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[01:06] <Laurenceb> http://www65.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=PolarPlot[(1+%2B+0.9+Cos[8+t])+(1+%2B+0.1+Cos[24+t])+(0.9+%2B+0.05+Cos[200+t])+(1+%2B+Sin[t])%2C+{t%2C+-Pi%2C+Pi}]
[01:11] <natrium42> haha
[01:14] <Laurenceb> http://www60.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=can+entropy+be+reversed%3F
[01:16] <Laurenceb> http://www99.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=are+you+a+machine%3F
[01:22] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[01:22] <SpeedEvil> I should get you all to vote up my 'above the standard atmosphere' query
[01:22] <Laurenceb> ?
[01:22] <SpeedEvil> (t'll only give answers up to 60km?
[01:22] <SpeedEvil> or is it 30km
[01:23] <SpeedEvil> http://www65.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=atmosphere+20km
[01:23] <Laurenceb> up to 86
[01:23] <SpeedEvil> now try 200
[01:23] <Laurenceb> us standard atmosphere 1976
[01:24] <Laurenceb> above 86 the molar mass starts to change
[01:24] <SpeedEvil> Also - I haven't found a nice way of using that inffo
[01:24] <SpeedEvil> for example
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[01:25] <SpeedEvil> atmosphere 20km - sure - it gives a page of info.
[01:25] <SpeedEvil> So what.
[01:25] <SpeedEvil> How do I do:
[01:25] <SpeedEvil> Density of atmosphere at 20Km * 0.1*1m^2*(10m/s)^2
[01:26] <Laurenceb> (air density at 9Km)*0.8
[01:27] <SpeedEvil> which is comedically wrong
[01:29] <Laurenceb> lol
[01:31] <SpeedEvil> Google at least makes a stab at keeping the units consistent
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[01:44] <SpeedEvil> http://community.wolframalpha.com/story.php?title=above-the-standard-atmosphere-
[01:44] <SpeedEvil> the comment I made about lack of above
[01:47] <Laurenceb> ok, I dont have an account
[01:51] <SpeedEvil> it's instant - just email +captcha - no actual verification of email
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[03:54] <jiffe88> cool
[03:54] <jiffe88> I noticed they would return atmospheric pressure above 85499.999992799981999999999999m
[03:56] <jiffe88> wouldN'T that is
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[04:43] <natrium42> jiffe88, haha, trial and error?
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[08:59] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: http://www.algor.com/news_pub/cust_app/srs/images/prototyl.jpg
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[11:31] <rjharrison_work> ping m0tek:
[11:32] <rjharrison_work> m0tek: I'm thinking of supplying the following http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/time.png http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/altitude.png
[11:32] <rjharrison_work> Any other suggestions?
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[11:41] <Laurenceb> hi folks
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[13:54] <Laurenceb> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/
[13:54] <Laurenceb> ^ guess everyones seen that?
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[13:58] <SpeedEvil> I'm pondering getting a thinkpad x60s from ebay
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> think netbook, with 12" screen, and trackpoint
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> 12" 4:3
[13:59] <Laurenceb> whats the battery life?
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X60s
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> up to 8h in windows
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> trying to find recent results for linux
[14:03] <Laurenceb> quite nice
[14:03] <Laurenceb> but I prefer that thing I linked
[14:03] <Laurenceb> internal usb ports is really neat
[14:03] <Laurenceb> install 3G and a ton of storage
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> If the ports are large enough
[14:07] <Laurenceb> pity there dont seem to be any arm netbooks about yet
[14:11] <Laurenceb> oh someone ripped off me rocket idea /s
[14:12] <Laurenceb> http://www.smad.com/ie/ieframessr2.html
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> oh noes!
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/42x3550_04.pdf - check page 22 :)
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> From a different era of IBM
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[14:16] <SpeedEvil> Which lists under things you should not service as a part of the computer when on - motor generators
[14:18] <Laurenceb> pdf hangs firefox for some reason
[14:22] <Laurenceb> got any experience with latex?
[14:22] <Laurenceb> I'm trying to make a wrapfigure
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> sorry, no
[14:28] <Laurenceb> so annoying - the text flows aroubnd it... then doesnt flow back
[14:28] <Laurenceb> it goes to about 30% page width
[14:28] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if there is a ##latex
[14:29] <Laurenceb> yes
[14:29] <Laurenceb> they arent much help
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[14:42] <Laurenceb> http://www.andy-roberts.net/misc/latex/latextutorial6.html
[14:42] <Laurenceb> if I follow that example, the text doesnt flow dack correctly
[14:43] <Laurenceb> arg *back
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[15:26] <rjharrison_work> Any iphone users out there
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[15:29] <grummund> I thought about getting an iphone but then i saw what it does to people ;-p
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[16:03] <rjharrison_work> ok any one got a mobile web phone
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[16:46] <edmoore_> hi all
[16:50] <sbasuita> hello
[16:52] <rjharrison_work> hi edmoore
[16:52] <rjharrison_work> do you have access to web pages on your phone?
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[17:02] <rjharrison_work> ping edmoore_
[17:02] <edmoore_> helloo
[17:02] <edmoore_> no
[17:02] <rjharrison_work> do you have access to web pages on your phone?
