highaltitude.log.20091206

[00:37] <jonsowman> hi edmoore
[00:37] <jonsowman> you around?
[00:37] <edmoore> yep
[00:37] <jonsowman> hows things? any buspirates about yet?
[00:37] <edmoore> not for hugely longer though
[00:37] <edmoore> no pirates yet
[00:38] <edmoore> let's hope monday
[00:38] <jonsowman> ah ok, yep hopefully
[00:38] <jonsowman> im at home now anyway
[00:38] <jonsowman> but just thought id check
[00:38] <edmoore> ok, will forward it on when it arrives
[00:38] <jonsowman> thanks, let me know when you need my address
[00:39] <edmoore> may aswell email it to me now
[00:39] <jonsowman> will do
[00:40] <jonsowman> done
[00:40] <jonsowman> right, im off to bed. snow ball last night
[00:40] <jonsowman> rather tired now
[00:40] <edmoore> ta
[00:41] <jonsowman> catch you later
[00:41] <edmoore> can imagine!
[00:41] <edmoore> see you later
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[09:21] <rjharrison> morning all
[09:21] <rjharrison> In reading ATM
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[09:22] <rjharrison> hey jcoxon
[09:23] <rjharrison> how is BH going?
[09:23] <jcoxon> morning
[09:23] <jcoxon> getting there - slowly
[09:24] <rjharrison> Cool
[09:24] <rjharrison> Kids are kicking off I'll bbiab
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[11:14] <edmoore> morning all
[11:15] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[11:15] <edmoore> all well?
[11:16] <jcoxon> indeed
[11:16] <jcoxon> 800 words written this morning
[11:17] <edmoore> what's the target?
[11:18] <jcoxon> prob 1200
[11:19] <edmoore> in english?
[11:20] <jcoxon> hehe
[11:20] <jcoxon> tis a patient case study
[11:24] <SpeedEvil> 'His case was interesting. It was a brushed aluminium with black wheels, and a Hello Kitty sticker on the side'.
[11:25] <jcoxon> something along those lines :p
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[14:40] <Laurenceb> http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9051&Product_Name=The_Rocket_Series_Outrunner_860kv_for_Sport_Park_Flyers
[14:40] <Laurenceb> thats a nice motor
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[14:52] <Laurenceb> jcoxon_ hows it going?
[14:53] <Laurenceb> done any more ballast work?
[14:54] <jcoxon_> just cutting polystyrene to make the enclosure
[14:54] <jcoxon_> and am running the payload, testing my gps antenna
[14:55] <Laurenceb> neat
[14:55] <Laurenceb> you should just be able to suck the ballast out
[14:55] <Laurenceb> - if your staying below about 30Km altitude
[14:55] <jcoxon_> hehe
[14:55] <jcoxon_> yeah
[14:55] <jcoxon_> its coming together
[14:55] <Laurenceb> I was thinking hose in through the top
[14:56] <Laurenceb> to suck it out
[14:56] <jcoxon_> i've got a new IR led which is stronger
[14:56] <Laurenceb> then a vertical pipe shoved in through another hole in the top
[14:56] <jcoxon_> which works better
[14:56] <Laurenceb> with led at the bottom
[14:56] <Laurenceb> and photodiode at top out of the liquid
[14:56] <Laurenceb> cool
[14:56] <Laurenceb> what sort of adc readings?
