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[08:00] <jcoxon> morning all
[08:01] <jcoxon> ping gordonjcp
[08:01] <jcoxon> whats the name of your IRC channel about hamradio?
[08:01] <jcoxon> thats not #hamradio
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[08:38] <jcoxon> morning edmoore
[08:38] <edmoore> morning jcoxon
[08:39] <jcoxon> just making the morse beacon
[08:40] <edmoore> cool
[08:40] <edmoore> what freq is that on?
[08:42] <jcoxon> its 0.75 as well
[08:42] <jcoxon> but its a circuit design module
[08:42] <jcoxon> going to see where it appears once built and decide then
[08:42] <edmoore> :)
[08:45] <edmoore> bbiab, brekkie
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[09:35] <edmoore> jcoxon: do you have a latest prediction?
[09:35] <edmoore> do you mind if i do one based on whatever parameters you're thinking?
[09:35] <jcoxon> did one about an hour ago
[09:35] <jcoxon> feel free
[09:35] <edmoore> what does she say - is it on flickr?
[09:35] <jcoxon> i didn't upload it
[09:35] <jcoxon> pretty much identical
[09:35] <jcoxon> need to run a few though
[09:36] <jcoxon> at various float alts
[09:36] <jcoxon> as thats key
[09:36] <edmoore> http://www.robertharrison.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=74
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[09:36] <edmoore> whoops
[09:46] <edmoore> greetings ms7821
[09:48] <ms7821> today's the day!
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[09:51] <jcoxon> right gps beacon complete
[09:54] <jcoxon> oops not gps
[09:54] <jcoxon> morse beacon complete
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[10:05] <edmoore> good progress jcoxon
[10:05] <edmoore> am looking forward to thisn
[10:06] <jcoxon> just wish i had added a temp sensor
[10:06] <jcoxon> oh well
[10:08] <jcoxon> edmoore, did you run the traj forecasts?
[10:09] <edmoore> yep
[10:09] <edmoore> with 3 hrs float time, lands on cranfield
[10:09] <edmoore> it's a really crazy profile
[10:09] <jcoxon> still relatively safe though i reckon
[10:10] <edmoore> oh yeah, it's all that pretty empty midlands bit
[10:10] <edmoore> due west
[10:10] <edmoore> there's basically nowt between here and snowdonia
[10:12] <jcoxon> yeah its should be fun
[10:13] <jcoxon> just need to find a ham or two to the west
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[10:42] <jcoxon> ping edmoore
[10:43] <edmoore> jcoxon:
[10:44] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[10:44] <jcoxon> just fired up the beacon and the flight 'puter
[10:44] <jcoxon> they are quite close togther
[10:47] <edmoore> how close?
[10:48] <jcoxon> on the same waterfall
[10:48] <edmoore> that's ok
[10:48] <jcoxon> i'm letting them settle to see if they go closer
[10:48] <edmoore> i'm sure fldigi can differentiate
[10:49] <jcoxon> yeah its decoding fine
[10:49] <jcoxon> and also the beacon points up
[10:49] <edmoore> it'll be happy :)
[10:49] <jcoxon> well we can decide on site
[10:50] <jcoxon> just take off the beacon if necessary
[10:50] <edmoore> redundancy +1
[10:53] <jcoxon> okay the payload is 450g
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[11:18] <jcoxon> hey sbasuita
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[11:25] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[11:25] <sbasuita> ; |
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[11:37] <rjharrison> ping jcoxon
[11:39] <rjharrison> edmoore: Are we still go as far as you are aware given the WX conditions
[11:39] <sbasuita> jcoxon, hi
[11:41] <jcoxon> hey rjharrison
[11:41] <jcoxon> yes we are still a go
[11:44] <jcoxon> sbasuita, are you going to be around in the next 24hrs with my radio?
[11:45] <sbasuita> jcoxon, yep
[11:46] <jcoxon> as i'm going for hte long duration balloon
[11:46] <sbasuita> jcoxon, I heard
[11:46] <jcoxon> and will need as many stations as possible
[11:46] <sbasuita> jcoxon, zero pressure?
[11:46] <sbasuita> jcoxon, where is this thing going?
[11:46] <jcoxon> it all depends really, depends on what alt it settles down into
[11:47] <sbasuita> cool
[11:47] <sbasuita> jcoxon, what's on the payload?
[11:48] <jcoxon> gps, arduino, radiometrix, cutdown and morse backup beacon
[11:48] <jcoxon> if we float at 20km we'll land near peterborough 10hrs later
[11:48] <jcoxon> if 25km alt it'll start going towards wales
[11:52] <jcoxon> okay i'm off
[11:52] <jcoxon> going back to suffolk then will come to cambridge
[11:52] <jcoxon> am contactable by phone
[11:53] <jcoxon> bbl
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[12:48] <rhjharrison> .