[17:02] <rjharrison_work> oh ok
[17:02] <edmoore_> i have a crappy old nokia
[17:02] <rjharrison_work> np
[17:02] <rjharrison_work> Just thought you make like this http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php
[17:03] <edmoore_> ah glorious
[17:03] <edmoore_> oh actually
[17:03] <edmoore_> i had a thought
[17:03] <edmoore_> a really, really, really useful datapoint for that kind of page would be:
[17:04] <edmoore_> distance and range from launch site
[17:04] <edmoore_> sorry, range and bearing from launch site
[17:04] <edmoore_> much easier for brain to deal with than lats and longs
[17:04] <rjharrison_work> Ok I'll put it in
[17:09] <sbasuita> Mobile page is a great idea
[17:09] <rjharrison_work> Thanks
[17:09] <rjharrison_work> do you have an iphone?
[17:10] <sbasuita> rjharrison_work, i have an ipod touch
[17:11] <sbasuita> rjharrison_work, it is super for any internet page. Unfortunately, 99% of phones commit suicide on the harsh internets.
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[17:15] <rjharrison_work> try accessing http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php using the touch
[17:15] <rjharrison_work> Does it have gps on it?
[17:15] <rjharrison_work> sbasuita:
[17:16] Action: sbasuita does so
[17:16] <sbasuita> It can detect location based on ip addy
[17:16] <rjharrison_work> Cool
[17:17] <sbasuita> argh
[17:17] <sbasuita> out of battery
[17:17] <sbasuita> ; P
[17:17] <sbasuita> will charge for 5 mins
[17:17] <rjharrison_work> hey ho
[17:17] <rjharrison_work> Ok cool
[17:17] <rjharrison_work> Does it have that map app on it?
[17:19] <sbasuita> yes
[17:19] <sbasuita> you were meant to pay for firmware version 2.0
[17:19] <sbasuita> i just got the apple download link and did 'manual install' from itunes
[17:19] <sbasuita> *shrug* no problems
[17:21] <sbasuita> rjharrison_work, your co-ordinate links work
[17:21] <sbasuita> ; )
[17:24] <rjharrison_work> Cool
[17:24] <rjharrison_work> Do they link to the local map app?
[17:24] <rjharrison_work> Or to google maps
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[17:27] <rjharrison_work> !last jcoxon
[17:28] <sbasuita> rjharrison_work, to the local app
[17:28] <rjharrison_work> Cool
[17:28] <rjharrison_work> :)
[17:30] <KingJ> Just looked at the mobile.php site on my Nokia E71, looks fine
[17:31] <rjharrison_work> KingJ: Thanks
[17:31] <rjharrison_work> Does it auto update evey 10 secs?
[17:31] <rjharrison_work> I'm running a simulation launch on it at the moment
[17:31] <DanielRichman> Was about to ask if it was fake data ;)
[17:32] <rjharrison_work> hehe. My last launch
[17:32] <rjharrison_work> From last friday
[17:32] <KingJ> The page does reload, but I don't see any change in data
[17:32] <rjharrison_work> hull you should on the top payload
[17:33] <rjharrison_work> ICARUS II is a static test
[17:33] <rjharrison_work> hull = humm
[17:33] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_work, where do you store the data that's uploaded?
[17:33] <rjharrison_work> in a mysql table
[17:34] <KingJ> I'm looking at ICARUS 1, Telemetry is fixed at 2009-06-03 17:33:03, Position at51.856728,0.233106
[17:34] <rjharrison_work> DanielRichman: Soon there will be automatic realtime graphing http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/time.png
[17:34] <rjharrison_work> Like this
[17:34] <rjharrison_work> and http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/altitude.png
[17:34] <DanielRichman> nice
[17:34] <rjharrison_work> I implemented 8bitCRC into the listener last night too
[17:35] <KingJ> If I load it up in a proper desktop browser, it the data does change as it should
[17:35] <DanielRichman> Maybe it's being cached?
[17:35] <rjharrison_work> KingJ: Cool
[17:35] <rjharrison_work> Humm good point
[17:35] <KingJ> Quite possibly, i'll try it in Opera Mini instead of just the standard browser
[17:35] <rjharrison_work> I should set he no cache stuff
[17:35] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_work, I use this:
[17:35] <DanielRichman> Header('Cache-Control: must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0');
[17:36] <DanielRichman> and
[17:36] <DanielRichman> Header('Expires: 0');
[17:36] <KingJ> It could be the mobile operator's proxy
[17:36] <DanielRichman> so do you store the data in a mysql database or flat file server side?
