highaltitude.log.20091130

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[01:18] <juxta> morning all
[01:19] <Randomskk> mornin' :P
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[09:41] <[EI5GTB]> mornin
[09:53] <jonsowman> morning
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[10:43] <jonsowman> cheque is in the post edmoore
[10:45] <edmoore> thanks jonsowman
[10:45] <jonsowman> how are things?
[10:46] <edmoore> not bad
[10:46] <edmoore> just been asked to give a talk on CUSF next march - http://www.radioclubs.net/padarc/events.php?events_id=1821
[10:46] <jonsowman> oo very nice
[10:47] <edmoore> doing a bit of work in college today, trying to catch up on admin. there's a collegey thing in london this afternoon so am basically having bit of a domestic until then
[10:47] <jonsowman> ah fair enough
[10:50] <edmoore> just drifting thoguh this morning's emails, and on that point, need to make a skype call. bbiab
[10:50] <jonsowman> oka
[10:50] <jonsowman> y
[11:09] <edmoore> back
[11:11] <jonsowman> hi
[11:13] <edmoore> no lectures this morning?
[11:13] <jonsowman> not till 12
[11:13] <jonsowman> first time that's happened this term
[11:14] <jonsowman> gotta finish the structural design project this afternoon
[11:14] <edmoore> :)
[11:15] <edmoore> i just twatted more forehead on my desk by trying to blow my nose and not looking properly
[11:15] <jonsowman> haha well done
[11:16] <edmoore> so this place we visited on Saturday was very exciting
[11:16] <jonsowman> where was that?
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[11:17] <edmoore> Westcott
[11:17] <edmoore> airborneengineering.co.uk/
[11:19] <jonsowman> wow very nice
[11:19] <edmoore> they're the guys who did stuff for the top gear robin reliant too
[11:19] <jonsowman> oh right yeh i remember that
[11:26] <jonsowman> right, mechanics lecture. bbl
[11:26] <edmoore> see you
[11:27] <edmoore> !thislog
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[11:42] <G8KHW-2> edmoore: did you meet Jim McF at airborne?
[11:42] <edmoore> yep
[11:43] <edmoore> just talked shop for about 5 hour. was great
[11:43] <G8KHW-2> he is a MARS memeber - and gerneral rocket guy
[11:43] <G8KHW-2> come to EARS occasionally
[11:43] <G8KHW-2> comes
[11:43] <edmoore> indeed - have bumped into him a couple of big ears ago, saw gyroc
[11:43] <G8KHW-2> oh yeah
[11:44] <edmoore> the gyro in the original gyroc is an abslute thing of beauty and creativity. I stand in awe
[11:44] <G8KHW-2> I have been trying to work out how big airborne engineering was?
[11:44] <edmoore> basically just him
[11:44] <G8KHW-2> the mechanical gyro?
[11:44] <edmoore> yeah
[11:44] <G8KHW-2> on pencil leads
[11:45] <edmoore> yeah :)
[11:45] <G8KHW-2> yeah - way cool - so simple
[11:45] <G8KHW-2> but effective
[11:46] <G8KHW-2> so did you go to see the motor testing facilities at westcott
[11:46] <G8KHW-2> ?
[11:47] <edmoore> yes :)
[11:47] <edmoore> they are awesome too
[11:47] <edmoore> we may be using one to test martlet's nw reaer end
[11:47] <edmoore> new*
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[11:48] <G8KHW-2> cool
[11:48] <edmoore> the test bunkers are really nicely thought out
[11:49] <G8KHW-2> custom made :-)
[11:50] <G8KHW-2> care of UK rocket history
[11:50] <edmoore> they were just fitting once out as we were there. plasma screens with multiple camera views of the test chamber, 4" thick glass windows through to the chamber, lots of apocalyptic looking plumbing, and so on
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[11:51] <G8KHW-2> way cool
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[12:34] <juxta> evening all
[12:36] <edmoore> morning juxta
[12:37] <juxta> :)
[12:38] <juxta> edmoore: I was wondering if someone from the UK could clear me up on what your restrictions re transmit power are over there?
[12:38] <juxta> in the LIPD/ISM band that is
[12:39] <edmoore> in the ISM band? hrm
[12:39] <juxta> as in where the NTX2's transmit
[12:39] <juxta> 433-434
[12:39] <edmoore> I don't actually know, I'm afriad. suspect it may just be 10mW again
[12:39] <edmoore> oh
[12:39] <edmoore> 10mW
[12:40] <juxta> 10mW max power output? or max EIRP?
[12:40] <edmoore> ERP i beleive
[12:42] <juxta> hmm
[12:43] <juxta> so doesnt adding basically any antenna push you over when using a 10mW transmitter?
[12:43] <edmoore> i theory yes, this is why the rule is a bit silly
[12:43] <juxta> yeah
[12:44] <juxta> i noticed the same thing here
[12:44] <edmoore> we tend to ignore it, and just use 10mW off the shelf transmitters
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> I suspect that for omni - practically nobody can measure.
