highaltitude.log.20091023

[00:02] <Randomskk> ah, guess so
[00:02] <RocketBoy> depends if you are going for burst (uncontrolled) or cutdown
[00:02] <natrium42> HAHA, I CAN STILL USE CAPS AS IT'S ONLY 19:00
[00:02] <Randomskk> damnit
[00:02] <MikeMc> haloa
[00:02] <rjharrison> HAVING SAID THAT THE BALLOON OFTEN CREATES LOTS OF DRAG AT THE END
[00:02] <sbasuita> rjharrison, OY!
[00:02] <rjharrison> natrium42 LOL
[00:02] <sbasuita> caps lock day is over
[00:02] <rjharrison> yep
[00:02] <rjharrison> it was fun for 5 mins
[00:02] <Randomskk> one channel I am in was like this all day
[00:02] <Randomskk> still are, us time
[00:02] <sbasuita> Going for a burst. Surely trailing strips of latex only act to slow down the descent?
[00:02] <Randomskk> anyone think a geiger counter in a balloon might be interesting?
[00:02] <sbasuita> Randomskk, yep
[00:02] <rjharrison> well not at first as it's just a larger mass
[00:02] <RocketBoy> it often bunches up in a ball
[00:02] <Randomskk> sparkfun are now selling a geiger counter
[00:02] <sbasuita> Randomskk, I'm sure therre was a few people in here a few months ago who were talking about measuring ionising radiation
[00:02] <Randomskk> I have a power supply I made for a nixie clock that could probablyl make 500V out of 3v7 from a lipo
[00:02] <Randomskk> and I could probably piggyback it onto a cusf launch
[00:02] <Randomskk> test out a new arm board at the same time too
[00:02] <rjharrison> The gigercounters are verythin vacumetubes
[00:02] <rjharrison> I think
[00:03] <rjharrison> Therefore perhaps not the best for low atmons
[00:03] <rjharrison> atmos
[00:03] <Randomskk> oh, I see what you mean
[00:03] <Randomskk> hmm
[00:03] <Randomskk> let's see what this one is made of
[00:03] <Randomskk> thin walled stainless steel
[00:03] <RocketBoy> no its the other way round - they are under less stress in a vaccume
[00:03] <rjharrison> Actually vacume would be good
[00:03] <rjharrison> perhaps it was pressured
[00:04] <RocketBoy> no -its low press helium/argon
[00:04] <rjharrison> I can't remember why I through out the idea a while back
[00:04] <rjharrison> But it was something to do with how delicate it all was
[00:04] <Randomskk> datasheet doesn't say
[00:05] <RocketBoy> its relativly delicate - but would survive most of out flights IMO
[00:05] <Randomskk> but it is made of steel
[00:05] <RocketBoy> not the end plate
[00:05] <Randomskk> that would be the issue
[00:05] <Randomskk> that is made of mica
[00:05] <RocketBoy> where the radiation goes in
[00:06] <RocketBoy> so recess it in a polystyrene tube
[00:06] <sbasuita> Surely the only risk to it is puncture
[00:06] <sbasuita> which isn't going to happen
[00:06] <Randomskk> "The window is extremely fragile, touching it will likely convert your tube to an ornament"
[00:07] <sbasuita> oh
[00:07] <Randomskk> - sparkfun comments
[00:07] <Randomskk> but yea hide it in some polystyrene
[00:07] <sbasuita> a strong gust of wind could ruin it?