[17:36] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_work, you could append a random value to the url
[17:37] <rjharrison_work> KingJ: Can you try again with that
[17:37] <rjharrison_work> I have made a minor fix
[17:37] <rjharrison_work> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache">
[17:38] <rjharrison_work> mysql server
[17:38] <DanielRichman> cool
[17:38] <rjharrison_work> I have a db with over 58million lines in ad it only takes a few milli seconds to access indexed data
[17:39] <DanielRichman> nice
[17:39] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_work, heads up: http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php?id=SBASUITA
[17:39] <DanielRichman> broken
[17:39] <DanielRichman> returns an infinite stream of newlines
[17:39] <KingJ> rjharrison_work: Still static, forced view over WLAN. Must be the browser
[17:39] <DanielRichman> Append a random value
[17:40] <rjharrison_work> Ok
[17:40] <DanielRichman> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="5;url=http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php?r=<?php mt_rand(); ?>" />
[17:40] <DanielRichman> no wait
[17:40] <DanielRichman> shove an echo in there ;)
[17:41] <rjharrison_work> Ok will do DanielRichman
[17:41] <KingJ> Dosen't refresh at all in Opera Mini (Standard browser at least shows a progress bar every 10 seconds indicating it is reloading, but appears to just reload from cache)
[17:42] <DanielRichman> KingJ, might be beacuse (just noticed) the META tags arn't inside <head>
[17:42] <KingJ> Ah
[17:42] <DanielRichman> I think they should be, not 100% sure
[17:42] <KingJ> Yes, they should
[17:42] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_work, ^^
[17:42] <rjharrison_work> OPPS
[17:42] <rjharrison_work> They are now
[17:43] <rjharrison_work> Sorry KingJ: Would you try again
[17:43] <KingJ> Ok
[17:45] <rjharrison_work> Bit of a pause going on with the up date at the moment
[17:45] <rjharrison_work> this was when we lost contact for a bt
[17:45] <rjharrison_work> ok updateing now
[17:46] <rjharrison_work> any joy?
[17:46] <KingJ> Also, you should put the rest of the stuff in <body>
[17:46] <rjharrison_work> hehe
[17:46] <rjharrison_work> and <html>
[17:46] <KingJ> Nothing changed over operator network, lets try over WLAN
[17:46] Nick change: G8KHW -> G8KHW|Away
[17:47] <DanielRichman> And when you're on a roll, add a doctype ;)
[17:47] <rjharrison_work> ok
[17:47] <KingJ> Then we can validate the page properly :P
[17:47] <rjharrison_work> html stuff sorted
[17:47] <DanielRichman> Just tried it on the N80 and it reloads & updates data great (vodafone)
[17:47] <DanielRichman> sorry
[17:47] <DanielRichman> that's over WLAN
[17:47] <KingJ> Ok, you need to close body too, and change the last HTML tag to a closing one
[17:48] <rjharrison_work> the body should have been closed
[17:48] <rjharrison_work> But he HTML one is now
[17:48] <rjharrison_work> humm doctype
[17:48] <rjharrison_work> any suggestions
[17:49] <rjharrison_work> Thanks DanielRichman
[17:49] <DanielRichman> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
[17:49] <DanielRichman> I use that one normally
[17:49] <DanielRichman> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.robertharrison.org/mobile.php
[17:50] <KingJ> Still not updating for me
[17:51] <KingJ> The DOCTYPE goes at the very top, before <html>
[17:51] <DanielRichman> KingJ, beat me to saying that ;)
[17:51] <DanielRichman> I was half way through typing :)
[17:54] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_work, I've done quite a bit on validating pages before - If you're busy at _work, I'm willing to fix that page up
[17:54] <rjharrison_work> yep well the validator hates me
[17:54] <rjharrison_work> DanielRichman cool
[17:54] <rjharrison_work> onesec
[17:55] <sbasuita> rjharrison_work, is the dl-fldigi build ok now on cygwin?
[17:55] <rjharrison_work> well it does with the --no-libcurl option :)
[17:55] <rjharrison_work> Thanks
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[18:12] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_work, ?
[18:13] <rjharrison_work> Nearly
[18:13] <rjharrison_work> There
[18:13] <DanielRichman> sorry ;)
[18:13] <rjharrison_work> Just setting you up an account
[18:13] <DanielRichman> You don't have to do that :)
[18:13] <DanielRichman> FTP or SSH?
[18:19] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_work, you a lawyer?
[18:19] <rjharrison_work> hehe no
[18:19] <rjharrison_work> A partner in a law firm
[18:19] <DanielRichman> Ah
[18:19] <rjharrison_work> I have just been here too long
[18:19] <DanielRichman> cool :)
[18:20] <rjharrison_work> IT Director for what it's worth
[18:20] <DanielRichman> nice. was just checking out where the site was hosted, curiosity ;)
[18:21] <DanielRichman> If it's trouble just post the source or rename the .php to a txt. It's fine, honestly
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[18:22] <rjharrison_work> DanielRichman sorry just doing worky stuff at the same time
[18:22] <rjharrison_work> 5 secs now
[18:22] <DanielRichman> Nono, there's no rush! I'm just saying, you don't need to set up an account if it's time consuming
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[18:26] <rjharrison_work> bolox this is not working for some reason
[18:27] <DanielRichman> seriously
[18:27] <DanielRichman> copy paste the .php into a PM
[18:27] <rjharrison_work> ok
[18:27] <rjharrison_work> here it comes
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[18:29] <DanielRichman> hehe
[18:29] <DanielRichman> Your client isn't throttling. That's a bummer
[18:29] <DanielRichman> Three ideas coming up:
[18:29] <DanielRichman> 1) Netcat
[18:29] <DanielRichman> 2) email
[18:29] <DanielRichman> 3) rename/copy the .php to a .txt
[18:30] <sbasuita> Ouch, which client is that?