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[13:03] <edmoore> rhjharrison: it's a massive, massive sotrm here
[13:05] <rhjharrison> Yep big wx warnings
[13:05] <rhjharrison> That was why I was wondering about the launch
[13:05] <rhjharrison> I guess it will add interest edmoore
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[13:11] <rjharrison_> edmoore I wonder how waterproof atlas is
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[15:13] <edmoore> hi rjharrison
[15:13] <edmoore> good link: http://www.raintoday.co.uk/
[15:14] <rjharrison> edmoore lol
[15:14] <edmoore> might add it to the wiki
[15:17] <rjharrison> Yep that would be cool. I see the rain is literally swirling around cambridge
[15:18] <russss> possibly interesting tweet for you guys: http://twitter.com/cathedrow/status/2688550654
[15:19] <rjharrison> cool post russss
[15:19] <edmoore> ah, james'll love that
[15:29] <rjharrison> edmoore: When is the coxon due
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[16:21] <edmoore> rjharrison: 5
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[17:09] <edmoore> jcoxon has arrived
[17:30] <ms7821> I hope you guys don't get the hail that just passed over
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[17:41] <rjharrison> Hi all
[17:41] <rjharrison> Right who is going to be tracking tonight?
[17:42] <rjharrison> edmoore, You set for tracking
[17:42] <rjharrison> fergusnoble, you getting wet tonight?
[17:46] <rjharrison> anyone wanting to track tonights launch go here http://spacenear.us/tracker/
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[17:57] <rjharrison> A google map of all the active listeners can be found herer
[17:57] <rjharrison> http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p#
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[17:58] <rjharrison> sbasuita_ Are you going to be logging tonight
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[18:07] <sbasuita> rjharrison, sure, I'll have a listen out
[18:08] <sbasuita> if it gets a bit closer
[18:10] <sbasuita> btw the chat thing on spacenear.us doesn't work anymore as freenode has blocked mibbit ;)
[18:10] <rjharrison> oh ok I'll remove it
[18:12] <rjharrison> thanks sbasuita I have removed it
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[18:16] <lawrence-2e0lcm> msg for edmoore - Rob M0VFC is trying to find you in Churchill
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[18:16] <edmoore> lawrence-2e0lcm: greetings, good to speak to you earlier
[18:16] <edmoore> would you be able to message me his number?
[18:16] <edmoore> i'll try and find him either way
[18:16] <lawrence-2e0lcm> he has tried yours
[18:16] <lawrence-2e0lcm> but voicemail
[18:17] <edmoore> oh, no signal
[18:17] <edmoore> ok, I will go and hunt
[18:17] <edmoore> back in a sec
[18:17] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 2sec
[18:17] <lawrence-2e0lcm> he is on the field
[18:17] <lawrence-2e0lcm> cricket pitch
[18:18] <lawrence-2e0lcm> near fitness suite next to moller bldg
[18:19] <lawrence-2e0lcm> all located :) great!
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[18:25] <rjmunro> I'm just a random person vaguely interested, but is anything happening?
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> yes
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> upcoming maybelaunch
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> As in the topic
[18:26] <SpeedEvil> The idea is to have a relatively long duration flight with a latex balloon and small payload, with a tiny hole in the balloon to keep it from exploding.
[18:27] <rjmunro> SpeedEvil: Sure, I read that on the wiki or mailing list. What I meant was, is the balloon inflated yet, waiting to launch or what?
[18:27] <rjharrison> AOR8000 can you set your call sign
[18:28] <rjharrison> rjmunro If you would like to follow the launch tonight open http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[18:28] <rjharrison> This will plot the track of the balloon
[18:28] <rjmunro> OK, but it hasn't actually taken off yet?
[18:28] <rjharrison> edmoore, fergusnoble any ideas of launch time
[18:28] <rjharrison> rjmunro correct
[18:29] <rjharrison> about 7 I would expect
[18:30] <rjmunro> I suppose no-one there has a webcam and a ustream account or a 3G phone with qik installed?
[18:30] <edmoore> rjharrison: 30 mins eta
[18:30] <edmoore> maybe 20
[18:30] <edmoore> rjharrison: it's very wet
[18:30] <edmoore> we'd rather keep pc's inside
[18:31] <rjharrison> rjmunro Thats right and it's pissing down
[18:31] <edmoore> launch site is some 300m from inside here
[18:31] <rjharrison> edmoore If it was me I'd abandon till the wx was better
[18:31] <edmoore> may upload launch pics < 5 mins after launch
[18:31] <edmoore> rjharrison: it's precisely cops of this amazing jetstream that we have such awful weather
[18:31] <rjharrison> edmoore You guys going to stagger monitoring tonight?
[18:31] <edmoore> cos*
[18:32] <edmoore> probs
[18:32] <edmoore> ok, going to fill
[18:32] Nick change: edmoore -> edmoore|filling
[18:32] <edmoore|filling> rjharrison: will text when she's up
[18:33] <rjharrison> Ok there is no current data coming in
[18:33] <edmoore|filling> no gps lock yet
[18:33] <edmoore|filling> still inside
[18:33] <rjharrison> Ok cool
[18:33] <rjharrison> Is someone inside to tune thinkning fergusnoble
[18:55] <rjharrison> 2E0LCM Do you have a gps lat and long and an antenna?