[00:07] <Randomskk> not if it was sealed in foam
[00:07] <sbasuita> depends what the commenter means by a 'touch'
[00:07] <Randomskk> yea it does
[00:07] <Randomskk> I doubt it is super super duper fragile
[00:07] <sbasuita> same
[00:07] <Randomskk> they will be shipping it to me after all
[00:07] <SpeedEvil> but touching it can never do good stuff
[00:07] <Randomskk> if it survives fedex to the UK
[00:07] <Randomskk> it should survive going up
[00:08] <sbasuita> Randomskk, or you could get a glass ended one that will detect beta and gamma only
[00:08] <Randomskk> if it dies on hitting the ground, well, hopefully we get useful data
[00:08] <Randomskk> sbasuita: that's true, but then I have to go outside of sparkfun :p
[00:13] <MikeMc> hello
[00:14] <rjharrison> nights all
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[00:15] <RocketBoy> somewhat cheaper - strip the geiger tube out: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PDRM-82-Geiger-Counter-New-in-Box-Tested_W0QQitemZ130336163057QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_Militaria_LE?hash=item1e58a404f1
[00:15] <Randomskk> might even be able to use its psu
[00:16] <Randomskk> dunno how big its internal tube would be
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[00:16] <RocketBoy> oops - its no good for background radiation
[00:16] <Randomskk> lol well
[00:16] <Randomskk> if a nuclear war broke out while balloon was in the air
[00:17] <Randomskk> I will suggest to cusf we add one to the rocket before attempting high altitude launch over the north sea then
[00:17] <Randomskk> just in case
[00:18] <Randomskk> I mean, damn, it would suck massively to start a nuclear war and not get some cool rad count data out of it
[00:18] <sbasuita> night all
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[00:20] <RocketBoy> nights
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[01:06] <juxta> morning :)
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[07:44] <MikeMc> morning
[08:06] <juxta> hey MikeMc
[08:11] <MikeMc> hi
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[09:31] <MikeMc68> hello
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[09:34] <Mike> hello
[09:34] Nick change: Mike -> Guest82446
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[09:35] <MikeMc68> weird
[09:36] <MikeMc68> trying irc on my blackberry
[09:36] <MikeMc68> rather clunky
[09:37] <MikeMc68> is the launch due likely to go this weekend?
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[10:11] <rjharrison> Moring all
[10:37] <sbasuita> Morning rjharrison
[10:37] <sbasuita> Any launches this weekend?
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[10:49] <juxta_> It's dark here and I'm sitting outisde in my garden trying to get a gps lock :(
[11:00] <rjharrison> sbasuita, no wx is not good
[11:01] <rjharrison> I think we will be waiting untill early November for a launch window.
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[11:38] <Laurenceb> hello
[11:40] <rjharrison> Hi Laurenceb
[11:40] <rjharrison> Is it just me or is the UKHAS site being a pain recently
[11:42] <Laurenceb> yeah I think so
[11:47] <Laurenceb> watch question time last night?
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[12:07] <rjharrison> Laurenceb yep
[12:07] <rjharrison> Griffin's a wanker
[12:07] <Laurenceb> heh
[12:08] <Laurenceb> but the bbc failed pretty epicly imo
[12:08] <Laurenceb> jack straw was useless
[12:08] <rjharrison> Hes a wanker too. I had to indroduce him once at a conference and I ended up just calling him Jack in contempt
[12:09] <rjharrison> He used to be at Boddington Hall, Leeds University
[12:09] <rjharrison> and I was President there once upon a time
[12:09] <rjharrison> He came back to give a talk and I have to say I thought he was a complete tosser
[12:10] <rjharrison> I don't normally give people a hard time but he deserves it. Though not in the Nick Griffin league
[12:14] <rjharrison> Any how much more importantly we need to get god to fix the weather, or indeed any other deity who cares to have a go...
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> You could worship me, and I could have a bash.
[12:18] Action: SpeedEvil demands tribute! Of! Quavers!
[12:25] <Laurenceb> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1414209&cid=29835259
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: hmm
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> http://www.magritek.com/terranovafeatures.html
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> 10K pounds.
[12:26] <Laurenceb> oh wow
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> That doesn't look that un-doable.
[12:26] <Laurenceb> (32 x 32 x 32 pixels) imaging time: 4hours. Field of view (110 mm)3
[12:27] <Laurenceb> rather slow
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> I mean - you've got practically all the specs there
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> Yes
[12:31] Action: SpeedEvil is unclear what the polarising coil would be for.
[12:32] <Laurenceb> you use it to increase the output
[12:33] <Laurenceb> you apply a large field for several seconds, enough for thermal equilibrium to be reached
[12:33] <Laurenceb> then slowly ramp down over 2 seconds or so
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> Ah - it skews the population
[12:33] <Laurenceb> yes
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> and then you actually do the experiment under earth field conditions.
