highaltitude.log.20090513

[00:00] <jcoxon> night all
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[00:02] <SpeedEvil> or you have a counter at teh end of the structure
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> that increments every time you read from the gps
[00:03] <SpeedEvil> so you check the value of that counter before and after read, and if after it differs, then the ISR has hit, and you need to reread
[00:03] <SpeedEvil> (unless I'm missing the issue you mean)
[00:06] <Laurenceb> you are
[00:06] <Laurenceb> sorry afk, soldering on ze i2c wire
[00:06] <SpeedEvil> k
[00:16] <Laurenceb> done :P
[00:17] <Laurenceb> so theres a buffer on the ublox
[00:17] <Laurenceb> I can use the i2c to read from it and find its size
[00:17] <Laurenceb> ublox is always a slave
[00:17] <Laurenceb> how do I use this efficiently?
[00:19] <Laurenceb> my idea was use a timer isr to read the i2c
[00:19] <Laurenceb> ^ explained above
[00:21] <Laurenceb> if I knew how fast the buffer was filled onboard the ublox I could probe the size then adjust the timer to track the front of the data
[00:21] <Laurenceb> kind of a dll
[00:27] <SpeedEvil> what's the data
[00:27] <SpeedEvil> position/... ?
[00:28] <SpeedEvil> prolly easiest to try it, and monitor
[00:28] <Laurenceb> pos, vel, satellites ect
[00:29] <Laurenceb> the buffer size may only be opdated after each packet
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> read it as fast as possible, and see what the output timings look like
[00:29] <SpeedEvil> does it have a 'I have data' pin?
[00:34] <Laurenceb> nope
[00:34] <Laurenceb> yeah I'll try that
[00:35] <Laurenceb> later...
[00:35] <Laurenceb> just reading datasheet
[00:35] <Laurenceb> hmm aparently vel limit is 600m/s
[00:35] <Laurenceb> so 600m/s or 50Km altitude
[00:35] <Laurenceb> not bad
[00:38] <SpeedEvil> Some I2C supports a slowdown mode
[00:39] <SpeedEvil> the slave modulates the masters cock by holding it low, letting it be variable rate according to the needs of the slave
[00:39] <SpeedEvil> but probably not supported
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[02:40] <Laurenceb> hmm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/8045422.stm
[02:41] <Laurenceb> Certificate in Preparation for Working Life exam <- wtf
[02:42] <SpeedEvil> missing the point.
[02:42] Action: SpeedEvil boggles at the insanity that is a 18 school leaving age
[02:44] <Laurenceb> hmm well they got some preperation
[02:45] <Laurenceb> http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/999/404mundoreal0438240.jpg
[03:28] <Laurenceb> i2c.h:7: warning: function declaration isnt a prototype <-- why?
[03:29] <Laurenceb> what could case that?
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[07:24] <jcoxon> morning all
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[07:54] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[07:56] <edmoore> good morning
[07:56] <edmoore> all well?
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[11:00] <edmoore> rjharrison: ping
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[12:04] <rhjharrison> Humm
[12:04] <rhjharrison> WX is looking dubious
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[13:12] <rhjharrison> Hi G8KHW
[13:13] <rhjharrison> You still on for tomorrow?
[13:23] <G8KHW> still considering it at the mo
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[13:24] <G8KHW> waiting for the next GFS model to hit Weather Underground
[13:24] <jcoxon> hey G8KHW
[13:26] <G8KHW> yo jcoxon
[13:26] <G8KHW> tomorrow is better than friday
[13:26] <jcoxon> oh right
[13:27] <G8KHW> the 6Z model is now on CUSF predictor - and friday has pushed further inland than the 0Z model
[13:28] <G8KHW> so I'm still in ponder mode
[13:28] <jcoxon> hmmmm, what sort of time tomorrow
[13:29] <jcoxon> rjharrison, ping
[13:32] <G8KHW> probably lunchtime
[13:32] <jcoxon> i think i'm going to postpone my launch, i want some nice reliable weather
[13:34] <G8KHW> does the weather underground site update with a 6Z model (I have only seen 12Z and 0Z)
[13:34] <G8KHW> ?
[13:36] <jcoxon> i'm not sure
[13:45] <jcoxon> we obviosuly haven't been doing enough sacrifices to the weather gos
[13:45] <jcoxon> gods*
[13:55] <G8KHW> yeah
[13:57] Action: G8KHW sharpens his Sacrificial Knife
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[15:25] <G8KHW> ha the 6Z model has finally got to weather underground
[15:26] <rhjharrison> lol
[15:26] <rhjharrison> you weather watcher you
[15:27] <G8KHW> its slightly worse :-(
[15:27] <rhjharrison> Arse
[15:27] <rhjharrison> Likely hood of launch?
