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[10:00] <rjharrison> Morningall
[10:00] <rjharrison> Any news on what happened to the cub?
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[12:08] <Laurenceb> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/
[12:08] Action: Laurenceb wants to know if its real or not
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> It's been around for some months.
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> I don't know if it will ever hit production if that's what you're asking
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[13:09] <Laurenceb> what happened with the payload yesterday?
[13:09] <Laurenceb> completely lost?
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[16:14] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: your brushless motor controllers, are you using the analogue comparitor?
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[16:41] <rjharrison> Lost in space? BADGERCUB
[16:41] <Randomskk> any CUSF guys around?
[16:42] <rjharrison> No any questions?
[16:43] <rjharrison> No. Any questions?
[16:43] <Randomskk> starting at cambridge this weekend, just wondering what I have to do to get involved
[16:43] <rjharrison> Oh cool give Edmoore a shout
[16:43] <rjharrison> He'll sort you out
[16:43] <rjharrison> Any speciailities
[16:43] <rjharrison> ?
[16:44] <Randomskk> would say 'electronics' but that's not very specific :P
[16:44] <Randomskk> microcontrollers, mostly, and not so much radio
[16:44] <rjharrison> Well that's a great start. They use the arm chip in their stuff
[16:44] <Randomskk> sounds good. I'm working on an arm-based quadcopter atm
[16:44] <rjharrison> I'm more atmel avr and a novice a electronics
[16:45] <Randomskk> well the avr-based motor controller for the quad right now, but
[16:45] <Randomskk> the main computer is an arm
[16:45] <Randomskk> avrs are great
[16:46] <rjharrison> Ed Moore, Furgus Nobel both are on here. Ed is more so.
[16:46] <Randomskk> okay, I'll keep an eye out for him
[16:46] <rjharrison> Randomskk I like them esp as they are the first micro I played with. avr-gcc
[16:47] <Randomskk> yup. admittedly I started playing with them with an arduino but pretty quickly got bored of the arduino library and just use avr-gcc and libc-avr
[16:47] <Randomskk> and now my room is covered in farnell boxes, wires, parts and some arms and avrs plus a quadcopter frame :P
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[17:14] <edmoore> Randomskk: just got your email
[17:14] <edmoore> you're definitely hired
[17:15] <Randomskk> sweet
[17:15] <edmoore> someone with avr and arm experience to help fergus and I is just what the doctor ordered
[17:15] <edmoore> from when are you in cam?
[17:15] <Randomskk> saturday
[17:15] <edmoore> ok. let me PM you my mobile number
[17:15] <Randomskk> okay
[17:16] <edmoore> give me a call when you're free (i'm sure you'll have all the usual freshersy stuff to deal with)
[17:16] <edmoore> we'll go for a beer
[17:16] <Randomskk> will do
[17:16] <Randomskk> yup, looks like a whole load of stuff on the schedule
[17:17] <Randomskk> but I'm sure there'll be some free time, heh
[17:17] <edmoore> it's all a bit of a whirl for the first week, but it all settles down pretty quick
[17:19] <Randomskk> hehe good good
[17:19] <rjharrison> Hey edmoore there you go
[17:19] <edmoore> then you have 1st year to deal with :)
[17:20] <rjharrison> HAB will help you with your degree NOT !!!!
[17:20] <Randomskk> :P I've heard it gets easier after first year
[17:20] <Randomskk> but also that first year is when you get totally broken and collapse under the workload
[17:20] <Randomskk> at least the holidays are really long.
[17:20] <Randomskk> "vacations" anyway
[17:20] <KingJ> Freshers is really busy, I can attest to that since i'm in freshers week right now. This is the first chance i've had to stop and sit down since arriving on Saturday - enjoy!
[17:21] <Randomskk> haha nice
[17:22] <Randomskk> hurrah for three days of fresher's week and then lectures on thursday >_>
[17:22] <KingJ> Is that all?
[17:22] <Randomskk> I guess I can count the sunday too, there's a little going on then apparently
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[17:27] <edmoore> you can join
[17:27] <edmoore> :)
[17:27] <edmoore> have you seen ours? flickr.com/cuspaceflight
[17:27] <Randomskk> had seen your website but not the flickr
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[17:28] <edmoore> wireless problems
[17:29] <Randomskk> you get to xray stuff, awesome
[17:29] <Randomskk> meant to ask about that actually, how easy is to use the labs/facilities for extra-curricular/personal stuff?