[18:30] <rjharrison_work> pasebin
[18:31] <DanielRichman> didn't think of that ;)
[18:31] <DanielRichman> I'm too medieval; netcat :X
[18:34] <DanielRichman> rjharrison_work, I'm guessing that there were tabs in here before? they've been squashed (by VI, I guess?) to 8 spaces. Shall I restore them?
[18:35] <rjharrison_work> Yep sure
[18:35] <DanielRichman> k
[18:35] <rjharrison_work> I'm going to have to dash
[18:35] <rjharrison_work> Will be back online in a bit
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[18:42] <sbasuita> (got pwned for not doing his law work stuff) :P
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[18:42] <DanielRichman> considering he's in the partnership I don't think there's really a boss to pwn him
[18:46] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, there's always someone higher up whose job is to smite you
[18:46] <DanielRichman> :o
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> Or a specially convened smiting committee.
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[18:51] <DanielRichman> .val http://www.richmanwebsite.co.uk/mobile.php
[18:51] <herabot> DanielRichman: http://www.richmanwebsite.co.uk/mobile.php is Valid
[18:51] <DanielRichman> headshot.
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[18:54] <DanielRichman> KingJ, you there?
[18:59] <natrium42> ohai
[18:59] <natrium42> DanielRichman, when's launch? :)
[18:59] <DanielRichman> What launch :P?
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[19:07] <DanielRichman> ping KingJ
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[19:13] <DanielRichman> hmm
[19:13] <DanielRichman> bbl
[19:14] <jcoxon> hey all
[19:15] <jcoxon> rjharrison summoned my presence
[19:21] <sbasuita> jcoxon, <rjharrison_work> I'm going to have to dash
[19:21] <sbasuita> <rjharrison_work> Will be back online in a bit
[19:21] <sbasuita> * rjharrison_work has quit ()
[19:21] <sbasuita> was at half six
[19:21] <natrium42> yo jcoxon
[19:25] <jcoxon> hey natrium
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[19:25] <natrium42> :(
[19:39] <DanielRichman> lol
[19:41] <DanielRichman> ping KingJ
[19:41] <DanielRichman> how have you emailed sbasuita?
[19:42] <natrium42> DanielRichman, !summon * summons jcoxon
[19:42] <natrium42> he's got 3 emails now
[19:42] <DanielRichman> natrium42, I suspected that
[19:42] <DanielRichman> right
[19:42] <DanielRichman> there we go
[19:42] <natrium42> he's going to disable that now :(
[19:42] <DanielRichman> nah, it'll be fine
[19:42] <DanielRichman> everybody's curious
[19:43] <DanielRichman> and it's not *too* well known?
[19:43] <sbasuita> >_>
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[19:43] <DanielRichman> Now we're asking for trouble :D
[19:43] <sbasuita> oh no
[19:43] <sbasuita> he's here
[19:43] <sbasuita> ; O
[19:43] <DanielRichman> With a bit of coordinated flooding I reckon zeusbot could become a new spamhost
[19:43] <natrium42> <natrium42> !summon the devil * akawaka (n=akawaka@external.treyarch.com) has joined #highaltitude
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[19:44] <sbasuita> lol
[19:44] <natrium42> rjharrison, we have already summoned him
[19:44] <natrium42> like 4 times
[19:44] <DanielRichman> (5 times)
[19:44] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, threw up the page on my site to test it http://www.richmanwebsite.co.uk/mobile.php
[19:44] <DanielRichman> .val http://www.richmanwebsite.co.uk/mobile.php
[19:44] <herabot> DanielRichman: http://www.richmanwebsite.co.uk/mobile.php is Valid
[19:45] <DanielRichman> Haven't been able to contact KingJ to see if the refresh-cache issue is solved, but did my best on that score
[19:45] <DanielRichman> how would you like your source?
[19:45] <rjharrison> hehe can you scp it over
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[19:47] <natrium42> \o/
[19:47] <jcoxon> oi
[19:47] <DanielRichman> IT WAS natrium42 !
[19:47] <jcoxon> stop summoning
[19:48] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, you summoned me 3 times!
[19:48] <natrium42> lol, DanielRichman
[19:48] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, I was trying to summon sbasuita
[19:48] <DanielRichman> <DanielRichman> !summon sbasuita
[19:48] <DanielRichman> but apparantly that emails you
[19:48] <DanielRichman> sorry
[19:48] <natrium42> jcoxon, peer disconnected you
[19:48] <natrium42> damn peer
[19:48] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, you can only summon me
[19:48] <jcoxon> as it only knows my address
[19:49] <jcoxon> how can i help?
[19:49] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, I was thinking that it would either magick sbasuita's address out of nowhere (zeus-style) or fail. But as I was informed after...
[19:49] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, I believe natrium42 wanted to see you
[19:49] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, shall we add it :-)
[19:50] <rjharrison> Yey
[19:50] <DanielRichman> I think NickServ lets you set an email address
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[19:50] <DanielRichman> or set it public
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[19:51] <sbasuita> Now playing: http://www.saichotictech.net/loituma.swf
[19:51] <sbasuita> Such a tune...