[15:28] <G8KHW> still in ponder mode - but less likly tomorrow
[15:33] <rhjharrison> :-(
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[16:04] <jcoxon> afternoon edmoore_
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[17:40] <edmoore> ping herabot
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[17:45] <stilldavid> what's the popular barometric pressure sensor around here?
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[17:55] <sbasuita> herabot, hi!
[17:55] <sbasuita> =/
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> stilldavid: IIRC the sparkfun baro sensor was reportte ss working to lower than specced pressure
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> I'd search the wiki for barometric
[17:56] <sbasuita> herabot!
[17:56] <herabot> sbasuita!
[17:56] <sbasuita> : O
[17:57] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, let's play table tennis | * |
[17:57] <sbasuita> | * |
[17:57] <sbasuita> | *
[17:58] <sbasuita> | | *
[17:58] <sbasuita> winna
[17:58] <DanielRichman> erm
[17:58] <DanielRichman> no.
[17:58] <sbasuita> ; P
[17:58] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, the bot needs a quiz mode
[17:58] <stilldavid> SpeedEvil: good to know about the SF sensor, from what I could tell it would only give readings to 30k feet or so
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> I vaguely remember it - please don't believe me.
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> I'd say I was delirious, but this cold isn't that fun.
[18:00] Action: SpeedEvil wants orange elephants.
[18:01] <sbasuita> .wik south devon cattle
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> I do have one, but nothing to easily test it with.
[18:01] <herabot> "South Devon cattle, also known as Orange Elephants,[1]| are the largest of the British Native breeds." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Devon_cattle
[18:01] <sbasuita> hmm...
[18:01] <sbasuita> In our school, there is an ancient rule saying the head boy can bring a goat to school and graze it on the field or something
[18:02] <stilldavid> Hm. I might just use one out of sheer simplicity and no dev time for a breakout
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[19:11] <Laurenceb> looks like the weather is no good :-(
[19:11] <Laurenceb> maybe it'll change
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[19:16] <Laurenceb> hi edmoore
[19:16] <edmoore> hi Laurenceb
[19:17] <Laurenceb> weather looks poor for the weekend :-/
[19:17] <Laurenceb> it looked good yesterday... might just change again
[19:17] <DanielRichman> hmm. Time to restart the server and see if phenny comes back up automatically
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[19:17] <Laurenceb> I'm strugging to get i2c working on the ublox anyway :-(
[19:18] <Laurenceb> really odd... i2c doesnt want to work at all on my avrs
[19:18] <DanielRichman> Laurenceb, any idea why?
[19:18] <Laurenceb> something to do with gcc
[19:18] <DanielRichman> Got a handy Oscilloscope ;) ?
[19:18] <Laurenceb> before I was using gcc on windows
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[19:19] <DanielRichman> One minute to reboot. Getting slow :X
[19:19] <Laurenceb> on ubuntu it seems to be optimising in some strange way
[19:19] <DanielRichman> Even with -O flags?
[19:19] <Laurenceb> think so
[19:23] <DanielRichman> Weird... so It optimises strangly, goes out of order or something, then bad things happen to your I2C?
[19:23] <Laurenceb> hmm maybe not
[19:23] <Laurenceb> I just cant work it out
[19:24] <DanielRichman> I always hit this kind of problem when I try something new in AVR
[19:24] <Laurenceb> maybe I should just go back to windows
[19:24] <DanielRichman> Laurenceb, nooo!
[19:24] <Laurenceb> I've used the same code tons of times in windows without issue
[19:24] <DanielRichman> Are you on ubuntu?
[19:24] <Laurenceb> natrium42: about?
[19:24] <Laurenceb> yes
[19:24] <natrium42> sup?
[19:24] <DanielRichman> SO the version of gcc is relativly new... maybe that's the key?
[19:25] <Laurenceb> that i2c code I sent you, how did you compile?
[19:25] <Laurenceb> - for the atlantic halo board
[19:27] <natrium42> compiled fine
[19:27] <Laurenceb> what with?
[19:27] <natrium42> avr gcc
[19:28] <Laurenceb> on ubuntu?
[19:28] <natrium42> windows
[19:28] <Laurenceb> aha
[19:28] <Laurenceb> right thats it
[19:28] <natrium42> ?
