highaltitude.log.20090523

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[03:26] <trialex> hi guys. any advice on what to use as flight line that would be reasonably easy to get in Australia?
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[04:31] <josepharmbruster> anyone around ?
[04:32] <josepharmbruster> just a quick update on my balloon project. up to now it's been relatively non-existent
[04:32] <josepharmbruster> < high altitude balloon in Florida >
[04:32] <josepharmbruster> i have purchased four kaymont balloons and got my technicians license :-)
[04:33] <josepharmbruster> i found an older ham locally that wants in on the project, so i'm going to start designing the payload this week
[04:33] <josepharmbruster> are there any good resources around concerning water-proof payload desing?
[04:34] <josepharmbruster> i'm also looking for advice on batteries
[05:08] Action: josepharmbruster is going to try to stay logged in as much as possible to dig through responses
[05:08] <josepharmbruster> you can also email me at my nick @gmail.com
[05:29] <natrium42> waterproofing -- haven't tried that yet
[05:29] <natrium42> batteries -- energizer photo lithiums are great
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[08:10] <rjharrison> I would like a big gold medal
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[08:16] <Xenion> Moin Moin :-)
[08:29] <rjharrison> Mornin Xenion
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[09:02] <jcoxon> rjharrison, a medal?
[09:02] <jcoxon> :-)
[09:02] <jcoxon> oh wow
[09:02] <jcoxon> i see...
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[09:05] <rjharrison_> .
[09:05] <rjharrison_> Am I back
[09:05] <jcoxon> rjharrison_ hey
[09:05] <jcoxon> amazing work
[09:05] <rjharrison_> Typical
[09:06] <rjharrison_> connection died
[09:06] <jcoxon> oh right :-)
[09:06] <rjharrison_> I got there in the end
[09:06] <jcoxon> just as i was awarding you your medal
[09:06] <jcoxon> what was the problem?
[09:06] <rjharrison_> Story of my life
[09:06] <rjharrison_> It's a long story but basically install everything in dev for cygwin
[09:07] <rjharrison_> Add -lcurl -L/usr/lib -lssh2 -lssl -lcrypto -lz
[09:07] <rjharrison_> to the LDADD section
[09:08] <rjharrison_> and -DCURL_STATICLIBS to the CPPFLAGS var
[09:08] <rjharrison_> and hey presto
[09:08] <jcoxon> :-)
[09:08] <jcoxon> compiled on xp or vista
[09:08] <jcoxon> ?
[09:08] <rjharrison_> Will document
[09:08] <jcoxon> i see the vista binary
[09:08] <rjharrison_> May I draw you attention to http://code.google.com/p/dl-fldigi/downloads/list
[09:08] <rjharrison_> your
[09:09] <rjharrison_> hehe
[09:10] <rjharrison_> You may want to rename the fldigi bit to dlfldigi just incase they have fldigi files on their system
[09:10] <jcoxon> justabout to say that
[09:10] <jcoxon> litereally halfway throuhg typing it
[09:10] <rjharrison_> :)
[09:11] <rjharrison_> Can you cahnge the name from the web page
[09:11] <rjharrison_> I just reuploaded
[09:11] <rjharrison_> BTW I nuked your old version
[09:11] <rjharrison_> r12
[09:11] <jcoxon> np
[09:11] <jcoxon> how?
[09:12] <rjharrison_> I will bring in the rest of the libraries today into this release
[09:12] <rjharrison_> hamlib libsnffile
[09:12] <rjharrison_> etc..
[09:12] <jcoxon> how did you delete it?
[09:12] <jcoxon> i'll delete this an re-upload
[09:12] <rjharrison_> Click on description
[09:12] <rjharrison_> See delete in bar
[09:14] <rjharrison_> can you kick rjharrison
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[09:15] <rjharrison_> Thanks
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[09:16] <rjharrison_> Weird nick is still inuse
[09:16] <rjharrison_> Guess it takes a while to realise I'm gone
[09:16] <jcoxon> hey josepharmbruster, just reading the logs - sounds like you are making good progress!
[09:16] <jcoxon> rjharrison_, uploaded
[09:17] <rjharrison_> Coolk
[09:17] <jcoxon> rjharrison_, i'm wondering - is it worth us flushing the logger list
[09:17] <rjharrison_> Just linux to go
[09:17] <jcoxon> so we can see the new people with the client?
[09:18] <rjharrison_> Yep can do
[09:18] <rjharrison_> Infact we should send client version back in the identity
[09:18] <jcoxon> one sec
[09:18] <jcoxon> r38 - feature freeze :-)
[09:18] <rjharrison_> BTW they must select the payload everytime they reload at the moment
[09:18] <jcoxon> yes, its causing me a lot of issue
[09:19] <rjharrison_> np but they need to know this
[09:19] <jcoxon> + i couldn't really think straight yesterday
[09:19] <rjharrison_> the widows version won't dispaly any console text
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[09:19] <jcoxon> its basically to do with the way that it works with drop down boxes
[09:19] <rjharrison_> ie cout >> goes to /dev/null
[09:19] <jcoxon> it doesn't want text etc "icarus"
[09:19] <jcoxon> instead it wants a number
[09:20] <rjharrison_> Oh ok
[09:20] <jcoxon> as in an order number
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[09:20] <rjharrison_> ahh
[09:20] <rjharrison_> I can see that being a problem
[09:20] <rjharrison_> as the order may change
[09:20] <jcoxon> exactly
[09:20] <jcoxon> just needs a bit more coding
[09:20] <jcoxon> G8KHW, !
[09:20] <G8KHW> yo folks
[09:20] <jcoxon> your XP/Vista binaries are completed
[09:20] <jcoxon> oh and Happy Birthday!
[09:20] <G8KHW> spiffing
[09:21] <rjharrison_> hehe
[09:21] <jcoxon> tis our present (well rjharrison's mainly) to you...
[09:21] <G8KHW> ta
[09:21] <rjharrison_> NB Select payload every time you reload ATM
[09:21] <rjharrison_> in the DL Client section
[09:22] <rjharrison_> I need to write the XML for your payload steve
[09:22] <rjharrison_> Will do that now
[09:23] <rjharrison_> JC there is a bit of a bug to fix but it not a deal breaker
[09:23] <rjharrison_> see view.php
[09:23] <rjharrison_> something not quite right
[09:23] <rjharrison_> Will try to debug later
[09:24] <G8KHW> what do you guys think on soldering AA batteries? - I never trust battery holders
[09:24] <G8KHW> just wondering if soldering will make them unreliable
[09:25] <jcoxon> rjharrison_, oh thats new!
[09:25] <jcoxon> G8KHW, i'm still a little unsure about soldering to batteries directly
[09:25] <jcoxon> i find that even with tinning the solder doesn't hold
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[09:27] <G8KHW> the AAA energiser lithiums I tried seem to be soldering ok
[09:27] <jcoxon> fair enough
[09:27] <jcoxon> G8KHW, is there a chance you could quickly try the client
[09:28] <jcoxon> http://code.google.com/p/dl-fldigi/downloads/list
[09:28] <jcoxon> as it gives us sometime to fix it for tomorrow
[09:29] <G8KHW> sure - hang on
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[09:38] <g8khw2> ok - downloaded & running - whats next?
[09:38] <jcoxon> so enter you details in the Operator tab
[09:39] <jcoxon> oh i see you've done that
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[09:39] <jcoxon> we are still writing your payload xml file, you'll be able to select this in the DL tab of the config
[09:40] <g8khw2> ah ok - bbiab
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[10:28] <jcoxon> hey DanielRichman
[10:28] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, morning
[10:28] <jcoxon> do you still have my radio?
[10:28] <DanielRichman> sbasuita has it
[10:29] <jcoxon> oh okay
[10:29] <jcoxon> quite possibly a launch tomorrow
[10:29] <jcoxon> want to kick you guys to run a DL station
[10:29] <jcoxon> with the new client
[10:29] <DanielRichman> I'd love to
[10:29] <DanielRichman> as soon as sbasuita wakes up I'll kick him
[10:30] <jcoxon> great
[10:30] <jcoxon> might need to make a slightly better antenna
[10:30] <jcoxon> then jsut the whip
[10:30] <DanielRichman> hmm. When's the launch?
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[10:31] <jcoxon> around 12 tomorrow
[10:31] <DanielRichman> We were planning to make a 433mhz yagi for our launch but haven't done that yet. Maybe if we get to work quickly today a trip to B&Q could have us sorted on that score.
[10:31] <DanielRichman> sbasuita had a plan or something
[10:31] <DanielRichman> Had our last exam yesterday
[10:31] <DanielRichman> so we can get back to work ;)
[10:31] <jcoxon> woohoo
[10:31] <jcoxon> if not a moxon out of coathangers
[10:32] <DanielRichman> hehe
[10:32] <jcoxon> but a yagi is the best
[10:32] <DanielRichman> yes
[10:32] <DanielRichman> Who's launching?