[17:29] <edmoore> pretty easy
[17:30] <Randomskk> cool
[17:30] <edmoore> well, people like us know, although it's taken a couple of years to get there
[17:30] <Randomskk> didn't think bringing tools etc to my room would be a great idea :P
[17:30] <edmoore> oh it's not so bad
[17:30] <edmoore> we have our own lab which we have 24hr access to
[17:30] <Randomskk> nice
[17:30] <edmoore> although it's due to be demolished in christmas
[17:30] <edmoore> where abouts are you from?
[17:31] <Randomskk> surrey
[17:31] <edmoore> oh - where abouts in surrey?
[17:31] <Randomskk> weybridge
[17:31] <edmoore> my gf lives in walton so I know it fairly well
[17:31] <Randomskk> oh cool
[17:32] <edmoore> i used to live in chiddingfold
[17:32] <Randomskk> oh, near goldalming?
[17:32] <edmoore> and went to school just south of guildford
[17:32] <edmoore> yep
[17:35] <Randomskk> so there's no need to bring anything like soldering iron, passives, etc?
[17:35] Action: Randomskk is working on a quadcopter at the moment
[17:35] <edmoore> we have just about everything in 0402, 0603, 0805 and through hole
[17:35] <edmoore> at least res and cap, not so many inductors
[17:35] <edmoore> although another soldering iron might not hurt
[17:36] <edmoore> ah, that will go down well - fergus really wants to build a quad
[17:36] <edmoore> just a lack-of-time thing
[17:36] <edmoore> i'd like to build one too - a nice way to do some good control theory
[17:36] <Randomskk> yup, I've pretty much only just started this. it's got a frame and motors, but the motor driver is a mess of wires on a breadboad on my desk atm :P
[17:36] <edmoore> the easy bit done then :)
[17:37] <Randomskk> just got the parts for it from farnell this morning
[17:37] <edmoore> you could borrow a badger2 for the control
[17:37] <edmoore> it's arm7, 3 axis gyro, accel, and magnetic
[17:37] <Randomskk> got an stm32 arm on a dev board I made for now, plus a whole load of sensors
[17:37] <edmoore> + a gumstix on the back incase you really need some horsepower
[17:37] <Randomskk> neat
[17:37] <edmoore> how are you finding the stm32?
[17:37] <Randomskk> once I got it actually programming it's really nice
[17:38] <Randomskk> setting up a working build environment with gcc was a bit of a pain
[17:38] <edmoore> we considered trying a cortexm3 part for the new badger but decided to stick with the lpc series for code compatibility
[17:38] <Randomskk> but comapred to like an atmega it can do a ridiculous amount more
[17:38] <edmoore> we used a 2148 on badger1 and a 2368 on badger2
[17:38] <edmoore> the dma is nice, likewise the extra uarts, otherwise it's pretty much the same
[17:39] <Randomskk> not really played with an lpc yet
[17:39] <Randomskk> got an stm32 a while back for a school project and kinda stuck with them since
[17:39] <edmoore> it's older tech than the cortex anyway
[17:39] <edmoore> you'll probably get to play with one on badger2 :)
[17:39] <Randomskk> sweet
[17:40] <Randomskk> gumstix look fun too, wanted to get one a while back but didn't in the end
[17:40] <edmoore> again, it's on badger2. we're making a rev2 of badger2 for gold phoenix pretty soon
[17:40] <edmoore> for rev1 we used the 4 day, 4-layer service with pcb-train as we were in a bit of a hurry
[17:41] <Randomskk> yup
[17:41] <Randomskk> gp isn't too slow but it's not quite 4 days, especially with the whole china thing
[17:41] <Randomskk> though you can pay them a lot more to get pretty much next day lead time :P
[17:42] <Randomskk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/3946272514/ is the quad, http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/3921208392 the stm32 board I did
[17:43] <Randomskk> v2 is on its way from china via seeedstudio, it's "shipped" but whether it will arrive before I leave or not is another issue
[17:50] <edmoore> which college are you going to btw Randomskk?
