edmoore> juxta: ok. i presume they still kind of think that they own them
[11:09] <juxta> when the LIPD frequencies were defined, it caused massive headaches for all the hams, having to move their repeaters etc
[11:09] <juxta> edmoore: there are still repeaters in that band =\
[11:09] <Randomskk> what's the rough predicted flightpath?
[11:10] <djellison> Pressgang this guy into it - he sounds perfect - http://www.india-whisky.org.uk/page3.html
[11:10] <edmoore> i don't think they'll notice 10mW
[11:10] <Randomskk> or really, east or west of weybridge? :p
[11:10] <juxta> infact, there's one on 434.650 - exactly my tx frequency
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[11:10] <juxta> not in my state luckily ;p
[11:10] <edmoore> right, coffee time
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[11:10] <djellison> Fully kitted out ham who likes digi modes and can do 70cm - in the IoW. That'll push your horizon another 100km south at least.
[11:11] <jcoxon> on my wiki under Ballasthalo3 page there is a kml of the flightpath
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[11:12] <Randomskk> djellison: wow, he dos
[11:13] <djellison> JC - Ed - one of you should ping that Ham and ask him
[11:14] <Randomskk> both just left :p
[11:14] <Laurenceb> Isle of wihite?
[11:14] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: yea
[11:15] <Laurenceb> hes familiar with fldigi?
[11:15] <Randomskk> they use digimodes and have 70cm setup
[11:15] <djellison> Look at his highly appropriate website - http://www.india-whisky.org.uk/page3.html
[11:15] <Randomskk> I suspect they could install fldigi if asked nicely, or otherwise send telemetry
[11:16] <djellison> It's not like dlfldigi is hard to use. I can do it. (Seriously)
[11:16] <djellison> JC's guide on his wiki is all he needs
[11:16] <juxta> heh, that ham has photos up from visiting here
[11:17] <Laurenceb> http://www.india-whisky.org.uk/sstv/
[11:17] <Laurenceb> nice
[11:18] <juxta> oh yeah, those pics are from here too ;p
[11:18] <djellison> The chase team won't be able to get further south than that guy
[11:18] <djellison> without getting wet
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[11:19] <Laurenceb> I hope they dont burst the balloon
[11:19] <Laurenceb> too much helium or hole too small and it bursts
[11:20] <Laurenceb> also the float altitude is dependant on the amount of helium and the hole, as is the duration
[11:20] <djellison> It's a very unscientific scientific process
[11:20] <Laurenceb> IMO they should go for small hole and enough helium to stabilise at 25Km
[11:20] <Laurenceb> yeah we need sme proper sim code for this
[11:21] <djellison> 1.5mm isn't exactly huge. Error bars on that, given balloon stretch etc, must be huge
[11:21] <Laurenceb> ascent at <3m/s and a 1mm or so hole and they should reach france
[11:21] <Laurenceb> helium leaks very well
[11:21] <djellison> Pissing Ethanol over St Malo as they go.
[11:21] <juxta> I thought this was a zero pressure PE?
[11:21] <Laurenceb> I dont think so
[11:21] <djellison> Qu'est-ce que c'est
[11:22] <djellison> Qu'est-ce que c'est ? Merde - c'est l'ethanole
[11:22] <Laurenceb> AIUI its a latex
[11:22] <djellison> Everyone too nervous to be the first UKHAS to go with a ZP. Understandably.
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[11:23] <hsmith> ZP???
[11:23] <juxta> zero pressure
[11:23] <Randomskk> heya fergusnoble
[11:23] <Laurenceb> not exactly, just that they are a pain to make
[11:23] <hsmith> educate me - what's the significance?
[11:23] <juxta> basically a big platic bag, open at one end
[11:24] <juxta> (the bottom end)
[11:24] <juxta> as the balloon rises, the helium expands and some flows out
[11:24] <Randomskk> like a hot air balloon, but with helium?
[11:24] <juxta> resulting in float at a certain altitude
[11:24] <juxta> yeah
[11:24] <djellison> Zero Pressure. http://www.eoss.org/faq/zero_pressure.htm
[11:24] <juxta> cept you can't heat it up for a bit more lift ;p
[11:25] <djellison> So if you fly with a zero-pressure, but with a means of dropping ballast, you can get a very very long flight
[11:25] <Laurenceb> juxta: look at MIR
[11:25] <Laurenceb> http://ballons.cnes.fr:8180/html/mir/mir_gb.htm
[11:25] <djellison> Hence todays test of a ballast dropping mechanism. But under a cheaper easier balloon.
[11:25] <hsmith> got it .... so, why controversial?
[11:25] <Randomskk> does anyone have or know of this python script that does the DL stuff? I have normal fldigi on this but not dl-fldigi
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[11:26] <djellison> Well - it doesn't burst, so you have to have a reliable means of cutting down from it. It could go for thousands and thousands of KM's.
[11:26] <juxta> nice Laurenceb
[11:26] <djellison> At that point - you have to think of the amateur radio laws for each country you might fly over
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[11:26] <djellison> Plus the aviation rules regarding balloons all the way downrange etc etc
[11:26] <juxta> have a look at these guys: http://stratocat.com.ar/bases/4e.htm
[11:26] <juxta> payloads upto 2 tonnes, hehe
[11:27] <djellison> AND - VHF wont do the job over the horizon so you have to start using lower frequencies, or satellite tracking.
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[11:27] <hsmith> got it - I understand ...
[11:27] <djellison> It's the next logical step, but it's a big one.
[11:27] <Randomskk> could you do a circumnavigation? :p
[11:27] <djellison> LOVE the reflected IR radiance idea on that envelope
[11:28] <djellison> Start with a big enough balloon and enough ballast - sure, why not :)
[11:29] <juxta> there are some people who've done launches soley with hot air also, using black tetroons, using sunlight to heat the air within and provide lift
[11:29] <djellison> Piccard and Jones did it, in a Rozier, but that's a hybrid design.
[11:29] <hsmith> given the margins of error on balloon flights of this type today, how do air traffic controls get alleviated?
[11:29] <djellison> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:restrictions_legality?s=caa
[11:30] <Laurenceb> the point is to use the IR radiation at might to keep flying without any ballast
[11:30] <Laurenceb> the problem is it cant fly above some weather systems
[11:31] <Laurenceb> so never flies forever unfortunately
[11:31] <Laurenceb> I looked at some numbers and a 5m diameter MIR balloon might work - somewhat buildable size
[11:32] <Laurenceb> http://ballons.cnes.fr:8180/html/mir/resmi_gb.htm
[11:32] <Laurenceb> 69 days is the record
[11:35] <Randomskk> should the python script still be working?
[11:38] <Randomskk> hmm looks like its port number for fldigi was wrong or something
[11:39] Action: Laurenceb just reads from the log file
[11:40] <Laurenceb> how does the python script connect?
[11:41] <Randomskk> not entirely sure what it's doing right now, but the part that was erroring was where it should be making an XMLRPC connection to fldigi
[11:41] <Randomskk> however it was using an incorrect port number
[11:41] <Randomskk> however it's not asking me to make a config file which I think it should be?
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[11:42] <Randomskk> also fldigi is moping about sound device being unavailable again, great
[11:43] <juxta> Randomskk: fldligi supports XMLRPC connections? =\
[11:44] <Randomskk> apparently
[11:44] <juxta> well that's convenient
[11:44] <juxta> to discover *after* writing a daemon to parse its damn logfile ;p
[11:45] <Randomskk> uhhhm
[11:45] <Randomskk> I'm not entirely sure what that server is actually doing, on second thoughts
[11:45] <Randomskk> it may just be transmitting anything sent to it on that socket
[11:46] <Randomskk> perhaps it is sheer coincidence that fldigi listens a few ports over
[11:46] <Randomskk> but the python script attempts to connect to an xmlrpc server on localhost:7362 or such
[11:46] <Randomskk> fldigi listens on 7322 or such
[11:46] <Randomskk> not sure what is meant to be running on localhost then
[11:47] <juxta> --xmlrpc-server-port PORT
[11:47] <juxta> Set the XML-RPC server port. The default is 7362.
[11:47] <Randomskk> no, it would definitely appear to be trying to talk to fldigi
[11:47] <juxta> http://w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp/xmlrpc-control.html
[11:47] <Randomskk> apparenly I do just need to tell fldigi to isten
[11:51] <Randomskk> uhm
[11:51] <Randomskk> my fldigi doesn't do --xmlrpc-server-port
[11:53] <juxta> guess it's not compiled in then
[11:53] <Randomskk> silly ubuntu deb
[11:53] <Randomskk> I got the binary of the latest version from their site and now it works
[11:54] <Laurenceb> yeah the repo version is way out of date
[11:55] <Randomskk> it's not that old
[11:55] <Randomskk> newer then the dl-fldigi :p
[11:56] <Randomskk> but doens't seem to have xmlrpc enabled
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[11:57] <Laurenceb> hi
[11:58] <Laurenceb> g8khw-iPhone: you at the launch site?
[11:59] <g8khw-iPhone> Nope - working today
[12:00] <g8khw-iPhone> Caught in the money and no time or time and no money trap
[12:02] <g8khw-iPhone> Bbl
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[12:07] <Randomskk> okay fldigi setup and seems to be working
[12:08] <Randomskk> should I be submitting to spacenearus or robharrison?
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[12:24] <juxta> Randomskk: I think the result is the same
[12:24] <Randomskk> okay
[12:25] <jcoxon> submit to roberharrison
[12:26] <jcoxon> thats where the parsing etc is done, it then forwards to spacenear.us
[12:27] <jcoxon> the python client is really old, dl-fldigi is a lot better
[12:33] <djellison> Goign to nip out, try and get dlfldigi running at home in the off chance that it'll pick up on my omni before I get home.
[12:40] <Randomskk> woo
[12:40] <Randomskk> yagi can pick up another repeater on a closer frequency pretty well
[12:41] <Randomskk> only 17km away but no los, still S9+20
[12:49] <gordonjcp> Randomskk: which band?
[12:52] <Randomskk> 434
[12:53] <Randomskk> well okay that's not really a band, but anyway the yagi is designed for 434.2 and the repeater was 433.2 output and that was pretty strong
[12:53] <gordonjcp> okay
[12:53] <gordonjcp> well even at 70cm LOS isn't totally critical
[12:54] <Randomskk> yea
[12:54] <Randomskk> the yagi was pointing at the repeater approximately, but there are a load of trees, buildings etc in the way
[12:54] <Randomskk> hopefully with a balloon in the sky that will be less of an issue :P
[12:55] <gordonjcp> Randomskk: well
[12:55] <gordonjcp> try for some LEO satellites for practice ;-)
[12:55] <gordonjcp> 100mW at 350 miles range
[12:55] <Randomskk> aren't they typically circularly polarised and not on 434?
[12:56] <gordonjcp> no, they're on 70cm
[12:56] <Randomskk> oh neat.
[12:56] <Randomskk> but circularly polarised?
[12:56] <gordonjcp> doesn't make any difference
[12:56] <Randomskk> fair enough
[12:56] <Randomskk> and how do I find them?
[12:56] <gordonjcp> well, it *does* but you don't need to worry about it
[12:56] <gordonjcp> gpredict
[12:57] <Randomskk> and what fancy data do I get from them?
[12:57] <gordonjcp> depends what you're listening to
[12:57] <Randomskk> right, gpredict installed
[12:57] <gordonjcp> some just send telemetry in CW
[12:57] <gordonjcp> where are you?
[12:57] <Randomskk> Surrey, UK
[12:58] <gordonjcp> okay
[12:58] <gordonjcp> so a little further south than me but you should see approximately the same things
[12:58] <gordonjcp> AO-51 should be coming up son
[12:58] <gordonjcp> *soon
[12:59] <gordonjcp> it won't be very high
[12:59] <gordonjcp> your best bet will be to try the 14:55 pass and expect to get it properly on the 16:31 pass
[13:00] <Randomskk> might be tracking a balloon at that point
[13:00] <Randomskk> what's AO-51 send?
[13:00] <gordonjcp> let's see, what mode is it in...?
[13:00] <gordonjcp> http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/satellites/status.php
[13:01] <juxta> hrmm, fldigi is being odd. I have it running on my desktop, transmitting RTTY down an audio cable to my laptop, perfect signal on the waterfall, but the laptop is only decoding about 30% of it
[13:01] <gordonjcp> mmm, today it's transmitting telemetry, you won't hear much
[13:01] <gordonjcp> okay, don't bother about AO51 for now
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[13:02] <gordonjcp> Randomskk: does your radio do SSB?
[13:03] <Randomskk> yes
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[13:03] <Randomskk> gpredict is pretty cool
[13:03] <gordonjcp> okay so anything with a CW beacon you can hear
[13:04] <Randomskk> it does CW too, with a tight filter
[13:04] <gordonjcp> Randomskk: hint - do *not* enable all the GPS satellites
[13:04] <Randomskk> heh
[13:04] <g8khw-iPhone> Launch still sheduled for 2:00?
[13:04] <Randomskk> it seems to think AO-51 will be here in 20 minutes ish
[13:05] <gordonjcp> it will, but you won't hear much
[13:05] <gordonjcp> the only UHF downlink is 9600bps digital, which just sounds like white noise :-)
[13:06] <Randomskk> voice repeater as well?
[13:06] <Randomskk> I have no idea where I'd point to pick it up, either
[13:12] <Randomskk> AO-27 seems to be passing directly overhead
[13:13] <Randomskk> in 6min
[13:15] <g8khw-iPhone> Bbl
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[13:21] <edmoore> ok, we're at churchill
[13:21] <gordonjcp> Randomskk: you're unlikely to hear anything from AO-27 without a time machine
[13:21] <edmoore> payload being prepped
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[13:23] <Randomskk> edmoore: cool
[13:24] <Randomskk> gordonjcp: how come?
[13:24] <gordonjcp> Randomskk: it doesn't work any more
[13:24] <Randomskk> :( the page still says operational
[13:24] <gordonjcp> also it was only ever turned on over the US
[13:24] <Randomskk> ah
[13:24] <gordonjcp> Randomskk: nearly everything on the Internet about amateur satellites is hopelessly out of date
[13:24] <Randomskk> that would explain why I didn't hear anything
[13:24] <Randomskk> AO-51 is coming in from the wrong angle to be easy to hear
[13:25] <Randomskk> AO27 would have been perfect :P
[13:25] <gordonjcp> well, wait until a later pass
[13:25] <Randomskk> yea
[13:25] <Randomskk> edmoore: should be all ready to track once it gets over the horizon here
[13:25] <Randomskk> my yagi seems to be working well
[13:26] <Randomskk> gordonjcp: http://www.ao27.org/AO27/index.shtml suggests that it is in fact still operational
[13:27] <gordonjcp> Randomskk: well, try it
[13:27] <Randomskk> I did, but didn't hear anything
[13:27] <gordonjcp> Randomskk: but afaik it's been dead for a while
[13:27] <Randomskk> however that site would also suggest that the analogue repeater is only on for 420 seconds from 20 seconds past midnight
[13:27] <Randomskk> presumably the pass over the states
[13:36] <Randomskk> heh, trying to decide what window to lean out of
[13:36] <Randomskk> depends what point it comes into view for me for
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[13:37] <edmoore> Randomskk: for fun, calc the altitude it should be when you think you should see it
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[13:38] <Randomskk> depends on how good this KML flight path prediction is :P
[13:38] <djellison> FWIW - here in Leicester, I've never heard a balloon at Cambridge below 6km - but always got them down to 3km at the far end. Very strange
[13:38] <Randomskk> once it starts drifting south I can go camp in the loft, windows facing south and southwest nicely plus power, warmth and height
[13:39] <Randomskk> but on the approach from the north I'm less lucky
[13:39] <djellison> I've had to do the same sort of planning
[13:40] <Randomskk> this is where having an ft817 would be pretty convenient
[13:40] <djellison> Most flights head E, SE from Camds and I can do that out of the spare room.
[13:40] <Randomskk> battery powered and lightweight and all that
[13:40] <Randomskk> but the ic is way more awesome :P
[13:40] <Randomskk> yea, the spare room here has a large window looking approximately east, so I can get pretty much nne to sse there
[13:40] <Randomskk> nne might be enough
[13:40] <djellison> But todays flight being more S and SSE - I'm mounting my Yagi on a pole, which is mounted on a wooden stake with jubilee clips, which will be screwed to my shed :)
[13:40] <Randomskk> my house has no north-facing windows though
[13:40] <Randomskk> that sounds like a much better idea
[13:40] <djellison> Mr Heath, meet Mr Robinson
[13:40] <Randomskk> wish I had a pole and something to mount my yagi to it with
[13:41] <Randomskk> could just stick it out the loft window and get enough height to clear the roof
[13:41] <Randomskk> then just rotate at my leisure
[13:41] <djellison> I'll only get about 3-4m of elevation out of it all
[13:41] <djellison> I'll leave the elevation to the payload
[13:41] <Randomskk> I'd just need to clear athe roof
[13:41] <Randomskk> I should have bought a bit of pvc right-angle to connect the end of the yagi to some more pipe
[13:42] <Randomskk> in the interim maybe some tape will do
[13:42] <djellison> Payload's on the tracking site at Churchil;l
[13:48] <edmoore> get french hams, cybermonkeys!
[13:49] <djellison> Ed - we found a guy in the IoW - email him -
[13:49] <djellison> http://www.india-whisky.org.uk/page3.html
[13:49] <djellison> Unless you intend to swim - he's PERFECT
[13:49] <djellison> 70cm's - digi mode - the works
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[13:50] <edmoore> looking more like 2.30
[13:50] <edmoore> for float reasons
[13:50] <djellison> Good. Later is better ;)
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[13:53] <djellison> I wonder if the ballast will even reach the ground or if it'll evaporate before it gets there
[13:55] <junderwood_> Payload appears to be in Churchill College bar. Replenishing ballast?
[13:57] <edmoore> yep
[13:57] <edmoore> just poured
[13:59] <russss> lol
[14:00] <Randomskk> should my dipole elements be parallel or perpendicular to the ground?
[14:00] <Randomskk> uh, yagi elements. dipole as well I guess
[14:03] <djellison> perpendicular
[14:03] <djellison> but to be honest it doesn't make THAT much difference
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[14:03] <edmoore> Randomskk: vertical
[14:04] <edmoore> they have to be aligned(polarised) in same direction as balloon antenna
[14:07] <juxta> what's the graph below the tracker?
[14:09] <djellison> Altitude
[14:10] <juxta> oh nice
[14:13] <g8khw-iPhone> Any eta for launch?