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> So any inhomogeneities only appear in the SNR
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> inhomogenieties from the polarising coil
[12:35] <Laurenceb> yeah
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[14:05] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: http://www.sussex-model-centre.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=26638
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> or there is that
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> Weighs maybe half of what a bat + fan does.
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> +electric
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[14:19] <SpeedEvil> Or were you just meaning from the 'cool - rotary' POV
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: hav eyou seen http://www.imaios.com/en/e-Courses/e-MRI/image-formation/K-space - needs login bit it's free
[14:22] <Laurenceb> I was thinking for a single fan UAV
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> ah
[14:23] <Laurenceb> or a scooter... ;P
[14:23] <Laurenceb> tho its really too fast for that
[14:27] <Laurenceb> or... a hoverboard
[14:27] <Laurenceb> but you would need a few of them
[14:29] <Laurenceb> http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=8981&Product_Name=ASP_FS400AR_Four_Stroke_5_Cylinder_Glow_Engine
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[14:31] <SpeedEvil> have you come across any open datasources for k-space datasets? Ideally with real images too.
[14:31] <Laurenceb> nope
[14:31] <Laurenceb> sorry havent really looked, but its a good idea
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> There are some ~35k reciprocating engines that I saw.
[14:32] <Laurenceb> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=613777&page=2 not sure of the power
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> but this was some time ago
[14:35] <MikeMc> evening all
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[14:40] <Laurenceb> early afternoon
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[15:01] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: you want to make an open version of that MRI device?
[15:36] <SpeedEvil> Sort-of.
[15:36] <SpeedEvil> After I sell the first 50 :)
[15:37] <SpeedEvil> But it would be an interesting project.
[15:37] <SpeedEvil> Practically, I have several projects I need to get on with first that'll mean some cash short-term.
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[15:49] <jcoxon> afternoon
[15:56] <Laurenceb> for super cheapness you could use a sound card
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[15:59] <SpeedEvil> I was more meaning a nice boxed clone of the above
[16:06] <MikeMc> Hi jcoxon
[16:07] <jcoxon> hey MikeMc
[16:08] <MikeMc> thanks again for the mini workshop at Hackspace
[16:08] <MikeMc> what i presumed would be a difficult part of the project has all been made clear and easy
[16:11] <jcoxon> MikeMc, no worries - glad its a bit more clear
[16:13] <Laurenceb> Hacksapce?
[16:15] Action: SpeedEvil imagines a cavernous building with fillimant winders, autoclaves you can walk into, and vacuum chambers the size of a 747.
[16:15] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, in london there is now a sort of workshop for hacking stuff
[16:15] <jcoxon> and they have meetings every 2 weeks or so
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[16:15] <jcoxon> MikeMc and I did some radio stuff on weds
[16:15] <Laurenceb> cool
[16:15] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: the CUED basement?
[16:16] <MikeMc> apparently some guys was doing something with VR Goggles
[16:16] <MikeMc> i wish i'd seen that
[16:16] <Laurenceb> VR Goggles are old school
[16:17] <Laurenceb> but very cool
[16:22] <jcoxon> oh i didn't see that
[16:22] <jcoxon> we were a little bit seperated - thought people would have used up the space
[16:23] <edmoore> what have i missed - was yesterday good?
[16:23] <jcoxon> yesterday?
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: I did some strimming round the house, which was good.
[16:23] <edmoore> hack space
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> (well - strictly speaking, outside the house)
[16:24] <jcoxon> oh hackspace was on weds
[16:24] <jcoxon> yeah MikeMc and I did quite a bit or radio stuff
[16:24] <edmoore> i loose track of time
[16:24] <edmoore> what sort of radio stuff?
[16:24] <jcoxon> just going through how we do the radio bit
[16:25] <MikeMc> very useful
[16:25] <jcoxon> e.g. rtty, radiometrix how dl-fldigi works
[16:25] <edmoore> cool
[16:25] <jcoxon> chatted to a few people about balloons
[16:26] <edmoore> sounds like fun. I wish I could make it down for more of these things
[16:27] <jcoxon> there are plans for a cambridge hackspace
[16:27] <jcoxon> jontyw was discussing it a couple of weeks ago
[16:27] <edmoore> interesting, who has he been talking to?