[19:03] <rjharrison> edmoore|filling, fergusnoble anyone else down there ... How is it going appart from being very wet
[19:04] <fergusnoble> rjharrison: im inside on the telem
[19:04] <fergusnoble> its a bit dryer now
[19:04] <fergusnoble> having trouble getting a gps lock
[19:04] <rjharrison> fergusnoble hehe no signal atm
[19:04] <rjharrison> Ok that makes sense then
[19:04] <rjharrison> weather?
[19:05] <rjharrison> Or jame's dodgy design?
[19:05] <fergusnoble> we dropped it out the window
[19:05] <fergusnoble> :(
[19:06] <fergusnoble> so maybe that killed it
[19:06] <rjharrison> opps
[19:07] <rjharrison> I won't ask how that happened I guess a gust of wind whilst getting a fix
[19:08] <DanielRichman> :O
[19:08] <rjharrison> Is the balloon inflated ready to go?
[19:09] <DanielRichman> You killed the flight computer?
[19:09] <rjharrison> DanielRichman how close are you and sbasuita to launch?
[19:10] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, well... Code is very near completion, just need to test the SD stuff. sbasuita needs to source or make an antenna, we need to stuff it in a polystyrene box and then we're rolling
[19:10] <DanielRichman> well, got balloon to think about, when we get to that point it will be AlexBreton's problem
[19:11] <DanielRichman> I'm finishing that code, but got distracted by django
[19:13] <rjharrison> DanielRichman well I'm looking forward to it and hopefully you will be successfull this time in recovery
[19:13] <DanielRichman> this time?
[19:14] <rjharrison> didn't you and sbasuita loose a school project?
[19:14] <rjharrison> lose?
[19:14] <DanielRichman> Nope... that was someone else. Forgotten their names
[19:14] <rjharrison> Oh sorry
[19:14] <DanielRichman> This is our first flight :)
[19:14] <rjharrison> BTW I was in reading last w/e
[19:15] <rjharrison> My folks live down arounf twyford and Henley
[19:15] <rjharrison> fergusnoble any signs if life?
[19:15] <rjharrison> of
[19:16] <edmoore|filling> rjharrison: patience
[19:17] <edmoore|filling> as soon as it works, we'll shout
[19:19] <rjharrison> edmoore|filling hehe cool
[19:20] <rjharrison> I'll keep my fingers crossed for you
[19:20] <rjmunro> How's the weather looking?
[19:21] <edmoore|filling> problem found
[19:21] <edmoore|filling> the fall disconnected Rx on the GPS uart
[19:21] <edmoore|filling> soldering iron on the way
[19:21] <DanielRichman> ;)
[19:21] <edmoore|filling> she'll be flying soon
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[19:24] <edmoore|filling> hi Guest75115
[19:27] <rjharrison> ok great. Rx! or Tx on the GPS I thought James was using NMEA
[19:28] <edmoore|filling> He meant Tx
[19:31] <edmoore|filling> soldering iron is broken
[19:31] <edmoore|filling> what a day
[19:31] <rjharrison> Come on doesn't Steve have a pocket one on his key ring :)
[19:32] <edmoore|filling> ok back in the game
[19:32] <rjharrison> BTW I'm assuming Mr Randall is with you guys
[19:33] <edmoore|filling> yes
[19:33] <edmoore|filling> rjharrison: i am running the old python script version
[19:33] <edmoore|filling> is that going to work still?
[19:34] <rjharrison> Yep it should
[19:36] <rjharrison> The format is defined by the payload tx and the client just sends the string through to the server. The only difference is that the new client sends it from withing the code rather than via the external python client
[19:38] <edmoore|filling> k we have data
[19:39] <rjharrison> but not posted data
[19:40] <rjharrison> Ahh no fix
[19:41] <rjharrison> is the balloon inflated?
[19:42] <edmoore|filling> no
[19:42] <edmoore|filling> ok going to fill
[19:43] <rjharrison> Has everyone who is listening tonight set the correct payload (ATLAS) from the drop down list
[19:52] <rjharrison> fergusnoble: any sign of a gps lock?
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> I see no dropdown
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> But I get data
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> inclding lock
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> well -a ssuming
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> as it's saying 22m, and lat/lon
[19:53] <edmoore|filling> rjharrison: fergus here
[19:53] <edmoore|filling> rjharrison: gps locking now
[19:54] <edmoore|filling> the gps data wire had come loose
[19:54] <edmoore|filling> they are just starting to fill now
[19:54] <rjharrison> humm no data is being posted to the client
[19:54] <rjharrison> You all got internet connections ok?
[19:54] <rjharrison> and selected payload from the misc menu
[19:54] <edmoore|filling> ah ed is not running the dl-fldigi
[19:55] <edmoore|filling> ill just get james's laptop out
[19:55] <rjharrison> atlas
[19:55] <rjharrison> Ok thanks fergusnoble
[19:57] <rjharrison> fantastic
[19:57] <rjharrison> First sentance through
[19:57] <edmoore|filling> youve got data?