[19:51] <DanielRichman> -.-
[19:51] <DanielRichman> flash has crashed
[19:51] <DanielRichman> AGAIN!
[19:52] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, too much awesome
[19:52] <natrium42> DanielRichman, 64 bit ubuntu?
[19:52] <DanielRichman> natrium42, yes
[19:52] <natrium42> you need to uninstall nonfree flash using apt
[19:52] <natrium42> and grab the 64 bit apha from adobe's site
[19:52] <DanielRichman> Hmm
[19:52] <natrium42> at put it into plugins folder manually
[19:53] <DanielRichman> Can I get it from medibuntu?
[19:53] <DanielRichman> that would be preferable.
[19:53] Action: DanielRichman checks
[19:53] <DanielRichman> or perhaps backports.
[19:53] <natrium42> don't think so
[19:53] <sbasuita> never had any flash problems
[19:53] <sbasuita> on ubuntu
[19:54] <sbasuita> amd64
[19:54] <natrium42> nspluginwrapper crashes for some reason with 32 bit flash that you get from the repo
[19:54] <natrium42> you need the 64 bit alpha version
[19:54] <DanielRichman> Oh right, I see
[19:54] <sbasuita> really? I just type `sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree' and all is good
[19:54] <natrium42> and uninstall nspluginwrapper and flash nonfree
[19:54] <DanielRichman> Rofl, there's a lot of crap in medibuntu
[19:54] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, medibuntu is win
[19:54] <natrium42> sbasuita, but are you on 64 bit?
[19:54] <sbasuita> natrium42, yes (amd64 <-----)
[19:55] <natrium42> it works for a while, but then you get white or gray rectangles where flash should be
[19:55] <DanielRichman> Oh
[19:55] <DanielRichman> that's not good
[19:55] <DanielRichman> it wants to get rid of i32-libs
[19:55] <natrium42> alpha fixes it
[19:55] <DanielRichman> skype needs those!
[19:56] <natrium42> which package?
[19:56] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, send the yagi pics
[19:56] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, want to take another look
[19:56] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, eerm...
[19:56] <DanielRichman> iirc, binned.
[19:56] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, what did you do with the yagi?
[19:57] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, in the wardrobe. Why do want pics?
[19:57] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, for the lulz
[19:57] <DanielRichman> ...
[20:00] <DanielRichman> natrium42, this is the right one? http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[20:00] <DanielRichman> Ok. That's stupid. They offer a tar.gz with one file in it!
[20:00] <natrium42> yes
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[20:01] <sbasuita> .val DanielRichman
[20:01] <herabot> sbasuita: http://DanielRichman is Abort
[20:02] <sbasuita> ; (
[20:02] <sbasuita> joke failed
[20:02] <sbasuita> thanks to python
[20:02] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, you should have tested it.
[20:02] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, i kno
[20:02] <DanielRichman> schoolboy error
[20:02] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, i had to restart herabot
[20:02] <DanielRichman> Now then. Plugins folder...
[20:02] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I noticed that
[20:04] <DanielRichman> Excellent! It's working, and at a much better speed to (no more 100% core hogging)
[20:05] <DanielRichman> natrium42, thanks very much!
[20:05] <natrium42> np
[20:06] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, from medibuntu?
[20:06] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, no, I downloaded from adobe
[20:06] <DanielRichman> see link above
[20:12] <rjharrison> hey natrium42
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[20:19] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, http://alienproject.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/yagi-contruction-part-1/
[20:19] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, cool
[20:24] <jcoxon> sbasuita, hehe, i appreciate my quote
[20:24] <sbasuita> jcoxon, alex's comical genius
[20:25] <DanielRichman> ..."and to recuperate I dug into Daniels extensive supplies of Cadburys Twirl. "
[20:25] <DanielRichman> You would not believe it
[20:25] <DanielRichman> We have a box of twirls in the garage.... took alex 3 minutes to spot one, and I swear they ate 4 between them
[20:26] <DanielRichman> I found twirl wrappers everywhere
[20:27] <jcoxon> sbasuita, DanielRichman impressed by the range of the FT-790r in regards to receiving radio?
[20:27] <jcoxon> from the weekend's launch?
[20:28] <sbasuita> very
[20:28] <sbasuita> although I have nothing to compare it with
[20:28] <sbasuita> ; P
[20:28] <DanielRichman> yeah, it's encouraging
[20:28] <jcoxon> its a nice raio
[20:28] <jcoxon> radio*
[20:30] <sbasuita> Shame about the 70cm limitation....
[20:30] <jcoxon> it does the job
[20:31] <sbasuita> yep
[20:32] <sbasuita> going down to the local club monthly meeting in one week
[20:32] <jcoxon> oh cool
[20:32] <sbasuita> hopefully someone can show me how do pass the practical exam
[20:32] <jcoxon> oh thats the fun bit
[20:32] <sbasuita> what sort of stuff do i have to do?
