highaltitude.log.20090524

[00:00] <edmoore> time has flown
[00:00] <edmoore> i should be in bed
[00:00] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:00] <edmoore> geting up early
[00:00] <jcoxon> oh right
[00:01] <jcoxon> what for?
[00:02] <edmoore> iridium flare
[00:02] <jcoxon> oh right
[00:02] <jcoxon> 2 mins for this os x binary?
[00:03] <jcoxon> no compiling required
[00:03] <edmoore> ok
[00:03] <jcoxon> http://code.google.com/p/dl-fldigi/downloads/list
[00:04] <edmoore> seems to run
[00:04] <jcoxon> great
[00:04] <jcoxon> whats teh plan for tomorrow?
[00:06] <edmoore> not sure what time i'm turning up
[00:06] <edmoore> will text steve in the morning
[00:06] <jcoxon> fair enough
[00:06] <edmoore> i'll leave the icom running
[00:06] <jcoxon> any computer control?
[00:07] <jcoxon> can i vnc to tune it?
[00:07] <edmoore> i will probs ge a human to do it
[00:07] <jcoxon> fair enough
[00:07] <jcoxon> cool cool
[00:08] <jcoxon> right i'm off
[00:08] <jcoxon> night
[00:08] <edmoore> c u
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[00:17] <Laurenceb> hi
[00:18] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: have you considered steam engine style injectors for rocket motors?
[00:21] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: what do you mean
[00:21] <Laurenceb> the injectors used on steam engine boilers
[00:22] <SpeedEvil> no - I suspect they'd be too large - cast iron is heavy too
[00:23] <Laurenceb> not the actual injectors :P
[00:24] <Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_injector
[00:26] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: I don't see how that helps
[00:26] <Laurenceb> no moving parts, nice and simple
[00:26] <SpeedEvil> err
[00:26] <Laurenceb> unfortunately stopping it from melting could be hard
[00:26] <Laurenceb> s/steam/gas from combustion chamber
[00:26] <SpeedEvil> you mean you have a high pressure oxidant stream, and a low pressure fuel?
[00:27] <SpeedEvil> and try to entrain teh fuel in the oxidant stream?
[00:27] <Laurenceb> I'm not sure yet...
[00:27] <Laurenceb> the principle is interesting, just wondering if it could be applied to rockets
[00:27] <SpeedEvil> for biprop, the injectors need to be complex
[00:27] <Laurenceb> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Boiler_Feed_Injector_Diagram.svg
[00:28] <SpeedEvil> basically you need to form two sets of sprays that intersect at acute angles formed of the different propellants
[00:28] <Laurenceb> yes
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> especially in small engines
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[00:30] <SpeedEvil> the desire to get a nice fine spray means you need high energy/volume in the spray production process
[00:30] <SpeedEvil> which means a decent pressure drop across the nozzle
[00:30] <Laurenceb> yeah
[00:30] <SpeedEvil> This is less important if you've got a big engine - but for small ones it's critical
[00:57] <SpeedEvil> s/engine/combustion chamber/
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[01:44] <Laurenceb> cya
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[01:56] <josepharmbruster> do you guys have a link to the project where the group attached a model aircraft to a weather balloon ?
[01:58] <SpeedEvil> laurenceb - who just left - did it with a rollago
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[02:57] <jiffe98> they launch the aircraft from the balloon?
[02:57] <SpeedEvil> yes
[02:57] <SpeedEvil> he did
[02:58] <jiffe98> awesome
[02:58] <SpeedEvil> it had control issues - he's relaunching sometime soon
[02:58] <jiffe98> cool
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[08:20] <jcoxon> morning all
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[08:48] <edmoore> morning jc
[08:48] <edmoore> jcoxon, even
[08:48] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[08:48] <jcoxon> how was the flare?
[08:48] <edmoore> sod that for a bunch of bananas
[08:49] <edmoore> just wasn't happening at 4.12am
[08:49] <jcoxon> hehe
[08:49] <edmoore> shame though, it was mag -8
[08:49] <edmoore> would have probably dazzled me and lost my night vision
[08:51] <jcoxon> oh there is a new copy of the client
[08:52] <edmoore> oh?
[08:53] <jcoxon> it remembers which payload you selected to track
[08:54] <edmoore> seems to work
[08:54] <edmoore> how can i actually set it up to upload with my details?
[08:55] <jcoxon> in the operator tab
[08:56] <edmoore> what's the link to rob's site to check it's working?
[08:57] <jcoxon> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[08:57] <jcoxon> you need to fill in your callsign before it'll send an update
[08:59] <edmoore> have done
[08:59] <edmoore> not much going on
[09:00] <jcoxon> hmmm
[09:00] <jcoxon> could you reopen it
[09:01] <jcoxon> it only sends updates every 15 mins
[09:01] <edmoore> i assume unless it's actually got data to send?
[09:02] <jcoxon> yes
[09:02] <jcoxon> well there are 2 forms of data
[09:02] <jcoxon> the status update that you are running the client - every 15mins
[09:02] <jcoxon> and then the actually data
[09:02] <edmoore> have re-opened
[09:03] <edmoore> does the python client still work?
[09:03] <jcoxon> no
[09:03] <jcoxon> edmoore, this will take 1 min
[09:03] <jcoxon> go into to terminal and open it from there
[09:03] <jcoxon> it'll dump a load of debug data
[09:04] <jcoxon> the python client 'should' still work
[09:04] <jcoxon> though it really hasn't been tested in weeks
[09:05] <edmoore> no debug info
[09:06] <jcoxon> oh
[09:06] <jcoxon> thats really odd
[09:06] <jcoxon> did you cd into the app and find the actual binary?
[09:08] <edmoore> no
[09:08] <jcoxon> fldigi-3.11.4.app/Contents/MacOS
[09:09] <jcoxon> e.g. /Volumes/fldigi-3.11.4/fldigi-3.11.4.app/Contents/MacOS
[09:11] <edmoore> yep yep did it
[09:11] <edmoore> entered the details
[09:11] <edmoore> 2 minutes ago
[09:12] <jcoxon> sorry
[09:12] <jcoxon> and still no output?
[09:12] <edmoore> not on rob's site
[09:12] <jcoxon> in the terminal itself?
[09:13] <edmoore> 1243152789
[09:13] <jcoxon> anything like:
[09:13] <jcoxon> Send status update
[09:13] <jcoxon> 2009-05-24 09:06:14
[09:13] <jcoxon> CHILD: received "string=ZZ,M6JCX,2009-05-24 09:06:14,51.498,-0.0529,FT817,MOXON&identity=M6JCX"
[09:13] <jcoxon> 0
[09:14] <edmoore> no
[09:14] <jcoxon> this is really sad
[09:14] <jcoxon> it doesn't work :-( !