[19:28] <Laurenceb> I'm going back to xp to try this
[19:29] <edmoore> i kind of miss xp
[19:29] <Laurenceb> avr-gcc.exe != avr-gcc on ubuntu
[19:29] Action: natrium42 uses win7
[19:29] <edmoore> used a great piece of software called svn monitor recently
[19:29] <Laurenceb> for a start the code size is way smaller with the xp version
[19:29] <edmoore> wish there was some kind of equivalent
[19:29] <DanielRichman> edmoore, what did it do?
[19:30] <edmoore> told you any time something happened in the repo
[19:30] <Laurenceb> like an alien invasion?
[19:30] <DanielRichman> it looks quite good
[19:30] <Laurenceb> zombie attack?
[19:30] <edmoore> lets you check out updates when they come in without changing your working copy
[19:31] <edmoore> i mean i'm pretty happy with cli but some kind of singing dancing free *nix quiv would be nice
[19:31] <Laurenceb> ooh hang on
[19:31] <Laurenceb> I could run avr-studio under wine
[19:32] <Laurenceb> not sure what compile it uses in that case...
[19:32] <Laurenceb> nah I'll just boot to windoze
[19:32] <Laurenceb> bye
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[19:32] <DanielRichman> edmoore, maybe you can get mono to run it? looks like C#
[19:32] <edmoore> naaaaaativity
[19:33] <edmoore> is nice
[19:33] <DanielRichman> edmoore, I totally agree. I refuse to install mono & java
[19:33] <edmoore> i am hacking away at matlab on osx now and it's just upsetting
[19:33] <edmoore> x11 clunky java crapiness
[19:33] <DanielRichman> I don't like python either.
[19:33] <DanielRichman> well
[19:33] <DanielRichman> python isn't TOOO bad, since it does compile to a bytecode of sorts
[19:33] <DanielRichman> but nothing beats C
[19:35] <edmoore> or using batterflies to create atmospheric lenses to focus cosmic rays onto hard disc platters
[19:35] <edmoore> nothing beats that
[19:36] <sbasuita> DanielRichman, dunno what you've got against python
[19:36] <sbasuita> such a nice language
[19:36] <sbasuita> c gives you too much hassle when you just want to get things done and have cpu to spare
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[19:37] <DanielRichman> sbasuita, sometimes it's better to do the job well than just hack together a clunky piece of bytecode... although, I DID say that python wasn't too bad
[19:37] <DanielRichman> ah. /afk
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[19:41] <Laurenceb> arggg
[19:41] <Laurenceb> windows has died
[19:41] <Laurenceb> goes into a reboot loop soon as I try to start it
[19:41] <sbasuita> ouch
[19:41] <Laurenceb> guess I'm stuck with ubuntu on here
[19:41] <sbasuita> Laurenceb, that happened to me once - i ran chkdsk and it magically fixed itself
[19:41] <Laurenceb> ok
[19:41] <Laurenceb> well I dont trust the hdd on here
[19:42] <Laurenceb> I desperatly need to replace it befor eit dies and I lose everything
[19:42] <sbasuita> i desperately need to start doing backups
[19:42] <sbasuita> over half ter
[19:42] <rcaron> spend $30 on newegg and get yourself a small drive
[19:42] <rcaron> or spend a $100 and get a TB
[19:42] <Laurenceb> having said that chkdsk doesnt pick anything up most of the time
[19:42] Action: sbasuita has a nice 1TB : )
[19:42] <Laurenceb> but windows is really glitchy
[19:42] <sbasuita> like 1% used
[19:42] <Laurenceb> always does a drive check on boot
[19:43] <Laurenceb> oh well... does anyone have avr-studio setup?
[19:43] <Laurenceb> and is able to compile a bit of code for me?
[19:43] <sbasuita> i wouldn't mind
[19:43] <sbasuita> but i don't have anything set up
[19:43] <Laurenceb> k just a sec
[19:44] <Laurenceb> ah
[19:44] <Laurenceb> its a right bitch to setup sometimes
[19:44] <Laurenceb> natrium42: do you have avr studio setup?
[19:44] <natrium42> yes
[19:44] <Laurenceb> any chance you could try compiling some code for me with it?
[19:45] <natrium42> ok
[19:46] <Laurenceb> can you see that or should I try email?
[19:46] <natrium42> email is better
[19:46] <natrium42> natrium at gmail
[19:46] <Laurenceb> k
[19:47] <Laurenceb> sent
[19:48] <Laurenceb> got it?
[19:54] <natrium42> yep, got it
[19:56] <Laurenceb> compiles?