[20:32] <jcoxon> oh its things like learn how to converse over the radio
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[20:32] <jcoxon> set up an antenna
[20:33] <jcoxon> not kill yourself with hte powersupply
[20:33] <jcoxon> play around with morse
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[20:33] <jcoxon> nothing difficult
[20:33] <sbasuita> morse :S
[20:33] <sbasuita> i think they give a lot of leeway though right?
[20:33] <sbasuita> like one character at a time, repeat it if you need, paper and pen
[20:33] <jcoxon> oh you can't fail i don' t think
[20:33] <DanielRichman> do you still have to learn it? I thought it was removed
[20:33] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, you get a reference sheet
[20:33] <jcoxon> its just to introduce you to it
[20:34] <jcoxon> i got to play on 2m and also on HF
[20:38] <DanielRichman> we missed the course though. Do you reckon that just turning up at the meeting and asking for halp would be acceptable?
[20:39] <jcoxon> you'll probably need to wait for the next course
[20:39] <jcoxon> as while the exam is easy the practical requires a bit of organisation on their part
[20:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita,
[20:39] <jcoxon> usually the do courses when they have enough people
[20:39] <sbasuita> mmm
[20:39] <sbasuita> thing is they just finished one
[20:39] <sbasuita> so it will be a long time till the next
[20:39] <jcoxon> so perhaps if you can find a few people who might be interested
[20:40] <jcoxon> perhaps school
[20:40] <jcoxon> then they'll put something on for you
[20:40] <sbasuita> how many do you think?
[20:40] <jcoxon> not sure
[20:40] <sbasuita> well, i'm going to turn up on wednesday anyway
[20:40] <jcoxon> would have to ask what - the club i did my course at required 6 people
[20:40] <jcoxon> to make it worthwhile hiring the hall
[20:41] <sbasuita> That's what the guy I emailed said
[20:41] <sbasuita> But he will apparently talk to the other guys and see if they can arrange something
[20:41] <jcoxon> but considering that amateur radio is a dying hobby they are keen to expand
[20:41] <sbasuita> mmm
[20:41] <DanielRichman> dying hobby? bleh
[20:41] <sbasuita> They're not going to turn away another ham in the bracknell area
[20:41] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, What's the official status on encryption over radio? (Just curious, remembered this)
[20:41] <sbasuita> oh yeha
[20:42] <jcoxon> encryption isn't allowed
[20:42] <jcoxon> you can use standard protocols
[20:43] <DanielRichman> oh?
[20:43] <jcoxon> but it must be possible to decode the data
[20:43] <DanielRichman> ah.
[20:43] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, gotta be steneographic then ;)
[20:43] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, nah
[20:43] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, nobody is going to be like "OMG CANT SPY ON THEM MUST FOX THEIR HOUSE AND CALL FBI"
[20:43] <DanielRichman> no, cause it's england
[20:43] <DanielRichman> so they'll call OFCOM
[20:43] <jcoxon> the point of amateur radio though isn't for that
[20:43] <jcoxon> its an open exchange of info
[20:44] <DanielRichman> yeah
[20:44] <DanielRichman> but It means no VPNs over HF ;)
[20:44] <jcoxon> i would try networking over HF anyway
[20:44] <sbasuita> People aren't going to be suspicious if they can't decode some digital
[20:44] <jcoxon> urgh propergation would kill you
[20:44] <sbasuita> There are a million different modes
[20:45] <jcoxon> sbasuita, you'd be suprised...
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[20:45] <jcoxon> oh i'm pretty good at recognising a digital mode according to its trace on a waterfall
[20:45] <sbasuita> Hmm...
[20:46] <DanielRichman> hehe
[20:46] <jcoxon> but guys, its not for that sort of thing
[20:46] <jcoxon> use tinternet
[20:46] <DanielRichman> Yeah
[20:46] <jcoxon> its for chatting to people
[20:46] <DanielRichman> indeed
[20:46] <jcoxon> and seeing how far you can transmit etc
[20:46] <jcoxon> hence why i don't really bother :-)
[20:46] <sbasuita> hehe
[20:46] <DanielRichman> Do most people use their radios with a mic and possibly a morsekey rather than a computer?
[20:46] <DanielRichman> generally?
[20:47] <jcoxon> ummm depends
[20:47] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, depends on whether you're talking about the general population or a general subset of a specific portion of the general population
[20:47] <DanielRichman> Thanks for that.
[20:48] <jcoxon> incerasingly people use computers
[20:48] <jcoxon> as its easier
[20:48] <jcoxon> but morse isn't the only mode
[20:48] <jcoxon> psk31 is incredibly popular
[20:48] <jcoxon> tons of it on 40m
[20:48] <sbasuita> that's just FM with two frequencies right?
[20:49] <jcoxon> its usually ssb
[20:50] <DanielRichman> lol; the photo on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSK31
[20:50] Action: sbasuita contemplates trolling over the air
[20:51] <DanielRichman> trolling?
[20:51] <jcoxon> sbasuita, don't open that can of worms
[20:51] <DanielRichman> go back to 4chan if you're going to troll
[20:51] <jcoxon> amateur radio was where trolling begun
[20:51] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, have you ever witnessed bad things happening over the airwaves?