[09:15] <edmoore> location of latest python client?
[09:16] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/wiki/doku.php?id=dlistening:client:dlclient7.py
[09:16] <jcoxon> though i'm not sure it'll work
[09:16] <edmoore> ok. well we might have to be deaf today then from cambridge
[09:16] <jcoxon> okay
[09:17] <jcoxon> i'm thinking its a curl issue
[09:18] <jcoxon> edmoore, could i ssh into your laptop and compile the code?
[09:20] <edmoore> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[09:20] <jcoxon> oooo python?
[09:20] <edmoore> yes
[09:20] <jcoxon> excelent
[09:20] <edmoore> it works, let's not f with it. it's flight day.
[09:21] <jcoxon> i'm not sure if it'll be happy with steve's telem string
[09:21] <jcoxon> its a little unusual
[09:21] <edmoore> i might just take it with me
[09:21] <edmoore> where are you?
[09:21] <jcoxon> london
[09:21] <jcoxon> i'm not coming down
[09:21] <edmoore> no suffolk listening?
[09:21] <jcoxon> injured my back a few days
[09:22] <jcoxon> ago
[09:23] <edmoore> is there anything listening in soffolk?
[09:24] <jcoxon> no
[09:24] <jcoxon> we are best placed this flight
[09:24] <edmoore> we = ?
[09:24] <jcoxon> the group
[09:24] <jcoxon> we aren't*
[09:24] <edmoore> agreed
[09:24] <jcoxon> my typing is awful today
[09:26] <jcoxon> we need to find someone in yarmouth/lowestoft
[09:26] <jcoxon> to complete the coverage
[09:26] <edmoore> right, i am going to go and sort myself out. If you have 2 mins, a worthshile thing might be double checking that the client can deal with steve's telem string
[09:26] <jcoxon> will do
[09:26] <edmoore> i will be back in about 8 mins
[09:26] <edmoore> that's about the last chance i'll have to faff with this
[09:30] <edmoore> on another note, not that i am a conspiracy theorist, but I note that we've never actually seen natrium42 and roger federer in the same room...
[09:35] <jcoxon> edmoore, now i'm confused!
[09:37] <jcoxon> edmoore, the client should work
[09:37] <jcoxon> it worked on the wav file i have
[09:38] <jcoxon> its too late anyway to change anything
[09:45] <edmoore> ok cool
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[09:54] <Futurity> moning
[09:58] <jcoxon> hey Futurity
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[10:08] <g1zvn> ping edmoore
[10:09] <g1zvn> jcoxon are you in the yahoo ballooning list?
[10:09] <jcoxon> yes
[10:09] Nick change: g1zvn -> mc_
[10:10] <mc_> edmoore might be interested in the rockoon post
[10:10] <jcoxon> yes an intereting thread
[10:11] <mc_> it might not be legal in the usa
[10:11] <jcoxon> the replies are a little negative
[10:13] <mc_> if its legal here that would be great
[10:17] Nick change: sbasuita_ -> sbasuita
[10:19] <mc_> it would be good to do a few small rockoon launches to set a precedent
[10:19] <mc_> jcoxon, can you ask b brown to forward his email on rockoons
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[10:23] <Futurity> hi everyone
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[10:23] <jcoxon> hey Futurity
[10:23] <Futurity> hi
[10:24] <Futurity> Just been speaking to Robert on the phone
[10:24] <jcoxon> oh cool
[10:24] <Futurity> he'll be at the launch for around 11am he thinks
[10:24] <jcoxon> right
[10:24] <Futurity> i've got the kids right now
[10:24] <jcoxon> http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/
[10:24] <jcoxon> that is where he is
[10:24] <Futurity> and Robert needs to ask Steve first if he'd mind them being there (which is understandable)
[10:25] <jcoxon> yup steve is sometimes hard to catch
[10:25] <Futurity> if i can go
[10:25] <Futurity> then i'll take my telescope and try and optically track it
[10:25] <Futurity> well i'd rather Steve was happy
[10:25] <Futurity> it's his launch
[10:26] <Futurity> great racker Robert has
[10:26] <Futurity> btw should i be using real names here or irc names?
[10:27] <jcoxon> we mainly use irc names
[10:27] <Futurity> o
[10:27] <Futurity> i'll get used to it soon i'm sure
[10:27] <jcoxon> :-)
[10:28] <Futurity> it turns out that my transceiver does support AM as well as FM (It appears to have been hacked)
[10:28] <Futurity> but unfortunately only FM for the 430MHz band :(
[10:28] <jcoxon> but not SSB
[10:29] <Futurity> it's a real shame
[10:29] <Futurity> i take it that within a band, you can transmit in any format you choose
[10:29] <Futurity> i mean at that low power
[10:29] <jcoxon> 10mW or less
[10:29] <jcoxon> yes
[10:30] <Futurity> shame i can't help out on software
[10:30] <Futurity> but hopefully another pair of hands will help
[10:30] <jcoxon> yup
[10:30] <Futurity> off to test my transceiver further and get the telescope prepared
[10:31] <Futurity> ttfn
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[10:47] <g1zvn> edmoore, did you see the yahoo ballooning list chat?
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[11:23] <mc_> jcoxon,is zeusbot alive?
[11:24] <jcoxon> yup
[11:24] <jcoxon> oh
[11:24] <jcoxon> perhaps not
[11:25] <jcoxon> let me check
[11:27] <jcoxon> fixed
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[11:50] <rharrison_eee> Hi all
[11:51] <rharrison_eee> at least another hour
[11:51] <jcoxon> hey rob
[11:51] <jcoxon> oh, not going well?
[11:52] <rharrison_eee> Just slow you know what it's like
[11:52] <rharrison_eee> This is the most complex pay load I have seen to date
[11:52] <jcoxon> oh cool
[11:52] <jcoxon> well i'm ready
[12:00] <rharrison_eee> Ok will shout ar the 30 min mark
[12:01] <rharrison_eee> we havent even got the gas out yet
[12:05] <jcoxon> fair enough
[12:06] <rharrison_eee> Nice day though
[12:07] <jcoxon> :-)
[12:08] <jcoxon> stuck indoors
[12:08] <jcoxon> got my antenna higher then usual, so should be able to pick stuff up
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[12:16] <rharrison_eee> col
[12:16] <rharrison_eee> cool
[12:17] <rharrison_eee> Neil has just arrived
[12:28] <jcoxon> how are the DL clients
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[12:35] <rharrison_eee> james can u flush the data
[12:35] <rharrison_eee> on my site
[12:35] <jcoxon> yup
[12:35] <jcoxon> one se
[12:36] <jcoxon> done
[12:44] <rharrison_eee> Ok data should be comming through
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[12:46] <mib_0iwu0f> it take it, that the launch hasn't taken place yet?