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> (01:50:06 PM) edmoore: looking more like 2.30
[14:15] <g8khw-iPhone> Ta bbl
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[14:17] <djellison> Very considerate for the team to wait till WISE launched out of Vandenberg AFB before launching BallastHalo3
[14:19] <russss> heh yeah, I was watching that
[14:19] <Randomskk> okay yagi mounted on a long stick
[14:20] <Randomskk> I think it shoudl clear the roof and thus point in any direction I want
[14:20] <Randomskk> hurrah
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[14:27] <Randomskk> launch?
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[14:29] <djellison> No data points since 1 - so it's not turned back on and outside yet
[14:33] <edmoore> just going utside
[14:33] <edmoore> outside
[14:33] <edmoore> delayed by ethanol leak
[14:34] <edmoore> bbiab
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[14:36] <Randomskk> hm
[14:36] <Randomskk> got parts for my new computer
[14:36] <Randomskk> case comes with a note from antec
[14:36] <Randomskk> "we're really sorry, there was a post-QC issue and we discovered some fans have a slight issue with the speed control. but we can't open thousands of boxes to check, so we've just included a complete new set of fans
[14:37] <Randomskk> "if yours are faulty, please replace with the included spares. if not, feel free to use and enjoy them as you see fit"
[14:38] <djellison> I'm looking an an Antec sonata case right now
[14:38] <Randomskk> hey edmoore when you get back: do you have tha python script that works out bearing of the balloon given your current pos? the one for the autorotator
[14:38] <djellison> Great to work on
[14:38] <Randomskk> djellison: this is a p180 mini
[14:38] <Randomskk> it's fantastic
[14:38] <Randomskk> my old case was a p180 full size and is my favourite case ever
[14:38] <Randomskk> wanted microatx this time so got p180 mini
[14:42] <djellison> Payload's back on the tracking site with a new packet
[14:43] <hsmith> has the launch occured yet/
[14:43] <djellison> no - soon though
[14:44] <Randomskk> which tracker site are we using?
[14:44] <hsmith> cool
[14:44] <djellison> I'm watching http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[14:44] <hsmith> nice
[14:45] <Randomskk> okay
[14:46] <Randomskk> I hope edmoore still has that python script, that'd be super useful
[14:49] <juxta_> the standalone reporting one Randomskk?
[14:49] <Randomskk> any that will tell me where to point
[14:50] <juxta_> what're you making?
[14:50] <juxta_> or do you mean where to post data?
[14:50] <Randomskk> I just want to know what direction to point my yagi in
[14:50] <Randomskk> they have a python script that controls their rotator
[14:50] <juxta_> oh, haha
[14:50] <Randomskk> you feed it your position and it downloads balloon position
[14:51] <Randomskk> position
[14:51] <juxta_> got it :)
[14:51] <juxta_> yep
[14:51] <juxta_> well, it's not too hard to write something to give you a bearing ;p
[14:51] <Randomskk> reinvent the wheel and all that :p
[14:51] <Randomskk> plus downloading from the website etc takes time and debugging, which we don't exactly have once they launch
[14:52] <juxta_> true
[14:52] <juxta_> is your tagi on a tripod or something?
[14:52] <juxta_> yagi*
[14:52] <juxta_> (auto rotated?)
[14:52] <juxta_> or are you moving it by hand?
[14:53] <Randomskk> hand atm
[14:53] <djellison> I've emailed that ham in the IoW in the hope that he'll get it before it gets to him
[14:53] <juxta_> ah you should be able to find it easily then Randomskk, just wave it around a bit :D
[14:54] <Randomskk> heh true
[14:57] <djellison> Looks like they're ready to go soon - payload on and back out on the cricket pitch
[14:57] <juxta_> is this the first yagi you've made/used?
[14:57] <djellison> Ballast level percentage is jumping about all over the place though
[14:58] <russss> the ballast sensor is a bit all over the place
[14:58] <russss> heh
[14:58] <Randomskk> juxta_: yup
[14:58] <russss> I'm not really sure what it's meant to be.
[14:58] <djellison> Percentage of full based on attenuation of light, I think
[14:58] <russss> yeah
[14:59] <russss> I assume the graph at the bottom is altitude (that's new, right?)
[14:59] <djellison> Yup
[14:59] <juxta_> Randomskk: it's really easy, you'll get it straight away. I went out with a ham recently and tracked & recovered a weather balloon using only a yagi and vectors on a map based on where I thought the yagi's signal was strongest
[14:59] <djellison> Walking out onto the cricket pitch
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[14:59] <juxta_> worked out ok, and i'd never done it before ;p
[15:00] <djellison> Hi Steve - they're on the cricket pitch, I think they'll be going any minute.
[15:00] <juxta_> g8khw-iPhone: thanks a bunch, GPS arrived today :)
[15:01] <djellison> Looks like she's away
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[15:01] <Randomskk> juxta_: freedom of movement is somewhat impaired here
[15:01] <russss> there it goes
[15:01] <Randomskk> but eh, I should be okay
[15:01] <juxta_> are you indoors?
[15:01] <Randomskk> listening out for the morse signal to track it to start with
[15:01] <Randomskk> I am, but the antenna isn't
[15:01] <juxta_> ah
[15:02] <russss> hmm, not sure about this ballast sensor
[15:02] <djellison> The payload thinks it's 1528
[15:03] <russss> surely that should be GPS time?
[15:03] <Randomskk> not hearing anything yet
[15:03] <Randomskk> I suspect I'll have to give it a while
[15:04] <juxta_> yeah - how far away are you Randomskk?
[15:04] <junderwood_> I have the signal in Bicester. Still too weak to decode
[15:04] <Randomskk> surrey
[15:04] <djellison> Ohh - let it get to 5km before you start worrying
[15:05] Action: juxta_ consults google maps
[15:05] <Randomskk> will do
[15:05] <Randomskk> juxta_: weybridge on google maps
[15:05] <juxta_> oh, that's quite a distance
[15:06] <djellison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php is getting good packets - looks like about 200m/minute
[15:06] <russss> spacenearus is reasonable now too
[15:06] <djellison> spacenear.us tracker is reporting weird times
[15:06] <djellison> it thinks it's 4pm already
[15:07] <russss> ah true
[15:07] <russss> yeah that's odd
[15:07] <djellison> From launch - it's accelerated like, a minute per second almost
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[15:07] <djellison> But the packets are healthy - http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[15:08] <djellison> Still 200m/min steady
[15:08] <junderwood_> Decoding data from Bicester at 1.5 km (100 km away!)
[15:08] <djellison> WOW
[15:08] <djellison> Is it steady or is it phasing in and out with the swing?
[15:08] <russss> one of the things I want to try once I get my USRP working is assigning confidence values to decoded characters then trying to brute-force using the checksum
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[15:09] <Randomskk> which should be stronger, the cw or the rtty?
[15:10] <russss> aren't they both the same power?
[15:10] <Randomskk> hypotheticaly
[15:10] <djellison> CW is like a radio hammer, even if it's a soft hit, you still feel it :)
[15:11] <juxta_> junderwood_: nice, what antenna?
[15:11] <russss> depends how you define stronger I guess
[15:11] <djellison> There we go- time has sorted out on the tracker
[15:11] <russss> yeah. heh
[15:11] <djellison> and the paylod has magically gone back in time :)
[15:11] <Randomskk> getting very faint rtty now
[15:11] <russss> nice graph
[15:12] <juxta_> the graph is going wrong for me
[15:12] <russss> yeah because the time was wonky
[15:12] <juxta_> it's a time travelling balloon
[15:13] <djellison> four temps are onboard, on GPS, on ballast pump, and external
[15:13] <djellison> -5 outside already
[15:14] <russss> the ballast percentage is still not looking that reliable
[15:14] <russss> fluctuating between 15 and 150
[15:14] <djellison> it may settle down once it gets higher and the paylod becomes more stable
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[15:15] <djellison> sloshing around at low altitude + attenuated measurement = unreliable
[15:16] <djellison> still bang on 200m/minute
[15:16] <djellison> 60-70m between 20sec packets
[15:17] <juxta_> Randomskk: how are you going with receiving it?
[15:18] <Randomskk> not got any coherent text
[15:19] <Randomskk> heard faint rtty a moment ago
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[15:20] <juxta_> hmm, are you able to wave the antenna about?
[15:20] <Randomskk> yea
[15:20] <obfuscatr> is there some info anywhere? like, how high will it go?
[15:21] <djellison> http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas/browse_thread/thread/3534b215403610de
[15:21] <juxta_> try sweeping it around to see if you can improve your signal, if you haven't yet Randomskk
[15:22] <djellison> Still bang on 200m/minute
[15:23] <edmoore> hrm, bit faster than ideal
[15:24] <Randomskk> 8bit rtty?
[15:24] <Randomskk> or 5 or 7
[15:24] <edmoore> 8
[15:24] <Randomskk> I'm hearing it but it's not decoding it
[15:24] <juxta_> Randomskk: try the r/v button also
[15:24] <edmoore> IMPORTANT: who is uploading?
[15:25] <djellison> dl-fldigi is on at home, but isn't tuned
[15:25] <Randomskk> not me, yet
[15:25] <Randomskk> wooo
[15:25] <Randomskk> $$ATLAS,194,15:24:53l52.
[15:25] <juxta_> :D
[15:25] <edmoore> could people? james is going to have to relocate, and we can't get online until about 4.30 cos of an annoyance
[15:25] <Randomskk> should be now
[15:26] <Randomskk> okay bbl holding antenna
[15:26] <djellison> The moment I get in Ed, I'll phone with an update
[15:26] <juxta_> let me know when it will be clearing my horizon and i'll tune in edmoore :)
[15:26] <edmoore> ok, about to go afk
[15:26] <edmoore> we're about to relocate
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[15:29] <juxta_> Randomskk: dont see your packets showing up @view.php - do you have the 'enable detection and extraction' tickbox ticked?
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[15:29] <Randomskk> using the python one
[15:29] <Randomskk> any of them yet?
[15:30] <juxta_> Randomskk: neg - just the announce line when you initally connected
[15:30] <juxta_> I haven't used the python script, is it still current?
[15:30] <junderwood_> juxta_ Antenna is home made Yagi. 5 directors
[15:31] <juxta_> nice junderwood_
[15:31] <juxta_> Randomskk: another announce
[15:31] <juxta_> junderwood_: are you still receiving it?
[15:32] <junderwood_> Nicely.
[15:32] <juxta_> but not uploading?
[15:32] <junderwood_> Am I not. Let me check
[15:32] <juxta_> doesn't seem to be
[15:32] <juxta_> nobody is right now :(
[15:33] <Randomskk> shit
[15:33] <Randomskk> think the python script isn't working
[15:33] <junderwood_> Aaargh. Software glitch
[15:33] <juxta_> Randomskk: do you have dl-fldigi?
[15:33] <Randomskk> no
[15:34] <Randomskk> guess now is the time to get it
[15:34] <juxta_> guess so ;p
[15:34] <juxta_> it doesnt need installing
[15:34] <Randomskk> did sbas.. get it working on fiesty
[15:34] <Randomskk> inux
[15:34] <juxta_> ah, I've not tried it under linux
[15:34] <Randomskk> how do I get reviison 63
[15:34] <Randomskk> svn
[15:34] <juxta_> good question though
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[15:35] <ssapphiree> hi all :)
[15:35] <juxta_> Randomskk: as in check it out from svn?
[15:35] <Randomskk> yes
[15:36] <Randomskk> just checkout -r?
[15:36] <Randomskk> svn checkout -r63 http://dl-fldigi.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ dl-fldigi-read-only
[15:36] <Randomskk> svn: Unable to find repository location for 'http://dl-fldigi.googlecode.com/svn/trunk' in revision 63
[15:36] <juxta_> svn checkout http://path.to.svn.repo/trunk project-name
[15:36] <Randomskk> need r63
[15:36] <juxta_> ah
[15:36] <Randomskk> lol my dual band whip is picking up the rtty just fine
[15:36] <Randomskk> much easier for me
[15:39] <Randomskk> all the telemetry is being logged lcoally here at lest
[15:39] <ssapphiree> natrium42: are you here? :)
[15:39] <russss> aha, there are packets from BICSTR now
[15:39] <juxta_> is that junderwood_?
[15:39] <djellison> can you paste two consecutive ones so we can check progress :0
[15:39] <russss> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[15:39] <junderwood_> That's me
[15:40] <Randomskk> $$ATLAS,232,15:38:8,51.9271,-0.0772,7307,8,2.0;10;0;0;7;7;-23;93;0;9;0;0*77
[15:40] <Randomskk> $$ATLASl233,15:38:46,51.9184,-0.0814,7392,7,2.0;10;0;0;7;7;-23;100;0;2;0;0*79
[15:40] <Randomskk> $$ATLAS,234,15:39:6,51.9138,-0.0836,7436,7,2.2;10;0;0;7;6;-24;100;0;9;0;0*4A
[15:40] <Randomskk> $$ATLAS,235,15:39:26,51.90;1,-0.0858,7474,8,2.2;10;0;0;7;6;-24;100;0;9;0;0*7A
[15:41] <juxta_> Randomskk: did you see this page?
[15:41] <juxta_> https://launchpad.net/~simrunbasuita/+archive/dl-fldigi
[15:41] <Randomskk> yes
[15:41] <djellison> hmm - 120m/min
[15:41] <Randomskk> conflcits with existing but removing existing
[15:41] <juxta_> ah
[15:41] <djellison> It's dropped a lot
[15:42] <juxta_> http://ppa.launchpad.net/simrunbasuita/dl-fldigi/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dl-fldigi/
[15:42] <juxta_> source is there if that's what you wanted?
[15:42] <Randomskk> is it getting it?
[15:42] <Randomskk> can'T find a tickox to enable esending
[15:43] <Randomskk> DL client tab ha atlas selected but all fields empty
[15:43] <russss> Randomskk:yes
[15:43] <russss> I think
[15:43] <Randomskk> sentence delim]? field? no. of?
[15:43] <juxta_> configuration
[15:43] <juxta_> misc -> text capture
[15:43] <russss> you can see it here: http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[15:43] <juxta_> enable detection and extraction
[15:44] <russss> it looks pretty set to overfly Heathrow at this point ;)
[15:44] <Randomskk> okay ticked
[15:44] <Randomskk> not seeing it on the view page
[15:45] <juxta_> hmm, perhaps restart dl-fldigi?
[15:45] <Randomskk> I hope this binry is the righ version
[15:46] <juxta_> looks like it's showing up Randomskk
[15:46] <juxta_> but the wrong number of fields?
[15:46] <Randomskk> my no. fields column is blank on config
[15:46] <Randomskk> what should all the values be
[15:46] <juxta_> sec
[15:47] <russss> yeah, seems that if there's no checksum field, it just accepts it :P
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[15:47] <juxta_> Randomskk: 8 fields
[15:47] <djellison> 150m/min now - down from its 200m from earlier
[15:48] <juxta_> after you save that you may need to restart again
[15:48] <juxta_> haha you're right russss, it looks bound for heathrow
[15:49] <russss> it should make a sharp turn quite shortly when it hits the jetstream. Fingers crossed.
[15:49] <juxta_> I dont know what your CAA are like, but CASA here would murder me if I went over an airport ;p
[15:49] <Randomskk> http://pastie.org/742672
[15:49] <russss> I'm not sure london area control would see the funny side.
[15:50] <Randomskk> still doesn't appar to be uploaing anything
[15:51] <juxta_> hrm, well I'm guessing that's an error you got when dl-fldigi tried to announce
[15:51] <Randomskk> yea
[15:51] <juxta_> let me try to logon
[15:52] <Randomskk> I suspect due to lack of ' around UNKNOWN
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[15:52] <juxta_> shoudlnt be a need for quotes as they're floats/doubles
[15:53] <Randomskk> but it' trying to save UNKNOWN
[15:53] <Randomskk> vs th other fields 'UNKNOWN'
[15:53] <juxta_> oh wait, did you specify those fields?
[15:53] <Randomskk> no
[15:53] <Randomskk> but I didn't put anyhting in them
[15:53] <juxta_> config -> operator
[15:53] <juxta_> just make something up for callsign, name, qth and lat, lon
[15:54] <juxta_> actually, maybe just lat and lon & callsign
[15:55] <juxta_> I should get to bed, it's 2:30am here
[15:55] <juxta_> I anticipate waking up to find heathrow was closed due to an unidentified balloon
[15:55] <juxta_> ;p
[15:56] <russss> how well do these things show up on radar I wonder
[15:56] <juxta_> russss: without a radar reflector, not much chance at all
[15:56] <juxta_> Randomskk: you announced successfuly that time
[15:56] <russss> meh, nobody'll notice then.
[15:57] <russss> it's crossed the M25.
[15:58] <Randomskk> it is POSTing to the server
[15:58] <Randomskk> th data
[15:58] <Randomskk> gets 200OK
[15:58] <Randomskk> but not appearing on the list
[15:59] <juxta_> hmm
[15:59] <juxta_> what url is t po3tilg to?
[16:00] <djellison> 140m/min
[16:00] <juxta_> and is it posting the atlas packets, or just the announce string?
[16:00] <Randomskk> aha it is getting an err
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[16:00] <jcoxon> hey all
[16:01] <Randomskk> <BR><PRE></PRE>Checking that number of fields posted is correct<BR>
[16:01] <Randomskk> Invalid field count!<BR>
[16:01] <Randomskk> FAILED: Field count failed expecting 0 fields received 9 fields <BR>
[16:01] <Randomskk> jcoxon: dl is not working for me :p
[16:01] <jcoxon> sorry, struggling to find a place to set up
[16:01] <Randomskk> getting data in lovely but python script does fa and dl-fldigi is sending data but not working
[16:02] <jcoxon> go to www.robertharrison.org/listen/test.phone
[16:02] <jcoxon> and
[16:02] <jcoxon> and enter. manually
[16:02] <Randomskk> reply from server is http://pastie.org/742690
[16:03] <jcoxon> engineering is like a Faraday cage
[16:03] <juxta_> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/test.php
[16:03] <juxta_> not test.phone ;p
[16:04] <jcoxon> no && or $$
[16:04] <jcoxon> am on my phone, predictive text
[16:04] <Randomskk> aha, it worked that time
[16:04] <juxta_> haha, i see :)
[16:05] <Randomskk> okay i hink I need settings for dl-fldigi
[16:05] <Randomskk> th fields on dl client tab
[16:05] <russss> so err
[16:05] <Randomskk> no fields, entence, field delim, etc
[16:05] <russss> jcoxon: it's heading directly for heathrow
[16:05] <Randomskk> sorry cold hands and tiny keyboard
[16:05] <juxta_> Randomskk:
[16:05] <juxta_> delim = $$
[16:05] <juxta_> field delim = ,
[16:05] <juxta_> 8 fields
[16:07] <jcoxon> randomskk, can't you select the payload from the drop down list?