[20:51] <jcoxon> urgh
[20:51] <sbasuita> the possibilities...
[20:51] <sbasuita> ; P
[20:52] <jcoxon> basically there is no amateur radio in central london i've found
[20:52] <DanielRichman> What does psk31 have over RTTY except for crazy variable char lengths?
[20:52] <jcoxon> due to abuse
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> much better spectral efficiency
[20:52] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, the range is far better
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> and hence range for a given power
[20:53] <DanielRichman> ok
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[20:55] <DanielRichman> arrgh, something bad is happening to my internet
[20:55] <DanielRichman> it's like I'm in the slowlane
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[20:56] <DanielRichman> Has youtube gone down?
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> not loading for me
[20:56] <DanielRichman> tried telnet
[20:57] <edmoore> me neither
[20:57] <DanielRichman> just doesn't respond
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckMvj1piK58 )
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> what ISP
[20:57] <DanielRichman> "Server Error"
[20:57] <DanielRichman> some google page with a server error (502) on it
[20:57] <DanielRichman> Maybe they're being DDoS'd
[20:57] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, TalkTalk
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> youtube loaded
[20:58] Action: SpeedEvil is with plusnet
[20:59] <DanielRichman> Connected to youtube.co.uk.
[20:59] <DanielRichman> Escape character is '^]'.
[20:59] <DanielRichman> GET /
[20:59] <DanielRichman> Connection closed by foreign host.
[20:59] <DanielRichman> daniel@daniel-desktop:~$
[20:59] <DanielRichman> well that's working
[20:59] <sbasuita> youtube is fine
[20:59] <sbasuita> slow though
[20:59] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, far from it
[20:59] <DanielRichman> Whoa I got a page
[20:59] <DanielRichman> after about 50 seconds
[21:00] <DanielRichman> here we go: https://twitter.com/#search?q=youtube
[21:02] <sbasuita> twitscoop shot themselves in the foot
[21:02] <sbasuita> they want me to sign in to see their servic e
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[21:59] <jcoxon> ping G8KHW|Away
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[22:28] <rjharrison> Ping G8KHW|Away
[22:40] Nick change: G8KHW|Away -> G8KHW
[22:41] <G8KHW> jcoxon:yo
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[22:41] <G8KHW> rjharrison:yo
[22:42] <rjharrison> G8KHW
[22:42] <rjharrison> Do you add CR/LF to the end of your string
[22:42] <rjharrison> or just LF
[22:44] <G8KHW> cr lf in that order
[22:45] <rjharrison> hehe
[22:45] <rjharrison> Just spent a few hours wondering wtf was going on
[22:45] <rjharrison> I forgot DOS uses CRLF
[22:45] <rjharrison> fixed now :)
[22:46] <rjharrison> You will need to install the latest version of the client soon
[22:46] <rjharrison> Will take me 20 mins to get it up
[22:46] <rjharrison> Shouldn't crash anymore either
[22:48] <natrium42> G8KHW, got any temp sensors on board?
[22:49] <rjharrison> natrium42: That reminds me I need to upgrade my tables to include temp
[22:49] <G8KHW> nope - just the basics - tracker + camera
[22:49] <natrium42> rjharrison, good idea
[22:50] <natrium42> rjharrison, do you think two fields for temp is good?
[22:50] <natrium42> internal + external
[22:50] <rjharrison> yep I have 3
[22:50] <rjharrison> int ext and cam
[22:50] <rjharrison> but 2 is fine
[22:50] <natrium42> ah
[22:50] <G8KHW> I had some sensors (analoge) in the past but want to swap to using I2C sensors
[22:50] <natrium42> maybe a TEXT field for sensor data then
[22:50] <rjharrison> I couldn't think of any more
[22:50] <natrium42> not sure if there will be a performance impact
[22:51] <rjharrison> I have the idea of custom data stored in a text filed separated 2;4;5;5 like that
[22:51] <natrium42> yep, maybe with field names too
[22:51] <natrium42> that way the javascript can just grab whatever you give to it
[22:51] <natrium42> and show the fields
[22:52] <rjharrison> Yep but you will have to radio tx them which is not good
[22:52] <natrium42> your dl-fldigi could add them in
[22:53] <natrium42> dunno, i want to add a missin settings screen
[22:53] <natrium42> perhaps fields would be configurable there
[22:53] <natrium42> missin = mission
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[22:56] <natrium42> another thing we need is a 'via' field
[22:56] <natrium42> i.e. the list of stations that received that particular position
[22:57] <natrium42> that way the map will be able to show lines to the stations which received a pos, a la aprs.fi
[22:58] <rjharrison> hehe I like it I can give you that info if you like via php
[22:58] <natrium42> cool, i was wondering whether it would be possible to integrate with your system
[22:59] <rjharrison> remind me do you keep the sequence or counter in your table
[22:59] <rjharrison> If so we can link posters to the counter/cycle
[22:59] <natrium42> no, right now it's auto-inc
[23:00] <natrium42> for each new position
[23:00] <natrium42> does your flight computer send position id?