[19:56] <natrium42> no, since you didn't include <avr.h> in files that use it
[19:57] <natrium42> :P
[19:57] <DanielRichman> gcc doesn't have avr.h
[19:57] <DanielRichman> pff
[19:57] <natrium42> hmm, wait
[19:57] <DanielRichman> that's probably the equivilant of avr/io.h?
[19:57] <natrium42> maybe i am wrong
[19:58] <Laurenceb> yeah I used avr/io
[19:58] <natrium42> ok, nvm
[19:58] <natrium42> now it can't find SVINFO_DATA
[19:59] <Laurenceb> hmf that shouldnt exist
[19:59] <natrium42> ideas?
[19:59] <natrium42> line 117 in ubx.c
[19:59] <Laurenceb> oh woops
[19:59] <natrium42> i will set it to 0 :P
[19:59] <Laurenceb> you need ubx_i2c.c
[19:59] <natrium42> it's there
[20:00] <Laurenceb> ubx_i2c.c and i2c.c are the two c files
[20:00] <Laurenceb> you need to add to the project
[20:00] <natrium42> they are added
[20:00] <Laurenceb> then headers you need are ubx.h and i2c.h
[20:00] <Laurenceb> there shouldnt be anything else in the project
[20:01] <natrium42> indeed
[20:01] <Laurenceb> ubx.c is using the uart alone
[20:02] <natrium42> multiple definitions of uart_putchar
[20:02] <Laurenceb> arg
[20:02] <natrium42> ...
[20:02] <natrium42> didn't you try compiling it?
[20:02] <DanielRichman> So much for C cross-platform-compatibility
[20:03] <Laurenceb> yes compiles fine here
[20:03] <Laurenceb> try using the makefile
[20:04] <natrium42> ok
[20:04] <natrium42> yep, that works
[20:05] <Laurenceb> cool
[20:05] <Laurenceb> how big is it?
[20:05] <natrium42> program 4306 bytes, data: 125 bytes
[20:06] <Laurenceb> interesting
[20:06] <natrium42> is it different?
[20:06] <Laurenceb> cool, anyway can you send me the hex?
[20:06] <Laurenceb> just a sec
[20:06] <natrium42> but i did replace SVINFO_DATA with 0
[20:06] <Laurenceb> in which file?
[20:07] <natrium42> ubx.c
[20:07] <Laurenceb> yeah its smaller than mine
[20:07] <Laurenceb> yeah ubx.c isnt compiled
[20:07] <natrium42> weird
[20:07] <Laurenceb> - in the makefile
[20:07] <natrium42> ah, ok
[20:07] <natrium42> i see
[20:07] <Laurenceb> I'm a little over 5KB
[20:08] <natrium42> file sent
[20:08] <Laurenceb> thanks
[20:08] <natrium42> np
[20:09] <Laurenceb> yeah yours is 2KB smaller
[20:09] <natrium42> so avr studio also builds if i remove ubx_i2c.c
[20:09] <Laurenceb> yet all my avr tools are bang up to date on ubuntu
[20:09] <natrium42> program: 2806, data: 125
[20:10] <Laurenceb> so weird
[20:10] <natrium42> :S
[20:10] <Laurenceb> oh well I'll use avr-studio in future
[20:10] <natrium42> do you want the avr studio hex file too?
[20:11] <Laurenceb> you justr sent me it
[20:11] <natrium42> no, that's from running make with your makefile
[20:11] <natrium42> avr studio gives program: 2806, data: 125, probably sets different optimization options than your makefile
[20:11] <Laurenceb> ah ok
[20:11] <Laurenceb> wow
[20:12] <Laurenceb> so thats compiling ubx_i2c and i2c.c ?
[20:12] <Laurenceb> yeah if you could send me that as well
[20:14] <natrium42> no, i removed ubc_i2c
[20:14] <natrium42> as it hd duplicate functions that made it not compile
[20:14] <natrium42> *had
[20:14] <natrium42> it's sent
[20:14] <Laurenceb> hmm
[20:14] <natrium42> ok, i am off for a while, later
[20:14] <Laurenceb> ok
[20:15] <Laurenceb> yeah ubx_i2c is the main code
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[20:21] <sbasuita> And the winner of "Most indecisive 2009" goes to...