[16:07] <Randomskk> huh
[16:07] <Randomskk> turn out I can
[16:07] <juxta_> hahaha
[16:07] <Randomskk> but i need to select nott atlas
[16:07] <juxta_> ;p
[16:07] <Randomskk> then atlas again
[16:08] <rjmunro> It seems to be going forward in time again.
[16:08] <Randomskk> it defaults to atlas, and if I drop down and click atlas still nothing
[16:08] <jonsowman> afternoon guys
[16:08] <Randomskk> anyhway working
[16:08] <Randomskk> seems to be transmitting now
[16:08] <Randomskk> yo jonsowman
[16:08] <djellison> I'm heading off - home soon to do tracking
[16:08] <juxta_> either way, working now :)
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[16:08] <Randomskk> okay finally :p
[16:08] <juxta_> hehe
[16:08] <Randomskk> I have the last half hour or so of data on my hard drive then
[16:08] <Randomskk> but it is now sending it properly apparently
[16:08] <juxta_> are you still using your whip Randomskk?
[16:09] <Randomskk> yes
[16:09] <jcoxon> are we getting data then?
[16:09] <Randomskk> getting a really strong signal
[16:09] <Randomskk> jcoxon: yes all good now
[16:09] <juxta_> yeah we are jcoxon
[16:09] <Randomskk> whip is just sitting on loft window
[16:09] <jcoxon> mapped?
[16:09] <Randomskk> the roof is even in the way but it is still strong
[16:09] <juxta_> jcoxon: yep
[16:09] <Randomskk> S3 or so on the radio
[16:10] <Randomskk> interestingly I don't hear the cw
[16:10] <juxta_> jcoxon: good mapping the whole way, with only a couple of spells for a few minutes where software glitched etc and no data was plotted
[16:10] <jcoxon> good, cause I have to wait for ed before I can track
[16:11] <Randomskk> I have a load of data that wasn't mapped
[16:11] <Randomskk> will export it later
[16:11] <juxta_> current heading is very close to heathrow though as russ menitoned before
[16:11] <juxta_> russss* even
[16:11] <Randomskk> lol stupid whip
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[16:12] <russss> it is above 24500ft though, which means it's not in controlled london airspace :P
[16:12] <juxta_> Randomskk: I'd be interested to know how much the signal fades as the payload comes above you
[16:12] <juxta_> you guys are lucky
[16:12] <Randomskk> will let you know
[16:12] <juxta_> *all* australian airspace is controlled at that altitude
[16:13] <russss> it's controlled, but below 24500ft it's controlled more. As I understand it.
[16:13] <Randomskk> worst case I can just plug yagi back in
[16:13] <russss> it is just going to brush the eastern edge of heathrow
[16:13] <juxta_> above FL245 (24.5k feet) is class A airspace
[16:14] <jcoxon> yeah we are at 12km so above there
[16:14] <jcoxon> its a bit close for comfort
[16:14] <juxta_> here you need clearance to fly in class A, but it's not as bad as lower down, you're right
[16:14] <Randomskk> hm
[16:14] <Randomskk> it lost gps lock
[16:14] <jcoxon> it'll come back
[16:14] <Randomskk> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/16:13:49/51.5005/-0.3675/12266/6/-10/0/-4/-41/82/0/58/0/0*3A
[16:14] <Randomskk> oh, yup, it did
[16:14] <russss> class A is the most controlled ICAO airspace though :P
[16:15] <jcoxon> it occasionally drops, more missing a char and failing a checksum
[16:15] <Randomskk> lol balloon is getting very close
[16:16] <russss> it's at FL406 now, which is above anything which might be flying there
[16:16] <juxta_> 5km from heathrow now
[16:17] <juxta_> 3.5km to the end of the runways
[16:17] <junderwood_> Heathrow is in no danger :-) If it bursts now it will lang in Woking
[16:17] <junderwood_> land
[16:17] <juxta_> hehe
[16:17] <juxta_> true
[16:18] <jcoxon> perhaps should have warned them
[16:18] <junderwood_> actually, closer to Guildford now
[16:18] <Randomskk> it's practically gonna go over my house
[16:18] <jcoxon> though probably best to just drift by
[16:18] <jcoxon> no plane will be that high over Heathrow anyway
[16:19] <juxta_> no plane will be that high, period ;p
[16:19] <jcoxon> thanks guys for the telemarketing
[16:19] <jcoxon> oops telem *
[16:20] <jcoxon> stupid phone
[16:20] <juxta_> haha
[16:20] <Randomskk> I don't receive the cw
[16:20] <Randomskk> might need to increase flter width
[16:20] <juxta_> russss: looks like it's in class C right now according to UK airspace regs
[16:20] <Randomskk> is it actual cw or fm?
[16:20] <russss> juxta_: yes, I think so
[16:21] <juxta_> C from fl195-fl660
[16:21] <juxta_> Australia:
[16:21] <juxta_> Class A is used above FL 180 along the populated coastal areas, and above FL 245 elsewhere.
[16:21] <juxta_> DAMN YOU AUSTRALIA!!
[16:22] <russss> why class A *above* FL245?
[16:22] <russss> were the air traffic controllers too bored?
[16:22] <juxta_> because this is Australia
[16:22] <juxta_> everything is illegal here
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[16:23] <jcoxon> cw is on a different frequently, 434.225
[16:23] <juxta_> Randomskk: how's it going re passing over you?
[16:24] <Randomskk> stil getting a strong signal
[16:24] <Randomskk> bit weaker than before
[16:24] <Randomskk> s1 ish
[16:24] <Randomskk> very decodable though
[16:24] <Randomskk> it's still getting closer
[16:24] <juxta_> how close would you say it it is to you?
[16:24] <Randomskk> f you look at the map, I'm in Weybridge
[16:24] <Randomskk> just a bit south of current position
[16:25] <juxta_> 3kmish
[16:25] <Randomskk> something like that yea
[16:25] <g8khw-iPhone> Just hearing it via a station in Dorset
[16:25] <Randomskk> signal is getting weaker as it passes over
[16:25] <Randomskk> very weak
[16:25] <Randomskk> the antenna has the roof blocking it to the north
[16:26] <Randomskk> so should be able to pick it up southards for a while
[16:26] <g8khw-iPhone> Not strong enough to decode yet
[16:26] <Randomskk> then if it loses it, back to the yagi
[16:26] <Randomskk> once it's south life is a lot easier
[16:26] <Randomskk> can sit yagi on the window
[16:26] <juxta_> Randomskk: rotate the antenna a bit
[16:26] <juxta_> your whip will have a dead spot dfirectly above
[16:26] <juxta_> a conical dead spot
[16:27] <juxta_> maximum gain is at about 45 degrees, payload is 80ish degrees above you now
[16:28] <Randomskk> but that means having to hold it :p
[16:28] <juxta_> haha
[16:28] <Randomskk> I woner if my yagi is affecting the whip
[16:29] <juxta_> shouldnt be, unless you have them rangled up or something ;p
[16:29] <juxta_> tangled*
[16:29] <Randomskk> they are quite close
[16:29] <Randomskk> signal is fading a fair bit
[16:30] <juxta_> unless you start putting the yagi above the whip it won't impact its performance
[16:30] <juxta_> how close is the payload to your place Randomskk?
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[16:30] <juxta_> looks like it passed about 1.5km next to the center of weybridge (according to google erath)
[16:31] <jcoxon> sun is setting, watch the light1 reading
[16:31] <ssapphiree> guys... magnetic field makes ions circling, isn't it?
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[16:31] <Randomskk> one sec, grabbing latlon
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[16:32] <jcoxon> sunsetting, watch light1
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[16:32] <Randomskk> 51.36532N 00.45104W
[16:32] <Randomskk> to within 75m
[16:33] <juxta_> ok, so it passed 2.5km or so from you
[16:34] <Randomskk> lol nice
[16:34] <Randomskk> shame it's too high and dark to see
[16:34] <juxta_> ~80 degrees elevation, no wonder it faded ;p
[16:34] <juxta_> light sensor seems to be working great
[16:34] <Randomskk> only 53% ballast left?
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[16:34] <juxta_> Randomskk: nah, ballast sensor is all over the place
[16:34] <Randomskk> lol fair enough
[16:34] <Randomskk> hi edmoore
[16:34] <edmoore> hi
[16:35] <Randomskk> finally got a dl clint working
[16:35] <edmoore> ok we're back
[16:35] <juxta_> hi edmoore
[16:35] <edmoore> Randomskk: good news
[16:35] <Randomskk> python script didn't work at all
[16:35] <edmoore> hi juxta_
[16:35] <juxta_> i still can't pick it up yet edmoore
[16:35] <Randomskk> dl-fldigi took a bit of effort to get submitting
[16:35] <edmoore> :p
[16:35] <Randomskk> however it is now sending data
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[16:35] <Randomskk> my yagi works, but the thign is about 3km from me and the whip is far more convenient
[16:35] <Randomskk> hi sbasuita
[16:35] <sbasuita> hallo
[16:36] <Randomskk> are you tracking or was daniel?
[16:36] <sbasuita> neither
[16:36] <sbasuita> oh wait
[16:36] <Randomskk> :(
[16:36] <sbasuita> yes i need to set up
[16:36] <Randomskk> ah cool
[16:36] <edmoore> get on it GCSE cru!!
[16:36] <juxta_> payload is about 16,200 km from me
[16:36] <Randomskk> lol my dualband 2m/70cm whip picked it from the other side of london
[16:36] <juxta_> anticipate my whip should get it soon
[16:36] <sbasuita> what are the radio parameters?
[16:36] <Randomskk> juxta_: lol
[16:36] <Randomskk> sbasuita: 434.075 usb
[16:36] <Randomskk> rtty 50baud 8bit 350 shift 1.5 stop
[16:37] <sbasuita> hearing it nicely
[16:37] <Randomskk> atlas payload
[16:37] <Randomskk> cool
[16:37] <Randomskk> what antenna do you have?
[16:37] <sbasuita> whip
[16:37] <sbasuita> from in my room on the wrong side of the house ;)
[16:37] <Randomskk> :p
[16:38] <Randomskk> I will probably swap to yagi when the whip starts to lose it
[16:38] <Randomskk> s3 at though
[16:38] <Randomskk> atm*
[16:38] <juxta_> any hams on board to help if you cross the channel?
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[16:40] <djellison> I'm back - omni is getting fairly good packets on its own
[16:40] <sbasuita> decoding nicely ;)
[16:40] <djellison> Going to get rigging my Yagi
[16:41] <juxta_> my balloons arrived today
[16:41] <juxta_> finally
[16:42] <sbasuita> How do I know if dl is uploading?
[16:42] <djellison> Check http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[16:42] <Randomskk> text bo next to daud 50
[16:42] <Randomskk> "data sent" etc
[16:42] <juxta_> sbasuita: what callsign did you enter in it?
[16:42] <Randomskk> then check that to see tha it went through
[16:42] <sbasuita> juxta_, m6sbx
[16:42] <sbasuita> no text in that box
[16:42] <natrium42> ohi
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[16:43] <sbasuita> oh
[16:43] <sbasuita> lat+long
[16:43] <sbasuita> where is the listener list?
[16:43] <juxta_> sbasuita: put your callsign in, plus your lat + lon
[16:43] <juxta_> then go to misc -> text something or other (last option)
[16:43] <juxta_> and enable detection and extraction
[16:44] <juxta_> looks like it's pretty dark?
[16:45] <sbasuita> ok done those
[16:45] <sbasuita> no text still
[16:45] <juxta_> isnt it only 4pm in the UK?
[16:45] <russss> sunset was about 15:50
[16:45] <juxta_> might need to retsart dl-fldigi
[16:45] <juxta_> sunset at 4pm? :S
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[16:45] <jcoxon> hey all
[16:45] <russss> it's 16:45 now
[16:45] <juxta_> hi jcoxon
[16:45] <sbasuita> jcoxon, hello
[16:45] <juxta_> light seems to be working
[16:45] <jcoxon> sunset here was at 15:51
[16:46] <Randomskk> jcoxon: is the cw actual cw or tones on fm?
[16:46] <sbasuita> jcoxon, i'm decoding but fldigi isn't uploading
[16:46] <sbasuita> jcoxon, no text in the status area bit
[16:46] <sbasuita> brb
[16:46] <juxta_> so wait, i'm still trying to get my head around this, the sun sets before close of business hours?
[16:46] <jcoxon> uhuh
[16:46] <juxta_> wow
[16:46] <Randomskk> not getting the cw at all
[16:46] <jcoxon> Randomskk: don't worry about hte CW
[16:46] <russss> juxta_: yeah, welcome to 51 degrees latitude in the winter...
[16:47] <Randomskk> but I wanna hear it :(
[16:47] <juxta_> haha
[16:47] <jcoxon> it'll be tones on FM
[16:47] <Randomskk> ah okay
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[16:47] <Randomskk> that'd be why
[16:47] <juxta_> sunset was 8:30pm here today
[16:48] <junderwood_> Right over the centre of Guildford
[16:48] <Randomskk> still can't hear it at all
[16:48] <juxta_> on the right frequency Randomskk?
[16:48] <Randomskk> yea
[16:48] <Randomskk> 434.225?
[16:49] <jcoxon> it will have drifted
[16:49] <juxta_> I don't know, I can't tune and check ;p
[16:49] <junderwood_> What happened to the tracker? It claims to have been at 16km since 1970!!!
[16:49] <sbasuita> i've still got it on 434.075
[16:49] <Randomskk> I tried several bands
[16:49] <Randomskk> sbasuita: can you hear the CW on 434.225?
[16:49] <Randomskk> apparenly in fm mode
[16:50] <sbasuita> Randomskk, no
[16:50] <Randomskk> nor can I :/
[16:50] <jcoxon> oh wait a sec it'll be on SSB
[16:50] <juxta_> jcoxon: that radiosonde I tracked the other day had a crappy transmitter that was adjusted by adjustable caps, when it landed, it jumped about 300khz, we almost lost the damn thing
[16:50] <jcoxon> not thinking properly
[16:50] <sbasuita> Any help with dl-fldigi? I don't think its uploading strings
[16:50] <sbasuita> How do I tell?
[16:50] <Randomskk> sbasuita: check the DL client tab
[16:50] <sbasuita> There is no info text at the bottom
[16:51] <Randomskk> click some other payload
[16:51] <Randomskk> it should fill in boxes
[16:51] <Randomskk> then click atlas again
[16:51] <djellison> JC - what's the carrier shift? 350 seems too wide
[16:51] <juxta_> hmm
[16:51] <Randomskk> 350 is pretty much dead on here
[16:51] <juxta_> 3:30am
[16:51] <juxta_> bedtime for sure now
[16:51] <Randomskk> a litle bit wide maybe
[16:51] <Randomskk> it's nominally 350
[16:51] <juxta_> good luck all
[16:52] <Randomskk> seeya
[16:52] <djellison> I've got the right line BANG on the carrier - the left line is just to the left of the signal
[16:52] <Randomskk> get both near-enough then :p
[16:52] <Randomskk> no point having one dead on and the other off
[16:52] <Randomskk> I just ticked AFC and let fldigi do it
[16:52] <djellison> IF I get it close but average - I get crap all. If I have it bang on either I get something
[16:53] <Randomskk> :/
[16:53] <sbasuita> Aha
[16:53] <sbasuita> Turned off fldigi's squelch
[16:53] <djellison> Nearly got that packet up.
[16:53] <sbasuita> now it gets the $$ and is 'extracting'
[16:53] <jcoxon> sbasuita: yeah thats a common problem
[16:53] <djellison> Still om omni - going to finish setting up Yagi
[16:54] <sbasuita> Where can I see the table of listeners on the tracker?
[16:54] <Randomskk> I need to work out a way to mount the yagi
[16:54] <Randomskk> shame about the polarisation, horizontal would be much easier
[16:55] <Randomskk> this window is now perfect though, facing just the right direction
[16:56] <junderwood_> http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p
[16:56] <sbasuita> junderwood_, thanks
[16:56] <junderwood_> If it makes 35km at this rate, it will land in Normandy
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> What was the float altitude last time/
[16:57] <sbasuita> Hmm, my co-ordinates are a bit off ;P
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> And was the ascent value comparable?
[16:57] <russss> maybe we should find some people in france? ;)
[16:58] <natrium42> oui
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[17:04] <jcoxon> time seems to be a bit off
[17:07] <Daviey> Has float been achieved?
[17:07] <russss> oh yeah, it was doing that earlier.
[17:08] <jcoxon> i'm not sure why - the data is correct
[17:08] <jcoxon> must be a bug in the server/tracker
[17:08] <jcoxon> Daviey: not yet
[17:09] <jcoxon> though teh ascent rate is beginning to slow
[17:09] <Daviey> it should have tho, right?
[17:09] <jcoxon> its about hte right time for it to start floating
[17:09] <jcoxon> though its not an exact science!
[17:09] <sbasuita> jcoxon, what's the predicted flight path?
[17:09] <Daviey> sbasuita: Channel islands :o
[17:09] <sbasuita> hehe
[17:09] <jcoxon> sbasuita: straight out
[17:10] <jcoxon> the higher it gets the more east it'll swing
[17:10] <sbasuita> Well, seems to be swinging west at the moment ;)
[17:11] <Daviey> hopefully it'll get higher and go due east, and i can save it before it gets wet :)
[17:11] <Daviey> err, due west
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[17:13] <edmoore> btw, would people mind recording wav samples (of about 20-30s) of telemetry?
[17:14] <edmoore> especially when it's only just audible
[17:14] <edmoore> it would be very useful data both generally and specifically for me, as I'm trying to model channel noise :)
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[17:16] <hascent> what are the chances for recovery?
[17:17] <jcoxon> hascent: really depends on whether it floats
[17:17] <jcoxon> the chances are low
[17:18] <hascent> of course, but is it flying with cutdown etc>
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[17:18] <junderwood_> If it bursts now it will land on the beach at West Wittering. Next stop - France.
[17:19] <hascent> how many people are tracking this - where is the Spacenear.us data coming from?
[17:20] <junderwood_> http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p
[17:21] <sbasuita> edmoore, recording now for you. Dunno about weak, but I've got plenty off hdd space to leave it running.
[17:22] <djellison> jc - the ascent rate was more like 200m/min to start with - then down to about 180, and 150 at about 1600
[17:22] <jcoxon> yeah it might still float
[17:22] <djellison> Now it's what - 45m/min?
[17:22] <djellison> Sorry - 120m/min
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[17:28] <hascent> great stuff jcoxon: must leave now. look forward to learning the outcome. bibi
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[17:34] <junderwood_> Losing it here. Only 10° above the horizon in a bad direction
[17:34] <jonsowman> whos chasing this one?
[17:35] <sbasuita> jonsowman, out to sea?