[23:01] <rjharrison> ok well an extra field to store the id of the telemetry and you are sorted
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[23:01] <rjharrison> all payload here send aout a unique id per telem
[23:01] <natrium42> what happens if your flight comp reboots?
[23:02] <natrium42> is it stored in eeprom?
[23:02] <rjharrison> ahh
[23:02] <rjharrison> well
[23:02] <rjharrison> I think mine start back at 1
[23:02] <rjharrison> it never happens :)
[23:02] <rjharrison> well occasionally
[23:03] <natrium42> this could in theory be detected though
[23:03] <natrium42> the ids could be based on modulus, so you just roll over past a cutoff
[23:05] <rjharrison> yep true
[23:05] <rjharrison> or i could detect in the listener
[23:17] <rjharrison> G8KHW: Files nearly up
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[23:24] <rjharrison> all windows users of dl-fldigi need to upgrade asap
[23:25] <rjharrison> G8KHW you need to do this for your payload to work and you should not get any more crashes
[23:25] <rjharrison> http://code.google.com/p/dl-fldigi/downloads/list
[23:28] <rjharrison> nights all
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[23:34] <fergusnoble> hello
[23:35] <jcoxon> fergusnoble, !
[23:35] <jcoxon> welcome back
[23:35] <fergusnoble> yes, im back in the land of the living
[23:36] <fergusnoble> finished exams
[23:36] <jcoxon> excellent
[23:36] <fergusnoble> hows things?
[23:36] <edmoore> hi fergusnoble
[23:36] <jcoxon> not bad thanks
[23:37] <fergusnoble> edmoore: hi
[23:37] <jcoxon> am on placement so tres busy
[23:37] <edmoore> though a brief hi, I am spending the next 3 days in the land of the dead, till project deadline on sat
[23:37] <jcoxon> edmoore, we've updated dl-fldigi a bit more
[23:37] <jcoxon> now it setups up the rtty shift, baud and ascii settings
[23:37] <fergusnoble> ok, got lots more tweaking to do on your scrolling? ;)
[23:37] <edmoore> ok, will have an install, but probs not till sat
[23:38] <edmoore> ha, no, that's all long since done
[23:38] <jcoxon> np
[23:38] <edmoore> it's image proc comp tomoorow
[23:38] <edmoore> final report on fri
[23:38] <fergusnoble> ok cool
[23:38] <edmoore> then 'the customer has changed the spec' mods to the software, and final report for that in on sat
[23:38] <edmoore> then all done
[23:39] <fergusnoble> oh that really sucks
[23:39] <fergusnoble> i guess its good experience for the real world
[23:40] <edmoore> pm
[23:41] <fergusnoble> edmoore: that chip I was looking at was the CC1110 btw
[23:41] <fergusnoble> its TI not cypress
[23:41] <edmoore> ok ta
[23:41] <edmoore> right, I am off t'bed. See you later all
[23:42] <jcoxon> yeah i'm off too
[23:42] <fergusnoble> did natrium ever have any luck with the venus gps?
[23:42] <fergusnoble> edmoore: night
[23:42] <jcoxon> night
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[23:42] <edmoore> fergusnoble: i beleive so yes, though he can obv answer. see you soon
[23:42] <fergusnoble> ok, ye
[23:42] <fergusnoble> bye
[23:44] <natrium42> yo fergusnoble
[23:44] <natrium42> where have you been?
[23:44] <fergusnoble> hey natrium42!
[23:44] <natrium42> yeah, venus works
[23:44] <fergusnoble> ive had exams so i kinda went underground
[23:44] <natrium42> hehe
[23:45] <fergusnoble> oh awesome, what antenna?
[23:45] <fergusnoble> hows things been your end?
[23:45] <natrium42> i tried a helix as well a few different patches
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[23:45] <natrium42> pretty good, thanks
[23:46] <fergusnoble> cool, so whats new in the world of highaltitude?
[23:46] <fergusnoble> i notice the tracker has come on a lot
[23:47] <natrium42> hehe, it needs a rewrite :P
[23:47] <natrium42> rjharrison did a launch with a 3 kg balloon last week
[23:48] <natrium42> but no new records unfortunately
[23:49] <natrium42> ascent rate decreased and it stayed at over 30km for too long and popped
[23:50] <fergusnoble> yeah, ed said it might have been a gravity wave?
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> Wow!
[23:50] <fergusnoble> shame it sounded like a new record for sure, was a really light payload no?
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> Amateur detection of astrophysical phenomena that billions have been spent on!
[23:51] <fergusnoble> SpeedEvil: hi
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> (or not)
[23:51] <natrium42> fergusnoble, iirc 0.5kg
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> yeah - some sort of upper air turbulence
[23:51] <SpeedEvil> or vortex - cause not well understood
[23:51] <natrium42> pictures of sunrise were awesome though
[23:52] <fergusnoble> maybe a temperature inversion? not sure if they happen that high though
[23:52] <fergusnoble> natrium42: are the pics on the web?
[23:52] <natrium42> yep, rjharisson's flickr account
[23:53] <natrium42> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/sets/72157618814637849/
[23:54] Nick change: KingJ -> kingj
[23:57] <fergusnoble> nice
[23:59] <fergusnoble> so what is this new modded fldigi?
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