[19:57] <edmoore|filling> brill
[19:57] Nick change: edmoore|filling -> fnoble
[20:02] <rjharrison> Lots of data
[20:02] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[20:03] <rjharrison> here is the raw data comming in
[20:03] <rjharrison> It trys to prevent logging of invalid or multiple data points
[20:04] <rjharrison> fnoble are they sheltering as they don't appear to be in the centre of the field
[20:07] <fnoble> yup they are hiding under the cricket pavilion
[20:07] <rjharrison> M6JCX : ATLAS,105,19:6:53,52.214,0.101,22,-0.0;0;0
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[20:08] <rjharrison> Slight over zellous cleaning of leading zeros
[20:08] <rjharrison> note the time
[20:08] <rjharrison> 19:06:53 is more normal
[20:10] <fnoble> ok balloon filled
[20:11] <fnoble> just riggin and then we're off
[20:13] <rjharrison> great
[20:13] <rjharrison> Dont forget to unbung the hole if it bunged for rigging
[20:14] <rjharrison> Remember is one is a floater not the usual up and pop
[20:15] <rjharrison> T - 5 mins I guess
[20:16] <rjmunro> Looking at the track from http://spacenear.us/tracker/ in Google Earth, is the Lat/Lon being rounded because the altitude is changing, but it's only been in 2 distinct lat/lon positions.
[20:16] <fnoble> launch
[20:16] <SpeedEvil> Max-Q
[20:18] <DanielRichman> Jesus Green!?
[20:18] <DanielRichman> Butt Green, Christ's Pieces. Who named these?
[20:18] <rjharrison> Signal lost on jcoxon's laptop
[20:19] <sbasuita> What are the radio parameters?
[20:19] <rjharrison> It's Cambridge
[20:19] <rjharrison> 434.075
[20:19] <rjharrison> fnoble: Please tune jc's laptop
[20:20] <fnoble> sorry
[20:20] <sbasuita> what rtty settings?
[20:20] <fnoble> its actually data gone a bit weak
[20:20] <rjharrison> if you are using the dload client then select atlas and auto config
[20:20] <rjharrison> if not
[20:20] <sbasuita> oh yeah
[20:20] <sbasuita> forgot about that
[20:20] <sbasuita> just curious
[20:21] <sbasuita> but yeh, just want to have my radio on so if it gets clear enough i can hook up to decode
[20:21] <rjharrison> ascii 8, 50 baud, shift 350, rtty
[20:21] <sbasuita> cool
[20:21] <rjharrison> Yep you will be able to decode
[20:21] <sbasuita> erm USB or LSB?
[20:21] <rjharrison> I can normally decode here in yorkshire
[20:21] <rjharrison> USB
[20:25] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, got an aerial yet?
[20:26] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, I already told you no
[20:26] <DanielRichman> ;)
[20:26] <DanielRichman> just reminding you
[20:26] <rjharrison> lol
[20:26] <rjharrison> now now boys :)
[20:27] <rjharrison> I can here here in yorkshire
[20:27] <rjharrison> can't decode yet
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[20:28] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, we can start building the payload (even though SD card isn't tested), since we have all the physical bits, apart from the TX Antenna
[20:28] <sbasuita> I can hear a tone around 74-76 but that's probably not it
[20:28] <rjharrison> fnoble: Your computer looks like it is communicating with the server is it decoding
[20:28] <sbasuita> sorry 76 to 80
[20:29] <rjharrison> Update from cambridge on current frequency
[20:31] <rjharrison> fnoble do you have a frequency there you're listening on ?
[20:33] <DanielRichman> be back later
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[20:38] <rjharrison> clear data on 434.072.74
[20:38] <rjharrison> USB
[20:38] <rjharrison> sbasuita you getting anything?
[20:40] <sbasuita> rjharrison, not with my little whip
[20:41] <sbasuita> rjharrison, i can hear it though
[20:41] <sbasuita> time to boot up ubuntu
[20:41] <sbasuita> enough faffing with this stupid ipod
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[20:45] <jcoxon> hey all
[20:45] <edmoore> ok, some photos of launch going online
[20:45] <sbasuita> hi jcoxon
[20:46] <rjharrison> Cool
[20:46] <rjharrison> I can here data here in Yorkshire
[20:46] <jcoxon> hey
[20:46] <jcoxon> rjharrison, can you decode?
[20:46] <rjharrison> Hi jcoxon
[20:46] <jcoxon> hey
[20:47] <jcoxon> sorry for the late flight
[20:47] <rjharrison> Data is very clean too
[20:47] <rjharrison> jcoxon np
[20:47] <jcoxon> dropping out the window broke it
[20:47] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:47] <jcoxon> bit of emergency soldering
[20:47] <jcoxon> basically we need food
[20:47] <sbasuita> So how long is this expected to last?
[20:47] <rjharrison> How did you drop the payload out the window?
[20:48] <jcoxon> well it fell
[20:48] <jcoxon> we were getting a lock
[20:48] <rjharrison> wind?
