highaltitude.log.20090706

[00:00] <Laurenceb> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/04/article-1197544-057A3EFE000005DC-266_964x681.jpg
[00:09] <SpeedEvil> Too heavy.
[00:09] <SpeedEvil> You want to use aluminium, not hundred metre thick concrete.
[00:10] <Laurenceb> carbon fibre :P
[00:10] <Laurenceb> just stick rocket engines on the bottom of the carrageway
[00:11] <SpeedEvil> Naah.
[00:12] <SpeedEvil> Tilt the dam down 90 degrees, and light bombs off under it.
[00:12] <SpeedEvil> few megatons/second should do
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[16:09] <natrium42> yo
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[19:34] <jcoxon> evening all
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[19:36] <jcoxon> hey edmoore / G8KHW-2
[19:36] <G8KHW-2> yoyo
[19:37] <edmoore> hi all
[19:37] <edmoore> G8KHW-2: sorry, been away the last 3 days.
[19:37] <G8KHW-2> It looks like I'll have some 1500s in within a couple of weeks
[19:37] <edmoore> ok cool
[19:38] <jcoxon> edmoore, have you ever seen the program geektool for mac?
[19:38] <G8KHW-2> yeah - I'd be interested on your views on the email
[19:38] <jcoxon> edmoore G8KHW-2 i'm thinking if the weather is good of a launch this weekend
[19:38] <G8KHW-2> yeah saturday seems OK
[19:39] <G8KHW-2> at the mo
[19:39] <edmoore> then EARS?
[19:39] <jcoxon> will go for a latex floater
[19:39] <G8KHW-2> I don't know if the rocketry is on yet - i won't know until Wednesday
[19:40] <jcoxon> edmoore, i've got geektool running on my desktop now, with a big clock and also a script that grabs the latest irc logs
[19:41] Nick change: G8KHW-2 -> RocketBoy
[19:42] <jcoxon> going to think up some ideas for balloon tracking
[19:42] <edmoore> jcoxon: good news on your floater
[19:42] <jcoxon> been testing hte code with RocketBoy's gps emulator
[19:43] <edmoore> may pop into ML&S tomorrow to pick up a new radio for CUSF
[19:43] <jcoxon> when you back in cambridge
[19:43] <edmoore> we're going to get an 817 and use the 790 as a radio for a second chase car, or backup for the main chase car
[19:43] <edmoore> tomorrow
[19:44] <jcoxon> so would you be around this weekend?
[19:44] <edmoore> fo sho
[19:44] <edmoore> there's helium if you want it
[19:44] <jcoxon> oooo that would be great
[19:44] <jcoxon> the ideal launch would be one that reached the top just before sunset
[19:44] <jcoxon> then fly over night really
[19:44] <edmoore> oh cool
[19:45] <edmoore> would love to make some really pretty accurate measurements of neck lift and payload mass
[19:45] <jcoxon> yes i think thats key
[19:45] <jcoxon> take our time with the launch
[19:45] <edmoore> to try and get our heads around this model
[19:45] <edmoore> a differential pressure sensor in the balloon would really, really, really, really rock
[19:46] <jcoxon> cheap way of doing one?
[19:46] <jcoxon> we could stick one in the neck
[19:46] <jcoxon> i was thinking we could put a little turbine in hte neck
[19:46] <jcoxon> to 'measure' the pressure
[19:47] <edmoore> sure, i see what you mean
[19:47] <edmoore> one in the neck would do the trick
[19:47] <edmoore> one tube to into the balloon, one to the outside world
[19:47] <jcoxon> so as the helium vents it turns
[19:47] <edmoore> probs a little short notice to procure one though
[19:47] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:48] <jcoxon> KISS for this flight
[19:51] <RocketBoy> Sounds cool - I may launch somthing during the day - Saturday if the forecasts hold
[19:52] <edmoore> Can set up two independant tracking stations in chu
[19:52] <jcoxon> great
[19:53] <jcoxon> right well i'll push on with hte payload
[19:53] <jcoxon> after weds i'm free as a bird to organise
[19:54] <edmoore> last exam?
[19:54] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:54] <jcoxon> found out i passed the one last week
[19:54] <jcoxon> this one is hte monster practical one
[19:54] <jcoxon> weds morning
[19:58] <RocketBoy> we should write a list of really cool stuff that still needs to be done for HABing - balloon pressure, film burst, accurate ascent rate model ....
[20:00] <edmoore> re filming burst:
[20:01] <edmoore> we'll be flying our casio soon
[20:01] <edmoore> at 600fps...
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> 600fps casio?
