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[05:35] <akawaka> anyone recommend a super cheap pcb place?
[05:40] <natrium42> akawaka, http://www.ladyada.net/library/pcb/manufacturers.html
[05:40] <natrium42> barebones pcb is cheap & fast
[05:40] <natrium42> but no solder mask
[05:41] <natrium42> also http://www.ladyada.net/library/pcb/costcalc.html
[05:52] <akawaka> thanks
[05:55] <akawaka> barebones looks perfectly cheap
[05:56] <natrium42> yeah, it's get for protos as you can get the pcb the next day
[05:57] <natrium42> *great
[05:57] <akawaka> You can be a electronic engineer
[05:57] <akawaka> You can be a web/UI designer
[05:57] <akawaka> You can not be both
[05:57] <natrium42> haha :D
[05:58] <natrium42> her company's site looks better though --> http://www.adafruit.com
[05:58] <natrium42> bed time for me, g'nite
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[06:07] <akawaka> no, ladyada is good
[06:07] <akawaka> its all the pcb guys that have crappy sites
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[10:30] <rjharrison> Hey jc
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[13:38] <edmoore> rjharrison: wondering if you had a ballpark launch schedule?
[13:55] <rjharrison> edmoore got cheque thanks
[13:55] <rjharrison> About 4 weeks as I need to get the board made up
[13:57] <rjharrison> There are some very advanced wellers going at farnells for 400 quid reduced from 900
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> For me to buy a soldering iron at 400 quid, there would need to be an attractive chinese operative that came with it.
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> My hot-air and soldering iron from ebay works well
[14:00] <rjharrison> SpeedEvil I can't say I noticed the attractive chinese operative. I'll keep an eye out for her
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> What's it got over http://cgi.ebay.com/SMD-Rework-Soldering-Station-HOT-AIR-IRON-2in1_W0QQitemZ260470344650QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca53e0bca&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 say?
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[14:06] Action: SpeedEvil comes in from moving gravel as it's started to rain.
[14:06] <sbasuita> That seller has set the "buy it now price" a bit low, hasn't he? Who would risk losing the item by bidding to save less than four dollars?
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> Some do.
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> Ebay auction participants are often not very rational.
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> You may find them bidding over the BIN - even though there are 14 more for sale
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> And personally in that sort of case - I always setup a snipe at the minimum price for the group of auctions.
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[15:06] <rjharrison> PING edmoore
[15:08] <edmoore> hi
[15:08] <rjharrison> Quick question on solder paste
[15:09] <rjharrison> Can you use the one you got by hand or does it go in some kind of dipsenser
[15:09] <rjharrison> http://uk.farnell.com/multicore-loctite/96scrp15ags84-75g/solder-paste-96scrp15ags84-75g/dp/1115453?in_merch=true&
[15:11] <rjharrison> edmoore I'm thinking of having a go at using the hot air station to do the soldering of Icarus III
[15:15] <edmoore> we use it by hand
[15:15] <edmoore> hot air is a pita
[15:15] <edmoore> toaster oven much better
[15:17] <rjharrison> edmoore they don't have any toasters for 20 quid ATM :)
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[15:19] <edmoore> argos do
[15:19] <edmoore> 19.99
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[15:21] <edmoore> by cookworks
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[15:58] <rjharrison> edmoore don't tell me you toasted the cub in one of those!!!
[15:59] <edmoore> yep
[15:59] <rjharrison> I thought you would have an oven in the uni
[15:59] <edmoore> works a treat
[15:59] <rjharrison> cool
[15:59] <rjharrison> Right I'll be off to argos
[15:59] <edmoore> i need to head to norfolk now. i may carry on working when i get bacj, around midnightish, if you're still about
[15:59] <rjharrison> Ok chat them
[15:59] <rjharrison> n
[15:59] <edmoore> until then...
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[18:19] <rjharrison> later all
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[22:58] <russss> relay of a question from another chan: what's the best app to do circuit diagrams these days (ideally free)?
[22:58] <natrium42> \o
[22:58] <natrium42> cadsoft eagle is very popular -- there's a free version
[22:59] <russss> the last time I designed a circuit was years ago, heh. At least one which was complex enough to require something bigger than the back of a napkin
[23:00] <ShellEvil> You can fit a lot on the back of a napkin - especially with SMD and 8 layers.
[23:01] <natrium42> using a multi-layer napkin?
[23:01] <russss> heh. 8-ply napkin
[23:04] <ShellEvil> For quick diagrams - I favour a post-it-note and camera.
[23:04] <ShellEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/circuit.jpg
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[23:06] <russss> yeah me too
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