[20:48] <rjharrison> Yep I thought that much
[20:48] <jcoxon> basically we need food so i'm setting up vnc and rigcat
[20:48] <jcoxon> could someone control?
[20:49] <rjharrison> I'm going to get a decode in the next 5 mins
[20:49] <rjharrison> i'm on 72.74
[20:49] <sbasuita> just a note - it would be nice if the google earth link was something other than track.kml every time ;)
[20:50] <rjharrison> Yep tell that to natrium
[20:50] <sbasuita> rjharrison, what frequency we on now?
[20:51] <rjharrison> 73.35
[20:51] <sbasuita> oh great! fldigi using one of my cores and earth using the other ;|
[20:51] <rjharrison> jcoxon hole size 1.5mm?
[20:51] <jcoxon> yup
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[20:54] <sbasuita> Hmm... carrier shift is more like 240?
[20:54] <Xenion> Hallo alle miteinander
[20:54] <Xenion> hello
[20:55] <jcoxon> sbasuita, 350
[20:55] <sbasuita> =/
[20:55] <sbasuita> maybe i've got the wrong signal
[20:56] <sbasuita> rjharrison, what frequency are you hearing it on?
[20:56] <hallam> is someone flying?
[20:56] <edmoore> hallam: james
[20:56] <sbasuita> hallam, zp
[20:56] <jcoxon> not a zp
[20:56] <jcoxon> vented latex
[20:56] <sbasuita> oh
[20:56] Action: sbasuita doesn't know the difference
[20:56] <sbasuita> ; \
[20:56] <edmoore> google it
[20:57] <sbasuita> will do
[20:57] <hallam> nice
[20:57] <hallam> is it on any web trackers?
[20:58] <rjharrison> yep the usual
[20:58] <rjharrison> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[20:59] <sbasuita> Can't find any rtty ;(
[21:02] <rjharrison> If you can wait 3 mor mins I can take over the decode
[21:02] <edmoore> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/
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[21:06] <edmoore> launch team going to grab some grub
[21:06] <edmoore> from pub
[21:06] <edmoore> back soon
[21:06] <rjharrison> stop
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[21:06] <rjharrison> look at ascent rate
[21:07] <jcoxon> yes
[21:07] <jcoxon> we've seen
[21:07] <jcoxon> who knows!
[21:07] <edmoore> i think gibberish - looks ok at this end
[21:07] <rjharrison> ok
[21:07] <rjharrison> wow turbulance
[21:07] <rjharrison> in the vertical plane
[21:08] <rjharrison> nice smooth track today
[21:09] <jcoxon> okay bbiab
[21:09] <jcoxon> call if there is a problem
[21:09] <edmoore> that makes snese - lots of wind sheer and circulation
[21:09] <edmoore> ok, bbiab
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[21:10] <pixel> hello
[21:11] <sbasuita> pixel, greetings
[21:12] <pixel> hi. any news on the launch tonight? did it go ahead?
[21:12] <rjharrison> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[21:12] <rjharrison> Yep its here ^^^
[21:13] <rjharrison> BTW dont' forget http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php
[21:13] <rjharrison> for those of you with mobile devices
[21:13] <pixel> thx. I'm new to this :) toyed with the idea of doing it myself for a few years but never actually got around to doing anything
[21:14] <pixel> for some reason it popped back into my head a few days ago and I've decided to make a real effort to try for a launch this time
[21:15] <rjharrison> pixel cool
[21:15] <rjharrison> Well there is lots of help and resource on here
[21:17] <pixel> my biggest issue's going to be the radio bits. I'm OK with the bulk of the payload, done PIC and Arduino programming, and used to work with GSM and SMS as part of my job.
[21:17] <pixel> but never touched radio. Was looking at getting an Amateur license until I found out you can't use it in the UK :)
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> You can.
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> Well - the UK license.
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[21:18] <pixel> it said on UKHAS wiki that you can't use an amateur radio license for anything airborne?
[21:19] <sbasuita> pixel, that is correct
[21:19] <pixel> cool, thx.
[21:20] <pixel> can you suggest a low-end radio that would work for receiving? I was thinking of the ntx2 for transmission. pref. something that I could get second hand?
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> pixel: ebay - you're looking for something that does 433MHz, has digital tuning, and can do USB/LSB
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> ideally, something that can be computer controleld to
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> o
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> pixel: you're in the UK?
[21:21] <pixel> yeah.
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> pixel: ah - right.
[21:22] <sbasuita> pixel, note that 430-440 mhz and 70 cm mean the same thing
[21:23] <pixel> thanks. think I need to do a lot more reading on this aspect. But it's the bit I want to tackle first as it's the unknown for me; not much point spending ages working on the rest of the payload to find I can't track it
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> that too
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> icom recievers are popular
[21:24] <pixel> time to start trawling ebay then
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> the reciever will be around a hundred quid or so
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> the cheap ones almost always never have SSB - only FM
[21:25] <pixel> ssb?
[21:26] <sbasuita> pixel, single side band - either usb or lsb (upper and lower)
[21:26] <SpeedEvil> Single Sideband.
