highaltitude.log.20090517

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[00:05] <Laurenceb> hi guys
[00:11] <sbasuita> night guys
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[00:39] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: solution for your radio
[00:39] <SpeedEvil> reciever at least
[00:39] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-penetrating_radar
[00:39] <SpeedEvil> err
[00:39] <SpeedEvil> http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/ads5482.html
[00:39] <SpeedEvil> insane
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[08:44] <jcoxon> morning
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[09:34] <edmoore> morning jcoxon
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[10:36] <rjharrison> morning all
[10:36] <rjharrison> any one heard from jcoxon this morning?
[10:37] <rjharrison> !last jcoxon
[10:45] <DanielRichman> rjharrison,
[10:45] <DanielRichman> .seen jcoxon
[10:45] <herabot> DanielRichman: I last saw jcoxon at 2009-05-17 07:44:29 UTC on #highaltitude
[10:45] <DanielRichman> that's the last time he spoke iirc
[10:45] <DanielRichman> zeusbot logs when they're online; herabot when they speak
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[10:53] <jcoxon> oops, missed rjharrison
[10:58] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, (what) did you use to do GSM in your payloads
[10:58] <jcoxon> hey DanielRichman
[10:58] <DanielRichman> Hi
[10:59] <jcoxon> as i was using a gumstix with linux i used gnokii with a nokia 5110
[10:59] <jcoxon> but since then i've been using a gm862 module
[10:59] <DanielRichman> hmm. how did you attach the 5110?
[10:59] <jcoxon> which is a gsm module in itself ttl,AT comands
[10:59] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, serial
[10:59] <jcoxon> 3.3v direct using an adapted cable
[10:59] <DanielRichman> did you have a cable or did you solder to it?
[11:00] <DanielRichman> ahh. And you say it accepts AT commands?
[11:00] <jcoxon> soldering to those pads is a tough one
[11:00] <jcoxon> no its fbus
[11:00] <jcoxon> but gnokii makes that bit transparent
[11:00] <DanielRichman> ahh, neat
[11:01] <DanielRichman> I'd heard about gnokii
[11:01] <jcoxon> its very well documented
[11:01] <jcoxon> if you are a code wizard perhaps a avr lib of fbus
[11:01] <jcoxon> as nokia 5110s are incredibly cheap and incredibly resiliant
[11:01] <DanielRichman> hehe. I was just experimenting with fbus earlier. Couldn't get a response though
[11:03] <jcoxon> there is another option that could be explored
[11:04] <DanielRichman> oh?
[11:04] <jcoxon> farnell are stocking some very cheap gsm modules
[11:04] <jcoxon> http://uk.farnell.com/simcom
[11:04] <DanielRichman> interesting
[11:05] <jcoxon> at 35 pounds they are quite reasonable
[11:05] <DanielRichman> sbasuita has a phone that does AT commands. We were hoping to try using that, but aparantly APEX tried it and couldn't find a suitable UART
[11:05] <DanielRichman> I'm going to have a go at it with a multimeter on monday, but not sure about that
[11:05] <jcoxon> at the moment i'm using my gm862
[11:06] <jcoxon> works very well, runs off a 3.7v LiPo battery direct
[11:06] <DanielRichman> how do you control it?
[11:06] <jcoxon> at commands via serial
[11:06] <jcoxon> but it also has a python processor onboard as well
[11:06] <DanielRichman> is that python as in, the python programming language?
[11:06] <jcoxon> yes
[11:07] <jcoxon> however just a warning - its an arse to work with, the python that is - have to debug pretty much blind as it compiles it before running it
[11:07] <DanielRichman> interesting... a dedicated python chip? We'd probably just use AT like you - is the gm862 a farnell thing?
[11:07] <jcoxon> and doesn't give you any feedback
[11:07] <jcoxon> well it can - there are 2 versions
[11:08] <jcoxon> gm862-py and gm862-gps (sirfIII)
[11:08] <jcoxon> the gm862-gps is newer with a better firmware
[11:08] <DanielRichman> hmm. the gp862 looks like an absolute pain to connect to a pcb
[11:09] <jcoxon> e.g. http://www.sequoia.co.uk/shop/product.php?p=25
[11:09] <jcoxon> yeah there are breakboards - sparkfun, robosavvy
[11:10] <jcoxon> seen this: http://www.embedtronics.com/nokia/fbus.html
[11:10] <DanielRichman> yeah, i saw that
[11:10] <DanielRichman> was sending the nokia I had a few of its demo packets
[11:10] <DanielRichman> but the fbus pads were gold and the sodler kept on coming off
[11:11] <jcoxon> need to get a cable really
[11:11] <DanielRichman> yes
[11:11] <DanielRichman> however, we've already written the AT code because we thought that we'd be using the w800 ericsson for sure, so If I can I'm going to use that.
