highaltitude.log.20090808

[00:01] <RocketBoy> nights
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[00:03] <Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/30/reg_space_mission/
[00:05] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, have they contacted us?
[00:05] <Laurenceb> not me
[00:06] <jcoxon> i ain't heard anything
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[00:11] <jcoxon> hey g8khw-iPhone
[00:13] <g8khw-iPhone> Forgot to say that the propylene glycol turned up in the week- it's a bit thicker than I thought - a bit like cooking oi
[00:13] <g8khw-iPhone> Oil
[00:13] <jcoxon> hmmm that is interesting
[00:14] <jcoxon> run it through your pump?
[00:14] <Laurenceb> for ballast?
[00:14] <Laurenceb> thats why I suggested methanol
[00:14] <jcoxon> g8khw-iPhone, http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/start
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[00:15] <g8khw-iPhone> Yep^2
[00:16] <jcoxon> okay night all
[00:16] <g8khw-iPhone> What's the vapor pressure curve of methanol like
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[00:17] <Laurenceb> wolfram alpha knows
[00:17] <Laurenceb> its the only thing its good for
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[00:28] <g8khw-iPhone> Nights
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[00:46] <Laurenceb> wonder if the register can sponser my mini rogallo
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[06:59] <Vahue> is there an irc channel just for uavs?
[07:20] <rjharrison_home> Have you googled?
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[07:21] <jcoxon> hi Vahue
[07:28] <Vahue> yes thats how i found this one
[07:28] <jcoxon> Vahue, uavs are welcomed to be discussed here
[07:29] <jcoxon> while there is a bias towards balloons there has been lots of discussions about balloon launched UAVs
[07:29] <jcoxon> so i'm sure it could extend to UAVs in general
[07:30] <rjharrison_home> james like the new layout
[07:30] <rjharrison_home> ttw I think the link to avr progs is not working
[07:30] <rjharrison_home> I'll fix it in a bit
[07:31] <jcoxon> added a news section
[07:32] <jcoxon> reckon should only have 1 item at a time
[07:32] <jcoxon> its more to get the wiki onto google when the tv show goes out
[07:32] <rjharrison_home> hehe cool
[07:34] <jcoxon> just need to get ben to change www.ukhas.org.uk and i'm done on fixing the wiki
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[08:35] <Vahue> anyone done anything on cancelling centripetal forces from the accelerometers
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[09:05] <mc_-> Vahue, what do you mean by your qn?
[09:06] <Vahue> im trying to get rid of the centripetal effects on my accelerometers when my plane turns
[09:06] <mc_-> is it for UAVs?
[09:06] <Vahue> yeah
[09:06] <mc_-> why not measure rate of turn?
[09:07] <Vahue> i am
[09:07] <Vahue> ive got 3 axis gyros and accelerometers and magnetometers
[09:07] <mc_-> and subtract that from the accels?
[09:07] <Vahue> well you need velocity, which i am currently getting from gps
[09:08] <Vahue> i was wondering if you can do it without gps
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[09:17] <mc_-> I wonder why you want to do it without gps?
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[09:41] <Vahue> just wondering
[09:41] <Vahue> im also a little confused regarding airspeed and groundspeed, in the sense of an imu is airspeed useful for anything?
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[12:52] <SpeedEvil> Vahue: vital
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> Vahue: Your mission planning cares about groundspeed.
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> Vahue: your wing cares only about airspeed - it will fall out of the sky below its stall speed.
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> And - to a first order - compute the current velocity - compute your turn rate - from the gyros - subtract this V^2/r accelleration from your acels.
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> However.
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> You probably want to simply jam everything into a kalman filter, and get out x/y/x/roll/pitch/yaw/xspeed/yspeed/zspeed
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> laurenceb is curently doing a rollago with a single axis gyro, and GPS.
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> Vahue: what's your airframe
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[14:23] <Vahue> its a 1/3 piper cub
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[14:47] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> You will want a 'proper' solution then
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> with kalman filters and stuff.
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> You can hack solutions that sort-of-work, most of the time.
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> But there is really no way - well other than buying - of getting a decent IMU that will work in all conditions - while avoiding the maths.
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> you know of diydrones?
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> and is this intended as a full autopilot?
[14:50] <Vahue> yes
[14:50] <Vahue> ive been reading diydrones all day
[14:50] <Vahue> trying to learn kalman filtering
[14:58] <Vahue> bed time, thanks for helping
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[15:24] <rjharrison_home> Can anyone remember where danielrichmans code is for the SD card?
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> Have you looked behind the sofa cushions?
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> I don't recall him linking to it
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> you've searched the wiki I assume?