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[12:47] <jcoxon> oops
[12:47] <jcoxon> missed mib_0iwu)f
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[12:50] <jcoxon> hey all
[12:50] <cuddykid> hi
[12:51] <cuddykid> I guess the launch hasn't taken place yet?
[12:51] <jcoxon> not yet
[12:51] <jcoxon> soon
[12:52] <cuddykid> exciting now!
[12:54] <jcoxon> cuddykid, you coming through spacenear.us?
[12:54] <cuddykid> yes
[12:54] <jcoxon> cool
[12:56] <jcoxon> it'll probably be 30mins or so
[12:56] <cuddykid> ok, i'll have a break and tune in in a few mins!
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[12:59] <jcoxon> hey jatkins
[13:00] <jatkins> hi
[13:00] <jatkins> launch today?
[13:00] <jcoxon> launch soon
[13:00] <jcoxon> yup
[13:00] <jatkins> cool
[13:00] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[13:00] <jatkins> rjharrison's payload?
[13:00] <jcoxon> payloads online
[13:00] <jcoxon> no steves
[13:00] <jatkins> cool
[13:00] <jatkins> i got at commands working w/ hyperterminal
[13:01] <jatkins> i just had the wrong baud rate (it uses 19200 bps)
[13:01] <jatkins> i'm not sure how to connect it to my mcu though
[13:01] <rharrison_eee> Another hour
[13:01] <jatkins> do i need to use a max232?
[13:02] <jatkins> or 3232
[13:03] <jcoxon> jatkins, ummm depends
[13:03] <jcoxon> whats your phone?
[13:03] <jatkins> nokia 6210
[13:04] <jatkins> it uses a dlr-3p cable
[13:04] <jcoxon> most phones are ttl voltage
[13:04] <jcoxon> so can go with mcus
[13:04] <jatkins> it has 2.7v vcc
[13:04] <jcoxon> you'll need to reduce your arduino voltage a litt
[13:04] <jatkins> cable ->> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Elekratek-Nokia-Serial-Cable-DAT_N51/dp/B000K2U22E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1243166679&sr=8-2
[13:04] <jcoxon> as in a small voltage divider to reduce it
[13:05] <jatkins> yeah
[13:05] <jatkins> i tried that before
[13:05] <jatkins> but I think you have to go through the db-9
[13:05] <jatkins> which is rs-232 level
[13:05] <jcoxon> no no
[13:05] <jatkins> becuase there's a pic inside which converts to at commands
[13:05] <jatkins> otherwise it's fbus
[13:05] <jcoxon> really?
[13:05] <jatkins> yeah
[13:05] <jcoxon> that is a new approach
[13:05] <jatkins> oh
[13:06] <jcoxon> most of the time those cables just change the voltage
[13:06] <jatkins> i tried bypassing the db-9 converter (there'sa pic inside it )
[13:06] <jcoxon> you sure its a pic?
[13:06] <jatkins> i thinkso
[13:06] <jatkins> have you done at commands w/a phone that uses a dlr-3?
[13:06] <jatkins> it's the same for 6310
[13:07] <jatkins> yeah, it's a pic: http://www.atrox.at/datacable/dlr3/index.html
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[13:08] <jcoxon> hmmm thats not a 'real' dlr3 cable
[13:08] <Laurenceb> hi folks
[13:08] <jatkins> ok
[13:08] <jatkins> hi
[13:08] <Laurenceb> any launches coming up?
[13:08] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, yes today
[13:08] <jcoxon> jatkins, i'm not so sure
[13:08] <jatkins> jcoxon: i'm not using that one (using the one from amazon)
[13:08] <Laurenceb> - I'm busy afraid
[13:08] <Laurenceb> whos launching?
[13:08] <jcoxon> steve
[13:08] <jcoxon> jatkins, sure
[13:08] <jcoxon> let me investigate
[13:09] <jatkins> thx
[13:09] <Laurenceb> jcoxon: when are you launching?
[13:09] <jcoxon> not sure
[13:09] <jcoxon> been busy with the DL client recently
[13:09] <Laurenceb> any idea what steve is flying?
[13:10] <jcoxon> yes dual payload
[13:10] <jcoxon> with cameras
[13:10] <Laurenceb> nice, all his payloads?
[13:10] <jcoxon> yes
[13:10] <jcoxon> on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[13:12] <Laurenceb> hey nice page
[13:12] <Laurenceb> oh thats natriums?
[13:12] <jcoxon> yes
[13:12] <jcoxon> jatkins, the DLR-3 is just a voltage converter
[13:12] <Laurenceb> that place looks familiar
[13:14] <jatkins> jcoxon: ok
[13:14] <jatkins> thx
[13:14] <jatkins> from 2.7 v to rs-232?
[13:14] <jcoxon> yes
[13:14] <jatkins> oh cool
[13:14] <jcoxon> e.g. http://www.kukkuk.dk/blog/2008/10/27/converting-a-nokia-dlr-3-data-cable-to-a-33v-jtag/
[13:14] <jatkins> i'll just do a voltage divider
[13:15] <jatkins> thx for link
[13:15] <jcoxon> the connector on the cable would be a good way to connect to the phone
[13:15] <jatkins> yeah
[13:15] <jcoxon> i used to remove the db-9 end
[13:15] <jatkins> yeah
[13:15] <jatkins> there's 3 wires inside
[13:15] <jatkins> tx,rx,and gnd i guess
[13:15] <jcoxon> yup
[13:16] <Laurenceb> gtg
[13:16] <Laurenceb> good luck with the flight
[13:16] <Laurenceb> cya
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[13:19] <jatkins> jcxon:so
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[13:19] <jatkins> 220 ohms
[13:19] <jatkins> plus 47 ohms
[13:19] <jatkins> for a voltage divider
[13:19] <cuddykid> I'm back!
[13:19] <jcoxon> jatkins, there are some calculators on line
[13:19] <jatkins> (220 ohms / 267 ohms) * 3.3 = 2.719
[13:19] <jcoxon> cuddykid, theyv'e had a little bit more of a delay
[13:19] <jcoxon> jatkins, oh is your arduino 3.3v?
