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[00:19] <Laurenceb> hello
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[14:01] <edmoore> hi rjharrison
[14:32] <rjharrison> Hi ed
[14:32] <rjharrison> edmoore
[14:32] <edmoore> hi
[14:33] <rjharrison> Did you get my txt
[14:33] <edmoore> yes, hence me here
[14:33] <edmoore> :)
[14:33] <rjharrison> thought so
[14:33] <rjharrison> Do you want my home addy
[14:33] <edmoore> i'll cancel old, and send you one for the combined amount
[14:33] <edmoore> if you could let me know what the combined amount is
[14:34] <rjharrison> BTW the AVR chips have dispatached
[14:34] <rjharrison> Sure it's a pain in the arse
[14:34] <rjharrison> the way they split it all up
[14:35] <edmoore> ok - I can try and put it together from this end if you'd like
[14:36] <rjharrison> PM addy
[14:37] <rjharrison> 211.53
[14:37] <rjharrison> + 15% vat will do me
[14:37] <rjharrison> See order history
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[17:19] <rjharrison> edmoore: I was going to say you should get in on this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/8192569.stm
[17:19] <russss> heh
[17:20] <edmoore> yep, we won it a couple of years ago, and weren't going to enter 'another' space piccy
[17:20] <edmoore> but apparently they were a bit low on entrants this year and we got asked if we could submit the teds. They did all the paperwork too so really it was about the most passive means of entering a competition possible
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> Get with those people. http://xkcd.com/585/
[17:21] <edmoore> also, we won money rather than an N95, which I think is much better!
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> There is clearly a synergy.
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[17:38] <neontube> evening all
[17:44] <neontube> just looking at a load of photos from payloads of loads of different launches
[17:44] <neontube> common problem is spinning payload... how do we stop that?
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> A) Don't
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> Use a fast enough shutter speed - and say 'meh'.
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> It usually doesn't matter if all you want is pretty pictures.
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> B) A massive sail.
[17:46] <edmoore> neontube: hang huge drapes from your payload to damp it
[17:46] <edmoore> cuspaceflight.co.uk/media
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> something like a large diagonal thing like edmoore did
[17:46] <edmoore> look at Nova 10 launch vid
[17:47] <neontube> i was just watching the nova 8 one as it happens and that seemed to spin alot
[17:48] <neontube> link to nova 10? (i'm lazy)
[17:49] <edmoore> follow the link I gave you
[17:49] <neontube> scrub that, just seen the link u put on :P
[17:49] <edmoore> if you can't scroll down, there's no helping you!
[17:49] <edmoore> ah ok
[17:49] <rjharrison> lol
[17:50] <edmoore> bbl
[17:50] <neontube> k
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[18:02] <neontube> hi jc
[18:03] <jcoxon> hey neontube
[18:03] <neontube> how goes it
[18:04] <jcoxon> good thanks
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[18:04] <neontube> whats a good irc client to use on linux?
[18:05] <jcoxon> xchat
[18:05] <neontube> not used linux in years, installed it on sunday so i can use some of this tracking software when u next do a launch
[18:06] <neontube> using seamonkey at the mo
[18:06] <neontube> seems to run ok,
[18:06] <jcoxon> oh great - need as many trackers as possible
[18:06] <jcoxon> have you seen the tracking guide
[18:06] <jcoxon> ?
[18:07] <neontube> yer, not sure my current scanner is up for the job though
[18:07] <neontube> on look out for a better one anyway
[18:07] <neontube> current one won't do ssb
[18:07] <jcoxon> oh with out ssb it ain't going to work
[18:07] <jcoxon> unfortunately
[18:08] <neontube> yer i read that
[18:08] <neontube> i thought the transmitter modules were fm though...
[18:08] <jcoxon> indeed they are but we are cheating a little to do what we want
[18:08] <jcoxon> so you need ssb to receive
[18:09] <neontube> i c
[18:09] <neontube> time to crack the lid off it then.. see if it can be modded:P
[18:09] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure if need is correct - assuming no noise in the capture band.