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[15:30] <rjharrison_home> Oh yep
[15:30] <rjharrison_home> Good idea speedevil
[15:30] <rjharrison_home> I forgot you can do that
[15:30] <rjharrison_home> The logs
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[15:54] <rjharrison_home> drap
[15:54] <rjharrison_home> crap even
[15:54] <rjharrison_home> did I just miss daniel
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> np: Bat for Lashes - Daniel.
[15:55] <rjharrison_home> Anyone know where his project website is?
[15:55] <rjharrison_home> I may be able to find the code from there
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[16:11] <rjharrison_home> building pyros
[16:11] <rjharrison_home> :)
[16:21] <edmoore> rjharrison_home: check out elm-chan
[16:21] <rjharrison_home> whats that
[16:21] <edmoore> has a very tight fat implimentation for avr
[16:21] <rjharrison_home> cool I'll google
[16:21] <edmoore> it's *the standard* in as far as there is one for avr
[16:21] <rjharrison_home> lol
[16:21] <rjharrison_home> cool
[16:22] <edmoore> i suspect it might be what daniel is using
[16:22] <rjharrison_home> thanks for that
[16:22] <rjharrison_home> No he wrote his own
[16:22] <edmoore> unless he is autistic and has coded itn from scratch
[16:22] <rjharrison_home> !fat
[16:22] <edmoore> oh ok
[16:22] <rjharrison_home> just direct data
[16:22] <edmoore> ah right
[16:22] <edmoore> that's a bit different :) you can be a normal person for that!
[16:22] <rjharrison_home> adv can write byte at a time
[16:22] <rjharrison_home> advantage
[16:22] <edmoore> i have been listening to some amsats on the vx-7r
[16:22] <rjharrison_home> hehe
[16:23] <rjharrison_home> cool
[16:23] <edmoore> going to try and catch a couple tonight too
[16:23] <rjharrison_home> I have been looking at getting a second radio
[16:23] <edmoore> car-mobile as discussed?
[16:23] <rjharrison_home> Mkainf a load of pyros atm
[16:23] <rjharrison_home> yep
[16:23] <rjharrison_home> 11 Pyros
[16:23] <edmoore> cool
[16:24] <edmoore> i am going to try and get a second mag-mount for this yaesu
[16:24] <rjharrison_home> BTW did you get the caps]
[16:24] <edmoore> then use this avr based tracker also as an aprs tnc
[16:24] <edmoore> yes thank you
[16:24] <rjharrison_home> Cool
[16:24] <edmoore> has cheque arived? if not then I will assume it has gone astray and re-send for a complete total
[16:25] <rjharrison_home> Oh it's sent to work
[16:25] <edmoore> ok
[16:25] <rjharrison_home> I'll check monday for the Cheque
[16:25] <rjharrison_home> It's not dire
[16:25] <edmoore> well give me a shout asap on monday - it really really should have arrived on friday
[16:27] <edmoore> am in a friend's flat in london atm
[16:27] <edmoore> just been gently drinking in the park, trying some of his home-roasted coffee and having fresh-bread with oil and balsamic vinegar (he's a bit of a foodie/coffee-nut)
[16:27] <edmoore> it's glorious
[16:28] <edmoore> nice to get out of cam too
[16:28] <rjharrison_home> cool
[16:28] <rjharrison_home> Yep change od scene
[16:28] <rjharrison_home> wx is great too
[16:29] <rjharrison_home> I think steve may launch tomorrow
[16:29] <rjharrison_home> If I had time on my side I would launch tomorrow too
[16:29] <rjharrison_home> Pictures not data
[16:29] <rjharrison_home> Still building data
[16:29] <edmoore> uhuh
[16:30] <edmoore> yeah wx is supertastic
[16:30] <rjharrison_home> Hence SD card
[16:30] <edmoore> just chilling by the thames in a beer garden is what it's all about
[16:30] <rjharrison_home> Yep on eee or phone?
[16:30] <edmoore> oh, we're back in his flat now
[16:30] <edmoore> though it's top floor and very bright and just like being outside
[16:31] <edmoore> also being a geek and listening to heathrow tower
[16:31] <edmoore> they put contesting hams to shame
[16:31] <edmoore> intense backwards and forwards of data between planes and tower, instantly responding, they're like machines
[16:31] <edmoore> i am sorely tempted to try and put sd card on this mini trakcer
[16:32] <edmoore> but then feature creep
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> Someone on another channel is currently deploying a JS app into control towers.
[16:32] <edmoore> may aswell upgrade the avr to an arm as arm is what I know anyway
[16:32] <edmoore> then may aswell add this and that now that I have all the cpu of an arm
[16:32] <edmoore> and so on
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> Tracks planes on the ground, fusing ground radar and other info on google chrome as a browser.