[13:20] <jatkins> yeah, arduino pro mini
[13:20] <jcoxon> oh right
[13:20] <jcoxon> then don't worry
[13:20] <jcoxon> it can tolerate 2.7/3.3
[13:20] <jatkins> oh ok
[13:20] <jcoxon> i thought you had a 5v arduino
[13:20] <jatkins> i have got one,but not using for this flight
[13:20] <jcoxon> good move
[13:20] <jcoxon> 3.3v is much easier to work with
[13:20] <jatkins> yeah ... for gps and logomatic etc.
[13:21] <jcoxon> so yeah you should be able to conect the phone directly
[13:21] <jatkins> i'll have a go with the phone now and let you know when i get it working
[13:21] <jatkins> yeah
[13:21] <jcoxon> great
[13:21] <jatkins> thx for the help
[13:21] <jcoxon> np
[13:21] <jcoxon> hte launch will be cool if you are free this afternoon
[13:22] <jatkins> yeah
[13:22] <jatkins> i'll follow online
[13:22] <jatkins> are you going to help launch it?
[13:22] <jcoxon> no i'm in london
[13:22] <cuddykid> what a great day for launch!
[13:22] <jcoxon> couldn't go up for this launch
[13:22] <jatkins> oh right :)
[13:22] <jatkins> yeah
[13:22] <jcoxon> will track from here + making sure everything works
[13:22] <jcoxon> cuddykid, yeah
[13:22] <jatkins> yeah
[13:22] <jcoxon> perfect day
[13:23] <jcoxon> and good jetstream
[13:23] <jcoxon> no too strong
[13:23] <cuddykid> yeh
[13:23] <jatkins> bbl
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[13:24] <cuddykid> when do you reckon it will be launched?
[13:24] <jcoxon> hmmm 30mins
[13:24] <jcoxon> the cutdown fired on the ground
[13:24] <jcoxon> so needs to be replaced and the code checked
[13:25] <cuddykid> not good! Gives me time for lunch!
[13:25] <jcoxon> hehe
[13:26] <jcoxon> cuddykid, how did you find out about the launch?
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[13:26] <g1zvn> jcoxon, I think zuesbot has stopped logging
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[13:26] <jcoxon> hmmm
[13:26] <jcoxon> i fixed it a minute ago
[13:26] <g1zvn> thanks
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[13:35] <g1zvn> edmoore?
[13:35] <jcoxon> he is at the launch
[13:35] <g1zvn> ok
[13:36] <jcoxon> right
[13:36] <jcoxon> launch coming up
[13:36] <g1zvn> do you know bill brown?
[13:36] <g1zvn> could you ask him to forward the email he sent about rockoons
[13:36] <jcoxon> i could email him
[13:37] <jcoxon> i've spoken to him online before and emailed him
[13:37] <g1zvn> please
[13:37] <g1zvn> looks like he was refused permission
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> rockoons - as in attempted orbital?
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> or just sub
[13:38] <jcoxon> there is a website about it g1zvn
[13:38] <jcoxon> he got special permission
[13:38] <jcoxon> as long as it was off the coast
[13:38] <jcoxon> used a barge
[13:38] <g1zvn> yes seen all his halo stuff
[13:38] <jcoxon> thats it
[13:39] <jcoxon> he hasn't tried since
[13:39] <g1zvn> its very impressive
[13:39] <g1zvn> but we can do better
[13:39] <jcoxon> hehe
[13:39] <g1zvn> I know a few ppl with boats
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> 'All I need is a tall ship, and a star to steer her by. Oh - and some helium'
[13:44] <g1zvn> i think a sea launch is the best best place for a rockoon
[13:44] <jcoxon> agreed
[13:44] <jcoxon> on the sahara
[13:45] <g1zvn> or launch from land and recover at sea
[13:45] <g1zvn> morroco
[13:45] <g1zvn> can you get He there?
[13:46] <jcoxon> probably but not cheaply
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> what are the rockoon aims?
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[13:49] <g1zvn> get some experience is one aim
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> propellant?
[13:50] <g1zvn> solids to keep it simple
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> you know manufacturing solids is possibly illegal under the fireworks act?
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> At least - anything involving making the solid element
[13:51] <g1zvn> I wnat to start with an estes
[13:51] <cuddykid> Hi all, do we have an update on lauch time?
[13:53] Action: SpeedEvil has orbital ambitions.
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> Though no actual plans over a few sheets of (virtual) A4.
[13:54] <jcoxon> cuddykid, no updates
[13:54] <jcoxon> but XABEN5 is online
[13:54] <jcoxon> so quite soon i expect
[13:55] <jcoxon> its a complicated payload
[13:55] <jcoxon> so quite a few things to set up
[13:56] <cuddykid> ok, cool
[14:01] <jcoxon> 2 mins
[14:01] <jcoxon> positioning for launch
[14:02] <cuddykid> here we go..!
[14:07] <jcoxon> ...
[14:09] <jcoxon> i've deleted the points on the ground
[14:09] <jcoxon> so if you refresh spacenear.us you'll get a better track
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[14:10] <cuddykid> launched!
[14:11] <jcoxon> yup
[14:11] <jcoxon> just in time
[14:18] <cuddykid> going along nicely
[14:21] <jcoxon> yeah
[14:25] <cuddykid> what radios do you use?
[14:26] <jcoxon> i'm using a Yaesu FT-817 to receive
[14:28] <cuddykid> I am atempting my first flight in the summer and using maxsteam 2.4ghz modems!
[14:28] <jcoxon> ooo cool
[14:28] <jcoxon> cuddykid, where are you based?
[14:29] <cuddykid> worcester
[14:29] <jcoxon> oh right
[14:29] <jcoxon> what sort of power are you thinking?
[14:30] <cuddykid> using 8 AA lithiums to power radio
[14:30] <jcoxon> oh i mean the output power on the modems
[14:31] <cuddykid> oh! 100mW I think
[14:31] <cuddykid> using some high gain antennas i hope to get around 20mile range if lucky!
[14:32] <jcoxon> why the 2.4ghz modems?
[14:32] <jcoxon> there are better options :-)
[14:32] <cuddykid> i will also use gsm transmitter as backup
[14:32] <cuddykid> I don't know, good question!
[14:32] <jcoxon> e.g
[14:32] <jcoxon> right now we are using 10mW 434 transmitters
[14:32] <jcoxon> and i'm picking it up in london
[14:33] <cuddykid> oh, a lot more powerful:/!
[14:33] <cuddykid> wow
[14:33] <cuddykid> where did you get those from?
[14:33] <jcoxon> radiometrix
[14:33] <cuddykid> ok
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[14:37] <jcoxon> can someone work out the ascent rate
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[14:44] <jcoxon> getting good data :-D
[14:45] <cuddykid> yeh, are you the one updating the map with the data you are receiving?