[17:35] <jonsowman> ah ok
[17:35] <jonsowman> fair enough
[17:35] <russss> well, someone could follow it to the coast, I guess
[17:35] <jonsowman> thats what i was wondering
[17:35] <russss> hopefully we have enough signal to see how the ballast performs...
[17:37] <sbasuita> My reception is starting to deteriorate =/
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[17:37] <djellison> Getting partial packets here. My Yagi on a stick idea bombed - so back on Omni
[17:38] <djellison> Going to try the Yagi upstairs not on a stick and move if it works
[17:42] <natrium42> does the tracker work for you guys?
[17:42] <russss> spacenear.us seems to be hanging
[17:42] <russss> heh
[17:42] <natrium42> :S
[17:42] <russss> the ajax request isn't completing. http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php shows the latest results though
[17:42] <natrium42> i didn't change anything
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[17:42] <natrium42> it is actually, but no idea why nothing happens after that...
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[17:46] <djellison_> On the Macbook + Yagi from the spare room and getting it well
[17:46] <djellison_> $$ATLAS,584,17:45:48,50.7910,-0.8056,23231,5,1.2;10;0;-25;-15;-21;-48;0;0;46;0;0*64
[17:46] <djellison_> ALTHOUGH the previous packet was a bit off
[17:46] <jcoxon> okay about to go out to sea :-S
[17:46] <djellison_> Is this payload or reception - LAS/No GPS Data/17:44:44/50.8017/-0.8036/23189/2/-25/-15/-21/-48/0/0/46/0/0*21
[17:47] <jcoxon> yes thats okay
[17:47] <djellison_> I'm getting great packets up here - wow
[17:48] <djellison_> Ascent rate's jumped
[17:49] <djellison_> It's now 210m/sec
[17:49] <Daviey> http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p :(
[17:50] <ssapphiree> bye all
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[17:50] <djellison_> Sweet - my packets are going in.
[17:50] <djellison_> Thought I was done for the night when Yagi-on-a-stick was a washout
[17:50] <Daviey> not quite at sea then :)
[17:51] <djellison_> $$ATLAS,597,17:50:41,50.7429,-0.8045,24178,8,1.6;10;0;-26;-15;-22;-48;0;0;62;0;0*68
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[17:51] <russss> spacenear.us still not working for me
[17:51] <Daviey> russss:no, but working via kml on google maps
[17:52] <jcoxon> well it ain't coming back now
[17:52] <jcoxon> :-p
[17:53] <junderwood_> Hasn't been coming back for quite a while!
[17:53] <jcoxon> true :-p
[17:53] <junderwood_> France is still reallistic if it makes 35 km (or floats)
[17:54] <djellison_> JC - what are the figures telling you in the downlink - has it done anything cunning yet?
[17:54] <natrium42> russss, working on it...
[17:54] <natrium42> i get invalid JSON for some reason
[17:54] <natrium42> ooh, maybe i should sanitize data :P
[17:56] <jcoxon> djellison_: they are telling me its very cold and dark but as its not floating its not even considering dumping ballast
[17:56] <djellison_> 90m/min on that packet
[17:56] <russss> heheh
[17:57] <djellison_> Does it have a max ascent rate it considers 'float'?
[17:57] <Daviey> it's not over water yet, is it?
[17:57] <natrium42> ok, refresh
[17:57] <natrium42> :P
[17:57] <jcoxon> djellison_: between +1 and -1
[17:58] <natrium42> russss, i didn't escape "
[17:59] <Laurenceb> hi
[17:59] <Laurenceb> how long have we been in the air
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[17:59] <Laurenceb> its cold up there
[18:00] <natrium42> -49C on external temp sensor
[18:00] <natrium42> jcoxon, did it dump ballast yet?
[18:00] <Laurenceb> nice work with the ballast data
[18:01] <Daviey> Laurenceb: looks like first packet logged @ 13:35:51
[18:01] <djellison_> Ahhh. +1-1 is a bit..err...harsh :)
[18:01] <Laurenceb> natrium42: could you add a direction indicator?
[18:01] <Laurenceb> then itd be good for rogallo wings as well
[18:01] <Laurenceb> the extra data is really neat
[18:01] <natrium42> on the map or into the box?
[18:02] <Laurenceb> maybe in the box
[18:02] <Laurenceb> so velocity and direction indicator
[18:02] <natrium42> sure, it's easy
[18:02] <Laurenceb> well velocity is direction, but I'm being pedantic
[18:02] <djellison_> Just broken 220km distance for me.
[18:02] <natrium42> hehe, velocity vector!
[18:02] <natrium42> :P
[18:02] <Laurenceb> pcharts is good
[18:02] <Daviey> So - should we take bets on it reaching france? :)
[18:02] <Laurenceb> for that sort of thing
[18:03] <natrium42> Laurenceb, i am using some javascript graphing library atm
[18:03] <natrium42> flot
[18:03] <Laurenceb> interesting
[18:03] <Laurenceb> javascript draws the graphs?
[18:04] <natrium42> yep
[18:04] <jcoxon> for a moment hte flight computer thought it was floating
[18:04] <natrium42> no need to send image data between server and browser each time
[18:04] <jcoxon> its eems to be bobbing up and down
[18:04] <natrium42> jcoxon, it supposed to dump at 25km or 20km?
[18:05] <jcoxon> its supposed to dump when float :-S
[18:05] <jcoxon> which might have been a bad idea
[18:05] <jcoxon> floating*
[18:05] <Daviey> jcoxon: Does the ballast have anti-freeze in>?
[18:05] <jcoxon> its ethanol
[18:05] <Laurenceb> natrium42: thats interesting, pcharts uses libpng
[18:05] <Daviey> oh cool.
[18:05] <Laurenceb> but it looks very neat
[18:06] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: ascent dropping maybe?
[18:06] <Daviey> at float \o/ :)
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[18:07] <edmoore> have emailed isle of wight amateur radio club in the hope of having some listeners there
[18:07] <edmoore> that would buy us a lot of extra range
[18:07] <edmoore> but we really need some Channel island/ Isle of wight listeners
[18:07] <djellison_> I emailed that one awesome looking ham earlier
[18:08] <djellison_> I can't believe I'm getting solid packets from here : http://twitpic.com/tie2z/full
[18:08] <djellison_> See what I mean about the carrier offset though - it's wider than it seems to be on the waterfall
[18:08] <Laurenceb> nice
[18:08] <natrium42> something wrong with gps time
[18:09] <Laurenceb> thats odd
[18:09] <edmoore> good work doug
[18:09] <sbasuita> I don't think I'll be picking up much else this evening
[18:09] <sbasuita> edmoore, got your wav cooked
[18:09] <edmoore> sbasuita: are you on a whip?
[18:09] <sbasuita> edmoore, yes
[18:09] <edmoore> ok
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> tracker screwup?
[18:10] <edmoore> you could bodge a yagi with a sheet of wood and glue some elements to it
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> 2E0SKK : ATLAS,647,18:9:36,50.5584,-0.8224,26222,9,1.0;10;0;-28;-18;-24;-50;0;0;75;0;0*57 Insert into tracker:
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> which is about right
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: I've used cardboard and foil, to make a TV ant
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> (timewise)
[18:10] <Laurenceb> djellison_: if you do a proper analysis of the link budget, range is thousands of Km
[18:11] <natrium42> SpeedEvil, it's back to being correct now
[18:11] <djellison_> Yeah - but I'm a radio spaz - so 220km is AMAZING :)
[18:11] <natrium42> it had a couple of 19:xx:xx times
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> missed that skimming
[18:11] <Daviey> this is such a timesink, just watching the graph :)
[18:11] Nick change: edmoore -> edmoore_M0TEK
[18:11] <Daviey> good in'it
[18:11] Action: natrium42 switched graph to using server time instead of gps time...
[18:12] <djellison_> Down to 60m/sec now I think
[18:12] <Randomskk> meh swapped to yagi
[18:12] <djellison_> Per min even
[18:12] <Randomskk> it works great but means holding it the whole time
[18:12] <djellison_> Mine's trapped in a window :)
[18:12] <Randomskk> I've rigged it to a kinda halfway polarisaton and it works but the signal isn't as good
[18:13] <Jasperw> It it likely to get to france?
[18:13] <edmoore_M0TEK> Jasperw: depends on whether or not it establishes a float
[18:13] <Laurenceb> as long as you have line of sight of course
[18:13] <natrium42> SpeedEvil, hmm, you are right though -- time is not 0 padded
[18:13] <Laurenceb> but at 26Km..
[18:13] <Jasperw> so still ascending?
[18:14] <djellison_> Back up to 150m/sec
[18:14] <Laurenceb> line of sight is crazy
[18:14] <SpeedEvil> if it gets float, and dumps, surely it's just going to pop?
[18:14] <edmoore_M0TEK> yes, although slowly, and somewhat strangely in the last 30 mins
[18:14] <Laurenceb> whats the burst altitude?
[18:14] <edmoore_M0TEK> probably about 35 and current rate
[18:14] <edmoore_M0TEK> at*
[18:15] <djellison_> 1m below float :)
[18:15] <Jasperw> it said atfloat 0:10 just then
[18:15] <djellison_> Just to be evil
[18:16] <djellison_> down to 60m/min again
[18:16] <rjmunro> How long does it have to float before it dumps the first lot of ballast?
[18:17] <djellison_> Is it also doing morse - and is that going to be easier to pull out the noise at range
[18:17] <Daviey> ballast level seesm to be decreacing
[18:17] <jcoxon> rjmunro: 20mins
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> Daviey: it's bouncing around +-10% or so
[18:17] <Laurenceb> might be the sensor going screwy
[18:17] <jcoxon> fooolish decision in hindsight
[18:17] <hsmith> how did the launch go
[18:17] <Laurenceb> it is kind of cold
[18:17] <edmoore_M0TEK> might be the dreaded gravity waves again
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> And had been for a while
[18:18] <djellison_> I think the ballast level measurement is best described as 'approximate' :)
[18:18] <hsmith> I am following the track, and will get a receiver for next time
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> Woo - gravity wave detection - you'll be famous!
[18:18] <Laurenceb> edmoore_MOTEK: yeah we've seen them beofre
[18:18] <edmoore_M0TEK> hsmith: the launch went pretty well, now we watch and wait
[18:18] <Laurenceb> it is approx the brunt-vasala frequency
[18:19] <Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunt%E2%80%93V%C3%A4is%C3%A4l%C3%A4_frequency
[18:20] <djellison_> Did anyone else get interference just then - three loud clicks?
[18:20] <Jasperw> is there any way to zoom in or out of the alt graph on the webpage?
[18:21] <djellison_> What this payload needs is a sodding camera to keep it all warm :)
[18:21] <djellison_> 33m/min on that packet
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[18:23] <djellison_> then 120 again. It's really bobbing up there
[18:23] <edmoore_M0TEK> gravity waves again :)
[18:23] <edmoore_M0TEK> it's flirting with it
[18:23] <djellison_> It's the Moore-Coxon constant
[18:24] <djellison_> or 'about this much'
[18:24] <edmoore_M0TEK> James suggests that it should be called Coxon-Moore constant
[18:24] <sbasuita> edmoore_M0TEK, currrently uploading 30mins of slowly deteriorating audio to http://zshare.net - ETA 1hr
[18:24] <edmoore_M0TEK> cool, thank you
[18:24] <sbasuita> edmoore_M0TEK, I flac compressed it btw
[18:25] <junderwood_> Wow. 171 km, 8.5 degrees above the horizon and still getting an inteligible signal (and did I mention the trees?)
[18:26] <djellison_> Trees? TREES? I've got next-doors extension in the bloody way :d
[18:27] <djellison_> Crap - it barely moved for three packets - then jumps 20-30m
[18:28] <Daviey> jcoxon: Next one needs an airspeed indicator :)
[18:28] <djellison_> 70m/min
[18:28] <edmoore_M0TEK> woah
[18:28] <Laurenceb> lol
[18:28] <obfuscatr> how much did it cost? are there pictures? can it hold a gerbil?
[18:28] <Laurenceb> wormhole
[18:29] <Laurenceb> freaking LHC
[18:29] <Jasperw> lol
[18:29] <Daviey> WAT - Rate: 586.8 m/s
[18:29] <edmoore_M0TEK> checksum should have caught that
[18:29] <djellison_> Frickin Gerbils
[18:29] <jcoxon> obfuscatr: lots, yes, yes but not legally
[18:29] <Laurenceb> need CRC16
[18:29] <djellison_> Frozen Gerbil sir? Not tonight Harry.
[18:29] <Jasperw> muti bit error?
[18:29] <djellison_> That is a COLD payload James
[18:30] <russss> I think I've seen one or two errors slip past the checksum
[18:30] <Laurenceb> approaching halfway across the channel
[18:30] <Daviey> 833.5 m/s
[18:30] <djellison_> You should have it doing folding@home or something to keep the components as hot as possible :)
[18:30] <russss> maybe needs a few more checksum bits
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[18:30] <natrium42> woowaweewa
[18:30] <edmoore_M0TEK> bit odd
[18:31] <djellison_> 250km from M6DGE :)
[18:31] <djellison_> Can I get a badge please
[18:31] <obfuscatr> is this the first part of our invasion of France? tell me it is.
[18:31] <Jasperw> woah again.
[18:31] <Laurenceb> bug in the crc code?
[18:31] <edmoore_M0TEK> phase one: drop polystyrene blocks on them from the sky
[18:32] <russss> is it just dropping a digit off the altitude?
[18:32] <edmoore_M0TEK> phase two: ????
[18:32] <edmoore_M0TEK> phase three: victory
[18:32] <djellison_> Phase 2 - Urinate Alchol
[18:32] <natrium42> Laurenceb, no, The Simpsons laws of gravity
[18:32] <djellison_> Phase three - PROFIT
[18:32] <Jasperw> temp3 has a corrupt char now
[18:32] <russss> yeah
[18:32] <russss> checksum fail
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> i don't see any significant slowdown in alt
[18:32] <junderwood_> That was a long wait for a packet
[18:32] <Jasperw> would the payload float if it came down at sea?
[18:32] <djellison_> Alt's been up and down a lot
[18:33] <djellison_> 50m/min atm
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> djellison; yeah - but.
[18:33] <m0vfc> @edmoore_M0TEK: question on GB3PY on the way home: what's being used in the ballast tank such that it doesn't freeze? just ethanol?
[18:33] <russss> atfloat: at float
[18:33] <SpeedEvil> djellison: plot it all in one graph, and there isn't really a systematic slowing down happening.
[18:33] <edmoore_M0TEK> checksum mother******. Do you speak it?!
[18:34] <russss> (presumably that's ascentrate < 1.0)
[18:34] <edmoore_M0TEK> ethanol/methanol
[18:34] <m0vfc> thanks :-)
[18:34] <natrium42> edmoore_M0TEK, wht?
[18:35] <rjmunro> Are there graphs anywhere of the parameters other than altitude, e.g. the tempratures and the ballast level?
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> awk '/into track/{getline;print}' view.php |awk -F'[,;]' '/ATLAS/&&$3~/^[0-9]+:[0-9]+:[0-9]+/&&NF==19{print $3,$6,$17}' sort of provesses the view.php sensibly
[18:36] <jcoxon> rjmunro: the ballast hasn't been dropped
[18:37] <jcoxon> unfortunately the parameters to drop require float - a mistake in hindsight
[18:37] <djellison_> Float..bitch.
[18:37] <rjmunro> jcoxon: I was wondering about a graph showing the instability of the sensor.
[18:37] <Laurenceb> another gravity wave coming up
[18:37] <Randomskk> more duct tape later and the antenna is handsfree
[18:37] <Randomskk> although not optimal
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> rjmunro: very, very unstable
[18:37] <Randomskk> however I have to go soon for an hour or so
[18:38] <Randomskk> hopefully I'll still be able to pick it up when I get back
[18:38] <djellison_> 28,504 506 503 499
[18:38] <rjmunro> SpeedEvil: Has the stability improved or got worse over time / altitude?
[18:38] <Laurenceb> the altitude/time graph is interesting
[18:38] <Laurenceb> maybe thats sunset?
[18:38] <djellison_> now it's 495
[18:39] <Laurenceb> the gradient change
[18:39] <djellison_> The light sensor should kick in
[18:39] <Daviey> jcoxon: Have you published the ATLAS code?
[18:39] <Laurenceb> how long before pump turns on?
[18:39] <jcoxon> Daviey: i can but i'd be embarrased...
[18:39] <Laurenceb> how many float seconds?
[18:39] <jcoxon> Laurenceb: 20mins
[18:39] <Laurenceb> ouch
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/full.gif is a graph of the tank sensor
[18:40] <Laurenceb> not much chance of that atm
[18:40] <SpeedEvil> (the inflections are bogus times - the 'real' graph is about the same)
[18:40] <Daviey> jcoxon: heh.. i had a similar dicussion this week :)
[18:40] <Daviey> sometimes open source isn't great, and binary blob is better :)
[18:40] <djellison_> Pump seconds - 49 is that a lie?
[18:40] <Daviey> yes
[18:41] <Laurenceb> interesting behaviour
[18:41] <djellison_> Damn.
[18:41] <djellison_> Ahh - it's off again - 90m/min
[18:41] <djellison_> Is this not just a cunning ploy to get the UK alt record?
[18:41] <Laurenceb> maybe two leds, one near to the photodiode
[18:41] <SpeedEvil> FR
[18:41] <djellison_> And an excuse literally, and digitally, to piss on the French?
[18:41] <Laurenceb> ie above theballast
[18:41] <Laurenceb> then compare the outputs?
[18:42] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: its not random
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: no, it doesn't look random.
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: it's not very noiseless though
[18:42] <Laurenceb> maybe something to do with the temperature fluctuations
[18:43] <Laurenceb> yeah this is another reason why I though capacitive to start with
[18:43] <Laurenceb> you just have to avoid capillary effects
[18:43] <Laurenceb> thats what made my sensor a bit screwy
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[18:44] <Laurenceb> cmon get to france
[18:44] <hsmith> was it planned to move into The Channel?
[18:45] <edmoore_M0TEK> hsmith: yes
[18:45] <edmoore_M0TEK> we knew it'd be a long flight
[18:45] <hsmith> excellent. Will it be recovered in France?
[18:45] <m0vfc> so who's on the ferry tomorrow morning to go fetch? :-)
[18:46] <Laurenceb> heh
[18:46] <Laurenceb> has to get there first
[18:46] <hsmith> :-)
[18:46] <hsmith> I would hate the team to lose the payload
[18:46] <russss> wasn't it planned to take a detour over wiltshire as opposed to making a beeline for the coast, via heathrow? :P
[18:47] <russss> float_time is in minutes, presumably?