[10:34] <jcoxon> G8KHW
[10:34] <jcoxon> XABEN5/6
[10:34] <jcoxon> double payload
[10:34] <DanielRichman> what's on each payload?
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[10:36] <gordonjcp> DanielRichman: K5OE handi-tenna
[10:36] <gordonjcp> thoroughly recommend it
[10:36] <gordonjcp> I don't see any advantage in a Moxon at UHF, a full-size beam is small enough
[10:37] <DanielRichman> hmm
[10:37] <gordonjcp> the K5OE is a neat wee thing with decent gain and fairly compact, and fairly broad-band too
[10:37] <DanielRichman> yeah
[10:38] <jcoxon> gordonjcp, i only suggest it due to speed of construction
[10:38] <gordonjcp> folded dipole y'see
[10:38] <gordonjcp> jcoxon: there is that
[10:38] <jcoxon> i'm planning to make one soon
[10:38] <jcoxon> ak5oe
[10:38] <jcoxon> a K5OE
[10:39] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, if speed of construction wasn't an issue, what would you reccoment?
[10:39] <DanielRichman> *recommend
[10:39] <DanielRichman> (Is this the right page? http://www.mydarc.de/df8gh/handitenna.htm)
[10:39] <jcoxon> i would recommend what gordonjcp suggests
[10:39] <jcoxon> especially at your range from the payload
[10:39] <gordonjcp> DanielRichman: yup
[10:40] <gordonjcp> AOHell hometown is now gone
[10:40] <DanielRichman> hangon
[10:40] <gordonjcp> but the original pages are in archive.org
[10:40] <DanielRichman> gordonjcp, one step ahead of you ;)
[10:40] <DanielRichman> http://web.archive.org/web/20071013132345/http://members.aol.com/k5oejerry/handi-tenna.htm
[10:40] <gordonjcp> you could also try the WA5VJB "cheap yagi" designs, but they're a lot narrower
[10:40] <gordonjcp> you have to be unholy accurate to get them loaded up properly
[10:41] <gordonjcp> same with the k5oe but at least it's wide enough to have decent gain even when it's quite badly off
[10:41] <gordonjcp> and for receiving it's not such a biggie
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[10:41] <DanielRichman> hmm
[10:41] <DanielRichman> I think that the cheap yagi designs were the ones that sbasuita was looking at, but not 100% sure
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[10:41] <DanielRichman> I'll paste him the link and let him decide
[10:41] <gordonjcp> they're good too - I build a 70cm/2m crossed yagi using the WA5VJB design for satellite work
[10:49] <jcoxon> bbl
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[11:26] <josepharmbruster> fyi guys: KJ4JIO here
[11:26] <josepharmbruster> i'm off to a local ham meeting this morning, i'll be on and off all day
[11:31] <jcoxon> cool cool
[11:31] <jcoxon> we've got a launch perhaps tomorrow in the UK
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[11:40] <Futurity> Hi Everyone
[11:41] <Futurity> Launch still on for tomorrow?
[11:45] <jcoxon> yes
[11:45] <jcoxon> around 12:00
[11:47] <jcoxon> Futurity, we've also managed to get binaries of the DL client
[11:47] <Futurity> DL?
[11:47] <jcoxon> distributed listener
[11:47] <Futurity> sorry a bit new to all this
[11:47] <Futurity> oh i see
[11:47] <Futurity> to be used with a laptop and transceiver?
[11:47] <jcoxon> yup
[11:48] <Futurity> i don't have a data interface lead right now which is a shame
[11:48] <jcoxon> just need a 3.5mm jack
[11:48] <jcoxon> jack to jac
[11:48] <jcoxon> k
[11:48] <Futurity> oh you listen via the sound card?
[11:48] <jcoxon> yes
[11:48] <Futurity> sorry though it used the build in data interface
[11:49] <Futurity> *thought
[11:49] <jcoxon> :-)
[11:49] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, what language is the DL client in?
[11:49] <jcoxon> c++
[11:49] <Futurity> what frequency will it be transmitting on?
[11:49] <DanielRichman> so just a fork of fldigi? sort of?
[11:49] <jcoxon> what we've done is intergrate it into fldigi
[11:49] <jcoxon> yes
[11:49] <DanielRichman> Where can I find a patch?
[11:49] <jcoxon> Futurity, 434.075 and 434.650
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[11:49] <jcoxon> http://code.google.com/p/dl-fldigi/
[11:50] <Futurity> cool
[11:51] <Futurity> i think i have a small aerial
[11:51] <Futurity> car mounted type
[11:51] <jcoxon> Futurity, do you have ssb on your receiver?
[11:51] <Futurity> not sure what frequency range its for
[11:51] <Futurity> and haven't tried it yet
[11:51] <Futurity> lol
[11:51] <DanielRichman> What version of fldigi is the client based on?
[11:51] <Futurity> ndon't even have foundation licence yet
[11:51] <jcoxon> nearly the latest
[11:51] <Futurity> it's a Icom-207 i believe
[11:51] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, its not a patch its the whol source
[11:52] <Futurity> is there a windows version of the software?
[11:52] <jcoxon> yes
[11:52] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, I know. Gonna generate a patch now so I can see what you've changed ;)
[11:52] <Futurity> unfortunately both laptops are windows
[11:52] <jcoxon> http://code.google.com/p/dl-fldigi/downloads/list
[11:52] <Futurity> only desktops and servers here are Mac OSX and Linux
[11:52] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, you could diff of revision 1
[11:52] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, nice idea
[11:52] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, you should be able to download the fldigi's .deb source and just re-use the packaging if you haven't really changed much
[11:53] <jcoxon> we have though - added curl
[11:53] <jcoxon> which causes issues
[11:53] <jcoxon> right i've got to go
[11:53] <jcoxon> will bbl
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[11:54] <Futurity> does the windows version require any extra libraries at all?
[11:56] <DanielRichman> I would expect that they've included them
[11:57] <DanielRichman> give it a go
[12:02] <Futurity> will do
[12:02] <Futurity> i still don't know thw exact site location
[12:02] <Futurity> is there a website with it on?
[12:02] <Futurity> for the launch that is lol
[12:03] <DanielRichman> No idea. I think it's G8KHW's launch
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[12:04] <sbasuita> Any launches this weekend?
[12:05] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, yes.
[12:06] <sbasuita> ; O
[12:06] <sbasuita> Do tell
[12:07] <sbasuita> I see I need to make a yagi today
[12:07] <sbasuita> Actually, the launch is tomorrow?
[12:07] <sbasuita> I have a party to go to...
[12:07] <DanielRichman> http://ircbot.richmanwebsite.co.uk/log/2009/highaltitude.log.20090523
[12:07] <Futurity> i take it i won't get much of a signal for long with a basic roof mount omni directional aerial then ?
[12:07] <DanielRichman> Ask jcoxon, but you might be in luck
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[12:10] <sbasuita> Yeah, sorry guys - I can't run a listener for the launch tomorrow
[12:10] <sbasuita> But I'll get to work on a .deb for the fldigi fork
[12:12] <sbasuita> Is the current version OK to export?
[12:13] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, was looking at it
[12:13] <DanielRichman> just need to export jcoxon's googlecode then grab the current fldigi .deb packaging, add a curl dependancy and you're rolling
[12:13] <DanielRichman> libcurl4-openssl-dev
[12:25] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, does it link to libcurl?
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[12:35] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, yes
[12:36] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, and it needs SSL?
[12:37] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, not that I know of
[12:38] <sbasuita> doesn't look like it
[12:38] <sbasuita> so it's just libcurl-dev ; )
[12:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, can't use that
[12:39] <DanielRichman> cause its a virtual package
[12:39] <DanielRichman> pbuilder has a fit.
[12:39] <sbasuita> i don't remember it doing that
[12:39] <DanielRichman> well. try it, but I don't think it will work
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[12:39] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, no, the whole point of virtual packages is that it makes it easier for depends in packaging etc
[12:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, where on earth am I going to get 1/8" copper?
[12:40] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, look up a table of standard guages
[12:40] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, its in there, and search for that gauge
[12:41] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, standard gauge returns something about trains
[12:41] <sbasuita> ...
[12:41] <sbasuita> look harder
[12:42] <DanielRichman> .wik Standard Gauge
[12:42] <herabot> "The standard gauge (also named the Stephenson gauge after George Stephenson, or Normal gauge) is a widely-used rail gauge." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Gauge
[12:42] <sbasuita> well done
[12:42] <sbasuita> we're talking about wire gauges
[12:42] <DanielRichman> ok. so this page? http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/standard-gauges-d_1345.html
[12:43] <sbasuita> .wik wire gauge
[12:43] <herabot> "Wire gauge is a measurement of how large a wire is, either in diameter or cross sectional area." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_gauge
[12:44] <DanielRichman> ok so we want british standard 10
[12:44] <DanielRichman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_wire_gauge
[12:48] <DanielRichman> Still can't find a place to buy that stuff in the UK
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[13:10] <DanielRichman> So who here has built a Yagi?