[11:12] <DanielRichman> but I was going to try and get a gsm/sms module so that I can remote-reboot my server if it crashes.
[11:12] <jcoxon> fair enough
[11:12] <DanielRichman> thanks for the pointers
[11:12] <jcoxon> np
[11:12] <jcoxon> gm862 might be the best for that then
[11:12] <jcoxon> simple python script to read sms then gpio to trigger a reset
[11:13] <DanielRichman> yeah. could attach it to the reset switch on the front of the case (the pins of the switch) and a relay/transistor/optoisolator to trigger it
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[11:15] <jcoxon> wow i'm itching to launch a balloon
[11:15] <jcoxon> its been far to long
[11:20] <jcoxon> and yet the weather isn't going to improve this week either
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[11:27] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, if you are free at sometime - any research on gsm etc you could add to the wiki would be great:
[11:27] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/guides:gsm_modules
[11:28] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, will do
[11:30] <DanielRichman> looking at http://uk.farnell.com/simcom/sim340ez/mod-gsm-gprs-quadband-simholder/dp/1678290
[11:30] <DanielRichman> can't find its detailed datasheet though
[11:30] <DanielRichman> the one linked on that page is rubbish
[11:30] <jcoxon> i have only seen them on farnell - never actually used one
[11:31] <DanielRichman> hmm
[11:31] <jcoxon> right will bbl - brunch
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[11:35] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, did you get anywhere with your nokias?
[11:38] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, not really
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[13:54] <mc-> http://uk.farnell.com/simcom/ - I've used them, they work great
[13:54] <mc-> got a pcb for them
[13:55] <mc-> I guess nobody's interested
[13:56] <DanielRichman> mc-, I'm interested - we're looking into SMS/GSM stuff
[13:56] <DanielRichman> jcoxon recommended them but had never tried it, so good to hear that they are actually great
[13:56] <DanielRichman> which module did you use and what for?
[13:56] <mc-> I've used 300D and 340Ds
[13:57] <sbasuita> mc-, those are without the sim holders?
[13:57] <mc-> yes, my PCB connects up to the SIM holder
[13:57] <mc-> it's only 5 connections
[13:57] <mc-> I've done it with wires before
[13:58] <DanielRichman> mc-, I can't find any technical documentation on farnell's website. Where did you find out what the pin layout was, etc.?
[13:58] <mc-> you have to be careful not to drive the RX input above 2.85V
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[13:59] <mc-> I got the datasheet sometime ago, what's your email?
[13:59] <DanielRichman> daniel@richmanwebsite.co.uk
[14:01] <mc-> sent
[14:03] <mc-> I'm getting a GSM+PCB back from natrium, I can sent you that.
[14:04] <DanielRichman> just got the email - thanks :)
[14:05] <mc-> what processor do you use? I've got some C that converts NMEA into a SMS.
[14:07] <DanielRichman> We're using an atmega, and we've already coded the AT/PDU code, because we originally intended to use an ericsson. But turned out that we can't (the AT over serial was a 'virtual' terminal, not a real UART, so can't connect the microprocessor to it)
[14:08] <DanielRichman> so we're looking at alternatives noew
[14:08] <DanielRichman> *now
[14:08] <Matt_APEX> old nokias?
[14:09] <DanielRichman> nokia bad. FBUS stinks
[14:09] <DanielRichman> AT is the way to go
[14:11] <Matt_APEX> so AT is a standard used by ericssons, alothugh its virtual, but there are other phones/modules which use it then?
[14:12] <DanielRichman> Not sure. Virtually all the GSM module manufactures do atleast one that supports AT
[14:13] <Matt_APEX> ok
[14:13] <DanielRichman> If we were using a linux board then we could just plug in the ericsson via USB, modprobe and we're rolling. But a lot trickier using an AVR
[14:13] <mc-> much easier to use a simcom module, it's standard AT commands
[14:13] <mc-> over serial
[14:13] <Matt_APEX> yea, well we were going to do something similar with PICs
[14:13] Action: SpeedEvil points DanielRichman at bifferboard.com :)
[14:13] <DanielRichman> SpeedEvil, HEHE
[14:14] <DanielRichman> *caps unintended
[14:14] <DanielRichman> aww
[14:14] <DanielRichman> www.bifferboard.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again.