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[18:47] <hsmith> you guys are amazing with this stuff
[18:48] <hsmith> I am impressed
[18:48] <russss> it's nearly at 30km already. it's possible that once it dumps its ballast in 20mins time it'll just go up and burst
[18:48] <djellison> It wont dump unless it knows it's floating
[18:49] <russss> it thinks its floating
[18:49] <russss> atfloat: at float
[18:49] <russss> float_time: 3
[18:49] <djellison> probably a rogue bit
[18:49] <russss> it's been like that for a couple of packets now
[18:49] <russss> now it says no float again
[18:49] <russss> I dunno how the algorithm works
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[18:50] <russss> maybe it's toggling on and off float because the ascent rate is varying
[18:50] <Daviey> at 95,000 ft, it's still got a wind directional trip down.
[18:50] <russss> yeah, look
[18:50] <russss> atfloat seems to trigger when ascentrate < 1.0
[18:50] <djellison> Time to retune - it's chilled off the left of my waterfall again
[18:51] <russss> but the ascent rate is varying above and below 1.0 m/s
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> Is there a phone on it? Or is it just 433+gps?
[18:52] <russss> there is a secondary CW frequency too
[18:52] <russss> but no phone IIRC
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> cw433?
[18:52] <russss> http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas/browse_thread/thread/3534b215403610de
[18:52] <russss> 434.225
[18:52] <russss> although I don't think anyone's succeeded in receiving that.
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> Is it actually on?
[18:53] <junderwood_> Well, I've lost it.
[18:53] <russss> it's meant to be on. you'd have to ask jcoxon
[18:54] <djellison> I can't here the CW - just went looking
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> I meant - has anyone seen it?
[18:54] <djellison> junde r- where are you?
[18:55] <russss> looks like float_time is not resetting when atfloat goes to false
[18:55] <russss> float_time is now 5
[18:56] <Laurenceb> light sensor is useful you can see the ascent rate dropping at sunset
[18:56] <russss> I presume the dump will happen when float_time == 20
[18:56] <Laurenceb> would be useful to plot ascent rate vrs light sensor
[18:56] <Jasperw> Is it possible to add a receiver to the balloon so you can send it commands? (I mean legally possible).
[18:56] <SpeedEvil> yes
[18:56] <SpeedEvil> adds complexity thoguh
[18:56] <djellison> Cat is attempting to retune for me
[18:56] <Daviey> russss: unless i'm mistaken, it has been floating for 6 mins
[18:56] Action: Laurenceb just received his CC1020 eval board today
[18:57] <Laurenceb> I'm aiming to create an uplink with them
[18:57] <russss> Daviey: that's the cumulative amount of float time it's seen though. because it's been at float/not at float a couple of times.
[18:57] <russss> just a note, it doesn't really affect this run
[18:57] <Laurenceb> the UM12 modules from sparkfun can also be used for uplink, but range is only around 150Km maximum
[18:57] <Daviey> oh
[18:57] <Laurenceb> with a custom CC1020 you should get hundereds of Km
[18:58] <Laurenceb> - custom protocol
[18:58] <russss> Jasperw: theoretically uplink isn't the problem because you can fire as much power as your license allows at it.
[18:58] <Laurenceb> I was only going to use 10mw
[18:58] <Laurenceb> but yeah for most peoples HAB projects the UM12 modules from sparkfun should work
[18:58] <russss> Jasperw: wheras downlink you're limited to unlicensed power because no license gives you permission to transmit from an unmanned balloon
[18:58] <RocketBoy> of course it depends on just how much crap the payload can hear from up there
[18:58] <djellison> 10 minutes to climb 300 metres
[18:58] <Jasperw> ok.
[18:58] Action: SpeedEvil wonders about the law in france.
[18:59] <edmoore_M0TEK> I'm not aware that anyone has actually used an UM12 modules for uplinks ever
[18:59] <russss> well at the moment it's in international waters :P
[18:59] <Laurenceb> RocketBoy: yeah
[18:59] <Daviey> float lost.
[18:59] <djellison> I think we'll see float - and we'll see it before 30km
[18:59] <rjmunro> It seems to be turning a lot more eastwards than the predicted track.
[18:59] <russss> it's practically at float
[19:00] <Laurenceb> you can set the bandpass filter to 9Khz so that will help
[19:00] <russss> the at float flag is just flipping on and off
[19:00] <jcoxon> stupid float_time resert
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[19:00] <Laurenceb> RocketBoy: also its ~1dBi gain ant on balloon at 12dBi yagi on ground, so that helps again
[19:01] <russss> oh. *now* the float_time resets.
[19:01] <djellison> dropping bits quite a bit now
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> yeah- starting to level off
[19:02] <djellison> I thought 300k would be a nice finish line for me with yagi stuck out the window...I think I'm going to crap out before then
[19:02] <Laurenceb> how far atm?
[19:02] <djellison> 287
[19:02] <jcoxon> djellison: at present you are the only source
[19:02] <djellison> Muwhahaha
[19:03] <djellison> In that case I'll be leaning out the window hand-pointing if necessary
[19:03] <djellison> I'll copy and paste the half-arsed packets
[19:03] <Laurenceb> hmm line of sight is ~700Km
[19:03] <russss> need moar gain
[19:03] <Laurenceb> are there obsticles in the way?
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> yeah - last one from someone else was 8 mins ago
[19:03] <RocketBoy> laurenceb: don't forget you cant exceed the eirp on transmit - so you will be running a lot less power than 10mW
[19:03] <jcoxon> RocketBoy: any sucess with globaltuners?
[19:03] <djellison> Oh crap - I am.
[19:04] <jcoxon> i can't access them from cambridge
[19:04] <RocketBoy> if you havn't got a ham licence that is
[19:04] <Laurenceb> djellison: do you have obsticles?
[19:04] <RocketBoy> yeah - I'm listening though a station in dorset
[19:04] <djellison> If it keeps going west a bit, I'll be fine
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> Leave him! he'll fall out of the window if you distract him!
[19:04] <Laurenceb> heh
[19:04] <RocketBoy> but its not good enough to copy
[19:05] <djellison> Sorry - wrong way - if it goes West, I'm buggered, East is good.
[19:05] <Laurenceb> thats high
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[19:05] <russss> heh
[19:05] Action: RocketBoy needs to jet down to france
[19:06] <MikeMc> howdy
[19:06] <MikeMc> What's happening?
[19:06] <rjmunro> If it lands in france, does it have french language "please return" instructions?
[19:06] <edmoore_M0TEK> MikeMc: make a yagi!!!
[19:06] <djellison> This is my line of sight - http://twitpic.com/tilug/full
[19:07] <djellison> Retournez le payload pour favour, danke.
[19:07] <MikeMc> lol i doubt i'll have the time for that - plus i don't have the amterials
[19:07] <Laurenceb> seems to be going down
[19:07] <Laurenceb> very slowly
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[19:07] <Laurenceb> few meters
[19:08] <russss> cool
[19:08] <russss> at 29,500m heh
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> Still rising I think
[19:08] <MikeMc> is a launch in progress?
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> 20m/min
[19:08] <Laurenceb> getting crazy cold in there
[19:08] <rjmunro> MikeMc: Yes. http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[19:08] <russss> it's been hovering below 30k for a while
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[19:09] <Daviey> C'est une bombe.
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> it's not floating
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> but it's not far off
[19:09] <djellison> It's getting ratty now
[19:09] <MikeMc> cool i'll fire up the radio and fl-digi
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> MikeMc: we're borderline losing it from the last station
[19:09] <djellison> $$ATLAS,802,19:8:51,49.9744,-0.4676,29385,8,-1.0;11;8;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;0*77
[19:09] <Laurenceb> http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/salad+fingers+4/
[19:09] <russss> computer says it's been floating for 8 minutes
[19:09] <djellison> For the love of god someone else get tracking
[19:09] <russss> 10mins now
[19:09] <Laurenceb> me is behind a big hill
[19:09] <SpeedEvil> djellison: freq?
[19:10] <djellison> It's at 434.07253 for me
[19:11] <djellison> Going for a manual Yagi :)
[19:11] <russss> it'll probably hit france even if it bursts now
[19:11] <MikeMc> what freq?
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> (07:10:12 PM) djellison: It's at 434.07253 for me
[19:12] <edmoore_M0TEK> WE NEED FRENCH HAMS
[19:12] <russss> delicious french hams
[19:12] <edmoore_M0TEK> anyone who knows anyone please get emailing
[19:12] <MikeMc> i hear it
[19:12] <djellison> $$ATLAS,811,19:12:27,49.934,-0.4402,29630,,1.8;10;11;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;0*52
[19:12] <russss> nice sigma
[19:12] <edmoore_M0TEK> if it stays at current altitude it'll hit turin by sunrise
[19:12] <djellison> I thought so :)
[19:13] <jcoxon> djellison: if you post bad data i can put it in manually
[19:13] <djellison> That's what I'll do when I get 'reasonable' packets
[19:13] <djellison> $$ATLAS,813,19:13:11,49.9372,%0.4349,29700,9,1.7;10;11;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;0*5A
[19:14] <jcoxon> damn, not at float
[19:14] <Laurenceb> still going up
[19:14] <russss> jcoxon: what is the criteria for resetting the float_time?
[19:14] <russss> because I saw it reset once
[19:14] <russss> but it doesn't seem to reset every time it goes to no float
[19:14] <jcoxon> goes out of between -1 and +1 for more then 5 cycles
[19:14] <russss> ah
[19:15] <russss> yeah it rese4t
[19:15] <djellison> At least some are getting in
[19:15] <russss> right, I'm going home.
[19:15] <russss> cya in 20mins
[19:15] <edmoore_M0TEK> J'ai besoin de Jambon!!
[19:16] <djellison> 302KM
[19:16] <djellison> Another badge please
[19:16] <djellison> :)
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> Down to 15m/sish
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> m/min
[19:16] <Laurenceb> ooh
[19:16] <Laurenceb> look at the altitude graph
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[19:16] <Laurenceb> exponentially levelling off
[19:17] <djellison> $$ATLAS,822,19:16:27,49.9111,-0.4078,29743,7,-0.1;11;2;-33;23;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;p*4
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[19:17] <Laurenceb> might just level off at 31Km
[19:17] <rjharrison_> ping natrium42
[19:17] <junderwood_> Got a line!
[19:18] <fergusnoble> hey, whats the status
[19:18] <djellison> Getting really crappy now - Ü$&ATLS,825¨19:17+52,49.8996,/0.3929777,7,0.0;11;e;%33;-23;-29;-53+0;0;56z0;0*6D
[19:18] <Laurenceb> hopefully will pass near Le Havre
[19:18] <Daviey> Anybody write fluent french?
[19:18] <edmoore_M0TEK> floating, losing range of uk listeners
[19:18] <djellison> non
[19:19] <Daviey> There are a couple of active french mailing lists I could but a call out to.
[19:19] <djellison> Seriously - CUSF boys - you have a departmental ROOF. Can't you get it?
[19:19] <m0vfc> Daviey: if you e-mail me (robert@m0vfc.co.uk) I can see if I can get a translation back to you in a few minutes
[19:19] <edmoore_M0TEK> not south facing
[19:19] <m0vfc> (work colleague)
[19:19] <m0vfc> (assuming she's around!)
[19:19] <edmoore_M0TEK> m0vfc: do you know any jambons?
[19:19] <djellison> Pah
[19:20] <djellison> Amateurs :)
[19:20] <Laurenceb> is that isle of wight guy about?
[19:20] <djellison> $$ATLUW,831,q9:2!:1,4;877,-0,762,2À12,0*1N;10;9-33;%"3;-39{--ª2;0;-:0;*5B"Ç
[19:20] <djellison> I emailed him - n oreply
[19:20] <fergusnoble> was the transition to float using the ballast?
[19:20] <Daviey> jcoxon: Do you want me to try and get some people in France to help retrieve it?
[19:20] <junderwood_> $$ATLAS,830,19:19:39,49.8812,-0.3776,29893,10,1.1;11;4;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;4;0*56
[19:20] <edmoore_M0TEK> fergusnoble: no
[19:20] <edmoore_M0TEK> just hole so far
[19:21] <Laurenceb> what size balloon is it using?
[19:21] <edmoore_M0TEK> 1.5
[19:21] <Laurenceb> neat
[19:21] <Laurenceb> where are the temp sensors?
[19:21] <Laurenceb> inside and outside?
[19:21] <MikeMc> oooh i almost had a useable string jsut then
[19:21] <djellison> OH - it's gone to crap now - going to try putting yagi on tripod - and getting tripod to stick out the window
[19:21] <djellison> One more packet before I try it
[19:22] <MikeMc> AHA!
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[19:22] <djellison> Ç$4ATLAS,836,9):21:48,49.856,-0.3556,287,±0,-4.4;11;;-73;-239-29-53;0;0;6;0;0.78
[19:22] <MikeMc> $$ATLAS,834,19:1:08,49.8568,-.3556,2985,10,-0.4;11;0;-33;-3;-29;-53;0;0;56;190*78
[19:22] <djellison> Yeah - what he said
[19:22] <djellison> :O
[19:22] <MikeMc> lol
[19:22] <Laurenceb> does the google earth kml update itself?
[19:22] <jcoxon> what freq are you guys using?
[19:22] <djellison> Where are you based Mike?
[19:22] <djellison> I'm on .07253
[19:22] <MikeMc> Orpington , Kent
[19:23] <djellison> Going to try putting it back in the middle of the waterfall
[19:23] <MikeMc> i'm on 4.0754 LSB
[19:23] <djellison> .07203 now
[19:23] <MikeMc> getting a nice strong signal now
[19:24] <RocketBoy> ok im gonna scoot down the cliftops and see what I can hear from there
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[19:25] <djellison> Hang on - is it LSB or USB?
[19:25] <edmoore_M0TEK> usb
[19:26] <m0vfc> one thought: might be worth popping into ON4KST chat and seeing if French amateurs around around in there - they're likely to have EME kind of set-ups, which wouldn't be too shabby :-) http://www.on4kst.com/chat/start.php
[19:26] <MikeMc> i'm using LSB
[19:26] <djellison> Cheat
[19:26] <djellison> ;)
[19:26] <MikeMc> $$ATLAS,847,19:26:5,49.8115,-0.3019,29954,9,0.2;11;5;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;0*54
[19:26] <Laurenceb> ooh close to 30
[19:26] <MikeMc> still gaining altitude
[19:27] <Laurenceb> we dont really want to drop any ballast yet
[19:27] <djellison> $ATLAS,849,19:26:4749.8038,-0.292,2963,±0,8211;5;%33k-23e-2;-u¬ÇDÇR"dÛ
[19:27] <Laurenceb> as itll push it up too fast
[19:27] <MikeMc> $$ATLAS,850,19:27:9,49.7996,m0.2839,29971,9,0.3;11;6;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;0*59
[19:27] <djellison> Going to pull in and try and get the yagi further out the window
[19:27] <Daviey> MikeMc: Are you submitting your results?
[19:28] <MikeMc> doesn't it do it automatically?
[19:28] <MikeMc> where do i insert them?
[19:28] <edmoore_M0TEK> m0vfc: have signed up to that but no password yet
[19:28] <edmoore_M0TEK> suggesting it may be hand moderated?
[19:28] <jcoxon> MikeMc: don't worry they are going up
[19:29] <jcoxon> the checksum is stopping them though
[19:29] <jcoxon> i'll fix them manually
[19:29] <m0vfc> ed: OK I'm not signed up myself, but Gav M1BXF may be able to help
[19:29] <MikeMc> dinnertime - i'll leave it running
[19:30] <Laurenceb> I dont see the last string up on the tracker
[19:30] <edmoore_M0TEK> m0vfc: if you had access to gav, that'd be particularly useful
[19:30] <Laurenceb> ooh there we go nvm
[19:30] <Laurenceb> past 30Km
[19:30] <m0vfc> ed: will ask...
[19:31] <MikeMc> uhuh
[19:31] <edmoore_M0TEK> m0vfc: just texted him
[19:31] <MikeMc> No GPS DATA
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[19:31] <MikeMc> oh it's back
[19:33] <edmoore_M0TEK> SpikeUK!
[19:33] <edmoore_M0TEK> Sir!
[19:33] <edmoore_M0TEK> i don't suppose you could shifty a yagi out in the direction of Le Havre?
[19:33] <edmoore_M0TEK> you're better placed than most
[19:34] <Laurenceb> whats the mass of the payload?
[19:34] <jcoxon> 1.8kg
[19:34] <SpikeUK> edmoore_M0TEK Please give me a few mins
[19:34] <jcoxon> MikeMc: what freq are you on?
[19:35] <edmoore_M0TEK> SpikeUK: thank you muchly
[19:35] <djellison> I think I'm done
[19:35] <sbasuita> edmoore_M0TEK, http://www.zshare.net/download/69894066b9f8889a/
[19:36] <Laurenceb> should make it to 35Km
[19:36] <djellison> ÇÇ$ATLAQ,868,1):3#z5,49.7196,-0.2020,30066,8,-1.4;10;0;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;4*40 was the last slightly comprehendable thing
[19:36] <jcoxon> djellison: what freq?
[19:36] <MikeMc> ATLAS,874,19:36:{,49.6889,-0.1772,30182,8,1.1;11;1;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;0*5F
[19:36] <djellison> Same as before
[19:37] <Laurenceb> MikeMc: where are you?
[19:37] <MikeMc> Orpington, Kent
[19:37] <djellison> .07203
[19:37] <djellison> I might try one more thing
[19:37] <MikeMc> .0755 on LSB for me
[19:41] <MikeMc> $$ATLAS,886,19:40:47,49.6094,-0.1273,30390,8,1.1;10;4;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;0*6C
[19:41] <russss> still no ballast dump then
[19:42] <rjw57> *waves* to edmoore_M0TEK et al
[19:42] <edmoore_M0TEK> hi rjw57
[19:42] <edmoore_M0TEK> you're alive
[19:42] <rjw57> yup. just
[19:42] <edmoore_M0TEK> fairly hefty accident?
[19:42] <rjw57> Absolute bloody mayhem on the A14 this afternoon
[19:42] <jcoxon> if only we could update the code on the fly :-p
[19:42] <SpikeUK> Sorry guys - very weak sig on my HB9CV - not readable
[19:42] <edmoore_M0TEK> well james and i are in sig proc lab, with a definite intention of pub food *at some point*
[19:43] <rjw57> edmoore_M0TEK: Yep, right in the middle of the busiest junction :(
[19:43] <rjw57> Cool
[19:43] <rjw57> I might wander thence
[19:43] <Daviey> monkey patch \o/
[19:43] <russss> jcoxon: I think for the purposes of this test, it might have been better to call anything <2m/s a float ;)
[19:43] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: so float get switched at negative ascent rate?
