highaltitude.log.20091107

[00:08] <rjharrison> Nearly there
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[00:08] <rjharrison> Hi edmoore
[00:08] <edmoore> hi rjharrison
[00:08] <rjharrison> Just about packed
[00:09] <rjharrison> Picking up fergus tomorrow
[00:09] <edmoore> cool
[00:09] <edmoore> am back in cam now
[00:09] <rjharrison> wow
[00:09] <rjharrison> so soon
[00:10] <natrium42> what you can do with an avr ---> http://hackaday.com/2009/11/03/8-bit-device-quenches-iphone-envy/
[00:10] <edmoore> yep
[00:10] <rjharrison> Are you going to come to ears tomorrow?
[00:10] <rjharrison> or are you going to monitor from cam
[00:10] <rjharrison> b
[00:10] <edmoore> I can do whichever is the more useful
[00:10] <edmoore> which might be monitoring from cam
[00:11] <edmoore> what do you think?
[00:12] <rjharrison> I'm happy either way
[00:13] <rjharrison> Would like to see if we can communicate over radio to camb from EARS
[00:13] <edmoore> may be that having someone here is advantageous. faster net and more computer power
[00:13] <rjharrison> Yep
[00:13] <edmoore> i'm sure it'd be peasy through a repeater
[00:14] <rjharrison> I'm hoping to try to do a bit like the last nasa launch with radio coms at key stages before lauunch
[00:14] <natrium42> hehe :)
[00:15] <edmoore> i sort of need a 2nd radio with yagi to try and do repeater comms with you at whichever your local repeater is
[00:15] <edmoore> eg when you're around diss
[00:15] <edmoore> could pump 50W down a yagi towards diss in the hope it activates the repeater
[00:16] <Randomskk> edmoore: passed foundation and intermediate :D
[00:17] <Randomskk> now I have the full booklet and it's certainly got a bit more to it, exam in a month
[00:17] <edmoore> congratulations (i guess!)
[00:17] <Randomskk> lol not that either are particularly hard
[00:17] <Randomskk> we all finished foundation in 5min out of 45, and intermediate in about 15 out of 75 :P
[00:18] <edmoore> i had to invigilate the previous batch. similar story
[00:18] <Randomskk> shame about the "you have to stay half the time" thing
[00:19] <rjharrison> edmoore I'm coming to collect fergusnoble_ @ 8:30 ish
[00:19] <rjharrison> and then return him to camb before chase
[00:19] <edmoore> his favourite time of day
[00:19] <rjharrison> :)
[00:20] <rjharrison> Will pack coffee
[00:20] <edmoore> you're welcome to a quick coffee in chu if you want
[00:20] <fergusnoble_> edmoore: want to set up the auto-track-o-tron?
[00:20] <rjharrison> Might do on the way home depending
[00:20] <edmoore> fergusnoble_: sure why not, although depends slightly on where we can get access to
[00:21] <edmoore> i'm not sure we'll get the decking, unless there are some grad students around
[00:21] <fergusnoble_> yeah, seems unlikely
[00:21] <fergusnoble_> what have we got access to that faces east?
[00:21] <edmoore> we need somewhere high and west facing
[00:21] <edmoore> by which i mean east facing
[00:22] <rjharrison> GB3PI
[00:22] <edmoore> am just looking at cam in gmaps trying to see
[00:22] <rjharrison> for tomorrow
[00:22] <fergusnoble_> there is a building in queens with a roof but not sure if I'd get access
[00:23] <edmoore> car battery and castle mound
[00:23] <edmoore> and thermos
[00:23] <fergusnoble_> hehe
[00:23] <fergusnoble_> not if its going to be me sat up there
[00:23] <edmoore> Randomskk: where does your room face in your bratislava accomodation?
[00:24] <fergusnoble_> edmoore: think Randomskk said he was going to be out all day :(
[00:24] <Randomskk> it is sadly west facing
[00:24] <Randomskk> on the west side of cambridge, too.
[00:24] <Randomskk> also yea I'm out 0900 to 2300 so... :P
[00:25] <edmoore> going offline for about 35 secs
[00:25] <Randomskk> edmoore: that said, I was in churchill the other day, your corridors are like something from alien
[00:25] <Randomskk> dark, occasional flickering lights, narrow
[00:25] <Randomskk> people jumping out at you
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[00:25] <edmoore1> back
[00:26] <Randomskk> edmoore: that said, I was in churchill the other day, your corridors are like something from alien
[00:26] <Randomskk> dark, occasional flickering lights, narrow
[00:26] <Randomskk> people jumping out at you
[00:26] <edmoore1> rjharrison can find his way through them
[00:27] <Randomskk> admittedly the "people jumping out at you" part probably doesn't happen the whole time
[00:28] <edmoore1> i need to charge my portable
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[00:29] <edmoore1> may be that we just do yagi + tripod
[00:29] <Randomskk> what radio do you have?
[00:29] <Randomskk> I still need to get one sometime.
[00:29] <Randomskk> might be in devon over xmas too, be fun to try from there
[00:29] <edmoore1> Randomskk: icom ic-7000
[00:30] <edmoore1> which I can say with an irritating smug look
[00:30] <Randomskk> I'm going to say "nice" and not really know much about it
[00:31] <Randomskk> besides that it seems to retail for around the £900 mark
[00:32] <edmoore1> it's got lots of modes, lots of bands, good sensitivity, good dsp, and it's portable
[00:33] <Randomskk> I was looking at an ft-817 on the basis of "£400" and "seems to do everything to some extent"
[00:34] <edmoore1> it's a super radio
[00:34] <Randomskk> which?
[00:34] <Randomskk> ic-7000 does look nice
[00:34] <Randomskk> the whole colour screen deal, too.
[00:35] <edmoore1> 817 too
[00:35] <Randomskk> 817 is 5W which seems a bit of a shame
[00:35] <edmoore1> byo amp
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[00:36] <SpeedEvil> http://twitter.com/big_ben_clock
[00:36] <Randomskk> I guess so
[00:36] <Randomskk> SpeedEvil: haha awesome
[00:37] <Randomskk> edmoore1: would 817+amp be a better idea than like an 857/897 w/o?
[00:37] <Randomskk> 897 does 100W
[00:37] <edmoore1> you can do a lot with 5W
[00:37] <edmoore1> i guess it depends on what you want to do
[00:38] <Randomskk> true
[00:38] <Randomskk> dunno what I want to do yet, so that presents some difficulties :P
[00:38] <rjharrison> I have an 897 and an 817 and the 817 is best for mobile
[00:38] <rjharrison> If you want a shack radio then the 897 is better
[00:38] <Randomskk> is it a significant difference in physical size? from the photos they look pretty similar but it's hard to tell
[00:39] <rjharrison> Yes by a factor of 4
[00:39] <rjharrison> poss ibly 6
[00:39] <Randomskk> jeez, okay
[00:39] <Randomskk> misleading picture is misleading
[00:39] <rjharrison> nights I have to be up at 5:30
[00:39] <Randomskk> seeya
[00:39] <Randomskk> good luck tomorrow
[00:39] <rjharrison> seee you all online tomorrow
[00:39] <edmoore1> yep, i will head off soon too
[00:39] <rjharrison> thanks
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[00:39] <edmoore1> rjharrison: am up from 7 so call if you need anything
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[00:42] <edmoore1> better put handheld on charge
[00:43] <edmoore1> fergusnoble_: do you need anything from me tonight?
[00:43] <edmoore1> so to speak...
[00:43] <edmoore1> if ney i will go and faff and see you in t'morning\
[00:44] <fergusnoble_> erm, nope
[00:44] <fergusnoble_> will you be up tomorrow morning to chat by phone?
[00:44] <edmoore1> from 7
[00:44] <edmoore1> but not before please :)
[00:44] <edmoore1> will be on GB3PI aswell
[00:46] <edmoore1> would be cool if we could echolink GB3PI in for jcoxon to use from home
[00:56] <edmoore1> right, catch you all later
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[05:58] <rjharrison> Moring all
[05:58] <natrium42> hi rjharrison
[05:59] <rjharrison> gping tp be leaving in 10 mins
[05:59] <natrium42> cool
[05:59] <rjharrison> hi alesis
[05:59] <natrium42> good luck
[05:59] <rjharrison> alexis
[05:59] <rjharrison> Thanks
[05:59] <natrium42> :)
[05:59] <rjharrison> You going to be watching?
[05:59] <natrium42> yeah, the beginning at least
[05:59] <natrium42> i don't think i will make it till the end
[06:06] <rjharrison> Ok cool
[06:07] <rjharrison> Just run the predictor its going to be a fast ascent
[06:07] <rjharrison> Ground 0 wx is sunny anf 8mph winds which is quite slow
[06:07] <rjharrison> rigth time to pack
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[06:55] <rharrison_eee> driving
[06:56] <rharrison_eee> tracking too
[07:16] <rharrison_eee> ,
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[07:34] <edmoore> morting all
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[07:36] <sbasuita> marnin
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[07:42] <edmoore> hi sbasuita
[07:42] <edmoore> are you listening in today?
[07:43] <DanielRichman> edmoore, myself and sbasuita are going to a foundation training course
[07:43] <edmoore> well timed
[07:43] <DanielRichman> :P
[07:50] <sbasuita> edmoore, I'll write down the frequencies and maybe get a radio on it, mk?
[07:50] <rharrison_eee> hi
[07:50] <sbasuita> rharrison_eee, hallo
[07:51] <edmoore> see if you can swing an ant towards it at this course
[07:51] <rharrison_eee> runn 1 hr late
[07:51] <edmoore> ok rjharrison
[07:51] <sbasuita> #
[07:51] <sbasuita> Icarus II, 434.075Mhz, 10mW, RTTY
[07:51] <sbasuita> #
[07:51] <sbasuita> XABEN, 434.650Mhz, 10mW, RTTY
[07:51] <sbasuita> I assume those are correct?
[07:51] <edmoore> yep
[07:51] <sbasuita> btw what are the RTTY parameters?
[07:51] <rharrison_eee> may go direct 3 ears
[07:51] <rharrison_eee> 2
[07:52] <rharrison_eee> driving atm
[07:52] <sbasuita> 7n1?
[07:53] <rharrison_eee> seee trackder
[07:54] <rharrison_eee> wx nice and cleasr
[07:55] <edmoore> you need a radio operator :)
[07:55] <sbasuita> typing and driving :P
[07:55] <rharrison_eee> tricy
[07:56] <sbasuita> Um, anybody know whether the payloads are 7n1 or 8n1?