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> bifferos.com even
[14:14] <DanielRichman> yeah, that's the one
[14:14] <DanielRichman> they're awesome
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> yeah - in some ways
[14:14] <DanielRichman> could just use that
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> very limited in others
[14:15] <mc-> pics are free samples though
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> The simple ease of use - if you can jam it all on USB bus is a big plus.
[14:15] <Matt_APEX> 1W is rather alot tho?
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> Matt_APEX: yes, it is.
[14:15] <DanielRichman> Only needs to be turned on to send sms
[14:15] <Matt_APEX> alothugh thats max i assume
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> Matt_APEX: doesn't powerave well AIUI.
[14:16] <DanielRichman> Has anyone experimented with the FTDI USB Hosts?
[14:17] <Matt_APEX> arnt they a standard USB -> serial IC?
[14:17] <DanielRichman> the hosts are different
[14:17] <Matt_APEX> oh ok
[14:17] <DanielRichman> I *think* it lets you interface any usb device
[14:17] <DanielRichman> communicating by spi, serial etc.
[14:17] <DanielRichman> not sure though.
[14:17] <DanielRichman> One other thing we were looking at is talking to the phone by IRDA. Dirty hack, but still
[14:17] <Matt_APEX> are you thinking on connecting one to a erission then
[14:18] <DanielRichman> Matt_APEX, unless we can find a phone that exposes an AT UART then we're either buying a GSM module or communicating with the ericsson some other way
[14:19] <mc-> I played around with sending tones to the phone, and putting it into autoanswer mode
[14:19] <mc-> it seemed to work, but I've never flown it
[14:19] <Matt_APEX> yea, it was my understanding when the ericsson gets some valid usb comms it opens up the serial uart, if that made any sense
[14:21] <DanielRichman> that's an interesting idea... so you make the phone answer any calls automatically then just play it beeps to send a message to control?
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> theoretically low baudrate FSK will make it through the phone codec fine
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> 10-20 baud
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> mfsk, dominoex, ...
[14:23] <DanielRichman> hmm
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OLIVIA_1000_32_sample.ogg forex
[14:30] <DanielRichman> mc-, where did you get that datasheet from?
[14:34] <mc-> i used morse code tones, it was slow but that doesn't matter
[14:34] <mc-> I think I got the dsheet from a simcom website 2 years ago
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> morse works too
[14:35] <mc-> tones were 1=. 2=.. 3=... etc
[14:35] <mc-> 5= - 6= -.
[14:39] <DanielRichman> oh ffs. Have to register to download
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[16:02] <mc-> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/angular-rate-sensor-ewts82-p-193.html - a cheap gyro for Laurenceb
[16:02] <mc-> only $5
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[16:44] <SpeedEvil> bloody huge tho
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> and half a degree a second isn't brilliant noise
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[17:04] <edmoore> afternoon all
[17:04] <DanielRichman> edmoore, hi
[17:04] <edmoore> jcoxon: what a crappy day
[17:05] <edmoore> lucky no launches
[17:18] <sbasuita> Anybody on twitter?
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[17:47] <edmoore> gaaaaaaaaaaah
[17:47] <sbasuita> omg it IS you
[17:47] <sbasuita> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXHA32FBgM
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[18:03] <jcoxon> edmoore, yeah, terrible weather
[18:03] <jcoxon> i don't think next weekend will be any good
[18:03] <edmoore> am going to dl red alert
[18:04] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:04] <jcoxon> its all about total annihilation
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[18:18] <DanielRichman> what's everyone up to?
[18:19] <jcoxon> absolutely nothing
[18:19] <jcoxon> waiting for rjharrison to get back so we can fix teh DL client
[18:20] <DanielRichman> fix? how's it borken?
[18:20] <jcoxon> well its not really, we are working on the MkII
[18:21] <DanielRichman> mm
[18:21] <jcoxon> had some fork issue with zombies etc
[18:21] <DanielRichman> why did you need to fork?
[18:22] <jcoxon> well teh dl client is now intergrated directly into fldigi
[18:22] <DanielRichman> you build a custom fldigi?