[19:43] <edmoore_M0TEK> SpikeUK: not to worry
[19:43] <rjw57> It'll take about 45mins so text if there is some other plan which emerges :)
[19:43] <jcoxon> true
[19:43] <edmoore_M0TEK> was worth a shot
[19:43] <Laurenceb> then it takes 20 minutes to dump
[19:43] <jcoxon> but using the last flight as a guide it worked just fine
[19:43] <edmoore_M0TEK> rjw57: ok willdo
[19:44] <jcoxon> thats how i tested it
[19:44] <Laurenceb> and what switches it off?
[19:44] <junderwood_> Based on that last string, it will land in France
[19:44] <russss> heheh
[19:44] <edmoore_M0TEK> i think we might be going sonner rather than later
[19:44] <edmoore_M0TEK> ok rjw57, hows about we say granta at 8.30?
[19:44] <edmoore_M0TEK> bring saf
[19:44] <russss> Laurenceb: <1.0m/s ascent rate turns it on
[19:44] <Laurenceb> aha
[19:44] <russss> and then above 1.0m/s for a certain period turns it off
[19:44] <Laurenceb> I see
[19:44] <jcoxon> and the same for -1
[19:45] <edmoore_M0TEK> fergusnoble: do you have adam g's tele number?
[19:45] <djellison> Miuwhahah - $$ATLAS,895,19:44:3,49.5468,-0.0;56,303<|l-0.4;11;3;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;0*7B
[19:45] <djellison> $$ATLAS,896,19:44:44,49.5344,-0.0898,30377,8,-0.4;21;3;-e;;-23;29;-53;0;0;56;0;0*4F
[19:45] <SpikeUK> edmoore_M0TEK - Sorry Ed - I don't get much of a take off to the south from here.
[19:45] <djellison> It's not quite data as we know it - but it's something
[19:47] <junderwood_> 21km from LeHarvre.
[19:47] <junderwood_> WILL land in France
[19:47] <djellison> 339km from here
[19:47] <edmoore_M0TEK> we need some frenchies
[19:47] <edmoore_M0TEK> jambon to the rescue
[19:47] <russss> heheh
[19:49] <Laurenceb> cmon over the coast
[19:49] <jcoxon> yay for steve (G8KHW)
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[19:50] <russss> jcoxon: yeah, you need support for in-flight programming of payloads ;)
[19:50] <Laurenceb> we need a filtering technique thats resistant to gravity waves
[19:50] <Laurenceb> for ballast control
[19:50] <jcoxon> Laurenceb: your job is to design the matched filter
[19:50] <g8khw-iPhone> I have good copy at cliftops
[19:50] <rjharrison_> cool
[19:50] <Laurenceb> heh
[19:51] <rjharrison_> with internet connection
[19:51] <Laurenceb> I was thinking move along the lines of looking at actual altitude
[19:51] <g8khw-iPhone> 3g is playing up
[19:51] <Ralph_W0RPK> James Coxon: Regarding support from Hams in France, I suggest you contact Gérard Auvray F6FAO via gerard.auvray@alcatel.fr. He has contact with AMSAT-France members.
[19:51] <Laurenceb> e.g. if it has dropped move than 200m below highest altitude
[19:51] <jcoxon> thanks Ralph_W0RPK , hope you are enjoing the flight
[19:51] <rjmunro> If it starts descending at more than 1m/s, does that mean it's no longer floating (according to the algorithm)?
[19:52] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:52] <rjmunro> And therefore it won't dump ballast?
[19:52] <jcoxon> to stop it thinking its floating when it decends
[19:52] <jcoxon> uhuh
[19:52] <jcoxon> in hindsight...
[19:52] <rjmunro> Surely if it's descending that would be a good time to dump ballast...
[19:52] <g8khw-iPhone> Gonna log rather than reboot
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[19:53] <djellison> Need to find people near Le Mans I think :)
[19:53] <SpikeUK> Has anyone put a shout out on #HamRadio?
[19:53] <m0vfc> No luck in ON4KST apparently :-(
[19:53] <djellison> Putting in random numbers to the predict to match the flight so far - and just NE of Le Mans is where it's at
[19:53] <edmoore_M0TEK> SpikeUK: every 10 mins at least :)
[19:53] <edmoore_M0TEK> m0vfc: so I hear
[19:54] <edmoore_M0TEK> we're going to try the french amsat guy as per Ralph_W0RPK 's suggestion
[19:54] <djellison> OK - going to try again with the arm out the wind etc etc
[19:54] <djellison> window, even
[19:54] <SpikeUK> edmoore_M0TEK - Oh. Ok!
[19:54] <Laurenceb> anyone getting data?
[19:55] <g8khw-iPhone> Is anyone else logging ?
[19:55] <m0vfc> apparently Gav's just put a spot on the DX cluster :-)
[19:55] <g8khw-iPhone> I. Getting data but no 3 g
[19:56] <edmoore_M0TEK> g8khw-iPhone: i think it's just you
[19:56] <Jasperw> southhampton uni has a radio ham club, or at least is used to...
[19:57] <edmoore_M0TEK> if you can plonk lat/lon/alt on here, we can get it on
[19:57] <edmoore_M0TEK> g8khw-iPhone: retract that, that won't really work
[19:57] <djellison> $$ATLAS,928,19:57:7,49.3360,0.0001,30498,8,0.0;11;16;-33;-27;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;0*40
[19:58] <djellison> Not sure hwo much of that to beleive
[19:58] <djellison> The lat long are bang on the path
[19:58] <djellison> That was a very very painfull arm-out-of-wind-muscle-burn packet
[19:59] <jcoxon> djellison: you are a saint
[19:59] <edmoore_M0TEK> m0vfc: do you know of any echolink things in that bit of france?
[19:59] <djellison> Going to try and rig something with a wooden beam
[19:59] <djellison> I think it's a 100% healthy packet actually
[19:59] <russss> is that 16 minutes float time?
[19:59] <Laurenceb> is it added?
[20:00] <djellison> BRB - wood....drill....bolts.....must get more packets
[20:00] <Laurenceb> :P
[20:01] <m0vfc> according to echolink, the only three french stations on at the moment are a guy near Toulouse, one in Orleans, and one in Monaco
[20:02] <rjmunro> It might have just hit the 20 minutes float time mark...
[20:03] <edmoore_M0TEK> m0vfc: orleans would be perfect
[20:04] <m0vfc> F0DYA-L / ORLEANS-FRANCEON / node number 175199
[20:04] <edmoore_M0TEK> it's heading towards orleans
[20:04] <edmoore_M0TEK> i don't know how echolink wrks
[20:04] <m0vfc> ok will try a call - what frequency again for rx?
[20:05] <junderwood_> I have 434072300
[20:05] <jcoxon> Ralph_W0RPK: hmmm that email address didn't work
[20:05] <rjharrison_> jcoxon I'm cleaning the data
[20:05] <jcoxon> oh right
[20:05] <m0vfc> Ed: is your french any better than mine (non-existant)?
[20:06] <edmoore_M0TEK> m0vfc: non existant
[20:06] <edmoore_M0TEK> in ham radio cntext
[20:06] <jic23__> find rjw57 if you can (his french is perfect)
[20:07] <Laurenceb> can anyone add that point from djellison?
[20:08] <rjmunro> Can someone load the packet djellison posted here into the tracker?
[20:08] Action: Laurenceb doesnt know how to load it :-/
[20:08] <Laurenceb> $$ATLAS,928,19:57:7,49.3360,0.0001,30498,8,0.0;11;16;-33;-27;-29;-53;0;0;56;0;0*40
[20:08] <djellison> new one - &ATLAS,958,:0:8:12,49.2015,0.0605,30469,9,-0.8;11;21;-33;-23;-9;-53;0;0;56;1;0*6F
[20:09] <Laurenceb> ooh its dropped and passed 20 minutes
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[20:09] <sbasuita> French person -----> AlexBreton
[20:09] <AlexBreton> good evening/bonsoir
[20:09] <AlexBreton> qui suit le ballon en france?
[20:10] <MikeMc> back
[20:10] <Laurenceb> ooh over the coast
[20:10] <edmoore_M0TEK> AlexBreton: no one
[20:10] <edmoore_M0TEK> we're looking for someone
[20:10] <natrium42> did anybody try globaltuners yet?
[20:10] <Laurenceb> near Lisieux
[20:10] <edmoore_M0TEK> natrium42: jcoxon has been on it
[20:10] <natrium42> cool, any luck?
[20:10] <djellison> $$ATLAS,961,20:9:37,49.1864,0.0684,30506,10,0.4;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;p+76
[20:10] <djellison> ÛÇ& ATAS,962,22:9:58,49.1828$0.070s,30737,91,p.4;10{21;-33;-2?;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*79
[20:10] <djellison> $$ATLAS,96e,20>10:19,49.1793,0.0723,30570,10,1.5;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*4A
[20:11] <m0vfc> no joy on F0DYA-L so far :-(
[20:11] <MikeMc> who is getting that string?
[20:11] <djellison> Me
[20:11] <MikeMc> :)
[20:12] <djellison> $$ATLAS,964,20:10:41,49.1757,0.074d,30605,11,1.5;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*4D
[20:12] <djellison> $$ATLAS,965,20:11:3,49.1716,0.0761,30640,11,1.6;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*7F
[20:12] <djellison> §$ATLAS,966,20:11:25,49.1678,4.0779,30667,10,1.6;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*4C
[20:12] <djellison> $$ATLAS,967,20:11:47,49.1638,0.0795,30684,11,1.6;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*43
[20:12] <edmoore_M0TEK> wow djellison
[20:12] <Laurenceb> just west of Lisieux
[20:13] <Laurenceb> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=%4049.1638%2C0.0795
[20:13] <jcoxon> good work
[20:13] <jcoxon> now you get a medal
[20:13] <jcoxon> oh no
[20:13] <natrium42> the range is insane
[20:13] <jcoxon> dirty data
[20:14] <Laurenceb> over 5 hours flight time
[20:14] <djellison> $$ATLAS,968,20:12:9,49.1598,0.0810,30689,10,0.7;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*72
[20:14] <djellison> $$ATLAS,969,20:12:31,49.1557,0.08,30683,10,0.7;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53{0;0;56;1;0*46
[20:14] <djellison> $$ATLAS,970,20:12:53,59.1516,0.0837,30668,8,0.7;10;21;-33;-33;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*71
[20:14] <djellison> $$ATLAS,971,20:13:15,49.14ø5,0.0850,30647,10,-0.6;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*6E
[20:14] <djellison> $$ATLAS,972,20:13:38,49.1434,0.0863,30627,11,-0.6;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*60
[20:14] <MikeMc> Now it's up near Norway
[20:14] <natrium42> fixed buggy point
[20:15] <MikeMc> was it intended to go this far?
[20:15] <jcoxon> oh dear - i think my flight computer code might be broken :-S
[20:15] <MikeMc> unlikely to get this one back
[20:15] <natrium42> jcoxon, maybe we should use 10mW for trans atlantic :D
[20:15] <Randomskk> back
[20:15] <Randomskk> how'd it go
[20:15] <natrium42> it's in france
[20:15] <rjharrison_> Randomskk it's still up
[20:15] <djellison> $$ATLAS,973,20:14:0,49.1396,0.0875,30610,9,-0.8;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*66
[20:15] <djellison> $$ATLAS/No GPS Data/20:14:0/49.1396/0.0875/30610/9/-33/-23/-29/-53/0/0/56/1/0*3F
[20:15] <djellison> $$ATLAS,974,20:14:22,49.1359,0.0887,30596,9,-0.8;10;21;-33;-23-29;-50;0;36;1;0*52
[20:15] <djellison> $$ATLAS,975¨24:1±:{.49.1295,0.0911,30586,11,-0.4;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*5A
[20:15] <djellison> ,$ATLES,976,20:15:25,49.1261,0.0924,30589,11,-0.4;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*6F
[20:15] <Randomskk> oh nice
[20:15] <Randomskk> not getting anything from it here
[20:16] <djellison> Cant type much - 1 arm holding long wooden pole with yagi on end :)
[20:16] <Daviey> gaaahh,, i missed the pump working
[20:16] <Randomskk> oh!
[20:16] <Randomskk> it's just drifted east
[20:16] <rjharrison_> jcoxon the graph should be looking better
[20:16] <Randomskk> I can still just about hear it
[20:16] <djellison> Screwed straight into the end of the wood
[20:16] <jcoxon> good work
[20:16] <jcoxon> Randomskk: we need a signal!
[20:16] <rjharrison_> djellison you are the ears dude
[20:16] <jcoxon> poor djellison is dying!
[20:17] <djellison> Cheating on LSB like Mike did
[20:17] <MikeMc> i can still hear it but i'm not getting any useful data out of it
[20:17] <djellison> I wan 1000 packets
[20:17] <Laurenceb> over 400Km
[20:17] <Laurenceb> line of sight
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> float anyway
[20:17] <natrium42> france is probably scrambling mirages right now...
[20:18] <MikeMc> lol
[20:18] <Randomskk> hmm I can only hear one freq
[20:18] <g8khw-iPhone> 53.491128,0.0978,30631
[20:18] <MikeMc> oohh ohh i see data
[20:18] <Ralph_W0RPK> James Coxon: Try gerard.auvray@bsf.alcatel.fr
[20:18] <djellison> $$ATLAS,983,20:17:59,49.1027,0.1019,30651,9,0.5;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*79
[20:18] <rjmunro> Why is it float time 21, total pump seconds 0? Shouldn't it have started pumping?
[20:19] <Daviey> i think it was pumping at the transmission
[20:19] <Laurenceb> jcoxon:?
[20:19] <jcoxon> rjmunro: i think something has borked
[20:19] <sbasuita> jcoxon, get AlexBreton to translate your message to the address
[20:19] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: look at the code
[20:19] <Daviey> ballastmode == currently pumping ?
[20:19] <AlexBreton> in-house translator still here, just contact me
[20:19] <jcoxon> ballastmode = 1 - start pumping
[20:19] <jcoxon> ballastmode = 2 - pumping
[20:20] <Daviey> cool
[20:20] <Laurenceb> start pumping?
[20:20] <rjmunro> jcoxon: What's the difference?
[20:20] <Randomskk> I' getting three frequencies
[20:20] <Laurenceb> what does that mean
[20:20] <Randomskk> with a tiny gap between them
[20:20] <Randomskk> not getting a 350 shift
[20:20] <Randomskk> or it's being drowned by whatever this is
[20:20] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, btw your ukulele won't stay in tune ;P
[20:20] <Randomskk> sounds like one half of rtty
[20:21] <AlexBreton> sbasuita, could you remove reading school from list of sponsors on the blog?
[20:21] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, ehehe
[20:21] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, that's a bit harsh
[20:21] <AlexBreton> they haven't given us any money
[20:21] <AlexBreton> so they are not a sponsor
[20:21] <djellison> OK - got the end of the wood tied down
[20:21] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: does it go to mode 2 when time>20minutes and its at float?
[20:22] <Laurenceb> or something?
[20:22] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, we'll see after tomorrow
[20:22] <AlexBreton> pschhht
[20:22] <Jasperw> really needs better checksumming....
[20:22] <jcoxon> Laurenceb: it should have gone into mode 2
[20:22] <MikeMc> 3052
[20:22] <MikeMc> 30552
[20:22] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: whats with the modes?
[20:22] <Laurenceb> what triggers going to mode 2 ?
[20:23] <jcoxon> mode 1 completing
[20:23] <edmoore_M0TEK> James would like to make an announcement: No more criticism please. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that.
[20:23] <Laurenceb> heh
[20:23] <Laurenceb> how does 1 complete?
[20:23] <djellison> Are these packets working ok?
[20:23] <djellison> $dATLAS,996,20:23:5,49.0611,0.1210,30577,10,0.8;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*78
[20:23] <djellison> etc
[20:24] <jcoxon> okay - i think i know whats wrong
[20:24] <jcoxon> basically there are 2 board
[20:24] <jcoxon> s
[20:24] <djellison> PACKET 999
[20:24] <jcoxon> the secondary does the pump and sensors
[20:24] <jcoxon> but i think its died
[20:24] <Randomskk> whatever signal I'm getting is not the balloon
[20:24] <Randomskk> but comes frm the same direction
[20:24] <djellison> $$ATLAS,999,20:24:10,49.0518,0.1259,30648,11,1.1;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;00;56;1;0*45J
[20:24] <jcoxon> the main one will continue on whatever
[20:24] <djellison> PACKET..... one...thousand!
[20:24] <Randomskk> however the polariation doesn't affect it
[20:24] <sbasuita> djellison, well done ;)
[20:24] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: as the level is constant?
[20:24] <djellison> $$ATLAS,1000,20:24:32,49.0484,0.1276,30678,9,1.1;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*4E
[20:25] <Randomskk> sounds like rtty but has three frequencies
[20:25] <djellison> Bit of noise over 1001
[20:25] <jcoxon> yes all are constant
[20:25] <m0vfc> $$ATLAS,1ØØ1,2Ø:24*54,49.Ø449lØ.1293,3Ø7Ø5,1,11;1Ø;1;-33;-23;-29;-53;Ø;Ø;561;Ø*77
[20:25] <Randomskk> should I be able to pick up the cw?
[20:25] <edmoore_M0TEK> m0vfc: where did you get that?
[20:25] <m0vfc> here
[20:25] <m0vfc> colinear
[20:25] <edmoore_M0TEK> woo
[20:25] <m0vfc> couldn't believe it!
[20:25] <russss> I like the way all the 0s are replaced with Øs
[20:26] <m0vfc> ah, that's DM780
[20:26] <edmoore_M0TEK> especially for parse errors
[20:26] <Randomskk> is the cw fm tones or a carrier being keyed?
[20:26] <edmoore_M0TEK> carrier being keyed
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[20:26] <m0vfc> damn I wish I had a beam!
[20:27] <edmoore_M0TEK> jcoxon and i are going to eat but will be carrying on, just need to eat now whilst places are still serving
[20:27] <m0vfc> $$ATLAS,1ØØ5,2:¶:44l49.Ø261,Ø.1365,3Ø723,9,4.1;1Ø;21;
[20:27] <edmoore_M0TEK> will have 3G on laptop
[20:27] <MikeMc> goddam nearly got a complete string
[20:27] <djellison> 405km
[20:27] <edmoore_M0TEK> normal service in a few mins
[20:27] <MikeMc> ALT 30723
[20:27] <MikeMc> 30689
[20:27] <djellison> 30689 - concur
[20:28] <djellison> on packet 1007. My grandfather had that as a licence plate years ago. UR1007
[20:28] <djellison> THAT'S what the RF noise is. The bloody boiler sparking up
[20:28] <MikeMc> i get RF noise if I move the windows on my monitor around
[20:29] <jcoxon> right - food time
[20:29] <djellison> Radio out of power - back in 2 mins with it's power lead
[20:29] <jcoxon> sorry guys bbiab
[20:29] <jcoxon> thanks for all the help at hte moment
[20:29] <jcoxon> keep trying to find french hams!