[07:56] <rharrison_eee> 8n1
[07:56] <rharrison_eee> icarus
[07:56] <sbasuita> rharrison_eee, cool
[07:59] <rharrison_eee> ok just stopped to get fuel
[07:59] <rharrison_eee> edmoore: I'm going to go straigh to ears
[08:00] <edmoore> ok
[08:00] <rharrison_eee> Hopefully fergus won't mind
[08:00] <edmoore> will text him
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[08:01] <edmoore> well timed!
[08:03] <fergusnoble> rjharrison: do you still need anoter pair of hands?
[08:03] <fergusnoble> ed doesnt mind driving us over to ears if so
[08:04] <fergusnoble> otherwise we will just set up a tracking station here
[08:04] <fergusnoble> rharrison_eee: ping
[08:04] <rharrison_eee> back
[08:04] <rharrison_eee> always helpfull
[08:05] <rharrison_eee> but happy either way
[08:05] <fergusnoble> edmoore: up to you then
[08:05] <rharrison_eee> steve will be launching too
[08:06] <rharrison_eee> driving
[08:08] <fergusnoble> edmoore: ?
[08:10] <MikeMc> morning
[08:12] <rharrison_eee> can somme1 post camb 2m rep freq again
[08:13] <fergusnoble> 145.15
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[08:32] <SpikeUK> Morning all!
[08:34] <MikeMc> Morning
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[08:34] <rharrison_eee1> ..h.
[08:34] <rharrison_eee1> ok
[08:34] <rharrison_eee1> gb3pi
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[08:36] <SpikeUK> rharrison_eee1 - ta!
[08:36] <MikeMc> ?
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[08:39] <rharrison_eee> will be on rep when in range
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[08:45] <MikeMc> Morning James
[08:46] <edmoore> hi jcoxon
[08:46] <jcoxon> morning
[08:50] <edmoore> jcoxon: 40
[08:52] <MikeMc> people keep answering questions i can't see
[08:52] <MikeMc> What is the carrier shift and baud rate being used today ?
[08:53] <edmoore> 5, 425 i think
[08:54] <edmoore> it should be set up automagically if you select 'icarus' in the approproate panel as per the wiki guide
[08:54] <edmoore> 50, not 5, sorry
[08:56] <MikeMc> thanks
[08:56] <fergusnoble> rob says he is going onto gb3pi
[08:57] <edmoore> ok, will get on it asap
[08:57] <edmoore> right bbl
[08:57] <fergusnoble> got your radio up there?
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[08:59] <fergusnoble> ok, bbl, going to meet ed
[09:00] <jcoxon> hey MikeMc
[09:00] <MikeMc> hey
[09:00] <jcoxon> dl-fldigi should set everything up automagically
[09:01] <MikeMc> yeah i've set it to icarus in the DL Client section
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[09:03] <MikeMc> thanks
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[09:04] <jcoxon> okay cool
[09:04] <jcoxon> so what we'll do is track icarus and then half of us will switch to XABEN when it gets launched
[09:05] <MikeMc> k
[09:05] <jcoxon> i've fixed up spacenear.us/tracker - thats probably the best place to track from
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[09:10] <rharrison_eee> hi edmoore
[09:10] <rharrison_eee> can you access gb3pi
[09:11] <rharrison_eee> i'm on there if you doo 2e0rjh
[09:12] <jcoxon> hey rjharrison
[09:12] <rharrison_eee> hi james
[09:13] <rharrison_eee> eta 10 mins
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[09:15] <rharrison_eee> edmoore:
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[09:19] <natrium42> ohai
[09:23] <rharrison_eee> hi
[09:23] <rharrison_eee> eta 2 mins
[09:24] <natrium42> yay
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[09:26] <G4BAO> Good Morning , just seen the posting on Camb-hams and set up fdigi... what's happenning ?
[09:27] <MikeMc> 2 launches this morning
[09:27] <G4BAO> OK.... when should I start monitoring?
[09:27] <natrium42> they are about to launch
[09:28] <G4BAO> OK, tnx...
[09:28] <MikeMc> be a little while yet i thinkl - i still see the car moving on the tracker
[09:28] <G4BAO> as pere the posing, Icarus 50baud rtty, 434.075?
[09:28] <G4BAO> per
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[09:28] <MikeMc> yep
[09:29] <MikeMc> are you using the modified fdigi? fl-digi?
[09:30] <G4BAO> I guess so, downloaded from the tracking site (I'm new to this!)
[09:30] <MikeMc> yeah that's fine
[09:30] <MikeMc> yeah i see your call sign in the list of loggersr
[09:31] <MikeMc> TS2K,VERTICAL
[09:31] <G4BAO> That's interesting, its not showing in my list..
[09:32] <MikeMc> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[09:32] <G4BAO> Ah was looking in wrong list..
[09:34] <MikeMc> Looks like they've set up in the corner of teh field
[09:34] <G4BAO> where are you monitoring the tracker?
[09:35] <MikeMc> http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/
[09:35] <MikeMc> that will give you the GPS coords of the balloon and the chase vehciles
[09:37] <G4BAO> Thanks
[09:37] <MikeMc> If you zoom in on the number 1 track you can see the corner of teh field where they have stopped, switch to satellite view
[09:38] <G4BAO> Got it, It will probabaly fly right over my head, I'm in Waterbeach, due East of Elsworth
[09:38] <Hiena> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDw4gk5pYl8
[09:38] <rharrison_eee> hi at ears
[09:40] <natrium42> hmm, google chrome is much faster on the tracker
[09:40] <natrium42> than firefox 3.5
[09:41] <MikeMc> The rate it is being updated I doubt it will matter
[09:41] <natrium42> well, it's redraws
[09:42] <natrium42> they have a better javascript engine
[09:42] <natrium42> wow, robert traveled half of england
[09:43] <MikeMc> yeah and i thought he lived near Cambridge
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[09:44] <MikeMc> crazy you can't just launch it from your back garden
[09:44] <rharrison_eee> hi all
[09:44] <natrium42> you really need good favourable winds for that :)
[09:45] <MikeMc> yeah but i am referring to the permission for launch stuff too
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[09:46] <MikeMc> lol if you zoom right in on that track it looks like they are having a game of football in that field
[09:46] <MikeMc> is there any video stream today?
[09:47] <natrium42> hehe
[09:47] <natrium42> don't think so
[09:48] <natrium42> picture stream would be nice
[09:49] <natrium42> better than video, IMO
[09:49] <MikeMc> can be yes unless you have high def video equipment
[09:49] <SpikeUK> jcoxon Any reason why http://spacenear.us/tracker/ is still blank - not showing CHASE_RJH like http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/ ?
[09:50] <natrium42> problem is also streaming via cellular
[09:50] <MikeMc> yeah
[09:50] <MikeMc> not fast
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[09:50] <natrium42> for pictures you can have 3MP shots or higher every few seconds :)
[09:52] <MikeMc> yep
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[10:02] Action: natrium42 Zzz
[10:04] <MikeMc> they'll be setting up and testing
[10:04] <MikeMc> need to make sure everything works perfectly before committing to launch - expensive stuff to sent up into the stratosphere
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[10:25] <MikeMc> wtf has just happened?
[10:25] <MikeMc> did they launch???
[10:25] <MikeMc> Wow it is over africa already
[10:25] <MikeMc> impressive
[10:25] <MikeMc> lol
[10:26] <jcoxon> hey
[10:27] <jcoxon> sorry for being away
[10:27] <MikeMc> James is that just test data on the tracker?
[10:27] <jcoxon> i'm not sure
[10:27] <MikeMc> Cos there was no announcement of launch
[10:27] <gordonjcp> MikeMc: woah
[10:28] <gordonjcp> that must have hit a windy spot
[10:28] <MikeMc> lol - yeah
[10:28] <jcoxon> thats all a bit weird
[10:28] <MikeMc> It's currently over Burkina Faso on the Nigerian National Park
[10:28] <MikeMc> this could be a world record
[10:29] <jcoxon> i'll call
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[10:29] <jcoxon> it hasn't launched
[10:30] <MikeMc> altitude says it is on the ground - it's either test data or their balloon escaped
[10:31] <jcoxon> yeah its an old track
[10:31] <jcoxon> we are about 45mins from launch to tell the truth
[10:31] <MikeMc> ok
[10:31] <jcoxon> i'll clear spacenear.us
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[10:32] <edmoore> jcoxon: what's the latest dl-fldigi?
[10:32] <jcoxon> okay refresh spacenear.us
[10:32] <jcoxon> ummm the binaries on the site
[10:33] <jcoxon> we've branched it to start work on v2
[10:33] <jcoxon> so the svn you'd have to grab the old branch
[10:33] <jcoxon> okay on here who is going to be tracking?
[10:34] <jcoxon> MikeMc? SpikeUK? g4bao_ ?
[10:34] <MikeMc> yes
[10:34] <edmoore> jcoxon: we will be tracking
[10:34] <SpikeUK> jcoxon Yeo!
[10:34] <edmoore> we're getting auto-tracker going now
[10:34] <jcoxon> edmoore, oooo that'll be cool
[10:34] <edmoore> looks pretty beasting out on the balconey
[10:34] <edmoore> will upload to flickr
[10:34] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:34] <jcoxon> great
[10:35] <jcoxon> g4bao - you've filled in your lat/lon incorrectly
[10:35] <jcoxon> its got you in germany
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[10:35] <fnoble> hello
[10:35] <MikeMc> Hi
[10:35] <fnoble> up in the 5th floor eng dept getting the track-o-tron ready
[10:35] <jcoxon> MikeMc, we've got a good set of three receivers in london
[10:35] <jcoxon> http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p
[10:36] <MikeMc> set lasers to kill
[10:36] <fnoble> jcoxon: whats the easiest way to get the last good balloon position?