[21:26] <sbasuita> actually you want both
[21:26] <sbasuita> but you use one at a time
[21:26] <sbasuita> ; )
[21:26] <SpeedEvil> Basically - 'we' use it as a software digital radio - not for its intended purpose.
[21:26] <SpeedEvil> The reciever converts 433.750MHz to 433.753MHz to 0-3KHz - and you connect the 0-3KHz into your soundcard
[21:27] <pixel> OK. Is there anywhere you can recommend to start reading more about all this.
[21:27] <SpeedEvil> A frequency of 433.7512 reads out as 120Hz, and so on
[21:27] <pixel> ok, that makes sense, thx
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> Do you know how RS232 works?
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> pixel:
[21:29] <pixel> think so, high and low voltages translate to 1's and 0's?
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:30] <SpeedEvil> Though in this case, a 1 might be 433.751MHz, and a 0 433.7515
[21:30] <SpeedEvil> an output frequency by the transmitter module
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> which when you tune the SSB reciever to 433.750 - you get out 1KHz and 1.5KHz for 0 and 1
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> and then you put that into fldigi, and it decodes it
[21:31] <pixel> and the PC software translates the audio to bits
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> yup
[21:31] <pixel> thx, that all makes sense. just need to get a tx and rx now, and try it out
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> reading some of the fldigi docs - including supported radios - is a good plan
[21:33] <pixel> will do, thx again
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[21:44] <rjmunro> Is the predicted track (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcoxon77/3723547486/sizes/o/) available as KML anywhere?
[21:46] <rjharrison> rjmunro no
[21:46] <rjharrison> Sorry
[21:46] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/time.png
[21:47] <rjharrison> This shows the alt from the current live data
[21:48] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/time.png
[21:48] <rjharrison> Updated
[21:49] <rjharrison> jcoxon edmoore http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/time.png
[22:07] <sbasuita> Is the tracker not being updated any more? (last point at 2038)
[22:10] <jcoxon> back
[22:10] <jcoxon> found ot
[22:11] <jcoxon> found it
[22:11] <jcoxon> rjharrison, ping
[22:12] <ms7821> hey cool, it's above my house
[22:12] <ms7821> brb
[22:13] <ms7821> damn, too much cloud
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[22:14] <rjmunro> The Google earth track seems to have lost it's altitude.
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[22:15] <Skygu1> The altitude just overflowed the 16-bit storage size
[22:15] <rjmunro> In fact, looking at the http://spacenear.us/tracker/ the altitude has gone negative.
[22:16] <rjmunro> Altitude: -30125 m Rate: 3.8 m/s
[22:16] <ms7821> ariane-5-fail
[22:17] <Skygu1> Anyone know if the floater is recording temperature? Wikipedia suggests the outside temp at the current altitude is -56C!
[22:17] <jcoxon> sounds like its going down
[22:17] <jcoxon> i really need to get back to eat
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Is the cutdown going to be screwed by this?
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Skygu1: of that order
[22:20] <ms7821> 2407 m?
[22:21] <ms7821> that's serious turbulence
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> current alt = 65536m-tracker alt
[22:22] <ms7821> ahh rising very fast then
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> err - no
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> ignore me - it's started coming down
[22:22] <rjmunro> It's now 1079m
[22:23] <rjmunro> But just now it was 22225m
[22:23] <ms7821> are these readings coming from multiple sources?
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> Max alt I see is 34Km or so
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> yes
[22:24] <lawrence-2e0lcm> my reception of the RTTY (not feeding to the server) is losing integrity fast... just trying to pick out the altitude
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> actually - maybe not
[22:25] <Skygu1> Is the historic timestamp a transmission error or a restart of the onboard systems?
[22:25] <lawrence-2e0lcm> I think it's running UTC
[22:25] <ms7821> historic timestamp is people receiving 0
[22:26] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/time.png
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> some good data
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> 15km
[22:26] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/loggers.php
[22:27] <jcoxon> hey
[22:27] <jcoxon> back
[22:28] <jcoxon> am getting a good signal
[22:28] <lawrence-2e0lcm> lost the signal on my Colinear
[22:29] <jcoxon> lawrence-2e0lcm, can you hear the morse beacon anywhere?
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> It was still going up quite fast at burst/cutdown
[22:29] <lawrence-2e0lcm> nope, lost the CW quite a while ago
[22:29] <jcoxon> that was burst
[22:29] <jcoxon> it might have drifted off somewhere
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[22:30] <jcoxon> knew i shouldn't have gone for food :-p
[22:30] <DanielRichman> How's it going?
[22:30] <lawrence-2e0lcm> should have had them bring u food back ;)
[22:30] <jcoxon> seems like it never floated
[22:31] <jcoxon> thats a shame
[22:31] <lawrence-2e0lcm> ah well just means you have to do it again ;) - hopefully with dry weather
[22:31] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:31] <jcoxon> and won't drop it out the window as well
[22:31] <ms7821> what's the plan for recovery?