[14:48] <jcoxon> yes, a number of us are
[14:48] <jcoxon> the system is nearly automated
[14:48] <jcoxon> just occasioanlly get rogue data
[14:48] <jcoxon> which gives weird points
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[15:23] <jcoxon> 10km!
[15:23] <jcoxon> very slow ascent rate
[15:23] <jcoxon> about 2.3m/s
[15:23] <jatkins> still ascending?
[15:24] <jatkins> did it launch after 12 then?
[15:24] <jcoxon> it launched at 15.10 :-)
[15:24] <jatkins> ah:)
[15:25] <jatkins> jcoxon: i tried with the phone
[15:25] <jatkins> no luck
[15:25] <jatkins> i tried both 19200 bps and 300 bps on every wire
[15:25] <jatkins> (there were 9 wires)
[15:25] <jatkins> (unlike another dlr-3 i had with just 3 wires)
[15:26] <jatkins> http://moo.pl/~tygrys/balloon/ says 6310 works at 300 bps; with the db-9 on, my 6210 operated at 19200
[15:29] <cuddykid> what is the max altitude you are predicting? 30km?
[15:29] <jcoxon> yup
[15:30] <jcoxon> i need to add some more data checking to stop the ridiculous rogue points
[15:30] <cuddykid> do you think you will need to use cutdown as the ocean is getting ever closer!!
[15:30] <jcoxon> its a worry
[15:30] <jcoxon> the ascent rate is lower then planned
[15:30] <jcoxon> its hard to judge on the ground
[15:31] <jcoxon> but after 3hours it'll cutdown
[15:31] <jcoxon> so we might be okay
[15:31] <cuddykid> yeh, hopefully
[15:37] <jcoxon> ping natrium42
[15:40] <natrium42> hey
[15:41] <jcoxon> you busy?
[15:41] <jcoxon> could you delete some rogue points?
[15:41] <jcoxon> on spacenear.us
[15:42] <natrium42> sure
[15:42] <jcoxon> thanks :-)
[15:42] <jcoxon> its a bit of a mess
[15:42] <jcoxon> need more checks on the client
[15:47] <natrium42> ok, fixed
[15:47] <jcoxon> thanks
[15:47] <natrium42> np
[15:47] Action: natrium42 is also watching shuttle landing coverage
[15:48] <jatkins> ~50 minutes till touchdown of the shuttle
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> Is it going at 18 times the speed of light now?
[15:48] <jatkins> mach 18, i think
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> so it'll be where - about at entry interface or a bit beyond
[15:48] <natrium42> lol, does CNN say that again?
[15:48] <jatkins> just after entry interface i think
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> I imagine not
[15:49] <jatkins> they said a few minutes ago it was just about to enter
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[15:49] <jatkins> jcoxon: should i try with the voltage divider instead of just directly connecting the arduino to the phone?
[15:50] <jcoxon> jatkins, i think the key is identifiying the right wires
[15:50] <jatkins> i've tried all of them without a voltage divider
[15:51] <jcoxon> so you've got a cable and its got 9 wires?
[15:51] <jatkins> i had another dlr-3p, it had only three wires - blue, white, and black. i assume black is always gnd
[15:51] <jatkins> yeah
[15:51] <jcoxon> well we can work it out
[15:51] <jcoxon> multimeter?
[15:51] <jatkins> blue,white,orange,yellow,green,red, and black
[15:51] <jatkins> yup
[15:51] <jcoxon> whats the phone?
[15:51] <jatkins> nokia6210
[15:51] <jatkins> 2.7v vcc
[15:52] <jcoxon> http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_5110_6110_pinout.shtml
[15:52] <jatkins> thx
[15:52] <jatkins> i've seen that page before..it doesn't tell you the pinout for the cable though
[15:53] <jatkins> black is definitely gnd though
[15:53] <jatkins> i've tested it
[15:57] <jatkins> okay, the white wire is showing up as +2.7v
[15:57] <jatkins> when i use the black wire as ground
[15:58] <jcoxon> jatkins, what you want to do
[15:59] <jcoxon> is see if there is connection between each wire and the pins
[15:59] <jcoxon> as we know the pinout we can work out which wire is which
[15:59] <jatkins> ok
[15:59] <jatkins> so the black wire is pin 9
[16:00] <jatkins> the white wire could be pin 4 (dlr vcc according to pinout)
[16:00] <jatkins> ..apparently pin 4 is also signal gnd
[16:00] <jatkins> so i've probably being using the wrong gnd
[16:01] <rharrison_eee> yo
[16:01] <rharrison_eee> it's ed
[16:01] <jcoxon> jatkins, coult be that
[16:01] <jcoxon> hey ed
[16:01] <jatkins> jcoxon:i'll try using that as gnd
[16:01] <jcoxon> rharrison_eee, reckon cutdown in 10 mins
[16:01] <rharrison_eee> really??
[16:01] <jcoxon> 3 hour mark is at 16.10
[16:02] <rharrison_eee> gmt bst
[16:02] <rharrison_eee> 1hr 10 mins
[16:02] <jcoxon> bst
[16:02] <jcoxon> oh
[16:02] <jcoxon> oops
[16:02] <jatkins> SpeedEvil: my bad, apparently just coming up to entry interface
[16:03] <rharrison_eee> it's just breaking out of the js
[16:05] <jcoxon> yeah
[16:06] <jcoxon> natrium42 has cleaned up spacenear.us
[16:08] <jcoxon> rharrison_eee, its cool seeing hte position of the chase car
[16:10] <rharrison_eee> it saved us
[16:10] <rharrison_eee> we think we'll overtake it pretty soon
[16:11] <rharrison_eee> it's about to start doing a lot of vertical
[16:13] <natrium42> is this logged with the dl fldigi?
[16:14] <jcoxon> yup
[16:15] <jcoxon> hence the rogue points :-)
[16:15] <natrium42> hehe, but very cool still
[16:16] <natrium42> jcoxon, where are you seeing the chase car?
[16:17] <jcoxon> http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/
[16:17] <natrium42> ah, gotcha
[16:18] <natrium42> they are following pretty well
[16:18] <natrium42> :)
[16:18] <natrium42> might be able to seee the landing, eh?