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> It won't be recievable with fldigi - anyway
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> you'd need your own decoder software that would demodulate the high-pass-filtered RS232 output
[18:10] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, :-)
[18:10] <jcoxon> ssb is required
[18:12] <neontube> either way, i have an excuse to find a better radio
[18:13] <neontube> well i'm after a couple of different ones
[18:13] <neontube> want something thats a bit better in the upto 30mhz range
[18:14] <neontube> been messing with weatherfax reception
[18:14] <gordonjcp> neontube: general coverage, or amateur bands?
[18:14] <neontube> general
[18:15] Action: gordonjcp saw a really nice FRG-7700 at the Crianlarich rally
[18:15] <neontube> i'm always interested in any sort of data transmission that i can recieve and decode in some way
[18:15] <neontube> done a bit with weather sats and pagers etc
[18:15] <gordonjcp> trunking ;-)
[18:16] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, have you ever used a biffer board?
[18:16] <jcoxon> i know you advocate them
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: I've looked at them, and am considering buying one.
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> I have not actually used one.
[18:16] <neontube> saw a biffer on a board at the beach
[18:17] <gordonjcp> cute
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: why is SSB required?
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: FM will of course have a low output voltage due to the small swing - and will have a high-pass filtered output that will be comparatively noisy.
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> The performance will be rather poorer with a FM reciever.
[18:18] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, i understand what you are saying but for people who plan to track our paylods ssb is required
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> (assuming that the signal is strong enough to lock and there are no other signals in the passband)
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> yes - fair enough
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> with the current software anyway.
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> hmm - something to try next time - record a few seconds of audio with FM mode
[18:19] <SpeedEvil> see just how bad it is
[18:21] <jcoxon> yeah
[18:24] <neontube> not that i have a need but... you recon my nieghbours would complain about a set of thease on the house
[18:24] <neontube> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Microwave-dish-antennas_W0QQitemZ330351105965QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM?hash=item4cea75d7ad&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
[18:29] <neontube> sorry, off topic... i'll shut up now :p
[18:30] <jcoxon> hehe. no no
[18:30] <jcoxon> i'm sure they could be put to good use...
[18:30] <neontube> enough power output and i could cook the kids next door...
[18:32] <jcoxon> haha
[18:32] <jcoxon> right i'm off
[18:32] <jcoxon> bbl
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[18:32] <SpeedEvil> I don't get that.
[18:32] <neontube> get what...
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> Why do they have such a large base?
[18:33] <neontube> think you turn them the other way up ?
[18:36] <neontube> anyway, tea time
[18:36] <neontube> bbl
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[18:51] <gordonjcp> neontube: stick a pair of USB wifi dongles at the focus...
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[20:38] <rjharrison_home> Wow 1200 fps is not that slow
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> nope
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> I have a couple of cameras that'll do that.
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> Though they are in optical mice.
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[21:02] <rjharrison_home> Pyro bust at 1200 fps you need to view this one frame at a time
[21:02] <rjharrison_home> http://www.robertharrison.org/images/cutdown/pyro-1200fps.wmv
[21:15] <rjharrison_home> SpeedEvil: You minght like this ^^^
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[21:27] <rjharrison_home> hay DanielRichman
[21:27] <rjharrison_home> hey even
[21:27] <DanielRichman> hello
[21:27] <rjharrison_home> I haven't managed to compile your code yet
[21:27] <DanielRichman> oh?
[21:27] <rjharrison_home> not on the 328p
[21:28] <rjharrison_home> Throwing a few errors to do with the uC change
[21:28] <DanielRichman> uC, sorry?
[21:28] <rjharrison_home> I'll chat another time
[21:28] <rjharrison_home> cooking supper ATM
[21:28] <rjharrison_home> http://www.robertharrison.org/images/cutdown/pyro-1200fps.wmv
[21:28] <rjharrison_home> Have a look at that a frame at a time
[21:28] <rjharrison_home> pyro at 1200 fps
[21:28] <DanielRichman> ain't got the codecs :(
[21:28] <rjharrison_home> np
[21:29] <DanielRichman> hangon ffplay can handle it
[21:29] <DanielRichman> oooh
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[21:31] <rjharrison_home> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/3809286212/?likes_hd=1
[21:32] <rjharrison_home> Cooll can ffplay do single frmae
[21:32] <rjharrison_home> frames
[21:32] <DanielRichman> don't know.