[22:32] <jcoxon> hopefully i'll be able to track it pretty much to ground
[22:32] <lawrence-2e0lcm> hmm just started getting telemetry again
[22:32] <jcoxon> then recover tonight perhaps
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> It was going up _very_ fast at >32km
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> 5m/s I make it
[22:32] <ms7821> cuz it may land in my garden
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> unless I've screwed stuff up
[22:32] <jcoxon> hopefully it'll avoid the M11
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> could the hole have plugged somehow?
[22:33] <jcoxon> below 10km
[22:33] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, it was a tiny hole
[22:33] <jcoxon> we weren't even sure it was venting
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> maybe too small?
[22:33] <jcoxon> well it was
[22:33] <jcoxon> but it was smaller
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> how was it calculated?
[22:33] <jcoxon> perhaps we had to fast an ascent rate for it to make a difference
[22:33] <lawrence-2e0lcm> $$ATAS,93,21:33:3Ø,52.Ø6,Ø.2Ø6,9577,-1Ø.9;3;3
[22:33] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/loggers.php
[22:33] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/time.png
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> volume of balloon at altitude taken into account causing effective slowing of venting?
[22:34] <rjharrison> That is what I meant
[22:34] <jcoxon> rjharrison, yeah there doesn't seem to be any affect
[22:34] <jcoxon> bigger hole perhaps
[22:34] <DanielRichman> So did it pop?
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> DanielRichman: seems plausible.
[22:34] <jcoxon> i suspect so
[22:35] <jcoxon> rjharrison, can you extrapolate up to max alt?
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> would hte cutdown code have been affected by the sign?
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> though it wouldn't have fired
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> err
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> maybe it would
[22:35] <lawrence-2e0lcm> current alt 8501
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> but it's a long time after 32Km that it went
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> >3 min that you mentioned above
[22:36] <jcoxon> it wasn't the cutdown
[22:36] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 8290
[22:36] <jcoxon> the cutdown just fired about 10mins ago
[22:36] <jcoxon> as it detected it was descending
[22:36] <jcoxon> oh and the cutdown wasn't onboard :-p
[22:36] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 7983
[22:36] <jcoxon> it got canabalised
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> ah :)
[22:36] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 7791
[22:37] Action: SpeedEvil crosses fingers.
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> ms7821: wherea re you?
[22:37] <rjharrison> I can if you have the data on board we missed the most interesteing
[22:37] <jcoxon> oooo her comes the morse
[22:37] <jcoxon> here*
[22:37] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 7299
[22:37] <rjharrison> I'll need to fix the negative too but it's a bit poor
[22:38] <ms7821> Abington, with a car if that's any use
[22:38] <rjharrison> Make sure you bring sandwitches next tiem :)
[22:38] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 7102
[22:38] <DanielRichman> Morse?
[22:38] <ms7821> look like it'll reach radwinter?
[22:39] <rjharrison> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/time.png
[22:39] <rjharrison> updated some crap points
[22:39] <lawrence-2e0lcm> V V V A T L A S BALLOON
[22:39] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:39] <lawrence-2e0lcm> No GPS
[22:39] <jcoxon> morse is just a beacon
[22:39] <lawrence-2e0lcm> just lost GPS for a spot
[22:39] <jcoxon> for foxhunting
[22:39] <jcoxon> rjharrison, no worries
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> Extrapolating the curves gives about 34Km
[22:40] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 5898m
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[22:40] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 5630
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> ATLAS,844,21:14:3,52.099,0.02,-29856,4.3;0;0
[22:41] <lawrence-2e0lcm> just started getting the CW here again
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> actually
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> that's 35km isn't it
[22:41] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, not to fussed really about the alt, especially as no hard data
[22:41] <lawrence-2e0lcm> mm seeing doppler shift now
[22:41] <ms7821> 35680
[22:41] <jcoxon> really want it to float
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> 35680
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> yea
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> pointless really
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> as we know latex can easily do that
[22:42] <ms7821> <5 km
[22:43] <ms7821> steeple bumpstead, then?
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> Also - maye lat/lon are a bit coarse
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> +-100m or so
[22:43] <jcoxon> ms7821, yeah could quite easily curbe
[22:44] <jcoxon> curve*
[22:45] <jcoxon> ms7821, you keen for a recovery renderzvous
[22:45] <jcoxon> if we come and get it
[22:45] <ms7821> sure, if you give a time, I'll be there :D
[22:46] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 3173m
[22:46] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 3084
[22:46] <jcoxon> urgh the morse might cross the rtty
[22:46] <jcoxon> when its just key
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[22:46] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 2919
[22:47] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 2660
[22:47] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 2584
[22:47] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 2342
[22:48] <jcoxon> i can't distinguish them right now
[22:48] <lawrence-2e0lcm> CW just ate RTTY
[22:48] <jcoxon> 1947
[22:49] <jcoxon> 1780
[22:49] <ms7821> so if it lands at 20 kph, will that damage the GPS?
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> nope.
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> What's the horizontal speed?