[10:36] <fnoble> to feed into the track-o-tron
[10:36] <jcoxon> fnoble, lucky you
[10:36] <jcoxon> one sec i made rjharrison make away last year
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[10:36] <jcoxon> let me find the page
[10:37] <juxta_> evening all :)
[10:37] <jcoxon> fnoble, http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/lastpos.php
[10:37] <MikeMc> eveving
[10:37] <jcoxon> it should refresh
[10:37] <MikeMc> juxta you've missed the launch
[10:37] <MikeMc> it is already over Africa
[10:37] <juxta_> :O
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[10:37] <MikeMc> See.... http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/map.php?height=1050
[10:39] <edmoore_> jcoxon: kml update script doesn't seem to be working from spacenear.us
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[10:39] <jcoxon> MikeMc, use spacenear.us/tracker
[10:39] <juxta_> MikeMc: map just shows me a single point?
[10:39] <jcoxon> edmoore_, hmmm i'll look into it
[10:40] <fnoble> jcoxon: awesome, thanks
[10:40] <jcoxon> edmoore_, there aren't any points on spacenear.us
[10:40] <jcoxon> i just cleared it
[10:41] <juxta_> how long has the payload been up for?
[10:41] <jcoxon> juxta_ it hasn't
[10:41] <juxta_> oh
[10:41] <juxta_> so I haven't missed anything? :D
[10:42] <jcoxon> nope, nothing yet
[10:43] <MikeMc> juxta I was joking :P
[10:44] <juxta_> heh.. well, who knows, with the timezones ;p
[10:44] <juxta_> so the launch *is* planned for today?
[10:44] <jcoxon> yes they are in the field
[10:44] <jcoxon> juxta_, watch on spacenear.us/tracker
[10:44] <MikeMc> looks like i'm the furthest south so this should be interesting
[10:44] <juxta_> I'm watching :)
[10:45] <jcoxon> MikeMc, but SpikeUK is further from the path
[10:45] <jcoxon> its going to go east
[10:45] <MikeMc> I see
[10:45] <MikeMc> East? So I take it winds are very calm today?
[10:45] <juxta_> spacenear.us doesnt show anything at the moment - the page on robertharrison.org/tracker shows a few positions
[10:46] <jcoxon> juxta_, hmmm i'll get on to that
[10:47] <MikeMc> I don't see SpikeUK on the list
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[10:47] <jcoxon> G8IPN
[10:47] <MikeMc> oh yes
[10:48] <MikeMc> weird - list on left shows him online but on map shows offline
[10:48] <juxta_> I see just chase_rjh on the roberharrison.org page
[10:48] <MikeMc> refresh
[10:49] <jcoxon> oh yes
[10:49] <jcoxon> okay
[10:49] <jcoxon> everyone onto spacenear.us
[10:49] <jcoxon> i can control spacenear.us so can fix anything that goes wrong
[10:49] <jcoxon> all the flight data will get feed into both trackers
[10:49] <jcoxon> chase_rjh is rjharrison's chase car tracker
[10:50] <edmoore_> there seems to be valid strings coming into roberth*.org/listen/view
[10:50] <juxta_> yeah, i figured it was a car
[10:50] <MikeMc> G4BAO: Fix your lat/long pls
[10:50] <juxta_> on sparenear.us I just see an empty world map still
[10:50] <MikeMc> me too
[10:51] <juxta_> alrighty, wasnt sure if it was perhaps my little netbook ;p
[10:51] <jcoxon> edmoore_, i think rharrison has detached the server from the tracker for now
[10:52] <MikeMc> approx. time to launch anyone?
[10:53] <jcoxon> 30mins
[10:54] <juxta_> MikeMc: how many callsigns do you see on the robertharrison page?
[10:56] <MikeMc> altogehter or online?
[10:57] <juxta_> altogether
[10:57] <MikeMc> 23 in total - 8 online
[10:57] <juxta_> hm
[10:57] <juxta_> what URL are you using?
[10:57] <MikeMc> juxta you should try to receive from your location ;)
[10:57] <MikeMc> this one - http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p
[10:57] <juxta_> I see just a page with a map, a video feed, twitter & an irc window
[10:58] <juxta_> ah
[10:58] <juxta_> I see
[10:58] <juxta_> :)
[10:58] <MikeMc> I'm Earthshine
[10:59] <juxta_> alrighty
[10:59] <juxta_> so once the payload gets switched on, we'll see ICARUS appear on the tracker?
[10:59] <MikeMc> yeah
[11:00] <juxta_> sweet :)
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[11:01] <juxta_> wish I were at home on my desktop
[11:01] <juxta_> i might go home now so I can follow this on a 24" screen rather than a 10"
[11:01] <MikeMc> you have about 20 mins
[11:02] <juxta_> netbook can stay on while I drive :D
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[11:03] <MikeMc> Someone is on an AOR8000 out west but hasn't given themselves a callsign
[11:04] <jcoxon> thats junderwood
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[11:05] <MikeMc> k
[11:11] -jcoxon:#highaltitude- Status Update 1: Approx 20mins till Icarus Launch - Just preparing the flight train. Some issues with the trackers - best place to follow will be http://spacenear.us/tracker - more info contact jcoxon
[11:13] <SpikeUK> jcoxon - thanks for update
[11:13] <jcoxon> glad it worked :-)
[11:15] <SpikeUK> made me jump ;-)
[11:19] <jcoxon> ignore the test tracks
[11:19] <jcoxon> i'm checking that its all working
[11:20] <MikeMc> oh
[11:20] <MikeMc> tfft that got me worried for a second
[11:21] <jcoxon> okay so the listener and tracker are working
[11:21] <jcoxon> must mean that XABEN's xml isn't set up right
[11:21] <MikeMc> cool
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[11:24] <jcoxon> as prewarned - launches are never on time
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[11:25] <juxta-> what's atlas?
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[11:25] <jcoxon> atlas is my payload
[11:25] <jcoxon> the tracker is being weird so i just powered it up to make sure its working
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[11:26] <juxta-> ah, righto
[11:26] <juxta-> i only see it on robertharrison.org
[11:27] <jcoxon> i deleted it immediately off spacenear.us
[11:27] <jcoxon> best to watch spacenear.us
[11:27] <jcoxon> as it'll be the 'cleanest' trace
[11:28] <sblomley> Is there #highaltitude_raw_telemetry channel?
[11:28] <juxta-> ah :)
[11:28] <jcoxon> sblomley, http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[11:28] <sblomley> cheers
[11:28] <jcoxon> thats the raw data coming in
[11:31] <edmoore_> jcoxon: eta for working tracker? or is it a pice of string
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[11:32] <jcoxon> it works
[11:32] <jcoxon> well i just ran atlas through and it worked
[11:33] <jcoxon> need to get xaben working
[11:35] <jcoxon> okay icarus is working
[11:36] -jcoxon:#highaltitude- Status Update 2: Icarus Launch imminent - http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[11:36] <MikeMc> eek
[11:37] <bittwist> it is TIME
[11:37] <MikeMc> i could have drove down after all :(
[11:38] Action: MikeMc makes note to self: next time just go anyway just in case
[11:38] <jcoxon> they'll be other launches
[11:38] <MikeMc> yeah
[11:38] <Jon_Apex> im watching :)
[11:38] <MikeMc> this will be good equipment practise for me. Especially as it is such a long way from my location.
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[11:40] <jcoxon> MikeMc, what antenna are you using?
[11:40] <MikeMc> it's a Blackhawk 70cm whip
[11:41] <MikeMc> Is balloon away?
[11:41] <MikeMc> Balloon is up guys
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> woo!
[11:42] <Jon_Apex> good stuff
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> Zoom!
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> 5m/s on the dot.
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> well - ish
[11:43] <MikeMc> no signal from me yet
[11:43] <Jon_Apex> whats on this payload guys?
[11:45] <jcoxon> got it
[11:45] <bittwist> Jon_Apex: one terrified kitten
[11:45] <Jon_Apex> ah right, fair enough
[11:45] <g4bao_> big signal here in waterbeach
[11:45] <bittwist> in other words, i dont know :p
[11:46] <edmoore> got it loud and clear in cambridge
[11:46] Action: SpeedEvil wishes he could get a signal up here.
[11:46] <MikeMc> nothing here yet
[11:46] <SpeedEvil> (without a 30Km antenna)
[11:47] <jcoxon> 434.07325
[11:48] <MikeMc> i think i can hear it
[11:48] <MikeMc> yes it is just starting to come in
[11:49] <MikeMc> Now it's gone again
[11:49] <edmoore> look at the ascent rate. if he's going to 35km, it's going to be tight
[11:50] <SpikeUK> I can hear it, but it's too far down in the noise for fldigi to extract
[11:52] <g4bao_> apart from lat/long, what are the numbers in the telemetry?
[11:52] <MikeMc> i had it (weak) for a while but now it;'s gone again
[11:52] <jcoxon> am now getting very clear telem
[11:53] <edmoore> S9 here
[11:53] <edmoore> as you'd expect though right
[11:53] <jcoxon> hehe
[11:54] <juxta> on a real computer now
[11:55] <jcoxon> rob would like some rough landing predictions - or atleast a place to head towards
[11:55] <jcoxon> which also will have 3g coverage :-)
[11:56] <MikeMc> i keep hearing a weak signal
[11:56] <jcoxon> MikeMc, you should start to be able to decode it
[11:56] <jcoxon> 434.07325
[11:56] <jcoxon> you might need to move your antenna around - even though its omni it still has nulls
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[11:59] <MikeMc> fldigi not deconding anything yet
[11:59] <jcoxon> have you selected icarus?
[12:00] <SpikeUK> USB or LSB jcoxon?
[12:00] <jcoxon> usb
[12:01] <SpikeUK> Thanks! 425Hz shift?
[12:01] <jcoxon> SpikeUK, you should be able to select the payload
[12:02] <jcoxon> go to configure -> operator and then the DLClient tab
[12:02] <jcoxon> select icarus and iti'll autosetup fldigi for you
[12:02] <g4bao_> Interesting multipath on the RTTY here...
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[12:02] <SpikeUK> Done that! Just shift looks a bit less than 425Hz is all
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[12:04] <MikeMc> not a darn thing
[12:05] <juxta> if only I had a yagi the size of a football field..
[12:07] <jcoxon> okay xaben is also up
[12:07] <juxta> hey jcoxon: can you give me a bit of a rundown on how the data is being sent to robertharrison.org? are the decoded sentences being POST'ed somewhere by fldigi, then having checksum verified, etc?
[12:07] <jcoxon> edmoore and gang can see the balloons
[12:07] <jcoxon> juxta, i can - can you wait a bit - need to fix some stuff quickly
[12:07] <juxta> sure thing :)
[12:08] <jcoxon> MikeMc, are you getting a signal?