[18:22] <jcoxon> and be cause of latency from uploading data over then net we were forking to avoid screwing the decode
[18:22] <jcoxon> yes
[18:23] <DanielRichman> ah
[18:23] <DanielRichman> latency? can't you shove it in a pipe/socket and let the kernel do the rest?
[18:23] <DanielRichman> or are you packing every upload into a http request
[18:23] <jcoxon> yeah its an curl http post
[18:24] <jcoxon> the new plan is to fork right at the beginning and then pass it between parent and child
[18:24] <edmoore> jcoxon: do u have the iso?
[18:24] <jcoxon> (pass strings that is to upload)
[18:24] <jcoxon> edmoore, of what?
[18:24] <DanielRichman> hmm
[18:24] <DanielRichman> pipe-style?
[18:24] <edmoore> Red alert
[18:24] <edmoore> the dl site is being annoying
[18:25] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, possibly or signals
[18:25] <jcoxon> edmoore, ummm let me look
[18:25] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, signals? how would that work? dump the string in a file then SIGHUP it or something?
[18:26] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, thats where my understand stops - tis rjharrison's field
[18:26] <jcoxon> edmoore, yes
[18:26] <DanielRichman> ahh
[18:26] <edmoore> do u have the b/w available to whack it over skype, say?
[18:26] <jcoxon> understanding
[18:26] <jcoxon> edmoore, yes, though it ain't going to be super quick
[18:27] <edmoore> let me give this site one more shot
[18:27] <jcoxon> or you can go over my webserver
[18:30] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, you could (just a thought) have the dl client upload over irc
[18:30] <DanielRichman> apart from having a slight awesome-factor (very slight ;)) it means that any server wishing to display results or even the people chasing could listen in
[18:31] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, surely its the job of the tracker itself to provide that functionality
[18:31] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, decentralisation
[18:31] <DanielRichman> and irc is "live feed" style
[18:31] <DanielRichman> don't have to spam f5
[18:31] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, yes but you don't get the clients to upload
[18:32] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, the server has the definitive position at any one time
[18:32] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, so it should post to irc, not each client
[18:32] <DanielRichman> maybe. but I reckon it'd be easier to upload form client to tracker via irc too
[18:32] <DanielRichman> jcoxon, how do you determine the correct telemetry from all the strings the clients upload?
[18:32] <sbasuita> just adds complexity and you don't really gain much
[18:32] <jcoxon> we are sticking with POST
[18:33] <jcoxon> no irc
[18:33] <sbasuita> the server should post to twitter
[18:33] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, we check a number of variables
[18:33] <jcoxon> such as length etc
[18:34] <DanielRichman> mmm
[18:34] <jcoxon> but to check whether which is right, we compare them between each other
[18:34] <edmoore> jcoxon: mind if we try it on skype?
[18:34] <edmoore> or whatever
[18:34] <edmoore> eg your server
[18:35] <jcoxon> yes one sec
[18:36] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, we've run a lot of tests on how rtty works especially during flights
[18:36] <jcoxon> and have worked out a number of rules to test the data by
[18:37] <jcoxon> edmoore, skype
[18:37] <edmoore> am there
[18:37] <jcoxon> you changed your account?
[18:38] <edmoore> nope?
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[19:39] <edmoore> It should be noted that no ethically-trained software engineer would ever consent to write a DestroyBaghdad procedure. Basic professional ethics would instead require him to write a DestroyCity procedure, to which Baghdad could be given as a parameter.
[19:40] <sbasuita> hehe
[19:48] <KingJ> heh
[19:48] <KingJ> sbasuita: Jon will drop by a little later
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[20:13] <Jon_APEX> hi all
[20:16] <DanielRichman> HI Jon_APEX
[20:16] <DanielRichman> any luck with the ericsson?
[20:17] <Jon_APEX> almost certainly an emulated UART
[20:17] <DanielRichman> so no go :(
[20:17] <Jon_APEX> doesn't respond to anything from a uC
[20:17] <Jon_APEX> the only way is to get an AVR with a USB port
[20:18] <Jon_APEX> but even that would involve taking serial packets, packetising them as USB and then sending
[20:18] <DanielRichman> hmm
[20:18] <natrium42> Jon_APEX, that wouldn't work
[20:19] <natrium42> there are no AVRs with USB host
[20:19] <DanielRichman> You can get some FTDI chips to do a USB host but never tried it
[20:19] <Jon_APEX> hmm, maybe it was a PIC?