[13:10] <DanielRichman> at some point?
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[13:13] <SpeedEvil> me, though ti ws a while go
[13:13] <DanielRichman> Are you in the UK?
[13:13] <DanielRichman> Where did you get the material for the elements from?
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> I think so.
[13:13] Action: SpeedEvil checks outside door.
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> yup.
[13:13] <DanielRichman> You can tell what country you are in by looking outside :o
[13:13] <DanielRichman> Anyway... Where did you get the material for the elements from?
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> bamboo growing in garden, thick copper wire -
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> I think it was 6mm^2 mains cable
[13:14] <DanielRichman> but where did the copper wire come from? Having great trouble finding somewhere that will sell 1/8" copper wire
[13:14] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, you tried calling up any shops yet?
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> screwfix
[13:14] Action: DanielRichman searches screwfix
[13:15] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, got ma pbuilder set up so its like `sudo ARCH=i386 DIST=intrepid pbuilder......' ; P
[13:15] <DanielRichman> I see.
[13:15] <DanielRichman> intrepid?
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> search on microbore
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> small pipe will work well
[13:16] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, well, any arch/distro works
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[13:17] <DanielRichman> Argh, what's 1/8" in mm?....
[13:17] Action: DanielRichman asks wolfram
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> 6.25
[13:18] <DanielRichman> eh
[13:18] <gordonjcp> DanielRichman: 3.5mm, ish
[13:18] <DanielRichman> yes
[13:18] <DanielRichman> that's what wolfram alpha said gordonjcp ;)
[13:18] <DanielRichman> unfortunately... http://www.screwfix.com/search.do;jsessionid=5MUPGDFRP4JVSCSTHZPCFEY?_dyncharset=UTF-8&fh_search=microbore&searchbutton.x=0&searchbutton.y=0&searchbutton=submit
[13:19] <DanielRichman> no 3.1mm :(
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> oh - they don't do 8mm
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> 6mm I mean
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> on - 1/8th
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> misread as 1/4
[13:19] Action: SpeedEvil should have gotten up earlier - getting over fly
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> flu
[13:19] <DanielRichman> ah.
[13:20] <SpeedEvil> would Al work?
[13:20] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, would aluminium be ok for the cheap yagi?
[13:21] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, sure
[13:21] <DanielRichman> Does it change the characteristics of the antenna at all?
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> Farnell or RS - both have parametric selectors
[13:21] <DanielRichman> the material used?
[13:21] <DanielRichman> http://www.fredspinner.com/W0FMS/CheapYagi/vjbcy.html
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> both have parametric selectors
[13:21] <sbasuita> .wik parametric selector
[13:21] <herabot> "Boss is a manufacturer of effects pedals for electric guitar and bass guitar." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boss_Corporation
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> look for single core wire
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> of hte right diameter
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> wacky
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> a parametric selector is something you say I want a wire of between 3mm and 4mm, single core, ...
[13:22] <sbasuita> Oh right...
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> Or farnell has an 'engineering materials' section
[13:23] <DanielRichman> was hoping to be able to grab the stuff today. Isn't farnell all online-order?
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> your local DIY store may also sell it
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> In practice, find 1m of the thickest mains cable they stock
[13:24] <SpeedEvil> ideally single-core
[13:25] <SpeedEvil> Or really, for a first attempt, anything.
[13:25] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=1000395+386586&getResults=true&appliedparametrics=true&locale=en_UK&originalQueryURL=%2Fjsp%2Fsearch%2Fbrowse.jsp%3FN%3D1000395%26getResults%3Dtrue%26appliedparametrics%3Dtrue%26locale%3Den_UK
[13:25] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, one step ahead of your
[13:25] <DanielRichman> *you
[13:25] <SpeedEvil> even sliced up USB cable taped to bamboo
[13:26] <DanielRichman> how crucial is the width of the wire when receiving?
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> from memory, it affects bandwidth slightly
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> I don't recall details
[13:26] <DanielRichman> Are there some calculations etc. and we can redesign the elements based on the width of the wire?
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> I used something online
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> try googling
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> yagi calculator length diameter spacing wavelength
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> ror similar
[13:28] <DanielRichman> eww
[13:28] <DanielRichman> some windows program gotta download
[13:28] <sbasuita> Hmm.... dl-fldigi is FTBFS
[13:28] <sbasuita> http://pastebin.com/d6ef62e98
[13:28] <sbasuita> But libcurl-gnutls-dev was installed...
[13:29] <sbasuita> sorry, libcurl4-gnutls-dev
[13:29] <DanielRichman> try libcurl4-openssh-dev
[13:29] <DanielRichman> no wait
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[13:29] <DanielRichman> that error's from the linker
[13:30] <sbasuita> Is SSL needed?
[13:30] <DanielRichman> so are you sure -lcurl is being passed?
[13:30] <sbasuita> No idea
[13:30] <sbasuita> I'll see
[13:30] <DanielRichman> No I don't think it is
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[13:30] <DanielRichman> look at the command that fails
[13:30] <DanielRichman> or infact
[13:31] <sbasuita> Nah, forgot to add it
[13:31] <sbasuita> ; P
[13:31] <DanielRichman> just search for the string "curl". You'll see it only appears in that area
[13:31] <DanielRichman> Does that also mean a build dep on curl is needed?
[13:31] <sbasuita> Er....
[13:31] <sbasuita> the only specific dep is build-dep on libcurl-dev
[13:31] <DanielRichman> oh right
[13:31] <sbasuita> the runtime deps are auto-calculated by some useful debian scripts
[13:31] <DanielRichman> yeah whatever; ignore me, just add the -lcurl
[13:32] <sbasuita> actually
[13:32] <sbasuita> I shouldn't have to add -lcurl
[13:32] <sbasuita> I'm just using the Makefile
[13:32] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, maybe jcoxon forgot it? I don't know
[13:36] <sbasuita> =/
[13:36] <DanielRichman> gordonjcp, have you built a handi-tenna? where did you get the wire for the elements from?
[13:50] <DanielRichman> ooh, what about this stuff? sbasuita? http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=6216
[13:50] <sbasuita> Is multi-core an issue?
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[13:51] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it, no, at least not for non-critical stuff
[13:51] <gordonjcp> DanielRichman: I used 6mm ally tubing
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[13:51] <gordonjcp> DanielRichman: I've also used various diameters of brazing rod
[13:51] <DanielRichman> gordonjcp, and 6mm al tubing is ok for the aerial?
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> -3dB response on your antenna will only have a 30% effect on range
[13:52] <gordonjcp> DanielRichman: yes, but you'll need something to bend it round and some sort of heat
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> tube is the same as rod
[13:52] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, check out ccache + pbuilder, just compiled dl-fldigi in seconds the second time ;D
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> pretty-much
[13:52] <jcoxon> hey all
[13:52] <gordonjcp> DanielRichman: I built a bending jig for it
[13:52] <sbasuita> jcoxon, hi
[13:52] <sbasuita> jcoxon, dl-fldigi is having some trouble building with curl
[13:52] <sbasuita> jcoxon, http://pastebin.com/d6ef62e98
[13:52] <jcoxon> you need to add libcurl
[13:53] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, what did I tell you ;)
[13:53] <sbasuita> obviously
[13:53] <jcoxon> you guys obviously aren't on the ukhas mailing list :-p
[13:53] <DanielRichman> there's a MAILING LIST!?
[13:53] <DanielRichman> :o
[13:53] <sbasuita> jcoxon, i just built it from the makefile
[13:53] <jcoxon> http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas/browse_thread/thread/4b7c6df4fa0bca5b
[13:53] <sbasuita> I am on that one
[13:53] <jcoxon> 5) edit the makefile in src/ , line 412 on my machine need to swap
[13:53] <jcoxon> -L/opt/local/lib -lsamplerate for -L/opt/local/lib -lsamplerate -lcurl
[13:54] <sbasuita> Argh
[13:54] <sbasuita> that is a pain in a debian package
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[13:54] <jcoxon> i'm crao at cimpiling
[13:54] <jcoxon> crap at compiling
[13:54] <DanielRichman> heh
[13:54] <jcoxon> need to add that dependency to configure
[13:54] <jcoxon> but can't work it out
[13:54] <sbasuita> yes
[13:54] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, you go figure :)
[13:54] <sbasuita> awww... guess i'll have to learn autoconf now
[13:54] <sbasuita> thanks
[13:54] <sbasuita> : |
[13:55] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, was considering antennas etc. Just been asking everyone... what material do you use to make your elements?
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> plutonium is best.
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> more seriously
[13:55] <jcoxon> oh i don't have a yagi
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> anything conductive works
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> Copper, aluminium are both popular
[13:55] <DanielRichman> hmm. ok
[13:55] <sbasuita> What is EARS?