[16:18] <SpeedEvil> 10 quid, if they catch it before it hits the ground :)
[16:19] <jcoxon> natrium42, we need to add receiver stations and chase cars to spacenear
[16:19] <jcoxon> :-)
[16:19] <jcoxon> http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p]
[16:19] <jcoxon> oops
[16:19] <jcoxon> http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p
[16:19] <natrium42> yeah
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[16:26] <Futurity> Hi Everyine
[16:26] <Futurity> couldn't have asked for better weather for the launch
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[16:29] <rharrison_eee> hi Futurity
[16:29] <rharrison_eee> it's ed
[16:30] <rharrison_eee> Futurity: http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/
[16:31] <Futurity> hi ed
[16:31] <Futurity> you on IRC in the car
[16:31] <Futurity> or back in Cambridge>
[16:32] <rharrison_eee> the car
[16:32] <Futurity> it still seems to be climbimg even though it's past Thetford
[16:33] <jcoxon> yeah its still going up
[16:33] <Futurity> impressed how close you are to it
[16:33] <Futurity> looks like the direction is moving around a fair bit in the last few minutes
[16:34] <rharrison_eee> it does that
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> tenner if you catch it before it hits the ground
[16:34] <rharrison_eee> it's breaking out of the wind and will start going almost completely vertically now
[16:35] <jatkins> shuttle nearly home http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
[16:36] <jatkins> three minutes till touchdown
[16:37] <jcoxon> oooo cross over
[16:37] <Futurity> near miss ;)
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> Is htere a cutdown on this?
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[16:41] <jcoxon> SpeedEvil, yes
[16:41] <Futurity> Balloon heading south
[16:41] <Futurity> tracking party heading north
[16:41] <cuddykid> congradulations Atlantis!
[16:42] <jatkins> yup
[16:42] <jatkins> awesome mission
[16:45] <Futurity> Ed you still here?
[16:45] <jcoxon> oops getting messy
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[16:46] <Futurity> they are going cross country now :)
[16:47] <Futurity> Ed can you ask Steve if he knew of Bill Condliffe?
[16:47] <rharrison_eee> willdo in a bit - he is in a seperate car
[16:48] <Futurity> ok
[16:48] <Futurity> I inherited his rig
[16:49] <jcoxon> Futurity, do you know his callsign?
[16:49] <jcoxon> often thats how people know each other
[16:49] <jcoxon> interesting, the radio has nicely stablised for me
[16:51] <rharrison_eee> cutdown in maybe 20 mins
[16:51] <jcoxon> yup
[16:51] <rharrison_eee> hi james
[16:51] <rharrison_eee> just pulled over
[16:51] <jcoxon> hey
[16:52] <jcoxon> hows the client?
[16:52] <Futurity> any prediction on the landing site?
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[16:55] <jcoxon> Futurity, perhaps north of beccles
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[16:58] <jatkins> jcoxon: i've tried all the wires with white as gnd, still not working (300 bps)
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[16:59] <jcoxon> jatkins, on your multimeter
[16:59] <jcoxon> is there an image of a diode?
[16:59] <jatkins> oh
[16:59] <jatkins> yeah
[16:59] <jcoxon> okay you can use that to check which pins correspond to which wires
[16:59] <jcoxon> find gnd, tx and rx
[16:59] <jcoxon> don't worry about the rest
[16:59] <jatkins> ok
[17:00] <jatkins> what will show up when it's tx?
[17:00] <jcoxon> well basically with that it'll show you if there is a connection between the 2 points
[17:00] <jcoxon> test it on something
[17:01] <jatkins> ok
[17:01] <jcoxon> like a bit of metal
[17:01] <jatkins> ok
[17:02] <jatkins> just 0.00 on a piece of wire
[17:02] <jcoxon> and on something no conductive?
[17:02] <jcoxon> non*
[17:03] <jatkins> ok
[17:03] <jcoxon> like the air?
[17:03] <jatkins> 1
[17:03] <jcoxon> okay cool
[17:03] <jcoxon> so now you can touch one of the wires
[17:03] <jcoxon> and work out which pin it connects to
[17:03] <jatkins> ok
[17:05] <jatkins> 715 between black and blue
[17:05] <jcoxon> hmmm i mean the pins on the connector
[17:05] <jatkins> oh right
[17:05] <jatkins> sorry :)
[17:05] <jcoxon> so the black wire leads to pin 9 :-)
[17:05] <jcoxon> no worries
[17:06] <jcoxon> 5 mins till cutdown...
[17:07] <jatkins> 342 between pins 4 and 9
[17:07] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:08] <jcoxon> so whats the value between the end of the black wire and the pin on the connector that connects to the base of the phone?
[17:09] <jatkins> which pin is the base one?
[17:09] <jcoxon> so you have the cable
[17:09] <jatkins> yeah
[17:09] <jcoxon> and at one end is a db9?
[17:09] <jcoxon> or have you removed that?
[17:09] <jatkins> i've removed it
[17:09] <jatkins> i can put it back on
[17:10] <jcoxon> no no
[17:10] <jcoxon> at the other end you have a small connector with 9 little pins
[17:10] <jatkins> yeah
[17:10] <SpeedEvil> you can use a soundcard and a 20:1 attenuator as a scope for 232
[17:11] <jcoxon> so the wires you've exposed by cutting off the db-9 lead to those pins
[17:11] <jatkins> yeah
[17:11] <jcoxon> so if you touch pin 9 on the little connector with the exposed wires
[17:11] <natrium42> looks like cutoff occurred
[17:11] <jcoxon> you can work out which leads to which
[17:11] <rharrison_eee> on cue
[17:11] <natrium42> coming down now
[17:11] <natrium42> :)
[17:11] <jcoxon> natrium42, yup
[17:11] <jatkins> well there's 7 wires
[17:11] <jatkins> nine pins on the phone
[17:11] <jatkins> but the connector only connects to seven
[17:12] <jatkins> the first two are for the charger
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[17:12] <jcoxon> $$XABEN6,707,16:10:15,52.46293,0.97962,27602,0.0,0.0,,,,,52.52748;1.23708
[17:12] <jcoxon> $$XKBEN6,708,16:10:35,52.46212,0.97991,27658,0/0,0.0,,,,,Pyro2 Reason 1
[17:12] <jcoxon> $$XABEN6,709,16:10:55,52.46146,0.98012,27158,0.0,0.0,,,,,Descending
[17:17] <jcoxon> its spinning quite a bit
[17:17] <natrium42> xaben6 died?
[17:18] <natrium42> ah, there it is
[17:18] <jcoxon> im providing xaben6 data
[17:18] <jcoxon> its beginning to push my range
[17:18] <jcoxon> with its wobbling as well
[17:18] <natrium42> gotcha
[17:18] <jcoxon> they are still attached though
[17:18] <jcoxon> so eaither will do
[17:19] <jcoxon> its descending incredibly fast
[17:20] <mib_4ot9ix> is there a secondary chute going to be deployed?
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[17:21] <jcoxon> the orignal plan was for xaben5 to cut away from xaben6
[17:21] <DanielRichman> How did the launch go?