[12:08] <MikeMc> yes - but nothing is being decoded
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[12:09] <jcoxon> MikeMc, okay how are you setup?
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[12:09] <fnoble> my god it works
[12:09] <fnoble> can actually see the two baloons by sighting along the yagi
[12:09] <fnoble> its pointing directly at them
[12:10] <gordonjcp> fnoble: welcome to the world of foxhunting
[12:10] <jcoxon> gordonjcp, its an auto tracker though :-p
[12:10] <gordonjcp> how does it track?
[12:10] <fnoble> gordonjcp: this is hands free :)
[12:11] <fnoble> takes lates position from the web tracker, does some trig and then outputs an az/el to an antenna rotator
[12:11] <gordonjcp> oh, okay
[12:11] <juxta> fnoble: that's pretty cool
[12:11] <MikeMc> i don't have the 2 decoding lines as in the wiki guide
[12:11] <gordonjcp> that's pretty good
[12:11] <juxta> a buddy of mine built something similar to track a glider he built
[12:12] <juxta> but only upto about 400m in alt
[12:12] <fnoble> do we have anyone listening to steve atm?
[12:12] <fnoble> i can set up a second station
[12:12] <jcoxon> fnoble, i am
[12:12] <jcoxon> just its not logging on to the tracker
[12:12] <jcoxon> but its in view.php
[12:12] <fnoble> oh ok
[12:12] <jcoxon> MikeMc, okay tell me your settings on your radio
[12:13] <fnoble> shame we cant get the trace up
[12:13] <MikeMc> USB
[12:13] <MikeMc> 434.075
[12:13] <MikeMc> I can hear it clearly and I can see that fldigi has the signal - it is just not decoding
[12:13] <juxta> MikeMc: are the red decoding bars lining up?
[12:14] <fnoble> still have visual on both but drifting appart
[12:14] <jcoxon> hmmm i can't work out why xaben isn't going to the tracker
[12:15] <fnoble> what is the freq for steve?
[12:15] <jcoxon> 434.652.25
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[12:18] <MikeMc> downloaded fldigi again - this time it is ecoding but it is jibberish
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[12:19] <jcoxon> MikeMc, okay are the baud rates etc correct?
[12:19] <edmoore> ok, I am logging zaben now
[12:19] <juxta> MikeMc: try the reverse button
[12:20] <MikeMc> reverse button?
[12:20] <gordonjcp> or switch to lsb ;-)
[12:20] <juxta> or that :)
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[12:21] <gordonjcp> MikeMc: silly question, but when you set fldigi for RTTY you *did* line the two tuning lines up with the bright spots in the waterfall?
[12:21] <gordonjcp> didn't you?
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[12:22] <MikeMc> those two lines won't reach both red spots - not wide enough - but yes i've clicked everywhere
[12:22] <gordonjcp> you're in the wrong mode
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[12:22] <MikeMc> i set it exactly as in the guide
[12:22] <juxta> MikeMc: jcoxton put me onto this before
[12:23] <gordonjcp> can you get a screenshot?
[12:23] <juxta> go to op mode -> rtty -> cutom
[12:23] <MikeMc> k
[12:24] <MikeMc> it is on 425, 50, 8 (ascii), none, 1.5
[12:24] <juxta> is icarus using 8bit? or 7bit?
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[12:26] <jcoxon> 8
[12:26] <jcoxon> MikeMc, is you SQL on?
[12:26] <jcoxon> bottom right corner
[12:26] <MikeMc> off
[12:26] <jcoxon> (turn it off)
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[12:28] <edmoore> all - http://flickr.com/cuspaceflight/
[12:28] <edmoore> first 3 photos are of our tracking setup
[12:28] <edmoore> we can see the balloon visually currently
[12:29] <edmoore> 2 distinct bright spots
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> :)
[12:29] <MikeMc> http://www.flickr.com/photos/27078331@N06/4082167723/
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> What sort of setup?
[12:29] <MikeMc> http://www.flickr.com/photos/27078331@N06/4082167767/
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> (opticallY)
[12:30] <fnoble> just stock hardware
[12:30] <fnoble> (eyes)
[12:30] <edmoore> SpeedEvil: naked eye
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> ah
[12:30] <juxta> MikeMc: tried hitting the R/V button? (bottom right)
[12:30] <juxta> Rv*
[12:31] <MikeMc> no difference
[12:31] <MikeMc> WAIT !!
[12:32] <MikeMc> I see the word icarus in amongst the other gobblygook
[12:32] <juxta> once you switch it, it'll take a while for the deocing to catchup
[12:32] <edmoore> jcoxon: i am tracking xaben
[12:32] <edmoore> i have a good feed
[12:32] <edmoore> do you want to put it on the tracker?
[12:32] <MikeMc> ok now i'm getting it
[12:32] <juxta> edmoore: I think jcoxon mentioned difficulty for some reason
[12:33] <jcoxon> edmoore, there is something wrong with the tracker and xaben
[12:33] <MikeMc> So what happend to selecting Icarus would set all teh correct settings for you?
[12:33] <MikeMc> Now i'm getting it - Thanks Juxta
[12:33] <jcoxon> we are both logging it to view.php but its failing some checks
[12:33] <juxta> no worries :)
[12:33] <juxta> MikeMc: Rv reverses the incoming data stream, treats the mark's (1's) as spaces (0's) and vice versa
[12:35] <MikeMc> ok i've switched back to USB and turned RV off now - and the data is coming in
[12:35] <juxta> yeah, if you switch between USB/LSB, that'll do the same thing
[12:35] <g4bao> Still decoding here very close (horizontally) to me
[12:35] <juxta> g4bao: are you in Poland?
[12:36] <MikeMc> gisnal is weak and very noisy though
[12:36] <MikeMc> signal
[12:36] <g4bao> what?
[12:36] <g4bao> according to my map its over Prior fen
[12:36] <jcoxon> MikeMc, move your antenna around
[12:37] <jcoxon> you'll find a stronger signal
[12:37] <juxta> wait, sorry, the maps shows you as in Germany g4bao
[12:37] <g4bao> probably put the wrong lat long in then...
[12:37] <juxta> haha
[12:38] <g4bao> put degrees instead of minutes in the Long...
[12:38] <Jon_Apex> can see both balloons from here at Selwyn
[12:39] <Jon_Apex> been sitting on the grass outside watching then
[12:39] <Jon_Apex> *them
[12:39] <juxta> hmm, the CUSF predictor seems to suggest icarus will land in the ocean?
[12:39] <MikeMc> at 20,000m ?
[12:39] <jcoxon> juxta, have you put in the correct ascent rate?
[12:40] <juxta> whoops, my mistake
[12:40] <juxta> put in 5m/s and now it shows somewhere very close to the coast
[12:40] <jcoxon> what alt?
[12:40] <juxta> 35000
[12:40] <fnoble> natrium42: would you mind if i had a quick go at adding in the predictor?
[12:40] <juxta> I don't know what to figure for decsent rate though
[12:41] <fnoble> ill copy the files i modify
[12:41] <fnoble> if you think its a bad idea then thats fine
[12:41] <Jon_Apex> edmoore: can you still see the balloons with naked eye?
[12:41] <jcoxon> juxta, it won't go that high
[12:41] <fnoble> Jon_Apex: yeah we can
[12:42] <Jon_Apex> fnoble: me too from Selwyn
[12:42] <juxta> jcoxon: oh, right - what are you figuring the alt as?
[12:42] <fnoble> oh awesome
[12:42] <Jon_Apex> dont have a radio/ant to listen though :(
[12:42] <fnoble> Jon_Apex: want to come down to the eng dept?
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[12:42] <Jon_Apex> fnoble: are you there tracking at the moment?
[12:42] <fnoble> yup
[12:43] <edmoore> you have to bring snacks
[12:43] <fnoble> bring food
[12:43] <edmoore> we are hungry
[12:43] <Jon_Apex> fnoble: okay, ill be theresoon
[12:43] <jcoxon> finally
[12:43] <jcoxon> fixed the bastard
[12:43] <fnoble> awesome
[12:43] <Jon_Apex> aha, xaben appears
[12:43] <jcoxon> sorry for my language
[12:43] <edmoore> yay!
[12:43] <juxta> sweet, they're very close - where they launched at the same time?
[12:44] <juxta> were*
[12:44] <fnoble> approximately
[12:44] <fnoble> they were even closer together before
[12:44] Action: MikeMc is dissapointed the signal is so weak
[12:44] <juxta> fnoble: are you guys students at Cambridge?
[12:44] <juxta> MikeMc: how far away are you?
[12:44] <fnoble> yeah
[12:45] <juxta> pretty cool project :)
[12:45] <fnoble> juxta: me, edmoore, Jon_Apex and Randomskk are from CUSF
[12:45] <juxta> not rjh?
[12:45] <jcoxon> MikeMc, its your ant
[12:45] <MikeMc> juxta: maybe 100 miles
[12:45] <Jon_Apex> fnoble: see you in 10 minutes!
[12:45] <juxta> MikeMc: 100 miles on a whip is pretty good!
[12:46] <MikeMc> it's indoors also which doesn't help
[12:46] <jcoxon> MikeMc, worth making a moxon or yagi
[12:46] <jcoxon> moxons are easy out of a coathanger
[12:46] <jcoxon> nd some coax
[12:46] <juxta> I wouldnt have thought you would even get 30 miles from a whip, so I'm impressed
[12:47] <MikeMc> i also have a constant whistle with teh signal
[12:47] <MikeMc> not sure if that is normal or not
[12:47] <jcoxon> MikeMc, why don't you try out listen fo XABEN
[12:47] <jcoxon> on 434.652
[12:47] <jcoxon> see if thats better
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[12:47] <jcoxon> you'll need to select it in the DLclient tab to set it all up
[12:48] <edmoore> just got a grumpogram from a ham about using .650Mhz
[12:48] <juxta> edmoore: someone complaining?
[12:48] <MikeMc> i can't get Xaben at all
[12:50] <edmoore> juxta: just warning that it might complain
[12:50] <edmoore> ok, predicted landing site, assuming burst at 33km: 52.2761, 1.55577
[12:51] <juxta> edmoore: it's an open frequency though in the UK, right?