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> anything like steel may not work very well, due to large resistance
[13:56] <jcoxon> its the local rocketry launh site
[13:56] <jcoxon> its our alternative to churchill
[13:58] <DanielRichman> So where the Cheap Yagi site requests that 1/8" copper wire is used, do you think that this stuff would be fine? http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=6216
[13:58] <jcoxon> sbasuita, sorry about the compiling issues - configure/make its my nemisis
[13:58] <DanielRichman> And would I have to remove the wire sheathing?
[13:59] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, I never understood the big deal with autoconf. It just looks like a pain
[13:59] <sbasuita> No, autotools is nice
[13:59] <sbasuita> From a packages persepctive
[13:59] <jcoxon> spelling is my nemesis
[13:59] <sbasuita> s/packages/packagers
[13:59] <sbasuita> -.-
[13:59] <sbasuita> hehe
[13:59] <DanielRichman> I once tried installing gentoo. Apart from the biatch that is glibc, I swear it spent 90% of the time autoconfing, and only 10% compiling
[13:59] <sbasuita> Yes but, that's gentoo ; P
[14:00] <DanielRichman> Anyway... so where the Cheap Yagi site requests that 1/8" copper wire is used, do you think that this stuff would be fine? http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=6216
[14:00] <DanielRichman> And would I have to remove the wire sheathing?
[14:00] <sbasuita> I don't see why you'd have to remove the sheathing
[14:00] <sbasuita> If its just pastic
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[14:02] <DanielRichman> edmoore, have you ever built a yagi?
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> the raised dielectric constant around the wire affects the effective diameter
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> (if you don't strip it)
[14:03] <DanielRichman> right. And that multi core is just gonna fall apart if I strip it
[14:03] <DanielRichman> :X
[14:04] <sbasuita> http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/html_node/Libraries.html#Libraries
[14:04] Action: sbasuita tries that
[14:04] <jcoxon> sbasuita, you fixing this for me?
[14:04] <sbasuita> jcoxon, probably ; )
[14:04] <jcoxon> please do :-)
[14:06] <jcoxon> of DanielRichman sign up for hte list
[14:06] <jcoxon> :-p
[14:06] <jcoxon> oh*
[14:06] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I'd like to go with the handi-tenna instead of the cheap-yagi designs because "they're a lot narrower and you have to be unholy accurate to get them loaded up properly"
[14:06] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, yeah ;)
[14:07] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, just pull out the ruler and put some care into making a good antenna
[14:07] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, no, it's not like that
[14:07] <DanielRichman> "unholy accurate" is what gordonjcp said
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> there is properly
[14:08] Action: sbasuita is confused
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> - performing accurately to the theoretical possibilities
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> and there is 'works just fine'
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> Unless you are that bothered about the exact gain, and radiation pattern, you can get a fair amount of gain, as long as you've got the elements spaced right, and pretty much the right length
[14:09] <DanielRichman> hmm
[14:09] <DanielRichman> right
[14:09] <sbasuita> jcoxon, could you remove config.status from dl-fldigi? It is meant to be created when you run ./configure, not distributed in the soruce.
[14:09] <jcoxon> yup
[14:09] <sbasuita> thanks
[14:11] <jcoxon> hmmm, how do i do that
[14:11] <DanielRichman> svn rm config.status
[14:11] <DanielRichman> svn commit
[14:13] <jcoxon> hmmm
[14:14] <gordonjcp> DanielRichman: sorry, I should have been clearer - the cheap yagi designs will work pretty well for receive as long as you're fairly careful with measuring
[14:14] <sbasuita> jcoxon, you can always add simrunbasuita@googlemail.com to the project and i'll sort it
[14:14] <sbasuita> oh right
[14:14] <sbasuita> done
[14:14] <sbasuita> cool
[14:14] <jcoxon> but i' just put loads of .deps up
[14:14] <jcoxon> urgh i hate sourcecode
[14:15] <gordonjcp> DanielRichman: if you're trying to get every last drop of 5W at 70cm up the spout it's a different story ;-)
[14:15] <sbasuita> .deps?
[14:15] <DanielRichman> gordonjcp, ok ;)
[14:15] <DanielRichman> this yagi will be receive only
[14:15] <jcoxon> i've added you
[14:15] <sbasuita> jcoxon, thanks
[14:16] <jcoxon> feel free to clean it but i'd avoid changing the code
[14:16] <jcoxon> as rjharrison and i are working on a number of things
[14:16] <sbasuita> Yeah, I won't code anything
[14:16] <sbasuita> Just try and beat GNU back into submission
[14:17] <jcoxon> sbasuita, DanielRichman have you got it the client running yet?
[14:18] <sbasuita> Haven't tried it yet
[14:18] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, waiting for sbasuita to get me a fldigi deb ;)
[14:18] <jcoxon> haha
[14:21] <DanielRichman> brb; food.
[14:21] <jcoxon> i'm looking forward to seeing the system work tomorrow
[14:23] <sbasuita> Deleting Makefile
[14:23] <sbasuita> Deleting config.log
[14:23] <sbasuita> Deleting svn-commit.tmp
[14:23] <sbasuita> Committed revision 41.
[14:23] <sbasuita> loving the svn-commit.tmp xP
[14:25] <jcoxon> oh early on i commited everything
[14:25] <jcoxon> was an interesting learning curve
[14:25] <jcoxon> then i worked out how to do individual files
[14:26] <sbasuita> you using an os x gui client?
[14:26] <jcoxon> no cmdline
[14:26] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, can you just setup the receiver, turn on the dl-client and leave it running tomorrow?
[14:26] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, sure
[14:27] <sbasuita> But it probably won't work without me fiddling with the antenna
[14:27] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, that's the bit I'm worried about; wen't downstairs and was all like "can I collect receiver to use tomorrow" parents: "sure but we're going out"... since when :X.
[14:27] <DanielRichman> They hardly ever tell me anything
[14:27] <sbasuita> Take the train down here
[14:27] <DanielRichman> no
[14:28] <DanielRichman> we're going out tomorrow
[14:28] <DanielRichman> that's what they meant.
[14:28] <DanielRichman> -.-
[14:28] <sbasuita> oh right
[14:28] <DanielRichman> anyway; lunchtime; brb.
[14:28] <sbasuita> So I'll just leave it running with the whip then
[14:28] <sbasuita> Well, make a bigger whip
[14:28] <sbasuita> If it lands in Bracknell, you guys will know about it ; )
[14:30] <sbasuita> Four different source trees of fldigi... the life of a distro packager ;P
[14:34] <jcoxon> guys due to drift you probably won't get any
[14:35] <sbasuita> Oh well, sorry.
[14:35] <jcoxon> needs a bit of tuning
[14:35] <sbasuita> I will make a robotic arm for the radio that you can control over ssh
[14:36] <sbasuita> Just don't knock over my monitor
[14:36] <jcoxon> hehe i've done that before
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[14:36] <jcoxon> with a servo and a band to turn the dial
[14:36] <sbasuita> wow
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[14:41] <rjharrison> hi james
[14:41] <rjharrison> 2xxml
[14:41] <rjharrison> XABEN5 &^
[14:41] <rjharrison> 6
[14:46] <DanielRichman> yeah jcoxon so sorry. But it was just bad luck. Maybe we could see if AlexBreton wants to man the radio (haha)
[14:46] <jcoxon> no worries
[14:48] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I might still try and build a yagi for fun
[14:48] <DanielRichman> how's the .deb coming along btw?
[14:48] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, I was going to build one anyway
[14:48] <sbasuita> Getting acquainted with autotools
[14:48] <DanielRichman> hehe
[14:48] <sbasuita> It's actually a very nice system
[14:49] <rjharrison> .deb?
[14:49] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, ok. I won't try building a yagi, but I might go to maplin. Do you want me to get some rg58 & a BNC plug?
[14:49] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, yep, the stuff we sorted out at school if you can remember
[14:49] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I wrote it down fool ;)
[14:49] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, ehehe
[14:49] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, debian package (or ubuntu)
[14:49] <DanielRichman> rjharrison, .rpm for real people
[14:49] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, might as well get a couple BNCs etc because we'll inevitably cock it up]
[14:49] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, it's a crimp plug. What could possibly go wrong?
[14:49] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, .rpm pffff
[14:49] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, something _always_ goes wrong
[14:49] <Futurity> lol
[14:50] <Futurity> .rpm is dead, long live the .deb
[14:50] <DanielRichman> hehe
[14:50] <DanielRichman> .rpm sucks so badly
[14:50] <sbasuita> Yeah, you know it's true, just use your HEAD
[14:50] <sbasuita> ; O
[14:50] <Futurity> saying that I'm still a Suse man
[14:50] <DanielRichman> :o
[14:50] <DanielRichman> suse uses RPMs doesn't it?