[17:21] <jcoxon> but we didn't reach the cutdown alt and instead reached teh 3hr mark
[17:21] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, just on the descent
[17:21] <DanielRichman> Wow, still up?
[17:22] <jcoxon> yup
[17:22] <mib_4ot9ix> what parachutes are you using?
[17:22] <natrium42> jcoxon, time stamps seem to be a bit messed up
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> even going in the right direction. 10m/s or so down
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> so 20 mins?
[17:25] <jcoxon> natrium42, which payload?
[17:25] <natrium42> xaben6
[17:25] <jcoxon> oh i'm not getting clear copies
[17:25] <natrium42> kk
[17:25] <jcoxon> i'm to far away
[17:26] <natrium42> so time stamps are sent from payload?
[17:26] <jcoxon> yup
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> make that a bit faster - maybe 15m/s
[17:28] <DanielRichman> remind me how high up the jetstream is?
[17:29] <jcoxon> 9000m
[17:29] <DanielRichman> so that balloon is no where near it. Going quite fast though
[17:30] <DanielRichman> and you appear to have no xaben6 points? is only one person listening?
[17:30] <jcoxon> now only 1 is
[17:30] <jcoxon> i'm not getting good enough copies
[17:30] <DanielRichman> ahh
[17:30] <jcoxon> its a bit of a push from london :-)
[17:30] <jcoxon> when it descends it swings around which makes it harder
[17:31] <DanielRichman> hmm
[17:31] <jcoxon> not sure why steve isn't logging
[17:31] <DanielRichman> does he have an internet connection?
[17:31] <jcoxon> he is probably on the move
[17:32] <jcoxon> its okay - 1 good listener is fine
[17:32] <DanielRichman> yeah
[17:32] <DanielRichman> it's going to come down very soon by the looks of thigns
[17:32] <DanielRichman> Ouch. That map sure makes firefox work
[17:33] <jcoxon> its happy on my firefox
[17:33] <jcoxon> okay, 1min - bets for landing coords
[17:33] <DanielRichman> It's perfectly fine on mine too. Just using twice as much RAM as it usally does
[17:33] <jcoxon> there are a lot of points
[17:33] <jcoxon> are you using spacenear.us?
[17:33] <DanielRichman> yeah.
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[17:34] <DanielRichman> better ;)
[17:34] <jcoxon> http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/
[17:34] <jcoxon> oooo rob and ed are on the move
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> tasburgh
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[17:35] <SpeedEvil> actually - nowhere near that far
[17:35] <natrium42> DanielRichman, you can also follow in google earth --> http://spacenear.us/tracker/track.kml
[17:35] <mib_4ot9ix> its going to be a fairly hard landing!
[17:35] <jcoxon> flordon
[17:35] <DanielRichman> natrium42, haven't got it installed
[17:35] <natrium42> pfft
[17:36] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, really bad things have happened on robertharrison.org for xaben6
[17:36] <mib_4ot9ix> my prediction - lat=52.5092359729, lon=1.22998488253
[17:36] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, oh we know
[17:36] <DanielRichman> what went wrong? or don't you know
[17:36] <SpeedEvil> foncet st mary looks about right
[17:36] <jcoxon> oh i know
[17:36] <jcoxon> rogue chars get through
[17:36] <jcoxon> natrium42 fixes them on spacenear.us
[17:37] <jcoxon> we haven't finished implmenting the checking rules on hte client
[17:37] <DanielRichman> ahh
[17:37] <DanielRichman> is natrium42 on spacenear.us pulling from robertharrison.org? or do the clients push to both
[17:37] <jcoxon> robertharrison pushes to spacenear
[17:37] <jcoxon> spacenear is the front for all this
[17:38] <jcoxon> robertharrison is the experiemental bit
[17:38] <jcoxon> e.g. with the chase car tracking
[17:38] <DanielRichman> ahh
[17:38] <natrium42> looks like 1090m is as good as it gets
[17:38] <DanielRichman> and all the server side is just a bunch of php scripts?
[17:39] <DanielRichman> How are the chase-car points being uploaded?
[17:39] <jcoxon> 'just' :-D
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> 234m!
[17:39] <SpeedEvil> almost
[17:39] <jcoxon> chase car are via gps and posting to teh server
[17:39] <jcoxon> but we are going to intergrate that into the dl-client
[17:40] <DanielRichman> posting over a 3g dongle?
[17:40] <jcoxon> yup
[17:40] <mib_4ot9ix> three cheers!
[17:40] <DanielRichman> ah. Can't they upload the radio that they receive in the chase car?
[17:40] <jcoxon> they are as well
[17:40] <jcoxon> 3 is providing the data of 1
[17:40] <jcoxon> i provided teh data for 2
[17:41] <Futurity> has it landed?
[17:41] <natrium42> yes
[17:41] <Futurity> fantastic
[17:41] <Futurity> it's been a really cool day
[17:42] <jcoxon> :-)
[17:42] <SpeedEvil> what was the last alt?
[17:42] <natrium42> Futurity, have you been at the launch?
[17:42] <Futurity> yep
[17:42] <Futurity> took some photos for Steve
[17:42] <Futurity> just got to eat some food on the table
[17:42] <natrium42> cool
[17:42] <Futurity> back after that
[17:42] <Futurity> very fun day
[17:43] <natrium42> now we can watch rjharrison drive up to the payload live
[17:43] <natrium42> :)
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> with luck
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> nice day for it
[17:43] <SpeedEvil> It looks lovely and clear on google-maps.
[17:45] <mib_4ot9ix> how do we watch rjharrison drive up to payload live?
[17:46] <jcoxon> very close to where HAPS-1 landed
[17:46] <jcoxon> mib_4ot9ix, are you coming through spacenear.us?
[17:46] <mib_4ot9ix> yes
[17:46] <jcoxon> http://www.robertharrison.org/tracker/
[17:46] <jcoxon> its the experiemental version
[17:46] <mib_4ot9ix> great, thanks
[17:46] <jcoxon> a bit messy
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> mib_4ot9ix: the position for the payload should pop back up
[17:46] <jcoxon> but has the car tracking
[17:46] <jcoxon> mib_4ot9ix, also /nick xxxxxx
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> at about 30m
[17:46] <jcoxon> if you want to change your nick
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> (at)
[17:47] <natrium42> there it is
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> woo!