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> In theory if you used huge dishes...
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> But in practice, OFCOM doesn't have roaming teams of 433MHz scanners.
[12:45] <juxta> haha, yeah
[12:46] <juxta> I got an email from a ham chewing me out is all
[12:46] <edmoore> chewing you out?
[12:46] <juxta> complaining
[12:46] <edmoore> if it's legal..
[12:46] <juxta> well, not complaing as such, but having a bit of whinge
[12:47] <edmoore> they just want to go on local repeaters and talk about their ailments and strategies for washing underwear as infrequently as possible
[12:47] <juxta> haha
[12:47] <edmoore> they get given all this amazing spectrum and use it for the least interesting thing possible
[12:47] <edmoore> it's very strange
[12:47] <juxta> I had a look at the typical questions for the foundations license here
[12:48] <juxta> I'll sit for it soon, it's very very basic
[12:48] <edmoore> if you want to fwd the email, i could see if any of his complaints tally with the ones we usually get, and maybe try and write some more considered answers
[12:49] <juxta> stuff like 'what is an antenna for? a) attracting birds b) signalling your position to other hams c) converting electrical power to rf signals'
[12:49] <juxta> cheers edmoore, I'll wait on his response, i sent him one back :)
[12:49] <edmoore> :)
[12:50] <juxta> have had a few hams email offering to help though, some really nice guys too
[12:50] <edmoore> right, may go for some lunch
[12:50] <juxta> one guy tracks met ballons regularly, offered me some radiosondes, radar refletors, use of his rigs, etc
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[13:40] <jcoxon> afternoon all
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[13:48] <SpeedEvil> Woo. Free n900.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> I suspect they will want cash though.
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> For some reason today the n900 charge that nokia.co.uk had taken from my account has been cancelled.
[13:50] <jcoxon> :-)
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[14:01] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil: yeah they usually notice
[14:03] <EI5GTB> afternoon
[14:07] <jcoxon> hey EI5GTB
[14:10] <EI5GTB> how now?
[14:10] <EI5GTB> no craic?
[14:16] <jcoxon> am in the library :-(
[14:16] <EI5GTB> oh i see
[14:16] <jcoxon> no fun
[14:17] <jcoxon> though can get IRC by ssh into my laptop at home :-p
[14:17] <EI5GTB> haha, great job
[14:18] <jcoxon> ever get round to writing that safety report?
[14:19] <EI5GTB> nope
[14:19] <EI5GTB> not yet
[14:22] <jcoxon> well my next flight might be coming your way :-p
[14:22] <jcoxon> long duration flight :-)
[14:30] <EI5GTB> really?
[14:31] <EI5GTB> landing in ireland somewhere?
[14:31] <jcoxon> not really sure
[14:31] <edmoore|away> yo jcoxon
[14:31] <jcoxon> basically its a ballast tank test - the criteria for launch is that if it doesn't acheive float it lands in the UK but apart from that i'll launhc
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[14:32] <jcoxon> so if it achieves float it can drift out to sea
[14:32] <jcoxon> so it depends which way teh winds are going!
[14:32] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[14:32] <edmoore> how's it going?
[14:32] <jcoxon> not bad thanks, am in the library working on my audit
[14:32] <jcoxon> how about you?
[14:32] <EI5GTB> jcoxon: more often than not they head east tho.. correct?
[14:33] <edmoore> not bad, yes getting ready to pop to london this afternnon/eve
[14:33] <jcoxon> EI5GTB: yeah but sometimes http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo#flight_2
[14:33] <jcoxon> edmoore: oh cool
[14:34] <EI5GTB> cool
[14:34] <EI5GTB> would be cool to land it in ireland... then i could pick it up.. and fly oit back :LP
[14:35] <jcoxon> EI5GTB: going west would give us more listeners
[14:35] <jcoxon> but i suspect we'll end up going east
[14:35] <EI5GTB> yea
[14:37] <jcoxon> edmoore: thanks for the offer of help - sorry had to dash last night as helen popped over
[14:37] <edmoore> np
[14:41] <jcoxon> edmoore: any thoughts on how to get ballasthalo 3 to float
[14:41] <jcoxon> i guess launch a little later
[14:41] <jcoxon> aim for 5m/s
[14:42] <jcoxon> oh wait 2-3m/s
[14:42] <edmoore> I would have reservations about doing that
[14:42] <edmoore> yes
[14:42] <edmoore> that's more like it
[14:42] <jcoxon> read the wrong part of my table
[14:42] <jcoxon> http://www.pegasushabproject.org.uk/wiki/doku.php/missions:ballasthalo#float_data
[14:45] <jcoxon> i'll email wb8elk and try and get his float data to add to the table
[14:46] <edmoore> cool
[14:47] <jcoxon> though i doubt he'll reply :-p
[14:48] <edmoore> too busy up in olympus
[14:48] <jcoxon> hehe
[14:48] <edmoore> if ballasthalo gets hit by a lightening-bolt, we'll know why
[14:49] <jcoxon> dont' have a sensor for that!