[20:02] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, yeah, i think we had an 'idea' page
[20:03] <edmoore> SpeedEvil: yes
[20:04] <edmoore> http://www.vimeo.com/5406970
[20:04] <SpeedEvil> costly I assume?
[20:04] <edmoore> ~£600
[20:05] <SpeedEvil> I have a 2500FPS camera.
[20:05] <SpeedEvil> (but it's in my mouse)
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> neat!
[20:06] <jcoxon> bbl, supper
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[20:31] <gordonjcp> edmoore: woah...
[20:31] <edmoore> gordonjcp: it's a cool toy
[20:32] <edmoore> we're going to have a lot of fun with it, I think. Although we got it for a serious purpose
[20:32] <jcoxon> back
[20:32] <jcoxon> haha
[20:33] Action: jcoxon 's test payload is at 6665m
[20:34] <edmoore> :)
[20:35] <jcoxon> testing the cutdown logic
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: engine testing/
[20:36] <edmoore> parachute
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[20:46] <Xenion> Guten Abend alle miteinander - Good evening ! :-)
[20:46] <jcoxon> hey Xenion
[20:51] <edmoore> DanielRichman: how's progress?
[20:51] <edmoore> do you have 'xams currently?
[20:52] <sbasuita> edmoore, our exams are over
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> How did you do?
[20:52] <DanielRichman> he did pitifully
[20:52] <sbasuita> don't joke
[20:52] <edmoore> really?
[20:53] <sbasuita> not really
[20:53] <sbasuita> did very well in most areas
[20:53] <sbasuita> tripped up in greek and rs
[20:53] <sbasuita> but not catastrophically
[20:54] <DanielRichman> Biology top in year, don't forget
[20:54] <edmoore> I recall RS.
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> 'The major religions of the world are Christianity, Hinduism, and flying spaghetti monsterism'
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[20:55] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, well, if you're going down that road don't forget top in class in chemistry and physics as wel; ;)
[20:58] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, if you're beefing with regard to chemistry and physics, you're going to have to provide your scores for scrutiny
[20:58] <DanielRichman> percentages, please?
[20:58] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, can't remember
[20:59] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, Well you can take it from me that I got higher. So, just chill
[21:01] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, orly?
[21:01] <DanielRichman> :O! Our RS teacher has finally added comments to our online profiles... he claims that I did a year of "excellent and consistent work"
[21:02] <edmoore> well, enjoy it whilst it lasts chaps. wait until tripos exams, where you're surrounded by very much smarter people, always and everywhere.
[21:02] <edmoore> how is balloon going?
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> being smart can _really_ screw your study habies
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> Which screw you up when you get to the hard stuff.
[21:04] <DanielRichman> Yeah
[21:04] <edmoore> agree on that (not saying that I'm smart) but learning how to revise is much easier done when you don't actually have to
[21:05] <jcoxon> i forgot how to revise after A-level
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> By smart, I mean don't have to revise for most exams
[21:05] <jcoxon> and i've been doing exams for a very long time
[21:05] <DanielRichman> forgot?
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> though most people hit a wall with that if they carry on getting more education.
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> if not revising as you go along
[21:06] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, yeah, it gets harder without school pushing you
[21:06] <DanielRichman> Does the exponential curve of stress ever level out? because year7 was sleep time, year 8 was nothing, year 9 was SATs (haha), year 10 was really stressfull compared to the previous years....
[21:07] <DanielRichman> does it get worse ;( ?
[21:07] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, yup
[21:07] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:07] <edmoore> for secondary education, you can get by with night-before revision. Realising that for tripos takes a fairly dedicated weeks-long systematic revision (unless you're super smart and doing something like philosophy) was one of those tough, too-late and panicked realisations
[21:07] <jcoxon> wow i'm just finishing my 5th year of uni
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: exactly what I mean.
[21:08] <edmoore> DanielRichman: GCSEs are just piss all. sorry. Nothing in secondary education has come even remotely, remotely close to the last 3 years for me.
[21:08] <edmoore> I wouldn't say it was stress though
[21:08] <edmoore> because I enjoy the material
[21:08] <edmoore> but it's much, much harder work
[21:08] <DanielRichman> ah well I guess there's the difference
[21:08] <edmoore> that said, 3 x 8 week terms
[21:09] <edmoore> and huge summer holidays
[21:09] <DanielRichman> If I didn't want some of the qualifications, I could do without some of these 11 GCSEs
[21:09] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, is it 11? I think it is
[21:10] <DanielRichman> although obviously it gets harder
[21:10] <jcoxon> its all worth it in the end
[21:10] <jcoxon> and as you go through it you get better at doing it (sort of :-) )
[21:10] <jcoxon> i got 75% today in my exam yet still only came in the 35th centile
[21:10] <DanielRichman> I have no doubt that it's worth it ;)
[21:10] <edmoore> Use GCSEs and a-level modules as an excuse for practicing making really consise notes
[21:11] <DanielRichman> excuse?