[17:50] <Randomskk> selwyn
[17:54] <rjharrison> Right off home bbiab
[17:55] <rjharrison> Randomskk looks like you're going to be busy :)
[17:55] <Randomskk> haha yup
[17:55] <Randomskk> seeya rjharrison
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[17:59] <edmoore> Randomskk: cool
[17:59] <edmoore> there's another guy going to selwyn who has launched a balloon
[17:59] <edmoore> Jon
[17:59] <edmoore> seek him out maybe
[17:59] <Randomskk> what year's he in?
[17:59] <edmoore> we're recruiting the both of yous :)
[17:59] <Randomskk> oh, cool
[17:59] <edmoore> starting same as you
[17:59] <Randomskk> nice
[17:59] <Randomskk> I'm sure I'll find him around, then
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[20:09] <rjharrison> Back
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[20:16] <rjharrison> Randomskk you all sorted now for cusf?
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[20:31] <rjharrison> SpeedEvil is coming and going
[20:31] Action: SpeedEvil has shit DSL.
[20:31] <rjharrison> lol
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> If I don't take my expensive - high quota - DSL line down between 10PM and 2AM, it will retrain down to 300k or so, and stay there for 3 days
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[21:43] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/index.php?mission_id=90
[21:43] <rjharrison> The track of Icarus II at the w/e
[21:45] <Laurenceb> didnt go far
[21:53] <rjharrison> I'm pleased about that
[21:54] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/altitude.png
[21:54] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/time.png
[21:55] <rjharrison> Some graphs of data
[21:56] <Laurenceb> hmm external sensor wasnt working quite right
[21:56] <Laurenceb> what was the mass?
[21:56] <Laurenceb> itd be useful for testing the altitude prediction
[21:57] <rjharrison> 478g
[21:57] <rjharrison> why not
[21:57] <rjharrison> The sensor not working
[21:58] <Laurenceb> the thermal mass of the sensor surroundings
[21:58] <rjharrison> How do you know the sensor wasn't working properly
[21:58] <rjharrison> Esp the ext one?
[21:58] <Laurenceb> as the tropopause termerature is different
[21:59] <Laurenceb> interesting you can see the tropopause at 11km on the ascent rate data
[22:00] <Laurenceb> which balloon?
[22:00] <Laurenceb> 1000gram?
[22:00] <rjharrison> 1500
[22:02] <Laurenceb> hmm
[22:02] <rjharrison> Ahh the external should be a nice symetrical fish shape and it's not
[22:02] <rjharrison> in the altitude graph
[22:02] <Laurenceb> the burst predictor works for 1000gram
[22:02] <Laurenceb> are you sure?
[22:02] <rjharrison> suggesting that it was affected by the thermal mass of the payload
[22:03] <rjharrison> Def 1500 I have the lable infront of me
[22:03] <rjharrison> 7.6 m/s ascent rate
[22:03] <Laurenceb> hmm
[22:03] <rjharrison> initial
[22:03] <Laurenceb> ok yeah
[22:04] <Laurenceb> if I use that in the predictor its almost spot on
[22:04] <Laurenceb> what was burst altitude?
[22:04] <Laurenceb> 32 something?
[22:04] <rjharrison> 33200
[22:05] <rjharrison> the grap only shows 29800
[22:05] <rjharrison> opps
[22:05] <rjharrison> no 32980
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[22:06] <Laurenceb> yeah the predictor is almost spot on
[22:06] <rjharrison> Cool
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[22:06] <rjharrison> so how do I get 40km out of a 3kg baloon
[22:07] <Laurenceb> 1.7% overperformance :P
[22:07] <Laurenceb> I think you need to consider superpressure
[22:07] Nick change: grummund_ -> grummund
[22:08] <Laurenceb> so you need to overfill
[22:09] <rjharrison> Humm where is the calculator
[22:10] <Laurenceb> what was the initial ascent rate on your previous attempt?