[16:27] <edmoore> oh, he's here
[16:28] <edmoore> There have been several groups I've spoken to planning something, and they've all sort of spoken to each other but not, or something, as fras as I can tell
[16:28] <edmoore> some Redgate software engineers seemed to be the most serious last I spoke to anyone
[16:29] <jcoxon> i think some of the discussion is should it be uni independent
[16:30] <edmoore> i wouldn't let the university anywhere near it :)
[16:30] <edmoore> although they have some good spaces
[16:30] <jcoxon> indeed
[16:30] <jcoxon> hard to find anywhere in cambridge that isn't uni
[16:30] <edmoore> or college
[16:31] <jcoxon> hmmm do clocks go back sat/sun?
[16:31] <edmoore> no idea
[16:31] <edmoore> right, need to do some adminny bits
[16:31] <edmoore> bbl
[16:31] <jcoxon> indeed they do
[16:31] <jcoxon> yay back to GMT
[16:33] Action: SpeedEvil stabs summertime, and the DSA.
[16:34] <KingJ> yay GMT
[16:35] <jcoxon> no more issues with the GPS time being different and getting confused about when sunset/sunrise is
[16:35] <jcoxon> well until next year
[16:35] <jcoxon> right bbl
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[16:47] <MikeMc> i wish they just scrap GMT
[16:47] <MikeMc> *would
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[16:48] <russss> I wish they'd just scrap BST
[16:48] <russss> it's really useful being on GMT
[16:48] <MikeMc> sorry I meant BST
[16:48] <russss> yeah
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> I want a new timezone that is on a 26 hour cycle
[16:49] <russss> although GPS time is strictly different to GMT
[16:49] <russss> because it doesn't take into account leap seconds.
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> UTC[n]
[16:52] <Laurenceb> gets dark too early on gmt
[16:54] <Randomskk> GMT isn't exactly UTC either though
[16:54] <Randomskk> GMT, UTC, GPS time, TAI, all subtly different
[16:54] <russss> GMT is exacylu UTC
[16:54] <russss> they are synonymous
[16:54] <Randomskk> nope
[16:54] <Randomskk> GMT is based on the solar mean position and can deviate by something like 0.9 seconds
[16:54] <Laurenceb> +_ a few seconds
[16:54] <Laurenceb> yeah
[16:55] <Randomskk> UTC is based on TAI plus leap seconds
[16:55] <Randomskk> GPS is based on the atomic clocks on GPS satellites
[16:55] <Randomskk> TAI is kept by ground based atomic clocks
[16:55] <Randomskk> they are all very nearly the same thing
[16:56] <russss> ah, I was under the impression the government had basically said that GMT = UTC
[16:56] <russss> but it seems they didn't
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> At one point it used to be I think
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[17:00] <Laurenceb> http://www.arbortech.com.au/view/airboard/
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[17:06] <MikeMc> the sound on that video isn't synced at all
[17:09] <MikeMc> Just watched 'Paranormal Activity'
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[18:12] <rjharrison> off home
[18:13] <rjharrison> see you all later
[18:13] <rjharrison> natrium42 ICARUS III is loaded up
[18:13] <natrium42> cool, when's launch?
[18:13] <rjharrison> A couple of minor errors on PCB but nothing serious
[18:13] <rjharrison> Launch... good question
[18:13] <rjharrison> As soon as the wx is right
[18:13] <natrium42> ah, weather is pretty crappy here too
[18:14] <natrium42> rain and a lot of ground wind
[18:14] <rjharrison> http://www.arhab.org/ARHABlaunchannouncements.html
[18:14] <rjharrison> I have logged for the 31st oct
[18:14] <rjharrison> Going to have a go at a world record attempt
[18:14] <rjharrison> 3000g
[18:15] <natrium42> whoa, neat
[18:15] <rjharrison> Well hopefully better than my last floater
[18:15] <rjharrison> I didn't intend to float
[18:16] <rjharrison> I may launch at night to see if I can get higher without UV breakdown
[18:16] <rjharrison> But then again the pics would be nice too
[18:16] <rjharrison> catch 22
[18:16] <rjharrison> :)(
[18:16] <natrium42> :)
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[18:16] <rjharrison> Right I'm off home hope to catch you all later
[18:16] <natrium42> later
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[19:51] <edmoore> Laurenceb / SpeedEvil1 / natrium42 gordonjcp : can any of you recall steve's callsign?