[16:32] <edmoore> i want to keep it all arduino compatible so it can be hacked simply
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> (developed using open-source for ~100K or so - the 'microsoft' side of the division estimated tens of millions.)
[16:33] <SpeedEvil> Canadian ATC.
[16:33] <edmoore> neat
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> Currently doing demos with 'a wall' of 52" monitors. :)
[16:34] <rjharrison_home> edmoore Yep I know feature creap it's a bugger
[16:34] <rjharrison_home> It's holding back Icarus III
[16:34] <edmoore> but i think the sd card could probas be crammed on and still work with arduino
[16:34] <edmoore> it could certainly work with bare-metal c on the avr
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> rjharrison_home: How is the pressurised module for the donkey coming along? :)
[16:35] <edmoore> donkey?
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> (I was commenting on the feature creep)
[16:35] <edmoore> aha
[16:35] <rjharrison_home> Icaus III will have 2 x Mosfet, Diff Pressure, Abs Pressure, Temp Int/Ext, Humidity & SD card
[16:36] <edmoore> that's probably the most instrumented thing ever to have flown
[16:36] <rjharrison_home> Basically a radiosonde :)
[16:36] <rjharrison_home> Not bad on a 328p
[16:37] <edmoore> yeah
[16:37] <edmoore> i think I like that chip
[16:37] <rjharrison_home> Yep I have some 28pin DIPs
[16:37] <rjharrison_home> Will use SMD on board though
[16:37] <edmoore> am having fets to turn the various parts on and off on mine (well, gps at least) so it can go into 1hz beeper low power mode
[16:38] <rjharrison_home> Blimy and how often will it beat.
[16:38] <edmoore> 1hz
[16:38] <rjharrison_home> It will last months like that
[16:38] <rjharrison_home> ok weeks then
[16:38] <edmoore> but w/o the 30mA of GPS
[16:38] <edmoore> bbiab
[16:38] <rjharrison_home> np
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[16:41] <rjharrison_home> ping DanielRichman
[16:42] <rjharrison_home> Hey
[16:42] <rjharrison_home> Do you have that link to your SD code
[16:43] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_home, Pong
[16:44] <rjharrison_home> I missed you earlier whilst I was searching the logs for the link
[16:44] <rjharrison_home> I couldn't find it
[16:46] <DanielRichman> hangon one second. Do you have subversion?
[16:46] <rjharrison_home> yep
[16:46] <DanielRichman> svn export http://alien-flightcomputer.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ alien-flightcomputer-read-only
[16:46] <rjharrison_home> Thanks
[16:47] <DanielRichman> the interesting bits are in alien1/atmega162/final/log.* and if you have a look at misc-c/arduino/log* there's some stuff on porting it to the Arduino (just have to change a few pin numbers)
[16:47] <rjharrison_home> Ok cool
[16:47] <rjharrison_home> thanks for that
[16:47] <DanielRichman> the important function is messages_get_char(payload_data *data)
[16:48] <DanielRichman> It's only used/called once in log.c so you can replace it with whatever you want
[16:48] <DanielRichman> just search for it
[16:48] <rjharrison_home> I'm going to prototype a schematic for a basic circuit which allows it to work
[16:49] <DanielRichman> messages_get_char returns one byte of data at a time (if you go to the area in which that function is used by log.c you can replace this with whatever system you want), and returns 0 when there is no more data to write. (it's intended for writing Ascii data; you can't write the byte 0x00 'cause it will interpret that as STOP.
[16:49] <DanielRichman> Hope it works! You want to be sure to test it extensively before deploying.
[16:49] <rjharrison_home> Will do
[16:50] <rjharrison_home> It better than anything I have at the moment
[16:51] <DanielRichman> ;)
[16:51] <DanielRichman> there are comments but it may be the kind of comments that only make sense to the person that wrote them :O
[16:51] <DanielRichman> there's a brief outline of what it does in log.h. Generally it progresses from each _status to the next, but there are some jumps.
[16:52] <DanielRichman> there's log_status, log_mode and log_substate. (not great names).
[16:54] <DanielRichman> anyway - got to go out now. good luck!
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[16:57] <edmoore> back
[16:59] <djellison> Almost finished transcribing my Oscar 19 morse by HAND :D
[17:00] <edmoore> nerd
[17:00] <edmoore> but then you knew that
[17:00] <edmoore> This is the nice thing about having ssb on your handheld!
[17:00] <edmoore> I'm nots sure I can do that
[17:01] <edmoore> but ti can at least make contacts while swimming
[17:01] <djellison> This was CW on 437.something
[17:02] <edmoore> what's next on the list for you?