[22:14] <rjharrison> before this one
[22:14] <rjharrison> 5m/s
[22:14] <rjharrison> this one was 7m/s
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[22:16] <Laurenceb> sorry
[22:16] <Laurenceb> previous 40km attempt
[22:20] <Laurenceb> I get an initial ascent rat eof 3m/s for 40Km with a 3.5% margin
[22:21] <Laurenceb> and yous same payload
[22:28] <Laurenceb> it might be that 40km is impossible due to superpressure
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[22:39] <rjharrison> Hey DanielRichman
[22:39] <rjharrison> You pinged me yesterday
[22:39] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, was just gonna ask if all the SD card kerfuffle was working okey now
[22:40] <rjharrison> Yep all sorted but I haven't debuged the other ones yet
[22:40] <rjharrison> Will do soon
[22:40] <rjharrison> Been a bit busy
[22:42] <DanielRichman> no worries, was just curious as to whether the ghostbugs were dead
[22:48] <rjharrison> DanielRichman http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/time.png
[22:48] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/altitude.png
[22:48] <DanielRichman> nice
[22:48] <rjharrison> Data from w/e launch
[22:48] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/index.php?mission_id=90
[22:49] <DanielRichman> what's with the Sun stuff?
[22:50] <sbasuita> rjharrison, what was your insulation?
[22:50] <sbasuita> (also loving the short-distance travel)
[22:51] <Laurenceb> page 3 in near space?
[22:51] <DanielRichman> This Week: Icarus reveals all
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[22:57] <natrium42> noooo
[22:57] <natrium42> bastard
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[22:58] <DanielRichman> oh!
[22:58] <DanielRichman> damn.
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[22:59] <natrium42> o_x
[22:59] <Laurenceb> http://bible.cc/matthew/18-9.htm
[23:00] <natrium42> wait, did i join the bible channel by mistake again?
[23:00] Action: natrium42 sees that it's relevant
[23:01] <Laurenceb> you mean you half see
[23:02] <natrium42> .P
[23:03] <natrium42> DanielRichman: so... any updates?
[23:03] <DanielRichman> natrium42, electronics completed
[23:03] <DanielRichman> and if breton is on schedule
[23:03] <natrium42> yay
[23:04] <DanielRichman> the overpriced polystyrene arrived today
[23:04] <natrium42> couldn't you get some from a hardware store?
[23:04] <DanielRichman> this is CELOTEX
[23:04] <DanielRichman> Breton insisted... I'm not paying
[23:04] <natrium42> fancy
[23:04] <natrium42> :)
[23:04] <DanielRichman> it has HALF THE U-VALUE OMG OMG 1111
[23:05] <natrium42> *.)
[23:05] <DanielRichman> apparently he wants to keep the camera nice and toasty
[23:05] <DanielRichman> Might send up a few marshmallows and put them near the voltage regulators to see if we can have some omnomnom on landing
[23:05] <rjharrison> If you look at the temp data you will see that the internal temp only dropped below 0 on the way down
[23:07] <natrium42> rjharrison: have you considered sending some bug in a sealed plastic bottle?
[23:07] <rjharrison> Like the pet hamster
[23:07] <natrium42> maybe a spider or grasshopper
[23:07] <natrium42> lol
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[23:08] <rjharrison> I could do but i'm sure it would freeze at -18 or below
[23:08] <natrium42> arachnonaut
[23:08] <rjharrison> lol
[23:08] <natrium42> do it in the name of SCIENCE
[23:08] <DanielRichman> send up some plants and mice inside sealed jars
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[23:09] <DanielRichman> see what goes on
[23:09] <DanielRichman> have a CO2 sensor
[23:09] <DanielRichman> and log the rate of death
[23:11] <rjharrison> Yep
[23:11] <rjharrison> Nice
[23:11] <rjharrison> I could pull the legs off first too
[23:12] <DanielRichman> Oooh
[23:12] <DanielRichman> have a guillotine set up and timed to go off 2 hours into the flight
[23:12] <DanielRichman> don't worry, it'll make sense at the time
[23:12] Action: DanielRichman needs sleep
[23:13] Action: rjharrison too
[23:13] <DanielRichman> be back tomorrow
[23:13] <natrium42> ...
[23:13] <natrium42> nite DanielRichman
[23:13] <DanielRichman> pff you and your american time zones
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