[20:19] <natrium42> nope
[20:19] <Jon_APEX> i've not really looked into it
[20:19] <natrium42> usb host is very hard
[20:19] <Jon_APEX> because it's not a solution I plan on using
[20:20] <Jon_APEX> nokia FBUS might be the only way. irritating as it is
[20:21] <DanielRichman> arrgh. Really don't want to try fbus
[20:21] <DanielRichman> might get a sms module
[20:21] <jcoxon> gm862
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[20:21] <jcoxon> go for it
[20:21] <natrium42> i've got a sony ericsson z600 which works with serial
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[20:21] <Jon_APEX> really?
[20:21] <natrium42> but it's locked to my old carrier
[20:22] <natrium42> got the cable, though, if you need
[20:22] <Jon_APEX> does it just have a serial UART port?
[20:22] <natrium42> yes
[20:22] <Jon_APEX> hmm
[20:22] <Jon_APEX> baud?
[20:22] <natrium42> you can have it if you want
[20:22] <natrium42> hmm
[20:22] <natrium42> i could take a look at it
[20:23] <Jon_APEX> that would be very helpful
[20:23] <Jon_APEX> i didn't know there were any ericssons with real UARTs
[20:24] <sbasuita> Ouch: $100 dollars for a gm862 :S
[20:25] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, was looking at a £30 sms module
[20:25] <DanielRichman> but not sure
[20:25] <sbasuita> mmm
[20:25] <sbasuita> what, just sms?
[20:25] <DanielRichman> ye
[20:25] <jcoxon> ?55 for a gm852 from a uk supplier
[20:25] <jcoxon> gm862*
[20:26] <sbasuita> Well, we'll try and get it for free, else it is too much.
[20:26] <G8KHW> bbl
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[20:28] <Jon_APEX> £30's a lot
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[20:30] <Matt_APEX> alternatives for the ftdi ICs - http://para.maxim-ic.com/en/search.mvp?fam=usb_controllers&tree=master
[20:30] <Matt_APEX> or perhaps http://para.maxim-ic.com/en/search.mvp?fam=usb_fam&tree=master but i think theyre something different
[20:33] <natrium42> Jon_APEX, hmm, looks like the cable i have is for an old audiovox phone
[20:33] <sbasuita> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RIM-1802G-1800-MHZ-900-MH-GSM-GPRS-OEM-Modem-Module_W0QQitemZ290276292642QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item290276292642&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177
[20:33] <natrium42> Z600 does seem to have serial, though ---> http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/erics_t28_pinout.shtml
[20:34] <natrium42> http://www.ericsson-battery.com/ericsson-battery-z600-datacable.html
[20:34] <Jon_APEX> hmm ok
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[20:44] <jcoxon> ooo any mac users around here who are free for 20mins
[20:47] <natrium42> kinda, i am on ubuntu though
[20:47] <natrium42> rarely boot OSX
[20:48] <jcoxon> please please please hehe :-)
[20:48] <jcoxon> just need to see if my dmg works and fldigi loads
[20:48] <natrium42> ok, just let me finish this article
[20:48] <natrium42> and i will reboot
[20:48] <natrium42> http://blog.mycology.cornell.edu/?p=68
[20:48] <natrium42> mushrooms are serious business ^
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[20:53] <natrium42> jcoxon: ok, osx here :)
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[21:09] <Snomi> sbasuita?
[21:10] <sbasuita> Snomi?
[21:10] <Snomi> hey
[21:10] <Snomi> you alright?
[21:10] <sbasuita> ; P
[21:11] <sbasuita> stressed
[21:11] <sbasuita> tired
[21:11] <sbasuita> but yeh
[21:11] <Snomi> why??
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[21:11] <sbasuita> exams
[21:11] <sbasuita> why do you think?
[21:11] <Snomi> meh
[21:11] <sbasuita> tomorrow is my hardest day
[21:11] <Snomi> RS...
[21:11] <sbasuita> history and greek
[21:11] <Snomi> oh!!