[12:51] <jcoxon> xaben is set to cutdown at 30km
[12:52] <edmoore> yeah, it's not a legality issue
[12:52] <edmoore> just concern it might cause interference
[12:52] <juxta> just a courtesy thing I guess
[12:52] <juxta> oh, righto
[12:52] <MikeMc> signal is getting weaker
[12:53] <MikeMc> How come Xaben is higher than Icarus?
[12:53] <juxta> MikeMc: I thinkg Xaben was launched first
[12:53] <MikeMc> oh
[12:53] <MikeMc> i thought it was 2nd
[12:53] <juxta> I don't know, i might be wrong :)
[12:53] <juxta> but it has a higher asc rate anyway
[12:54] <g4bao> I still appear to be in Germany despite resetting my Lat/Long?
[12:54] <juxta> jcoxon: why the 30km cutdown on xaben? it's almost there already...
[12:55] <edmoore> can still see both of them with the naked eye from cambridge
[12:55] <juxta> wow, impressive edmoore - what kind of signal strength are you guys getting?
[12:56] <SpikeUK> g4bao I think it will reset the first time the s/w send status mess to server - or you close and restart
[12:56] <edmoore> s7 on xaben with an ft817, s9 on icarus with an ic-7000 with pre-amp
[12:56] <jcoxon> edmoore, tis going well
[12:56] <edmoore> and with a yagi on icaurs, whip on xaben
[12:56] <jcoxon> steve just pyro'd i think
[12:57] <jcoxon> but i'm not sure it works
[12:57] <jcoxon> worked*
[12:57] <fnoble> she's about to blow
[12:57] <fnoble> or not?
[12:57] <juxta> jcoxon: why is xaben cutting down at 30km?
[12:57] <edmoore> i think it's cutdown
[12:57] <edmoore> fading in and out
[12:57] <fnoble> yey!
[12:57] <edmoore> yep, xaben cutdown
[12:57] <edmoore> audible confirmation and gps alt confirms
[12:58] <MikeMc> yep it's dropping
[12:58] <edmoore> roughly 0.6hz spin
[12:58] <naxxfish> at 10.8m/s? :D
[12:58] <edmoore> -50m/s currently
[12:58] <juxta> edmoore: do you have a gyro onboard or something?
[12:58] <edmoore> no, i can hear it by eye
[12:58] <edmoore> ear*
[12:58] <edmoore> the signal is fading in and out
[12:58] <bittwist> nice eyes
[12:58] <juxta> ah right, fading in and out?
[12:59] <edmoore> it's just gone 5km in about 1.5 mins
[12:59] <MikeMc> why is that Atlas still on the map?
[12:59] <edmoore> refresh MikeMc
[13:00] <MikeMc> I did and it's still showing
[13:00] <Nickle> When is Icarus scheduled to cut down?
[13:00] <jcoxon> steve would like some predicition sites
[13:00] <edmoore> am on it
[13:00] <jcoxon> Nickle, its not :-p
[13:00] <jcoxon> its going to burst
[13:00] <Nickle> Ok.
[13:01] <jcoxon> i hope xaben clears bury st edmunds
[13:01] <juxta> xaben is decending at 1m/s? that seems pretty slow...
[13:01] <naxxfish> maybe it got stuck on a cloud
[13:02] <MikeMc> looks like it is heading right for BSE
[13:02] <jcoxon> nah thats a mistake with the calculation
[13:02] <juxta> ah righto
[13:02] <edmoore> XABEN landing prediction 52.2451, 0.878639
[13:03] <rharrison_eee1> hey all
[13:03] <rharrison_eee1> dont forget
[13:03] <juxta> edmoore: how do you guys run predictions mid flight? using the same data/routines as in the CUSF predictor?
[13:03] <rharrison_eee1> www.robertharrison.org/mobile
[13:03] <rharrison_eee1> some extra info on there
[13:03] <MikeMc> not found
[13:03] <juxta> rharrison_eee1: 404?
[13:03] <edmoore> juxta: yes
[13:03] <rharrison_eee1> Parked up
[13:04] <rharrison_eee1> opps .php
[13:04] <juxta> http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php
[13:04] <MikeMc> cool
[13:05] <fnoble> jcoxon: oh dear
[13:05] <juxta> edmoore: is the CUSF predictor open source?
[13:05] <fnoble> now that xhaben is coming up its occasionally stuffing xhaben strings into the track-o-tron
[13:05] <fnoble> juxta: yes
[13:05] <edmoore> juxta: cuspaceflight.co.uk/websvn
[13:05] <juxta> I love you guys :D
[13:06] <fnoble> juxta: you will actually want to look at the wiki as well cuspaceflight.co.uk/wiki
[13:06] <rharrison_eee1> How many listeners are there?
[13:06] <fnoble> juxta: its a bit in the lurch at the moment
[13:06] <fnoble> the old version was a bit of a hack and the new shiny version isnt quite ready yet
[13:06] <jcoxon> edmoore, you getting clear xaben?
[13:06] <jcoxon> i'm losing it
[13:06] <edmoore> jcoxon: yes
[13:06] <edmoore> v loud
[13:06] <jcoxon> okay i'll switch back to icarus
[13:06] <fnoble> but its being worked on quite actively
[13:06] <edmoore> ok
[13:07] <fnoble> jcoxon: any ideas on how to stop xhaben strings getting to lastpos?
[13:08] <juxta> fnoble: awesome - i don't suppose you'd know by default what time zone the times on the predictor are? are they GMT? I ask as I'm +10:30, would be prudent to check with the right times when I launch :)
[13:08] <jcoxon> fnoble, give me 1 min
[13:09] <fnoble> juxta: its all GMT
[13:09] <MikeMc> picking up Xaben - sounds like it's spinning fast
[13:10] <MikeMc> Well it's obviously going to clear Bury St. Edmunds
[13:11] <jcoxon> i think i may have sent steve in the wrong direction :-(
[13:11] <g4bao> icarus very strong now lower elevation from me now
[13:11] <MikeMc> i'm barley picking up Icarus now
[13:11] <g4bao> verticals not too good overhead!
[13:11] <MikeMc> *barely
[13:11] <juxta> thanks fnoble :)
[13:11] <jcoxon> oooo doug is listening in
[13:12] <naxxfish> how high do you expect icarus will go?
[13:12] <fnoble> why isnt he here then? :)
[13:12] <fnoble> next feature for dl-fldigi - private messages
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[13:14] <MikeMc> Is ICarus spinning?
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> Most balloons spin somewhat.
[13:14] <Nickle> Pop!
[13:14] <MikeMc> yep icarus has burst
[13:15] <fnoble> burst confirmed
[13:15] <SpikeUK> That's not spinning that's tumbling too!
[13:15] <jcoxon> fnoble, i can't do it in time
[13:16] <jcoxon> something to be fixed for next time
[13:16] <fnoble> jcoxon: dont worry
[13:16] <gordonjcp> could you pass the messages over the balloon?
[13:16] <fnoble> xhaben will be down soon enough
[13:16] <gordonjcp> balloon-flown digipeater ;-)
[13:16] <jcoxon> wow icarus is spinning
[13:16] <g4bao> look at that Spin modulation on the signal! :-)
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[13:17] <MikeMc> frequency is getting higher
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[13:17] <jcoxon> djellison, here for the end then :-)
[13:17] <djellison> I'm getting it loud and clear with a dual band monopole from Leicester :)
[13:17] <djellison> fldigi doing it's thing perfectly
[13:18] <jcoxon> xaben isn't looking like its going a good direction
[13:18] <edmoore> Xaben still strong here
[13:18] <djellison> $$icarus,739,13:17:42,52.246511,0.887431,23043,25.37,109.2,5.2,-45.5*1E :)
[13:18] <edmoore> 6km
[13:18] <juxta> looks like xaben is headed straight for Bury St Edmunds
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[13:18] <MikeMc> it's already past BSE
[13:18] <MikeMc> oh
[13:18] <MikeMc> wrong balloon
[13:19] <MikeMc> yeah looks like it might land E side of BSE
[13:19] <jcoxon> parachute will kick in a bit more
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[13:19] <jcoxon> i can't decode any icarus right now
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> I make it comfortably in
[13:20] <juxta> what kind of descent rate do you figure once it reaches real air jcoxon?
[13:20] <MikeMc> it's a very slow descent rate
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> on land that is
[13:20] <djellison> Icarus has just started crapping out here
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> Assuming a 5m/s or so descent
[13:20] <edmoore> juxta: we try and aim for 5m/s at sea level
[13:20] <MikeMc> -51 Degrees C - Ouch!
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> I'm experimenting ATM with no heating and wearing jumpers.
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> 10.5C in the lounge.
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> -51 is ratehr cooler tho.
[13:21] <juxta> only -5 in the payload though
[13:21] <juxta> not too bad
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> It also encourages me to go out and do stuff, as it's not that much colder outside.
[13:22] <MikeMc> lol
[13:22] <juxta> edmoore: are you still getting xaben from Cmbridge?
[13:22] <MikeMc> Xaben should clear BSE comfortably I think
[13:22] <juxta> Cambridge*
[13:22] <djellison> Listening to Xaben from leicester now.
[13:22] <edmoore> can you hear it djellison ?
[13:22] <djellison> $$XABEN,376,13:22:33,52.24789,0.71711,3631,0.0,0.0,Camera Off 35"21 (yes)
[13:22] <edmoore> juxta: yes
[13:23] <edmoore> no errors yet
[13:23] <jcoxon> djellison, you are getting good data
[13:23] <edmoore> but it's getting low
[13:23] <juxta> nice
[13:23] <djellison> That's my very first string from Leicester
[13:23] <juxta> what alt do you think you'll lose it edmoore?
[13:23] <jcoxon> i have to admit the distributed listener when it works is amazing
[13:23] <juxta> yeah, this is awesome
[13:23] <djellison> It's corrupting a bit now though
[13:24] <MikeMc> Xaben has just dropped 2000m in a short time
[13:24] <edmoore> i am getting some tune-up corruption
[13:24] <edmoore> i loose maybe the first 2 chars
[13:24] <jcoxon> sql on?
[13:24] <edmoore> nope
[13:24] <edmoore> it's fine 60% of the time currently
[13:24] <jcoxon> ed - 47!
[13:25] <jcoxon> and only one repeat and one bot
[13:25] <juxta> are any chase cars near xaben?
[13:25] <djellison> I can hear Icarus with handi+arrow.