[17:47] <natrium42> :)
[17:48] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, just a heads up, I had trouble using it if I accessed the tracker via the url http://robertharrison.org/tracker/ (but with www. it was fine). Might have just been flukey
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> jammy git
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> landed just on edge of road
[17:48] <DanielRichman> yeah
[17:48] <DanielRichman> so lucky
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:48] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, we don't really want people on robertharrison
[17:48] <DanielRichman> as long as it doesn't get crushed by a car
[17:48] <jcoxon> the plan is to direct to spacenear.us
[17:48] <DanielRichman> yeah
[17:49] <SpeedEvil> easiest recovery ever?
[17:49] <jcoxon> cusf watched one of theirs land
[17:49] <natrium42> awesome
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> hard work to get it all integrated so it's that easy though
[17:50] <jcoxon> so dl-fldigi feature requests?
[17:50] <jcoxon> better checking to avoid dodgey points
[17:50] <jcoxon> intergrated car tracking - as its very cool
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[17:51] <DanielRichman> did XABEN have any ECC ?
[17:51] <DanielRichman> or checksums
[17:51] <jcoxon> no
[17:52] <DanielRichman> You could try and detect in the client if a stop or start bit was flipped - because that could mess a whole lot of stuff up.
[17:53] <DanielRichman> Then perhaps if you have a checksum you could (having found it invalid) try and deduce which bits were wrong automatically (like if something was meant to be a number, and flipping the right bit corrects the checksum and produces a sane value)...
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> it's easier to use one of the 'proper' algorithms for this
[17:54] <DanielRichman> true
[17:54] <DanielRichman> could grab some parity or something
[17:55] <Futurity> back
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:55] <Futurity> has the payload been found yet?
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> not yet
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> they are 30m or so from it
[17:55] <Futurity> has rob and co got to the rough landing site?
[17:55] <natrium42> that's the car, probably
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> yeah - they pulled to the side of the roaad
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> then the GPS is just splattering
[17:56] <natrium42> they should carry the gps with them!
[17:56] <DanielRichman> and the laptop!
[17:56] <natrium42> also live video please
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> and the car
[17:56] <DanielRichman> they should be doing it by helicopter
[17:57] <Futurity> natrium42: that's such a good idea
[17:57] <Futurity> we can also shout, left a bit, right a bit etc ;)
[17:57] <DanielRichman> haha
[17:57] <DanielRichman> need a webcam strapped to a headband
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> It's a damn shame google maps isn't live
[17:58] <Futurity> i know
[17:58] <Futurity> what are Google playing at
[17:58] <DanielRichman> To be fair, google have enough privacy problems with streetview
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[17:58] <Futurity> doing crazy street map when they should be concentrating on live satellite view ;)
[17:58] <DanielRichman> live satellite pics of everywhere would create one heck of a problem
[17:58] <Futurity> true
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> As well as being ridiculously expensive
[17:59] <Futurity> but optical balloon tracking would be fun
[17:59] Action: SpeedEvil has nebulous plans to do openstreetview
[17:59] <DanielRichman> need to put some servos and a telescope attached to a camera on the balloon
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> at least of his local town
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[18:01] <jcoxon> they can see the payload
[18:01] <jcoxon> jsut waiting for steve to get there
[18:01] <cuddykid> Hi All, i see it has landed! Congradulations!
[18:02] <jcoxon> was a good flight
[18:02] <Futurity> fantastic
[18:02] <jcoxon> shame that the actually mission profile didn't occur
[18:02] <jcoxon> as xaben5 was meant to cut away from xaben6
[18:02] <jcoxon> so we would have had to track 2 paylaods down
[18:02] <Futurity> jcoxon: was the intended hight reached?
[18:02] <Futurity> oh the spaceman didn't release?
[18:02] <jcoxon> no
[18:03] <natrium42> spaceman?
[18:03] <jcoxon> 2nd payload
[18:03] <Futurity> spaceman in a BBC spacesuit
[18:03] <Futurity> very cute
[18:03] <Futurity> my boys loved it
[18:03] <natrium42> haha
[18:03] <natrium42> nice
[18:04] <Futurity> we've been singing the prodigy song all day
[18:04] <Futurity> "we're going to send him to outerspace, to find a better place!"
[18:04] <Futurity> In Norfolk
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[18:04] <jcoxon> okay all
[18:05] <jcoxon> raw raw data can be found here:
[18:05] <jcoxon> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php
[18:05] <Futurity> how long will it be up there for?
[18:05] <jcoxon> a couple of days
[18:05] <jcoxon> but we'll keep a copy as well
[18:05] <jcoxon> Rob wins the competition on number of lines submitted
[18:05] <jcoxon> http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/loggers.php
[18:05] <jcoxon> at 512
[18:07] <jcoxon> bbl
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[18:07] <Futurity> guys i need to go unfortunately
[18:07] <Futurity> but thanks for such a fun day
[18:07] <natrium42> see you
[18:07] <Futurity> if anyone has a launch, please let me know and I'd be glad to help out
[18:33] <sbasuita> Hey guys
[18:33] <sbasuita> What happened today?
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[19:13] <Futurity> back
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[19:21] <Futurity> hi
[19:21] <sbasuita> o/
[19:24] <Futurity> are the balloon team still online?
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[19:26] <sbasuita> Futurity, nothing happened between when you left and came back
[19:28] <Futurity> coo
[19:28] <Futurity> cool
[19:28] <Futurity> brb
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[21:58] <natrium42> pics plz
[21:58] <natrium42> kthxbai
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[23:22] <natrium42> yo mc_-
[23:22] <natrium42> any mail?
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[23:28] <jcoxon> evening all
[23:28] <Laurenceb> hi
[23:28] <Laurenceb> any news?
[23:30] <natrium42> i need teh pix
[23:31] <Laurenceb> it landed in a nudist beach?
[23:31] <Laurenceb> oh no I see
[23:31] <Laurenceb> a bit close to the coast
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> landed right on the edge of the road
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[23:32] <SpeedEvil> I saw no actual mention of them getting it
[23:32] <jcoxon> its been recovered
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> but the tracker had them going to 30m of the gps position of the still transmitting sat, so I can't imagine they diddn't
[23:33] <jcoxon> last time i spoke to rob/ed they were looking at it waiting for steve
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[23:36] Action: SpeedEvil imagines them still standing in a field, shivering gently.
[23:41] <jcoxon> it was a good launch
[23:46] <jcoxon> ukhasas a group has now done 32 launches
[23:52] <jcoxon> hmmmm was going to email W0RPK to add ukhas to the list
[23:52] <jcoxon> with 32 but i see that CUSF are already included
[23:54] <jcoxon> which is a shame
[23:55] <jcoxon> as we'll now be 11th rather then 9th
[23:55] <jcoxon> oh well
[23:55] <jcoxon> :-)
[23:55] <jcoxon> night all
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