[14:49] <jcoxon> i wonder if divine intervention sensors are i2c or 1-wire
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[17:02] <AlexBreton> afternoon
[17:05] Action: sbasuita waves at AlexBreton
[17:05] <AlexBreton> hi there
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[17:19] <AlexBreton> sbasuita, what did I miss in bio/phys?
[17:20] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, biology we went over coursework stuffs
[17:20] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, we have research lesson on wednesday; you need to see pickering before that
[17:20] <AlexBreton> facepalm
[17:20] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, physics was the usual "do questions whilst i shout at people" from akbarian
[17:20] <AlexBreton> so nothing missed
[17:21] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, where were you today?
[17:21] <AlexBreton> woke up with my throat feeling like a Panzer division had just gone over it
[17:21] <AlexBreton> so I allowed school
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[17:29] <jonsowman> evening all
[17:39] <AlexBreton> sbasuita, DanielRichman, when are we building a yagi?
[17:41] <DanielRichman> AlexBreton, i will be procuring metal for the elements next weekend
[17:41] <DanielRichman> on the sunday
[17:41] <DanielRichman> then essentially I'll roll into tech monday lunchtime with the design and give it to Mr Dance
[17:41] <DanielRichman> or rather, ask his help
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[17:57] <AlexBreton> sbasuita, can you link me up to the consent form
[17:59] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, i uploaded it to wave
[17:59] <AlexBreton> sbasuita, I'm not in this wave
[17:59] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, ah but you are ;)
[17:59] <AlexBreton> sbasuita, an email would be great instead of using gimmicks
[17:59] <AlexBreton> srsly
[18:00] <sbasuita> ok ok ok
[18:00] <AlexBreton> wtf
[18:00] <AlexBreton> omg
[18:00] <AlexBreton> I am in the wave
[18:00] <AlexBreton> when did this happen?
[18:01] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, yay :) now you can hit the shiny web 2.0 pdf download ; P
[18:01] <AlexBreton> bewm
[18:04] <AlexBreton> wow I already have 8 invites
[18:11] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, got 16 :D
[18:11] <AlexBreton> sbasuita, any english?
[18:11] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, hmmmmmm....
[18:11] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, don't think so
[18:11] <AlexBreton> good
[18:12] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, but srsly you're meant to remind me about the homework ;)
[18:12] <AlexBreton> I don't think there was any
[18:12] <AlexBreton> ah yes
[18:12] <AlexBreton> read one of the poems
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[18:57] <jcoxon> hmmm seems like crunchpad has died
[19:36] <RocketBoy> I can't see somthing like that dieing - too cool - it'll come out one way or another.
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[20:00] <AlexBreton> sbasuita, been thinking
[20:01] <AlexBreton> Google Wave is perfect for terrorists
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[20:02] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, quickly, insert government control
[20:03] <AlexBreton> yes
[20:03] <AlexBreton> I mean it's so convenient
[20:03] <AlexBreton> maps, videos, documents, IM...
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[20:07] <shauno> Then don't invite terrorists. silly.
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[20:11] <AlexBreton> what if someone gets an invite and then turns to terrorism?
[20:13] <sbasuita> AlexBreton, see what we need is a way to identify criminals _before_ they commit the crime!
[20:13] <sbasuita> genius!
[20:13] <AlexBreton> yes, that's so easy to do
[20:13] <AlexBreton> we've solved global crime
[20:17] <AlexBreton> rumour is afoot that there's maths homework to do
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[22:10] <rjharrison_> ping junderwood
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[22:10] <junderwood> pog
[22:10] <junderwood> pong
[22:10] <rjharrison_> You up tomorrow?
[22:11] <junderwood> No. The last time I looked at the weather, we would land in the Thames estuary
[22:12] <rjharrison_> Ok cool
[22:12] <rjharrison_> I'll get the XML files done now
[22:12] <junderwood> Thursday or Saturday currently look favourite but I haven't checked the met for 12 hours
[22:12] <junderwood> Ta
[22:18] <jcoxon> evening rjharrison_
[22:20] <rjharrison_> Hey jasonb
[22:21] <rjharrison_> Hey jcoxon
[22:21] <rjharrison_> Didn't see you there sir
[22:21] <rjharrison_> Hows it going
[22:21] <rjharrison_> did you get my feed back on the logo
[22:21] <jasonb> hi. :)
[22:22] <jcoxon> rjharrison_, i didn't - that logo is really old - laurence dragged it up from the depths of flickr
[22:23] <rjharrison_> I liked the white one
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[23:55] <EI5GTB> ojai
[23:55] <EI5GTB> ohai*
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