[14:50] <Futurity> but download Ubuntu two days ago
[14:51] <Futurity> considering switching
[14:51] <DanielRichman> downloaded jaunty/9.04?
[14:51] <Futurity> it does
[14:51] <DanielRichman> I'd recommend it ;)
[14:51] <DanielRichman> just dual boot for a bit
[14:51] <Futurity> but i'm convinced Debian / Ubuntu is the way forward
[14:51] <Futurity> come from a Solaris background
[14:51] <DanielRichman> hell yes. the package managment is so much better
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[14:51] <Futurity> Debian may not be as userfriendly
[14:51] <sbasuita> The only reason I started using Ubuntu was because it was the only distro that supported all my hardware
[14:51] <sbasuita> Never looked back
[14:51] <Futurity> but Stability is everything
[14:51] <DanielRichman> Debian is super stable
[14:52] <DanielRichman> ubuntu is *quite* stable
[14:52] <Futurity> yep
[14:52] <Bertrix> centos is also super stable
[14:52] <DanielRichman> the only software I've had problems with is FGLRX and VIRTUALBOX
[14:52] <Futurity> openSuse is like M$ Windows
[14:52] <DanielRichman> both were the proprietary versions, so that's probably wire
[14:52] <DanielRichman> *why
[14:52] <Futurity> hence why we use it for our users
[14:52] <DanielRichman> does openSuse cost?
[14:52] <DanielRichman> I forget
[14:52] <sbasuita> checking for library containing curl_easy_init... no
[14:52] <sbasuita> checking for library containing curl_easy_setopt... no
[14:52] <sbasuita> checking for library containing curl_easy_perform... no
[14:52] <sbasuita> checking for library containing curl_easy_cleanup... no
[14:52] <sbasuita> "Building anyway"
[14:52] <Futurity> openSuse is free
[14:52] <sbasuita> ...
[14:52] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, fail.
[14:53] <Futurity> supported with updates for 2 years
[14:53] <DanielRichman> Futurity, ah. One up on RHEL then ;)
[14:53] <sbasuita> Need to figure out how to get it to fail
[14:53] <Futurity> kind of
[14:53] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, does it say ... yes if you actually have libcurl?
[14:53] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, haven't tried yet
[14:53] <Futurity> we used to use RedHat8 / 9
[14:53] <DanielRichman> If you don't mind yum (then you're weird) but Fedora is OK.
[14:54] <Futurity> but when Enterprise Redhay was born and Fedora split, we didn't want to use Fedora as we felt it was no longer strongly connected to a commercial distro
[14:54] <DanielRichman> ah
[14:54] <Futurity> openSuse is the beta for the Suse Linux Enterprise version
[14:54] <DanielRichman> how did redhat make their moneys before Enterprise?
[14:54] <Futurity> so commercial Linux software runs on it
[14:54] <Futurity> Consultancy services
[14:54] <DanielRichman> hmm
[14:54] <DanielRichman> Canonical arn't doing too badly
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[14:54] <Futurity> that's the model for making money from open source
[14:55] <DanielRichman> indeed. Except for Redhat
[14:55] <sbasuita> Say what? aptitude is actually asking me to choose between libcurl4-openssl-dev and libcurl4-gnutls-dev. Like I actually care!?
[14:55] <Futurity> No the openSuse decision was years ago when Ubuntu was still fairly new on the block
[14:55] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, what's the difference?
[14:55] <Futurity> Ubuntu is now so main steam that I want to seriously consider it as an openSuse relacement
[14:55] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, no idea
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[14:55] <Futurity> *replacement
[14:55] <DanielRichman> why does there need to be two packages?
[14:55] <sbasuita> Probably GNU's doing
[14:55] <DanielRichman> yeah.
[14:56] <Futurity> i'll be back later on as I need to find the location of the launch site tomorrow
[14:56] <DanielRichman> ok
[14:56] <Futurity> most people online in the evening as well?
[14:56] <sbasuita> Erm... now what
[14:56] <Bertrix> gnutls and openssl are two different crypto libs
[14:56] <Futurity> i don't want to miss the launch location LOL
[14:56] <sbasuita> But which one to choose?
[14:57] <Futurity> ttfn
[14:57] <Bertrix> on a desktop system it doesnt matter at all
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[14:57] <Bertrix> gnutls is a bit smaller so for embedded you'd probably choose that one
[14:57] <sbasuita> But, the choice remains...
[14:57] <rjharrison> sbasuita: Nice one if you can get curl sorted on the autoconf
[14:57] <Bertrix> pick openssl
[14:57] <sbasuita> Bertrix, will do
[14:57] <Bertrix> its the most common
[14:57] <rjharrison> sbasuita: It needs to be staticlly linked under cygwin
[14:58] <sbasuita> /facepalm
[14:58] <DanielRichman> nono, static linking is easy
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[14:58] <DanielRichman> just grab the .a and pass it to the linker
[14:58] <sbasuita> .a?
[14:58] <DanielRichman> yes
[14:58] <rjharrison> the statice linked lib
[14:58] <DanielRichman> lots of .objects become a .a
[14:58] <DanielRichman> if you give the linker a .a
[14:58] <rjharrison> but that not the point
[14:59] <DanielRichman> then it treats it like an archive. and only links the objects it needs, rather than all of them
[14:59] <rjharrison> having banged my head on this for while like days
[14:59] <Bertrix> i once managed to make a 450mb executable with static linking
[14:59] <sbasuita> Where does cygwin come into this again?
[14:59] <Bertrix> it really helps to only have it link what u actually use
[14:59] <rjharrison> For working under windoze
[14:59] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, a windows version of fldigi
[15:00] <sbasuita> So, what's the current procedure for getting this compiled for windows?
[15:00] <rjharrison> ./configure
[15:00] <rjharrison> make
[15:00] <rjharrison> in cygwin
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[15:01] <rjharrison> CPPFLAGS -DCURL_STATICLIB
[15:01] <sbasuita> Well, first got to get configure detecting libcurl
[15:01] <sbasuita> it's currently failing
[15:02] <rjharrison> have fun
[15:02] <rjharrison> Just thought I'd let you know that little snippit
[15:02] <rjharrison> about the configure needing to run under linux, max, and cygwin
[15:05] <sbasuita> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/3124/strip.jpg
[15:07] <rjharrison> lol
[15:07] <rjharrison> good old micro$oft humor
[15:07] <sbasuita> GAAH
[15:08] <sbasuita> I see what you guys mean about configure being a pain
[15:08] <DanielRichman> be back later
[15:08] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, <sbasuita> No, autotools is nice
[15:08] <sbasuita> For the ones who use it
[15:08] <DanielRichman> anyway; bbl
[15:08] <sbasuita> Obviously the hard work has to come from somewhere
[15:09] <rjharrison> For the abount of coding I do I leave it well alone
[15:09] <rjharrison> Esp when making it work for 3 environaments
[15:09] <rjharrison> This is good healthy stuff for you sbasuita
[15:10] <rjharrison> :)
[15:10] <sbasuita> :S
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[15:13] <sbasuita> OH
[15:13] <sbasuita> For gawd's sake
[15:13] <sbasuita> Been running ./configure instead of autoconf
[15:13] <sbasuita> ...
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[15:14] <sbasuita> Works now
[15:14] <sbasuita> : )
[15:17] <sbasuita> Now just need to get it to fail if it doesn't find it
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[16:18] <fuzzylugnuts> Yo
[16:21] <fuzzylugnuts> my old group from idaho is launching today. Sending up 8w APRS transmitters and the flight computer.
[16:21] <jcoxon> ooo cool
[16:22] <fuzzylugnuts> Their packet's havn't made it to the system yet, (joys of flying in middle-of-no-where idaho) but when they do, http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=K9GP-10 should be the link
[16:22] <jcoxon> great
[16:22] <fuzzylugnuts> all thats there now is when he was testing.
[16:22] <fuzzylugnuts> they;ve had the FC on for like 2 hours already.... I only designed it for a 4 hour battery life : P
[16:22] <fuzzylugnuts> they are filling the balloon as we speak
[16:42] <fuzzylugnuts> its kiiiiiiiiillling me not to be there :P
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[16:51] <fuzzylugnuts> http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=N7RYN-10
[16:51] <fuzzylugnuts> That one made it to the site
[16:52] <fuzzylugnuts> between those two call signs you should be able to watch it
[16:58] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:04] <jcoxon> oooo good trace on aprs.fi
[17:04] <fuzzylugnuts> link?
[17:05] <jcoxon> http://aprs.fi/?call=N7RYN-10&mt=m&z=11&timerange=3600
[17:06] <fuzzylugnuts> aw sweet
[17:06] <fuzzylugnuts> wow
[17:06] <fuzzylugnuts> its already coming back down, looks like it
[17:06] <SpeedEvil1> http://aprs.fi/?N7RYN-10
[17:06] <SpeedEvil1> for some reason - you have to do that to the link
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[17:07] <SpeedEvil1> err - something like
[17:08] <jcoxon> got to love aprs
[17:08] <fuzzylugnuts> Aaaarrrggg
[17:08] <fuzzylugnuts> And we miss programmed the capsules so no altitude data. Is there a way to down link that off the flight computer?