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[20:39] Nick change: kingj -> KingJ
[20:40] <DanielRichman> KingJ, is your IRC broken or something? You constantly change your nick
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[21:29] <Laurenceb> hmm
[21:29] <Laurenceb> I think there may be a problem with ucenter
[21:30] <Laurenceb> it doesnt support device i2c adress setting
[21:30] <Laurenceb> and as a result may have programmed the address as 0x00
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[22:00] <Laurenceb> this is getting annoying
[22:00] <Laurenceb> its not accepting a new device address
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[22:11] <sbasuita> Genius: http://www.blogpirate.org/2009/05/10/pirate-bay-founder-crafts-distributed-denial-of-dollars-attack/
[22:20] <jcoxon> Laurenceb, im not going to launch this weekend
[22:20] <Laurenceb> yeah its windy
[22:20] <Laurenceb> I cant get the ublox working anyway
[22:20] <jcoxon> hopefully we'll have a weekend of no wind soon
[22:25] <Laurenceb> oh ffs
[22:25] <Laurenceb> think I'm getting endianess wrong
[22:26] <Laurenceb> so confusing
[22:26] <Laurenceb> basically I used ucenter to setup the ublox, and reflashed it
[22:26] <Laurenceb> but ublox cant handle the i2c hardware, so its all screwed up and I'm having to manually edit a load of hex to try and fix it
[22:28] <Laurenceb> s/ublox ucenter
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[22:30] <Snomi> O_o
[22:30] <Snomi> there be a few people here
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[22:31] <sbasuita> Snomi, this is IRC.... take 10% of the reported number of people, and that's how many may glance at their clients in the next 48 hours.
[22:32] <Snomi> yay
[22:33] <jcoxon> hi Snomi
[22:33] <Snomi> hey
[22:34] <Snomi> you alright?
[22:35] <jcoxon> yes thank you, welcome to #highaltitude
[22:36] <Snomi> thanks
[22:36] <Snomi> so do you know sbasuita?
[22:36] <Snomi> ^^^
[22:36] <jcoxon> indeed i know who he is
[22:37] <Snomi> ahah
[22:37] <Snomi> i go to his school..he told me to lurk around here for a bit
[22:37] <Snomi> >_>
[22:37] <Snomi> <_<
[22:37] <jcoxon> oh right
[22:37] <Snomi> so what do you do around here
[22:38] <Snomi> =/
[22:38] <Snomi> personally
[22:39] <jcoxon> occasionally fly high altitude helium balloons
[22:39] <Snomi> nice
[22:39] <Snomi> how did you get into that sort of stuff?
[22:41] <jcoxon> oh it was a while back - inspired by some people in the US - they have been launching for many years
[22:41] <Snomi> sbasuita said that there are a few people here from cambridge etc?
[22:43] <sbasuita> Snomi, jcoxon is cambridge
[22:43] <Snomi> thats what i was hinting at
[22:43] <Snomi> fool
[22:43] <sbasuita> Snomi, apologies
[22:43] <Snomi> :P
[22:43] <jcoxon> sbasuita, i'm not these days
[22:44] <Snomi> ahah
[22:44] <sbasuita> oh right
[22:44] <jcoxon> i graduated 2 years ago
[22:44] <sbasuita> london ?
[22:44] <jcoxon> yeah, Kings College London
[22:44] <Snomi> ooOOOooo
[22:44] <sbasuita> it all comes flooding back...
[22:44] <Snomi> i know some people that go there
[22:46] <sbasuita> So... channel activity for the _UK_HAS peaks at midnight..... http://ircbot.richmanwebsite.co.uk/pisg.html
[22:46] <jcoxon> sounds about right
[22:47] <sbasuita> what does that say?
[22:47] <jcoxon> its the cross over between people in the UK and US
[22:49] <sbasuita> Hmm. I thought most of the regulars here were uk
[22:49] <Laurenceb> oh yesss
[22:49] <Laurenceb> finally got it to respond over i2c
[22:49] <Snomi> wait
[22:49] <sbasuita> what was the problem?
[22:49] <Laurenceb> the address had got set to something screwy by ucenter
[22:49] <Snomi> are those stats on danrichmand's site?
[22:49] <jcoxon> sbasuita, they are
[22:49] <Laurenceb> then when I flashed it it messed up
[22:49] <sbasuita> Snomi, on his server
[22:50] <sbasuita> Snomi, worst domain name ever
[22:50] <Snomi> ok i g2g now
[22:50] <Snomi> cyas
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[22:52] <Laurenceb> rofl
[22:52] <Laurenceb> "ok... I need to do this properly"
[22:53] <Laurenceb> the quotes are genious
[22:53] <Laurenceb> "jcoxon's faithful follower, LaurenceB, didn't speak so much"
[22:53] <Laurenceb> lol
[22:54] <sbasuita> natrium42 is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 9 times.
[22:54] <Laurenceb> haha
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[23:28] <Laurenceb> looks like theres no data coming aout ofthe ublox i2c
[23:29] <Laurenceb> its just annoying at every level :(
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