[17:02] <djellison> World Domination
[17:03] <edmoore> I might try Gurwin Techsat 1B
[17:03] <edmoore> 18:43
[17:03] <djellison> Oscar 19 is back in 3 minutes
[17:03] <edmoore> AO-51 at 33 degs peak might be a bit low
[17:03] <edmoore> 28 degrees for me
[17:03] <djellison> It's taken me a whole orbit to decode 7 lines of morse :D
[17:04] <djellison> AO51 peaks at 40 deg according to heavens-above
[17:04] <djellison> 1729 to 1739 - I'm west of you by a degree though
[17:04] <edmoore> I'm on heaven's above too
[17:04] <edmoore> though actually am in london
[17:04] <edmoore> still, close enough
[17:05] <edmoore> geoffrey boycott is an arse
[17:05] <edmoore> 198 longwave is for Henry Blowfeld and nothing else
[17:05] <djellison> Try Oscar 19 for its CW - uber-geek like - Even with only 30 degrees, You'll get it EASY.
[17:05] <djellison> It's putting out 750mw just doing CW
[17:06] <edmoore> you're listening on am?
[17:06] <djellison> F7E has a CW mode
[17:06] <edmoore> i'll try on am, that might catch it
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[17:09] <gordonjcp> djellison: oscar 19 is still alive?
[17:10] <edmoore> got it on FM, yep
[17:11] <edmoore> just abour broke squelch
[17:12] <djellison> I got it no problem
[17:12] <djellison> EASY to track on CW. A bit harder on FM
[17:12] <edmoore> definitely there and clear with squelch off
[17:13] <edmoore> djellison: did you get gpredict workin on osx?
[17:13] <djellison> On OSX - no - I gave up
[17:14] <djellison> Resorted to Macbook. I read things like 'build' and panic.
[17:14] <gordonjcp> got it
[17:14] <gordonjcp> pretty loud actually
[17:15] <djellison> Yeah - CW seems to punch through very well
[17:17] <djellison> OK - I decoded 7 lines off it. Box temp goes from -2.14 to -3.92 - Transmit Power goes from 957mW to 986. +Zvolts goes from 21.3 to 22.05 - that all makes sense I think. A little 90 minutes of geek heaven really
[17:23] <edmoore> :)
[17:23] <edmoore> will try ao-51 is a few mins
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[17:35] <edmoore> got ao-51 reasonably well
[17:37] <rjharrison_home> what freq
[17:37] <rjharrison_home> edmoore
[17:37] <edmoore> 435.300 at peak elevation
[17:37] <edmoore> i suspect you've missed it though now
[17:37] <djellison> Not a great 51 pass - but I heard some
[17:37] <rjharrison_home> MODE?
[17:38] <djellison> FM
[17:38] <djellison> It's gone for me here
[17:38] <edmoore> snap
[17:38] <edmoore> gotta get me a yagi
[17:38] <djellison> Yeah - my Arrow has, allegedly, left the US
[17:38] <edmoore> i'll try howard long's DIY arrow
[17:38] <djellison> Should be with me soon
[17:39] <djellison> What Amsats are still working. Heavens-above gives such a huge list, but 90% are long dead
[17:39] <edmoore> http://www.g6lvb.com/HomebrewArrow.htm
[17:40] <djellison> 51 and 19 are all I've managed to hear so far. ISS, tried twice..failed twice.
[17:41] <djellison> Anyway - going to grab some food - back later
[17:48] <edmoore> Sloe Gin and AO-51. It's like country-geek heaven.
[18:56] <djellison> Hmm - Oscar 7 is in mode A
[18:57] <djellison> Downlinking 29.4 to 29.5 CW...could be a good one :)
[19:05] <Hiena> Okay. Any foretellings or warnings for the G.I.Joe movie?
[19:05] <edmoore> djellison: not sure that antenna will be up to much on 29.4Mhz!
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[22:09] <rjharrison_home> Ping RocketBoy U launching tomoorw?
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[22:42] <RocketBoy> rjharrison_home: nope - I didn't get as much done today as I wanted - so I have to finish it off tomorrow before the carpets come on Monday
[22:48] <rjharrison_home> RocketBoy ok np
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[23:34] <rjharrison_home> edmoore you're back
[23:34] <rjharrison_home> Still in london
[23:34] <edmoore> uhuh
[23:34] <rjharrison_home> AVR interrup vector names have changed on the 328p !
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[23:35] <edmoore> good to know!
[23:35] <edmoore> yes, still in london
[23:35] <edmoore> going back to cam 2morrow with everyone, for a bit of picnic and punting
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[23:48] <rjharrison_home> lol sangria in the park
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