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[20:29] <RocketBoy> yea 5g
[20:29] <RocketBoy> 3g
[20:29] <RocketBoy> should be logging
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[20:31] Action: Laurenceb gets out his 6G phone
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[20:32] <MikeMc> 30613
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[20:32] <MikeMc> 30694
[20:32] <sbasuita> Wow
[20:32] <sbasuita> the channel hit 50 people
[20:32] <djellison> Going to get food also
[20:33] <MikeMc> any of them French HAMS?
[20:33] <djellison> On $$ATLAS,1020,20:32:34,48.9736,0.1640,30686,9,0.3;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*4C
[20:33] <rjharrison_> wow
[20:33] <Laurenceb> nice
[20:33] <Laurenceb> what ant have you got there?
[20:33] <djellison> It's the dual band handheld arrow yagi for working sats
[20:33] <djellison> with the 2m elements unscrewed
[20:34] <MikeMc> i'm surprised i'm still picking it up with an indoor whip
[20:34] <Laurenceb> what gain?
[20:34] <Laurenceb> MikeMc: wow
[20:36] <djellison> $$ATLAS,1029,20:35:54,48.9446,0.1817,30584,10,-0.5;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*5E
[20:36] <djellison> Still good :)
[20:36] <Randomskk> pretty sure that's it for me
[20:36] <rjharrison_> M6DGE You rock
[20:37] <rjharrison_> and 3g too
[20:37] <djellison> Cool - my packets are still going in
[20:37] <m0vfc> $$ADLAS1Ø31,2Ø37:1,4Ø.351,Ø.15,3Ø634,1,Ø.7;Ø;2;3s;-23;-2;-3Ø;;54 <-- well, nearly...ish
[20:38] <Randomskk> clearly just need more antennas next time
[20:38] <djellison> Don't know how or why using LSB rather than USB works - but it does
[20:38] <djellison> USB - I can't get it. LSB, I can
[20:38] <MikeMc> sam ehere
[20:38] <Randomskk> weird
[20:38] <Randomskk> may give that a try
[20:39] <m0vfc> if you change from one to the other, you'll need to flip the mark/space, and tune about 3kHz up or down
[20:39] <Laurenceb> yeah it will be inverted
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[20:39] <russss> is there a distance record?
[20:40] <m0vfc> but also different dial frequency (since that indicates where the carrier would be, were it there... and USB effectively flips the received audio bandwidth the other side of the non-existant carrier from LSB)
[20:40] <Randomskk> !
[20:40] <Randomskk> lsb works
[20:40] <djellison> Getting flakey - $ATLAS,1039,20:3=:57,48.9148,2.±997,30682,9,0.2;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*45
[20:40] <gordonjcp> djellison: it works because it flips the sense of the incoming bits
[20:40] <MikeMc> i can still hear it fine but i'm getting no usable data out of it
[20:40] <djellison> $$ATLAS,1040,20:40:19,48.912,0.2011,30668,10,-0.5;10;21;-¶¶öDjí Dn"öDÇDÇD"dDäDÇR"+Û
[20:40] <djellison> Lovely things from the far end of the ASCII table there
[20:41] <Laurenceb> interesting
[20:41] <Laurenceb> looks like gravity waves
[20:41] <djellison> Photos of antenna from outside - http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=169356&id=660261832
[20:41] <gordonjcp> djellison: in LSB, the lower the RF frequency the higher the audio frequency, and with USB the lower the RF frequency the lower the audio frequency
[20:41] <gordonjcp> djellison: draw a carrier with sidebands on paper and you'll get it
[20:42] <djellison> That's 420km at 48.912,0.2011 .
[20:42] <Laurenceb> how are you calculating distance?
[20:43] <djellison> Google Earth
[20:43] <Laurenceb> ah me too
[20:43] <djellison> I have one end of a line pinned at my house :)
[20:43] <djellison> and then paste the latlong in and move the other end to match
[20:43] <Laurenceb> I suspect it may do great circle distance
[20:43] <Laurenceb> ideally you need to transform into some coordinate system like ECEF
[20:44] <Laurenceb> but its certainly over 400km
[20:45] <djellison> Getting fairly crappy - $$ATLAS,00="l20:45:9,48n8841.0.2212,30650,9,0.3;1p;21-33;-23;-2;-53;0;0;56;1;0*72
[20:45] <MikeMc> i've lost it now apart from a faint sound from time to time
[20:46] <djellison> $$ATLAS,1053,20:45:31,4(.881=,0.2229,30662,9,0.3;10;21;-33;-23;-29-53;0;0;56;1;1*4C
[20:46] <djellison> $$ATLAS,1054,20:46:12,48.8778,0.2261,30685,0,0.6;10;21;-33;-23;-29;KM¶FFìäDÇR+ Û$$
[20:47] <g8khw-iPhone> It's still solid copy ere
[20:48] <djellison> FAIRLY good one - $$ATLAS,1059,20:48=4,48.8655,0.2350,30764,9,0.6;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53?0;0;56;1;0*76
[20:48] <MikeMc> ok i've turned my rig off - djellison it's up to you now
[20:49] <djellison> balls.
[20:49] <Randomskk> nothing after that one packet here, either
[20:49] <MikeMc> i can't hear it no more
[20:49] <Randomskk> I can just hear, but fldigi won'T decode
[20:49] <m0vfc> I still have a recognisable trace on the waterfall, but no copy
[20:49] <Randomskk> also the shift now seems smaller
[20:50] <Laurenceb> djellison: how good a horizon view have you got?
[20:50] <Randomskk> m0vfc: same here
[20:50] <Laurenceb> getting close to over the horizon
[20:50] <djellison> Not awesome
[20:50] <MikeMc> Why is the ALT on that tracker consistently 30770 ?
[20:50] <Laurenceb> from what I can see
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[20:50] <rjharrison> 373.167 km
[20:51] <djellison> http://twitpic.com/tilug
[20:52] <Laurenceb> another 200km or so and theres no cance of djellison seeing it
[20:53] <MikeMc> we need a French HAM urgently
[20:53] <djellison> Mehh - not getting packets here either now
[20:53] <djellison> Going to try shifting the antenna
[20:53] <Laurenceb> ooh houses
[20:53] <MikeMc> why not try posting messages on French IRC channels
[20:53] <MikeMc> like any French one
[20:53] <MikeMc> surely there is a phone number somewhere of a French HAM club
[20:54] <Randomskk> or get on HF and try to contact some
[20:54] <Laurenceb> AIUI djellisons line of sight will be well into the houses
[20:54] <Laurenceb> no wonder hes losing the signal
[20:54] <MikeMc> something must be done
[20:54] <Randomskk> houses unfortunately rather in the way here
[20:54] <MikeMc> thousadds of French Hams and none to help !!
[20:54] <Laurenceb> probably about 4 lines of houses in the line of sight atm
[20:54] <MikeMc> *thousands
[20:55] <AlexBreton> let me try and get a french HAM
[20:55] <Laurenceb> at any rate soon he'll be over the horizon
[20:55] <djellison> I can hear it - but no data
[20:55] <Randomskk> going QRT here, no chance
[20:55] <Randomskk> I got most of 1040 at least :p
[20:56] Action: Laurenceb guesses burst at about 34.5Km
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[20:56] <Randomskk> what this situation calls for is a turret with four or sixteen or so yagi
[20:56] <Laurenceb> heh
[20:56] <Randomskk> mounted on a high building somewhere
[20:56] <AlexBreton> hamradio.be is in belgium
[20:56] <Laurenceb> or a HAB mounted yagi
[20:56] <AlexBreton> they have an IRC channel
[20:56] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, gogogo
[20:56] <Randomskk> haha yes a hab mounted yagi
[20:57] <Laurenceb> on a tether
[20:57] <AlexBreton> I assume the balloon is in northern france?
[20:57] <Laurenceb> near Gace
[20:57] <g8khw-iPhone> I'm loosing it too
[20:57] <rjharrison> ping natrium42 we need a fix on lat long
[20:57] <djellison> Can just hear it still
[20:58] <djellison> Only just
[20:58] <Laurenceb> you can see the gravity waves on the altitude plot :P
[20:58] <Laurenceb> interesting how its quickly fading
[20:58] <djellison> I went from good packet - bad packet - nothing - in three packets
[20:58] <Laurenceb> must be the obsticles on the horizon giving an effective horizon thats a bit smaller than the theoretical
[20:58] <AlexBreton> belgian hams won't be closer than us
[20:58] <rjharrison> Laurenceb is that really decypherable
[20:59] <Laurenceb> ~450km rather that 700
[20:59] <Laurenceb> rjharrison: our radio horizon is ~450km not 700
[21:00] <AlexBreton> anyone asked on #hamradio?
[21:00] <djellison> So my last senisble packet was 48.8570,0.2401
[21:00] <Laurenceb> so thats probably caused by all the obsticles we see on the horizon - e.g. someone at sea might see better range
[21:00] <rjmunro> Any progress oon that Orleans echolink thing?
[21:00] <djellison> 427 km
[21:00] <m0vfc> rjmunro: did try a couple of times; no joy
[21:00] <Laurenceb> theoretical horizon at 30km alt is 700km
[21:00] <m0vfc> it's only a simplex link, which aren't typically very busy
[21:00] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, yes, but i doubt en francais
[21:01] <g8khw-iPhone> It's comming down 23 k
[21:01] <MikeMc> well i put the radio back on and I can still hear it
[21:01] <m0vfc> is it me or is it also starting to drift quite a lot more in frequency
[21:01] <MikeMc> so it's still airbourne
[21:01] <m0vfc> seems to be wobbling up and down at quite a rate
[21:02] <djellison> Coming down would explain us loosing it all together
[21:02] <g8khw-iPhone> 14k
[21:03] <m0vfc> I still see the trace, but it's going up in frequency quite a bit
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[21:03] <m0vfc> ok, now lost it
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[21:04] <g8khw-iPhone> 13336
[21:04] <djellison> Right - food, then clear up the spare room :)
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[21:05] <Laurenceb> its popped?
[21:05] <Randomskk> almost worth putting a URL in the rtty in case someone hears it
[21:05] <g8khw-iPhone> 12373
[21:05] <Laurenceb> oh wow
[21:05] <Randomskk> g8khw-iPhone: you are still decoding?
[21:05] <MikeMc> must be descending
[21:05] <g8khw-iPhone> Yes
[21:05] <Randomskk> nice
[21:05] <djellison> He's on the white cliffs of Dover or something :)
[21:05] <Randomskk> :p
[21:05] <djellison> It's NEARLY france Anywauy
[21:05] <Randomskk> is that with the ssdr thing?
[21:05] <MikeMc> do you have a lat long ?
[21:05] <Randomskk> sdr*
[21:06] <Randomskk> even just UKHAS-ATLAS
[21:06] <AlexBreton> the closest french ham club is Vernon
[21:06] <MikeMc> call them
[21:06] <AlexBreton> callsign F8KOH
[21:06] <Randomskk> guess it would mostly be a waste of on-air time
[21:06] <AlexBreton> at 10 in the evening?
[21:07] <Randomskk> but anyone with a whip listening on 434 and in the north france region could probably hear it
[21:07] <AlexBreton> I have contact details
[21:07] <AlexBreton> including telephone
[21:07] <AlexBreton> although
[21:07] <AlexBreton> I can try ;-)
[21:07] <g8khw-iPhone> It's still there but v weak
[21:07] <MikeMc> go for it
[21:07] <MikeMc> might be worth it
[21:07] <AlexBreton> tell me what you want me to tell them
[21:07] <AlexBreton> 434 Mhz?
[21:07] <Randomskk> please tune your radio to 434.075mhz and listen for some rtty :p
[21:07] <AlexBreton> OK
[21:07] <Randomskk> then I guess join here and paste it
[21:08] <Randomskk> or whatever, the important thing is to log it
[21:08] <Randomskk> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/test.php would be an easy way to submit a few lines
[21:08] <AlexBreton> ok
[21:08] <AlexBreton> phone is busy here
[21:08] <MikeMc> Sentance
[21:08] <MikeMc> is that French ? ;)
[21:09] <Laurenceb> lmao
[21:09] <AlexBreton> no
[21:09] <AlexBreton> :P
[21:10] <AlexBreton> I don't think anyone will answer the phone
[21:10] <MikeMc> bastards
[21:10] <AlexBreton> and also: 2 closest regions to the balloon have no HAM club
[21:10] <AlexBreton> though this one ought to pick it up
[21:10] <MikeMc> merde
[21:10] <AlexBreton> quite
[21:10] <g8khw-iPhone> Tis gone
[21:11] <MikeMc> sounds like it popped
[21:12] <MikeMc> if your AL's were correct
[21:12] <MikeMc> ALT's
[21:12] <AlexBreton> ARGH no phone
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[21:12] <MikeMc> was it known it might go over France ?
[21:12] <AlexBreton> how urgent is the situation?
[21:13] <MikeMc> if so - for future launches might be worth contacting HAM clubs along the predicted track prior to launch
[21:13] <AlexBreton> got the phone
[21:14] <MikeMc> wonder why i get RF interference when I move the google earth map around
[21:14] <russss> MikeMc: I think it was predicted to go into float a bit earlier
[21:15] <russss> also it was meant to go on a little jaunt around the west country before heading down to France. Instead it decided to buzz Heathrow
[21:15] <MikeMc> oops
[21:15] <AlexBreton> omg
[21:15] <AlexBreton> i have the guy
[21:16] <MikeMc> :)
[21:17] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, nice, nice
[21:17] <AlexBreton> what frequency mod?
[21:18] <AlexBreton> guys
[21:18] <m0vfc> 430.073
[21:18] <m0vfc> RTTY
[21:18] <m0vfc> 350Hz carrier spacing, 8-bit (not 5-bit BAUDOT), 1.5 stop bits
[21:18] <m0vfc> if they have Ham Radio Deluxe, it should have DM780 as part of it, which will work
[21:18] <m0vfc> sorry
[21:18] <m0vfc> 434.073
[21:18] <AlexBreton> frequency mod is?
[21:19] <MikeMc> i presume the payload has contact details written on it?
[21:19] <m0vfc> RTTY - use USB or LSB on the rig
[21:19] <Randomskk> 434.075 mhz
[21:19] <Randomskk> not 430
[21:19] <AlexBreton> success
[21:19] <m0vfc> Randomskk: yup, spotted that after I typed it :-p
[21:19] <AlexBreton> the guy is off to listen right now
[21:19] <Randomskk> oh yea
[21:19] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, can you get him on irc pasting lines?
[21:19] <Randomskk> AlexBreton: nice
[21:19] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, good job btw
[21:19] <Daviey> Ahh ha! MikeMc i need to talk to you :)
[21:19] <MikeMc> :O
[21:20] Action: russss returns to trying to decode air-traffic control signals
[21:21] <AlexBreton> I'll call him in about 5 mins
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[21:22] <Laurenceb> http://lilysussman.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/p1070618.jpg?w=1024&h=768
[21:24] <SpikeUK> Lauenceb - that's a trifle extreme! Must be using Vista ;-)
[21:26] <MikeMc> wtf
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[21:27] <AlexBreton> RocketBoy, we'll be ordering the balloon and chute tomorrow
[21:27] <RocketBoy> I'll look out for it
[21:27] <AlexBreton> afternoonish
[21:28] <Laurenceb> thats what I think of mac
[21:28] <Laurenceb> j/k
[21:29] <AlexBreton> I'm on a mac
[21:29] <AlexBreton> and it's great :P
[21:30] <MikeMc> ditto :)
[21:30] <AlexBreton> just got a phone call
[21:30] <AlexBreton> but the line was broken
[21:30] <AlexBreton> nothing on the other end
[21:30] <AlexBreton> I'll call the guy
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[21:32] <AlexBreton> the signal is very weak
[21:33] <AlexBreton> and the dude can't decode it
[21:34] <MikeMc> weird
[21:34] <MikeMc> so it must still be up
[21:34] <rjmunro> Why do we think it was descending?
[21:34] <RocketBoy> the last message i got was $$ATLAS,1095,21:4:4,48.7496,0.2437,12996,5,-16.0;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;52;1;0*58
[21:35] <Laurenceb> that passes the CRC?
[21:35] <RocketBoy> do't know
[21:35] <RocketBoy> don't know
[21:35] <RocketBoy> I had lots of others that agree
[21:35] <MikeMc> g8khw-iPhone had an altitude that was getting lower earlier on
[21:35] <AlexBreton> this guy has no fldigi
[21:36] <RocketBoy> $$ATLAS,5094,21:3:42,4.7527,0.2447,13336,6,-15.1;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*60
[21:36] <AlexBreton> and no way to record the messages
[21:36] <MikeMc> darn
[21:36] <RocketBoy> yeah each message was lower than the last
[21:37] <RocketBoy> as in
[21:37] <RocketBoy> $$ATLAS,1091$21:2:17,48.7620,0.2478,14652,7,-16.8;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*67
[21:37] <RocketBoy> $$ATLAS,1092,21:2:58,48.7575,0*472,14029,7,16.8;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;y;0*6C
[21:37] <AlexBreton> OK
[21:37] <rjmunro> Can someone upload RocketBoy's data to the tracker?
[21:37] <RocketBoy> $$ATLAS,10=3,21:3:20,48.7552,0.465,13700,7,-15.1;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*61
[21:37] <MikeMc> is that live data?
[21:37] <AlexBreton> the dude is gonna try to find out a precise direction
[21:37] <RocketBoy> $$ATLAS,5094,21:3:42,4.7527,0.2447,13336,6,-15.1;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;56;1;0*60
[21:37] <AlexBreton> ah rocketboy is receiving?
[21:37] <RocketBoy> $$ATLAS,1095,21:4:4,48.7496,0.2437,12996,5,-16.0;10;21;-33;-23;-29;-53;0;0;52;1;0*58
[21:38] <MikeMc> weird wonder why it dropped to 13k
[21:38] <RocketBoy> 4$ATLAS,1096,21:4:26,48.7473,0.2429,1273,6,-16.0;10;21;-33;-2<DC3>;-29;-53;0;0;5>;1;0*6A
[21:38] <RocketBoy> then partial string 48.7445,0.2415,12373
[21:39] <RocketBoy> then it just got too weak to copy
[21:39] <RocketBoy> over the next 5 mins
[21:39] <RocketBoy> and completely disapeared
[21:39] <AlexBreton> are we getting live data from the balloon then?
[21:39] <MikeMc> ok i have some mince pies and double cream with my name on them
[21:39] <MikeMc> laters
[21:40] <RocketBoy> no - that was just the last data I recived
[21:40] <AlexBreton> ah
[21:40] <RocketBoy> about 20 mins ago
[21:40] <AlexBreton> my liason in france is going to get a precise direction on the signal
[21:40] <DanielRichman> How are the Checksums calculated?