[17:08] <fuzzylugnuts> : (
[17:09] <fuzzylugnuts> he emailed me that
[17:09] <fuzzylugnuts> sadness.
[17:10] <fuzzylugnuts> thats what you get when you wait to the night before to set it up :P
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[17:11] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:11] <fuzzylugnuts> hmm
[17:11] <fuzzylugnuts> that decent looks pretty low-drift....
[17:13] <fuzzylugnuts> well, I guess not.
[17:16] <fuzzylugnuts> it'd help LOADS if they had checked the little box that said "send altitude"
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[17:23] <jcoxon> hehe
[17:23] <jcoxon> there is a gui to set it up!?!
[17:24] <fuzzylugnuts> yeah, for the Byonics tinytrackers
[17:24] <fuzzylugnuts> the 8w versions
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[17:24] <fuzzylugnuts> hmm.
[17:25] <fuzzylugnuts> its hard to tell if its going up or going down
[17:25] <jcoxon> down
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[17:25] <jcoxon> its now following the same path as the ascent
[17:26] <fuzzylugnuts> ahh... the little curly-q is the peak and burst?
[17:26] <jcoxon> could be
[17:26] <fuzzylugnuts> neat
[17:26] <fuzzylugnuts> http://coyotefirecracker.selfip.com/trak/tracker.html
[17:26] <fuzzylugnuts> thats whats transmitting, btw
[17:28] <jcoxon> nice
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[17:30] <fuzzylugnuts> sweet, its going to land in no-where land.
[17:32] <jcoxon> nice and safe
[17:32] <fuzzylugnuts> Yeah.
[17:33] <jcoxon> how accessible is that area?
[17:33] <fuzzylugnuts> there's a fair amount of 2-track roads out there
[17:34] <fuzzylugnuts> they don't even turn the vans off though, should they not start again.
[17:35] <fuzzylugnuts> juuuust in case : )
[17:35] <jcoxon> it must be pretty much down now
[17:35] <fuzzylugnuts> yeah, slowing down quite a bit
[17:36] <fuzzylugnuts> the biology people are going to be pissed. They sent up some extremeophile bacteria and needed the altitude data.
[17:37] <jcoxon> nothing else is logging altitude?
[17:37] <fuzzylugnuts> just a pressure sensor on the FC.
[17:37] <jcoxon> oh
[17:37] <fuzzylugnuts> it needs to be calibrated though
[17:38] <jcoxon> right fuzzylugnuts ill be back later
[17:38] <jcoxon> good luck with the rest of the flight
[17:38] <fuzzylugnuts> Laters!
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[17:38] <fuzzylugnuts> thanks
[17:48] <fuzzylugnuts> looks like touchdown in the sagebrush.
[17:53] <fuzzylugnuts> would have been nice to see the altitude :P
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[17:58] <Doulkil> kto govorit po-russki?
[17:58] <Doulkil> hi all
[17:59] <sbasuita> hey
[18:00] <Doulkil> thats where this channel
[18:01] <Doulkil> anyone hunted from balloon?
[18:01] <Doulkil> ))
[18:03] <sbasuita> rjharrison, so, I've got configure checking for libcurl and failing if it doesn't find it, or adding -lcurl if it does. Should I commit that?
[18:03] <sbasuita> I haven't addressed any windows issues
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> hi Doulkil
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[18:12] <fuzzylugnuts> DanielRichman doesn't want to be fed, DanielRichman wants to hunt!
[18:13] <fuzzylugnuts> anyways, peace out folks :3
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[18:17] <DanielRichman> Guess who's back... with some RG58!
[18:18] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, how much
[18:18] <DanielRichman> 3 meters
[18:19] <sbasuita> might as well commit the autoconf stuff and get on with the package...
[18:19] <DanielRichman> I've been gone nearly 4 hours
[18:19] <DanielRichman> and you're still fiddling with autoconf?
[18:19] <sbasuita> no
[18:19] <sbasuita> went out for ages
[18:19] <DanielRichman> ok
[18:19] <sbasuita> just got back
[18:22] <DanielRichman> also got some 8AWG wire
[18:22] <DanielRichman> multi core but apparently that shouldn't matter
[18:23] <DanielRichman> got two crimp on BNC plugs and one that attaches in a different way (I forget) just in case
[18:23] <DanielRichman> and finally eight opto isolators for good measure
[18:23] <DanielRichman> sbasuita,
[18:23] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, so you got the 1/8 inch stuff?
[18:24] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I think so. The website was a bit vague as to whether we needed 1/8" diameter or radius, but we can give this stuff a go
[18:24] <DanielRichman> not that I'm building anything today
[18:25] <sbasuita> You got power tools?
[18:25] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, hell yes.
[18:25] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, two drills (one battery, one mains-beefy), an assortment of cutting stuff, clamps, screwdrivers, files
[18:25] <DanielRichman> OH and a soldering iron
[18:26] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, k, well i'll come round yours over half term and we'll make this then
[18:26] <sbasuita> Hehe... ran a newer version of autotools on the dl-fldigi tree, and made a tonne of bugfixes to all the scripts ;P
[18:27] <DanielRichman> right
[18:29] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, as in, autotools cleaned up its ancestors' work
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[18:29] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, interesting.
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[18:29] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I also got a new 3.5ml audio cable ;)
[18:30] <DanielRichman> oh and turns out my brother has a headphone-jack splitter so on the day we can plug headphones aswell as laptop in
[18:30] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, or just use the laptop speakers
[18:30] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, reminds me - need a laptop
[18:30] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, nah. headphones are better
[18:30] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, no, because multiple people need to hear the output
[18:30] <sbasuita> and wires are a pain
[18:30] <DanielRichman> oh and my dad was considering getting a 3G card, at which point my mum stated that she'd like one too. So... :)
[18:31] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, the headphone splitter is six-way
[18:31] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, you want six sets of wires?
[18:31] <sbasuita> sound is wireless - quite a nifty feature imho
[18:31] <DanielRichman> haha.
[18:31] <DanielRichman> we could see if we could get the laptop to run off the car battery
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> ebay adaptors are cheap
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> however
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> running off the car battery is safe - at least it probably won't explode stuff - only if not in a car
[18:32] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, step outside the car for 5 mins
[18:32] <sbasuita> poof
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> or at least - very certain that it won't be started
[18:32] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, 30 mins!"
[18:32] <DanielRichman> but yeah, I get your point
[18:33] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, unless a better solution is found we'll have to do the best with what we've got
[18:33] <DanielRichman> my brother/mum have laptops
[18:33] <DanielRichman> they have really good batteries
[18:33] <DanielRichman> and my brother's laptop has 2gb of ram so I can just use a livecd; boot to ram; then the cd won't consume power
[18:34] <DanielRichman> => success/
[18:34] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, just do a wubi install
[18:34] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, on his laptop
[18:34] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, no. hard drive uses power
[18:34] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, well done
[18:34] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, but it has a proper battery
[18:34] <sbasuita> i'm sure it lasts enough
[18:34] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, so? Could just boot to ram
[18:34] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, what's wrong with that
[18:34] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, just a pain
[18:35] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, nah, not really. It's only a pain if you lose power
[18:35] <DanielRichman> so
[18:35] <DanielRichman> car charger + laptop with good battery and you're sorted
[18:35] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, it's not worth ti
[18:35] <sbasuita> just install it
[18:35] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I don't know what your problem is
[18:35] <DanielRichman> toram is faster than wubi anyway
[18:36] <sbasuita> speed isn't an issue though
[18:36] <DanielRichman> the install takes ages too
[18:36] <DanielRichman> and I expect that there will be objections to me shoving wubi on the hdd
[18:37] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, i don't see how
[18:37] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, it's just like any other app
[18:37] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, besides, it's your little brother. He's not going to beat you up or anything.
[18:37] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, no but he bitches very well
[18:37] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, just tell your parents to tell him to stfu
[18:38] <DanielRichman> no cause then they'll be all like, why is he moaning? you want to instal LINUX? OMG! !!!!!
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> usb key boot is generally faster than cd
[18:38] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, especially when booting to ram.
[18:38] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, and besides, my usb key broke
[18:38] <DanielRichman> :(
[18:39] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, I'm sure there won't be any problems if you ask nicely
[18:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, yeah, whatever. This discussion is irrelevant anyway because it's not like we're launching anytime soon
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[18:40] <sbasuita> jcoxon o/
[18:40] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, how much traffic have you used today? (ask ifconfig)
[18:41] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, er how
[18:41] <DanielRichman> type ifconfig
[18:41] <DanielRichman> this line: RX bytes:1053321475 (1.0 GB) TX bytes:35262390 (35.2 MB)
[18:41] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, nowhere near as much as that
[18:41] <sbasuita> which is odd
[18:41] <sbasuita> oh right
[18:41] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I've watched three things on iplayer; which might explain it
[18:41] <sbasuita> if you had asked me yesterday, it would have been mahoosive from my torrenting
[18:42] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, hmm
[18:42] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, what is it today?