[14:57] <jcoxon_> ummm once i've added it in i'll get back to you on that
[14:57] <jcoxon_> its sort of 300 - 400
[14:57] <Laurenceb> really you want some light proof pipe
[14:57] <Laurenceb> cool sounds good
[14:57] <Laurenceb> not sure what to use, ideally aluminium or something
[14:57] <jcoxon_> my tank is black plastic :-p
[14:57] <jcoxon_> once constructed will take picture
[14:57] <jcoxon_> s
[14:58] <Laurenceb> ah ok
[14:59] <Laurenceb> I'd suggest for the transatlantic version mayb e putting the opamp on a little pcb at the top of the tank
[14:59] <Laurenceb> and using shielded cable to get the signal to the daughterboard
[14:59] <jcoxon_> yeah sounds sensible
[14:59] <Laurenceb> the RF will be strong
[14:59] <Laurenceb> from th HF transmittier
[15:00] <jcoxon_> true
[15:02] <Laurenceb> maybe line the payload enclosure with copper tape
[15:28] <Laurenceb> http://www.nbtv.org/
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[17:19] <jcoxon> hey Laurenceb
[17:19] <Laurenceb> hi
[17:19] <jcoxon> just removed the grease from inside the pump
[17:19] <jcoxon> there was a small amount - it works fine with out it
[17:21] <Laurenceb> does it have a gearbox?
[17:22] <jcoxon> indeed it does - thats my next question
[17:22] <jcoxon> you used to discuss a cold resistant grease?
[17:22] <Laurenceb> hmm maybe
[17:23] <Laurenceb> or just use some oil instead
[17:27] <Laurenceb> or stick the pump inside the enclosure
[17:27] <jcoxon> its going inside
[17:27] <Laurenceb> I'd say just putting some WD40 or similar in there would eb fine
[17:27] <jcoxon> its just that it still gets really cold
[17:27] <jcoxon> okay cool - that makes my life a lot easier
[17:27] <Laurenceb> -30 minimum i'd say
[17:27] <Laurenceb> WD40 I suspect would be ok
[17:28] <jcoxon> cool well the pump will have is own temp sensor so that'll provide some info if something fails
[17:28] <Laurenceb> neat
[17:29] <jcoxon> so does the GPS now
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[17:30] Action: Laurenceb wants a decent ubuntu flash solution for christmas
[17:30] Action: Laurenceb stabs npviewer
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> It's damn insane that flash on the n900 works better than on my laptop
[17:32] <Laurenceb> it maxes out the processor for 10 seconds just to load a video
[17:33] <Laurenceb> http://teamprometheus.org/movies/Blog.html
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> :/
[17:33] <Laurenceb> I think they need to consider thermal protection
[17:34] <Laurenceb> I was modelling a nanosat covered by mylar - interestingly the heat from the transmitter is an order of magnitude greated than the IR emission/solar absorbtion
[17:35] <Laurenceb> youd need to stick a temperature sensor in it and adjust the tx duty cycle
[17:35] <Laurenceb> but then you could keep it at a constant 50C or so
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> depends which way the mylar is round of course
[17:35] <Laurenceb> if its spin stabilised theres no difference
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> does
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> if it's aluminium sideout, then it hasvery little IR radiation
[17:36] <Laurenceb> oh yeah
[17:37] <Laurenceb> the sun is effectively going around once a year
[17:37] <Laurenceb> - moving about the spin axis
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> you meanfor apolarsat?