[21:11] <KingJ> Oh, I was supposed to make notes?
[21:11] <KingJ> Why was I not informed?!
[21:11] <DanielRichman> hehe
[21:11] <edmoore> well as we were saying, you don't need to do much work for GCSEs and A-levels to get by, but they're a good opportunity to get into useful habits once degree starts
[21:11] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, yes, 11
[21:12] <DanielRichman> cool, will bear it in mind
[21:12] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, what you planning in the future
[21:12] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, how far future?
[21:12] <jcoxon> uni?
[21:12] <DanielRichman> well, the plan goes like this:
[21:14] <DanielRichman> Do well at these gcses (maths, english, phy, chem, bio, greek, french, german, electronics, rs, one other I've forgotten) + admaths; then do A-levels: Maths, Further Maths, Phy, Chem, Technology (or a language, haven;t decided), then maths @ uni (preferably Cambridge, I'll try:))
[21:14] <gordonjcp> that's a lot of GCSEs
[21:14] <gordonjcp> maths and english are the big ones
[21:14] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, cool cool
[21:14] <DanielRichman> Yeah, tis a large amount of GCSES
[21:14] <KingJ> Just one english, or dual english?
[21:14] <DanielRichman> dual
[21:15] <DanielRichman> that's what the forgotten one was
[21:15] <jcoxon> i did 11
[21:15] <edmoore> DanielRichman: theyd probably like a language over technology
[21:15] <DanielRichman> lit & lang
[21:15] <DanielRichman> edmoore, cool, will bear that in mind
[21:15] <gordonjcp> there should be a requirement to have at least GCSE or equivalent english and maths before you can get state benefits
[21:15] <KingJ> GCSEs seem so far back, just finished my A2s
[21:15] <DanielRichman> hehe
[21:15] <edmoore> but DanielRichman, definitely drop something if it looks like you won't nail the further maths
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[21:15] <edmoore> it's all about maths
[21:16] <edmoore> you'll almost certainly have Step in your offer
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[21:16] <DanielRichman> edmoore, don't worry, top set maths @ reading do the A-level maths during year 11, so the further maths & maths is covered during just one timetable-slot in sixth form
[21:16] <DanielRichman> essentially I get 2 A levels for one
[21:16] <gordonjcp> having been unemployed recently, I expected to run into some thick twats at the Job Centre
[21:16] <DanielRichman> sbasuita does too
[21:16] <sbasuita> Yeah, we get one more a-leve than everybody else
[21:17] <gordonjcp> i did *not* expect to have to teach a couple of members of their staff basic literacy and numeracy before I could get my sodding claim processed
[21:17] <edmoore> still, understanding it and reading around it will probably help you
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> ...
[21:17] <KingJ> hah gordonjcp
[21:17] <gordonjcp> KingJ: I wish it was funny... ;-)
[21:17] <DanielRichman> ouch
[21:18] <DanielRichman> bbiab
[21:27] <jcoxon> damn my simulation stopped early
[21:29] <sbasuita> simulation?
[21:29] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, need to figure out how to get moggy to install openoffice on school computers
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[21:30] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, why do you want openoffice? Btw - did we explain his response to open source?
[21:30] <jcoxon> oh i'm testing my payload with fake gps to make sure the cutdown logic works
[21:31] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, because I can't have msoffice on ubuntu and so it is an absolute pain to work on stuff and school and home
[21:31] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, amar asked for blender
[21:31] <DanielRichman> as soon as moggy heard that it was open source he had a 'fit'. Wasn't there, but he said something about claming open source causes spam
[21:32] <DanielRichman> I think he's oblivious to the fact that the school uses quite a few open source products
[21:32] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, the monitoring solution is open source isn't it?
[21:33] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, yes, and in places they use PHP, MySQL and at one point they tried Moodle
[21:33] <DanielRichman> I believe the Sysadmin is an advocate of open source. He knows what ubuntu is apparently
[21:33] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, oh and I bet all those netgear routers are running linux kernels
[21:34] <DanielRichman> That's not exactly the same as what he was arguing about, but yes.