[13:25] <jcoxon> yes they both are
[13:25] <djellison> I may move upstairs and try 817+handi to carry on picking up Icarus
[13:25] <juxta> ah right, so no chance of getting lost then
[13:26] <MikeMc> will Xben clear that industrial unit? EEK!
[13:26] <juxta> of it* getting lost
[13:26] <edmoore> juxta: don't speak too soon!
[13:26] <edmoore> sometimes they have a hard landing and power off
[13:26] <juxta> ..hopefully no chance ;)
[13:26] <jcoxon> between the railway and the a14!
[13:26] <MikeMc> looking good so far
[13:27] <juxta> what are the chase cars callsigns? or are they not in view.php?
[13:27] <MikeMc> huge forest east though
[13:27] <MikeMc> and an airfield
[13:27] <jcoxon> juxta, they aren't - thats something we'll add soon
[13:27] <MikeMc> looks like a landing on top of a tree i reckon
[13:27] <djellison> Got icarus back on the monopole
[13:28] <jcoxon> djellison, whip?
[13:28] <MikeMc> icarus is spinning
[13:28] <djellison> Nahh - a Moonraker dual band monopole. £49 :)
[13:28] <jcoxon> hehe you and your fancy tech
[13:28] <djellison> It's about 3m off the ground
[13:28] <djellison> The antenna - not the balloon
[13:28] <jcoxon> hehe
[13:29] <djellison> Getting 8224m
[13:29] <MikeMc> Uhoh - Heading towards Thurston now
[13:30] <juxta> who's still tracking xaben? i'm surprised data is still comign in given the alt..
[13:30] <MikeMc> the chase car probably
[13:31] <jcoxon> both ed and steve are
[13:31] <MikeMc> should land in that field S of the railway line
[13:31] <jcoxon> while fergus and rob are providing icarus
[13:31] <Nickle> Looks like you missed the slurry pits!
[13:32] <MikeMc> uhoh!
[13:32] <juxta> this tracking has worked amazingly
[13:32] <djellison> Pleased I managed to get my act together to catch some of it.
[13:32] <g4bao> lost Xaben
[13:32] <juxta> I'm so envious of you guys with 3G coverage all over the place, tracking mine is going to be a pain
[13:32] <MikeMc> I think Xaben is down
[13:33] <jcoxon> G8KHW : XABEN,404,13:31:52,52.2<Z7,0.79386,205,0.0,0.0,>81;3;1*51
[13:33] <MikeMc> looks like it landed nicely in that field
[13:33] <jcoxon> juxta, you can pull it off with one base station
[13:33] <jcoxon> but a few well placed listeners and it'll work great for you
[13:33] <juxta> :)
[13:34] <edmoore> i've lost xaben
[13:34] Action: jcoxon hopes that it landed before the railway
[13:34] <juxta> jcoxon: I'll have to pick your brains as to what dl-fldigi does with the data :)
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[13:34] <MikeMc> Icaarus dangerously clsoe to teh sea
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> just past the b1113?
[13:35] <jcoxon> juxta, of course - its pretty simple and is open for anyone to use
[13:35] <juxta> i think there's no worry about icarus going in the sea MikeMc, looke like 20+ miles away?
[13:35] <juxta> jcoxon: same for the tracker code?
[13:35] <jcoxon> juxta, yup
[13:36] <jcoxon> ideally the best thing is for you to use out setup
[13:36] <jcoxon> our*
[13:36] <juxta> yeah
[13:36] <juxta> wow, i'm very impressed
[13:36] <jcoxon> just provide a telem string before hand and we'll add you payload to the list
[13:36] <juxta> that you guys share it all :)
[13:36] <jcoxon> then if you feed data in with dl-fldigi it'll go onto the map
[13:36] <MikeMc> Looks like Robert is trying to find a road that heads North
[13:37] <edmoore> icarus S5 from cambridge
[13:37] <Nickle> The tracker for xaben is still showing movement? Are the extrapolated?
[13:37] <edmoore> Shouldn't be
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> no, it's real
[13:38] <edmoore> it may just be slightly behind
[13:38] <MikeMc> they need to get onto the B1113
[13:38] <edmoore> as a decoder i had the raw data coming in live
[13:38] <jcoxon> ed what was your last xaben string
[13:38] <edmoore> may take a small amount of time to propagate through to the map
[13:38] <juxta> jcoxon: what's the probability check on view.php? making sure the coordinates don't jump to something totally wrong somehow?
[13:38] <g4bao> lost Icarus
[13:38] <edmoore> last good one was 52.24477, 0.58218, 414
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> juxta: yes
[13:39] <jcoxon> edmoore, any bad ones?
[13:39] <Nickle> OK. I've worked it out. It's lagged that's all
[13:39] <juxta> shouldn't the checksum hopefully take care of that? or incase the payload gets a bad fix?
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> But even at 480m - that's a damn fine altitude.
[13:39] <MikeMc> I hope Icarus doesn't land in what looks like a private estate there
[13:39] <g4bao> My last XABEN,603,13:31:33,52.24937,0.79230,294,0.0,0.0,6;5;1;1*53
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> (minimum
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> As is 294 for xaben
[13:39] <edmoore> that's better than my last one
[13:40] <jcoxon> now we wait...
[13:40] <MikeMc> whoever is navigating for RJ needs to be fired
[13:40] <MikeMc> lol
[13:40] <g4bao> and my last icarus,815,13:37:20,52.253721,1.011526,822,26.85,078.7,-7.0,0.0*2F
[13:41] <MikeMc> should have stayed on the A1308 and came off to turn L onto the B1113
[13:41] <MikeMc> Icarus must be down
[13:41] <g4bao> Really enjoyed that folks, I could get interested in this! Thanks to all organisers 73 www.g4bao.com
[13:41] <MikeMc> and it looks like it may have landed in that private estate
[13:42] <jcoxon> g4bao, no problem - sign up to the ukhas mailing list so we can keep you informed of flights
[13:42] <jcoxon> http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas
[13:43] <MikeMc> Edmoores original prediciation for Xaben was pretty close
[13:44] <jcoxon> icarus max alt: 32138, xaben max alt: 30024 (cutdown)
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[13:45] <MikeMc> Why did Xaben get cutdown and not burst?
[13:46] <jcoxon> steve didn't want it going to far so he had a preset cutdown for 30km
[13:46] <juxta> how high would it have gone?
[13:46] <jcoxon> i'm not sure what balloon size
[13:46] <MikeMc> Weird - the chase car seems to have stopped
[13:47] <jcoxon> if the same as icarus then probably slightly lower (as it had a faster ascent rate)
[13:47] <juxta> I spoke to kaymont the other day, they reckon a KCL-1200 should hit over 33km with a ~1kg payload - does that sound about right?
[13:47] <jcoxon> yeah
[13:47] <edmoore> rob is near it
[13:47] <juxta> not bad :D
[13:48] <jcoxon> depends on your ascentarate (as this is related to your helium volume)
[13:48] <juxta> by the way - how much does helium cost in the UK?
[13:48] <juxta> it's really really expensive here :(
[13:48] <MikeMc> same here
[13:49] <juxta> about 250AUD (~140GBP) for ~3m^3
[13:49] <MikeMc> OK I see the car on the move again. I am guessing they had to stop on a level crossing for a train
[13:49] <jcoxon> good old stowmarket
[13:49] <jcoxon> poor suffolk has been bombared by payloads now for a good few years
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[13:49] <Nickle> So what about hydrogen apart from the obvious dangers?
[13:50] <juxta> hydrogen is much cheaper here - $90 (50GBP), so I'm considering it
[13:50] <edmoore> that's really the reason - the obvious dangers
[13:50] <juxta> do you guys use a regulator when filling? or just from the tank into the balloon with a hose of some description?
[13:50] <edmoore> regulator
[13:51] <edmoore> though some guys in the states do it from the bottle direct
[13:51] <edmoore> not a bad idea
[13:51] <juxta> He regulators are cheap, H2 regulators are outrageously expensive
[13:51] <juxta> (here at least)
[13:51] <juxta> $20 for a He regulator, $400 for a H2 regulator...
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[13:52] <MikeMc> I bet that Icarus landed in that estate with the swimming pool and is up a tree
[13:52] <jcoxon> what will happen is that when rob gets near and decodes a string it'll update the map
[13:54] <MikeMc> like that
[13:54] <juxta> is it only possible to join the mailing list with a gmail account?
[13:54] <MikeMc> it's in that estate
[13:54] <juxta> gmail/google account
[13:55] <djellison1> I think it'll be just short of the estate - or in the trees on the west edge of it.
[13:56] <jcoxon> its updated
[13:56] <djellison1> There's a pylon through that field - finders crossed.
[13:56] <jcoxon> just clear of the road
[13:56] <jcoxon> on the edge
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[13:57] <MikeMc> hopefully
[13:57] <MikeMc> he's close now
[13:58] <MikeMc> looks like it is up a tree edge of road
[13:58] <jcoxon> i think is on the ground
[13:58] <jcoxon> that area is about 65m above sea level
[13:59] <MikeMc> k
[13:59] <juxta> altitude resolution on the lassen IQ is about +/- 10m though
[13:59] <MikeMc> shame google maps doesn't have a topo layer
[14:00] <djellison1> IT sort of does - it'll tell you the altitude of wherever you are next to the lat long
[14:00] <djellison1> I'm getting 64-65 m there
[14:00] <MikeMc> I wonder why the car seems to have stopped
[14:01] <MikeMc> i'm still betting on an up the tree landing
[14:01] <MikeMc> so what was that? 3 hour flight?
[14:03] <edmoore> djellison1: can you hear it?
[14:04] <MikeMc> Any reports about Xaben?
[14:04] <jcoxon> i haven't heard anything
[14:05] <MikeMc> the last altitude of the chase car was within a metre of the balloon so I guess you are right James
[14:06] <juxta> what was xaben carrying?
[14:06] <jcoxon> cameras i think
[14:06] <MikeMc> Two rats - in tiny pressure suits
[14:06] <juxta> heh
[14:07] <MikeMc> the suspense is killing me - i'm going to go make a cuppa
[14:13] <djellison1> I heard Xaben down to 3000 ishM. I lost Icarus at about 8km
[14:14] <MikeMc> i could still hear ICarus at about 1500m but it was weak and fldigi wasn't able to decode
[14:14] <MikeMc> and considering my location and indoor antenna that's pretty impressive
[14:15] <djellison1> Where are you Mike?