[18:42] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, about a quater rx and half tx
[18:42] <DanielRichman> 250gb?
[18:42] <DanielRichman> **250mb
[18:42] <sbasuita> mm bit more
[18:42] <sbasuita> why?
[18:42] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, just curious how much data would cost on a 3G usb dongle
[18:43] <DanielRichman> pay as you go style
[18:43] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, when are you buying your load balancing router?
[18:43] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, already got one, it's called a linux box
[18:43] <sbasuita> just turn off images in firefox etc
[18:43] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, can you do that?
[18:43] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, very probably
[18:43] <sbasuita> yay
[18:43] <sbasuita> we has .deb
[18:43] Action: sbasuita installs it
[18:43] <DanielRichman> sbasuita :o
[18:43] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, set up a ppa quick
[18:43] <jcoxon> sbasuita, good work
[18:44] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, set up a ppa, upload it to the googlecode downloads page
[18:44] <jcoxon> if it works stick it on the google code
[18:44] <sbasuita> Most of the work was shamefully stolen from the jaunty archive
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> DanielRichman: from memory a tenner a month gets you 3G
[18:44] <sbasuita> nevertheless... ;P
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> DanielRichman: or maybe it was 15 - it's in that realm anyway
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> DanielRichman: or - for t-mobile - 2 pounds a day - however much you use
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> pay as you go
[18:45] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, afaik, it's £15 a gigabyte
[18:45] <DanielRichman> for pay as you go
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> t-mobile is much better for that
[18:45] <DanielRichman> yeah
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> 1 pound a day for as much gprs as you can eat
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> or 2.50 for 5 days
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> 2 for 3g
[18:45] <DanielRichman> hmm
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> I think there are monthly fair use limits
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> but you can get multiple SIMs free, so ...
[18:49] <DanielRichman> Is it possible to measure the gain of an antenna, or how well it's doing? Could we do that easily?
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> there are complex ways
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> then there is a reciever at some distance
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> and compre signal sterngths
[18:50] <DanielRichman> hmm
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> so plug in omni, take baseline, plug in yagi, compare
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[18:51] <SpeedEvil> err - transmitter
[18:58] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, how would you compare signal strengths? Is that a function of the receiver?
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> yes - or adjust sender strength
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> most recievers have a signal level display of some sort
[19:01] <DanielRichman> hmm; ok
[19:01] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, ours has a signal strength indicator
[19:01] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, not very accurate
[19:01] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, but its not going to be practical to compare values imho
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[19:02] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, yeah, just means that we can throw together a few designs (I have quite a lot of that cable) and see which one works best
[19:02] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, just stick to the cheap yagi?
[19:02] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, I know, but there are many designs
[19:02] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, and we have the time
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> If you have the 10mW module, then set it up with a attenuator ont eh output to take it to .1mW, and put it at a hundred meters or so
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> do you have some open space nearby?
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> If so, you can walk round, plugging in the different antennas, to see when the signal meter gets to the top at which point
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> and then 1/r^2 gives you the gain
[19:06] <DanielRichman> okey
[19:06] <DanielRichman> there's a disused airfield nearby
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> If the omni gets 50m, and you can do 120m on the yagi, then it's simply 1/(50/120)^2 gain
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> or about 5*
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[19:08] <Futurity> Hi
[19:08] <sbasuita> Time to set up a PPA for dl-fldigi....
[19:08] <sbasuita> Futurity, hello
[19:08] <Futurity> sbasuita
[19:08] <Futurity> ooops sbasuita: hi back ;)
[19:08] <sbasuita> o/
[19:09] <Futurity> unsing Colloquy on the mac and can't find a way of directing a message back to someone
[19:09] <Futurity> is anyone here going to the launch tomorrow?
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[19:14] <Futurity> Anyone know any details about tomorrow's launch?
[19:15] <DanielRichman> http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas/browse_thread/thread/4b7c6df4fa0bca5b is all I know. BBL
[19:15] <DanielRichman> ask jcoxon
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[19:19] <Futurity> lol Daniel you said speak to jcoxon and he instantly left
[19:20] <sbasuita> pfff all showing off with his os x ability to use acpi...
[19:22] <Futurity> i've not tried it on mine to be honest
[19:22] <Futurity> what is acpi?
[19:22] <Futurity> hardware detection / configuration?
[19:23] <sbasuita> Basically a rubbish joke about linux being crap at sleeping/hibernating etc
[19:23] <Bertrix> .:DanielRichman:. sbasuita, just curious how much data would cost on a 3G usb dongle
[19:23] <sbasuita> No idea tbh
[19:23] <Bertrix> In belgium you can get 1GB for 15euros
[19:23] <Bertrix> which also gives you 1000 free sms and some free call minutes
[19:25] <sbasuita> When the -0ubuntu2 version finishes building, feel free to install dl-fldigi ; ) https://launchpad.net/~simrunbasuita/+archive/ppa
[19:26] <sbasuita> Oh what!
[19:26] <sbasuita> Debian packager scripts have screwed me over and updated it to karmic
[19:26] <sbasuita> -.-
[19:35] <sbasuita> *sigh*
[19:35] <sbasuita> -0ubuntu3 is good to go once its built
[19:35] Action: sbasuita goes to get some food
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[19:51] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, oh dear. We don't want no karmic fldigi
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[19:59] <Futurity> Hi Ed
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[20:06] <sbasuita> jcoxon, you can point debian enthusiasts at https://launchpad.net/~simrunbasuita/+archive/ppa for a source for dl-fldigi packages
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[20:07] <sbasuita> G8KHW, hey, fill us all in on the launch tomorrow!
[20:07] <jcoxon> sbasuita, do you want to put it on the google code download section?
[20:08] <G8KHW> its a launch tomorrow from the EARS site - a dual payload thing with 2 trackers on different frequencies 434.075 amd 434.650Mhz
[20:08] <G8KHW> launch time about 12:00 +/-
[20:08] <sbasuita> jcoxon, it's best just to have a note telling users to follow instructions at https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA?action=show&redirect=PPA#Installing%20software%20from%20a%20PPA to add the repository at https://launchpad.net/~simrunbasuita/+archive/ppa/ . That way, easy automatic updates and multiple arches.
[20:09] <sbasuita> What's on the payloads?
[20:10] <G8KHW> cameras - its more of a camera test
[20:11] <G8KHW> jcoxon: are there any xmls yet?
[20:11] <jcoxon> yes
[20:11] <jcoxon> all done
[20:12] <jcoxon> if you load fldigi
[20:12] <jcoxon> you can select the payloads
[20:13] <jcoxon> sbasuita, wow good work, compiled cleanly from source
[20:13] <sbasuita> jcoxon, i don't know if i broke compilation on os x/win though
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[20:13] <jcoxon> G8KHW, Futurity would like to come to the launch tomorrow
[20:14] <rjharrison> Quick shout
[20:14] <sbasuita> As in, I don't know if libcurl will be detected properly by autotools
[20:14] <jcoxon> well it compiles clean on mac
[20:14] <rjharrison> sbasuita: Tricky eh!
[20:14] <sbasuita> rjharrison, https://launchpad.net/~simrunbasuita/+archive/ppa/
[20:14] <sbasuita> ; P
[20:14] <sbasuita> Ah good
[20:14] <sbasuita> Well, windows users can suffer for once if they can't compile
[20:14] <sbasuita> I don't see why they'd want to
[20:14] <sbasuita> ; P
[20:15] <rjharrison> hehe
[20:15] <rjharrison> Does it do static linking in cygwin
[20:15] <rjharrison> That would make me impressed
[20:15] <sbasuita> rjharrison, nope
[20:15] <rjharrison> Well done you
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[20:15] <sbasuita> rjharrison, it just says "You don't have libcurl? Fail. You do? Link."
[20:15] <rjharrison> Cool
[20:16] <rjharrison> anyhow I wa shouting LOUD because
[20:16] <rjharrison> I have 2 payloads being tracted simultaniously into the tracker
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[20:16] <rjharrison> tracked
[20:16] <rjharrison> can't type though :)
[20:18] <sbasuita> Could rjharrison or jcoxon add a note on the front page of the google code project explaining win/mac users go to downloads, debian-derivatives go to https://launchpad.net/~simrunbasuita/+archive/ppa/ and linux users go to source?
[20:23] <Futurity> jcoxon: I'll check back a bit later on. If G8KHW comes back, could you ask him for me if it would be ok to come along?