[17:37] <Laurenceb> so if you launched at the right time you could contrl it accurately
[17:37] Action: SpeedEvil cleanskeyb
[17:37] <Laurenceb> no equatorial
[17:38] <Laurenceb> spin axis is along the orbit at seperation
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> ew
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> oops
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> you get 1/2the time indarknessthough
[17:38] <Laurenceb> yes
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[17:43] <Laurenceb> yeah it would still be a pain to control
[17:43] <Laurenceb> and set annoying launch windows
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[17:43] <Laurenceb> best to cover use the Tx duty cycle
[17:44] <Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbody_Temperature
[17:45] <Laurenceb> earth is -25C effective
[17:45] <Laurenceb> will be hotter near the equator
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[17:53] <Laurenceb> a spherical body would vary between about -55C and 30C over the equator
[17:56] <Shellevil> the earth helps lots
[17:59] <Laurenceb> yeah
[17:59] <Laurenceb> a little bit of internal heat dissapation and fine tuning of the covering emissivity and you could get that to -40C to 45C or so
[17:59] <Laurenceb> then the heat capacity help a bit
[18:00] <Laurenceb> so you could probably get away without any Tx duty cycle changes
[18:00] <Shellevil> on n900 while laptop keyb dries a bit - tiny bit of water
[18:00] <Laurenceb> - I'm assuming a sphere
[18:00] <Shellevil> I looked at 1cc of ice for that
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[18:03] <Laurenceb> FR4 has reasonable heat capacity, as do lipo cells
[18:03] <Laurenceb> that makes up most of the mass
[18:03] <Laurenceb> total sat is about 20J/K
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[18:06] <Laurenceb> ice doesnt hlp massively
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[18:06] <Laurenceb> - about 334J
[18:06] <Laurenceb> for 1gram of ice - not huge
[18:07] <Speedevil> enthalpy too
[18:08] <Speedevil> delta j from -20 +40
[18:10] <Laurenceb> yes
[18:11] <Speedevil> li-ion is maybe better though
[18:12] <Laurenceb> hmm FR4 is actually about 1J/k/g
[18:12] <Laurenceb> need to know what lipo cells heat capacity is
[18:14] <Speedevil> i mean as energy storage
[18:14] <Speedevil> plus
[18:15] <Laurenceb> http://www.springerlink.com/content/m8737ng59w045j16/
[18:15] <Laurenceb> 1230 J/kg in the lithium polymer battery
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[18:15] <Speedevil> That's low
[18:15] <Laurenceb> looks like that sat ends up more like 10J/K
[18:16] <Speedevil> 200wh/kg
[18:16] <Laurenceb> thats heat capacity
[18:16] <Speedevil> ah
[18:18] <Laurenceb> they screwed up the units
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[20:44] <rjharrison_> Bloody colds
[20:44] <rjharrison_> jcoxon, can you make it your lifes work to abolish them
[20:45] <rjharrison_> :-(
[20:45] <rjharrison_> Any news guys?
[20:45] <jcoxon> i'll get right on it
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[20:54] <rjharrison_> jcoxon thanks
[20:54] <rjharrison_> You will have the noble prize for that
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[20:55] <rjharrison_> jcoxon thanks
[20:55] <rjharrison_> You will have the noble prize for that
[20:55] <jcoxon_> thats very true
[20:55] <rjharrison_> wx has been crap recently
[20:55] <rjharrison_> infact not recently for bloody months can you sort that along with the colds
[20:55] <jcoxon_> this weekend looks interesting
[20:56] <rjharrison_> oooh
[20:56] <jcoxon_> some big high pressure
[20:56] <rjharrison_> yay
[20:56] <jcoxon_> though still far to early
[20:56] <rjharrison_> do I detect a flight being planned :)
[20:57] <jcoxon_> i'd love to
[20:57] <jcoxon_> but
[20:57] <jcoxon_> it hasn't been tested yet
[20:57] <jcoxon_> i'm still constructing hte beast
[20:58] <rjharrison_> DanielRichman you guys ready?
[20:58] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_, i'm building a yagi over christmas
[20:58] <DanielRichman> aside from that, yeah, payload 100% finished
[21:00] <jcoxon_> rjharrison_, i might be ready 19/20th
[21:00] <rjharrison_> Cool
[21:00] <rjharrison_> xmas day launch then
[21:01] <russss> heh
[21:02] <Laurenceb> hopefully not like beagle
[21:03] <jcoxon_> right, no leaks on the new ballast tank
[21:03] <jcoxon_> time to calibrate with some surgical spirit
[21:04] <Laurenceb> awsome
[21:04] <Laurenceb> heh surjical spirit
[21:04] <Laurenceb> surely anaesthetics are better?
[21:04] <Laurenceb> bbl
[21:04] <jcoxon_> bbl
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[21:26] <rjharrison_> I'm off to bed to nurse my man flue :)
[21:27] <rjharrison_> flu even
[21:27] <rjharrison_> nights all
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