[21:34] <DanielRichman> Their servers should be running linux, atleast, then their network wouldn't be as pitifully insecure as it is
[21:34] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, should post the network credentials online sometime
[21:34] <rjharrison> Boo
[21:35] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, hi!
[21:35] <sbasuita> ; O
[21:35] <DanielRichman> You scared me
[21:35] <sbasuita> ; O
[21:35] <rjharrison> lol
[21:35] <rjharrison> How is the SD stuff going DanielRichman
[21:36] <DanielRichman> I think I've got to grips with the spec. What I need to do now is hook up the Arduino over Serial to test the whole protocol byte-by-byte, then I can finish the implementation
[21:36] <DanielRichman> Just need to check that this card responds like it should, etc.
[21:37] <DanielRichman> Not sure if I should bother with CRCs
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[21:37] <DanielRichman> because the SD card spec by default has them disabled over SPI...
[21:37] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, also, need to make the point that "Office Home and Student 2007" costs £100 - students shouldn't be forced to pay that much to finish work they started in school, or vice versa
[21:38] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, openoffice imports and exports from ms office perfectly well
[21:38] <edmoore> well, well
[21:38] <rjharrison> Here here for openoffice
[21:38] <edmoore> perhaps not perfectly well
[21:38] <DanielRichman> Although I appreciate that that's not the point
[21:38] <DanielRichman> edmoore, it's all good with .docs
[21:38] <edmoore> here here for LaTeX
[21:38] <DanielRichman> but messes up .docxs
[21:38] <DanielRichman> :)
[21:38] <rjharrison> piss off latex my arse
[21:38] <DanielRichman> Hahaha
[21:38] <rjharrison> That is uni lecture talk
[21:39] <DanielRichman> LaTeX isn't finished yet
[21:39] <rjharrison> they all loved latex at uni
[21:39] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, that is a lie
[21:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, back to your point, you'd be better off emailing the sysadmin than bothering with moggy
[21:39] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, anything non-trivial gets mangled
[21:39] <rjharrison> The best bit about LaTeX is the association with sexual materials
[21:39] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, yeah, I might do that.
[21:40] <edmoore> I love LaTeX still
[21:40] <edmoore> seeing word docs makes me weep
[21:40] <sbasuita> Seeing people send blank emails with content in word documents attached makes me weep
[21:40] <edmoore> All that mashed up and mauled kerning. It's genocide.
[21:40] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, you have to remember that someone recently tried to install portable openoffice at the toll of 300MB. This tipped the sysadmin off to the use of the portable apps - hence the deletion of all of them. He might not be in the mood right now
[21:40] <rjharrison> edmoore it's is most cool and is I deal for uni slides better than powerpoint. But I'm not convinced for the average user
[21:40] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, yeh, he destroyed my blender
[21:41] <edmoore> yes, I do often reply to emails containing .doc attachments and ask for a pdf
[21:41] <DanielRichman> blame simon... besides, he got banhammered, did you hear?
[21:41] <DanielRichman> edmoore, :)
[21:41] <DanielRichman> How open is PDF though?
[21:41] <DanielRichman> I forget
[21:41] <edmoore> rjharrison: i don't actually use it for slides as I think there are better packages for mixing graphics and text in a slide-like way
[21:41] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, nah, it never went through
[21:41] <edmoore> but for typing up documents, there's nothing like it
[21:41] <DanielRichman> What are these 'better packages'?
[21:41] <rjharrison> well that was 15 years ago when I was at uni
[21:41] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, pdf is nice and open iirc
[21:42] <edmoore> I use Keynote
[21:42] <sbasuita> apple?
[21:42] <edmoore> yep
[21:42] <sbasuita> I've seen some slick shows from that
[21:42] <rjharrison> If fact powerpoint is probably easier for that stuff depending on the multimedia content
[21:42] <DanielRichman> not true
[21:42] <DanielRichman> powerpoint & embedded video = pita
[21:42] <rjharrison> True
[21:43] <edmoore> I prefer Keynote over Powerpoint, though they're basically from the same mold
[21:43] <DanielRichman> well, it used to be. It's not too bad now...
[21:43] <rjharrison> I normally just break out fand show the video and then come back to the pres
[21:44] <DanielRichman> I recently pulled off a powerpoint presentation with ~ 8 embedded videos that went quite well suprisingly
[21:44] <DanielRichman> Much better than I expected
[21:44] <edmoore> keynote also has nice touches like letting your record some voice and making a podcast
[21:44] <DanielRichman> but Powerpoint inserts this painful flicker just before the video starts... ruining any hope of seamlessness
[22:02] <DanielRichman> Gtg
[22:02] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, see you tomorrow.
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