[20:23] <jcoxon> sbasuita, will do
[20:28] <rjharrison> Yo Futurity
[20:29] <rjharrison> Futurity I think it should be fine for you to come along subject to steve saying it's ok
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[20:35] <natrium42> o/
[20:35] <jcoxon> hey natrium42
[20:36] <natrium42> hi jatkins
[20:36] <sbasuita> WANT
[20:36] <sbasuita> http://www.rotorbrain.com/blog/2009/05/ghostmatrix.html
[20:36] <natrium42> and hi jcoxon too
[20:36] <natrium42> :D
[20:36] Action: natrium42 looks at tab complete
[20:36] <natrium42> whoa 32 people
[20:36] <natrium42> though most of them are jiffe
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[20:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, that's awesome
[20:39] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, need to make one.
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[20:43] <jcoxon> sbasuita, done
[20:43] <sbasuita> jcoxon, great : )
[20:44] <jcoxon> http://code.google.com/p/dl-fldigi/
[20:46] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, you could create a dl-fldigi group on launchpad that way it'd be ~dl-fldigi/ppa
[20:46] <DanielRichman> etc.
[20:46] <DanielRichman> or use the multiple ppa features to make monkeystudio not list there ;)
[20:46] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, yeh perhaps
[20:46] <sbasuita> probably just add another ppa
[20:46] <sbasuita> can't be bothered to set up a group
[20:46] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, lazy
[20:47] <DanielRichman> it's all about the nice url
[20:47] <sbasuita> need my name in the url
[20:47] <sbasuita> ; P
[20:47] <DanielRichman> hmmph; ok
[20:54] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, what software do you use for your local backups?
[20:54] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, rdiff-backup
[20:55] <DanielRichman> and rsync
[20:55] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, encrypted?
[20:55] <DanielRichman> I use rsync to mirror the Music Folder
[20:55] <DanielRichman> but use rdiff-backup for the rest
[20:55] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, nah, cba to encrypt
[20:55] <sbasuita> that's rubbish then
[20:55] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, although I do pass a rule to rdiff-backup to exclude the ~/Private folder
[20:55] <DanielRichman> and it grabs .Private
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> rsync over ssh is trivial
[20:55] <DanielRichman> so I can just use the ecryptfs commands to re-mount it.
[20:55] <sbasuita> SpeedEvil, I'd rather have the backups themselves encrypted
[20:56] <sbasuita> My whole /home is crypto ; P
[20:56] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, nah, this is backup to disk; and sbasuita wants his hdd encrypted
[20:56] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, freak. that's just not required
[20:56] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, oh it is
[20:56] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, The stuff I care about goes in ~/Private
[20:56] <rjharrison> biab
[20:56] <DanielRichman> but everything else I'm cool with in /home
[20:56] <sbasuita> pfff
[20:56] <sbasuita> got's to be crypto
[20:57] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, when I next come round I'll delete your .ecryptfs file then reboot. Muahaha
[20:57] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, all of your data will be gone.
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> ah
[20:57] <sbasuita> oops grammar nazi apostrophe condemnation
[20:57] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, you assume my .ecryptfs file isn't backed up
[20:57] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, you told me yourself you don't do backups
[20:57] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, not of everything regularly
[20:57] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, but i have stuff floating around. important bits
[20:57] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, besides. If i was in a position to delete .ecryptfs I could just nuke the /home itself
[20:58] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, if you did that you would be seriously injured
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[20:58] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, and this is why you need backups. I can give you my backup script if you want
[20:58] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, need the crypto
[21:00] <sbasuita> This looks nice: http://linux.die.net/man/1/duplicity
[21:01] <sbasuita> and it's already installed.... =/
[21:03] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, lol: If you are backing up the root directory /, remember to --exclude /proc, or else duplicity will probably crash on the weird stuff in there.
[21:03] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, here's the command I use: rdiff-backup --exclude /proc --exclude /sys --exclude /lost+found --exclude /mnt --exclude $1 --exclude /media --exclude /home/*/.gvfs --exclude /home/*/Music --preserve-numerical-ids --print-statistics / $1/rdiff/`hostname`
[21:05] <DanielRichman> argh. Which boob over at w3 decided that the height parameter is now banned? (HTML)
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> prolly exclude /tmp too
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> and /var/tmp
[21:07] <sbasuita> Damn. Going to have to repartition this external hdd to avoid FAT hell.
[21:07] <sbasuita> Hope I don't destroy dad's backups in the process :P
[21:07] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, haha
[21:08] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, and maybe /lib/init/rw, /var/lock, /var/run
[21:08] <DanielRichman> not /dev. We like /dev
[21:08] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, have fun backing up /dev/urandom
[21:09] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, rdiff copies it as a device-node you mofo
[21:09] <sbasuita> This 1TB beast is pretty hardcore - it has its own cooling fan
[21:09] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, :O
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[21:13] <sbasuita> Oh noes. It is NTFS - dare I shrink it?
[21:15] <sbasuita> Going to have to copy its contents to my hdd, just to be safe.
[21:16] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, you enjoy that
[21:16] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, 30 mins remaining
[21:16] <sbasuita> <3 backups
[21:17] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, my backups finish in ~2minutes
[21:17] <DanielRichman> less than that
[21:17] <DanielRichman> well, the first one took about 20 to copy the flacs, but after that it's super quick
[21:17] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, yes but they are differential
[21:17] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, REVERSE differential ;)
[21:17] <DanielRichman> and rdiff-backup gzips the old files too
[21:17] <DanielRichman> it's written in your beloved python
[21:18] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, what's the golden ratio again?
[21:18] <DanielRichman> .wik golden ratio
[21:18] <herabot> "In mathematics and the arts, two quantities are in the golden ratio if the ratio between the sum of those quantities and the larger one is the same as the ratio between the larger one and the smaller." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio
[21:18] <DanielRichman> ARGH.
[21:18] <DanielRichman> all I wanted was a freaking number
[21:19] <sbasuita> e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0
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[21:19] <sbasuita> What does that actually mean?
[21:19] <DanielRichman> 1.61 in other words -.-
[21:19] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, ask uncle wolfram
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[21:20] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, he's not very good at explaining
[21:20] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, he provides cold hard facts. And answers
[21:20] <edmoore> jcoxon: are you on later this eve? If so will discuss 2morrow with you. But I assume it is as per email - I won't be around to adjust radio so the most reliable solution is needed
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[21:33] <sbasuita> =/ Duplicity is in beta
[21:34] <sbasuita> BTW (thanks to daniel ;P) could somebody update the google code dl-fldigi to point to https://launchpad.net/~simrunbasuita/+archive/dl-fldigi ?
[21:35] <DanielRichman> ARgh. Sometimes cascading stylesheets can be an absolute pain
[21:38] <sbasuita> Actually, duplicity has been in debian for 6 years.... stable enough for me ;)
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[21:49] <sbasuita> Better reboot to vista to resize the ntfs partition; bbl.
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[22:49] <rjharrison> Yo steve
[22:50] <rjharrison> U there
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[22:53] <rjharrison> Boo
[22:53] <jcoxon> hey
[22:57] <jcoxon> G8KHW ping
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[22:58] <jcoxon> G8KHW-4, ping
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[22:58] <fuzzylugnuts> balloon recovered : )
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[22:59] <jcoxon> fuzzylugnuts, excellent
[22:59] <fuzzylugnuts> took them forever traveling on the dirt roads, but they got it.
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> you mean the payload?
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> or did it not cutdown
[22:59] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!n=jcoxon@host86-163-199-83.range86-163.btcentralplus.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, wiki.ukhas.org.uk - Launch: XABEN5/6 12:00BST 24/05/09, http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[23:00] <fuzzylugnuts> it landed in baren area... they plan for this
[23:00] <fuzzylugnuts> its called tear-assing down a two-track road in big-ass rental vans
[23:00] <fuzzylugnuts> totally needless, but very fun.
[23:01] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:01] <jcoxon> get any altitude data?
[23:01] <fuzzylugnuts> omg.. last time we launched we had this little news woman with us. I think we scared her because she wouldn't even get out of the fan once we arrived.
[23:02] <fuzzylugnuts> jcoxon: just the pressure sensor...I can compare it to last launch to roughly cross-calibrate, but it would be better to launch again with altitude reported.
[23:02] <fuzzylugnuts> *fan = van
[23:03] <jcoxon> :-)
[23:04] <fuzzylugnuts> it was funny, she shot the interview from the side-door of the van.
[23:06] <fuzzylugnuts> did you see the new 2w vhf transceivers from Radiometrix?
[23:08] <jcoxon> oh no,
[23:08] <jcoxon> little powerful for us :)
[23:09] <fuzzylugnuts> and what amazing things you do with it
[23:11] <fuzzylugnuts> jcoxon: is that for all frequencies?
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[23:59] <jcoxon> hy edmoore
[23:59] <edmoore> hi
[23:59] <jcoxon> so tomorrow...
[23:59] <jcoxon> well today in 1 min
[23:59] <edmoore> oh god]
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