[14:15] <MikeMc> I must make a Yagi though or fit an external antenna
[14:15] <MikeMc> Orpington, Kent
[14:15] <djellison1> That's 120km or so. Good result!
[14:15] <MikeMc> yeah - with a better aerial should get good results
[14:16] <djellison1> 150km here. Please how loud it was
[14:16] <juxta> I'm amazed that you can go 120km on a whip
[14:16] <juxta> this is at 10mW of Tx power, right?
[14:16] <djellison1> Anyone with an 817 and a monopole who works repeaters etc would be able to pick up these payloads - it's just a case of letting them know and getting them onboard.
[14:17] <MikeMc> like i say - i couldn't decode it - very noisy - but audibly i could stsill hear the RTTY
[14:17] <MikeMc> yes it's 10mW
[14:18] <juxta> wow, that's amazing :)
[14:18] <juxta> and I have a 25mW NTX2 :D
[14:18] <MikeMc> you'll get may hundreds of km with that
[14:18] <MikeMc> *many
[14:18] <djellison1> Is 25mW legal?
[14:18] <jcoxon> xaben recovered
[14:18] <juxta> it is where I live :)
[14:18] <djellison1> Ahh - the free world.
[14:18] <fnoble> talking to rob - its 10m up a spikey rose tree
[14:19] <juxta> fnoble: icarus that is?
[14:19] <djellison1> Tell him to shut up, stop moaning, and start climbing :)
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> Take a chainsaw.
[14:19] <djellison1> OR launch another balloon on the off chance it'll land in the same tree, and knock it out.
[14:19] <fnoble> juxta: yup
[14:19] <MikeMc> told you :D
[14:19] <jcoxon> yeah xaben was recovered by the railway line and is safely in steve's hands
[14:19] <juxta> heh.. that's unfortunate ;p
[14:19] <djellison1> You win Mike. You win the chance to climb the tree and get it.
[14:20] <MikeMc> :P
[14:20] <MikeMc> does he have a grappling hook and rope?
[14:20] <jcoxon> damn tress
[14:20] <jcoxon> trees*
[14:20] <sblomley> Or are there any anglers near by?
[14:20] <jcoxon> all teh good payloads get stuck
[14:20] <edmoore> rob just called
[14:20] <djellison1> stuck....or sheep.
[14:21] <juxta> at least you guys don't have to contend with the roads that I will
[14:21] <edmoore> looking at trying to maybe attach a hot thing to the end of a big stick and melt through the lylon line
[14:21] <djellison1> Where are you Juxta?
[14:21] <juxta> Australia - depending on where I land, I may have a 5km walk to get the thing :P
[14:21] <MikeMc> a fishing rod with weight and hook sounds a good idea
[14:21] <juxta> (5km to nearest road)
[14:21] <MikeMc> cast it over the object
[14:22] <djellison1> Use a frick laser
[14:22] <juxta> edmoore: soldering iron on a broom handle? :D
[14:22] <djellison1> frickin laser, even
[14:22] <MikeMc> Juxta: fit the payload with wheels and make it an RC car
[14:22] <naxxfish> MikeMc: you're in Kent - you know of anyone doing a launch down here?
[14:22] <djellison1> Aus - that's got to be a NICE balloon playground
[14:22] <juxta> djellison1: we have plenty of space, that's for sure :)
[14:22] <MikeMc> Well i'd like to do a launch myself but from what I gather obtaining permission from the authorities would be almost impossible
[14:23] <juxta> djellison1: just comms sucks - no net access out anywhere really, maybe GPRS (>56k) if I'm lucky :P
[14:23] <MikeMc> sounds like it would be more practical to go to EARS or CUSF
[14:23] <edmoore> jcoxon: we're going to browns
[14:23] <edmoore> call me if you need anything
[14:23] <naxxfish> MikeMc: I'm looking into doing it with my society at Uni of Kent, might make matters a bit easier
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[14:23] <djellison1> Flying from Kent might not be ideal with winds etc
[14:23] <djellison1> Most of the time - I think you woudl end up in Belgium.
[14:23] <naxxfish> no - it'd likely go into the north sea
[14:23] <MikeMc> yeah - pretty close to teh sea here too really
[14:24] <naxxfish> i think we could probably fly from tunbridge wells
[14:24] <naxxfish> we'd *need* cutdown though
[14:24] <djellison1> SNowdon....all flights should start in snowdon :)
[14:24] <MikeMc> Well i'd be interested to hear if you get permission for hat
[14:24] <djellison1> Think of the range to the horizon for radio :)
[14:24] <juxta> djellison1: this is where I live: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Adelaide&ie=UTF8&z=14&iwloc=addr
[14:24] <MikeMc> i'd love to do a Kent launch if the winds would take it North or West
[14:25] <naxxfish> MikeMc: i'll put it on the list if we get anywhere with it
[14:25] <MikeMc> cool
[14:25] <MikeMc> juxta: you're pretty close to teh sea too
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[14:25] <juxta> MikeMc: about 30 seconds walk from my house ;p
[14:26] <MikeMc> nice
[14:26] <djellison1> And the Adelaide street circuit. Great racing.
[14:26] <juxta> haha
[14:26] <juxta> you've seen the Clipsal 500 djellison1?
[14:26] <juxta> or do you mean the old F1 track?
[14:26] <MikeMc> i just zoomed in on a huge expanse of nothingness in the middle of Oz and found a cemetery
[14:26] <djellison1> THe old F1 track :)
[14:27] <djellison1> BUt I've watched some Aussie V8 racing as well
[14:27] <juxta> the F1 track was great
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[14:27] <juxta> V8 racing... I'm not such a fan
[14:27] <juxta> the crowd it draws is erm... questionable
[14:28] <juxta> I can launch from this field
[14:28] <juxta> -35.127455, 138.847876
[14:28] <juxta> but I'm worried that won't give me enough buffer from the populated areas to the west
[14:29] <jcoxon> right thats me done for the day
[14:30] <djellison1> Thanks for the heads up earlier JC. Glad I finally got some RTTY properly!
[14:30] <MikeMc> yeah me too (in the end)
[14:31] <MikeMc> at least i know now that i need a muchy more sensitive antenna
[14:33] <jcoxon> djellison1, no worries - the more people tracking the better
[14:34] <jcoxon> i'm making progress with my next flight so that should be in a few weeks
[14:34] <jcoxon> MikeMc, there are some simple antennas that can be made
[14:34] <jcoxon> just need a bnc cable, some coax so you can put it outside
[14:34] <jcoxon> bnc connector*
[14:34] <jcoxon> and then either coat hangers for a moxon
[14:34] <jcoxon> or a bit more owrk and make a yagi
[14:34] <juxta> jcoxon: what cable do you use?
[14:35] <jcoxon> e.g. http://www.moxonantennaproject.com/sm5jab/sm5jab_2.htm
[14:35] <juxta> my local shop only has RG58 - is the loss too high for 70cm?
[14:35] <naxxfish> where do you get a NXT2 from? I looked on farnell and they're out of stock ...
[14:35] <jcoxon> naxxfish, direct from radiometrix
[14:35] <jcoxon> juxta, thats what i'm using
[14:36] <naxxfish> jcoxon: oh, didn't realise they sold them direct
[14:36] <MikeMc> yeah and cheaper too
[14:36] <juxta> jcoxon: no hassles? i saw some hams online warning against RG58 for 70cm due to the losses involved, so I was unsure.
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[14:36] <juxta> dunno where I could get RG8 here
[14:37] <jcoxon> juxta, its not amazing but i think it'll do
[14:37] <juxta> alrighty :)
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[14:40] <naxxfish> hmm, can't see NTX2 on their list of products ... think they're out of stock?
[14:41] <naxxfish> oh look, i can probably blag it through uni ...
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[14:41] <jcoxon> oh its there but you can't use their webshop
[14:41] <jcoxon> you'll need to email sales
[14:41] <naxxfish> ahh okay
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[14:53] Action: naxxfish does the cusp flight prediction
[14:53] <naxxfish> yeah, if I were to do a launch from canterbury, it'd end up in belgium :p
[14:54] <naxxfish> probably
[14:55] <naxxfish> if it only went 10km up though, it might stay on land XD
[14:59] <rharrison_eee1> stuck in tree atm
[14:59] <naxxfish> payload eating trees :)
[15:01] <Egelmex> om nom nom
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[15:18] <naxxfish> OK, the south east is officially a bad place to launch from XD
[15:20] <naxxfish> the only way it's going to land in east Kent is if we launch from Reading - and Heathrow is in the way >_<
[15:30] <rharrison_eee1> payload recovered
[15:32] <naxxfish> yay ! :D
[15:43] <naxxfish> what's balloon Cd?
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[15:45] <edmoore> recovered
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:46] Action: SpeedEvil is recovering from hosing off the shed.
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[15:51] <Jon_Apex> fnoble: are you there tracking at the mo///£
[15:52] <Jon_Apex> 5
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[16:01] <naxxfish> ooh, Cd is drag
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[16:07] <jcoxon> Jon_Apex, tracking is over :-p
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[17:05] <MikeMc> well done rjharrison
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
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[17:30] <edmoore> Yo
[17:30] <edmoore> In pub with fergus and iain
[17:30] <MikeMc> yo
[17:31] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[17:31] <edmoore> What's the latest?
[17:31] <jcoxon> all recovered
[17:32] <edmoore> Got as far as that :)
[17:34] <jcoxon> thats it really
[17:34] <jcoxon> due to various sponsers i'm not sure how much picture stuff we'll get
[17:38] <MikeMc> What do you mean by that?
[17:39] <jcoxon> rjharrison 's launch was for the sun newspaper - so they'll hold on to the images for a bit till they publish them
[17:40] <MikeMc> Oh - I thougt that was the record attempt launch
[17:40] <MikeMc> not this one
[17:47] <jcoxon> hmmm i need to stop trying to fix this ibook
[17:47] <jcoxon> the error is so incredibly annoying that i've become obsessed in solving it
[17:47] <edmoore> What's wro g with it?
[17:48] <jcoxon> its my old ibook which i did a logic board transplant
[17:48] <jcoxon> if you leave it for a period of time it just starts doing random key presses
[17:48] <jcoxon> which clogs up the cpu so you can't do anything
[17:49] <edmoore> Put linuxon it
[17:50] <MikeMc> Have you tried a reinstall of OSX?