[19:51] <Laurenceb> try the logs?
[19:52] <Laurenceb> he uses it sometimes
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[19:52] <Laurenceb> so you could try the log search
[19:52] <edmoore> boring
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[20:04] <Laurenceb> http://www.nebula-aerospace.com/multimedia/images/images/npdinner.jpg
[20:04] <Laurenceb> hah
[20:04] Action: Laurenceb waves
[20:06] <SpikeUK> edmoore - Hi! RocketBoy's call is G8KHW
[20:06] <edmoore> ta
[20:06] <SpikeUK> NP
[20:10] <SpikeUK> Looking at the weather forecasts, and reading the logs, I'm guessing there's no chance of a launch tomorrow or Sunday. Is this fair?
[20:10] <edmoore> i'll just have a quick looksee
[20:12] <edmoore> saturday looks like a write-off
[20:13] <SpikeUK> edmoore - Sunday does not look much better to me
[20:14] <edmoore> sunday is actually better, in that it has more chance of making it onto dry land
[20:14] <edmoore> just not the same landmass as the UK
[20:14] <edmoore> it could land bang on ESTEC
[20:14] <SpikeUK> ?
[20:14] <edmoore> that might wake them up into actually doing something
[20:15] <SpikeUK> ESTEC = European Space Research and Technology Centre
[20:16] <edmoore> uhuh
[20:16] <edmoore> it's right on the dutch-coast where the balloon looks to land, according to the predictor
[20:16] <SpikeUK> It would be good to recruit some Dutch Radio Amateurs.
[20:17] <edmoore> there are quite a few on #hamradio
[20:17] <edmoore> they're a pretty zealous lot
[20:17] <edmoore> they've taken over the dwingledoo (sp?) observatory
[20:18] <edmoore> which must be a pretty exciting facility to have!
[20:18] <SpikeUK> <cough>
[20:18] <edmoore> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwingeloo_Radio_Observatory
[20:18] <Laurenceb> ESTEC is censored on google :-S
[20:18] <SpikeUK> Any managed to track a HAB launch from NL?
[20:18] <edmoore> i think so, yes
[20:18] <edmoore> no registered DL clients though
[20:19] <SpikeUK> There's starting to be a lot of lurkers here too
[20:19] <edmoore> yep
[20:20] <Randomskk> lurking is great fun
[20:20] <SpikeUK> eek!
[20:20] <edmoore> the dc level is up to 30 now
[20:20] <edmoore> Randomskk: here is a cool site for you
[20:21] <Laurenceb> /r/gonewild
[20:21] <SpikeUK> I'll be recruiting some more peps this weekend with any luck!
[20:21] <edmoore> one very fast ADC, one FPGA doing downconversion
[20:21] <Laurenceb> ^ there?
[20:21] <edmoore> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
[20:21] <edmoore> SpikeUK: what's happeneing this weekend - BCLN?
[20:21] <SpikeUK> edmoore yup!
[20:22] <edmoore> cool
[20:22] <edmoore> remind me what time it is?