[21:32] <DanielRichman> doubt it
[21:32] <DanielRichman> very cool video though
[21:34] <rjharrison_home> At one frame at a time
[21:34] <rjharrison_home> you can see the match ignight
[21:34] <rjharrison_home> then the powder
[21:35] <DanielRichman> wow
[21:35] <DanielRichman> 328p is pin-compatible with arduino, right?
[21:35] <DanielRichman> **atmega168
[21:38] <rjharrison_home> yep
[21:39] <DanielRichman> why on earth doesn't it define PB2, PB3...?
[21:39] <DanielRichman> oh ghad
[21:39] <DanielRichman> for some reason iom328p.h (avr-libc) has it as PORTB0, PORTB1 instead of PB0, PB1....
[21:39] <DanielRichman> what a pain
[21:39] <rjharrison_home> Had to replace that with PINPINB3
[21:39] <rjharrison_home> PINB2 PINB3
[21:40] <DanielRichman> nah, technically that's for input
[21:40] <DanielRichman> right?
[21:40] <rjharrison_home> OH
[21:40] <DanielRichman> but it makes no difference
[21:40] <DanielRichman> since:
[21:40] <DanielRichman> #define PINB _SFR_IO8(0x03)
[21:40] <DanielRichman> #define PINB0 0
[21:40] <DanielRichman> #define PINB1 1
[21:40] <rjharrison_home> Just numbers in the end
[21:40] <DanielRichman> ....
[21:40] <DanielRichman> #define PORTB _SFR_IO8(0x05)
[21:40] <DanielRichman> #define PORTB0 0
[21:40] <DanielRichman> #define PORTB1 1
[21:40] <DanielRichman> exactly the same ;)
[21:40] <DanielRichman> Ok I got it to compile
[21:41] <DanielRichman> I made some tweaks to the code in SVN earlier today - tiny changes, don't affect how it works, instead make the code nicer
[21:42] <DanielRichman> OK so:
[21:42] <DanielRichman> (what O/S are you on, rjharrison_home ?)
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[21:54] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_home, http://www.richmanwebsite.co.uk/sd-card-328p.zip or http://www.richmanwebsite.co.uk/sd-card-328p.tar.gz
[21:55] <DanielRichman> I've spun a 328p version quickly with makefile... main program is in data.c; gtg; be back later
[21:55] <rjharrison_home> thanks DanielRichman
[21:55] <rjharrison_home> Just having supper with wife
[21:55] <DanielRichman> hope it works ;)
[21:55] <rjharrison_home> sorry about the delay and a big THANKYOU for that
[21:55] <DanielRichman> no problem. Curious as to what the error was. Are you on Ubuntu?
[21:56] <DanielRichman> or linux? maybe compiler differences resulted in error... will sort out later
[21:56] <DanielRichman> cya
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[22:13] <jcoxon> evening all
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[22:21] <jcoxon> anyone following the registers plans for a high alt glider
[22:22] <jcoxon> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/10/paris_update/
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> yeah - they seem confused
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> APRS+CAA in same sentance.
[22:25] <jcoxon> oh they are very confused
[22:26] <jcoxon> was wondering if anyone had been contacted/got in contact with them
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> 'It should be easy - let's do 5 mins googling - and write something up'
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> laurenceb's thingy could easily be redone in paper.
[22:27] <jcoxon> if you google "high altitude balloon uk" 2nd is ukhas
[22:28] <jcoxon> i think the paper idea is quite clever
[22:29] <jcoxon> they also think there is a weight issue for permission
[22:29] <jcoxon> i'm not sure whether i should email in - as i'm off in a week
[22:30] <jcoxon> anyone willing to take on some of their questions?
[22:32] <jcoxon> oh i might as well do it :-)
[22:32] <jcoxon> will direct them here though!
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[22:37] <jcoxon> oops
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[23:02] <hallam> hi folks
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