[17:51] <edmoore> Yeah good IDE
[17:51] <edmoore> Idea
[17:51] <jcoxon> yup reinstall osx
[17:51] <edmoore> James isn't very good at Linux anyway
[17:52] <edmoore> Not sure I could deal with the support calls
[17:52] <jcoxon> haha
[17:52] <jcoxon> mmmmm linux
[17:53] <jcoxon> maybe that is the solution
[17:53] <jcoxon> damn ibooks
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> My first cut would be to unplug the keyboard
[17:53] <SpeedEvil> and see if it still does it
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> if it does, it's a motherboard problem
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[17:57] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, done that a while ago
[17:57] <jcoxon> seem to remember it still happened
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> I would then try - if software diddn't fix it - a cleaning. Rinse in hot detergenty water, jetting water under any chips, rinse in hot distilled water, then dry in oven at 80C for a day.
[18:00] <MikeMc> it might be some kind of greasy deposits - sandblast the MB
[18:01] <jcoxon> i really do love this laptop
[18:02] <jcoxon> really i just need to dump it in a cupboard
[18:02] <jcoxon> right i'm trying it again without a keyboard
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> minor spills will be fixed by the above.
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> Water is not actually harmful to most electronics. As long as they are not powered.
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> Of course, you need to completely dismantle the laptop first.
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> As connectors shouldn't be done like this
[18:05] <jcoxon> hehe the one thing that i forgot to say is that its a 12" laptop with a 14" motherboard :-p
[18:05] <jcoxon> i did a transplant/upgrade
[18:05] <jcoxon> hence why i'm not suprised it has errors - but this error is just annoying
[18:05] Action: SpeedEvil loves his x60s
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> does it happen when you twist/press on the case?
[18:05] <jcoxon> no
[18:09] <jcoxon> i suspect its a mothervboard problem
[18:09] <jcoxon> similar to the logic board video error of death
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[18:14] <jcoxon> bbl
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[18:34] <edmoore> rjharrison: sit rep?
[18:42] Action: RocketBoy has bagged himself a FT290 (the 2m version of the FT790) on freecycle - yea
[18:43] <edmoore> oh wow
[18:43] <edmoore> am going on freecycle right away
[18:44] <edmoore> GB3PI was useful today
[18:45] <RocketBoy> yeah - I heard rob using it - I was tempted to get on it myself - but I had forgotton my mic
[18:46] <RocketBoy> I heard about the balloon viual form cambridge - cracking stuff guys
[18:47] <edmoore> we could see it still at 30km altitude when it was up by BSE
[18:47] <edmoore> just looked down the auto-tracking yagi and there it was
[18:47] <RocketBoy> wow
[18:47] <RocketBoy> you need to mount a telescope on it now
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> And a laser diode
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> What was the range to it at that point?
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> Does the auto tracking point at GPS?
[18:50] <RocketBoy> Actaully i guess a good telecope motor drive would do
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> yeah - any scope with a computer interface I guess.
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meade-6-reflector-LXD55-telescope_W0QQitemZ320443792787QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Telescopes?hash=item4a9bf03d93
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[18:57] <edmoore> SpeedEvil: ~40km
[18:57] <edmoore> it's forward driven
[18:58] <edmoore> so just points along the vector balloon_pos - us_pos
[18:58] <edmoore> but in spherical co-ordinates
[19:09] <RocketBoy> have you got any recommendations for a motor to use edmoore - I have a old CCTV camer drive - but it needs new motors
[19:09] <RocketBoy> camera
[19:10] <edmoore> we nabbed a rotator off the wireless club, it was broken but fixable
[19:10] <edmoore> and it uses those bosch windscreen wiper motors
[19:10] <edmoore> with big worm-drive jobs
[19:16] <RocketBoy> so the motors are actually DC? - how to you set the position - is there a feedback mechanisum?
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[19:20] <edmoore> we use the original controller box that came with
[19:21] <edmoore> lets you give an az and el via serial
[19:21] <edmoore> they're dc, yep
[19:23] <MikeMc> easy enough to get position using encoders
[19:23] <edmoore> we had a whole bunch of packet QRM on .075 today
[19:25] <RocketBoy> oh right - any idea what it was?
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[19:25] <RocketBoy> BTW - did you notice any signal strength differences between the two payloads
[19:27] <MikeMc> i could barely hear Xaben but could pick up Icarus
[19:27] <RocketBoy> getting rjharrisons payload back was fun - shinning up trees with 20 foot poles - rather him than me ;-)
[19:27] <RocketBoy> really? was t
[19:27] <RocketBoy> hat all the time
[19:27] <RocketBoy> ?
[19:28] <RocketBoy> I was tring out a new antenna arrangement today
[19:28] <edmoore> I had both fine the whole time
[19:28] <edmoore> hard to tell as one was whip and one was yagi
[19:28] <edmoore> i think whip was S7 and yagi was S9
[19:29] <edmoore> would perhaps expect the yagi one (icarus) to be louder
[19:29] <edmoore> Xaben had alsmot zero drift the entire flight - solid as a rock
[19:29] <RocketBoy> yeah - i notoced that - I'm not sure why
[19:30] <edmoore> re: RQM - think it was MPT1327
[19:30] <edmoore> QRM*
[19:30] <RocketBoy> the tx is well burried in the insulation
[19:30] <edmoore> sounded and looked like 1k2baud chirping
[19:30] <MikeMc> i', 110k from where they landed though
[19:30] <MikeMc> i'm
[19:30] <MikeMc> and all I have is an indoor whip
[19:31] <RocketBoy> I seemed to get a good copy all the way on the whip on the van
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[19:31] <edmoore> i never had a prob certainly
[19:31] <RocketBoy> I'll go back and see how the checksum did
[19:31] <edmoore> got xaben down to 200m
[19:32] <edmoore> so the tracker grabs the last position to point yagi v
[19:32] <RocketBoy> well it cant be to pants then
[19:32] <edmoore> http://robertharrison.org/listen/lastpos.php
[19:32] <edmoore> the annoying thing about that was that once the xaben feed was up, it started alternating between icarus strings and zaben strings
[19:33] <edmoore> causing the tracker to go a bit spaz and jump around
[19:33] <RocketBoy> :-(
[19:34] <edmoore> its probs an easy fix
[19:34] <edmoore> and they were sufficiently close that it made little difference
[19:35] <RocketBoy> I guess we don't fly payloads at the same time normally
[19:35] <edmoore> until xaben burst and we noticed we kept loosing icarus as the antennas started diving down 40 degrees
[19:35] <RocketBoy> ha ha
[19:35] <edmoore> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> What sort of gain are your yagis?
[19:35] <edmoore> RocketBoy: latest 3 pics
[19:35] <edmoore> 3rd one is our az-el
[19:36] <edmoore> we had a projector too. it felt like mission control
[19:37] <RocketBoy> way cool
[19:39] <edmoore> you can see my mag-whip on the left in that photo too
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[19:40] <edmoore> hi jasonb
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[19:44] <RocketBoy> edmoore: did you see the picture of the pump failure I had with methanol?
[19:44] <edmoore> nope?
[19:45] <RocketBoy> I'll see if I can dig it out
[19:45] <edmoore> cool
[19:47] <RocketBoy> http://imagebin.org/70457
[19:47] <RocketBoy> its an amazing failure
[19:48] <RocketBoy> - this had been immersed in Methanol for a couple of weeks then the methanol was left to evaporate - the pump being covered in the vapor
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> I think the second is irrelevant - that it was leaching of plasticisers.
[19:49] <RocketBoy> yeah
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> I could of course be utterly wrong.
[19:49] <edmoore> wow
[19:49] <RocketBoy> when i looked at the plastic it had gone very brittle
[19:50] <edmoore> that's pretty spectacular
[19:50] <RocketBoy> what I cam figure is why it apparently looks like it exploded
[19:50] <RocketBoy> perhaps residual stress in the plastic when it was molded
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> It shrank in the absence of the plasticisers?
[19:50] <RocketBoy> an then when the plastic was weakened?
[19:51] <RocketBoy> and just split apart
[19:51] <SpeedEvil> perhaps, yes
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> is hte plastic covering a metal body?
[19:52] <RocketBoy> yes - the motor
[19:53] <RocketBoy> have you got any material science guys at CU that might have a view - I'd love to know.
[19:53] <RocketBoy> (what they think the cause is)
[19:53] <edmoore> i'll forward it aeround
[19:53] <edmoore> i know a couple
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.I thought it was flexible PVC initially
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> It's not though is it really
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> so it won't be hugely plasticiser loaded.
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> Could be some other stuff leaching out though.
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> Or just normal incompatibility
[19:55] <RocketBoy> I think the wire is PVC (which went stiff) but I don't know what the case was - PVC or ABS possibly
[19:57] <RocketBoy> I guess it jus means that we should be careful with materials for ballast release on long duration flights
[19:57] <edmoore> yeah
[20:01] <RocketBoy> edmoore: do you think big RC servos would be OK for positioning for a 1m long counterbalanced yagi?
[20:02] <edmoore> I guess so - i'm not sure how much holding torque their output shafts have, or perhaps how much trorque their output gears can take before they start to strip
[20:03] <edmoore> on a clear day though I guess there's no reason there'd be much force on them
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[20:04] <RocketBoy> yeah it would just be windage and inertia to qucick changes
[20:05] <edmoore> s deceleration would be good on ours
[20:05] <edmoore> it's controlled by relays, so the yagis behave like you've bashed them
[20:05] <RocketBoy> yeah - like instant
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[20:17] <SpeedEvil> You can get bloody huge RC servos
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GWS-S125-1-2T-180-degree-Sail-Winch-Servo_W0QQitemZ360172639912QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN?hash=item53dbf656a8 also
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[22:24] <MikeMc> Hello
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[22:45] <MikeMc> No pictures up anywhere yet from today's launches?
[22:49] <RocketBoy> Nope - mine are embargoed for a couple of weeks
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[22:50] <RocketBoy> I think rjharrison's are the same - but best ask him
[22:50] <RocketBoy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32JgSJYpL8o - I'm convinced
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[22:52] <RocketBoy> (but then that doesn't take much)
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[22:56] <MikeMc> are you getting paid for these images?
[22:57] <RocketBoy> all will be clear in a couple of weeks
[22:59] <MikeMc> all very mysterious
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[23:02] <RocketBoy> International Man of Mystery <- me
[23:09] <RocketBoy> nights
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