[21:11] <sbasuita> not to mention rs, which i just haven't bothered looking at
[21:11] <Snomi> i only have RS
[21:11] <Snomi> HAHAHA
[21:11] <Snomi> i laugh at you
[21:11] <Snomi> :P jks
[21:11] <sbasuita> thx
[21:12] <Snomi> i pity you
[21:12] <Snomi> -_-
[21:12] <sbasuita> you are really comforting simon
[21:12] <Snomi> thanks
[21:12] <Snomi> 21:12 Snomi i pity you
[21:12] <Snomi> ^^
[21:12] <Snomi> =]
[21:12] <Snomi> its weird, i cant get any other IRC clients to connect to anywhere
[21:12] <Snomi> =/
[21:12] <Snomi> sbasuita
[21:13] <sbasuita> aww
[21:13] <sbasuita> error?
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> DNS?
[21:13] <Snomi> nah
[21:13] <sbasuita> Snomi, you're using mibbit though?
[21:13] <Snomi> just doesnt connect
[21:13] <Snomi> times out
[21:13] <sbasuita> Snomi, is this mirc?
[21:13] <Snomi> but ive tried xchat, mIRC and leafchat
[21:13] <Snomi> all of which time out on 6667
[21:13] <DanielRichman> Snomi, you're connecting to irc.freenode.net?
[21:14] <Snomi> well on xchat you just choose from a drop down
[21:14] <DanielRichman> even that doesn't work?
[21:14] <DanielRichman> who's your ISP
[21:14] <Snomi> virgin
[21:14] <sbasuita> unlucky
[21:14] <Snomi> who happen to be ****s
[21:14] <Snomi> lol
[21:14] <sbasuita> Snomi, so you can't connect to freenode?
[21:14] <Snomi> or anywhere else
[21:14] <Snomi> i dont think
[21:14] <DanielRichman> afaik virgin internet is fine with irc
[21:14] <Snomi> so ill just use mibbit
[21:14] <Snomi> afaik?
[21:15] <DanielRichman> I have a virgin internet connnection (just don't use it)
[21:15] <sbasuita> .wik afaik
[21:15] <herabot> "Article" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFAIK
[21:15] <sbasuita> ...
[21:15] <Snomi> oh great
[21:15] <sbasuita> Snomi, "as far as i know"
[21:15] <Snomi> .ety afaik
[21:15] <herabot> Can't find the etymology for "afaik". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=afaik
[21:15] <Snomi> :P
[21:15] <Snomi> as far as i know
[21:15] <Snomi> fair
[21:15] Action: sbasuita forces himself back onto the last page of greek vocab
[21:16] <Snomi> unlucky
[21:16] <Snomi> aww you're so gutted
[21:16] Action: DanielRichman forces himself back onto the first page of greek vocab
[21:16] <DanielRichman> now
[21:16] <DanielRichman> gtg - bye!
[21:16] <Snomi> danielrichman...how about you
[21:16] <Snomi> what exams do you have tomorrow
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[21:18] <DanielRichman> Snomi, same as sbasuita
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[21:27] <sbasuita> *sigh*
[21:27] <sbasuita> night guys
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[21:45] <Laurenceb> hi
[21:46] <jcoxon> evening Laurenceb
[21:46] <Laurenceb> hi
[21:46] <Laurenceb> whats the problem with the alien projects phone?
[21:46] <Laurenceb> usb only?
[21:46] <jcoxon> it seems that the uart is emulated over serial
[21:47] <Laurenceb> ah right
[21:47] <Laurenceb> over usb you mean?
[21:48] <jcoxon> yeah
[21:48] <jcoxon> oops
[21:50] <Laurenceb> theres plently of phones with serial
[21:50] <Laurenceb> pinouts.ru should help, then ebay
[21:51] <Laurenceb> gold plating is hard to solder?
[21:51] <Laurenceb> I've soldered tons of times... using lead free
[21:52] <jcoxon> :)
[21:52] <jcoxon> a cable is a better approach in opinion
[21:52] <jcoxon> my*
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[21:57] <Laurenceb> I've used sony erocssons
[21:57] <Laurenceb> best to check pinouts.ru
[21:58] <Matt_APEX> what models?
[21:58] <Matt_APEX> i assume not hte usb ones?
[21:59] <Jon_APEX> do you know which ones defintely have serial?
[21:59] <Laurenceb> T68i
[22:00] <Jon_APEX> Z600 as well apparently
[22:01] <Jon_APEX> what baud rate are they normally?
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[22:34] <jcoxon> edmoore, get it working?
[22:36] <Laurenceb> 9600 IIRC
[22:36] <Laurenceb> anything with the same connect works
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