[20:22] <Laurenceb> thats very cool, pity not 434mhz
[20:22] Action: Randomskk bookmarks
[20:22] <Randomskk> bbl, tutorial party
[20:22] <edmoore> Randomskk: have a looksee
[20:22] <edmoore> if you run FLDIGI, you can decode some of the digital modes
[20:22] <edmoore> there's a hole bunch down at the lower end of 40m
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[20:39] <edmoore> hi jasonb_
[20:41] <SpikeUK> Anyone? ;-)
[20:44] <SpikeUK> edmoore - a multi launch from Churchill would be something indeed - tracking and recovery would stretch resources somewhat though
[20:44] <edmoore> may have ti implement scheduling
[20:44] <edmoore> to*
[20:45] <edmoore> maybe 4 frequencies, and two payloads per freq, doing 30 secs on, 30 secs off
[20:45] <edmoore> that would give us 8 channels which I'm sure would be plenty
[20:45] <Laurenceb> inter payload data bus :P
[20:46] <edmoore> our boc man has offered us a free MCP (Manifolded Cylinder Pallet ) which should probably sort us for HE
[20:46] <SpikeUK> Zigbee from payload to payload, then one datalink to ground ;-)
[20:46] <edmoore> although you need a forklift to shift them about
[20:47] <edmoore> https://b2.boc.com/gases/BOCInfo.nsf/webgenpres/231FCA7BE7BD3829802568A4005D5C86/$file/Safety_in_handling.pdf
[20:47] <Laurenceb> I moved one this afternoon
[20:47] <Laurenceb> using a pallet lifter
[20:47] <Laurenceb> wasnt _that_ bad
[20:47] <edmoore> remeber it has to go 'offroad' in this case
[20:48] <Laurenceb> yeah
[20:48] <SpikeUK> Long hose?
[20:48] <Laurenceb> you need to build a transport vehicle :D
[20:48] <edmoore> http://www.globalindustrial.com/gcs/prod/30109386/i/productInfo.web
[20:49] <Laurenceb> he rather pricy
[20:49] <edmoore> I wonder if we could rent one
[20:49] <Laurenceb> isnt there a concrete shed of some sort near the launch site?
[20:49] <edmoore> Mackay's on Lensfirld road is pretty good at that sort of thing
[20:49] <edmoore> not really
[20:49] <Laurenceb> could you get it into there and use a hose?
[20:49] <edmoore> well, there's things like the chapel in the way
[20:49] <Laurenceb> heh ok
[20:50] <Laurenceb> would the BOC lorry mess up the grounds too much?
[20:50] <edmoore> we need some new space somewhere, ideally
[20:50] <SpikeUK> Decant to smaller, more transportable vessel?
[20:50] <Laurenceb> you cant use all the helium that way
[20:51] <edmoore> possible, though decanting is a bit of a pain. we'd have to do the maths. We have 3 x L bottles on site atm, but that may not be enough for everyone
[20:51] <edmoore> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MITSUBISHI-DIESEL-2-5-TON-FORKLIFT-TRUCK-OPEN-MAST-SIDE_W0QQitemZ220494909056QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Lifting_Moving_Equipment?hash=item3356854e80#ht_500wt_1182
[20:51] <edmoore> that would sort us
[20:51] <Laurenceb> you would start to run into the problem of not having much gas in your transport cylinder
[20:52] <SpikeUK> Laurenceb - no, I guess not
[20:52] <Laurenceb> as well
[20:52] <Laurenceb> but for HAB its problably manageable
[20:52] <Laurenceb> maybe the best option
[20:52] <edmoore> we need our own high-bay :)
[20:53] <Laurenceb> you dont mind refilling after each inflation
[20:53] <Laurenceb> so that allows you to go to lower pressures
[20:54] <edmoore> refilling after each inflation would be a real faff
[20:54] <edmoore> you want the fill process to be as efficient and quick as possible for everyone, so they can let go all at the same time
[20:54] <edmoore> and get photos of each other etc
[20:56] <SpikeUK> I've got to go peps - should be back later
[20:56] <edmoore> of my roughly 30 launches (I really do need a beard to pull this speech off) I would say that having to keep an inflated balloon on the ground for any longer than necessary, unless it is a very calm day, is one of the biggest risks of a premature mission failure
[20:56] <edmoore> ok, catch you later SpikeUK . i am off out soon so best of lck if i don't see you before BC
[20:58] <SpikeUK> edmoore - thanks! I want to try to do my pres on the first day of the BarCamp rather than the second this time. Will be here sometime tomorrow and Sunday
[20:58] <edmoore> ok cool
[20:58] <SpikeUK> Bye!
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[21:03] <edmoore> oh! just the man
[21:13] <MikeMc> evening
[21:14] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y9E0PACiwQ hmm new wii game?
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