[21:40] <AlexBreton> but he says it's weak as well
[21:41] <RocketBoy> its just an XOR of all bytes between the $ and *
[21:41] <AlexBreton> also, I may be able to listen to the string over the phone, what shall I do?
[21:41] <RocketBoy> (starting at 0)
[21:41] <AlexBreton> record it?
[21:41] <RocketBoy> yep
[21:41] <AlexBreton> OK
[21:41] <DanielRichman> RocketBoy, that's what I thought, Can't get any valid crcs
[21:41] <AlexBreton> setting that up then
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[21:41] <jcoxon> hey all
[21:42] <AlexBreton> hey
[21:42] <RocketBoy> hey
[21:42] <AlexBreton> it's an action-packed evening
[21:42] <jcoxon> thanks for all the help today
[21:42] <jcoxon> yeah,hope it was fun
[21:43] <djellison> Hey JC
[21:43] <RocketBoy> my guess is that it has landed just se of gace
[21:43] <AlexBreton> got my mike set up to record the string
[21:43] <AlexBreton> then I can send it as a sound file to someone
[21:43] <AlexBreton> who decodes it?
[21:44] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, that is not going to work, but I'll accept mp3s over skyep
[21:44] <AlexBreton> why won't it work?
[21:44] <DanielRichman> It'd be too noisy I'd imagine
[21:44] <DanielRichman> but you can try, I guess
[21:44] <AlexBreton> not necessarily
[21:44] <AlexBreton> I'll grab a box
[21:44] <DanielRichman> give it a go; whatever; give me sound files and I'll try
[21:45] <rjharrison> hey jcoxon
[21:45] <AlexBreton> may not be a .mp3
[21:45] <AlexBreton> I think this records .aac
[21:45] <AlexBreton> anyway, calling now
[21:45] <DanielRichman> W/e
[21:45] <DanielRichman> aslong as ffmpeg can nom it
[21:46] <rjharrison> Im going to tidy up the listener code sometime to make it easier to turn stuff on and off
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[21:48] <jcoxon> hey, what's the latest then, slightly confused by the logs
[21:49] <sbasuita> jcoxon, AlexBreton has some french ham on the phone
[21:49] <RocketBoy> i think is down
[21:49] <RocketBoy> the last position I had was 48.7445,0.2415,12373
[21:49] <jcoxon> sbasuita, signal?
[21:49] <AlexBreton> signal is way too weak
[21:49] <RocketBoy> comming down about 1000m/min
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[21:50] <AlexBreton> contacting someone closer to the balloon
[21:50] <jcoxon> rocketboy that's it I guess
[21:50] <RocketBoy> a radio path of 370Km for me
[21:51] <RocketBoy> yes I think so (personaly)
[21:51] <jcoxon> Alexbreton, if there is a signal they could decode it them selves
[21:51] <RocketBoy> I can send you my logs
[21:51] <AlexBreton> this guy can't
[21:51] <AlexBreton> doesn't do RTTY
[21:52] <jcoxon> please do, am on the train, lots of data to go through
[21:52] <jcoxon> oh, shame
[21:52] <AlexBreton> can we get the last co-ords plese?
[21:53] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, 48.7445,0.2415,12373
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[21:53] <RocketBoy> jcoxon: basically I copied data comming down until it was down to about 12000m - then just visually on the waterfall getting fainter over the next 5 to 10 mins
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[21:55] <jcoxon-> battery low
[21:56] <jcoxon-> won't last long
[21:58] <RocketBoy> sent
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[22:00] <RocketBoy> I wonder how long the batteries will last - is it worth a trip on the eurostar?
[22:02] <AlexBreton> GUYS
[22:02] <AlexBreton> big news
[22:02] <AlexBreton> I am communicating with ADRASEC
[22:02] <AlexBreton> they specialise in retrieving aircraft black boxes and suchlike
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[22:03] <AlexBreton> they are now listening in to our frequency and can record RTTY
[22:03] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, nice, nice
[22:03] <edmoore> yo
[22:03] <AlexBreton> apparently the president of the organisation was in bed
[22:03] <russss> lol
[22:03] <AlexBreton> but the secretary was able to help me out
[22:03] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, batteries might not last 'long' according to jcoxon
[22:03] <russss> sbasuita: I wonder if he was talking about his phone/laptop battery with that
[22:04] <AlexBreton> the guy I called previously had a very weak signal, he was far away and had a hill in the way
[22:04] <russss> I recall the batteries usually last a couple of days?
[22:04] <russss> maybe the secondary board is draining themmore
[22:04] <AlexBreton> lol calling up HAMs at 11 o clock at night
[22:04] <AlexBreton> this is so awkward for me
[22:05] <russss> heh
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[22:07] <sbasuita> russss, you're probably right
[22:09] <MikeMc> great
[22:09] <MikeMc> wireless keyboard has died
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[22:12] <junderwood_> Based on the last coordinates it is going to be close (within about 10 km) to Saint-Hilaire-la-Gerard (best guess 48.599N, 0.069E)
[22:12] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, ^
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[22:13] <AlexBreton> taken into account
[22:13] <AlexBreton> these ADRASEC guys ought to pick it up just fine
[22:13] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, you just gonna ask them to gief coordinates?
[22:13] <edmoore> jcoxon is on the train home
[22:14] <DanielRichman> They probably think that there's a bounty invovled :P
[22:14] <AlexBreton> daniel, be quiet
[22:14] <russss> we should send them something if they return it
[22:14] <AlexBreton> obv
[22:16] <DanielRichman> We could air drop in christmas presents
[22:16] <Daviey> yeah, perhaps another payload in a few months :)
[22:16] <DanielRichman> Maybe an easter egg then :P
[22:18] <RocketBoy> my estimated landing spot would be 48.5659, 0.0350854
[22:18] <RocketBoy> based on cusf and last known positions
[22:19] <AlexBreton> bad news, they have no signal whatsoever -.-
[22:19] <sbasuita> Both estimates with 7km
[22:19] <sbasuita> I'd say 10km west of sees
[22:19] <AlexBreton> just got a phone call
[22:19] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, nooo
[22:19] <edmoore> you won't hear it probably >1km away
[22:20] <AlexBreton> absolutely bugger all
[22:20] <AlexBreton> maybe it landed?
[22:20] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, yes, it has landed mate ;)
[22:20] <MikeMc> yeah
[22:20] <AlexBreton> well it carries on transmitting?
[22:20] <MikeMc> they wouldn't pick it up if it was on teh ground
[22:21] <MikeMc> not unless they wre very near it
[22:21] <AlexBreton> they say if anything is found/picked up they'll call
[22:21] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, tell them to listen from 48.5659, 0.0350854 ?
[22:21] <RocketBoy> just down the E402 from calais
[22:22] <AlexBreton> sbauita, can you give me that on a googlemaps?
[22:22] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, dumping those two numbers into google should give it to you
[22:22] <AlexBreton> done
[22:23] <AlexBreton> wow
[22:23] <AlexBreton> I've been there
[22:23] <AlexBreton> shall I call now and tell them?
[22:23] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, yep
[22:23] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, give them a better idea of where to look
[22:24] <AlexBreton> well we know it landed between 2145 and 2215 GMT
[22:24] <sbasuita> else they probably won't bother
[22:24] <junderwood_> Best guess 21:24 UT
[22:24] <junderwood_> (assuming the last packet was 21:00)
[22:25] <junderwood_> actually it was 4 minutes after the hour so 21:28
[22:25] <RocketBoy> 21:36 by the predictor - assuming 5m/sec descent rate
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[22:27] <junderwood_> I think I'm using a slightly higher ballistic coefficient - hence the quicker descent and landing about 4km NE
[22:27] <AlexBreton> at 2130 someone had a signal
[22:27] <Jasperw> hi, back, any contact with the balloon since 8:50 or so?
[22:27] <AlexBreton> OK I told them the estimated coords, they said they'll have a look around in the area
[22:27] <Jasperw> good :)
[22:27] <AlexBreton> it's landed now
[22:27] <AlexBreton> at 2215 we lost signal
[22:28] <AlexBreton> was talking to HAMs in france
[22:28] <junderwood_> It must have been down by then.
[22:28] <junderwood_> Where did they receive the signal?
[22:28] <edmoore> could anyone produce a line of landing pints based upon uncertainty in descent rate?
[22:28] <junderwood_> :-)
[22:28] <edmoore> points*
[22:29] <RocketBoy> time for a kml
[22:29] <junderwood_> 48.5992 0.0688
[22:29] <junderwood_> 48.5826 0.0493
[22:29] <junderwood_> 48.6219 0.0957
[22:29] <junderwood_> You have a ruler?
[22:30] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, I think you should tell them about this irc channel as well, in case they have any english-speakers
[22:30] <AlexBreton> allow
[22:30] <AlexBreton> tomorrow
[22:31] <sbasuita> ;P
[22:31] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, I get this horrible feeling that we actually have english homework and that hall is going to slaughter me
[22:31] <junderwood_> edmoore Just Skyping that KML to you
[22:31] <AlexBreton> sbasuita, really?
[22:32] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, yep
[22:32] <AlexBreton> what is it?
[22:33] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, that's the thing - I'm not sure if we actually do xD
[22:33] <AlexBreton> well check then, notgun
[22:34] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, nah, I don't think so
[22:34] <m0vfc> night all - good luck with the recovery!
[22:34] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, but then surely you shouldn't rely on me when it comes to homework ;)
[22:35] <AlexBreton> true true
[22:37] <edmoore> AlexBreton: http://pastebin.com/m431956b8
[22:37] <edmoore> kml
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[22:37] <edmoore> of landing points
[22:37] <edmoore> from junderwood
[22:37] <AlexBreton> it's a .txt
[22:37] <AlexBreton> loads of lines
[22:38] <junderwood_> save as a kml and point google Earth at it
[22:38] <AlexBreton> how?
[22:38] <AlexBreton> do I save as a .kml
[22:38] <junderwood_> yep
[22:38] <AlexBreton> how do I do that?
[22:39] <edmoore> copyat the bottom, you see the raw text
[22:39] <edmoore> copy and paste it into a file and save it as bum.kml
[22:40] <AlexBreton> apple user is failing
[22:40] <sbasuita> this? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=http:%2F%2Fpastebin.com%2Fpastebin.php%3Fdl%3Dm431956b8&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.176059,56.513672&ie=UTF8&ll=48.66285,0.144196&spn=0.222678,0.441513&z=11
[22:41] <junderwood_> That's the one.
[22:41] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, ^
[22:41] <sbasuita> "Parts of http://pastebin.com/pastebi... could not be displayed because it contains errors." =/
[22:42] <AlexBreton> which is the most probable one?
[22:42] <AlexBreton> normal?
[22:42] <junderwood_> Four sample trajectories. All start from the last known position. RocketBoy's point was a little further along the line than the magenta.
[22:42] <AlexBreton> most probable?
[22:43] <junderwood_> Without knowing what the payload weighed and the size of the parachute, I couldn't day
[22:43] <junderwood_> *say
[22:43] <AlexBreton> OK
[22:43] <AlexBreton> why does balloon attached have a circle around it?
[22:43] <junderwood_> but if the green bit so the south is hills, that could explain why it could be heard after landing...
[22:43] <AlexBreton> it wasn't heard after landing
[22:44] <junderwood_> I thought you said you had a signal at 10:15pm?
[22:44] <junderwood_> It was on the ground by 21:45 UT latest
[22:44] <AlexBreton> we didn't have a signal at 1015
[22:44] <sbasuita> protip: hit the terrain view (top right) for hills
[22:44] <AlexBreton> that's when I said the signal couldn't be heard
[22:45] <junderwood_> [22:27] <AlexBreton> at 2215 we lost signal
[22:45] <junderwood_> Ah
[22:45] <AlexBreton> exactly (oops) what I meant was we didn't have one
[22:45] <Jasperw> the green bits look like woodland in google earth
[22:45] <AlexBreton> hang on
[22:45] <AlexBreton> one of the blue bits is on a village called st-hilaire-la gerard
[22:46] <AlexBreton> and someone said the last point we heard from it was there
[22:46] <Jasperw> Forêt d'Ecouves is the woodland
[22:46] <AlexBreton> sbasuita, can you check your logs for that?
[22:46] <junderwood_> I said I thought it would land there
[22:46] <RocketBoy> edmoore: I just emailed you my full fldigi log
[22:46] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/zeusbot/highaltitude.log.20091214
[22:47] <MikeMc> so who's driving over to France tomorrow?
[22:47] <MikeMc> Anyone got a pilots licence?
[22:47] <AlexBreton> lol no
[22:47] <AlexBreton> sbasuita ty
[22:47] <edmoore> RocketBoy: thanks
[22:47] <junderwood_> TTFN
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[22:49] <AlexBreton> well the guys in france are going to have a look, but I gave them the wrong co-ords completely
[22:49] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, best call 'em up
[22:49] <AlexBreton> it's getting close to midnight there
[22:49] <AlexBreton> allow yourself
[22:49] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, yeh but still
[22:49] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, contact them in some way
[22:49] <AlexBreton> tomorrow ;-)
[22:50] <AlexBreton> afternoon
[22:50] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, from school
[22:50] <AlexBreton> where's the rush
[22:50] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, weather, batteries, etc
[22:50] <AlexBreton> sigh
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[22:53] <sbasuita> Anyway, sbasuita -> bed. Good luck with the payload guys,
[22:53] <natrium42> nite
[22:54] <natrium42> is there Plan C?
[22:54] <natrium42> (phone number attached to payload)
[23:02] <natrium42> i added RocketBoy's points to the tracker
[23:05] <edmoore> natrium42: yes
[23:05] <edmoore> although probs smudged by the ethanol spill
[23:05] <natrium42> cool
[23:05] <natrium42> ah
[23:06] <natrium42> "what, the brits started dropping alcohol on us now?"
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[23:10] <RocketBoy> natriumm42: you are missing the outrageous french accent, stripy tee-shirt and sting of onions
[23:11] <natrium42> haha :)
[23:12] <MikeMc> i hate the sting of onions
[23:12] <RocketBoy> perhaps they are really garlic
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[23:14] <RocketBoy> ah well off to bed - too much excitment in one day
[23:14] <Randomskk> edmoore: how do you power your ic7000?
[23:15] <natrium42> RocketBoy, excellent work with the tracking! g'nite
[23:16] <edmoore> Randomskk: psu
[23:17] <Randomskk> any particular psu? :p
[23:17] <edmoore> mysel somethingorother
[23:17] <Randomskk> okay
[23:17] <edmoore> black and of a similar form factor to rado
[23:17] <Randomskk> I should probably buy a proper psu, this computer atx psu with some duct taped wires is a total mess
[23:17] <Randomskk> also 12V not 13V8 or whatever
[23:20] <djellison> So Ed - when are you getting an Arrow Antenna :) 427km. FOUR TWO SEVEN :)
[23:21] <Randomskk> that is crazy impressive
[23:22] <djellison> I think I had good fortune just in my line of sight that way
[23:22] <Randomskk> I need to work out my furthest distance :p
[23:22] <Randomskk> shame I figured out the lsb thing just as it faded beyond decoding
[23:23] <Randomskk> got almsot all of #1040, single character misplaced it seems
[23:23] <Randomskk> but you are further away to start with, I was practically directly underneath the thing :p
[23:23] <natrium42> djellison, that was insane, great work!
[23:24] <natrium42> who needs HF... :)
[23:24] <Randomskk> haha yup
[23:24] <Randomskk> just VHF beam to france :p
[23:24] <Randomskk> and that's 10mW!
[23:24] <RocketBoy> natrium42: thanks - night all
[23:25] <djellison> With some altitude here I'd have done better.
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[23:25] <natrium42> tethered balloon with a yagi?
[23:25] <natrium42> or is it illegal?
[23:25] <djellison> Probably illegal
[23:25] <djellison> and pointing would be a bitch
[23:26] <djellison> Now - get the PAYLOAD to point a mini Yagi :)
[23:26] <Randomskk> yea, we need edmoore's project :p
[23:26] <Randomskk> natrium42: I wouldn't have thought it'd be illegal
[23:26] <Randomskk> the tethered balloon bit might be
[23:26] <Randomskk> but you're not transmitting
[23:26] <Randomskk> aeronautical transmission is illegal, but receiving?
[23:27] <djellison> Just a big ham radio mast + big many element yagi + rotator in azimuth = job done
[23:27] <Randomskk> or you could probably put the yagi on the balloon and some ladder feeder down
[23:27] <Randomskk> but yea, I think what djellison suggests is best
[23:27] <Randomskk> except with like 4 yagis
[23:27] <Randomskk> maybe moe
[23:27] <Randomskk> more*
[23:27] <Randomskk> four 20-element 434mhz yagis on a rotator linked to the tracker
[23:27] <djellison> Remember - one 7 element yagi - and I lost it not because of range and gain, but because of line of sight
[23:27] <Randomskk> and you're sorted
[23:28] <djellison> it went over my local horizon
[23:28] <Randomskk> yup
[23:28] <Randomskk> just need altitude
[23:28] <Randomskk> houses got in the way here :(
[23:28] <djellison> But I'm probably going to be heading across the atlantic for 12 mths in the new year so I wont be investing in that kit here
[23:28] <djellison> I will do if/when I return though
[23:29] <Randomskk> invest in it there
[23:29] <Randomskk> all you need is sufficient amplitude :p
[23:29] <Randomskk> I mean altitude
[23:29] <Randomskk> uhm
[23:29] <Randomskk> I suppose eventually the entire earth gets in the way no matter what your altitude is
[23:29] <djellison> Quite
[23:29] <Randomskk> I guess satellites are the next step then? :p
[23:29] <djellison> even geostationary satellites don't see it all :)
[23:30] <djellison> We just need to get ham's with very simple kit ( 817 + 7 el yagi + big of wood = win ) to know about it.
[23:30] <Randomskk> if we had a quad-yagi rotator linked to the tracker, with a yagi on the balloon pointing back at it...
[23:30] <djellison> It's a cool activity, makes you feel you're contributing something, I think they just don't know about it yet
[23:30] <Randomskk> yea, I guess actually getting more people to listen is the better way to solve it
[23:31] <djellison> Hell - I can get it at 100km on my monopole easily
[23:31] <Randomskk> rather than one awe-inspiring antenna array
[23:31] <Jasperw> do you guys know the dekspc place in greenwich? they have roof access + good views: http://dek.spc.org/images/deckspacetop09large.jpg
[23:31] <Randomskk> nice
[23:31] <Randomskk> your longitude is easy to work out as well
[23:31] <Randomskk> added bonus
[23:32] <djellison> anyhoo - back to the real world.
[23:32] <djellison> Night all.
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[23:32] <natrium42> nite
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