[22:49] <jcoxon> its already fallen out of a 2 storey window today :-p
[22:49] <jcoxon> the morse beacon will survive in worst case
[22:51] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 961m
[22:51] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:51] <jcoxon> losing it
[22:52] <ms7821> data.php not updating
[22:52] <ms7821> (in case you didn't know)
[22:53] <lawrence-2e0lcm> lost it here in Cambridge CB4
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[22:53] <rjharrison> have we had touchdown
[22:53] <rjharrison> Seemed to have logged out
[22:53] <jcoxon> going out with the yagi
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> good luck!
[22:54] <rjharrison> God speed sir
[22:54] <rjharrison> :)
[22:54] <lawrence-2e0lcm> have fun and successful hunting
[22:54] <rjharrison> At least you get a good nights sleep
[22:54] <rjharrison> Better than steve and I had on the last mission
[22:54] <jcoxon> no nothing
[22:55] <rjharrison> Right i'm on a promise of deviant sex so I'm off for tonight catch up tomorrow
[22:55] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:55] <jcoxon> night rob
[22:55] <jcoxon> didn't need to know that
[22:55] <rjharrison> hehe
[22:55] <rjharrison> nights
[22:55] <ms7821> lawrence-2e01cm, what was the location for 961m?
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[22:56] <jcoxon> 52.006,0,456 i think
[22:56] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 2secs
[22:56] <SpeedEvil> M6JCX : ATNAS,1028,2350:36,52.009,0.446,1088,-7.3#3;3
[22:57] <lawrence-2e0lcm> yep... about that
[22:57] <jcoxon> the last i got was
[22:57] <jcoxon> AS,1032,251:1852.05,0&4%9,850
[22:57] <lawrence-2e0lcm> $$ATLAS,1Ø72,1251:8,52.ØØ5,4584 ,-";3$$ATLS,1Ø,21:28,52.ØØ5Ø,46b?99(
[22:57] <lawrence-2e0lcm> 6.;3;
[22:57] <lawrence-2e0lcm> $$¨3|KH²?Ú?Ú?$ATLS,1(Ø15!:452ØØØ.48(6ØT?,ØØ#85µ8s2r"º?`²
[22:57] <lawrence-2e0lcm> my last bit of garbage
[22:57] <ms7821> of course
[22:58] <lawrence-2e0lcm> right... I am outtahere
[22:58] <jcoxon> thanks lawrence-2e0lcm for the help
[22:58] <lawrence-2e0lcm> goodnight all
[22:58] <lawrence-2e0lcm> no probs :)
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[23:00] <jcoxon> okay predicted landing: 52.0004, 0.487003
[23:01] Action: jcoxon is waiting for the others to get back
[23:01] <ms7821> in the road?
[23:01] <jcoxon> interesting descent curve
[23:01] <jcoxon> yes :-s
[23:02] <jcoxon> will need a radio to find it though
[23:02] <jcoxon> no lights
[23:02] Action: SpeedEvil wonders what it means in chinese.
[23:02] <jcoxon> oh i hope it wasn't onto some ones house
[23:03] <ms7821> do you have an approximate error?
[23:04] <jcoxon> at that sort of range i'm not really sure
[23:04] <jcoxon> perhaps a little south of that village
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> the kilometer radius round that point is pretty empty
[23:05] <ms7821> wth is at 51.98178, 0.48423 ?
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[23:07] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> little airstrip to the south
[23:08] <ms7821> I think that's a go kart track
[23:09] <ms7821> s/think/hope/
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> silty pond
[23:10] Action: jcoxon wants to fly again
[23:10] <jcoxon> so it floats!
[23:11] <Skygu1> Hope you manage to find it. Congrats on the flight.
[23:11] <ms7821> nop, it's RAF Wethersfield
[23:11] <jcoxon> thasnk Skygu1 - didn't go to plan but hey
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> I think it's a pond, pumped full from a nearby stream - for irrigation,
[23:11] <jcoxon> can always try again another day
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> ms7821: on - the link you gave was to a pond - yes - it's an airstrip to the south - as I said :)
[23:12] <Skygu1> You learn the most when things don't go to plan!
[23:13] <Skygu1> The westerly speed was most impressive when it was near peak altitude
[23:14] <ms7821> SpeedEvil: I assumed it was converted, but those sidings appear to be where they parked the planes :S
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=UTF-8&q=%4051.98178,+0.48423&ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=51.976494,0.493382&spn=0.001626,0.002977&t=h&z=18
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> neat
[23:15] <ms7821> now we just need someone with a live IR satellite feed
[23:21] <jcoxon> okay
[23:21] <jcoxon> we are setting of in about 10mins
[23:22] <ms7821> down the 1307?
[23:22] <ms7821> A1307*
[23:23] <ms7821> actually, forget that
[23:25] <jcoxon> okay we are off
[23:25] <jcoxon> a1017
[23:26] <ms7821> where you leaving from?
[23:26] <jcoxon> cambridge
[23:27] <jcoxon> bbl
[23:27] <ms7821> shall I meet you there?
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[23:27] <ms7821> k bad timing
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